The Tyron Woodley Episode

Former UFC champion Tyron Woodley stopped by GBR to discuss his journey into boxing MMA and makes the distinction of the two sports. Also, he discusses his early influences, his bouts with Jake Paul, the impact of the Mike Brown shooting in Ferguson Missouri and more.

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information and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy,
beautiful world in the studio Towering wood Lee, the chapters
in the building, the Realist. I appreciate your, appreciate you
appreciate you. Yeah, man, um, tell me what's what it's

(01:08):
like to be and m m a fighter because you
know boxing is my background. I've always had a problem
with people kicking me like I thought kicking with disrespectful shit.
Ever do you ever feel that way? Was somebody kick you,
does it turn up something in you? I mean when
I was younger, we fall in the street a lot,
fought in gangs. I falled like just a fight for sure. Yeah.

(01:33):
I grew up in St. Louis and fighting was just
a way of life. Um So for me, karate was
a big thing because Karate Kid that came out. So
we was doing mad KARATEI in the crib. I remember
my my daughter would not kick me in the face
so hard, and my you know, you get that headache
in the back of your eyeball. He mean kicking me

(01:54):
in these I had a headache in the back of
my eyeball so bad. But I told myself, you bet
not cry, you bet not cry, You better not cry.
I just how old, I mean, probably like ten you
still crying? You get kicking the nose at thirties in
the nose right now? So so I was. I think

(02:14):
that's kind of like where I kind of built that
extra layer of skin that like, even if something hurt,
I just didn't want to show nobody her. So the
kicking part came later, Like I really, most of my fights.
I don't do a lot of kicking. Um. I wanted
to box my whole life, but my mom would never
let me box. So that was the only sport that
I really, really really wanted to do that I never did.
My grandfather was a big boxing promoter in St. Louis

(02:36):
and Detroit, Cash, just Clay, everybody you can think of.
He promoted everybody, so it's kind of my blood. Everybody Spinks,
Corey Spinks, um so we um. I wrestled in college
and when I graduated college, the Ultimate Fighter Show came
out and I was like, let me give it a
try because I couldn't start boxing that at that age

(02:59):
because I was twenty three years old. Most people started
boxing and as teenagers, so I said, let me try
this Emma thing. And I was a coach at first,
teaching people to wrestlant stop people from taking them down,
because that's when the wrestler was coming in and and taking
everybody down and couldn't stop it. So I was kind
of like the the ob So I was teaching them
how to stop the wrestlers from taking them down. And
I was sparring so much and training so much two
and three days because I was like the number one

(03:21):
coach in the country. Everybody flew me out to training. Yeah, nobody.
I was a number one coach for for wrestling because
nobody knew how to handle the wrestler. So I was
in such your shape, I'm like, well, let me just
try this. So I just really got an emvac kind
of trying it out, and I said shot out. Since
I'm man, here's go ahead and go cradit with it.
But you started very young. I mean you you you
were on the wrestling Did you want a championship on

(03:44):
the on the collegiate level? You want the championship on
the high school level, and you won the championship on
the pro level, you know, I mean like you got
that transpective thing. Yeah, I want a couple of state
championships in high school. And then I went to University
of Missouri. I was All American and when they first
Big two title that they ever had at the cool
and then UM had over a hundred of something victories,
so I'm in the record books there and they just
put me in the Hall of Fame. And then I

(04:06):
went on the m m A and I won five
UFC titles and that's just kind of where people kind
of know me from. But more importantly, I just I
never wanted to be boxing. Everybody wanted me to do
one thing and they wanted me to just be one person.
But I'm like, I'm an artist, so I do everything music, TV, production, fighting, really,
painting and art. So anything, um um like the w

(04:33):
W E w w W. Yeah, I was on. I
was in the training account for the w W. Yeah.
I was in as a motherfucker. And it's so dog,
I'm trying to take Let me tell you what it is.
What you're doing is real. Now. You asked me if
it's real? All right now if I don't want to
get a ghost up, but I'll tell you what though.

(04:53):
I got a humeboy in a book. It to you right,
He liked, yeah, but book you want a whole lot
of championships, man, and he stood up right. So I'm
looking at this big old motherfucking I'm like, man, I
choked slam and ship out of the tea and he

(05:15):
probably thought something different that w W crazy man. I
looked at the man and said, I choked show him
to shoot out of chef. That's when reality hits you,
like would beat your Now that real training is real

(05:35):
and hurts turn up. You gotta hear so hard ninety
nine all over again. You called the chief with where's
Jake bring the boat? Shouts out to my home way
Book of Tea. No, that's my dog man like like
it's it's it's hard to um um, it's hard to fake,

(05:59):
like dropping the motherfucker, you know what I mean. Hit. Yeah,
I'm a big gass wrestling fan from a little kid.
I don't really watch it right now. So after I
smelled what the rock was cooking? That was it? That
that smell? The does The thing about it is like
imagine like if you're fighting in real life, a lot

(06:20):
of time adrenalin gonna take over. Right, you do feel
that pain and you feel like afterwards, So if somebody
clothesline you for real, boom you but offen it goes
crazy on it, right, But when you know it's coming
and you gotta look like you don't and you gotta
hit it and take the fall, like in a way
where it looks tragic that ship hurt because it's not

(06:40):
really adrenaline. Adrenaling is like I'm in this, but when
you're actually going through whatever they're doing, like I did it.
It's a whole different thing because I've been wrestling. I've
been slammed. I've slammed people know it ain't nobody doing that.
M How cold are you find not? Yeah? How would you?
Two hundred right? You can get done to you tell

(07:07):
us how you got even even got interested in wrestling,
because you know a lot of our kids, you know
a lot of black kids that you know come from
my background. You know, we grow up and we had
this idea of being a rapper or an athlete, and
you chose, and the wrestling is it is. That's not
the basketball, but it's not stereotypical basketball and football at

(07:29):
a fighter, you know, but but wrestling it is one
of those things we don't that's not typically on you
from throwing off off the top because they're looking at
it like it's a little heart, you know what I mean,
it's kind of a tight uniform. And most kids ain't
really checking for that. They want like bagging sharks. They
want socks, they wanted they want look cool stuff. They
want to make jump shots. They don't want to have

(07:49):
ugly years. And you know what I mean, you have
to shave your face face with her look crazy so
for me, I was I was really My coach said, hey,
we got wrestling practice today. You come to wrestling practice.
I'm like, man, I ain't coming to the wrestling practice.
So he like grabbing me up, like you know, you
come into practice. So I went. But in my mind
it's w W So I'm in there ready for the ropes.

