The Large Professor Episode

Legendary rapper and producer Large Professor stops by to GBR and have a dynamic conversation about his early beginnings, Main Source, his works with Nas, getting his first check from Marley Marl, Geto Boys influence and much much more. Tune in to this amazing episode and comment in the socials listed below.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Get you know, boys, it's back and reoded all in
your mind. Yeah, and that deep throating. This is for
the streets, the reel, the railroading, the distant franchise, the
truth escape building. And they ain't know when we speak
the truth, so they ain't quoted because we wrote it.
The North South East coat is the g B my
twa keeping your head bobbing. It ain't no stopping and

(00:22):
wants to be drips head by And then the system
is so corrupt they throw the rock out of their
heads and then blame it on us. Don't get twisted
on code and me dancing for no buttament biscuits. It's
Willie d y'all scar faces in the building. Collectively we
are the ghetto Boys Reloaded, Reloaded with another episode of

(00:44):
information and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy,
beautiful world. And the studio large, Professor, appreciate your respect,
super respect that that we are sitting in the building

(01:06):
with with not only hip hop history, but hip hop royalty.
Bro Man, appreciate it. Appreciate it. Man, I'm just trying
to live up. Man, got a bunch of records in
the in the call right now, Man, Man, forever, man
doing it. We're still doing it, man. This is what
we do. What we do. You know what, Man, when

(01:27):
I when I think of you, when I look at you, man,
it's just would be tripping me out a lot, because
I know that we know who you are, we know
what you've done, we know your contributions. But you know,
you take the average blow, you know, out on the
street or whatever. They don't know, they don't understand the impact.
I got work to do. I got work to do.

(01:49):
We won't be here for it. Was that something that
you did. You did you intentionally like play playing low key,
you know, and not really trying to get all the
way after that, everybody know, yeah I did this, Yeah,
I did this, I did this, I did that. I
did this, I did that. I did that, Like you
did that. You did this, you did that, you did that. Yeah,

(02:09):
people don't even know. Yeah, you know, I think I
can attribute that to like just that industry thing. You know,
once you get in the industry, it started becoming you know,
like I was one of them dudes from that ever
where dudes thought they had to go up in the
office to get their music out there, you know what
I mean. That's one of the earlier days. So that

(02:32):
was my thing. But I think that was a thing
that kind of contributed to that where it was like,
all right, he's on this label and name promoting and
you know, so it wasn't me because I was trying
to stick my chest out as far as I could
with the music, you know what I mean, and put
it out there, MTV, whatever, whoever. You know, it wasn't
for them. But if y'all want offer the platform, we're

(02:54):
gonna rap. You know. That was my thing. So now
it's it's when I look at it in retrospect, I'm like, yo,
I don't know if the industry was meant for me,
you know what I'm saying. I don't know if it was.
I mean, it got me out there, It definitely got
me out there, but you know, I think that's what
that was. It was like a like an industry stigma

(03:14):
with you know, just the big corporations and the indies
and you know that kind of that was a real
turn off for me too. Man, when it came. You know,
at first making records, it was fun, man, you know
what I mean, it really it was, um, it was
it was an outlet for me. You know, free to
express however it was I felt that day. And as

(03:37):
time went on, the ship turned into a business that
turned into another business that's now totally different business. You
know what I mean. I'm like, bro, I don't really
want to be a part of this ship. Certain things,
you know, certain things we want to you know, we
we're like this right here, this is beautiful. You know
what I'm saying. All right, yo, ghetto boys and laws
pro kicking it like beautiful, man, like beautif. I'm glad

(04:00):
we hear you know what I'm saying. And but it's
just certain things that the industry board that you know,
I kind of shot away. So that might be what
it was like, because there was a lot of the
industry stuff. I was like, that ain't for me. Right there,
I'm I'm gonna do. I got the records in the car.
I'm ready for the turntables. I'm ready to get busy
in a sense, man, in a sense like like our music,

(04:22):
like music is now like an n F T. Bro,
because you can't you can't touch it no more, you
know what I mean. At first we have CDs. Uh,
you can open the ship up. You can read the creatives. Man,
you can actually physically touch the product, man, But now
it's like you can't tell. It's just in the atmosphere,
in the air of the cloud, you know, things like yeah,
and it caused less than the penity hit this dude ship. Yeah,

(04:47):
Like that's a fucking that. That's a disgrace to humanity
in my opinion when it comes to the music, bro.
That's why we had in these streets. Man. We was
out there in Austen last night. Yo, um discovered the
this girl was spitting last night. I'm in there cutting
the records up. We're doing it like original recipe, favor staff.
You know what I'm saying, Get busy, I'm cutting the

(05:08):
records up. I got the forty five. I opened the
mic up, like, yo, who get busy. This girl took
flight this other dude Like so that's where you know.
And so once I revisited that, I was like, right,
this is what I always want, you know, just the
party's going out to Germany with these people, you know,
where it's a community man like that. We were out

(05:31):
here now like we it's not them corporations, it's it's us.
So that's what I was. I think I was waiting
for that like, so we're here now and it's good.
We tend to rolls up, you know, doing doing what
we gotta do. Take hippop back. Is that kind of
like going in full circle? Man, when you think about
where you started in Queen's New York, absolutely all were

(05:53):
doing it and it wasn't really about corporations and money.
It was for the love of the art and just
who got the busy is you know, you gotta you
gotta remember I grew up in Flushing. That's over there
by the globe, by the tennis courts and all of
that where they do um the tennis you know tournaments.
Then now right across the bridge is like Eric being

(06:14):
rock Kim Kid and playing all of them. So you know,
it's it's it's like, it's it's these people. It was
like right there, like I could go down the block
and see Herbie love Bug count out stacks in front
of the mall type ship with that red that same
red ship that he had on and adding a heavy
D video that red that red whip he had. He

(06:34):
had that ship down the block from me. So I'm
seeing that video called I'm like, man, like, so you
want to do it big? You know, and I was
more reliant on my skills, not on my marketing or nothing.
I was like, yo, I know if I chopped this,
oh man, we're gonna get him. Man. You hit that
ship then, my man. And they're like, yeah, oh ship,
how you get that ship like that? Then we're like, yeah,

(06:56):
we're gonna get So I was more relying on my skills.
And we know, industry ain't about skills. They're about ma
and y'all brothers, y'all took to you know, y'all took
the reins, you know what I'm saying. Like we in
New York, we was more like, yo, go out to
the city real quick, you know, get with these people
like the south Board that shipped to the game big time. Like, Yo,

(07:19):
we're taking this ship in our own hands and blasting it.
We had to. We did it out of necessity because
nobody wanted right now from New York to see. That's
what it was. Y'all was going up to New York
and it was and it was kind of the same
for us. So I'm just glad to be, you know,
like doing it how we're doing it. I'm glad that,

(07:40):
you know, I did what I did in the industry,
and now the proceeds have me in a position where
I could go out here and spread love to the
hip hop community how we're supposed to and build it
strong where we you know, just the arts and everybody
making money, you know, getting busy. So you know, yeah,
I definitely all the way back. Man. I want to

(08:01):
know who raised you? Oh man, Man, it was a
whole community, man, Like I was born in hallm uh
who raised me was my mother and father, you know
what I'm saying. Mother, I always thought she was she
was born in Queens, but you were born in Hallan
born in Ham. Yeah. My moms and pops they was

(08:22):
they was living in Queens and they just so happened
to be in Halem when you know she went in
the labor But her mother, my grandmother, she lived in
the building that Big Els standing in front of on
his album cover DA. So that's Grandma's house right there
with Big Ell of standing. That's grandma's house. You know.

