October 13, 2020 • 33 mins
We've pretty much established that the djinn are fearsome and powerful, and have an ancient enmity with mankind. But if they were all bad, wouldn't we be under constant threat by them? And what about the ones who would much rather be our friends? After all, it might be a better to keep them on your good side.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Hidden Gin, a production of I Heart
Radio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minkey. Some of
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you may know that I am an attorney by profession
and spent most of my legal career doing immigration and
civil rights work. Well you may not know is that
my legal work eventually led to working briefly for about
six years in national security policy. Now that's another story
to tell, but suffice it to say that work connected
me to experts across the field, military and defense folks,
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policy walks, and government and think tanks, homeland security officials, diplomats,
social media executives, researchers, academics, commune and social workers. Let's
just say it was a broad reaching and deeply interesting work. Now,
many of these connections were virtual, which is pretty common
these days. So I was excited at one point to
be invited to present at a conference where I would
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meet some of these folks in person finally, and one
of those people I was looking forward to meeting was
a national security expert and former intelligence operative from another country,
someone who was pretty well respected in industry circles by
all indications online. He was a fairly serious guy with
some intense experience in the field, and he was often
called upon to testify in high level hearings on national
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security matters. I have been following him online for a
few years and vice versa, and I was pleased when
we met to find him to be pretty laid back
and friendly, and on the first evening of the conference,
as we mingled after dinner, I began gently asking this
gentleman about something I had been curious about for a while.
Years earlier, he had been involved in a controversy that
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involved a criminal proceeding, and it seemed to still haunt
his social media mentions every so often. I remember I
was holding a soda taking SIPs as he began telling
me about what had happened and how he and his
family had gotten through it. But nothing could have prepared
me for what he was going to say. He told
me that for a very long time, for years, he
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had a group of gin, his own gin that protected him.
The details on how he got ahold of these gin
and got them to do his bidding is fuzzy now,
probably because I was trying to process a whole lot
going on in my head. As I listened, he explained
that on the day he was to testify in his
highly publicized and controversial case. He was sequestered in a
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witness waiting room, but his GIN were able to show
him what was happening in the court room, almost as
if the walls between him and the room where the judge, jury,
and lawyers were doing their duties had disappeared. The gin
had lifted the veils of the material world in order
to calm him down, to reassure him that they were
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with him. And so he sat in the witness room
down multiple halls, able to see the proceedings before he
was even called, and when the bailiff came to get him,
he didn't need to be guided into the courtroom. He
knew every turn down the hallway, and he knew who
was who before he stepped in front of the judge.
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These jen he said, had been with him for a
few years before all of this had gone down, and
they protected his life after the trial too, But eventually
he had dismissed them, no longer needing their services. Now,
as I was standing there taking this in, you have
to understand I had no reason not to believe this man. First,
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Why would he a professional with a solid reputation share
a story that could so undermine him. Second, I had
seen or heard nothing about him or from him, Otherwise
that would make me wonder about the state of his
mind or his credibility, and believe me I had asked around. Finally,
I know I have my own inexplicable experiences and which
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I've been convinced a jin was at the root of
my troubles. So if I believe that, why wouldn't I
believe this guy? Where exactly do you draw the line
on what Gin stories are too fantastical to be true?
I mean, really, it's like being a little bit pregnant.
You're either all in or not. Anyhow, it did get
me thinking though about the very nature of gin. Up
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until that point, most of the firsthand stories I had
heard from people who had Gin experiences were either outright
frightening or at least kind of spooky. Even the stories
of the far far past, like the gin that built
Solomon's first temple, were only helpful to humans when they
were being controlled against their will. But this man's story
shifted my perception a little bit about the Gin, Putting
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aside the fact that it was a little problematic as
a lawyer that they rendered the sequestration of a witness
completely meaningless. These gin were protective of their human They
were not just there to guard him physically, but to
calm him down, to take care of his emotional and
mental state. The question then becomes what to make up
a gin. What we know is that while they may
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be everywhere surrounding us at this very moment, and that
they're powerful and able to wreak all kinds of havoc
on us if they want to, they mostly don't. They
just go about their business while doing their best to
steer clear of humans, and they don't even like human
beings entering their space. So are they good? Are they evil?