(08:10):
I'm ready to jump off some stuff. But I don't
know that it's not that kind of wrest I never
heard of regular wrestling. So I went into practice and
then I didn't know no moves that It wasna like
my first day. Everybody had already started and he was like, um,
you played football. I said yeah, I played football and
he said you know how to tackle somebody and I
said yeah. So he said that's all you gotta do
is tackle him and trying to smash that back to

(08:32):
the mat. And then that's how that's pretty much the
just a wrestling. So he was in practice and I
was young, and when I was young, I didn't I
didn't know to think, and I didn't know the care.
So I was just slamming everybody boom boom boom boom
boom boom boom boom, and he was like, we gotta
wrestling tournament tomorrow. You should come to the wrestling tournament.
I remember, I only got one day of practice. I
don't even know what the movis is call. I don't
know what's illegal. I don't know nothing. So I went

(08:53):
to this tournament and I wrestled this kid, and everybody
was like getting warmed up. And I don't even know
how to warm up. I don't really don't their names moves.
So I rushed his kid, I shook his hand. I
all I remembers football tackle. So I picked him up
and I slammed him so hard. He had his tongue
out of his mouth right and bit down in the
tip of his tongue. He bit the tip of his

(09:14):
tongue off. It was blood on the matter is blood everywhere.
And I was freaked. I'm like, I'm broke. I can't
pay for this mother hospital bills. But every all the
kids was around me was scared to me after that,
and I was like, I like this. I like the
way that felt when they was when they feared me
a little bit. So then I won that tournament, and
there was history after that. I just kept wrestling, but
I never if someone would have showed me the uniform,

(09:35):
told me the wrestling. I saw a match, I would
have never did it. It is, man, because it's no
way I'm still yeah. I mean it's it takes a
lot of energy, like somebody like trying to force their
position on you as you're trying to resist it. It's
never in their static straining basketball. You can relax a
little bit, but imagine being tense and flexed the whole

(09:57):
time and always every little move it's like a next
chain move you gotta be ready for. It's a it's
a chess match, like a static strength chess match, if
that makes sense. I can't. I can't imagine, like don't
you have to like get on forward and then somebody
get on top of you and then y'all go from
there and some ship you gotta try to escape, like
from the bottom position. So a lot of people aren't
good at that. I was terrible at that. When I

(10:19):
first started, I was like I was really smart. So
I'm like, I'm gonna take this dude down a lot
five six times, Okay, So I'm gonna be up by
mad points. I'm gonna defer to him. I'm gonna let
him pick the choice, he's gonna pick down, I'm gonna
let him up. I'm gonna take him down some more
so I can kind of break your spirit. Now in
the last round, if I choose to go down, then

(10:41):
he's not gonna pin me. He only got two minutes.
He's not gonna make up the points. So I want
a lot of matches that way. Or I said, I
don't feel like going down. I just want neutral, so
I went back on my feet. So I was before
I got to college, I never really learned how to
get away from the bottom. And then I spent one
whole year when my coaches made me learn how to
get away from the bottom. And the only match as
I ever lost, I was like forty seven and seven.

(11:02):
I won a crapot match in my freshman year. All
seven matches I couldn't get away from bottom. The only
way to somebody beat me. And then when you learn
to get away from yeah, because black black athletes and
wrestling are the same stigma as other sports. Strong, athletic, explosive, right,
but wrestling is a very skilled sport. So most African

(11:26):
Americans to get off the bottom position as a mindset,
I'm not gonna let another man, keep me down. I
gotta get the funk up. That's really all it bolls out.
So it's technique to get up. But when you sircumminists,
except I can't get away all. Uh, that's that's that's
when we say now. Nor if you keep trying to
get up and everything you got, it's so hard to
maintain top position when somebody's fighting hard to get up,

(11:47):
most likely gonna let you up. So when I got
that mindset, it kind of separated me. So I didn't
want people to look at me as just an athlete
that was strong and explosive and fast and had an
extra calf muscle, you know what I mean. And I
had some matter. I lost. I was tired. I was
cutting too much weight, so I lost. When my freshman
year in college, I was in the match to be
an All American as a freshman, which is like not

(12:09):
very likely. In that match, I lost in overtime because
I was too tired to defend myself. And I told myself,
that's the last time that severn l happened to me.
I made Cardiff Cardio. I made it in my life
because you know, when you think about an athlete, we're
just not getting to the point where we're accepting the
quarterback is an African American athlete, right, the skill positions

(12:30):
are golf or something different like that. Right, We're looked
at running back and basketball players and stuff like that.
So I tell my kids, you have to be in
shape more than everybody else because everybody looking for you
to fade. Like they used to say in college, chocolate melts.
It's mad, disrespectful, mad racist. That means that if you
keep putting pressure on the African American wrestler, they'll break.

(12:53):
So coaches used to say chocolate melts. So when you
wrestle an African American wrestler, the rest of you to
try to beat us is be really square, grab our risks,
control our hands, block all the shots, let you try,
let you try to, let you gas out, and then
try to go after you. Yeah, how receptive was your
family and you're pursuing wrestling In wrestling, that was really

(13:16):
receptive because you know, um, nobody ever did it in
my family. Um, nobody really ever did it in my neighborhood.
Actually my next one neighbor wrestle a little bit, but
outside of that and had nobody else that wrestled um.
The thing they took card was fighting because I was
such a you know, wrestling. I got a college degree,
I went on I was an All American. It's kind
of like a Schlussick sport, and fighting at that time

(13:38):
wasn't making money. It was kind of like a bar
like bar fighting. So my mom was like, what's going
on you? You're gonna through identity crisis and what's wrong
with you? Like like they was worried about me because
why am I doing this fighting? So I got a
college degree, I'm a coach, you know, I mean, I
did this whole thing. Why I'm All American? Why am
I going into this crazy fighting bars for free? I
fought for free for three years. But I just I

(14:00):
don't know. I just want to do it in adrenaline.
But I felt bad when I first started doing it
because I was like, I'm telling my friend, I said, man,
I feel like I can kill somebody with my hands.
I don't know if that's godly or no. I felt
like I felt like if I wanted to, I could,
But then I don't know if that was a good thing.
That's a good thing. But think think about this, how
many times they've been warning it, looking the Bible, looking

(14:21):
at any religion, people have been warn forever, right, So
that's a good thing. Man. I know how you feel
really because like when you especially when you're in tiptop shake, yeah,
you feel like you can beat the world, like anybody
can get it. Yeah, with your with your bad hands.
Like like right now, I feel like anybody across right
directly across. I feel like I feel like I'm would

(14:43):
be mediating, afficiating this never to get up what I'm saying.
I see right now, I'm gonna be right in the
middle officiating. Yeah, Willy has always been violent. Man. My
my question is that does professional wrestling like the wrestling
that you did, does that does that pay like a

(15:05):
nice check? Na? I mean in collegian wrestling, the professional
wrestling is to w W, So that's what professional because
they make money. They call the wrestling that we do.
Collegiate wrestling is really amateur because you can't be a
professional go to the Olympics. So when these guys go
to the Olympics, you don't make money in to the
Olympics and they only make money. So when you go

(15:26):
into the the w W E and that kind of ship.
I don't like calling names, so bleep that ship. I
meanmor yo. But when you go into that part of
wrestling that's considered pro wrestling, that's consider pro wrestling, that's
what makes money. Yeah, amateur wrestling is the actual sport
that you see in collegiate or Olympics. You you can

(15:48):
get sponsorships where they like, I'm sponsored by UM, I
don't know, Sun Kiss Kids or Dave Schultz or something
like that. They'll they'll like you, they'll give you a
little bit of money. It'd be like fire in front
of house of money would be some nothing UM uniforms gear.
And then when you go you have a past to
say he wrestled with Sun Kiss Kids or Dave Schultz.

(16:08):
And some people thought that was a flex. But even
when you win the Olympics, like these guys aren't even
getting a million bucks. That's the top of the top. Yeah,
they're getting hundreds of thousands. Maybe if that m I
feel like you had a gold medal and from Olympics,
you should be getting the whole whole tickets where they
get their money from endorsements, right, that's where the money comes.