(08:42):
That's where I was going back and forth from Flushing
to uptown and so like you you know what I'm saying.
But I had more close you know, proximity. Yo. We
was good, Like I always getting my uptown you know,
my original because my mom was just from Uptown, my
pops from Virginia. So you know, it was that dynamic.
You know, I had the sassy my mom's ain't you know,

(09:04):
like maybe your moms maybe you'll you know what I mean.
Where it was just like, yo, it ain't no joke,
you know what I mean for real, she put it down.
And you know, I think I am who I am
a lot because of her and my pops. You know,
I got a smooth side to that. My pops are smooth.
He put a lot of people, like a lot of
people like he was a messenger dispatcher and so like

(09:25):
you know, you'd be chilling in the projects. He did
his thing, you know, smoke a little weed, drink all
that type ship and you know a lot of like
my man l E. S who produced produced on like
you know, he used to you know, like my pops
used to be in the projects like you know, and
dudes giving dudes jobs and things like that with the
messenger dispatching, you know, things like that. So it was

(09:48):
it was cool because I was always like in the
communities where I was supposed to be at, like I
was catching Paul jams, because Flushing ain't really like the hood.
Hood is hood. You know. We got the Globe, we
got the tennis tournament and all that, you know, city field,
you know, and all that so and this diverse, but
it ain't like the most hood hood place. But it

(10:09):
got it hood. It has its hood elements. But I
was still like, we got the Bland projects. That's where
my man black sheep dress is from. Hell of a
golfer too, exactly. So his, his father and my father
used to hang out back in the days, what I'm saying,
and they had us like together, we're growing up. We're
here in the park jams and all of that, you know.

(10:31):
So it was a community kind of thing, man. But
I mean Grandma's grandpops like I had. And now I'm
even learning more because I thought I came from a
small family, but now I'm learning more. Man. And the
people's out in Virginia. Man very prestigious man, very prestigious
man for real. So you've got siblings I had. I

(10:51):
had an older system man twelve years older than me,
and it was like Tom and Jerry like it. My
my I think my my sticking my chest out is
a lot because of her, you know what I mean,
like she she it wasn't no joke, like you know,
she raised me kind of like a pitbull almost like
it was like because she was like my second mother

(11:14):
a little bit, you know. And after a while, after all,
you know, I was able to withstand when she was
sending at me. You know, I mean, I'm going out
there now, I'm conquering you know, the streets like Nicks
can't tell me, you know, I'm I'm ready. So you know,
after a while, man, you know, shout out to my
sister Nina. Her name was Lofty times lofty times crazy crazy.

(11:41):
My sister used to be shout out to calin man crazy.
I was. I was like, will you you your sister
beat you man? My sister beat anybody I see. I
see my sister kicked. I see my sister kick this
dude in his face. I came, I was like, yo,
she so was that ever? That was that ever? You

(12:02):
know what I mean, liked that was that ever where
where the sisters was just as I mean, they still
got him, you know, because Megan the Stallion, I don't know,
you know what I mean, Like, I don't know if
you want to around, you know, what exactly, So you
know they're still around, but at that time there was
a lot more prevalent and it was like, no, I

(12:22):
know a few still to this day that who you know,
it's a problem and ship, but they they beautiful women
to this day. But question what, um, at what point
in your life did you just fall in love with
hip hop? Like I love you like that? When did
you say that to hip hop? Like yeah, when I

(12:42):
you know, it was one thing. I'm just saying, I
love that. I mean, that's that's that's how you know
about this ship? I love. I love the game, man,
I love, but I don't like that. I'm melting for man,
because when it comes to music, bro, and putting uh

(13:04):
instruments where they go, not cluttering this ship up, putting
them where they go. Man, you know, like it's it's
it's it's a beautiful thing, bro. It's almost it's probably
the piece of as saying. I'm telling you, man, you made.
I was watching Hawaii five Oh in my studio and

(13:30):
I did a song for the product and the song
was called shoot. I can't even remember the name of it.
I don't remember, but I'll snap back to me. But
it had that Hawaii five. Oh, vibe to it. Man,
It's crazy how you can be watching some ship no
sound but just vibe, man, just the vibe man, na

(13:51):
na it was it was Hawaifi five. I don't know.
I didn't have a sound on. I just had the
very yours. Well, y'all know that that fat Joe loop
gotta flow Joe, that's her life. Yeah, shout out the
diamond D. That's right there. But man, when when when

(14:14):
did that? Like? Oh man, well, I think I think
for all of us, probably it happened even before hipcom
you know what I'm saying, Like because Marvin Gaye all
of that. You know, I'm like Tupac like Yo, I
was rocking. I was rocking all of that. I loved
all of that. So when hip hop came, it was
like the Because I always try to explain to people
like for hip hop with us like me, you know,

(14:36):
Fisher Price turntables and a like Records was like toys
to us. So now when hip hop came around, like
remember the Fisher Price turn I mean for real, like
for real, you know. But so when hip hop came around,
it's like, oh man, that's that like that, you know,
we're touching the record and we're moving to you know,
that kind of thing. And it was like you here

(14:59):
a grand Master Flash record, and then that you're going
your parents records and here the record that they use,
and it's like, oh, that's what they're doing, like okay,
Like and then now you get out there and start
getting with the you know, the elders like my man
and the b X, my man, Sergeant Laying Funk. He
used to put me on the Mad records like and

(15:19):
get me the stores to go get you know. So
it was just that that community thing, man, And and
you have different versions of it. Some people getting you know,
they fall in love with hin themself talk all day
and fucking wrapped two people all day they you know,
and really we all got some ship to say, though,

(15:40):
he got some ship to say. Y'all better listen every
time that man speak, both of them for real. So
I mean, you know, it was just basically that man.
It was like, you know, and and because it was
the birthplace, you know, I'm going uptown. I'm getting the
real uptown flavor and coming back to Queens, which is
a little bit more I would it's more a little

(16:06):
more sophisticated you know what I mean, Like you could
hear some R and B ship uh linked up with
some hip hop vocals like a blending that was the
Queen style and like it was. It was just so
you had them two different worlds together and I was like, yeah, no,
this is for me. And then as a hip hop kid,

(16:27):
breaking drunk graffiti all of that, I went through all
the channels, you know what I mean. So it was like,
you know, we were here with it. You know, this
is what we're doing. All right, I'm with it, So
check this out. When when? When when did the cuts
and scratches come about? Because to me and for me,

(16:48):
when I heard Herbie Hancock due Rocket, you know, that's
the you know what I mean? And then and then
the the Hungry like a Wolf was I think the
first sample was the first, like it was something yeah,
yeah from Duran durand you can't mention music. No, Now
we didn't talk. I don't know, We're gonna talk a

(17:09):
little bit, but yeah, I think that was the first
sample really on the record. Really word but yeah, the
Herbie Handcock I think was the first because that's when
I heard it. Yeah, it could could be, but I
think definitely sugar hell in them was kind of putting it.
They were the backspinning it, you know what I mean,
Like when when when when we got homework, I'm gonna

