February 5, 2025 • 44 mins
Cordie Walker, the mind behind GolfWell (formerly Golf Science Lab), joins the show to talk speed training, performance, and golf science. From his personal goal of hitting 180 MPH ball speed to insights from top experts like Luke Benoit, Mark Blackburn, and Claude Harmon, we break down the technical, physical, and mental aspects of speed training. Plus, Cordie shares key takeaways from the PGA Show and how the latest gear, training systems, and research can help golfers at every level. Connect with Cordie: https://golfwell.co/ @cordie_golfwell
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to the Golf Fitness Bump Squad.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm your host, Chris Finn, and today I'm very excited
to have another nerd with me who loves science, who
loves speed, and has really.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Been around the industry kind of.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We started similar times back in twenty fifteen, and if
you don't know him, his name is Cordy Walker, and
I'm very excited to have him with us today.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Cordy, thank you so much for being on the show
with us.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, thanks for having me. It took me too long
to get this scheduled, so my apologies, but I am
pumped to finally be here.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
This is great.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
What's the beauty of a podcast. It's evergreen, so once
we get it done, it's here forever. So yes, But yeah,
I think obviously we first met when you were originally
under a Golf Science Lab, and I know you've recently
rebranded to Golf Well, so well, obviously we'll get into
that as we go. But I think the big goal
that I had today of bringing you on is you
are one of the few people that I'm aware of
that has basically talked to so many of the experts,
(01:01):
if not all of them, in the world of speed,
from the technical side to the equipment side, the you know,
the science in terms of training, the skill of speed,
the fitness, I literally everything. So yeah, I think kind
of would love to just start and I know you
have a personal journey to you one hundred and eighty
ball speed, and let's just start there, like like where
did where did that desire come from?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And you know, just kind of how did we end
up to where you are now?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So last year I sat down in the beginning of
twenty twenty four and I was like, all right, what
am I going to do?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Like what's my golf goal for the year?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yea, And I was getting back I wanted to play
in competitive golf again. I hadn't played much and it
was just kind of my golf ambition was pretty lifeless.
I didn't practice, didn't play that much, and didn't really
know what I was doing.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
It sound like you're building a business or something.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, yeah, And so it was one of those things
like all right, I could say like all right, I
don't want to, you know, play well in a tournament
or lower my handicap or something. I was like, no,
like I'm not gonna it's not going to change anything
about what I'm going to do. Right, I'm still I'm
not going to practice and I'm still going to have
a bad attitude about it. So like what would what
couldn't mix it up? And so I was like, man,
let's set like a small goal that could kind of
(02:09):
change from my habits about my year maybe, And so
that's where that kind of came from. I was like,
all right, let's do speed. I've never hit one eighty
ball speed. That means that I can kind of like
hit the golf ball solidly and swing it fast. Maybe
it'll make me think about like what I eat. I
might start working out. I'm a classic, like I've never
worked out my whole life kind of person and really
(02:30):
struggle to do that. And so like maybe if I
kind of set this different goal around golf, I can
change a bunch of habits. It'll make me play golf
practice and then that'll help my whole game as well
at the same time.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Right, So like.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's honestly where it all started. I was trying to
figure out how to hack myself to do to change
some stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So what speed did you start at?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So I like went and maxed out around and around
like mid one seven. I think it was one seventy six.
It was like the fastest possibly get to And I
was like, that was like me just trying all and
I got it once and kind of like barely got
it and yeah, so that was the starting point of like.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
And where was your So that was so we would
call it when we do a lot of our testing
and research, we call it kind of all out club speed.
Where was like your gamer speed, like you're just your cruising.
What were you typically at?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, like one higher, one sixties was probably I would
play golf.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, it's about seven or eight mile an hour jump
to all out if you did it.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So then so let's talk talking about the journey then
of twenty twenty four. Who you talked to? I mean
like like how'd you get there?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
No, I had an awesome year.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Like I honestly have to pinch myself at how how
cool it is to get to do what I get
to do, Like it's just such a huge, huge blessing.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
So yeah, some of the.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Things I did throughout the year. So Luke bin Woa
he founded Ripstick. He's just up the road in Minneapolis.
So I started up there to know him. He's he's
an awesome guy, so interesting the way he thinks about it.
So we started there and he we started like for
speed for me, started talking about just a few technical
things of like you know, longer backswing, like can I
get my almost like get my elbow kind of up
(04:05):
and a route. So it's like very technical things to
get started with. And like what I learned along the
way is that there are a lot of like technical
hacks that you yeah do right, and I just didn't
know any of them going into it. Like that's why
I had this limitter of like I just simply didn't know.
Like now I probably have a list of like ten
different things that I've learned along the way, Like, yeah,
(04:27):
test all ten of these, and I guarantee that like
three of these will help you, like help you faster
right of it, you know, and you pick up all
these little like things that you test. So yeah, Luke
ben Wah Mark Blackburn went really deep with Mark. We
were force plates, three D all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
That was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I mean, what a what a cool opportunity to learn
from the number one instructor.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, So let's go back to benwa so and this
is fairyone listening the way I think about speed that
I think of it like a pizza pie. And there's
like four quadrants. Sounds like you started and what I
would call the technical quadrant, right, so I love to
let's start diving in there. The other's going to be equipment,
and then there's obviously mobility, and then there's you know
four strength.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
The bottom two are more physically oriented.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
But so with ben Wi it sounds like increasing length
of backswing, which obviously would increase impulse, which is just
more time to create more force. Yeah, but you know
what you said, there's ten, so I mean at least
you at least give us like three.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Oh, I'll go back the backswing. The backswing one is huge,
and I think most people think about that wrong. It's
almost like it's so hard to make a longer backswing
because you feel like you lose sight of the ball
if you do it. You actually make a longer backswing, right,
and you properly do it going for it, you almost
feel like where's my head going?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Like I've lost the ball here?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah, yeah, I can't see anything, and you like you
really get freaked out, right, Like, so maybe start with
a phone golf ball or like something, don't do it
in your house would be a suggestion. Luckily, I've only
hit the metal out frame of my simulator and haven't
gone through the family room wall.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
You should see the walls in our place here. We
have two sims here. I mean there's there's there are
holes in walls that you're like, how the hell did
that happen?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Well, hey, you're not trying. If you're not, you know,
hitting weird.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
If you don't make at least one idiot Mark, I
don't know what you're doing exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Well, honestly.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
That So that is something from Luke which I think
was huge because we also filmed the video on learning
with phone golf balls. Yeah, because most of us attach
how we hit the ball to the quality of the
change of movement that we've made when the two things
there should not be related in any capacity.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And the input in that there's so many variables from
that input to get that output that yeah, there's it's
a correlation, but certainly not causational, which is the problem
with that.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yet, if I'm trying to make a longer back swing,
it doesn't matter how I hit the golf ball. If
my goal is to like try to like break out
and go way.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Back here, right, you know exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So anyways, yeah, I think a lot of people sleep
on the longer back swing, and it's a lot harder
than you might think it is to actually pull that off. Like, yeah,
I'm when I watch the long drive guys and you know,
they get high and they're.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Just like you can't see the ball from back there.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I think it's the To me, it's one of the
funniest things we do. We work with most of the
top ten guys, and so like we had it, we
did a long drive night for our members and we
had a couple of those guys come over and so
they did like a demo and then of course the
members were like, teach me how to do it, and
to what you're saying is whene hundred percent. The you know,
they give them like the long drive driver, which a
makes it longer, right, and then they're coaching them to
(07:19):
you know, make a full turn, hands high, and these
guys they get to there and they it's like they
just forget what to do. And the number of the
number of guys like amateurs, you know, forty to sixty
that just missed the ball the toe like the ball
going everywhere. We literally had we made them move closer
to the sim so that they would we knew it
(07:40):
was going sideways. But yeah, to your we've seen that
one hundred times whenever we see those guys come in
and like try to the amateurs, like how do you
hit it so hard?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Step one, get get longer, and they literally can't hit the.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Ball right right right. It's a hard it's a hard
thing to learn. Okay, So that was one which I
think is probably maybe the most underrated thing that people
should should try. Two is just like that left that
that lead foot like heel, like lifting up and then
stomping down. I mean, that could be huge for a
lot of people. I'm sure you've seen that as well.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
One under and also especially if people don't have the
hip mobility into that lead leg picking up that heel
and then stomping it, they actually can like externally rot
to open their toe a little bit too as they stomp,
which gives them a little bit more mobility into it too.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
But yeah, then the force is all that one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I'd give that an easy that that's probably one of
the easier ones. I think people can find right like
that one's not going to screw you up. I don't
think too much and like make you miss the.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Ball generally not know and a lot of times guys
will just naturally do that when you start coaching the like, hey,
take a bigger back swing that he'l kind of like
lifts naturally. And but okay, so we got heel lift,
we got longer back swinging. Sweet, what it'll be like
you're to round out your top three?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
What would be the third?
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I think the most difficult one for me was what
we were working on with Mark is figuring out how
to best put forces into your lead foot and like
properly rip and then get that push and jump. So
we were doing an Instagram rail where I was throwing
doing the med ball kind of throw jump and rotate
hallway just you know, knocking off all of his awards
(09:11):
and stuff off the wall because I couldn't figure out
how to throw a mental ball on the ground. So
started obviously incredibly uncoordinated, right, I couldn't. My body was
not familiar with how to cope with that and like
how to do that, right, So learning that and then
I've worked on that a lot. Honestly, I still find
it really difficult. I mean, I'm sure you've seen this
(09:32):
one hundred times, but like getting forces down on that
lead foot early enough, everyone's.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Like I'm late, everybody's late. It is so hard to.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Do that soon enough. I think that's a constant journey
that I'll be on to try to better time that up.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And you definitely are. You definitely are not alone.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
But to your to your point, I think what we've
seen is that's I think this is one of the
things that I think a lot of like the tour
guys that I'll use, Aha, he's around like so skinny.
But when you look at when they apply those forces,
like when guys are like baffled, like how does that
guy get that speeds, it's because they apply their forces
literally are peaking their verticals like almost before the transition
(10:14):
of their downswing. And I think that's when we look
at measurements of like an amateur versus a top collegiate
or pro guy. They literally will apply the same maximum
vertical forces. The problem is the amateur applies them after
he's already hit the damn ball, yeah, versus you know
how early that the pro hits it, and it's I
would agree that that's one of the hardest things for
a lot of guys to figure out.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, I and I that is still one of those
things that like I have not I'm sure have not
improved that as much as I need to.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Just I've found that is.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I mean, I don't know what you've seen, but that
seems to be like a tough thing to like that's.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Definitely one of the harder ones.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I'd say, your number one number two are definitely you know,
I think you ordered them very well. Number one and
number two are stuff that like, hey go try that today.