(16:31):
They ain't getting the money. That's why I I'm doing.
That's why I said I'm done doing freestyle because that's
what I feel like. I'm doing it for free. That's
the support. Uh, that's the genre. So it's greco Roman
when you can't touch the legs and freestyles. When you
see the guys throwing that can do the regular takens,
that's the international. So I said, I ain't doing free

(16:52):
something more. I can wrestle somebody in the M M
A fight and make money. So then I just makes
martial arts. Um, that's where the money is in the
m M is now there. It wasn't there before when
I got into it. It wasn't I found the first
three years for free or ticket sales. I remember my

(17:14):
first payday was three hundred bucks five hundred and I
thought I was living Levita Local when I made a
thousand fight. Knowing that you were part of the people
that built M M M A to what it is
now and that you didn't get the money that you

(17:35):
perhaps should have gotten back then, you know, uh, how
do you feel about that? And and and what are
you doing to make sure that you don't like just
leave that all behind and throw it away because you
still have some great influence. You still have a a name,
you got a brand, and you can still get money

(17:56):
in in that like are you doing anything? I can
get money more than I was able to get then,
because I'm the only free agent in the sport and
combat sports. No other fighter can say they can go
and fight anywhere in any place, in any country, any
format of combat kickboxing, boxing, m m A and get
paid the top dollars. Now I'm in a position, but
I had to get out of a contract. I had

(18:18):
to get out of every time I want the UFC title,
they extended my contract another year or another actually a
four twelve twelve colands a year. So when you won,
it was good because you're making more money. But you
can't go and see the free market in the free agency.
So I can leave the UFC make four times an
amount of money I made as a champion. Now I
look back and I look at you know me, all

(18:40):
the battles I fall, and I was a guy that
was just they marked me as like the public enemy.
I was like the Tupac m m A. Because I
still don't want I stood on. I never been I
never buckled. I never let the industry pay buy me out.
And all the fighters that are now speaking up for themselves.
I know I was always a trailblazer in the Pioneer.
So yesterday they had a fight, and I looked at
all the outs and guys that are not even the

(19:02):
main event are making the same amount of money I
was making as an undisputed reigning defending champion, right and
the guys they just won his first title ever made
double the amount of money I made in my last fight,
which would have been my fifth Tide of Defense. So
I can look at that in crowdspiel Milk, But I
can also look at I paid that way because now

(19:24):
the conversations are different when you're go into the office
to talk to boss. But when I go to the
table to get paid, people already know don't come to
me with peanuts. You know, Like I'm in a negotiation
right now and they want to they want to pay
me x, X, Y and Z, And then I'm like,
we can't do that. If you do it, this person's
gonna hear about it and they're gonna try to do it.

(19:45):
You're not about to do that. You only I turned
out a couple of things I kind of learned like
that maybe I shouldn't have. But then guy got a
way of bringing it back. How did the Jake Paul
fights come come about? You know, I was actually cornering
my homie, been asking, been asking, got a fight, and

(20:05):
once again he had retired from the UFC right and
he got permission, provisional permission because he still was technically
a contract to a fight. Jake Um, he helped me
win world titles. He was my teammate in college, multiple
time national champion, world champion. M a fighter, he's a
legend and Um he's been there for me for a
lot of fights. And he's a He's a wrestler that cardio.

(20:26):
You can't even compare nobody to his cardio. He'll he'll
never get tired in a million years. But when I
was getting into top Shade, he was my measuring stick
and he would always let me know you ready to go.
And I always appreciate that. So when he asked me
to help him out, I said, I'm there. I said,
I got my own stuff coming up. He said, I
don't even need to train with you, I just want
you to be at the fight. So I was king

(20:46):
for him at the fight. We get backstage and Um,
de's Jake and his crew. They mean they came from
the YouTube world. Everything is a prank, Everything is a guy.
That's the way they take it to make it light.
I bet you can't do this. So I'm gonna fight
this guy that's a champion. If he wins and losers,
he can't really lose, right. So I went in the
back and I'm like, all right, let me check your gloves.

(21:07):
Make sure you ain't throwing the fucking you know, I
mean brickson or something like that, So you have to
go and check the gloves upon it. Him and his
guys are kind of like trying to like rough with
my feathers to try to play the mind game. And
I was like, if you know me, you really know
I don't look around like that, So yeah, I can
say whatever you want. Let's he just to get these
gloves six. So then they started trying to go back
and forth, and I'm thinking to myself. Part of me

(21:27):
is like, I will smack the dude. The second part
is you're Dudefinn get the biggest pay that he ever got.
Protected back. Don't don't do no boysh it. This ain't
your fight. You're here for your dog. So I kind
of let it go right at the end of the fight,
my dog lost, and then he said I want to
see Tyra fight him. I'm like, I'll fight him ship
And then after that all the fans wanted to see

(21:48):
me fight him. So I never really like politics for
a fight with the dude. Everybody else want to fight
him because he's paying a lot of money, right, paying
a lot of money. So I got the fight based
eilely because of what I did, and the fans wanted
to see him. Okay, So so the fight, the first fight,

(22:09):
it go down and well, I can't remember, can you
hear me? Remember? How did? How did it end? As
far I know? You lost the first the first the
first fight was um. First fight was a split decision,
So two judges said that he won and one just
said that I want Um. I thought I wanted to
fight because the first four rounds was kind of the

(22:30):
filling out rounds, right, But in the fourth rounds when
I knocked them through the ropes, technically that's a knockdown.
They didn't call it a knockdown. You if the ropes
is the only thing to keep you up, it should
be knockdown. Um. We went into the ring. The ropes
was to the back of my head that side. I've
never seen the rope that high in my life. And
they were really loose, right, So my coach made he
made a complaint about it. They tightened up the ropes.

(22:52):
When they tightened up the ropes, that's what actually brought
him back into the fight. So they would have left
the ropes to where it was when I hit him,
he would have hit the ropes and he would have
sat to his ass. But he sprung back forward after
I hit him, So I hit him. He went through ropes,
and I'm like, I'm gonna try to send him through
the ropes. So when I when he bounced back, he
called me out here boom. So now I'm like, my
damn arm is mess up? Like finished the fight. I'm

(23:14):
like my orphan, like he's out of sockets. So then
I just started swinging crazy. I won that round. I
won the fifth round, I won a sixth round, and
run the seventh round, one eighth round. If you do
the math, four or five, six, seven, eight, if I
went five out of eight rounds, is no way he
could have won. Even if you clearly won the first
three rounds and he never knocked me down, so I
just felt like the fight was in Cleveland, Ohio, where

(23:34):
he's from. The whole storyline was about this emerging YouTuber
blah blah blah blah, so it makes sense for the
storyline for me to win the fight, I would have
had to knock him out. So the second time we fall,
I was actually set filming Cobra Kai. I was filming
the Cobra Kad in Atlanta, and I got a call
from his manager and said, his opponent can't fight. Can

(23:56):
you fight? I said, let's go two weeks so I
jumped into the mix. I started. I did fourteen hours
of filming. I started training three or four in the morning.
Right when I got done a filming, whatever time it was,
we trained, went to sleep. I did that for two weeks.
I got in shape and I told you, I said,
I'm looking better shape than him. I'm gonna look He's
gonna be the one that looks hard. And though I

(24:17):
lost the fight, though I started for the knockout. The
first six rounds out of eight, I was smashing him
and he threw one punch at the same time I
dropped my hand and landed the punch. But I can't
take away from everything building up training for this fight,
getting prepared with two weeks notice, and being in better
shape than he was was that was actually the victory.
But but Jake's bigger than me. But he I don't

(24:43):
know exactly how much he weighs. But I feel like
if we walk out this door and somebody get in
my face, I'm not gonna check their weight. I'm not
gonna check their background. I'm not gonna check their record.
I'm gonna try to funk him up. Well, that's absolutely true.
But but talking about to be in croas proximity and

(25:04):
a person can lean on you for three three minutes,
I never felt I never felt that. I never felt
the lean. He wasn't a good clincher anyway, that's when
he was he they broke the fight up too much
because I was actually working them to the body. Um
my wrestling background, I was very good in the clinch.
So though people maybe bigger than me, like I work
with my homie Jay Glazier in um in l A
and I work with a lot of NFL guys and

(25:25):
they call it m m athletics. So I trained them
in martial arts. But trying to make a statis shrint
for like their sport. None of those heavyweights, none of
those guys, they will be tongue out falling over because
I just know how to move the person. He were
waiting at one ninety two. That's what I walk around
that one two. So I don't feel like I lost
that much weight. I mean I had some. I had some.

