Greatest Rebounders of the 90's

In today’s episode we break down the “lost art” of rebounding, and the era of the 90’s that was once populated with big men who impacted the results of games through physicality, grit, and by displaying a unique IQ. It’s time to debate who did the dirty work and cleaned the glass best.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I even had the like a terrible Shack haircut. I
don't even know if you're too young to remember.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
This, but we'll explain that to me.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Please, So here it is so I'm bald now, I
would get a skin fade just like this, and then
you would leave your cyburns. So it's just the cyburns
right here and Shaq. I don't know what made him
do that. I don't know if he lost a bed.
I would love to talk to him about that and
just wonder why that was a thing. But we would
actually wear just ski ball with just cyburns, trying to

(00:29):
be like Shack and say it was crazy. It was
probably one of the worst. That was probably one of
the craziest hairstyles. But that's how influential he was as
a dominant force in the nineties. Welcome to the Greatest
of Fair Era. I'm your host, Trey Edwards and I'm

(00:50):
joined always by my co host Seth Curry. What else
was going on now? Most debates talk about one got
We'll be discussing multiple great players based on the era.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Another episode. Ready to get into it, chop it up?
How are you feeling about the intro to the pot
and everything that's been going on with us announcing and
launching the first episode.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Man, The first episode was love Man. We got so
much response online and things of that nature, and also
we got to receive our flowers in person and All
Star Weekend we got a chance to have your brother
owned as a guest to talk about the two thousands
you know shooters. Man, that was a great conversation, especially
you guys breaking down you know, the scouting reports and

(01:30):
the criteria of elite shooting.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, it was good. It was fun, Man, be hearing
a great feedback from everybody, all the fans out of support.
It's been good. Like you said, bringing Steph out for
the first episode was it was kind of perfect being
out there at All Star Weekend, having a live episode,
being able to touch the audience. So I'm excited to
get this going with you and keep it pushing you
feel me?

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah? Speaking of keeping it pushing, Man, this week we're
talking about the nineties rebounders. And now this wasn't gonna
be a fun one because so many you know, rebound specialists,
you know what I mean. I think that's the key
word of our podcast is specialists. We're putting some respect
on the specialist title, you know what I mean, Like,
we're restoring that and I think that needs to be

(02:13):
a place in the game. I want to take a
trip down memory lane of the nineties. I know you
were born in the nineties, yes, or eighty nine, you wor.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
In nineteen nineties, So the beginning to get this era
is my nineteen ninety's the ultimate pinnacle of basketball. To me, man,
that was, like you said, the era of specialists. Yeah,
shooting like you really that's the time in the league
where you literally had guys on the floor to do
one thing. So this topic is special because so many

(02:41):
guys that were in the league just because of that rebounding.
That's what they brought to the team. It's not the
case anymore in today's NBN. You got to be able
to do everything out there. You can't be out there
just get ten rebounds and can't give us anything on offense,
or can't guard or whatever the case may be. You
got to be able to do a little bit of everything.
So back then in the nineties, it was it was
some enforces and from some some guys out there just

(03:03):
to play football and go get the grab grab the
boys with to get the ball off the rim.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah. Actually it was whatever it takes to get on
that floor.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
And and that mattered that that's the reason why some
guys were champions and some weren't. But let's talk about
this golden era. You know, it was filled with iconic
moments and that that shaped the league and I just
wanted to talk about it, just breathed through some of
the iconic big moments of the decade. We had the
Bad Boys repeat, we had Michael Jordan's dominance, like the

(03:32):
Bulls won six rings during the nineties, like just pure domination,
two three peats. And then we had the Dream Team,
right you know, uh, the Dream Team was one considerably
the greatest team ever assembled, but then also kicked off
the European boom of inspiring the players that we have
now in today's game. And then we also have uh,

(03:55):
you know, Michael Jordan retiring and then also the Rockets
getting their titles while Jordan was retired. So a lot
to discuss here today, and it's going to be real, real, real,
real fun. I'm excited to talk about this now.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
This era is like when I first introduced to the
basketball me and me and my brother were really in
the mix because this is when my dad played in
the NBA. He obviously he was played the whole era
of the nineties. He retired in two thousands, So we
were in the locker rooms, we were on the court.
My dad won't actually six man in a year ninety
five ninety six. So I feel like this is this

(04:30):
is my cup of tea right here. The nineties nineties hoops.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, especially having that first hand experience
and seeing it different. Also being an NBA player and
in experiencing it that way and seeing how the game
was that way. I couldn't even tell you I didn't
come around the game to about two thousand and five,
two thousand and six with access behind the scenes and
being able to see what was going on. So you
definitely have some insight and hopefully we get some stories

(04:54):
later on in the pod. Speaking of rebounding right, and
we have like some of the greats, you know what
I mean, like got the Charles Barkleys of the World,
the Dennis Rodman's, the Charles oak Leads, I mean, the
list goes on. What do you think is the criteria?
You know what I mean, We're gonna be discussing a
lot of key players, what do you think is the
criteria that makes an elite rebounder?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
To me, rebounding is first of all, will I mean,
it doesn't take a lot of skill. A little bit,
but not a lot of skill. To be a great rebounder.
You gotta have the energy and bring it every single night.
So I think back in the nineties you had these
these these specialists, the defensive guys, these rebounders that came
into every game and first thing on their minds, I
gotta get I gotta go grab the boards offensively, defensively.