(17:32):
do the home. Let me respond respond with that fact
the rappers did Light? Was that a backspin? Was that
a sample? Now? That was a band? Really? Yeah? Rappers
Delight was a band. Sylvia and them had the band
up in that. The message was a band. Oh, I
know that was a drum machine and dudes, you know, like, yeah,
that was a drum machine and dudes playing, you know,

(17:52):
but yeah, no, that was damn it man. Yeah, and
I'm thinking that that was a Curtis Blow was an
incredible producer as well and sing in sane. You know
you already know, man, Curtis Blow had one of my
favorite rap songs ever, way back West, from away back East,

(18:14):
coming from the place you'd expect the least that came
a stranger, just the black from a hall of town
a long way back like Curtis Blow. Man, YO, give
me all that job about things you wrote before a
live three. Now I'm the guy named Curtis Blow. And

(18:34):
Christmas is one thing I know, so every year, just
about this time, I celebrate it ware the rhyme doing
crazy like so you know it's coming coming from Curtis,
Thank you, Curtis blown like mod and insane inspirations for

(18:55):
me man. So you know, just hearing them guys like
hearing their palk tapes, hearing s Ricks park tapes, like
you know those tapes used to circulate like records. Was
do you have like early records from Slick Rick before
he got with Douggete Fresh, No, they were the park tapes,
him and him and him and Doug like out there
like in parks, you know what I'm saying, getting busy.

(19:17):
So that was our culture before records. It was like
you would have like the uh, the cold crushed Forward
tape with them doing her over, you know, the Billy
Joel stiletto, you know, and they got routines like things
that are record ready, but they just doing it in
the park like they're treating it like a whole show,

(19:37):
you know, and you getting it on tape. It's like
that so crazy, so crazy that you know, just the
ingenuity and the thought that went into that, like that's
something from nothing thing that now we're sitting here, you know,
it's worldwide. I swear. We go all over the world
and there's a community, there's a hip hop community that's there.

(20:00):
I just went we was in Cologne, Germany. I went
to a fifty cent show out there, arena packed, packed packed,
they know the words everything. I'm like hip hop man,
it started. It started in New York bro and and
and and everybody speaks the language. Everybody speaks the hip

(20:22):
hop language. And that's that's probably the most beautiful thing
about that art man. Everybody around the world speaks And
that's that's why I always say my man m c
shan is a prophet because he made the song living
in the World of hip Hop, and he said that,
he said all all the things that we're doing right now,

(20:43):
he said that, he said, we're gonna be living in
the world of hip hop and that's where we at. Man, Like,
that's the coolest ship you could be as someone who
hip hop. Like, you know, either your friend you ain't
gotta be hip hop, but you know you you got
a friend that you know and you know you know
Wouchane clan, you better know whoch clan. Yeah. Yeah, So

(21:04):
it's it's you know, if you want to get a
you know, more go down the rabbit hole and find
the rest of that. You know. That's what you know.
Everybody know a little something to that. It got a
new it got in the windows, see through the events
when um you're being from Queen's Rock San Sean take

(21:25):
Queens And I got a chance to actually check out
her um movie on Netflix and like Roxane started a
whole lot of ship in Queens when it came to
hip hop. Absolutely she was on the front line. Shout
to her and and then Nas tell me about the

(21:47):
Nas encounter man, So Nas Nas Nas cool brother from
queens Bridge, My man Joe Fatal, I know on him,
And Flushing says five five years old, Like we was
like you know, we was out and rocked the bells
when him Fader was in there, and yeah, so Fader
was in there. So I know him since five years old.

(22:09):
Every something happened where he moved away for a while,
then like high school days, he just popped back up
and now he's this long island city Queensbridge dude. And
I'm like, oh, ship, damn, I ain't seen you in
the wild, Like you're like, yo, I know, g rap
I know that's when I know that one and I
was already kind of making beats, so he's like, Yo,
bring yo, come to this party. Come there. Uh. So

(22:31):
he started connecting the dots. Then one day he was like, Yo,
I got this dude, Yo, he's mad nights, I'm telling you,
you know, because I was reluctant with like I was
ready to go, like I was already kind of working
with g rap so I ain't want hit none of
these sub level you know what I mean, Like I'm
like dogs, like were you He's all right, man, all right,
I'm gonna do this with you. Like and so this

(22:53):
was nas you know what I'm saying. We went out
to Coney Island. We took a damn a system cab
Like I don't knew you. We used to have cabs
that used to have the crazy system like y'all had
to damn your own car and ship. But we used
to call a cab and get that had a system
and ship you know, he's Latin brother or whatever and
ship goose neck ship all that, you know, I mean

(23:15):
back in the days e Q all that bang. That's
how we got faking the funk popping and ship because
we used to ride around the system cab with that
going to the weed spots and ship like that. Just
listening to that ship blasting, like yo, it's gonna be
a record, you know. So we took the System cab
out to Coney Island. That ship. I know that ship,
I don't. I didn't know then, but I know that
she was a grip because that's miles and miles. So

(23:38):
we did that, went to this studio named Staring the Sky.
I made the beat on site and he said the
rhymes right there, my man. Where was there a few
other people? My man rage um yeah rail um yo.
So and I was like when I first had and
after that, I like I said, I was already working

(23:58):
with g Rap. So we was like Queensbridge and Power
Place Studios. I got some great stories for y'all two
about like you know, some of the origins. But um,
if that involved y'all, you know what I'm saying. Uh So,
Queen's Bridge is right there and then the studios right there.
So like late night, if Rock Kilmer g Rap wasn't
coming in, I'll be like, yo, the studio is open,

(24:22):
come through. You know. After that first session I established
with him, I'm like, yo, we're gonna work again. And
so I would be in the lab and I'll be like, yo,
come through. The lab is open, and be like two
or three in the morning. His mom's pick up the phone.
I'll be like, you know ms Jones. She'd be like, oh,
I'm gonna get him up boom and be like yo, yo,
come up the block right now. Labs open. So you

(24:44):
know he was He met me halfway with that, and
that's why he is where he is now at this
at this time, nas is what seventeen, Absolutely, something like seventeen.
What was the live at the Barbecue the first song
that you recorded with him that that was from the
Breaking Adams album. Absolutely? Absolutely, yes, sir, Yeah, now wet

(25:10):
we had love, man, we had love. We didn't do
many many shows, but we did do a show in
Houston and we had love out here. It was packed.
It wasn't like a strip mold kind of spot that
it was. It was like a corner spot. He was
at the Ryan Stone Wrangler or the Thunderdome or something
like that. What was it ull It was nice. It

(25:34):
was like a grocery exactly, and it was but it
was the corner joint like it was in the corner here.
It was packed. It was packed, and they in that
front door joint was they joint? That was they joined.
They was cool with the other ones. But they in
barbe Q two where you heard a seventeen year old
Nas speaking on that track, what's your first impression? Well,

(25:56):
I already knew he was ill and out of the ordinary,
because you know, you're here dudes rhyme cat and Hat.
You know, he's like cat and arafat, you know what
I mean? Like that You're like, oh, okay, you know
what I mean. So I already knew it was. It
was just like what is he gonna say now? That
kind of thing, because we had a couple of renditions
of the song that were trying to get together. But

(26:18):
then when we was like it was go time, it
was like and so when we heard it, it was
you know, he delivered, man, it was it was I
think Nas may have. I mean, because there are a
couple of people all this earlier that have, but I
think he kind of re rejuvenated, like shock rap, like

(26:40):
that ship that's like what did that nigga say? Yeah,
like what huh? Let me bring that back? Like I
think after that, like eminem kind of you know what
I'm saying kind of follow suit with like a lot
of shock rap, like just ship that shocked you that
the Nickel would say on the mic. You're like, huh,
let me rewind that what I'm saying. And then it

(27:00):
becomes a norm. No, now it's like the norm. It's
like now that ain't shock rap no more. That's just
the norm. That's just how we're speaking now. So it's
a beautiful thing man, that you know he had he
had a lot of you know, and then I didn't
know as much about his father, but but he had
a legacy exactly, so he already had that in his bloodline.