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He had the height of light heavyweight, right something cruiserweight. Yeah,
you came in one night. I came in and one Yeah.
So I didn't mind that because I killed my body
for so many years. Man, I made one seventy from
two hundred, two hundred and five my entire m maker

(26:10):
and my dog could tell you many times it was
not cute watching me make weight the last point two
or point three, like I'm damn there dead. And did
you make more money like with those two fights with
Jake than you than you have made during your career? No,
I mean a lot of people, a lot of people.
I want to believe that, And I just let people
know what they know. Fans know everything, like right, according

(26:33):
to the fans, I'm retired. According to the fans. Uh,
the fight was fixed. According to the fans, I made
the most money I've ever made, but I've had m
a fight squard. I made millions of dollars. I mean
I made three million dollars on my fight. So people
think that I'm just not getting to the money. That
was the first big purse, but we had a pay
review structure, like I fought on a car. Madison Square Garden,

(26:53):
the first ever UFC fight in New York City, Madison
Square Garden. We have the biggest gate. Nobody's ever topped it,
not jay Z, not Ali. We got the top gate
every Madison Square Garden, the best card in receipts put
out but um but on that card, I had to

(27:15):
fight in the night out of every fight and it's
still today the best car they ever had. So I
made money. I made the most in a purse for
that fight, but I made in pay per view structure
and endorsements. I had already been making money. Did you
come from a big family? Big family? It's thirteen of you?
Is that where you get this? Uh? This this proud

(27:38):
list to fight and we fought. Man, we fall. It's
funny thing that my sisces with the fighters. They don't
want to snatch you out the car dragive, crowbar, beat
you up, stump you out, but I'll fall because I
that's where the life I lived. And and the fact
that I end up being a fighter. It's kind of
funny because if you look at my sisters and you
know how they were brought up, you thought one of

(27:59):
them when end up being a fighter. But yeah, we
definitely fought my control, last slice of pizza, So you
got what about your sister? A few times, a couple
of few with my sister calling all the way to
I was dog. She'd be a bad and when didn't
stop when you got to that to that championship stage,

(28:20):
you know, I mean, I had to stand up for
myself one time. But she did throw me through the drywall. Yeah,
she she had me in one hand, my brother on
the hand. She spent us in the circle, threw me
through the wall. So I was in the basement. I
ended up in a laundry room, and I just remember
like I'm gonna get my ask with Ma Mama. I
got beat up in embarrassed. We try to put the
little remember the the playhouse. I'm trying the playhouse over

(28:43):
the whole. My mom was like get upstairs. I'm like
now I got to get an ass with kids are crazy, man,
the biggest hole straight through the drywall. I don't know
how I perfectly he went through Between the M two
about four, I was in. I was in the lawn
your room, just sitting there like, yeah, my sister beat

(29:05):
me a mini times many embarrassing, not just a regular
like she beat me with a fishtick box on time
in front of my dogs. And that was like, you
can't never come back from it. Are you from Ferguson? Uh? St? Louis?
I from Ferguson, But until until the riots happened in Ferguson,
most people just called it St. Louis because it's too
it's kind of like East part of like East part

(29:27):
of Houston. You wouldn't like the sounding from Houston. I mean,
if you're from St. Louis, then we get we're a narror.
Now we usually ask you what high school you want to?
That's the same Louis thing. You say, well s you
want to? We're judging you off the top. Do you
think you ever m Are you in the training? Now? Yeah?
You've been a fight. I can't say just yeah. But

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so as I signed a dit in line, I let
you know Paul Man, Jake Paul, Dude, I don't know
why that kid got me so pumped up. The show
can fight, he can fight. He he's like this. He's
a kid that's like um. Everybody wanted him get his ask,
but they want to see him tak a lesson. He's
the bully that's laughing through the ass with him. You
never you never teach him a lesson. Remember he took

(30:11):
Floyd had they beat him up. He laughed the whole time,
so he really didn't He didn't really learn the lesson.
He laughed through it and then he got a tattoo.
Got your hat? Is Jake par a likable person to you? Um?
To me? I never, I just know. I know it
was behind the curtain, So I never took a personal
and I know what he's trying to do. I know
what he's trying to build his brand. Um, he respects

(30:32):
me a lot like Jake. Paul and his brother was
fans of me for a long time. Many many pictures
of like when they was babies. Want just a fan
of me is fighting his dad, his family. They've all
been fans of me for a very long time. But
to fight me proace just gave him the motivation that
if I thought somebody I looked up to or I
wanted to, you know, emulate because they came from a
wrestling background. Um. I never really had a problem with him,

(30:55):
but I knew that if I let his antics and
I let the bullshit get to me, I knew that
it would mess me up. The other people didn't take
them serious. I trained hard for him. I took him
way serious. I spent a lot of time, a lot
of sparring sessions where I was not winning against people
that are better, a lot of running. You know, Floyd,
those guys they don't play about this running. He came

(31:17):
up to me said, hmm, you don't like to run,
do you, Floyd? And I'm like, what do you say?
I said, no, not for real. He said, That's why
I can fight so long, and that's why I've been
fighting for so many years. Very difficult, six seven days

(31:38):
a week running. So if I can go back, I
would incorporate that back into the wrestling, back when I
first started fighting, because we have to do so many
different we gotta do m M A training together, right.
That's usually once you got everything put in, but then
you gotta do wrestling. Ju gets to strength and conditioning.
Then if you want to do some regular running, right

(32:00):
then if you want to massage, therapy, chiropractor, yoga, all
this stuff, the extra then kickboxing, wing tie. You gotta
find time for all that, and that balances you don't
understand exactly the divine balance. So for me, I knew
I was a high enough level wrestler that people will
have a hard time taking me down. If I needed
to get one, I'm probably gonna get one. So I
focus mostly on striking of my training, on striking, striking,

(32:24):
striking striking. If I can outstrike the striker, if I
can dictate what a fight go, I'm gonna win most
of the fight. Yeah. I like I like Jake Paul too, man.
I like him. I like him as I like him
as a person. I think he's a very smart business
man too. He's smartest. He's dumb and ship, but he's smartest. Hill. Yeah,
I think he's done. I don't think he's done. I
think he does dumb ship, but he does it. It's

(32:46):
part of the act, you know what I'm saying. It's
part of what it's part of the act to get
what he wants you know, when I say he's dumb,
I mean like he's that person that don't care. Right,
he'll get hit and you think it's funny. And he
got he got to. Some guys just have dumpy power.
We call it, like you can just and I have that,
so I understand how dangerous it is. You don't matter