You know that third one definitely takes some time. I
mean that's a motor pattern adjustment that needs to occur
for sure. So all right, so those are our top
three and then what about now you go to Now
you go to Blackburn?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yes, yes, well Blackburn was that with that?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Was that's true?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
If you were doing force plates, that would make sense.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, yeah, and that was you you actually nailed it.
I can apply plenty of vertical force, right, like more
than tour pros. So the force's creation is there, it's
just not it's like I just say, it's not getting
to the club right, so I'm stuck at that that
speed that I'm at.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Sure, so how would you This will be really cool
for him and listen, you know, going down and getting
to be on the force plates as a golfer looking
to increase your speed, you know what we're obviously timing
of vertical. You know what other stuff did you and
Mark kind of talk about that you took away that
was helpful? This is That's something that I find a
lot of guys come in or girls and they're like
kind of don't even know what to ask or what to.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Let you know, what to think.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, well, well, I think going into that lesson, like
any lesson like that, with a clear goal is so important, right,
and not just rocking up and saying like yeah I
want to get more consistent like that, that's rough, but
go in and say like, hey, I'm just like I
need to get to one ady ball speed.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Like what are the how how can I do that?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Like it's like so I think that's there's something to
that of like a crystal clear like help me do
this and it helps the line of.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Coach and you know kind of yeah, for sure, ready
to go.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
But Mark is great at like all of his tactics
in the way that he teaches, So not just like hey,
we're not just going to look at this video and
show you, but like all the ways that you could
feel how this goes, So throwing medballs, spinning in chairs, jumping,
you know, using bands, oh gosh, I forget the words
(12:46):
word that he calls that, but like like we have
to pull against him, you know, like there's all these
things of different feedback and the tactics that he's using
to try to get you to chain.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Just like using the kinesthetics out of learning and whether
it's resisted assisted or yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, And that's a sign of a great coach, right
if they have a big bag of teaching tactics.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Got seven different ways to try to get you to
feel one thing. Yes, yes, versus the guy you go
do and it's like just do this, you know, like
but it doesn't work, but just do it more.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yes, yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And then you also, I know I saw you and
Claude Harmon got to do some stuff together too. I mean,
I'm assuming he's been part of this journey as well.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
So he was I went down there and a little
bit different with him. We haven't released it yet, it's
coming out soon. Here the videos with him.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well, don't then, don't definitely don't give away too much.
Let's tease it a little bit for everyone.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I will, but he like what was really interesting is
he was putting a little bit meat to the test
of like he's all about like execution, honestly, is what
I take away from him is like he really is
like look at his player roster right, like they execute,
Like they're just really good at like playing well and
scoring well. And so what the biggest sakeaway is like
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he so we did one thing where it was like
he had me running back and forth to get my
heart right up across his range. So sprinting back and forth,
heart is up, and then he's having me like, all right,
now you got to hit drives in here. If you
don't hit I forget X number in the fairway, then
it's like you've got to do pushups, like if you
don't hit our target here, yeah, and like, holy cow,
did that get tough? And also holy cow, did my
(14:24):
ball speed drop like went down?
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Which was which I was.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Really interested in because you get all like heart rates
up plus is trying to hit in a fairway, and
like I swear that I got slower and more inaccurate
than if I'm just like out there, you know, trying
to wail at it.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
So yeah, anyways, I.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Really loved like that emphasis on execution and like, how
are we going to do this thing now?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
That's cool? Which is so?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Then any other any other coaches that you saw kind
of on the road to one eighty on the technical
or anything in the technical side that you know that
you took away from the air.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah, let's see Johnson Claire was awesome in Dallas. We
so that was kind of the equipment side. I'll jump
over there real quickly.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
But that was like going through a proper, proper fitting.
I mean, it was really fun to see all my
work start to turn into distance as a golfer, Like
it's fun to you know, see numbers improve and swing faster,
but then when you start to see a go farther
because you're in the right driver, like huge I did
(15:28):
from that, I've played around with forty five and a
half and forty six inch drivers as well, which was fun.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
What was that like you just adding a half inch
or in it like it or doesn't even not even enough.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
A huge difference.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Honestly, I've done a lot of testing with it, and
the forty six is two to three mile an hour faster.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
The forty five and a.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Half is feels a little bit more manageable and like
the contact might be a little bit better with it,
But the forty six is is definitely faster. So I
put that in the bag even though John said to
play the four five and a half.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
That's all good golfer shit.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah, so that was eye opening. That was really fun.
And then what else did I do? Oh? Mark Crossfield
and Nit Clearwater was out, got to pick their brains
in that. Crossfield did a bunch of stuff with speed
on his channel. I don't know if folks remember that.
That's probably a couple of years ago now, but kind
of his game. So we kind of had a good
chat about that, just the effort that it takes to
try to gain speed, like the mindset shift, which I
(16:26):
think is huge. Like, I don't know about you, but
I've used speed now as a skill, just like I
would view leg putting or whatever else do we talk about? Yeah,
and not many people train.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So have you found that it's I'd be curious kind
of if you've had to develop any acts or if
you've struggled with this. Well, we see with a lot
of guys and girls that come in, they're chasing speed.
We'll have them do speed training, and it's really hard,
you know, live with balls, you know, and it's really
hard for people to not care where the ball goes
and just look at So we've had to actually like, well,
(16:58):
one week, somebody comes in and does we actually take
the like the image of where the ball's trace and going,
we take that off. It's literally just club speed ball
speed and it's you know, and basically anyway, So that
being said, I mean, have you had to identify or
kind of have you struggled with that at all or
(17:18):
noticed like hey if I don't have the trace on,
I have a better session, or has that really not
been an issue for it.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
That's interesting to say that, I like, I've found that
I hit it better when I if I'm going faster.
So interesting, Yeah, and then I so honestly, I haven't
had any issue with it. It's just like when I
go and I am like speed train like watching it,
then it's like I'm I'm good with it. I haven't
had an issue.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
You haven't had an issue.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, Yeah, it's definitely something we've seen with with with
Maybe it's I'm thinking of the type of golfer that
it is. It's probably more the high sink like eight
to nine and above handicaps because to your I guess
to your point, yeah, if you get guys swinging faster,
they tend to actually hit it better sometimes, which is.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Wild for them.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But we've had some guys where we literally you cannot
have the trace on because they just cannot get over.
You'll be like, wow, hey, that was your best ball
speed ever, and you're like, but it's in the trees.
Were like, yeah, we don't care about that.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah no.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I And that is an interesting point you bring up
of like also like what are you training for You
training club at speed or are you training ball speed,
because I think they are kind of separate, very different.
I think it's kind of identifying what are we what
are we doing here as well making sure that those
those two are aligned.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Have you had different like phases in the year where
you maybe focus more on I'm just working on club
speed and I'll get once I can get the club
speed up. Then I'm gonna work on center face contact
and the buy. I know the ball speed will be there.
Have you Have you just said I'm going hard as
I can and I'm only looking at ball speed.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
How have you kind of approached it?
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Good? Good question.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
So I'm not the best example of how to game
speed because I did not train very well throughout.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
So you're like every listener listening, I'm like every person, yes,
which makes you the greatest example. So, like I started
focused on clubhead speed with the ripstick. I have the
stack as well.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I've used that, but honestly, like once a week, I
was like lucky to do once a week to be
okay if that. But I did start like ramping up
clubs and real on club at speed, and then I
kind of transitioned to I feel like it's a confessional,
so I'm not perfect. Then I kind of haven't done
(19:28):
that honestly much. And I've just spent every speech Raine
just hitting balls and just like going faster and my
over Like since September, it's kind of focused, like I'm
trying to work out more.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I went and saw.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Colby two ya done in Jupiter, just great, So kind
of has a bit of a plan now of like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
So let's ship, let's let's shift to the fitness side,
where that's the other part of the pies that that
guys can think about when they're gaining speed. What was
that like going down there, Like, what'd you guys identify?
What's what's kind of the plan look like for you?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, well, I feel like this is my Okay, let
me jump ahead.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I got to one.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Two is my max ball speed on the year, right,
so acomplish a goal and now I can hit one
ad Like honestly if we if I needed to, I
could go do it right now kind of know how
to do it, how to do it now, And I
feel like the limiting factor is the body though now,
like going down there, realizing like I don't have glutes,
I don't have hamstrings, I don't have a core, like
(20:27):
I don't have there. It's not like they're not strong,
like I don't have them, They're not there. So like
identifying that as like, well, you know, maybe if you
know you got those and developed them a little bit
and got stronger, I just I mean he he immediately pinpointed,
you know just how unstable I am? How you know
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weak it is, and the mobility and like and the
strength and combining it all together. It was just like immediate.
So that's been I've been kind of pivoting to work
on that, which is which has been huge.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Have you had any like physical breakdown or anything during
the year, like injuries pains that have kind of popped
up in.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Regards to not in the past, but the screening speed,
I haven't.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Yeah, that's awesome, seriously.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So I think that's one of the interesting things that
we see is a lot of guys will start going
after speed.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Now you're you're not even are you even forty yet?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
No, I'm thirty two.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, you're yeah, you got nine more years before when
you look at the population deady fall off the cliff
at forty one, so you're you're good, Yeah, exactly. But
that's I think that's one of the things we look
at when we look at we have what we call
like a safe speed calculator. We can plug in based
on physical metrics and people can see like, hey, this
is how fast you can you know, very confidently you
can swing this fast and not really have to worry
about much. You start going above and beyond that, which
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you can with technique and with equipment and just just intent. Yeah,
that's where the chances of injuries and those sorts of
things come into play. And what it ends up happening
is I was using analogy. It's like you're driving a
like a little small or cylinder, right, and you're just
redlining every time you're you know, let's say you're trying
to hit one eighty two and one eighty balls being
you're just redline, red line, red line, eight thousand, nine
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thousand RPMs. But you can move that that red line
to nine ten thousand RPMs, you upgrade to a six
eight cylinder all of a sudden, that speed is not
a problem, right, that's just kind of cruising.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I think that's what a lot of guys run into
when it comes to speed side of things.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, well I think my the other breakthrough that I had,
and you're gonna laugh because it's very obvious, but like
doing a workout before speed training is like immediate couple
miles an hour, Like interesting, what kind of workout?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Mobility?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And like so what yeah that makes sense? How do
I describe Colby stuff? I apologize Colbe and my representation
and what he told me. So a lot of like
I've been, I've been focused on my leg because I
had a knee injury as well, like a couple of
years ago, So I've been It's a lot of it,
like a lot of squats, a lot of rotation, loading,
trying to load in load stuff. This is this is
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pathetic my descriptions here, so I apologize, But like trying
to load be mobile and then yeah, glutes hands.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
It's like mobility.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And then I would imagine like some putting you in
some instable positions with some bands or those sorts of
things to put a little load to challenge the stability
in those positions anything, And we say squatting, was it
like heavy loads or was it more just hey can
I be stable in.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
That in those positions? Like what sort of loads are
you talking?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Some?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, when I was down there, we were doing yeah,
like forty pound goblet squats, box jumps that kind of
stuff as well. Yeah, but would I've done that home
and then hit balls after it?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Is just like yeah, so that's all nervous system potentiation.