(27:22):
So you know, he just applied it to wrap you know,
which is a beautiful you know, and that's why he
is with no much success world? How did how did
you foster that relationship with man? So it's that was
a high school thing. That was like kids getting busy.
I still got that spirit too, you know you hear me, Man,
I'm like, yeall got the records in the car, like
where's the turntables? Like that was my thing. So after

(27:43):
school we jet over their house or whatever. You know.
Their moms was like really, I mean I had my turntables.
I had my things, but you know, we jet over
their house. You know, their moms was like really like
in the beginning, she was really inviting, really supportive, like no, yo,
y'all come over here, y'all do your work and I
want to hear it, and you know that kind of thing.

(28:05):
So you know, I'll go over there and after schools.
It's funny because Shae Stadium City Field, like where I
was working, they their their window looked straight at City Field, like,
you know, because that's the Flushing Corona area right there,
Like g rappers right there, Corona, like all of them.
So it was that it was just a lot of

(28:27):
good vibes and you know, things going on. So we
was able to like put it out there to the
world musically and ship. But it was like a high
school thing. No dudes just getting up after high school
on some wrap, watch the watch the videos. You know
what I'm saying, Do a little scratch and take some
flicks for the chicks. You know that type of thing.

(28:50):
Man did I man yo during those times. And and
I'll tell you one thing, man, while we were recording
Wanted Dead or Alive, I listened to a lot of
ghetto boys. Bro really and g Wraps call word up man,

(29:12):
like we was listening to y'all. We was listening to
y'all and to que because I always remember the line
because I always said I want to use that ship
as a scratch. And I think it was Bill God
bless Yo. I think he was like, some of y'all
niggas are bitches too. I wrote that. Well he did
right there, I said, will I know? I said, Bill, Yeah, Bill.

(29:36):
Bill said it sounds like, yo, that ship that one line,
some of you niggas are bitches too, Yo that ship
something about that one. And g Rap used to play
that album and for and that one line used always
like and I was like, Yo, now these brothers is

(29:58):
ill and que. He listened to a lot of Cube
while we was McCoy and word ice Cube is a
class act too, man. So g Rap and I got
to hanging out in New York um and we became
tight man. And he was like a big gass influence,

(30:18):
you know what I mean, from from listening to uh,
you should stand on the block, selling cooked up rocks,
busting out my socks and a really good clock. That
was all kind of things, bringing Jackison, jeans, magazines, anything
just hustle of being he was. He was what I
had was bad from my shoes to and the first

(30:39):
time in my life, dadrazy man, I love it man,
It's yeah, I love it, bro. Yeah, you work with Molly, yo.
Molly gave me my first check, you know. Molly gave
me my first check for doing the stuff I did.
Uh gave me my friends. Not to cut you off, man,

(30:59):
but only game my first check on production. You know, man,
One thing that I've been hearing about Marley I never met.
I don't think I haven't met Molly. But one thing
I always hear about him is that you're afraid to
break bread. Oh no, because his his cup runneth over.
Like you know why. You know why, because Molly got
the motherfucking skills. Molly got them skills. Molly touched the

(31:24):
fucking machine and this money every fucking time. Man, Molly
got them skills. And like me, like he gets busy, man,
Molly just be dj and for nothing, just getting busy.
And that's that spirit. So his cup gonna running over
for forever. So it ain't nothing for that man to get,
you know, lose something something though for this because his

(31:45):
cup gonna he got them skills. That's that's why I
want following that. He's like, YO, any year, any time,
like Yo, what you got? You know, they won't hit
me with the O G ship now, they won't hit
me with now and all that ship. But when they're like,
oh ship, you know, we want to pull me to
the side now like oh shine you know, and things

(32:07):
like that. So you know we're still standing. Man, I
didn't think this. I never foresaw this time frame happening
where it's like you're gonna be doing this and be
this person in this, you know. So now I'm just
kind of standing up like for like, I just want
us to always be able to party New York style,

(32:27):
like Park style, have some records. You know what I'm saying,
like get funky, if face more, if well won't pick
up the mike. Absolutely I will always encourage that. You
know what I'm saying that just drop a gem on him,
break out, you know what I'm saying, jump in the
fly ship. You know what I'm saying. Practice I might
have practiced, but will yeah, I'm sure. But that that's

(32:48):
that's that's where you know, like last night in Austin,
it was that kind of thing and it pleads my heart.
Ain't nobody know what nobody was gonna say, even though
you know we did the show ed O g was
dead big up. That's my dog right now. So you know,
he puts some gems out there, you know. So that's
where I think us as artists, like you know, we

(33:10):
we want to give him. You know, we won't give
him that like I we got the arenas we got,
but we won't give him that that that Marvin Gay cover,
Marvin Gay cover, the uh I want you to cover
with all the people dancing and ship like that and
it's the boarding ship and yeah, that's what we want,
you know. Was l L was l L already big

(33:31):
at that time. He was huge. He was already big.
Huhvous as that to be nineties the nineties nineties, it
was already no, oh yeah, L was that was had
ninety aready No I'm talking. I'm talking about this is

(33:53):
where I'm at right now. He shout out, my man
shot to page. I'll sitting in the call with my
man shot you page. He played me some old Paul
jam sh l Tennis niggaup damn oh l Tenny. I'm like,
oh ship, I had to jump on Instagram and I

(34:15):
didn't know what he posted or nothing. I'm just like, yo,
I heard this tape L like YO had to comment, man, yo,
not L being a beast man like shout out Dr Butcher,
like all Original Crew, Royal Rich, all of them, man
like Mikey d all of them dudes. Man, L been
a beast man and he just took the reins early
man like he he'd been a beast on the microphone

(34:37):
man like from one man. Yeahah, when I heard that
Paul jam ship, that was solidified, because you know, you
want to hear that. That's why I'm like, I feel
like I gotta do you know. I kind of went
straight to doing records and ship. It was like, Yo,
we're your Paul Jam m looms and ship like that,
like so you know, I gotta get that in now,
Like Yo, we're doing it, but we're doing it big,
you know, so I do it like that. But L

(34:58):
like when I heard that Paul Jam ship, I was like, man,
so that's some ship that never made that nowhere. Now.
I was that was streaked ship that you know, dudes
just got circulating around and I was like, man, yeah,
not sat you page. We were good. And then there's
there's my man. I can't think of his name right now,
but he's the tape master. He got all that ship man,
all of them a little like Bis and Red Man

(35:21):
a Farmers and all that. Yeah, we're much love to
be hell too. Absolutely man Funky is held like I
gotta beat from U Biz before he left, and I
want to record it. But this is this is big

(35:42):
with me because Biz Biz always like Bis business like
so Biz always. He said, like, Yo, I'm the one
that brought you out, like because you know I met
Bi my, my my mentor, my mentor, Paul C. He
let me his drum machine for like two weeks. He
was he was, he was already he was working with Latifa,

(36:02):
he was working with Ultramagnetic. Yes, yes, sir. So he
lent me the sp and I'll beat it out for
like two weeks. He came back, got the machine. He
was like, Yo, let me let me slide with these disks.
You know, like I ain't got no machine, but you
know he's taking the machine, so like, yo, let me
slide with you this No but no, but I ain't

(36:26):
got no machine no more because he's taking that ship back.
He lent it to me. So he's taking it back
now and he's like, yo, let me take the dish too.
So he got back to the studio. He plays the
beat for bids. He played one of my beats for bits.
It was just Bob Mauley joint. I had um um
the uh the um. It's funny because you pulled up.