(05:38):
The other thing is you gotta have some quick feet,
especially to be a great officer rebounder, to maneuver yourself
in the paint, get around, find the ball, and you
gotta have a certain level of IQ and anticipation of
where the ball is gonna bounce. You know what I'm saying,
washing watching that shot take off where it's gonna be,
getting the asside position. And so I know a lot
of rebounders just talking to some teammates up had that

(06:00):
are talking to other guys throughout the league, they actually
study different ways to be good. Watch a lot of film, study,
study that their opponents down there in the paint, and
how to how to set up and get get good
inside position even before a shot goes up. So these
are some some rough, banging, banging guys, but they also
have high i qs at the same time.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, I think that's probably one of the most underrated
things and unstatic for rebounders, you know what I mean
When it comes to that, I wanted to kind of
compare the current era that you play in and in
the nineties of like, why is rebounding not as important
in today's game? It is important, but it's not like
as far as a specialist and and and why people

(06:41):
are not impressed by a twenty rebound game, or why
someone you know doesn't value it as much.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
This might be a spicy hot take, but I feel
like the individual rebounding, especially defensive rebounding stats, is one
of the most overrated things in the league. But in
today's games, I mean to me, defensively, especially defensively rebounding
the ball, you get like three or four just by
being at the free throw line. Then you just collect them,

(07:08):
you know what I'm saying, You just in position on defense.
But offensively, on the other hand, it's like it's one
of the most important. You get yourself with extra possessions,
get your team extra possessions, and most of the time,
if you win that possession game by getting three, four
or five officer rebounds for your team, most of the
time that's the team who wins. So I think today

(07:28):
a lot of a lot of coaches in the league
emphasized officer of rebound and going to the glass. Yeah,
I think you see that today's game. So I think
it's just a different error as far as the numbers
rebounding game defensively, because we just know more about the
game and what's important.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think just guys know their role now,
so it's a little different. Like some guards aren't even
going in to try to get the board. They're letting
guys just go and earn their money and get those boards.
And yeah, you know, you look at the stat line
and a guy might have seventeen rebounds and it might
wow some people. Sometimes if you watch the full game,
it's like some of those were gimmes, you know what

(08:03):
I mean, Like it's just like like you said, some
of them, you just end up with them, and you
end up with four rebounds and It's like, is he
a great rebounder or just they didn't pursue. And I
wanted to point one thing out right, And you've played
for Doc Rivers before. It's your father in law, you
know what I mean. In this situation, A lot of
his teams didn't go pursue offensive rebounds. They would get
try to stop the transition and get back on defense.

(08:25):
And why was that, like you know what I mean,
like being you know, why would he emphasize that to
stop in the defensive you know, on the defensive end
being an offense transition.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's a good point. Like I didn't really realize until
somebody brought up to me maybe a couple of months ago.
But his teams are always literally at the bottom end
of the league as far as the offense and rebounding
and being played for him for a couple of years,
I see why, because he didn't emphasize going to the glass. Yes,
like his four man five man go to the glass
and try to get the office rebound. Everybody's getting back

(08:54):
because he's his main thing is always transition defense, trying
to stop teams from rebounding and running out on them.
And so he doesn't he never really emphasized, like I said,
going to the glass and getting officer of rebounds. But
like I said, today and today's game, I'm playing for
a coach now and Charles Lee who wants everybody to
go to the office of glass. He thinks, not only

(09:16):
that's gonna get us extra possessions and like I said,
win that possession game, but at the same time, it's
gonna that's another way of stopping other teams transition offense
because they got to box everybody out on the floor.
You can't have guys leaking out because that point guard
might crash from the top of the key and get
an office of rebounds. So they got to think about
getting a defensive rebound instead of running out on the
opposite end. So they it's just different philosophies. Different coaches

(09:39):
have different philosophies, and yeah, that's what makes the game special.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, absolutely, I do see like a lack not saying
that's a lack of physicality under paint, but less more
bumping than it would be in the nineties, just because,
like you said, it depends on the thing. But also,
why don't we see a lot of boxing out you
know what I mean? I see a lot of guys
using their athleticism more than anything, and I feel like
boxing out wins ball games. Like if you're that disciplined,

(10:06):
you know what I mean, like finding your guy and
letting the ball fall then going to get it. I
don't see it anymore. I just see a guy that's
just like, I'm just snatch this off the rim if
I could.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
I don't know if I agree with that, but regular
season maybe, but playoffs is as physical as ever, But I.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Think the playoffs is a little bit more intense.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
I can see why you say that, just because the
body types of the player now is more. It's not
as many of those four men. It's not really a
power forward anymore. In the NBA, a lot of these
guys were gonna talk about today, were some of them
power forwards who are literally just in there to enforce
bring the physicality to the game, grab boards, set good screens,
and for the most part, that position has kind of

(10:43):
been eliminated. Either a three man are stretched four three,
or you're really a center. And some of the centers,
I even you got to be able to move around
and guard multiple positions to be and they're not as physical.
So I can see why say it's a little best
less physical in the paints, the game is more spread out.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, I look at it like that, and like I said,
good call out on that. I mean, that's that's a
little hot take right there, because I mean it does exist.
You know, you can't watch every play closely unless you're
in the fire and you're seeing it as it goes on.
And I mean you yourself boxed out and won some
some key positions for your team on the offensive end,
so you understand how important it is in the fifty

(11:21):
to fifty ball and etcetera. Those are the things that
tremendously win the game. So just looking at it, I
get frustrated as a fan and as a former player
just watching it, it's like, Yo, why he just didn't
box out on that one play, because that right there
could have secured it, Like you know what I mean,
Like games aren't one in one play, but like you
think about the extra possession that you probably could have had,
or you know, you know, you know that rebound that

(11:42):
has won you the game. You're like, I think about that.
Give him the game Boy at the end of the night,
because that was huge to start our run or whatever
it is. To get us another look. So rebounding is
super important in the game of basketball, and it should
be still considered you know, important.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's important, but I think, like I was saying earlier,
everybody has to do it. Now you gotta do it
as a team, especially defensively. You don't have the one
guy who you're alana or we didn't board, we didn't
rebound the night. So it's it's it's it's those two
guys fault. No, it's everybody. Everybody's going to the glass.
Now everybody got a box out and sometimes now your

(12:22):
your point guard can can It's better for your team
when your point guard get gets the gets a rebound
because then they can just push it. You don't gotta
outlet it that that that starts your fast break. And
so you see that the rebounders like the Russell Westbrooks,
the Jason Kidds, those guys who go in there and
get bored, that that turns into good offense.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Absolutely, So you named a couple of players. We're gonna
name some players from the nineties, some key players that
are going to be discussed. Let's start with the King
God call them the King. I ain't seen nothing like it.
The most unselfish player. Dennis Robman, the undisputed rebound king
of the nineties. He led the league and rebounds per
game for seven concentative seasons. Like he's my goat, and

(13:02):
he might be your goat, but like this dude had
a career of thirteen rebounds per game. Like that is commitment.
Like if I'm watching any film, I'm a young guy
that's six' nine to six, eleven maybe six, Eight i'll
start with six seven IF i JUST i don't see
guys really having high rebounds like, nowadays you know WHAT i,
Mean like most of the guys that play, outside like you,

(13:23):
said the four men is different, now so the rebounds
are going to be low for those gambling. People but
when you really think about the actual viewpoint Of rodman
being six eight and all over the place and just
really studying how the ball came off the, rim what
what tell me more About Dennis rodman right?