So just for everyone listening, So everything that Cordy just
described basically will the improving the mobility, get it loading
and instability will basically prime your nervous system. So basically
it like wakes it up and put the almost kind
of in a way removes the governor, which would be
one hundred percent. Why then you would go and see improvements.
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The one caution, just for those of you listening who
are thinking what Cordy says, is go do five y
three deadlifts at eighty five percent of your max and
squat and then go do speed training. Your speeds will
not be higher because you will have fatigued out the
glycolytic system and everything. So what I think that's that's
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an very important point that you've stumbled on, right, is
doing the right type of workout pre speed training actually
can improve the performance of those speed trainings.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Well, and then it makes me kind of like question
everything of like, well, crap, if I ever want to
go play golf now and like hit it normally, Like
now I gotta go do this.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Dude, you gotta go activation. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, It's like we're all just so silly.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Damn you kolbe. Now I have more work to do
before I play.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I know, I know now that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Why, Like tour players have to go and they go
do a thing and then they go like yeah, but
it just it makes you kind of just laugh at
yourself and like we expect to just like go play
golf and then just we rock up and then we're
ticked off if we don't hit it far enough or
like hit it well. Well, like you didn't do anything
to get ready, so like why would you expect to.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, I showed up.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I showed up at you know, at noon for my
my twelve fifteen tea time, I got my transfusion, like
I prepped, like I'm ready to go.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
No, I mean it's it's really obvious, like this is
a performance sport, like you've got you can Yeah, obviously
if you don't want to do it, great, like I
sometimes I'm sure I'll do that, but other times I
would like to play well, So I should probably do
these things to help me get to my best state.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, So obviously you've gotten to talk to some of
the smartest, you know people in the industry. You know,
you on all all fronts, right the fitness side, the
equipment side, the technical side, what you know, what are
some of the more interesting kind of findings or surprises
that you've had. Yeah, you know, not even related to speed,
but you know, just in general. Obviously we've been doing
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what you've been doing for you know, like a decade
essentially at this point, and what are some of the
more interesting things that you found that you feel like
the average person just would have no idea.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, well, I'll keep it on speed because this is good.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
But like so all these coaches, obviously working with you know,
top sure pros, they pretty much across the board, everyone
is also chasing speed. So like it's not you know,
just me doing a you know, goofing off, but also
like the best in the world, they all want to
hit it faster.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Speed is related to dollars in their pocket.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yes, yes, yes, So like don't feel I feel like
there's a stigma of like you shouldn't you know, chasing
speed is silly, and like don't don't overswing, and I
mean that's what we all were taught growing up, right,
like don't swing hard, like swing you know, swing softly.
And anyways, we all heard it growing up in high school,
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I'm sure, but but now it really is like everyone's
doing it from the top, you know, the top players
are doing it, So now it's kind of working its
way down. Obviously we're seeing that with all of the
speed training devices, you know, kind of is that's that
popularity is just like through the roof now, so it is.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Kind of growing.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
But I think more people should do it because it's
a really fun journey as well, and it makes golf
a bit more interesting, healthier habits like as well. And yeah,
I was just shocked at like hearing that, yes, every
this is across the board, like every.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Like hot this is an everyday occurrence.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yes, yes, are all trying to do this.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And see and you mentioned you know stack ripstick. You know,
there's lots of other training devices out there. What's you
know you've obviously done testing with them, you know, obviously
you're the whole premise. The last ten years has been
the science side of it. What's you know, what are
some of the differences or kind of takeaways that you know,
are there some of those systems that are better for
certain people or is it just preference of which one
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you like?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Kind of you know, what have been.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Some kind of takeaways you've you've had from looking at
all the different systems.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, good, good question. Yeah, I'm most familiar with with
stack and ripstick. I think I think they're both great.
I think that if if people use them, they will
get faster at that step point.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
And they're kind of like a treadmill.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I think for a lot of people, right, they buy
them and they just sit in a corner and pick
up dust.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yes, so that's my like, that's my scientific breakdown, like
when you it and use it. I think if you
buy either of them and use either of them, you
will see benefits. I think the hardest part is doing
it though, right, Like I know a lot of people
that have bought them. I know a lot of people
that haven't done it.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
It's like a book, you know, if you I like
buying books and then you put them on the shelf
and you're smarter because it's it's sitting on the because
you bought it. Yeah, exactly, same concept goes for golf
training aids. I think pretty sure at least that's what
I'm going for.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, for sure. What about it?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I know we talked a little bit about your experience
with you know, the ripstick side of things. What about
with Sasha and the stack side and what's what's happened, Like,
what have you learned there?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
As well?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I so I haven't taken a trip. I'm gonna try
to go see Sasha this year. We were just talking
at the show. They just got with a new wedge
kind of program in Stack, which was actually really really dope.
I didn't know this, but he was saying that, so
ninety nine percent of Carrie distance is determined by ball speed,
and so they're simple little radar. It was like, really
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good at at detecting ball speed. So yeah, he was like,
and it doesn't really matter work like left and right,
don't really care about that if you just want to
work on that. So he built like this idea for
combine for wedges. That was fun. That's that was kind
of cool. I sucked when I did it. Oh no,
a thousand dollars. I did not win one thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
There was a freet which day. There was one of
the days. There was one girl I think she had
like two fifteen.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
She was like ten or fifteen, like beyond like it
wasn't even close to anyone else who was behind her.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah, well yeah, yeah, Matt Fitzpatrick was there the first day.
I got two hundred and then she yeah, blew.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, I remember, I remember I was when I was
talking Sasha, she was like, yeah, this grub just came
and smoked like everybody.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, yeah, No.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
So I'm excited to go to go see him this year,
but like, honestly I need to. I do feel stuck,
and I'm curious that you're opinion of this being in
the space. But like I feel like over the next
six to nine months, like I just seem to get
my body in a better position to move faster, like
I I don't know before I go see more people
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and like keep keep going on that journey.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
I just like I have to just work.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I feel like, would you yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
The way I put it's very simple. The way I
look at it from all the research we've done is
I joke that when the food pyramid like was proven
to be kind of silly and you know, no one
kind of looks at it anymore, we saw an opportunity
for rebranding, so we stole the pyramid and then we
put speed stuff in it.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
But I think the way we think of it, if
you think of.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
That pyramid at the bottom is mobility, right, So we've
what we've seen from guys you know ninety five years
old to eight years old to Kyle Berkshire and Culton Castle.
I mean the number one fastest people in the world
is mobility is the number one thing at the bottom
that has to be intact. And when you look at
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the fastest people in the world, if we're chasing speed, right,
if you look at the top end, the fastest guys
in the world are also some who don't get hurt.
Asterisk are the ones who are the you know, number
one and first foremost the most mobile. And what we've
seen is by being able to track injuries relative to
speed and knowing when they happen is based on your
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mobility and your four roadary center. So your hip rotation,
shoulder rotation, trunk quotation, net quotation, there's a you know,
basically a red light green light, just to keep it simple,
but we can actually see what your predicted top end
speed could be. And then you know, once you pass
that level, then you go to level two, which is.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
In your strength.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Right, so's there's one that matters is truly power, which
is strength. You know how much force you can produce
and how fast you can produce it? Right, Strength like
how much you can squad or deadlift like, that's just
how much force you can produce. So what we actually
will look at is power. And when you look at
the two tests, there's a vertical leap test and then there's.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
A seated chest pass.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Those the only two that have actual causational impact on
club at speed. So we can actually test those, right,
and we can see what your upper body push power
or lower body vertical power. And then you start to
see based on where you land, what's your predicted speed. Right,
and so let's say you're at if you're going one eighty,
you're bred around one twenty, then I would guess club
at speed, right. Yeah, So let's say you're one twenty yearly,
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I want to swing one twenty five. I want one
eighty five ball speed whatever may be.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Then we basically what we do we just look in
the data, pull up tabase. All right, what are the
guys that swing one eighty five? What are their physical matters?
Because I think that's one thing that's interesting about golf
is we all sing the same club and the club
has to move the same speed in order to produce that.
You know, to me, the what we talked about earlier.
The ball speed is there's so many things that go
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into that. Really we stop on the fitness side at
club at speed. I can get you club as speed,
I ain't gonna guarantee you ball speed that if you
suck at golf, not my problem, right, Like, I know
guys who can help you with that, but I'm not
going to be the one who helps you hit center
ball face or center face. So I think that's where
we then say, hey, based on what you're trying to get,
if you want to up let's say three miles an hour,
five miles in our clubhead speed, this is what those
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guys can do physically, right, So then it no longer
becomes an age comparison, which is kind of cool, And
then it becomes a output comparison, right, and it says
what are the mobility areas that and what are the
levels necessary at those areas? What are the strength components needed?
I think that's the interesting thing for strength is there's
actually a cap out for deadlift, bench press, squat, where
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like getting stronger than a certain point doesn't Actually there's
there's a diminished point of returns.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I think you're strong enough, and then it.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Becomes more impulse how quickly and how much force can
you produce how quickly? So I think that's where you
then say, you know, what are the power numbers?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Where do you need to be?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
And then it becomes very clear to say, hey, cored,
you want to pick up five miles an hour, or
let's say you just want to swing one eighty or
have one eighty ball speed without like a chance of
getting hurt. What we would say is, hey, you swing
one twenty right now. My guess would be based on
what you said, Kolbe found with you, you're probably your max
safe swing speed. It's probably one ten. Right, So you're saying, hey,
I got a ten mon our gap. How do I
close that?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Well?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
One, let's make sure all your roadary centers work. Two,
let's make sure you're strong enough and able to basically
strength their powers kind of like your brakes. It's the
biggest best analogy there is I've heard out there. You know,
you're driving a portion you got brakes from nineteen eighty
six rusted Honda Civic, like probably gonna be a problem
when you hit a curve going one twenty, you know.