(36:47):
So it was the Bob Mauley was the joint called Uh,
I don't know if it was cornerstone. Yeah, the the
cornerstone joint. Uh. The builder will be the head cone.
The stone that the build a refuse will always be
the head cornerstone. Man, I need to hear that. It's

(37:11):
hell yeah, the stone that we're using the boomdocks right,
the stonege the head cornerstone. That's the Bob Marley joints.
It may you know have earlier, but um, yeah, it
was the Ball Mauley joint and bars. You know. My
man Paul called me. He was like, Yo, come to

(37:31):
the studio right now. Man. I'm like, all right, boom
to get on the bus and should I had to
walk man oh types of ship. It was crazy went
there is right there? Yo, you made that Bess just
funcky y'all listen to what we listen to what we
and they was working on fucking just a Friend. He
played me just a friend that day he played me

(37:53):
the mud for ship, all that ship. So I was
like inducted. I was like, oh shoot, I'm saying with busy.
They asking me how I feel about the ship and everything.
They're like, how you like that? I'm like, no, that's
that's ill. So I'm like, you know, got Chelsea do?
And after that he's like, yo, how you get old?
I'm like, get on the bus. He's like, now, come
with me. Man getting a small gray maximum and she

(38:14):
got the fucking system is going crazy all through the street.
People like this. But we go to the Colosseum. They
got the shirt kings downstairs, everybody bis been. He takes
me back the flushing and ship everybody, Yo, who ship?
He come upstairs? Meet my Mom's the whole man. It
was crazy man. Bears Man, God, bless you bear Man,

(38:35):
love you man. This man before we go to let's
go back to policy possi. Uh it's this little known
genius people that no no right. Paul worked with a
lot of artists from back in the gap, and but

(38:55):
he meant an early demise. Uh what was Paul I?
Twenty four years old and he died under tragic circumstances?
Did they ever find out, you know, why he was killed?
But they didn't. They arrest somebody they had. He was
actually one of the episodes of America's Most Want It

(39:18):
was actually New York Most Wanted. It was New York's
Most Wanted. Man. I wish, man, I wish, you know,
just you know, they're they're speculations of suspects and you know,
but I think somebody did. I don't know, but it's
just like they made they made I know they heard
that they made a couple of arrests, and I don't

(39:40):
know whatever happened to it because it just was not
something that was that was put out there to begin with, right, Yeah,
but that was tragic. Man. I would really like to
see what he was, yeah, man, and and so gifted,
and he was working with a lot of people, he
was doing a lot and so unique to be a
dude doing this, man, and to be so funky man

(40:03):
like it was it was like man like, you know,
it was almost I don't know, man, I don't want
to say nothing spiritually, man, but you know, God blessed man,
my man Paul, So I have a production company to
this day. I dedicated to him poule C Productions instead
of the letter C is S E A because we

(40:24):
both liked, uh, we liked Alan Toussaint and Marshall C. Horn,
the producers for the Meters, and that was a black
dude and a white dude, you know, working together. So
I made it Paul C s E A because Marshall C.
Horn and Allan Toussaint always did funny ways with their

(40:44):
publishing companies or what is to C C two and
things like that, So I did Paul C. You know,
from a production company man too, And now we're here
with Mad Productions man, and um it's all under poll C.
So definitely they were questioning a lot of people, I know,
they they questioned a whole lot of people from it.

(41:06):
They they, I mean, they really was seeing I ain't.
I think that was probably the most investigated. The big,
big Big. Maybe the big Big might be more big Big,
might be a little bit more. I mean, but damn
they ain't. They still ain't come up with nothing for
neither one of them. I think the big thing was
more like Yo, let's just do this because let's put

(41:27):
our name in the book so I can write this
book or whatever. I don't think they were ever serious
about trying to starve a big murder, because if they
wanted to, they would have done it, the same thing
with Pop they wanted to, they could have done it. Yeah,
they can find a man and a whole clear across
the globe exact, could have found out who did that
in the desert exactly what you know with that yellow

(41:48):
journalism man, Ever since I learned that term man, man,
that's when they just put the paper out and they
just tell you whatever the funk they want to tell you,
and you don't know fucking ben Loud and even really
exists and ship like that. Like I'm serious, man, I'm
I've been skeptical of all of that ship man since

(42:08):
ever since I learned that learned that term though. It's like,
I don't, I don't mess with that ship man, I don't,
I know you, you know you, But you got a
nice radar on all of that, man, So you could
speak on it, man, and my man Lord j to
Lord Jamal, he he'd be speaking on it, you know
a lot. So look absolutely so you know it's it's

(42:30):
a beautiful thing. We need brothers like y'all, you know
what I'm saying. And then after y'all get that lesson
and should come get that musical blessing you know me,
and then you know we're gonna think, Yo, all of that. Man,
just get busy, man, like we wortered this earth. Man,
this is our ship. Man, like Swan said, this is
for us. You know about dot Com named you as

(42:52):
the number thirteen produce it in hip hop history? Wowte best. Uh.
Now that's on a list of top and then the
greater list. That's halfway almost, that's almost halfway and that's
the greater list. Is like everybody right, Uh, what do
you think about that on it? Or? Is it an

(43:13):
honor to year? Yes? I don't mean it's cool just
to even be on the list, man, And to you know,
I took this likeness, this name laws professor, you know,
sticking my chest out, you know, talking that ship on
the mic and all of that ship and put it
out here in the world. And now it's on the
list somewhere. So yo, man, I I'm I'm with it. Man.

(43:34):
Anybody on that list you think you should be a
hit of mad dudes mad that's that's that's really popping.
But look, man, we got we got we got the list.
Let's go to about dot com uh best hip hop producers.