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Now? Man thennis like He when you think, rebounding even
to this, day you Think Dennis rodman right, like he
made rebounding. Cool he did it with a, flare you
know What i'm. Saying some of those one handed rebounds
where he would grabbing and cuffing and hold it for
a couple of seconds to show EVERYBODY i had the.
Board instead of just out letting he, had he had
to flare made it. Cool he. Was he was literally
like a star. Off he ain't what averaged six to

(14:05):
seven points a, game but if you look at his rebounding,
numbers it's, Insane like a career rebound and average of
what like twelve thirteen over a long, Career it's just.
Insane so he did it every, night and his energy
was through the. Roof like non still playing high minutes back,
then one of those taking games, off taking days. Off

(14:25):
he was playing high minute nights at five minutes per
game every single night and doing his. Job and LIKE i,
said he made it cool to bit to be a role,
player a, connector a guy who went to the. Glass
AND i think part of it, obviously when you're playing With,
jordan you get a little extra.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Spotlight, Yeah and he knew how, to he knew how
to like get that that extra, energy you know WHAT i,
mean that extra. Attention he was able to get many.
Endorsements he was able to you, know half sma off
the court flair and be just as popular As Michael, jordan.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
And he did it off defensively like he was just
as good as an officer rebounder as defensive rebounding he.
Was he would go get the officer boards and not
even look at the, rim just throw, it you grab,
it throw it right back. Out so he was he,
was he was. Special WHAT i got a question for,
you what do you think is more important as a?
Rebounder is it fifty to fifty as far as being

(15:17):
a great officer rebounder defensive. Rebounding so because WHEN i
weigh my When i'm weigh my goat towards the end
of the, episode when you do our, list like what
what kind of weight do you put on officer rebound
rebounding as far as when you when.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
You, WANT i think offensive rebounding is is literally number,
one because you're securing your team another possession and you
also have to make the effort like it's it's just
so much effort like defenses is kind of it's much,
harder like because you're trying to secure a possession you
don't know depending on the time of the game, whatever
like the placement of. It but if you start off

(15:51):
the game like, Yo i'm gonna just be a dog
and you're gonna. Eat you might get points off of,
this you know What i'm. Saying like it's a lot
of things that come from, that and that just that that,
matters you know What i'm. Saying AND i just feel
like anybody can get a defensive, rebound but an offensive
rebound you really might have to go in there with
the twin towers and just, bang really really go get the.

(16:13):
Rebound and you know WHAT i, mean with all seven feet,
Guys like teams might have a seven foot power forward
and a six ten big and you're just in there
maybe six to, six really just working out and just
trying to get that, possession you know WHAT i, Mean
and it really or skying over top somebody like you
mentioned A Russell westbrook and those other people that have
were like big guards that just flew and just went
to go get.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
It so you get the high you can get some
highlights off the office Of office Of Glass. Defense you
just anybody showing a defensive rebound On sports entered that.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Night another great rebound Arrest in peace to kimbe Moved
tumble a dominant defensive force consistently among the league leaders
in rebounds and, blocks and that's the. Thing combining those
two he turned a lot of defense into. Offense well
it was rebound, er whether it was protecting the rim
and The kimbay was up, there you weren't going to
get too many rebounds while he was around the.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Rim, yeah The kimba was his size. Along let him
being in the paint for thirty eight minutes in a,
night he's gonna get you ten plus boards just being in,
there like just swallowing them.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Up let's talk about let's talk about that. Too let's
talk about the difference of now versus, then, right how
you could just kind of just hang, Out yeah you
know WHAT i, Mean like you you literally could hang
out in the paint and just do what you.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Wanted, yeah, well no, spread pick and roll offense back.
Then so the bigs were literally down there guarding the.
Post if their man's spread out to eighteen, feet they
were fine with a jumper lake con tests most of the.
Time so they Didn't you run back on, defense standing
the paint and literally just just set up house down
there and, Grab LIKE i, said ten to twelve boards a.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Night defensive three seconds kicked in two thousand and one
two thousand and two. Seasons so do you look at
the stats a little differently knowing that guys had an
advantage like does that put an asterisk towards it or?
High you, see like if you guys had, that, now
would it? Benefit would it? Hurt like you know WHAT i?

(18:07):
Mean in no?

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Situations, OH i mean obviously when the when the rule came,
in the bigs couldn't stand in front of the rim
all game and just post. Up there's a lot LESS i,
mean you could play they so when they brought that,
in you could play, zone but you had to still
get out of the. Lane and now it's it's there's
no three, seconds but the big you have stretch. Fives,
now back then there was no stress. Five so that

(18:28):
that gravity of the office is being spread out to
the three point line more makes it tougher for you
to just stand in, there even along with the rule,
changes so that gravity pulls you out and sometimes and
there's a lot of switching going, on so sometimes your
point guard to guard is down there in the lane
battling bigs and you got to come in later and
clean it. Up SO i, mean everything kind of bounces

(18:49):
out as far as the rule changes and and the
style of. PLAY i think if you're a good rebounder
in the, nineties you're a good rebounder in the in
the current age as.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Well what About kill, O'Neill he's one of the most
physically dominant. Centers Young shack is crazy nineteen ninety. Three like,
That shaq was running the, Floor he's blocking, shots he's
falling over the, places he's tearing down the. Rim but
as far as, REBOUNDS i don't think you were taking
too many rebounds from. Him No shack at that, POINT