And then I think at that point, for a good
player like you, there's probably not going to be the
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issues you've already explored. The technical side, the transit, the transfer,
we call that the you know basically you know, if
you have the mobility, you have the strength, well then
we would have what it's called transfer training. And it's like, hey,
your engine's big enough, you just don't know how to.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Produce the speed.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
So you kind of went the opposite way, right, That's
what nastly. This is why I said you're a great example.
That's what most golfers do. They go to the instructors,
they go get the different they go get optimized for
their equipment, and then we get them when they get
hurt or like they kind of hit like the sticking
point where you're at.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It's like, well, shoot, like I've done all that, I've
optimized everything else. What do I do? Right?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
And I think that's a your journey is why I'm
so excited to to talk about it with you, because
every single one of you listening right now, like you're
you're on this journey with so that that's literally what
you look at right is you know, I'm sure you
have all that info from Kolbe. It's like, hey, where
do these mobility numbers need to be. Where do my
strength numbers need to be? And you know, or is
it like a power issue, right, which would be more
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like your your box jump your plometrics right, because I
think that's people don't necessarily understand. You could be somebody
who produces power because you're strong, right, So it's like
strength speed, or you could produced a lot of power
because you're really fast, right, like an ox shay right,
or so that force right. I mean, Unfortunately, those guys
start getting hurt in their mid to late twenties when
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they're the spine starts kind of solidifying. It's kind of
that's where it's going to be, and they just don't
have the strength or the breaks they've gotten there because
they're really fast and explosive, they don't have the strength
to support it. So it's so for you that that's
taking that information from Kobe and saying, all right, this
needs to be my folk. You know, check mobility. You know,
if you're doing the right stuff. I mean, that shouldn't
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take you more in four to six weeks here young
probably four weeks, right, they just maintain and it's like, hey.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I just got to get stronger.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I just got to get more powerful, and I think
when we explain it that way for a lot of people,
it becomes pretty simple.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah, I know, And that's that's exactly what I have
to do. And that's like the next six months. I
feel like, So the goal is now, I don't get
to one ninety this year because I feel like it's possible.
I don't feel like it's out of reach. It's eight
mile an hour ball speed from where I ended last year.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, so that's what three two to three club espe Yeah, if.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I can get to one twenty five, one twenty six,
I don't think it's crazy. I like, honestly, my my
biggest thing is like I would never work out. I
would never do any of this crap unless I had
some kind of target like this. So like this for
me is like the best thing I can possibly do,
and I still struggle to do it.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
So like that's why I'm loving this.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
And I have to keep this kind of focus and
then keep telling everybody I'm gonna do this, because then
I have to do it otherwise, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Keeps you accountable.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah yeah, yeah exactly, but like, yeah, no, you nailed it,
Like that's where I went.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Yeah, the wrong way on the pyramid.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
We're working your way down, and.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I don't necessarily think there's a I don't think there's
a wrong way. I just think there's a there's a way,
and I think it's to me. That's why the pyramid
is kind of how I look at like almost like
check right, like foundationally right, you don't build the roof
of a house before you necessarily build a foundation. But
if you get a pre mid house and it comes
out and there's a crack in the slab some point,
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you've got to go fix the crack in the slab, right.
But I think that's just most golfers. It's easier and
it's more, Yeah, I guess accessible for a lot of
people to just hey, I'm just gonna go figure out
how to swing faster. Technically, I'm gonna I'm gonna max
that out. And also just think the American way. That's easier,
that's quicker, right, Oh, just the longer back sime, just
lift my front heel, Okay, cool? Right, and then you're
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gonna go get the equipment side because that again it's
just you know, the pain and suffering the time to
value the time delay to get it is quicker and
then eventually you end up you know, you got to
do the other two at some point, and to your point,
like I want to get to one ninety, yeah, you gotta.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I have to unfortunately address to the physical side. Yeah,
some people start it. It's however, everybody has.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Their own journey, and I think it's just a matter
of understanding what are the components to get there, and
which order you do is.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Up to you.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
But yeah, I want to get into the change that
you've made from the golf Science Lab over to golf well.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, and I'm super.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Curious like where it's from, and nothing you do isn't
well thought out. So and also I just want everyone
just to learn more about what you're doing because it's
so it's so cool and what you do is so great.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
No, I really appreciate it. No.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
So twenty fifteen, I was kind of in the instruction
space because of a software startup that I had that
ended up failing. But I was in the space and
just having a great time, and eventually I sumbled into
like golf research and it's so interesting. Nobody talked about it,
but there's some stuff going on, and so I started
this podcast where I just went and talked to everybody
about motor learning and then biomechanics and then like you know,
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equipment and like all this different stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
It was so fun.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
It did the podcast for a handful of years and
just had a blast. People seem to like it. We
did some virtual summits, it was it was a really
good time. I did that untill about twenty twenty, and
then we kind of fizzled it out, stop traveling for
one just because COVID and whatnot for sure was doing
some other stuff. And then kind of we got back
into it a year and a half ago, two years ago,
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kind of started doing a few making a few videos
and kind of like mildly starting again. And then this
last year we just had just so much fun going
around doing all this stuff. And then everyone seems to
like have is enjoyed watching it, which is which is
so so cool to see just people that you know,
kind of take this on. And so the goal now
is just like there's so much interesting stuff going on
(39:38):
in performance and coaching, how do we make complicated, difficult,
potentially boring things entertaining and like enjoyable to watch. So
like that is our our mission is to make golf
performance interesting, so people like want to watch it, and
then we just go find interesting people doing interesting things
and try to tell those stories. And so that was
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just kind of a shift from golf science that like not
really like we're not it's not all research, it's not
all science. So it's just like this is cool, this
is what someone's doing, Like let's go talk about it,
and so like that, Yeah, and that is the mission.
And honestly, like I've talked about here today, like golf
can help you and all kinds of things, like for me,
it's trying to help me be a healthier person. And
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so like I think there is this like holistic side
of things that I think.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Golf is important.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Why I'm willing to chase down these rabbit holes because
I think it helps us as people as well as
you know, just like shooting lower score same time.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah, for sure, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
I know there's a pitch.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, well, and I know as part of.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
It and that you know, we're both down at the
PGA show and you're not supposed to do this on
an Evergreen podcast, but we're going to date it. But
you know, we're both down at the at the PGA show.
I saw you, you know, filming with a bunch of
different people looking at different products and stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
What was some of the I'm boring.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I only go to the performance areas and then I'm like, yeah, whatever, Okay,
we're good. But you obviously are are looking at all
the cool stuff that's out there. I mean, what were
some of the kind of highlights for you down at
the show.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, the thing that I want in my house is
the foresight and putt view.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
That thing was awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Yeah, but it was so cool because it was like
it wasn't a moving platform. It was just like they
made the slope and they put six holes on it,
and so then they can replicate any slope on any
hole and just flash the light down and there's your
put inside ten feet that had a fifteen feet thing.
If anything that I would want in my house, like
that is what I would want in my house.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Is that right there?
Speaker 3 (41:30):
But yeah, there was there was all kinds of interesting stuff.
I don't know about you. It seemed kind of like
it wasn't a year of like a lot of giant
new things in tech space, Like a lot of people
had updates and stuff. So we were trying to walk
around and find some of that. But there wasn't a
thing of like, oh man, that new tech is going
to be crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
I think that's funny you saw the same thing because
I saw two years ago it was like everybody had
a brand new simulator. Yeah, and then last year everybody
had an AI single camera marker, lists like assessment tool.
There were no more of those were around this year.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
It was kind of funny. There's something like too, there's
only like a couple left now. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I would agree like this year because I always go
in and I'm like, allright, what's the theme going to
be this year? And I to your point, I really
didn't feel like there was a ton of new of
something or it was. It definitely just seemed like people
were kind of, you know, iterating on what they a
lot of the successful things that they already had. And
I'm glad you brought up I've forgotten about that. I mean,
we got space in the facility. We may see we
(42:30):
can put one of those, so great.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I think it was only I think it was only
twenty grand for the Putt video integration thing, So it's fine.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
That's not that's not too bad. We got some room
we can see numbers would love it.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
They would love it.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
You get all your putts inside ten feet and actually
have to make them be sick.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
It would be pretty sick.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
I'll come, I'll come visit and help you set it up.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
How about that sounds good?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
You can be we can do a test on it
for you.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
You can. You can test it.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
So well, Cordy, I don't want to take much more
of your time.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I know you're busy. You got a lot to do.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I can't thank you enough for coming on and hanging
out with me here. For everyone listening, we'll put everything
obviously in the show notes. But I know you have
a newsletter that comes out I think I think every week, right,
that's that's definitely you guys do it as long as
if everyone listening here. I know that you're you're kind
of nerdy like me. I definitely strongly suggest go check
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well dot co?
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Well?
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Yeah, And just like I send out every week, it's
just like if we have new stuff, it's on there.
And then I also like we'll chase down random stuff
that I find interesting and throwing on there.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
So it's worth they don't. I don't put that stuff elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Sure, and then day to day, I know you're active
on Instagram, it was at the best place for people
to follow you or what's that?
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I think?
Speaker 3 (43:34):
So that's probably where we're posting the most. And then
the YouTube is kind of like that's that's where we're
putting all our energy. Is like, okay, sweet best long
form YouTube videos like that's that's where we spend all
of our time. There's a bunch of great guys that
we do that with. So they're over there today. I
don't know what they're working on. But the next thing.
We got a slammed slammed first quarter of twenty twenty five,
(43:56):
so it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Good, amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
And what's the what's the YouTube channels for everyone?
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, if you just startch my named Cordy, c R
die Walker or golf, well it'll come up.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
You can find me awesome cool, Well, everyone go definitely
go check those out. We'll put that on the show
notes for you guys. Cordy, thank you again. Awesome having
me on the show, and we'll look forward to having
you on again probably later this year and.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
See what else is new in the world. Of golf.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
You gotta we gotta come down, and I gotta go
through some of the stuff with you as well. That
would be super fun to do an episode.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Of THEE.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Of the one ninety.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, well, we'll see if we can get Berkshire here
with you, you verse, Kyle, see you see how close
you get so close, and we'll restrict him to a
to a nine iron and yeah we did.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Actually maybe we may have to go pitching, which we'll see.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
That would be good. I like that. I like that, Okay, and.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
All right, cool, awesome.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Thanks so much, Cordy, thanks everyone else for listen, and
we'll cut you on the next episode.