(43:55):
So I mean you've got different categories of it though,
so and I'm accepting of that. Is that you know,
you got boomed back, you got trapped, draill all of that.
So I played my part man on the you know,
on the boom back failed fore front, and I'm like, yo,
we're good, man, Like just started from you know, started

(44:17):
from the bottom. Now we're here, yeah for real, man,
Like this is being tape recorded. Man, people are gonna
see this, man Like, that's what we wanted, you know,
just to put our likeness out there and the art man.
So I'm I'm grateful not not to be labor the point,
but I really want to know how you feel, you know,

(44:40):
about your status in the game with all that you
brought to the game. I really want to know how
you feel, like deep ones side, how you really feel
political career. Absolutely, you want to know really how you
feel somebody who's given so much right. I feel excited
because I've always been like now I need to put

(45:02):
in more work I need to put in more work,
like I need to put in more work. And now,
you know, I mean, I don't know if it's too
you know, I don't know what's going on. But I
now feel like, all right, all right, And I've been
saying that a lot lately to people, the work is in,
the work is in. I've been saying that a lot lately.
I've been saying stay close, and the work is in

(45:23):
a lot lately. But yeah, the work is in. And
so I feel good, man, because the community now is
not and it's it's not an industry community. It's just
a natural like the Internet, technology has it fun. The
industry shipped up, you know, the industry had a hold

(45:44):
on like oh no, you can't, you know, And it's
like the Internet just like now you're gonna see whatever
you're interested in and if you if that man get
his you know, ship popping like that, and you're gonna
see it like it's gonna go viral whatever. So that's
what I'm loving. That's what I think is part of
the reason why I'm like I'm excited now because like
the Internet, like all right, you put remember I'm skill driven,

(46:09):
I'm I'm I'm I'm based on that's the first song.
I can't based on skill, that's the first. Like when
I made my little tapes and ship, I had concentration
on work and I had based on skill. And that's
my ship now. So I'm like, you know, if you
look at my I g all I'm doing is just
putting up records ship like that people. You know, it's

(46:31):
a small community now, but it's gonna grow. I'm taking
all these records from America, American history, sucking them up
like twist them up on some hip hop ship, making
them translating to some hip hop ship, and people was
getting it, and you know, it's growing worldwide and that's
what I'm loving. So I'm excited. Yeah, I'm excited. The
god rock can't Rock Cam. He was somebody that keeps

(46:55):
collaborating with a few times now. Rock Kim has a
mythical type aura about it, mystique, right, Yeah, I mean
he's like he's a very down to earth, humble guy.
But yeah, you don't allow too much access to himself. Uh,
give us a story. I think I think that I

(47:17):
think that's double edge. And he said that just recently,
that that that was double edged about him because the
industry started turning into like everyone coming together and like yo,
we collaboro and all of that. And you know, at
that time, he was just a stand alone dude and
dudes were just like you know, he was always approachable
and the God always show love. But just on the

(47:39):
artist tip. It was just like a one of one,
like stand alone type. But um man, yo, rock kim Man, Man,
give us give us one of them stories about Rock him,
because we don't really have stories about Rockets. What style,
like what some crazy something? I mean because the god,
that's that's the god. Like maybe something happened in the

(48:00):
studio or he gave you a car one day that
you ain't will never forget. All right, oh man, One
time we were in the lab. I think he was
working on his solo joints. It wasn't it could have
been every being rocking. I don't, I don't know. But
we was in the lab in the city and uh

(48:22):
I had my man Land with me and lan Lane.
We was cool. And Ship he knew Rock him from
when when I was working with him. This is after
all the work was in from that time. Now we
got another time we're working with him and Ship we're
gonna see him. Oh man Land with me and ship
were chilling, rock him, embracing him. You know, they clicked
up and ships everybody smoking weed, chilling whatever. So my

(48:43):
man Lane he going downstairs and ship go to store whatever.
He coming back upstairs, got this girl or whatever. He
got some girl with him, might have been two or whatever.
Wanted two girls and ship Russian chick. I guess he
told her downstairs like Man, I got rock Himmel. No
Ra allowed it. So now the chicks is in there.

(49:09):
That's the end of the story. I go. You know,
I ain't gonna say nothing else. Man, I ain't gonna
say nothing else. Man, it was why now I'll tell you.
I'll tell you this. I'm i'm, i'm, I'm. I'm gonna
block out one part and go to this. I'm gonna
go to this right here. So my man Land right
now to check like one of them. I guess it was.
I don't know, Oh man Land, try to, you know,

(49:33):
because it was trying. You know, everybody was trying to
do their little studio thing at the time, Like you
know we're talking earlier about to you know, pull a
seat back in the g type ship. No they're trying
to do their studio thing, right, so you know the
chick just come up. No no, no, no rock him
Rocky not you rock not not who my manly man, Right,

(49:58):
that's what you're saying. Yeah, we was all laughing then.
You know it was crazy man, Yeah, you know it
was It was crazy. It was crazy. It was some
wild ship. It was some wild ship. Uh you know
for a studio session. We didn't supposed to be doing music. Yeah,

(50:21):
happens should be happening. Work with tribe call Quest oh man, yeah, man,
honorable brother Q Tip, oh man, Yo, that's that like
to be involved with a brother that you know Q
Tip with brothers actually. But I was like, you know
because we had so many similarities on me and my

(50:43):
man Q Tip, Like we're both to every ship and
using same records and all this, you know wild ship
we found out about the other each other whatever and ship.
So it's like wow, man, like yo, we got a
lot in common. Start rocking like dogs man, that the
records that they put the world onto, that the world

(51:05):
still reverves through their music like artists. Now, like this
is like a portal, man, this is like them dudes.
Was like you know, even their album covered with all
the faces on. You know what I'm saying. They were
like a portal for like hip hop man and to
this day man, like you know, I reach out to

(51:25):
Tip Man. He just recently rocked on a song that
I have my Mannique the Exotic. He was on faking
the funk with me. Um. We just did a project
called Extra Exotic, so q Tip came through on that.
We did a joint co qu I talked to him
here and there, you know what I mean, like he
he out there, Man, that that's a that man has,
you know, put the world onto something, you know, and

(51:46):
just trial Man brought just such a great vibe man,
and just for me to get a shout out and
to like do a track for them, you know, it
was just like an honor man like them. Them dudes
was already going and we clicked up. They got greater better,
you know when they kept going and getting great at
your incredible man, incredible experience. My um. Okay, So when

(52:11):
the Midnight I've been on tripic call question since um
the low End theory, but when the Midnight Marauders came out,
I was smoking. We really really really a body. Everybody
at that time, and I had an eighth fifty what
color black? Okay, had an eight fifty with two fifteens

(52:34):
and all it like it was done up like professional sound.
You remember that. You remember that with that here's talking
about right there with black joint. You had a black
I love this. A couple of dynamic y'all got man,
I love it, man, And every day call you, no doubt,

(52:55):
make big money, Big calls him man. All right, so
you're fifty man and riding. Molly had the red one. Yeah,
everybody in the bridge like man. Prince had a purple one,
I mean a yellow one. You remember that. Willie went
the Princess of Yeah, you went to that compound. I

(53:16):
went to that compound. He had a yellow eight fifty
with purple seats in it. I went to that compound.
He clowned Tevin Campbell, Chris came to a ghetto boys
show show? Did he? Sure? Did? Two? We had to.
We played two shows at glam and I was out
there with Rice was in the back and the singing

(53:37):
every word. And Prince went and Willy said, they go
Prince up at the top and people look back, and
Prince did this, and big dude hauled him out real ship.
All right, you said chial cold question. So I'm wait,
let me finish. William't cut me off no more. So
I'm in that, bitch man, let's go. So hit the weed,

(54:00):
right and this is this is my partner is coming
down from uh Oakland nice and they're bringing that. They're
bringing that weed that's rolled up like you wouldn't believe.
So I fired up the square man. I go to
the record so I'm high as fuck. I pick up
the Midnight maraudas bro and that'ship so fucking how do