(19:19):
i just felt LIKE i felt like he was just
just a.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Beast in, fact the most, dominant maybe my favorite player
outside my favorite big of all time to, killing like just,
dominant came in grabbing more like teams had to Sign
biggs just to have six files to play against, him
you know What i'm. Saying like he was him and
The Kimba motombo had some of the most physical Battles

(19:46):
i've ever seen in the laying down there and fight for.
Rebounds The king be trying to guard him on the.
Block that was special doing AND i, said and like
offensively as, well some of the putbacks he had going
up and grabbing rebounds off the top of the. Square
young shack people don't remember the athletics and be brought
along with the.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Size, YEAH i, mean like you, said he's one of
the coolest. Bigs he had his own candy bars and.
Movies you had platinum rap albums and things of that.
Nature LIKE i don't think WE i Mean weinby's trying
to do his, thing you know WHAT i, mean speedy
recover to. Him BUT i think about just the cool
factor of a being a big. Man this man wore
size twenty two shoe and people's guards wanted his, shoe

(20:27):
you know WHAT i, Mean like that's that's so, rare
that's so, rare like flex to, have like you're really that,
cool like you HAD i even had the like a
terrible shock. HAIRCUT i don't even know if you're too
young to remember.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
This but, nah well explain that to, me.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Please so here it is So i'm bald NOW i
would get a skin fade just like, this and then
you would leave your. Cyeburns so it's just the cyburns
right here and. SHAQ i don't know what made him do.
THAT i don't know if he lost a BED i
would love to talk to him about that and just
wonder why that was a. Thing but we would actually

(21:02):
wear just ski ball with Just Cide, burns trying to
be Like.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Shack it was.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Crazy it was probably one of the worst. Things it's.
Insane i'm gonna find a picture and Then i'll share
it on. Socials but, yeah that was probably one of
the craziest. Hairstyles but that's how influential he was as
a dominant force in the. Nineties let's talk about The

(21:36):
Admiral David, robinson dude ellegue. Rebounder him And shack has some.
Battles they had a you, know most people don't know
about The petty scoring. Title you know that one year
you know WHAT i, mean Where David robinson scored seventy.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
One, yeah he had to. Come he knew the number
he had to get on the last day the regular
season to win a scoring. Title he went out and
did it.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Seventy one points on The. Clippers he knew, that he
knew that. Number he was Stat paddy to get. It
AND i, mean we need we need, that we need,
that we need. THAT i, KNOW i know the social
probably would you, know not really be rolling with, it
but like so like you know WHAT i, mean kind
of like The Mark Maguire Sammy sosa close raced throughout the,
season and it might be it might be considerably thirsty
NOW i don't, know but it's fun because it makes

(22:19):
you tune.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
In it would definitely kill you on the social. Skid,
yeah when you bring up The, admiral you, gotta you.
Gotta it's like hand in, hand you gotta bring Up Tim,
ducor especially in a in a big rebound of. CONVERSATION
i Know tim came, in came in later in the,
nineties but those two was that twenty four twenty five
boys a night just dominance in the glass Cleaners and

(22:43):
you're probably never gonna see two bigs glass. Cleaners, literally
never gonna see two bigs that good on the same
team maybe ever. AGAIN i know that the war shot
to do it With kat And Go, bear but, no
don't add.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Up, no and they were elite on the other, end
you know What i'm, Saying it's a long night any
front court lining up with, them you might as well just,
go you, know just just prepare, yet get ready to
have you a nice dinner after, that because it's you,
know it's gonna be it's gonna be a long. Win
you know what THE nba all started challenge needs to.
Do they need to have a currage. CHALLENGE i got
my money on. YOU i still think you shoot better than,

(23:16):
yourself you know WHAT i, Mean, like you, know it
would be great, though, HONESTLY i JUST i just think,
that you, KNOW i don't, KNOW i don't. KNOW i,
KNOW i know what you could, do AND i think.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
That's HUMBLY i can say as, HUMBLIES i can say
that the percentages don't, lie that's it.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Go but you know, it it would be a great.
Everybody everybody would chime in and THAT i would honestly
check that out because you know WHAT i, MEAN i
guess bragging rights at the house and. Forever you know
WHAT i, mean if you get to beat him in
front of in front of the, fam you know What i'm. Saying, so,
Uh hakeem a lodge, one, Man hakeem a lodge. ONE

(23:53):
i don't even know where to start with this, guy
you know WHAT i, Mean like from fasting and playing,
basketball you know WHAT i, mean which is, uh a
very tough thing to. Do quadruple. Double his nickname is the.
Dream he's the only Person i've openly seen like just
really Just, dragshack like you know WHAT i, Mean like
tough matchup For shack And. Shaq he ain't no, slouts

(24:14):
you know WHAT i. Mean but also just an elite,
rebounder defender, skilled you, know having a clinic teaching guys for,
work you, Know kobe CH mb and a bunch of
guys came to see him and how he went about.
Things but his rebounding another. THING i feel like it
was just if you're seven FEET i DON'T i don't
know if you were like guaranteed to be a great,

(24:35):
rebounder because like these guys are also all. Athletic yeah
they got off the, ground.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yes, no and they just sized a came. Here his
footwork was second to, none SO i think that helped
him on the glass as, well especially offensively he was
he was schooling and using swim moves and flying around
the opponents to get to the. Boards even though free
throws you got to pay attention to. Him but he

(25:02):
was spinning and sliding around using some of the same
footwork he did in the post to grab. Rebound SO
i mean he was special in a. LOT i feel
like a lot of young Youm biggs can can watch
him and learn some of the. Tricks he was down
there to get on the. Glass everybody sees the dream
shape to fade all, that but he did it.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
ALL i, MEAN i, SEE i see uh and b
your former, teammate trying to do that a. Lot you
know WHAT i. Mean as far as, glimpse, glimps you
know WHAT i. MEAN i think it will be the,
same but glimpse you know WHAT i. Mean and you
know this is the M V p and mb you
know WHAT i. Mean so as he.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Continues you, see you see, it you see traces of
The kama And joelle for, sure the dream. Shaped the
footwork is crazy offensively And joel hungry to get to
the office of boards, too like he he Good de
was the rebound obviously because it's so, big he's in the.
Paint but he wanted he wanted to get that extra