Welcome to the Golf Fitness Bump Squad.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm your host, Chris Finn, and today I'm very excited
to have another nerd with me who loves science, who
loves speed, and has really.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Been around the industry kind of.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We started similar times back in twenty fifteen, and if
you don't know him, his name is Cordy Walker, and
I'm very excited to have him with us today.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Cordy, thank you so much for being on the show
with us.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, thanks for having me. It took me too long
to get this scheduled, so my apologies, but I am
pumped to finally be here.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
This is great.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
What's the beauty of a podcast. It's evergreen, so once
we get it done, it's here forever. So yes, But yeah,
I think obviously we first met when you were originally
under a Golf Science Lab, and I know you've recently
rebranded to Golf Well, so well, obviously we'll get into
that as we go. But I think the big goal
that I had today of bringing you on is you
are one of the few people that I'm aware of
that has basically talked to so many of the experts,
(01:01):
if not all of them, in the world of speed,
from the technical side to the equipment side, the you know,
the science in terms of training, the skill of speed,
the fitness, I literally everything. So yeah, I think kind
of would love to just start and I know you
have a personal journey to you one hundred and eighty
ball speed, and let's just start there, like like where
did where did that desire come from?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And you know, just kind of how did we end
up to where you are now?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So last year I sat down in the beginning of
twenty twenty four and I was like, all right, what
am I going to do?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Like what's my golf goal for the year?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yea, And I was getting back I wanted to play
in competitive golf again. I hadn't played much and it
was just kind of my golf ambition was pretty lifeless.
I didn't practice, didn't play that much, and didn't really
know what I was doing.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
It sound like you're building a business or something.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, yeah, And so it was one of those things
like all right, I could say like all right, I
don't want to, you know, play well in a tournament
or lower my handicap or something. I was like, no,
like I'm not gonna it's not going to change anything
about what I'm going to do. Right, I'm still I'm
not going to practice and I'm still going to have
a bad attitude about it. So like what would what
couldn't mix it up? And so I was like, man,
let's set like a small goal that could kind of
(02:09):
change from my habits about my year maybe, And so
that's where that kind of came from. I was like,
all right, let's do speed. I've never hit one eighty
ball speed. That means that I can kind of like
hit the golf ball solidly and swing it fast. Maybe
it'll make me think about like what I eat. I
might start working out. I'm a classic, like I've never
worked out my whole life kind of person and really
(02:30):
struggle to do that. And so like maybe if I
kind of set this different goal around golf, I can
change a bunch of habits. It'll make me play golf
practice and then that'll help my whole game as well
at the same time.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Right, So like.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's honestly where it all started. I was trying to
figure out how to hack myself to do to change
some stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So what speed did you start at?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So I like went and maxed out around and around
like mid one seven. I think it was one seventy six.
It was like the fastest possibly get to And I
was like, that was like me just trying all and
I got it once and kind of like barely got
it and yeah, so that was the starting point of like.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
And where was your So that was so we would
call it when we do a lot of our testing
and research, we call it kind of all out club speed.
Where was like your gamer speed, like you're just your cruising.
What were you typically at?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, like one higher, one sixties was probably I would
play golf.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, it's about seven or eight mile an hour jump
to all out if you did it.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So then so let's talk talking about the journey then
of twenty twenty four. Who you talked to? I mean
like like how'd you get there?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
No, I had an awesome year.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Like I honestly have to pinch myself at how how
cool it is to get to do what I get
to do, Like it's just such a huge, huge blessing.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
So yeah, some of the.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Things I did throughout the year. So Luke bin Woa
he founded Ripstick. He's just up the road in Minneapolis.
So I started up there to know him. He's he's
an awesome guy, so interesting the way he thinks about it.
So we started there and he we started like for
speed for me, started talking about just a few technical
things of like you know, longer backswing, like can I
get my almost like get my elbow kind of up
(04:05):
and a route. So it's like very technical things to
get started with. And like what I learned along the
way is that there are a lot of like technical
hacks that you yeah do right, and I just didn't
know any of them going into it. Like that's why
I had this limitter of like I just simply didn't know.
Like now I probably have a list of like ten
different things that I've learned along the way, Like, yeah,
(04:27):
test all ten of these, and I guarantee that like
three of these will help you, like help you faster
right of it, you know, and you pick up all
these little like things that you test. So yeah, Luke
ben Wah Mark Blackburn went really deep with Mark. We
were force plates, three D all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
That was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I mean, what a what a cool opportunity to learn
from the number one instructor.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, So let's go back to benwa so and this
is fairyone listening the way I think about speed that
I think of it like a pizza pie. And there's
like four quadrants. Sounds like you started and what I
would call the technical quadrant, right, so I love to
let's start diving in there. The other's going to be equipment,
and then there's obviously mobility, and then there's you know
four strength.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
The bottom two are more physically oriented.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
But so with ben Wi it sounds like increasing length
of backswing, which obviously would increase impulse, which is just
more time to create more force. Yeah, but you know
what you said, there's ten, so I mean at least
you at least give us like three.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Oh, I'll go back the backswing. The backswing one is huge,
and I think most people think about that wrong. It's
almost like it's so hard to make a longer backswing
because you feel like you lose sight of the ball
if you do it. You actually make a longer backswing, right,
and you properly do it going for it, you almost
feel like where's my head going?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Like I've lost the ball here?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah, yeah, I can't see anything, and you like you
really get freaked out, right, Like, so maybe start with
a phone golf ball or like something, don't do it
in your house would be a suggestion. Luckily, I've only
hit the metal out frame of my simulator and haven't
gone through the family room wall.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
You should see the walls in our place here. We
have two sims here. I mean there's there's there are
holes in walls that you're like, how the hell did
that happen?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Well, hey, you're not trying. If you're not, you know,
hitting weird.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
If you don't make at least one idiot Mark, I
don't know what you're doing exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Well, honestly.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
That So that is something from Luke which I think
was huge because we also filmed the video on learning
with phone golf balls. Yeah, because most of us attach
how we hit the ball to the quality of the
change of movement that we've made when the two things
there should not be related in any capacity.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And the input in that there's so many variables from
that input to get that output that yeah, there's it's
a correlation, but certainly not causational, which is the problem
with that.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yet, if I'm trying to make a longer back swing,
it doesn't matter how I hit the golf ball. If
my goal is to like try to like break out
and go way.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Back here, right, you know exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So anyways, yeah, I think a lot of people sleep
on the longer back swing, and it's a lot harder
than you might think it is to actually pull that off. Like, yeah,
I'm when I watch the long drive guys and you know,
they get high and they're.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Just like you can't see the ball from back there.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I think it's the To me, it's one of the
funniest things we do. We work with most of the
top ten guys, and so like we had it, we
did a long drive night for our members and we
had a couple of those guys come over and so
they did like a demo and then of course the
members were like, teach me how to do it, and
to what you're saying is whene hundred percent. The you know,
they give them like the long drive driver, which a
makes it longer, right, and then they're coaching them to
(07:19):
you know, make a full turn, hands high, and these
guys they get to there and they it's like they
just forget what to do. And the number of the
number of guys like amateurs, you know, forty to sixty
that just missed the ball the toe like the ball
going everywhere. We literally had we made them move closer
to the sim so that they would we knew it
(07:40):
was going sideways. But yeah, to your we've seen that
one hundred times whenever we see those guys come in
and like try to the amateurs, like how do you
hit it so hard?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Step one, get get longer, and they literally can't hit the.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Ball right right right. It's a hard it's a hard
thing to learn. Okay, So that was one which I
think is probably maybe the most underrated thing that people
should should try. Two is just like that left that
that lead foot like heel, like lifting up and then
stomping down. I mean, that could be huge for a
lot of people. I'm sure you've seen that as well.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
One under and also especially if people don't have the
hip mobility into that lead leg picking up that heel
and then stomping it, they actually can like externally rot
to open their toe a little bit too as they stomp,
which gives them a little bit more mobility into it too.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
But yeah, then the force is all that one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I'd give that an easy that that's probably one of
the easier ones. I think people can find right like
that one's not going to screw you up. I don't
think too much and like make you miss the.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Ball generally not know and a lot of times guys
will just naturally do that when you start coaching the like, hey,
take a bigger back swing that he'l kind of like
lifts naturally. And but okay, so we got heel lift,
we got longer back swinging. Sweet, what it'll be like
you're to round out your top three?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
What would be the third?
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I think the most difficult one for me was what
we were working on with Mark is figuring out how
to best put forces into your lead foot and like
properly rip and then get that push and jump. So
we were doing an Instagram rail where I was throwing
doing the med ball kind of throw jump and rotate
hallway just you know, knocking off all of his awards
(09:11):
and stuff off the wall because I couldn't figure out
how to throw a mental ball on the ground. So
started obviously incredibly uncoordinated, right, I couldn't. My body was
not familiar with how to cope with that and like
how to do that, right, So learning that and then
I've worked on that a lot. Honestly, I still find
it really difficult. I mean, I'm sure you've seen this
(09:32):
one hundred times, but like getting forces down on that
lead foot early enough, everyone's.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Like I'm late, everybody's late. It is so hard to.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Do that soon enough. I think that's a constant journey
that I'll be on to try to better time that up.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And you definitely are. You definitely are not alone.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
But to your to your point, I think what we've
seen is that's I think this is one of the
things that I think a lot of like the tour
guys that I'll use, Aha, he's around like so skinny.
But when you look at when they apply those forces,
like when guys are like baffled, like how does that
guy get that speeds, it's because they apply their forces
literally are peaking their verticals like almost before the transition
(10:14):
of their downswing. And I think that's when we look
at measurements of like an amateur versus a top collegiate
or pro guy. They literally will apply the same maximum
vertical forces. The problem is the amateur applies them after
he's already hit the damn ball, yeah, versus you know
how early that the pro hits it, and it's I
would agree that that's one of the hardest things for
a lot of guys to figure out.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, I and I that is still one of those
things that like I have not I'm sure have not
improved that as much as I need to.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Just I've found that is.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I mean, I don't know what you've seen, but that
seems to be like a tough thing to like that's.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Definitely one of the harder ones.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I'd say, your number one number two are definitely you know,
I think you ordered them very well. Number one and
number two are stuff that like, hey go try that today.