(54:22):
I put it in the cranky Doom Doom? Yeah? Blown
the fuck? Yeah, oh way. Yeah. To this day, that
is my favorite tribe called quest album because of the experience,

(54:49):
like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying.
That's like a game Star joint. Yeah where you were where?
Yeah you remember? I remember that ship like it was
this morning. I was high as fuck and that song
came on, yeah, and I was just drove. Yo tip
throw the Brethren Jones behind the Ronnie Forrester guard man,

(55:13):
Yo shoever you are tip tip to ghetto boys. Yeah
know that your tip throw the Brethren behind yo bro man.
Now that's a fly guy man. All right. So y'all
told the Prince story. So I'm riding the Jersey, go

(55:34):
get some records with this dude. There was just diner man.
This dude. I found out, my man, Charlie, there was
a diner. My bad. I'm gonna rambler. So there's this
diner man to dude, white guy man, Yo, tough, tough guy.
Tough guy. He's a tough guy, short too man, but
tough like what you want type ship. So we're in,
they're getting records. He's showing us love doing it like

(55:54):
we so borm. We're driving over there. Ship fucking phone
ranging ship he talking and ship like yo, Prince with
up man like I don't want to speak of ship.
I'm like, oh, okay, I had a good Prince moment
for you. Okay. So Prince Londale and Q two. Londale

(56:15):
and Prince were together and Londale was representing me and
Lindale made me let me meet Prince man and he
told my name or whatever. He said, hello, brand, that's crazy,
and then he said tip and they went to the back.
All right, all right, all right, all right, well okay,

(56:36):
well fly guy Q Tip my brother. I love man
comal the abstract. So I'm with the family Christmas Day chilling.
We're chilling, you know what I'm saying, family, extended family, everybody.
You know. He called me up, yo, I'm coming, I'm
coming through. I'm coming through, all right, cool? You know

(56:57):
because he I moved out to Jamaica. He had just
left it. You you know, so like, Yo're go and
visit Marvs and I'm gonna come through. Come to the
back doorship, opened the door and ship got Jannie Jackson
with him. I'm like, come in. What was he doing
with Jenny? Man? Bro? They were just hanging out there?

(57:22):
Just want to man. It was in the movie together
on the table. Bro. They was in the movie together.
Quane minds want to know you got Jannie Jackson? What
you're doing with them? Said? You didn't say? Johnny gets
Tall Wahsington was from over there, man fifth Ward man hard.
It's hard, It's hard. I don't know what Jennie. Where

(57:46):
is Johnny? We can't be canceled. I think Johnny get
Tard Washson might be young. Galveston is a Galviston. That's
that's a very white right right right? Good? So no
now like Queens, the the ependyme like the start of it,

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and in our opinion down here was run DMC. That's
when we first heard about Yeah, somebody's just saying Queens
loud and proud. Yeah, absolutely, Kings from Queens. From Queens
comes Kings. Fifth Ward. They don't say no fifth Ward.

(58:29):
Oh really the King from Queens, from Queens comes Kings. Yeah, Houston, Texas,
but it don't say no, Yes, sir, I see all right,
fifth board. So that's that's shout south the Fifth War.

(58:52):
How about that? Did you ever get a chance to
work with run DMC or talk to them and hang
out with them? Me and and D Me and D
is like I'm young Brol because I was like the
second dude to come out with glasses from Queens. So
I was inducted in that way. So you know, we
got that camaraderie like that. But um nah, man, I
didn't get to I ain't get not yet, not yet,

(59:14):
because them brothers are still credible and I know they
could pulla that's my mission these days. Yeah, because um,
I just recently gave a beat the Grandmaster cast like
one of the yeah, the originator, like it is rapture
so I'm kind of going in different ways with who
I want to work with and and and things that
I think people you know. So yeah, man, we know

(59:34):
all of that. Man, we might still be able to
do that with running them. Man for real. I walked
out the a loft in Harlem. Oh yeah yeah, right yeah,
and on the block. Who do I see cool Mo
d No but he was from right down the block. Yeah,
comment and all that right there. Yeah, and man, that

(59:54):
was like wow, that was that was a hip hop
wild moment. Yeah. And Doug Doug live right up the
block first, right up the block from there. Yeah. Hell yeah.
So man, I get I get I get birthday calls
from O D. I get Ice Yeah when he heard
I got sick, man, I got calls from my beat
and when when I got my transplain you know, check

(01:00:14):
on me like like tips, Like yeah, that's a beautiful
damn man. To have people that you grew up listening
to to be your friend like l L, like you know,
l L. Hit me up a cube, you know, text cube,
and like these are my people. Ice team Man, ice Man, Yeah,

(01:00:35):
Ice Man Man. I did an art I did an
art exhibit with Ice Man. We did a show called lyrics.
It was me Ice, and so it was like the
dude do a painting or whatever. We just write the
lyrics over the painting. And you know, it was cool
with me Ice, Cool, Keith Smooth, the hustler. A few
of us were. That was just recently, no, and I

(01:00:56):
was a few years ago because Chuck just told me
he was with iced Tea and some kind of art
thing that was branching out. So that, yeah, that was
a cool experience. Man. That's that's the to what he
say is to real o G. It was he's the
He's the O G tle. I'm o G realie double
o G. So iced ta gotta be triple o G. Whatever.

(01:01:20):
The motherucking you ain't that you ain't old yet. It
ain't gotta be flavor flamel than you experienced ex experience.
So iced t nobody reckless. Got a song called reckless Man,
and people didn't know that was iced tea. That's iced tea, right,

(01:01:41):
reckless reckless. I don't I can't think of that right now.
I know a DJ's task was just to play records.
When more could you ask that first record? You're talking
about mixes, scratches and cuts, when you're talking about that
first record, Reckless. Yeah, they just sently. I think they
had them on the series that Cash actually was hosting

(01:02:04):
and they yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so. It's it's
like with the b Boys or something like that was
with the Breaking Up. Ye see, it's from like New
Jersey or absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Man, You've been with a
lot of records. Man, You've done a lot of business
with a whole lot of people. Yeah. You ever thought

(01:02:24):
about being an executive? Yo, I'm doing that now, man.
I mean I know people were like, yo, words, you're
gonna do that now. I'm like, yeah, man, I'm gonna
do that now. I got a good team around me.
It's industry free. All that bitch ass industry ship ain't
nowhere around me. Man. I got Gorillage next to me.
That's fucking tanning up the road. We was just in Denver,

(01:02:45):
all over the place. She fucking Oakland del Dell came out.
It was like, you know, yo, Dell, don't never Dell,
don't never pop out for people. You already know when
I was out there with High Road, you know what
I mean. Like, so we just hand up the road
with you know, with the respected artists that we know
from our ever, from the new era, all of that, man,

(01:03:06):
And I don't know what just made to click, man,
but just more than ever now it's like, you know,
so I'm kind of doing that now, man, Like you know,
to some it may be late, but we're working with
a lot of times. So you know, it's still a
lot of talent to scale, man, based on scale brothers,
based on the experience and and and and the respect

(01:03:30):
and so it shouldn't be hard for you to make
the moves and you got to connect absolutely do whatever
you want to do at that man. So what's next? Yo? Man?
We got this up down south up top project with
my man Royal. Why this man, he's actually the brother
He reached out to eight King. He was like, Yo,
while we're out here, man, you gotta go see the brothers.