(25:57):
six eight, points so he shot go. Up he worked
hard to get to the office of glass and get
that another two three attempts. Up so that's the other, thing,
guys when you want to score the, ball you're hungry
to go to the glass and get that go and
go get an extra gets your shot. Up we talked
about we're talking about these bigs and Dream maybe a
lot of people say one of the best defensive centers

(26:19):
of all, Time like what role does rebound and playing
defense to? You because, OH i, mean like a lot
of coaches you talk, Here coach's, like that's the most
important part of you gotta go get the. Glass you
gotta gotta finish the, possession.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Right, YEAH i MEAN i think that's, again that's the trade.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Off.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Right we already started to convo about how important offensive
rebounds are to a, team but defensive rebounds we're not
gonna just. Discount maybe it feels like it's easier to,
get but it's just as important because you got to
do your. Part you can't lose your, man you know
WHAT i, mean you got a ball me man is
a term that we've used for ages right where you,

(26:54):
find you, locate you put a body on and then
go get. It and most of that, time if you're
not really. Defense you know What i'm, saying a bad,
shot it's a rebound and that go into you, know
all that other stuff that all equates in the same
thing of getting a. Possession for your, team so it's
just as. Important and LIKE i, said those blown, assignments
you don't think about being on defense for like almost

(27:17):
the whole twenty four second. Clock, y'all, y'all y'all working
really hard and somebody gives up the. Rebound that's like
the worst feeling. Ever it's the worst feeling ever because
you that's the worst worst because now they can hold the.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Ball, Yeah i'll be ready to fight some. Teammates Sometimes
i'm locking in on. DEFENSE i. Do that's WHY i
ain't the best defense in the. World BUT i lock.
In i'm, slide moving the, feed get a stop, shot go,
up and god fall, asleep give up off the. REBOUND
i gotta do it all over. Again i'm, like, nah,
yeah no, way ain't no, Way we're gonna have to.

(27:49):
Fight but that's what you called it to a t
that's how you.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Be, no it's it's just not a great, feeling, man
especially Like i've been on. Them you know you've been
on the college, courts man're you know you've been in
a situation where they're trying to eat the clock up
and they know it's in their advantage and you just
like in college is even thirty. Five you know WHAT i,
Mean like you sitting, there you working white through. Screens
you're doing what you're. Doing they're not going to attack

(28:14):
to like, ten they might not tax to. Seven so
you sitting there and then it's one guy fall, asleep
they kick it back out and y'all back out there
and your legs, burning you, tired depending on like the
situation of the, game y'all down to y'all really needed this,
one you know WHAT i, Mean, like and that's that's
the weird.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Thing.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, yeah WHEN i was a, dude we're PLAYING uva
because you, know they running that the, offense they they're
gonna they're not shooting above five seconds on the, shots like.
Regardless so we came to those games like we never
wanted to rebound more than that because you, so you,
know soon they get office, rebound even if they got
a water, let they resetting, it passing, around passing. Around

(28:52):
you got to go off for a whole another thirty
literally thirty thirty five. Second, yeah it's an.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Advantage it works, You it works you, down, Man that's
that's what it. Is Patrick ewing a cornerstone for The.
Knicks more on the offensive, end you know WHAT i,
MEAN i think he gets he doesn't get enough credit
for his. Offense but a double digit rebounder guy, merchant
rebound merchant getting up, there grabbing, boards securing, it eating

(29:18):
with his, hands finishing like you said you Mentioned, Joel
like a lot of these bigs that we're, naming they
made a living off offensive, rebounds like they get those,
four six to eight points and fed their families off of.
That because again you think about just the extra attempts
and how important it. Is the same way it's just
like running the lane hard and getting a free lay.

(29:39):
Up like those things are the small parts of basketball
that we kind of take for granted or we don't
really you, know like as a fan watching you not
really looking at it from that perspective of how a backcut,
is or just certain things that you could just really
kind of steal. Points so like an offensive, rebound you,
know maybe got the quick little push or the nudge
or whatever little trick you do to get the. Board

(30:01):
that's a that's a. Bucket that's a bucket that maybe
get you that four point lead or that.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Cushion, Yeah pat is in the same realm Of alonzo
morning to, me and that's another, game another name we
gonna bring. Up but you're literally pro typical big back
in that era who blocked the, block maybe went out
to ten, feet shot a mid range jump shot every
once in a. While but see those guys with the
elbow pads and the arm, sleeves knew they was there

(30:27):
for a battle and grabbing everything you.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Mentioned manzo was one of your dad's, teammates uh you,
know and you Know charlotte and, definitely like you, know
he one of the one of the. Smoothest you know
What i'm. SAYING i love those. Games was you, know
a defensive anchor out.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
There zoe was my. Guy MAN i, remember, YEAH i
remember WHEN i was a kid Washing. Zoe we used
to have be in the, backyard had his free throw
routine down to the Tem he got the kind of
free throw routine where you take the armband pat the
had a couple of times we had it down as
kids WHEN i was like six seven years, old and
we wanted to be.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Just, Like, yeah Man zoe was definitely one of those
defensive anchors and made uh you, know shot block and,
cool you know WHAT i mean to a point where
obviously With tumbo had the whole finger wag Be zoe
was punching stuff like you weren't you weren't getting. HIM i,
mean broke my heart When vince got. Him but you,
know outside of, that that's the part that comes with
the territory of blocking all those, shots you know What i'm,
Saying like he got a lot Of he got a

(31:26):
lot of blocks in his. Career and also for the
rebounds he was you, know he was securing major rebounds
for his, team you, know whether it Was charlotte Or.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Miami and we're talking to these, rebounders and you see
from top to, bottom like all these names. Were, listen
if you look at all defensive team during the, nineties
you see most of these big on The.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yes no for. Sure so it all goes hand in.
Hand you can't not play defense and not, rebound you
know WHAT i. Mean like they were just that vital
to their team's. Success but it seems like they did
a lot, more you know WHAT i, mean they, did
like the, offense the, defense you know WHAT.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
I, mean the.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Rebounding you, know they. Contribute they were, like you, know
more than just one dimensional as a, specialist you know
WHAT i? Meaning those things AND i think that's why
they Were All stars and and considerably some of the you,
know some people on these lists are top seventy.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Five, yep they're vocal points in the. Team, yeah you
can run, offense throw them throw it to.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Him my, second my second rebounder of all time is
listed right, here and we're gonna talk about him, Now
Charles barkley listed at six to six, right and we're
talking about the. Height Charles barklett sixty four six. Four,
now a lot of you know a lot of, people
our listeners probably see him ON tnt and, think you,
know he out of shape, now and what was he