(33:07):
where you had in a fight. If you can get
there from right here, from right there, I can knock
you out and you can boom and you get on
the right spot, you down. He has that, and he
knows that, and all he's really done. He's learned how
to put himself in position to throw this punch. And
it was my number one punch and the number one
thing somebody could have done to get hit by it

(33:29):
is react and drop the hands. And he got me
with my own ship because I would always faint. I
was always love with changing. I would always make you
think I'm going to something different, and when you bite
on it, it's over. It's too late by then. So
with that punch and just his ability to kind of
not give a fuck, right, and he's training hard. He's
letting y'all think he's not, but he's training hard. You

(33:51):
don't have no kids, You don't have nothing that's stopping him.
You don't have any restrictions on wealth. He can bring
in the best trainers, the best nutrition, right, and this
whole thing is now formed around that, so he can
get better fashion than somebody. They don't have enough money
for the top trainers, right, they got three or four kids.
They got a four time job. They gotta keep up

(34:11):
at the same time, right, or they're of age where
their bodies beat up, and now they don't. They can't
do massage, therapy, chiropractic work, yoga. So he that has
nothing stopping him. Plus everything is a bucket list. Everything
is a prank, right or a bet. And then he's
wired a little weird. That's just kind of a recipe

(34:32):
that we haven't seen before. Would you fight him again
for sure? What kind of bridge you're gonna need? I mean,
he knows what to pay me, you know. Yeah, we
we we we did all right, And I made no
money to nobody else. Nobody else made him money like
I did. No other fighter, not Anderson Silver, not we
made money on that fight. And the thing about it
is nobody had to build up in the prescott. I

(34:54):
called him out and I called him out. I really
should have been calling out the people that issued him
the culture. Right, you can't vote without it being in
being given right a bark and flower as many hours
and minutes as they want to. If it's nothing dead
on the ground, they're not gonna come down and get it.
So when you look at the rap culture and you
look at the people that are looking to get clicks

(35:15):
and they want this new niche of YouTuber, right, they're
all in the studio where they all Kiki Ki went right,
But they're not they're giving him the culture. So I
called him out. I said, while you got on the
five necklaces, you ain't nipsey hustle. Who in your neighborhood
dressed like that? You're like ud Niver I signed from Ferguson,
the number one murderous city in the country. Now where

(35:35):
are you from? Who's just like that? Who talked like that? Nobody?
I said, you're the rap you're listening to? Is why
what I live where people around me? My family currently
still right, So you're you look stupid, you goofy and
your dogs won't even tell you. And everybody got quiet.
But I was the first one that that was came

(35:57):
at him in a real, real way. So now when
you look at the build up, no build up is
gonna match that. What we really should do is fight
at M M A because a lot of people want
to see what happens if we fight, and that's not
going I doubt if Jake would do that. That definitely
would not be to his advantage. And Jake, like I said,

(36:18):
Jake is a pretty smart Jake is pretty smart about
giving himself a winning chance, and that that's not that
would not be wise. Let's go back to Ferguson man
um So Michael Brown shooting where he was murdered by
officer uncivilized m Daryl Darren Wilson. Now, where where were

(36:41):
you during that time? On the plane coming from Vegas?
I took my son August night. It was his birthday.
So I was flying on the plane. I was landing
it in St. Louis and then I was gonna take
a nap, and my phone crazy and like you okay, okay, okay, okay,
you don't like what's going on. And they showed me
what happened. They showed the riot stuff. Um but but

(37:07):
I found out about it. But I used to date
that's like my street in my neighborhood. So I should
date a girl in the building where he dropped that
right in front um that quick trip. I can walk
through from my house. I've been there many million times
where they rited at. So this is what Florence and
that's where the riots happened at in my street of Chamber,
So I'm touching it. So my barbershop, they didn't touch
my barbershop. People outside with machine guns and not this one.

(37:29):
They burned the building into the side of it. They
burned the build on the other side. There's a lot
of people outside of Ferguson that did that. So it
was a big, big uproar, and I had that. I
was in a training camp during that time. And the
funny part is I was filming straight out of Compton,
and we were filming the riot scenes and straight out
of Compton while the real riots was going on in

(37:49):
my city. Yeah, now you were. I've spoken about the ride,
the riots in the in the rest, the looting. You know, Um,
how much flag did you get from black people? None
about that, none, Because at the end of the day,
I still stood for what was right. I still still

(38:12):
for I grew up in Ferguson. We if somebody pulled
behind you, who got you? All Ferguson got you. It
was a known thing. It was always that way. Always
pulled over, my dogs, pulled over, beat up, throwing the
pantiwagons for no reason, all the time, racial profile, and
all the time, all your lights out, let me check
your car all the time. So we didn't recognize that

(38:32):
that was something that was not normal. We thought every
city had one of the fergus and people there. So
I didn't get no slacker. Yeah, I didn't get no
slack because what I was saying was like, if I'm
gonna turn some ship up, I ain't gonna turn my
own neighborhood, my own street. And it was not the
people in Ferguson. So the people that live in our city,
they're mad. People came from out of state to loot,

(38:54):
out of the city to loot, to vandalize. They didn't
have to live there. They have to watch that, you
know what I mean. So I just seen business owners
that I know, beauty supply stores, liquor stories that I've
known for so many years since I was a kid,
you know, I mean, I've been working my whole life.
I was sweeping there in the barbershop. So when people
outside looking like, all my ship going, what do I
go from here? Right? They have nothing to do with that.

(39:16):
So I was I was kind of tired about that,
but I was more so tight that I put together
a really big play for the UFC to get involved
with it. I said, I'm from this city. The city
mean a lot to me, right, And I said, it's
a lot of people like myself. I got a buddy
that's a trumpet player that's played in the Grammys at
eighteen years old, Beyonce, Mary J. Blige, jay Z. He's

(39:38):
everywhere a composer, right. I got a person that's a
um engineering bills missiles for for Boeing. Right. But they
all came from the city. Why don't we show case
the good that comes from the city. Why don't we
bring about a change. Why don't we go and try
to raise some funds to put this baby back together
and increase awareness on the police brutality and how do

(39:59):
we deal how do we all this problem? They didn't
want nothing to do with it. Man, did you did
you talk to what's his name, the big guy start?
He told me, He told me I had a fight coming.
I was fighting at my college China, and if you
go back and look in my fighting my college China,
you'll see I'm warning the St. Louis Had, which is

(40:20):
technicus supposed to get fined. We weren't supposed to wear
any other license stuff. But I snuck it through and
I got I had the St. Louis Had on that
because I'm like my CD hurting right now and I
want to I want to go out and represent for
them once again. A lat two men, two week fight.
I beat this dude skill skull in sixty seconds and
I made a strong statement and I dedicated that fight

(40:40):
to my city. So I talked to him about it.
He didn't want nothing to do it. He wanted me
to stay away from the city, can make it to
the fight. He wanted me to stay away from the
city so I can make it to the fight. That
was it. But but that, but that went on, The
ryots went on for an entire year. At any point
he could have stepped in and said, okay, we want
to do something to think. I think politically he's pretty

(41:02):
clear on where he stands. Um on that, you know
what I mean? People that were um for the not
for the riots. Like I don't want to say black
lives matter, because everybody like got an issue with what
they were really doing with the money and the entity.
I was saying that black lives matter the phrase because
they do, right we we don't. We didn't see that

(41:24):
from any other um nationality where they were just shot
up and just no patience and we didn't see that right,
but it was constantly shown what the people that it was.
It was easy to just pole right. So that's what
I was saying. For he, I don't I don't. I
can't really speak for him. I don't know what he did,
but I did definitely put that on the table. I
thought it had been a huge opportunity fighting in a

(41:46):
different country because when I went there, it was monks
coming from India. Um, Jake Cole was there on my dog,
Nate Parker came in. Everybody was there to show they
loved support in St. Louis and Ferguson. They came down there. Jaco,
he just pulled up the boxes like dog too. So
what the cop did, man was just that was terrible.