(01:03:51):
I was like, well, damn, we just just at rock
the bells. I'm like, Yo, that make all the sense
in the world. Man. So Roal, why this man? We
got that project. We're turning up. Yo. We we all
over the place right now. You know, the families got
our back, you know what I mean, Like we we
are here, you know, picking up the luggage, doing what
the funk. We do ship like that, Um, I mean

(01:04:11):
always man. I just I just knocked out a joint
for the locks, you know, and they last joint, Yeah,
it's it's it was ringing off real real funky joint,
real funky joint. And they actually included, um that new
movement to Griselda Brothers was on there, Benny the Butcher.
Yeah so that yeah, they yo, so, And it was

(01:04:35):
good to have a new movement come from New York.
And it wasn't from the Inner City, you know what
I'm saying. It was like the brothers from up top
because they know, they they you know, the city, the city.
I came front, and I'll actually I'll say it, man,
like the inner city got kind of like not boogie,
but got kind of like you know, like you no,
that's stable. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. And

(01:04:58):
and in the South like all these other just was
coming through and they you know these people, you know,
they know, y'all brothers come, you know, like yo, we're
hitting these streets like New York and you know the
officers was right there, you know, you know somebody there
that you know, so like I came front, I was
one of them. You know I was the office. You know,
you get out to the city, go to the office,

(01:05:18):
see what's up. Like so now to open up and
just like go to all these different regions and the
work is in, so people, it ain't like I'm going
out here square one. You know, it's like I'm I'm
going out here with some working so you know, it's
the likeness. But just put that work in and I
think we'll get it to where we where we needed
to be so that you know, uh not even on

(01:05:40):
the industry tip, just for the culture. You know, we'll
we'll have because I was always inspired by like Africa
band Bada you know, um uh, Africa Islam. You know
the Zulu dudes. These were they had a term called
record masters. These were record masters. These were dudes that
you know, your bam got every break, you know, that

(01:06:03):
type of ship. You know, that's that was where I was.
I was like, oh ship Yo and Yo bam played
Frisco disco at you know, like you know Africa Islam
and that like that was the ship that always had
me wide. I like Africa Islam, cutting up Bob James
Nordless and ship on the you know the Zulu Beat show.
Jazzy J and them record masters and ship like that. Like,

(01:06:27):
that's what I think because that community, the records store community.
Like I've been linking with record store owners and things.
So it's just a whole other world out there, man
that I see how it could be done, and we're
gonna get it done. For show Magacine. Man, it's definitely secure.
Breby louis absolutely man. That's what we was out there.

(01:06:50):
He was, That's where we was out in Oakland. He's
out there posted with the high Road Brothers now Man.
So yeah, he the o G take care of the
turntable is um Yeah, definitely man. So you know we
are circulating with the old and the new man and
just in the name of hip hop in your opinion,
in your opinion, what can we do to make hip

(01:07:14):
hop better? Like, what can we do to make hip
hop better? What can hip hop do to make hip
hop back? Well, one thing that I saw that was
really nice was my man Puff opened out Academy up
Man for them children, man, the kind of like because
that's what we need. We need these next generations, man,
to know what it really is and to follow suit

(01:07:34):
and to have the proper guidance man, So y'all you,
especially you when you came in that I didn't even
say how. I was like, Yo, I love what you're
doing because you're putting a lot of common sense out
there for a lot of people who just like it's
this is common sense, like you know, and I love
that man and your brothers. Man, just just keep forging ahead, man,

(01:07:55):
how y'all do man? And you're doing it now. Man
when you hit the stage at the rock to else,
when you putting the word out there, that's the good
word man for real. I'm telling you there ain't no
bullshit man. You you you are upright dude, man. And
you you're standing on something. You're standing on something like people. People.
People may not be able to you know pinpoint what

(01:08:17):
it is, but you got a solid stance that you
come from that's like, Yo, this is the world that's
that's heavy and and and it's real in my heart.
And I'm the relatest to you. If you if you
if you come up with something different, you know, like
you you're there for if somebody got something you know,
to add on or if they want you know, but

(01:08:38):
where you stand is strong, and I we need black
men to you know and very very well spoken, you
know what I mean, from start to finish, like very
well spoken, both of your brothers. Like I think that
was part of the law, is how well spoken your
law and yo, just continue that man, and y'all we're good. Man.

(01:08:59):
I I got chills when they told me, man, because
I'm like, yo, man, the brothers man, and I know
we all got mutual respect for one another, art and everything, man,
but to actually sit down and chop it with y'all,
man is a super honor man for real, because I
got super respected before we get out of here, Before

(01:09:20):
we get out of here in October in eighteen sixty six,
Texas passed as a law providing that black people cannot
testify in court unless the defendant is black or the
crime charge was committed against a black person. M M yo,
it's crazy. It was a law, bro, Yo, brother. This

(01:09:43):
is what's crazy is that. Um I was. I I'm
sitting out there and on Fort Worth and I mean,
y'all maybe y'all maybe like really uh acclimated to this.
But you know, the police called Robot and that ship
said white settlement on it Settlement County, but the police

(01:10:08):
car said white Settlement and believe it or not, I
kind of felt good because I'm like, you know, we
got a lot of black black lives matter, you know,
all of that kind and I kind of want, like, yo,
you know what I'm saying, Let's not hide that ship. Man,
put it out there. Man, if you won't be proud
to be white, you know, don't put it out there
and ship, like, don't don't hide that ship and you know,

(01:10:28):
under the hood or nothing, and do all this ship
like just play and put it out there like we're
putting it out there. Black lives matter, Like, yo, I know,
it ain't gonna be no wall if we're being you
know what I'm saying, We're just having everybody gonna have
motherfucking pride. People have pride. I don't want to go
you know, I don't want to go there, you know,
but like every don't hide it man like. So it

(01:10:49):
was it was kind of like, oh, ship, white Settlement,
Like it's a city. It's a city. It's a city, yo.
And it was crazy because I looked up. I looked
up White Settlement police car showing enough that ship came
up and it says white Settlement on the side. Man,
I was like, Wow, that's that's so when you read that, man,
I'm like, I know it still exists, but you know,

(01:11:10):
hip hop is is definitely penetrating, man, because that ship
looks stupid as funk when these people be racist and
all of that ship, man, because it's like, man, you
you part of the like the fucking the small Like nah, man,
you've got too many people. That's like we were rocking together, man,

(01:11:31):
Like it's so crazy. Man, I don't I don't know nothing.
I mean, Flushing was a fucking melting pot. Man, Like
I grew up with Hang June. I grew up with
John Soul. You know what I'm saying, My man, our galoes,
Ja rookies and you know Joel Lestraw. You know, I
mad people. So I ain't never had no fucking racism

(01:11:51):
ship with me, you know, just from where I came
up at. You know, understand for you to go and
you ain't got no more how you want to be remembered, Man,
I'm gonna be remembered, that's it. Yeah, that's it. I'm
gonna be remembered. That's it. Man. They in some history
books somewhere, they're gonna be like large professor and Nick
guarantee there's gonna be the bloodline still holding it strong

(01:12:14):
because I got I just seen man. Mom oh man,
that's a whole another show. Man. I know where you're
going with this, but YO, definitely man, Ladies and gentlemen. Man,
love y'all. Manl Gettle Toys reloaded bird page. This episode
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