(32:44):
in THE? Nba Charles barket was a. Dog Charles barkley
was the best player On Dream. Team that's a crazy
thing about. It he was the best player on The Dream.
Team and, people i mean outside of the, documentary a
lot of people don't talk about that, Enough like he's AN.
Mvp you, KNOW i came up short going up Against Michael.
Jordan But Michael jordan just. Greedy he's just winning everything
at that, time and that was the only person that

(33:05):
really could stop. Him But Charles. Barkley at one point
they called him the round mound. Rebound you know WHAT i,
mean like he strong three put.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Back when you got a, nickname when you got a
nickname having to do a rebounding you really are at.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Six' four, you yeah you on that type. OF time
i don't even know if they got that type of
rebounders like. THAT anymore I Mean, bruce brown he tried
to do some stuff like that as, his height, but
overall like it's hard to compare To A. Charles barkley
you KNOW what i mean when you think about undersized
guys that that rebound or if you played against that
are really elite for a. Small rebounder no.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
REMIND me i mean this ain't, breaking News but zigon
reminds me a Lot of chuck being the smallest zign
with six' five and most and they use like straight quickness,
in the lane their quickness that actual height and size
might be an advantaged there because it's not something you,
see every night and that quickness kind of shocks you

(34:04):
when you first get around it. On the floor and
they also they know they use the quickness and the
officer rebound. Ability to score so like sometimes he getting,
IN the Lane i know chuck will do this and
designed at, the same time he gets covered up by,
a bigger defender the taller he might be going, up
to shoot and he knows how. To good attempt he
just throw it up there laying before the defense is

(34:27):
gotten to the apex, get around him and then they.
Hit the rebound they got a, wide open layup so
they use, that that, size that quickness and that adds
a couple couple of boards to the. Statute as well
going going to get?

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Your, own rebound, YEAH he Had i mean barkley hoop like,
stamina was, off relentless energy, just just constant just just.
Just a headache and THAT one thing i really wanted
to POINT out and, i, talk about uh. The tip
jam how important is? The tip? Jam like that when
that was introduced, TO my life i just wanted to
always do it made rebounding. Even more fun did you

(35:02):
and your brother ever play? Twenty? One, tip oh.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah of, course growing up that was a everybody played.
At the backyard we were playing. In the pool maybe
you have the pool and you got a little small
basketball go on the side. Of the ledge twenty one
was a game where everybody. Could get in you have
twelve fifteen people playing twenty one and if you made
out of there without some bumps and bruises and, a

(35:27):
black eye consider yourself lucky because.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
It was physical another game and it's not even. Technically
a game but you know that the box, out Right
now and I'm Pretty sure coach lee got y'all doing.
That right now, as far as, like you, know in
practice as far as just battling, out, with bigs guys
that's bigger, than you guys like explain that experience of like,
just you know, like you mentioned he wants everybody to.
Crash the board so.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Speaking about, the box out another thing. THAT was recently
i don't know if, they outlawed it maybe four or,
five years ago but you can't they called a face guard.
Were like, officer you know a rebounder was so good
that you back then in the nineties, even two thousands
you could literally turn around and just like like an
officer lignement block him from going to. Get the rebound,

(36:12):
you weren't focused you weren't even trying to get. The
rebound yourself you want one of your teammates to. Get
the rebound your job was technically to keep one of
These Guys Like Charles charles barkley shack one of these
guys keep them off The. Office of glass so they.
Didn't get it they. Were THAT dominant, AND i think i,
want to say three, four YEARS ago. The nba bandit
you can't as soon as you Go to face garden
and chest to chess with it with another players supposed to.

(36:34):
Be A foul SO i mean i was like literally
a tactic. That was taught have you ever been used?

Speaker 1 (36:41):
In that tactic have you ever been using that tactic
to like take a guy out?

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Of? The, REBOUND oh yeah i. Used it all that's.
MY go to i still do it to this day.
In HIS outlaw but i know the right way to
do it because when you usually do it on guys
that are that are, bigger than you, stronger than. You
AND coaching then i asked me to go in there
and get six seven eight. Boys at night they want
me to, stop my man don't allow my man to get.

(37:04):
Off some rebound so that's an easy way. To, eliminate, that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah yeah. Absolutely another name this is A name that
i don't think a lot of our listeners are, going
To Hear But Kevin willis Kevin Willis man kevin willis
played over to old play twenty, twenty plus, seasons a
strong durable big man amongst the. LEAGUE'S top rebounders i
remember Him Playing with dominique wilkins and he Also played With,

(37:30):
doc in, atlanta and, UH you know.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I played with My. Pops in toronto they kind. Of,
ENDED that dang i. Forgot, ABOUT that. Yeah I remember
kevin willis is like, a thirty eight thirty nine to
forty year old with, the elbow pass, still moving slow
but still still getting. The job done like back then
you could play sixteen plus years is a big just

(37:53):
having size, and being that like, you said that being
as specialist who who guarded post players and got reeve
else and you. Can't do that you got to be
able to. Move out there you got to be able
to go out picking rolls. In today's league, but back
then now you could do. One, two things well you
could do it for. Fifteen twenty years.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
So we checked in and it's. TWENTY one years i
would love To Talk to kevin willis to see basically
who came, up under him like YOU know, what I
mean because i'm sure he shared some of his tactics
in order to like kick off the careers, Of OTHER
players and i think that's the beauty of this pod,
is you know we're we're we're Mentioning Players like kevin willis,