(42:07):
The trip part about it is the d o J investigated, Uh,
the whole entire Ferguson Police department and found uh massive corruption,
uh and descriminate. That's but from what I understand, not
a lot has changed. Uh Man, my dogs have been
I remember vividly my homie. They took him behind a

(42:30):
convenience store, put phone boots in his shirt and beat him.
Because you want bruised as much. They beat the dog
shout out of him with billy clubs. There's not there's
not nothing new. It's been our friend of Liz in
Houston right now. I was golfing with him yesterday. You
got out the car and slapping blow God and slapped
the kid. Yeah, ship, I watched What do you Do

(42:55):
Help your dog out? Isn't Ferguson with black. I don't
know the exact dynamics, but there's a lot of really
nice parts of when you think of Ferguson. Ferguson, it's
not really like St. Louis. North side. St. Louis is
the trenches. That's the city city. Ferguson technically is in
the suburbs. But they just like any if somebody see
gang culture in California, right, but they don't live there.

(43:17):
Most people in St. Louis don't move. It's like a
nest of city. Right. So people are protecting these same
blocks for four damn years. You got ogs and sixty
years old still banging on the same corner that they
was representing fourteen. Right. So now when you got that mindset,
they look at California and they want to turn up
to match that level of violence or match that level.

(43:38):
So they get they want to feel like they got
that credit, right, but they go above and beyond. And
that's why St. Louis was a murder capital for so
many years in a row, right before the pandemic. So
now when you think about that, that that category got
people that are turning up, you've got law enforcements that
are they ain't getting no respect. When I see the
police behind me or anyone, I don't look forward, don't move,

(44:00):
don't breathe. That's what we do, right, Like they don't move,
don't breathe, put on job, slow everything right, and it
should be a situation where they're protecting and serving. Now
some police officers that get a bad rap, and maybe
Mike Brown got a bad rap from the from the kids.
I was like, now I ain't doing nothing, you know,
I dressed the same way, and this dude was probably
I don't know, it wasn't Darren whatever to do. They didn't.

(44:23):
This person probably was tired of getting um told get
the funk out of my face, no respect right. Probably
probably was not the popular dude growing up, probably had
all type of stuff, and he used his authority to
get off. That's all that happened. He got off on
the kid. He needed to go to sign walk. There's
nothing else he needed to do. Ultimately, I believe that

(44:44):
the reason why he shot him because he was black.
Because all of that those things can be true. That
he was being told to get the funk out of
my face. And I'm sure some white people have told
him to get the funk out of my face. You
Peo wanted to get off, said that he reached in
the call for his fire arm. That right there should
have been. You know, that's still be in the end
of that story because when we see the laws pull

(45:05):
up and we we're not gonna run, but we're not
gonna be you know, going all in their car and
trying to talk to them and you know, leaning in
their ship. Man, I ain't gonna I'm not coming up
to that car. I wouldn't even imagine that. I wouldn't
even imagine he lies his ass off and and and
the judicial system is so fucked up. Until they accepted

(45:29):
that line, they prepared the whole city for two days.
A lot of times they killed. They don't even interview them.
They don't get no statements to anything. They get the
hang out and kick it and they go. They get
to be anonymous until you get the story. Right. Did
you see the autopsy? Yeah? Man, he had shots in

(45:53):
the back of his form, bro, And didn't he have
a shots in the back of arm and nothing shot
it from the back? Man? Yeah. They they prepared the
city for two weeks because they knew when the verdict
came out. They knew everybody's gonna turn up. So I

(46:13):
got pictures on my phone right now, um humleys everywhere,
park everywhere, prepared, martial law, um, national card, everything you
can think of already. So we already knew what the
verdict was. If it wasn't, then why would they need that.
Nobody's gonna go crazy because justice was served. So they

(46:35):
was prepping, um, like some people I know that works
in like the government offices. They kind of already kind
of like guys that need to be prepared. This is
about to go down, and it went down? How much
have changed? Sense? Um? You know, to be honest, no
matter where I'm at, I try to just I saw
the South the way. Did that black attorney getting the

(46:56):
black DA getting I don't think so it was a
black d A at one time, wouldn't it. I don't.
I would have to check on that. I think it
was a black d A that that that that, Um,
we gotta looking at that, Willie. I think the d
A was well was he should still be in office? Well,
Ferguson is is big on police policing for profits, just

(47:20):
like all of the other cities around America is. And
that's the fundamental problem with police. Not a lot of
owners of homes. And they got quotas and taxes. They're
trying to like they're trying to get it through the tickets,
they're trying to get it through the South. He could
get a get a ticket. Yeah you no, he had
on his mind to kill h Yeah, he wanted to
kill him. It was hunting the season four hand to
be Yeah, that's cold bloody man. And and and that's

(47:43):
a Commonwealth state, right, So I don't. I don't expect
for black people to get up fair um shaking that
justice system at all. When you come to those states
like that, it's tough. It's real that one was one
and everybody's always a clear case of guilty. Shout him

(48:07):
in the from in the back, bro, they had man
have to shoot him at all? I mean he could have.
I mean, I don't know the protocol, but I don't
know what some damn sweet fake to say that a
day before some ship, right, or or a few hours before. Yeah,
they man, come on, uh man, what do we do

(48:32):
to fix that? Fix this um racial uh disparity, this
this uncomfortable conversations being treated. I don't give a funk
about the conversation. I love to have the conversation all
the time. But what do we do to to to
to make them stop working with us like this? Don'tly.

(48:53):
The way that I feel the change you is to
have those uncomfortable conversations and have law enforcement chiefs and
have people of the community come together and work out
is really authority that's been hoarded over right, That's all
it is. But ain't that what we always been trying
to do. Come to an agreement and talk and all

(49:14):
that ship. I really haven't seen much much of that.
We all talked out man, this this conversation has happened
every every single day. Uh. I think that in order
to to get some justice, to get some some real
to be treated like human beings, I think number one,
because we live in a capitalistic society. Number one, we

(49:38):
should uh practice group economics. That's number one, because we
we got to spend our money with each other, and
we have to we have to pool our resources. I mean,
we have to do exactly. The Jewish community already showed
us how to do it. They the blueprint is right there.
So that's one. And and because you know when once

(49:59):
you get one should get the money, you get the power.
You get to get the power, you got the influence,
and and and you influence the decisions and government. You know,
you influence these municipalities. You know, these cops all of
a sudden they start acting right. The reason why they
don't mess with certain people because they know what's gonna
come with that. You see, it's not that they it's

(50:19):
not that they have not been trained properly. It's that
that they pick and choose when they want to use
that training properly. That's that's the point. So I think
the training cameras and how do you things that they
really should train martial arts. If you got to sustain

(50:41):
or you gotta initialize somebody without using your force, you
should be able to do that. It used to be
like that. It used to They used to would put
in a little work. They would chase if you know,
you start running the run, you run, you know it
shoot you in the back. You know it used to
be when even they did shoot you in the back,
that was automatically. Uh you know you're fired. You know