You know that third one definitely takes some time. I
mean that's a motor pattern adjustment that needs to occur
for sure. So all right, so those are our top
three and then what about now you go to Now
you go to Blackburn?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yes, yes, well Blackburn was that with that?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Was that's true?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
If you were doing force plates, that would make sense.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, yeah, and that was you you actually nailed it.
I can apply plenty of vertical force, right, like more
than tour pros. So the force's creation is there, it's
just not it's like I just say, it's not getting
to the club right, so I'm stuck at that that
speed that I'm at.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Sure, so how would you This will be really cool
for him and listen, you know, going down and getting
to be on the force plates as a golfer looking
to increase your speed, you know what we're obviously timing
of vertical. You know what other stuff did you and
Mark kind of talk about that you took away that
was helpful? This is That's something that I find a
lot of guys come in or girls and they're like
kind of don't even know what to ask or what to.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Let you know, what to think.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, well, well, I think going into that lesson, like
any lesson like that, with a clear goal is so important, right,
and not just rocking up and saying like yeah I
want to get more consistent like that, that's rough, but
go in and say like, hey, I'm just like I
need to get to one ady ball speed.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Like what are the how how can I do that?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Like it's like so I think that's there's something to
that of like a crystal clear like help me do
this and it helps the line of.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Coach and you know kind of yeah, for sure, ready
to go.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
But Mark is great at like all of his tactics
in the way that he teaches, So not just like hey,
we're not just going to look at this video and
show you, but like all the ways that you could
feel how this goes, So throwing medballs, spinning in chairs, jumping,
you know, using bands, oh gosh, I forget the words
(12:46):
word that he calls that, but like like we have
to pull against him, you know, like there's all these
things of different feedback and the tactics that he's using
to try to get you to chain.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Just like using the kinesthetics out of learning and whether
it's resisted assisted or yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, And that's a sign of a great coach, right
if they have a big bag of teaching tactics.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Got seven different ways to try to get you to
feel one thing. Yes, yes, versus the guy you go
do and it's like just do this, you know, like
but it doesn't work, but just do it more.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yes, yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And then you also, I know I saw you and
Claude Harmon got to do some stuff together too. I mean,
I'm assuming he's been part of this journey as well.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
So he was I went down there and a little
bit different with him. We haven't released it yet, it's
coming out soon. Here the videos with him.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well, don't then, don't definitely don't give away too much.
Let's tease it a little bit for everyone.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I will, but he like what was really interesting is
he was putting a little bit meat to the test
of like he's all about like execution, honestly, is what
I take away from him is like he really is
like look at his player roster right, like they execute,
Like they're just really good at like playing well and
scoring well. And so what the biggest sakeaway is like
(14:03):
he so we did one thing where it was like
he had me running back and forth to get my
heart right up across his range. So sprinting back and forth,
heart is up, and then he's having me like, all right,
now you got to hit drives in here. If you
don't hit I forget X number in the fairway, then
it's like you've got to do pushups, like if you
don't hit our target here, yeah, and like, holy cow,
did that get tough? And also holy cow, did my
(14:24):
ball speed drop like went down?
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Which was which I was.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Really interested in because you get all like heart rates
up plus is trying to hit in a fairway, and
like I swear that I got slower and more inaccurate
than if I'm just like out there, you know, trying
to wail at it.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
So yeah, anyways, I.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Really loved like that emphasis on execution and like, how
are we going to do this thing now?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
That's cool? Which is so?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Then any other any other coaches that you saw kind
of on the road to one eighty on the technical
or anything in the technical side that you know that
you took away from the air.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah, let's see Johnson Claire was awesome in Dallas. We
so that was kind of the equipment side. I'll jump
over there real quickly.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
But that was like going through a proper, proper fitting.
I mean, it was really fun to see all my
work start to turn into distance as a golfer, Like
it's fun to you know, see numbers improve and swing faster,
but then when you start to see a go farther
because you're in the right driver, like huge I did
(15:28):
from that, I've played around with forty five and a
half and forty six inch drivers as well, which was fun.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
What was that like you just adding a half inch
or in it like it or doesn't even not even enough.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
A huge difference.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Honestly, I've done a lot of testing with it, and
the forty six is two to three mile an hour faster.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
The forty five and a.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Half is feels a little bit more manageable and like
the contact might be a little bit better with it,
But the forty six is is definitely faster. So I
put that in the bag even though John said to
play the four five and a half.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
That's all good golfer shit.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah, so that was eye opening. That was really fun.
And then what else did I do? Oh? Mark Crossfield
and Nit Clearwater was out, got to pick their brains
in that. Crossfield did a bunch of stuff with speed
on his channel. I don't know if folks remember that.
That's probably a couple of years ago now, but kind
of his game. So we kind of had a good
chat about that, just the effort that it takes to
try to gain speed, like the mindset shift, which I
(16:26):
think is huge. Like, I don't know about you, but
I've used speed now as a skill, just like I
would view leg putting or whatever else do we talk about? Yeah,
and not many people train.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So have you found that it's I'd be curious kind
of if you've had to develop any acts or if
you've struggled with this. Well, we see with a lot
of guys and girls that come in, they're chasing speed.
We'll have them do speed training, and it's really hard,
you know, live with balls, you know, and it's really
hard for people to not care where the ball goes
and just look at So we've had to actually like, well,
(16:58):
one week, somebody comes in and does we actually take
the like the image of where the ball's trace and going,
we take that off. It's literally just club speed ball
speed and it's you know, and basically anyway, So that
being said, I mean, have you had to identify or
kind of have you struggled with that at all or
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noticed like hey if I don't have the trace on,
I have a better session, or has that really not
been an issue for it.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
That's interesting to say that, I like, I've found that
I hit it better when I if I'm going faster.
So interesting, Yeah, and then I so honestly, I haven't
had any issue with it. It's just like when I
go and I am like speed train like watching it,
then it's like I'm I'm good with it. I haven't
had an issue.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
You haven't had an issue.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, Yeah, it's definitely something we've seen with with with
Maybe it's I'm thinking of the type of golfer that
it is. It's probably more the high sink like eight
to nine and above handicaps because to your I guess
to your point, yeah, if you get guys swinging faster,
they tend to actually hit it better sometimes, which is.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Wild for them.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But we've had some guys where we literally you cannot
have the trace on because they just cannot get over.
You'll be like, wow, hey, that was your best ball
speed ever, and you're like, but it's in the trees.
Were like, yeah, we don't care about that.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah no.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I And that is an interesting point you bring up
of like also like what are you training for You
training club at speed or are you training ball speed,
because I think they are kind of separate, very different.
I think it's kind of identifying what are we what
are we doing here as well making sure that those
those two are aligned.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Have you had different like phases in the year where
you maybe focus more on I'm just working on club
speed and I'll get once I can get the club
speed up. Then I'm gonna work on center face contact
and the buy. I know the ball speed will be there.
Have you Have you just said I'm going hard as
I can and I'm only looking at ball speed.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
How have you kind of approached it?
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Good? Good question.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
So I'm not the best example of how to game
speed because I did not train very well throughout.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
So you're like every listener listening, I'm like every person, yes,
which makes you the greatest example. So, like I started
focused on clubhead speed with the ripstick. I have the
stack as well.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I've used that, but honestly, like once a week, I
was like lucky to do once a week to be
okay if that. But I did start like ramping up
clubs and real on club at speed, and then I
kind of transitioned to I feel like it's a confessional,
so I'm not perfect. Then I kind of haven't done
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that honestly much. And I've just spent every speech Raine
just hitting balls and just like going faster and my
over Like since September, it's kind of focused, like I'm
trying to work out more.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I went and saw.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Colby two ya done in Jupiter, just great, So kind
of has a bit of a plan now of like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
So let's ship, let's let's shift to the fitness side,
where that's the other part of the pies that that
guys can think about when they're gaining speed. What was
that like going down there, Like, what'd you guys identify?
What's what's kind of the plan look like for you?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, well, I feel like this is my Okay, let
me jump ahead.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I got to one.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Two is my max ball speed on the year, right,
so acomplish a goal and now I can hit one
ad Like honestly if we if I needed to, I
could go do it right now kind of know how
to do it, how to do it now, And I
feel like the limiting factor is the body though now,
like going down there, realizing like I don't have glutes,
I don't have hamstrings, I don't have a core, like
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I don't have there. It's not like they're not strong,
like I don't have them, They're not there. So like
identifying that as like, well, you know, maybe if you
know you got those and developed them a little bit
and got stronger, I just I mean he he immediately pinpointed,
you know just how unstable I am? How you know
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weak it is, and the mobility and like and the
strength and combining it all together. It was just like immediate.
So that's been I've been kind of pivoting to work
on that, which is which has been huge.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Have you had any like physical breakdown or anything during
the year, like injuries pains that have kind of popped
up in.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Regards to not in the past, but the screening speed,
I haven't.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Yeah, that's awesome, seriously.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So I think that's one of the interesting things that
we see is a lot of guys will start going
after speed.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Now you're you're not even are you even forty yet?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
No, I'm thirty two.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, you're yeah, you got nine more years before when
you look at the population deady fall off the cliff
at forty one, so you're you're good, Yeah, exactly. But
that's I think that's one of the things we look
at when we look at we have what we call
like a safe speed calculator. We can plug in based
on physical metrics and people can see like, hey, this
is how fast you can you know, very confidently you
can swing this fast and not really have to worry
about much. You start going above and beyond that, which
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you can with technique and with equipment and just just intent. Yeah,
that's where the chances of injuries and those sorts of
things come into play. And what it ends up happening
is I was using analogy. It's like you're driving a
like a little small or cylinder, right, and you're just
redlining every time you're you know, let's say you're trying
to hit one eighty two and one eighty balls being
you're just redline, red line, red line, eight thousand, nine
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thousand RPMs. But you can move that that red line
to nine ten thousand RPMs, you upgrade to a six
eight cylinder all of a sudden, that speed is not
a problem, right, that's just kind of cruising.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I think that's what a lot of guys run into
when it comes to speed side of things.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, well I think my the other breakthrough that I had,
and you're gonna laugh because it's very obvious, but like
doing a workout before speed training is like immediate couple
miles an hour, Like interesting, what kind of workout?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Mobility?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And like so what yeah that makes sense? How do
I describe Colby stuff? I apologize Colbe and my representation
and what he told me. So a lot of like
I've been, I've been focused on my leg because I
had a knee injury as well, like a couple of
years ago, So I've been It's a lot of it,
like a lot of squats, a lot of rotation, loading,
trying to load in load stuff. This is this is
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pathetic my descriptions here, so I apologize, But like trying
to load be mobile and then yeah, glutes hands.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
It's like mobility.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And then I would imagine like some putting you in
some instable positions with some bands or those sorts of
things to put a little load to challenge the stability
in those positions anything, And we say squatting, was it
like heavy loads or was it more just hey can
I be stable in.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
That in those positions? Like what sort of loads are
you talking?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Some?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, when I was down there, we were doing yeah,
like forty pound goblet squats, box jumps that kind of
stuff as well. Yeah, but would I've done that home
and then hit balls after it?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Is just like yeah, so that's all nervous system potentiation.