(38:31):
that you know probably haven't been mentioned, a long time.
But they were they were really effective and and elite at.
What they did. They were specialists so he's one of
the specialists and the unsung heroes.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Of.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
This Era yeah when I'm Thinking, about kevin willis like his,
his shit side like he was, forty years old and
then the best shape, on The team like jack cut
on a four to five, Percent body fat like his
his commitment and regimen at, forty years old it was,
insane like that that TYPE of that i don't, know,

(39:05):
man like yeah? Who was whoever his rookies and his
youngest learned a.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Lot, From, him, YEAH no absolutely i mean really really
one of the one, of the vets YOU know. What
I mean like i think that it's interesting thinking, about
you know YOU being a Vet now in charlotte and
and what you share with, those young guys YOU know,
what i mean with your experience, and you know a
guy playing, fifteen sixteen years twenty, years at that YOU know?
What i mean you look at it and the. Wealth

(39:32):
of knowledge YOU know, what i mean how. Important it
is how important is a vet in the locker room,
to young guys especially at the young guy is, an
immediate star YOU know.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
What, i mean yeah you want to pass things on
to him and talk to him on a daily but,
even more so you got to show. Him the ropes so,
like back then like You Talk, About Kevin, willis karl
malone guys who played, a long time their rookies and
youngest saw how they. Work every day they, saw their,
routines their regiments and how they were still being effective late.

(40:06):
IN their careers i think that's even more important than
what you say to. The young guys it's more about
showing them what you do on.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
A daily basis we're gonna take, a quick break but when,
We get back seth has a story about one of his.
Dad's old teammates you'll. Never guess who, oh oh man
you don't want to.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Miss this One We, have sean Kemp.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
The, rain man now he was just he. Was crazy,
explosive you know he still has one of the sickest
uh dunk contest posters where he got his, leg you
know up and he's just YOU know, what i mean
he was just cool To Him and Gary payton may
seattle fun not only to play with on, the video
game but just. Watch their games they were competitive and

(41:02):
they Tried to give chicago a run. For their money
and then you know in the in the in the.
Ninety Six Finals but sean kemp definitely. Rebound with, flair
you know he was Another one like rob mean that
that grabbed, the ball ferociously YOU know, what i mean
and made it cool or, Slapped THE ball and i
just really enjoyed those, type of rebounds YOU know, what
I mean because i know it caused a. LOT of

(41:24):
turnovers i shouldn't, have did it and it probably made
me end up on the bench trying to grab one
HAND rebounds because i can pull, him THE ball but
i imitated a lot of these bigs. Trying to rebound he's.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
One of those who there's some extra Incentive To box
hi mount because if, you if you if you Don't
box the mount and he grabs one of those, off
the rim you might be on a, on a poster
uh and that the next day because he gonna tip
dunk right on your na.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Point at you Uh. What About, Grandmama Larry Johnson.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Larry, Og Charlotte hornet grandma ma another one of my favorite.
Players growing up even he Kind of made. Charlot him
though those Dudes have made charlotte and the colors and
the logo cool just by their play and and they're. Swaggering,
Their Style yeah larry larry was a he ain't talked

(42:12):
about enough in today's age as far as what he
brought to the. To the league it's flair his personally,
off the floor but his toughness on the.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Floor as well, now, WE'RE gonna, uh i know we're gonna,
move RIGHT along but i wanted to mention some some,
some Unsung, Heroes the tyrone Heels, of The World, the
Buck Williams, the Oldest Thorp, the Antonio Davis. The brian,
Grants You. Know charles oakley Tell Me. About, charles oakley.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah gotta talk about, the unsung heroes the real. O
G enforces charles oakley was a. Pitome of that he intimidating.
AS they, come i remember uh so back in the
day lay in. My dask career he was on the
same team With, OAK in toronto i think ninety nine
two thousand somewhere. In that ring, and back then they
used to let gus the young kids with people on parents.

(43:06):
On the team they used to let us have free
reign throughout the their reening back. In the day so,
before the game if there wasn't another another player on the,
floor warming up they used to Let me and steph
run out there on the floor and shoot literally with fans,
in the stands fifteen to twenty minutes. Before the game
so one day we're out there shooting and just You know,
what i'm saying it's a buzz. Going around arena were

(43:27):
looking at other, than the court and there's some. Commotion
going on we see some security start running over to
the other side. Under the basket you see. Coaches running,
over i'm like what? Is going on come To Find
out charles. Luckley that thig the story has been told from.
A Different Viewpoint but Charles Luckley, slaps tyron HILL another
another og rebounder back, in The Day. He tyron hill.

(43:51):
He Slapped him, so i'm like we're going, home that night?
Like what happened like my. Dad's telling us oak told
us in the locker room If, he saw tyron he
was going he's gonna handle SOME business because i think
you owe him some money or. Something like that so back,
In the day. Oapa's handler's business, he saw him he
slapped them. Before the game and the craziest part of

(44:13):
the story is he ain't. Even get suspended fun if
you do, that today's age you getting a five to,
ten game suspension, whatever it is it's gonna cost you
a lot of money. And some games, BUT back then
i think they gave. Him a tech maybe he wasn't ejected, from,
the game nothing and then they went on like. Nothing
ever happened so that's that was the area you ran
back there in the nineties where you can.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Bring, that back man bring that, personal personal affairs. Bring
it back. I'M with you. I love it. I Love
it shoutsta oak tyrone like man.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
And, move on yeah and.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Nobody get, hurt you know he was able to, complete
the game he, got the tech and everybody act like.
Nothing ELSE happened so. I love that that's that's that's just. Business.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
RIGHT there oh i think, to, this day oh one
of my pop's, favorite team teammates like he was the
reason why he played that long's he's a reinforcer on
the floor in. The locker room but you knew when
you walk on the floor with a with A, guy
like oh with that toughness and one. Scared of nobody
other guys in the league were intimidated by him just.
Being out there you were't gonna mess with him or
As teammates or he's. Gonna handle. IT so uh i