(51:05):
that's an automatic lawsuit. Now you shot him in the back. Uh, well,
I feel for my life. Yeah, you know. So the
other point that I was gonna make this is a tooth.
I think this is a twofold remedy. The other one,
the other side is uh something that I can't even mention.
And I think that we've done everything else, and you
got to read between the lines on the second one,

(51:27):
I already know you. Well, if you don't do that,
I can't. I can't I can't do man. Get us
canceled I think I get us canceled up in this.
Let's talk about your acting career. Man, you're doing good,
man good. You're good at that. Man, You're really good
at that. Man. You know, like, uh, what what's coming

(51:49):
up next? For? You know? I just I just um,
I just did I like, hey, switch that sub. I
support that. But I know what you're saying. Yeah, I
don't know what he's saying. But tell everybody the movies
that you've you've been in the roads that you played.
I played t Bone and straight up straight out of
content for the Lynch Mob. I did Sons of Anarchy,
Asians of Shield, Um Olympics is Falling, Kickboxer, I did UMST. Recently,

(52:14):
I did Cobra Co. I played a Sense That's the
number one show on Netflix. I did uh one of
my favorite ones. I did cut Through CD that the
resid did so It's me my homie, um to Meet
your Ship. We played Tupac in the documentary Terrence Howard
Wesley Snipes Um. That movie was number one on Netflix
as well. But that was like a hurricane Katrainer store work,

(52:35):
and that was hard. That was hard. But I've been
a lot of films. But but the but the but
the money isn't fighting And I feel like guy, guy
showed me the way I was gonna walk away, and uh,
I ain't hit that yet. So I'm building up to
to finish the last chapter, do it the way I
was supposed to do, and then everything else goes off

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of that. People put you in the movies. If it's
this guy versus you, they're gonna use you. If it's
pretty even you, you're gonna you're gonna get a Will
Smith role here pretty soon. No, but I just want
you to be prepared when he walked up there and
slap the ship out of you. I'm a faidback. I'm
letting hit the air. I'm gonna let Hi hit there.

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I support him slapping um Chris Rock. I know you do. Yeah,
why because he's tired of people? Man, Everybody got something
to say people too. He all right, I don't. I
can't speak on what's going on this household. But it
seemed like, you know, everybody Internet got something to say
about him, got something to say about the situation ship
where all these different things they've been kind of coming

(53:38):
at him. So I think he was just fed up. Man,
that's the man's house. No, I don't, I don't have no,
I don't have no problem with it? What's going on
in his house? But I'm saying the internet, like I
feel like, to be honest, I feel like he actually
hasn't figured out do what you wanna do because no
matter what people saying, you don't have to feed them,
you have to live with them. No matter what religion

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we worshiped, we're violating it anyway, are we not? So
we're living okay? Well, most people are ninety people religion?
What religion? Not here? I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm stomped.
We'll come back to it. Just like, but just think
about that when you think about that pressure, right you

(54:20):
are we always like I had to reuse Kanye West,
but he said a phrase that he said, the worst
thing that ideal with in school is what what's the
worst thing about school for you? We're using school was
the worst thing about it? Should for me? Going when
you when you went there? The test? Right? The worst

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thing for most people the worst thing of the anxiety
you get is when you get that test. That's where
you get the grade at right, So why are we
bringing that into our lives where we're letting people test us,
where we're letting people are you should be dating this
girl because you make this amount of money, or you
should be doing that. Keeping up with the Jones is
pretty much right, he said. I don't. I don't have
to be what you want me to be. I don't.

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I don't go out there and try to pass your test.
I just am. This is what I do. I just
said it. And I feel like, if you're already doing
in any way, just be who you are, if the
person you with and I got this understanding, and that's
the way I live in. Why does it matter what
other people think? Like society is this today is okay,

(55:26):
tomorrow's cancel, right or wrong? Right? It's the worst stock
you can invest into, So why would I keep investing
into the stock society tells us date off. I'm gonna
date this girl because she gotta fat ask. She's cute,
that dada. I don't know what kind of connection I
got with her. I don't know none of that. All
I know is my eyes want and I want to
date her, right, the same people that set you up

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to date that way. I worked for TMZ. I have
my own show, you know what I mean, emails I got,
you know what I mean? My homies. I had to like,
we didn't get that email for my dog that's in
this sport or that sport, or we need to switch
this up a little bit. Right. So now, when you
think about it, the same people that sent you up
to date that way are the people that's waiting on
you to fail the most the most. Watch Kardashian or divorce.

(56:12):
Nobody's talking about the goody two shoe stuff. Everybody want
to talk about this person. Yes, so that's the same setup.
So why are we investing that. Do what you feel
comfortable with, do what you wanna do, live your life,
make the people around you happy, and say true to
what you are. And that's what I That's what I
feel like we all should do. So I feel like
Will it's kind of doing that, but I feel like

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he's a little scared to kind of just be this
is what I am. Right, So now you gotta take
a little bit of a little little heckling from here
and there. I think you have time to slap the
ship out of Chris Rock. Bro, Chris Rock, are they cool?
I mean, I mean, were they cool with each other?
With dropping at the bars? I mean, it's it's it's

(56:56):
currently Bro. You don't think I mean, I wouldn't slapped
them up there on stage like that. I don't know
that I wouldn't. I wouldn't have went up on that. Well,
you don't know. I do know what that's like trying
to tell Will Smith how to feel You don't know that.
That's like somebody trying to tell you how to feel. Well,
I know I'm smarting than that. Its facial special showed

(57:16):
me that it was a little bit more behind. I'm
gonna tell you something, bro, I don't know if I
would have done it or not. I don't know. I
would hope I wouldn't have done it. I would have
hope I had restraint and went to the bad because
because I know, because I know the because or something
like that. I would hope that I would have had
that restraint. But I'm not sure if I would have
had it, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I think

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I think we should slap all disrespect. Maybe not in
that setting, again, I think we should slap out all
disrespect in general. I think we should. Yeah, I mean,
just think about who we do we get into it.
Somebody step on your shoes, but you're gonna let somebody
disrespect your woman you're not gonna say nothing. People didn't

(58:03):
get shot over that. That's true. Okay, I'm I'm gonna
stay get back, and I wouldn't. I wouldn't let either slide.
You know what. Let me say when I was you're
not gonna disrespect my woman. But as far as like
stepping on my shoe when I was younger, I would
take supreme sense to something like that. Somebody stepped on

(58:27):
my shoe and just excuse me. See things like man,
you say excuse me, you know, like say excuse me
because you know that's what that's what happened with me.
And be a build and say excuse me. You know
when he bumped the first time, my man him, he
didn't say excuse me, bumped me and then say excuse me,
and that's what set me off. Like man just said
excuse me. Just be a gentleman of body, you know,

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because I bumped the people. Anytime you're in a crowded space, especially,
you know you're gonna bump into people whatever, you might
step on somebody incidentally, you know what I'm saying. Accidentally
and you just say, hey, man, my fault, my bad.
They ain't got they don't make you look weak. In fact,
I feel like it makes you look stronger. You know,
a man, I bad and keep it moving to be
a gentleman abody. But somebody just do it and didn't
act like you know, like you're nothing, like you wasn't

(59:10):
even there. Don't don't apologize, especially when you're willing to
do it yourself. That that get under my skin. Man,
I'm having an asked with tech man. Yeah, Asma, do
your thing. He didn't do y'all funny like that. His

(59:35):
birthday is a few days away. Man, his birthday is
eight days after mine. That's my guy. He's a scarpio.
How many decades I've been going at this? Three decades?
Three decades? I tell him, Man, I'm gonna die, he said.
I didn't say kick. I do not curse. I'm a Christian.