So just for everyone listening, So everything that Cordy just
described basically will the improving the mobility, get it loading
and instability will basically prime your nervous system. So basically
it like wakes it up and put the almost kind
of in a way removes the governor, which would be
one hundred percent. Why then you would go and see improvements.
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The one caution, just for those of you listening who
are thinking what Cordy says, is go do five y
three deadlifts at eighty five percent of your max and
squat and then go do speed training. Your speeds will
not be higher because you will have fatigued out the
glycolytic system and everything. So what I think that's that's
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an very important point that you've stumbled on, right, is
doing the right type of workout pre speed training actually
can improve the performance of those speed trainings.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Well, and then it makes me kind of like question
everything of like, well, crap, if I ever want to
go play golf now and like hit it normally, Like
now I gotta go do this.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Dude, you gotta go activation. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, It's like we're all just so silly.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Damn you kolbe. Now I have more work to do
before I play.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I know, I know now that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Why, Like tour players have to go and they go
do a thing and then they go like yeah, but
it just it makes you kind of just laugh at
yourself and like we expect to just like go play
golf and then just we rock up and then we're
ticked off if we don't hit it far enough or
like hit it well. Well, like you didn't do anything
to get ready, so like why would you expect to.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, I showed up.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I showed up at you know, at noon for my
my twelve fifteen tea time, I got my transfusion, like
I prepped, like I'm ready to go.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
No, I mean it's it's really obvious, like this is
a performance sport, like you've got you can Yeah, obviously
if you don't want to do it, great, like I
sometimes I'm sure I'll do that, but other times I
would like to play well, So I should probably do
these things to help me get to my best state.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, So obviously you've gotten to talk to some of
the smartest, you know people in the industry. You know,
you on all all fronts, right the fitness side, the
equipment side, the technical side, what you know, what are
some of the more interesting kind of findings or surprises
that you've had. Yeah, you know, not even related to speed,
but you know, just in general. Obviously we've been doing
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what you've been doing for you know, like a decade
essentially at this point, and what are some of the
more interesting things that you found that you feel like
the average person just would have no idea.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, well, I'll keep it on speed because this is good.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
But like so all these coaches, obviously working with you know,
top sure pros, they pretty much across the board, everyone
is also chasing speed. So like it's not you know,
just me doing a you know, goofing off, but also
like the best in the world, they all want to
hit it faster.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Speed is related to dollars in their pocket.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yes, yes, yes, So like don't feel I feel like
there's a stigma of like you shouldn't you know, chasing
speed is silly, and like don't don't overswing, and I
mean that's what we all were taught growing up, right,
like don't swing hard, like swing you know, swing softly.
And anyways, we all heard it growing up in high school,
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I'm sure, but but now it really is like everyone's
doing it from the top, you know, the top players
are doing it, So now it's kind of working its
way down. Obviously we're seeing that with all of the
speed training devices, you know, kind of is that's that
popularity is just like through the roof now, so it is.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Kind of growing.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
But I think more people should do it because it's
a really fun journey as well, and it makes golf
a bit more interesting, healthier habits like as well. And yeah,
I was just shocked at like hearing that, yes, every
this is across the board, like every.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Like hot this is an everyday occurrence.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yes, yes, are all trying to do this.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And see and you mentioned you know stack ripstick. You know,
there's lots of other training devices out there. What's you
know you've obviously done testing with them, you know, obviously
you're the whole premise. The last ten years has been
the science side of it. What's you know, what are
some of the differences or kind of takeaways that you know,
are there some of those systems that are better for
certain people or is it just preference of which one
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you like?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Kind of you know, what have been.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Some kind of takeaways you've you've had from looking at
all the different systems.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, good, good question. Yeah, I'm most familiar with with
stack and ripstick. I think I think they're both great.
I think that if if people use them, they will
get faster at that step point.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
And they're kind of like a treadmill.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I think for a lot of people, right, they buy
them and they just sit in a corner and pick
up dust.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yes, so that's my like, that's my scientific breakdown, like
when you it and use it. I think if you
buy either of them and use either of them, you
will see benefits. I think the hardest part is doing
it though, right, Like I know a lot of people
that have bought them. I know a lot of people
that haven't done it.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
It's like a book, you know, if you I like
buying books and then you put them on the shelf
and you're smarter because it's it's sitting on the because
you bought it. Yeah, exactly, same concept goes for golf
training aids. I think pretty sure at least that's what
I'm going for.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, for sure. What about it?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I know we talked a little bit about your experience
with you know, the ripstick side of things. What about
with Sasha and the stack side and what's what's happened, Like,
what have you learned there?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
As well?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I so I haven't taken a trip. I'm gonna try
to go see Sasha this year. We were just talking
at the show. They just got with a new wedge
kind of program in Stack, which was actually really really dope.
I didn't know this, but he was saying that, so
ninety nine percent of Carrie distance is determined by ball speed,
and so they're simple little radar. It was like, really
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good at at detecting ball speed. So yeah, he was like,
and it doesn't really matter work like left and right,
don't really care about that if you just want to
work on that. So he built like this idea for
combine for wedges. That was fun. That's that was kind
of cool. I sucked when I did it. Oh no,
a thousand dollars. I did not win one thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
There was a freet which day. There was one of
the days. There was one girl I think she had
like two fifteen.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
She was like ten or fifteen, like beyond like it
wasn't even close to anyone else who was behind her.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah, well yeah, yeah, Matt Fitzpatrick was there the first day.
I got two hundred and then she yeah, blew.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, I remember, I remember I was when I was
talking Sasha, she was like, yeah, this grub just came
and smoked like everybody.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, yeah, No.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
So I'm excited to go to go see him this year,
but like, honestly I need to. I do feel stuck,
and I'm curious that you're opinion of this being in
the space. But like I feel like over the next
six to nine months, like I just seem to get
my body in a better position to move faster, like
I I don't know before I go see more people
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and like keep keep going on that journey.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
I just like I have to just work.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I feel like, would you yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
The way I put it's very simple. The way I
look at it from all the research we've done is
I joke that when the food pyramid like was proven
to be kind of silly and you know, no one
kind of looks at it anymore, we saw an opportunity
for rebranding, so we stole the pyramid and then we
put speed stuff in it.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
But I think the way we think of it, if
you think of.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
That pyramid at the bottom is mobility, right, So we've
what we've seen from guys you know ninety five years
old to eight years old to Kyle Berkshire and Culton Castle.
I mean the number one fastest people in the world
is mobility is the number one thing at the bottom
that has to be intact. And when you look at
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the fastest people in the world, if we're chasing speed, right,
if you look at the top end, the fastest guys
in the world are also some who don't get hurt.
Asterisk are the ones who are the you know, number
one and first foremost the most mobile. And what we've
seen is by being able to track injuries relative to
speed and knowing when they happen is based on your
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mobility and your four roadary center. So your hip rotation,
shoulder rotation, trunk quotation, net quotation, there's a you know,
basically a red light green light, just to keep it simple,
but we can actually see what your predicted top end
speed could be. And then you know, once you pass
that level, then you go to level two, which is.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
In your strength.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Right, so's there's one that matters is truly power, which
is strength. You know how much force you can produce
and how fast you can produce it? Right, Strength like
how much you can squad or deadlift like, that's just
how much force you can produce. So what we actually
will look at is power. And when you look at
the two tests, there's a vertical leap test and then there's.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
A seated chest pass.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Those the only two that have actual causational impact on
club at speed. So we can actually test those, right,
and we can see what your upper body push power
or lower body vertical power. And then you start to
see based on where you land, what's your predicted speed. Right,
and so let's say you're at if you're going one eighty,
you're bred around one twenty, then I would guess club
at speed, right. Yeah, So let's say you're one twenty yearly,
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I want to swing one twenty five. I want one
eighty five ball speed whatever may be.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Then we basically what we do we just look in
the data, pull up tabase. All right, what are the
guys that swing one eighty five? What are their physical matters?
Because I think that's one thing that's interesting about golf
is we all sing the same club and the club
has to move the same speed in order to produce that.
You know, to me, the what we talked about earlier.
The ball speed is there's so many things that go
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into that. Really we stop on the fitness side at
club at speed. I can get you club as speed,
I ain't gonna guarantee you ball speed that if you
suck at golf, not my problem, right, Like, I know
guys who can help you with that, but I'm not
going to be the one who helps you hit center
ball face or center face. So I think that's where
we then say, hey, based on what you're trying to get,
if you want to up let's say three miles an hour,
five miles in our clubhead speed, this is what those
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guys can do physically, right, So then it no longer
becomes an age comparison, which is kind of cool, And
then it becomes a output comparison, right, and it says
what are the mobility areas that and what are the
levels necessary at those areas? What are the strength components needed?
I think that's the interesting thing for strength is there's
actually a cap out for deadlift, bench press, squat, where
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like getting stronger than a certain point doesn't Actually there's
there's a diminished point of returns.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I think you're strong enough, and then it.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Becomes more impulse how quickly and how much force can
you produce how quickly? So I think that's where you
then say, you know, what are the power numbers?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Where do you need to be?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
And then it becomes very clear to say, hey, cored,
you want to pick up five miles an hour, or
let's say you just want to swing one eighty or
have one eighty ball speed without like a chance of
getting hurt. What we would say is, hey, you swing
one twenty right now. My guess would be based on
what you said, Kolbe found with you, you're probably your max
safe swing speed. It's probably one ten. Right, So you're saying, hey,
I got a ten mon our gap. How do I
close that?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Well?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
One, let's make sure all your roadary centers work. Two,
let's make sure you're strong enough and able to basically
strength their powers kind of like your brakes. It's the
biggest best analogy there is I've heard out there. You know,
you're driving a portion you got brakes from nineteen eighty
six rusted Honda Civic, like probably gonna be a problem
when you hit a curve going one twenty, you know.