(45:17):
think that allowed him to play that long. In THE
league and i think we need to bring some of
those type guys back. In the league and that's that's
that's get.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
OFF the couch i don't know if we're gonna get anybody.
OFF the, COUCH i mean i know, during the pandemic
we was calling up random folks to, fill roster spots
and and and a, lot of, guys you know all
of a sudden starts stretching and taking yoga classes and
doing all those things to get. Their body right another
UNDERRATED thing THAT i think I saw was charles mckley
is like, A great cook like he has like knives and,

(45:49):
things like that and he could. He could cook so He,
shouts to, oak you know being able to to whip.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Up a. Stake, That's crazy YEAH oh he i always
see him popping up at Random or like i'll see
him At a random Tuesday game in atlanta sitting, behind
the bench. Just kicking it So shout. Out, Charles, LOCALLY man.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yeah i mean you KNOW these are i, still. Love
basketball man they like. TO watch, it i mean obviously
they would love to get paid like, you guys now
but you know they they kicked. This, Thing off man
they helped they helped start our fandom and how much
we really love the game now. To this day one
more break when, we come back we're going to give our.
Goat top five it's gonna.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Be, some disagreements yeah, FOR some reason i feel like
our less is gonna look. A. Little different.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Ah so, if you know if you know what, time
it is right is it's, go tier time the. Goat
Tier five and i've been thinking really hard as we've
been going through, all these players, AND you know i
could kick things off with my five if, you may
here and then we can go from there and do
some comparison the one with.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
What you, Got all right, so at.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Five, kill O'Neill, okay At Four. The Kimbabo tumbo.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
But tumbo did not.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Make, my, list, okay okay man he's the, League At Three,
hakeem olajuan, Okay At two charles barkley And Number. One,
dennis robin.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yeah that's that's. An easy call. It's my list it's
a little. DIFFER from you i think two of two
or three of the people on your list didn't make my.
List At all so i'm Going at Five alonzo Morning
O g charlotte Horner To. The miami heat we're Gonna
stay in MIAMI, and l a we're Gonna go to shack, at,

(47:49):
number four right doing it. On both, ends number three
We Got The, admiral david robinson young, athlete at two
and this one we got to, look really Similar Got,
to charles barkley and one obviously the goat And Rebound.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
IN dennis robin. I, like that, listen you guys hurd,
our five. Sentence your comments let us know who had.
The best five YOU know. WHAT i mean i, Like
my team YOU know? What i mean my guys really.
Did they thing obviously we Split off With, Robin and
barkley but let us know our bottom three who had,
The better team and make sure you at myself and

(48:32):
seth to let us know who. Won today's debate, ON that.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
End i gotta roll. WITH my five i think my
five is better just because all five of my guys
do it on both ends at. A high. LEVEL i
got i really emphasized the quickness and athleticism a little more,
on my five Having you had elijah one in There,
and with tumbo who they just a little slow for

(48:56):
me back the like on devisit me obviously they decided
swallowed up everything, In the paint, BUT on offense. I
don't know i think you can push him out. A
little bit then, they're not swimming sliding around and getting
active on, The other end so all five of mine
Doing The young david, robinson in there and even though,
who was young who was underrated athlete, as a youngster he.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Calls, A habit, LOOK i love i love your admiration,
for Your team but i'm gonna go with the person
that won the two rings and the domination and what.
He Was doing, and lajauan, was you. Know kicking butt But,
then also boutumbo it wasn't too many touching the paint
or actually throwing ninety bowls with him because he had

(49:41):
one of some of the best elbows, in the nineties
so he was he was cleaning the glass and then
a young shack YOU know what i mean to bottom,
off the five YOU know? What, I mean like i
just think that he was, just you know becoming who
he was supposed to be and prepping himself for, the
next era which he potentially could be a goat in.
That AS well, SO i mean i really. Like my
five i'm Gonna let the i'm gonna let the audience

(50:04):
weigh in and vote to see who has. The BEST
five and i know, you you know you have a
few that's, not ON mine and i have a few that's.
Not on yours, so you know we only only find
out with the votes of the other fans and yall comment,
or you know chime in and, let us know and
then we can kind of follow.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Up with that and that's. What we're here we're here to. Start,
the conversation yeah we're here.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
To start it so now that we got that, out
the way it's time for Born In? The wrong era
who was born in? The? Wrong era Self.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
The whole the one one player WE talked about i
think was born in the wrong era would be electric
and SPECIAL in Today's Nba, With sean kemp like if
you played in and today with, the social media the,
all the highlight he would be. A highlight machine you
see him. Left and right his. Marketability be crazy he's

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a young athlete and he'll be another guy who could
rebound and push it himself. Up THE floor like i
don't think he was giving that full rain back in the.
NINETIES to rebound i think he had a rebound and
throw IT out the Gp And let gary paynton bring
the ball. To the floor but giving him he remind
me A Lot of blake griffin back, in his day
just being able to be up the glass and pushing himself.

(51:22):
And make PLAYS and also i just love, The TIP dunks,
like i said just going to get, off the rim
finishing On guy's next he'll be special on today's. Era
for me.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I'm Gonna, Say, LARRY johnson yeah I just think lj would,
have been, just. You know remarketable he would, have been,
effective you know and, it's Pre injury so I'm talking ABOUT.
Charlotte hornets lj he would have made a. LOT of
money i think he would have been able to, shoot
the three YOU know. What i mean add that to
his game, and his explosiveness and he would have been.
A FAN favorite so i would have LOVED to see

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lj come out in this era and, just punish guys
YOU know, what i mean inside in the out. Of
the paint so that's my guy for born in. THE
wrong era i like. Your pick two both of those
guys would be amazing to watching this era and watch
Them Become perennial all stars and make up to three
hundred million. In their contracts tune. In next week we

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Speaker 2 (52:23):
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Speaker 1 (52:25):
To find me shout out to the Unanimous media and
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Speaker 2 (52:33):
Rate and review, this, is dope man. This is dope
bring up some nostalgia thinking back to SOME old players. I.
Forgot about man we.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Might have To Call. Up. CHARLES oakley, man i mean, at,
this point man anybody YOU know what i mean that
wants to come. On that's listening nineties, you are, welcome
two thousands, you are, welcome twenty tens. You are welcome,
tell your story. Defend your legacy we want. You on
go this Has Been a.

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