(59:58):
Hey man, I'm done. Man, Do you do you? Do
you have any more um uh things that you want
to address? Because I'm sick of will. You're sick of
will name will? Ain't that I can do about that? Man,
I can't breathe. You know, we were talking about He's glad.

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I got as with Tech. I didn't sound mad. I said, Asthma,
do your thing, well that sounds happy to me. I'm
just saying, you know, like asthma, do you thing? Man?
You know they ain't hating nothing like that. That sounds like,
hey man, what's next show? You know? Man? For me,
I got I got a lot of stuff coming up.
I got a TV show coming up, My god, TV show.
I'm on TV show IM working on right now. What

(01:00:41):
with Uh it's a comedy. It is a comedy comedy.
I got you way funny and him got a comedy show.
So I'm doing that next fighting obviously, and then I
got some other business stuff I'm doing as well. But
if I would share some light on anything, especially being
in here and sat not St. Louis Houston. Um, we

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can't go off the show without talking about what happened
the other day. I don't know when the show gonna aaron,
when it's gonna come out, but we lost somebody in
the in the community um of music, and just yet
again that sad thing. And I just want to send
condoless to his family, to take off family, to anybody
he left behind. I don't know if he has kids,

(01:01:24):
but I just know in general, UM, we gotta find
a way to stop this because culture is music and
these artists can't go around and do their job. But
I'll feeling, man, Yeah, that Shu really really cut man,
the most dangerous career and really cut man. Uh, he

(01:01:49):
was dope, can I be read? He was dope. I
mean my son was talking about that. He was slept
on for a long time, for a long as time.
But man, the boy was and he wasn't even not
in no ship though, you know what I mean, like
no ship man, God damn. Yeah. But we got all

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these eye openers over and over again. It's like what
do we do? Like you know what I mean, these
artists they're going out here and they're entertaining and they're
bringing so much life to music. Everybody, white, black, green,
purple orange. They selling all these shows. But how do
we protect them? We we we we have to reinstall
instructions to the game. Oh Jeeves, gotta let these young

(01:02:36):
kids know that. I have to let me installed the instructions. Man,
you know right now, the instructions was when we went
to go do anything in the city, we did what
we had to do, and we got the fun back

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to our rooms. We got back on base. If we
we went to the club, we all went to the
club together and we knew, we knew coming in there,
we knew leaving here that that was their town. Yeah,
and whatever the fun the head going on in they town,
that's what went on in they town. We're stayed in

(01:03:18):
our lane. We're stayed in our lane. Bro see jack
boys right now glorified and then the pandemic boys. Man,
But but it's making the it's making it. It's like this,
You've got people that are glorifying that, especially when the pandemic.
It's nothing to be mass. Your identity is covered anyway
because everybody got a mask on, right, So you got that,

(01:03:40):
and then you got the culture. Now that's really flashy.
So much jury, so much money and face, so much this,
so much that so now people are glorifying in their
music robbing people, right, So the violence is already gonna
jump to the roof. And you got people if I
know he in here and he got this on me,
or now we get into an altercation, it becomes pride.

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Pride's been taking us off for so many years, but
it's misplaced. Pride seems to be proud about the wrong ship,
you know, like that you should be proud about being
able to take care of your family, you know, being
there for your children, to see your kids raised by
you and not another man. You know, you should be
proud that that. You know, you you were able to

(01:04:22):
buy your parents a house after they've taken care of
you for your whole life, you know, to be able
to retire your grandmother. You know, that's just that's the
ship you should be proud of. You should be proud
that you escape the traps that they got out here
for you. They got these traps everywhere for us. You
should be proud that you were able to escape and
you didn't let them send you to the penitentiary. May

(01:04:43):
maybe you made a mistake or whatever, and then you know,
the lawyers got you out of a gym. You said, okay,
I learned my list nobody. That's the type of ship
you should be proud of. Be proud that you sent kids,
you sent your kids to college and they got degrees
or you know, they're self sufficient, independent adults. Be proud
the ship like that. We're proud of the wrong type
of ship. You're proud of ship that you don't own,

(01:05:04):
and ship that you don't control. You know, that's the
ship that we're proud of and the ship makes absolutely
no sense. And it all stems from a lack of
self esteem. You got these big dudes out here running
around at with these guns, and everybody got a gun,
and they think the gun gives them the power. When

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if the gun gave you that much power, why is
it that somebody can take the gun away from you. Yeah.
So these guys, no matter how big they all, no
matter how dangerous they say they are, once they go
out there and do something dummy, uh, when people come
and get them and they just go freely. But but
before the people come, they gorill us. They kill us,

(01:05:48):
they carrill us. Nobody can stop them. They uncontrolled, the
uncontrolled them. The moment them people come in, they acquiesque.
They fall back, you know, they fall back, and they
take take whatever those people give them, fifty years, sevnty years,
eighty years, a hundred and ninety years, whatever, and they
go do that time whether they like it or not.

(01:06:10):
They bow the funk down. But why do you why
you gotta go through all of that when you see
people before you going through it already and already losing
their lives, already putting their mama's on the front row,
already abandoned, their abandoning their children, already spending all of
their days and something in a damn cage with grown ass.

(01:06:33):
Man's going men going to take showers? Uh, dickor ass?
You know? Uh standing Dicta asked with men in a shower,
bro Like, why would you put yourself in that position?
When you see it's happening to everybody else? Why would
you go through all of that? It makes absolutely no sense.

(01:06:53):
Doesn't get our brothers the way to cost before they do?
You know what they gotta do. You gotta get You
gotta do what I learned to do. Love my self,
because when you love yourself, you ain't gonna put yourself
in certain predicaments. You're gonna change the way you eat.
When you love yourself, it's hard. You it ain't just
gonna be the best. You know, it's not gonna just

(01:07:15):
be about who you decide you're gonna hang around. It's
gonna be you're gonna take care of your body and
your your your your mind and your spirit in every sense.
And you you just it's certain kind of energy. You're
not gonna even put yourself around. Once you learn uh
to love yourself you say, you know what them foods

(01:07:36):
over that. They shoot at that club every damn week.
It's a damn shooting over that. I think I'm not
gonna go over there because they shoot over there and
the people that go there seem like they don't like living.
I like living right, you know, dude, this ship feel good.
This is motherfucker this oxygen. This ship feels good to

(01:07:56):
make if you've heard about what happened with us when
we when he was when we was supposed to say, um,
play ball with the Astros, we were getting ready to
do our world serious thing or whatever, and Willie went
into his speech, but he gave a similar speech like
that at Many may part. And that's why we didn't

(01:08:19):
get a chance to say playball because they cut his
mic off. Ladies and gentlemenmen's it's been great. It's been
great conversating with you guys. It's been great having Tiring.
Appreciate your mom. Look, it's been great having Tiring on

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the show. Thank you for coming on the show. And
I appreciate you guys. I appreciate and um yeah I
got some game too at that ship. Man. I'm just
here that the antagonize him to bring it out, but
he's dope with this ship. But thank you for coming out, Bro,
I'm glad to be here. For sure, for sure, we
gotta do it again. This episode was produced by A

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