And then I think at that point, for a good
player like you, there's probably not going to be the
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issues you've already explored. The technical side, the transit, the transfer,
we call that the you know basically you know, if
you have the mobility, you have the strength, well then
we would have what it's called transfer training. And it's like, hey,
your engine's big enough, you just don't know how to.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Produce the speed.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
So you kind of went the opposite way, right, That's
what nastly. This is why I said you're a great example.
That's what most golfers do. They go to the instructors,
they go get the different they go get optimized for
their equipment, and then we get them when they get
hurt or like they kind of hit like the sticking
point where you're at.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It's like, well, shoot, like I've done all that, I've
optimized everything else. What do I do? Right?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
And I think that's a your journey is why I'm
so excited to to talk about it with you, because
every single one of you listening right now, like you're
you're on this journey with so that that's literally what
you look at right is you know, I'm sure you
have all that info from Kolbe. It's like, hey, where
do these mobility numbers need to be. Where do my
strength numbers need to be? And you know, or is
it like a power issue, right, which would be more
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like your your box jump your plometrics right, because I
think that's people don't necessarily understand. You could be somebody
who produces power because you're strong, right, So it's like
strength speed, or you could produced a lot of power
because you're really fast, right, like an ox shay right,
or so that force right. I mean, Unfortunately, those guys
start getting hurt in their mid to late twenties when
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they're the spine starts kind of solidifying. It's kind of
that's where it's going to be, and they just don't
have the strength or the breaks they've gotten there because
they're really fast and explosive, they don't have the strength
to support it. So it's so for you that that's
taking that information from Kobe and saying, all right, this
needs to be my folk. You know, check mobility. You know,
if you're doing the right stuff. I mean, that shouldn't
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take you more in four to six weeks here young
probably four weeks, right, they just maintain and it's like, hey.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I just got to get stronger.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I just got to get more powerful, and I think
when we explain it that way for a lot of people,
it becomes pretty simple.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah, I know, And that's that's exactly what I have
to do. And that's like the next six months. I
feel like, So the goal is now, I don't get
to one ninety this year because I feel like it's possible.
I don't feel like it's out of reach. It's eight
mile an hour ball speed from where I ended last year.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, so that's what three two to three club espe Yeah, if.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I can get to one twenty five, one twenty six,
I don't think it's crazy. I like, honestly, my my
biggest thing is like I would never work out. I
would never do any of this crap unless I had
some kind of target like this. So like this for
me is like the best thing I can possibly do,
and I still struggle to do it.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
So like that's why I'm loving this.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
And I have to keep this kind of focus and
then keep telling everybody I'm gonna do this, because then
I have to do it otherwise, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Keeps you accountable.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah yeah, yeah exactly, but like, yeah, no, you nailed it,
Like that's where I went.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Yeah, the wrong way on the pyramid.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
We're working your way down, and.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I don't necessarily think there's a I don't think there's
a wrong way. I just think there's a there's a way,
and I think it's to me. That's why the pyramid
is kind of how I look at like almost like
check right, like foundationally right, you don't build the roof
of a house before you necessarily build a foundation. But
if you get a pre mid house and it comes
out and there's a crack in the slab some point,
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you've got to go fix the crack in the slab, right.
But I think that's just most golfers. It's easier and
it's more, Yeah, I guess accessible for a lot of
people to just hey, I'm just gonna go figure out
how to swing faster. Technically, I'm gonna I'm gonna max
that out. And also just think the American way. That's easier,
that's quicker, right, Oh, just the longer back sime, just
lift my front heel, Okay, cool? Right, and then you're
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gonna go get the equipment side because that again it's
just you know, the pain and suffering the time to
value the time delay to get it is quicker and
then eventually you end up you know, you got to
do the other two at some point, and to your point,
like I want to get to one ninety, yeah, you gotta.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I have to unfortunately address to the physical side. Yeah,
some people start it. It's however, everybody has.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Their own journey, and I think it's just a matter
of understanding what are the components to get there, and
which order you do is.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Up to you.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
But yeah, I want to get into the change that
you've made from the golf Science Lab over to golf well.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, and I'm super.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Curious like where it's from, and nothing you do isn't
well thought out. So and also I just want everyone
just to learn more about what you're doing because it's
so it's so cool and what you do is so great.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
No, I really appreciate it. No.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
So twenty fifteen, I was kind of in the instruction
space because of a software startup that I had that
ended up failing. But I was in the space and
just having a great time, and eventually I sumbled into
like golf research and it's so interesting. Nobody talked about it,
but there's some stuff going on, and so I started
this podcast where I just went and talked to everybody
about motor learning and then biomechanics and then like you know,
(38:52):
equipment and like all this different stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
It was so fun.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
It did the podcast for a handful of years and
just had a blast. People seem to like it. We
did some virtual summits, it was it was a really
good time. I did that untill about twenty twenty, and
then we kind of fizzled it out, stop traveling for
one just because COVID and whatnot for sure was doing
some other stuff. And then kind of we got back
into it a year and a half ago, two years ago,
(39:16):
kind of started doing a few making a few videos
and kind of like mildly starting again. And then this
last year we just had just so much fun going
around doing all this stuff. And then everyone seems to
like have is enjoyed watching it, which is which is
so so cool to see just people that you know,
kind of take this on. And so the goal now
is just like there's so much interesting stuff going on
(39:38):
in performance and coaching, how do we make complicated, difficult,
potentially boring things entertaining and like enjoyable to watch. So
like that is our our mission is to make golf
performance interesting, so people like want to watch it, and
then we just go find interesting people doing interesting things
and try to tell those stories. And so that was
(40:00):
just kind of a shift from golf science that like not
really like we're not it's not all research, it's not
all science. So it's just like this is cool, this
is what someone's doing, Like let's go talk about it,
and so like that, Yeah, and that is the mission.
And honestly, like I've talked about here today, like golf
can help you and all kinds of things, like for me,
it's trying to help me be a healthier person. And
(40:20):
so like I think there is this like holistic side
of things that I think.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Golf is important.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Why I'm willing to chase down these rabbit holes because
I think it helps us as people as well as
you know, just like shooting lower score same time.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah, for sure, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
I know there's a pitch.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, well, and I know as part of.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
It and that you know, we're both down at the
PGA show and you're not supposed to do this on
an Evergreen podcast, but we're going to date it. But
you know, we're both down at the at the PGA show.
I saw you, you know, filming with a bunch of
different people looking at different products and stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
What was some of the I'm boring.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I only go to the performance areas and then I'm like, yeah, whatever, Okay,
we're good. But you obviously are are looking at all
the cool stuff that's out there. I mean, what were
some of the kind of highlights for you down at
the show.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, the thing that I want in my house is
the foresight and putt view.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
That thing was awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Yeah, but it was so cool because it was like
it wasn't a moving platform. It was just like they
made the slope and they put six holes on it,
and so then they can replicate any slope on any
hole and just flash the light down and there's your
put inside ten feet that had a fifteen feet thing.
If anything that I would want in my house, like
that is what I would want in my house.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Is that right there?
Speaker 3 (41:30):
But yeah, there was there was all kinds of interesting stuff.
I don't know about you. It seemed kind of like
it wasn't a year of like a lot of giant
new things in tech space, Like a lot of people
had updates and stuff. So we were trying to walk
around and find some of that. But there wasn't a
thing of like, oh man, that new tech is going
to be crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
I think that's funny you saw the same thing because
I saw two years ago it was like everybody had
a brand new simulator. Yeah, and then last year everybody
had an AI single camera marker, lists like assessment tool.
There were no more of those were around this year.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
It was kind of funny. There's something like too, there's
only like a couple left now. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I would agree like this year because I always go
in and I'm like, allright, what's the theme going to
be this year? And I to your point, I really
didn't feel like there was a ton of new of
something or it was. It definitely just seemed like people
were kind of, you know, iterating on what they a
lot of the successful things that they already had. And
I'm glad you brought up I've forgotten about that. I mean,
we got space in the facility. We may see we
(42:30):
can put one of those, so great.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I think it was only I think it was only
twenty grand for the Putt video integration thing, So it's fine.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
That's not that's not too bad. We got some room
we can see numbers would love it.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
They would love it.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
You get all your putts inside ten feet and actually
have to make them be sick.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
It would be pretty sick.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
I'll come, I'll come visit and help you set it up.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
How about that sounds good?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
You can be we can do a test on it
for you.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
You can. You can test it.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
So well, Cordy, I don't want to take much more
of your time.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I know you're busy. You got a lot to do.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I can't thank you enough for coming on and hanging
out with me here. For everyone listening, we'll put everything
obviously in the show notes. But I know you have
a newsletter that comes out I think I think every week, right,
that's that's definitely you guys do it as long as
if everyone listening here. I know that you're you're kind
of nerdy like me. I definitely strongly suggest go check
it out. And the new site now is is golf
well dot co?
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Well?
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Yeah, And just like I send out every week, it's
just like if we have new stuff, it's on there.
And then I also like we'll chase down random stuff
that I find interesting and throwing on there.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
So it's worth they don't. I don't put that stuff elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Sure, and then day to day, I know you're active
on Instagram, it was at the best place for people
to follow you or what's that?
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I think?
Speaker 3 (43:34):
So that's probably where we're posting the most. And then
the YouTube is kind of like that's that's where we're
putting all our energy. Is like, okay, sweet best long
form YouTube videos like that's that's where we spend all
of our time. There's a bunch of great guys that
we do that with. So they're over there today. I
don't know what they're working on. But the next thing.
We got a slammed slammed first quarter of twenty twenty five,
(43:56):
so it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Good, amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
And what's the what's the YouTube channels for everyone?
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, if you just startch my named Cordy, c R
die Walker or golf, well it'll come up.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
You can find me awesome cool, Well, everyone go definitely
go check those out. We'll put that on the show
notes for you guys. Cordy, thank you again. Awesome having
me on the show, and we'll look forward to having
you on again probably later this year and.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
See what else is new in the world. Of golf.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
You gotta we gotta come down, and I gotta go
through some of the stuff with you as well. That
would be super fun to do an episode.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Of THEE.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Of the one ninety.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, well, we'll see if we can get Berkshire here
with you, you verse, Kyle, see you see how close
you get so close, and we'll restrict him to a
to a nine iron and yeah we did.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Actually maybe we may have to go pitching, which we'll see.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
That would be good. I like that. I like that, Okay, and.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
All right, cool, awesome.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Thanks so much, Cordy, thanks everyone else for listen, and
we'll cut you on the next episode.
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