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Are they our friends or our foes? If you recall
the legend of King Solomon's Jinn's when they were eventually
released from their bondage, they vow to be an enemy
to mankind forever. But most scholars and experts say that
you can't broadly label the gin as good or bad
anymore than you can with people. According to a scholar
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of Arabic literature, so Nila Mubai, orthodox traditionalists say that
people cannot understand the gin. We're either not capable of
it or we're not meant to, but why not? It
would seem they're not too much different than us. They
feel anger, rage, happiness, lust, love, They have free will,
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they marry and have children, and they are countless stories
of Gin studying alongside humans and earthly educational institutes, so
it seems like they like to learn and grow just
like us too. They live in families and tribes and societies,
and their leaders governed peacefully, but will also wage war
when necessary. The Gin characters found in Old Arab folklore
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are almost unnervingly human, facing the same kinds of troubles
and issues we all do. I imagine Jin spouse is
arguing over the bills, and Jin kids pouting over bedtime,
and Jin grandparents spoiling their Jin grand babies. I think that,
just like people, we tend not to hear about the
silent majority of the Gin just living their lives. The
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stories we know about the Jin come from the opposite
ends of the spectrum, the good ones, the helpers, or
the very very bad ones. My name is Robbia Chadar,
and I'll be your guide into the world of the
hidden Gin. Welcome. While the universe may be full of Gin,
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most of them will live their lives completely unknown to us. Some, however,
we know by name because of their power, or their
stature in the Gin realm, or their impact on human lives.
And one of the most famous of the ones that
are named is a Jin whose life story reflects the
complicated nature of these creatures. That Jin is King Schamharush,
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both demon and saint, feared and loved. The story of
Chamharush is thousands of years old. He's one of the
seven Jin kings who originally ruled the Jin kingdoms called
alta Jar. The Flyer. King Chamharoush was known to be
the fastest Jin, able to fly between physical places and dimensions,
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faster than any unit of measurement our feeble mortal minds
could ever come up with. But there may be another
reason he's called the flyer. It could be because of
the speed of his vast communications network. King Chamharoush was
way ahead of the social media and e messaging game,
with a network that's been compared to a river with
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thousands of tributaries and each tributary branching into tens of
thousands of smaller ones. The river itself a legion of
Jin that report back to him, and each of these
gin with the legion of their own, and those jin
with allegiance of their own, all set up so that
Schamharush not only knows what is happening in every part
of the world, his world and ours, but he knows
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it virtually instantly. How's that for a grape vine. The
name Shamharush itself means the usher a moniker he may
have gotten because it's believed that while he might have
been a king, he still did serve more powerful masters,
and so the usher at King Shamharush stood guard at
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one of the entrances to Satan's palace and was directly
in the service of the son of Satan, Prince Mora. Clearly,
this king had allegiances to dark forces, I mean like
he was tight with the worst of them, but it
seems like he eventually saw the light. His legend predates
Islam and Christianity, but it said that once Jesus came along,
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Shamharush apparently became a Christian, and six centuries later he
met the prophet Mohammed, prompting him to then become a Muslim.
Not only did he become a Muslim, though he became
a GODDI a judge of Islamic law, presumably presiding over
matters of religion in the Jinn world. That's what ultimately
landed him the reputation of being a saint, long before
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he became a Christian or a Muslim, even before these
religions existed. Actually, sham Haush was revered. We know this
because almost two thousand four high up in the Atlas
Mountains in Morocco, there stands a massive rock painted white
with a green and white flag flying from its summit.
It's not just any old rock. It's a shrine to
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King sham Haroush dating back thousands of years, and throughout
the history of that shrine, seekers in need of help
have flocked to it, making pilgrimages to ask the Jin's
favor in granting their wishes, and they still do by
the way. Eventually, though, when Islam did spread to the
region about years ago, a mosque was installed next to
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the shrine. But the rock that forms a shrine is
so big that it dwarfs the humble little mosque. The
earth itself is hollowed out beneath the rock, and some
say it's a zo liam that once held the remains
of the Great Jin king himself. Now, it's not clear
when or how cham Harous went from guarding Satan's palace
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to being venerated at a shrine, and it's also not
clear if he's dead or alive. As I mentioned, some
think the shrine is where the king is laid to rest,
but others believe he's still very much alive and takes
care of those who seek him out. One of the
signs that he's still around is that food and water
magically appear to pilgrims as they journey to his shrine,
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as befits his reputation for hospitality and benevolence. Cha Haroush's
story is remarkable in that it means Gin, very much
like humans, have a capacity for new beginnings. Even the
most evil of them can turn their lives around. It's
quite a redemption story, if you ask me, and it
confirms the theory that Jin aren't fundamentally good or bad. Most,
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as I said earlier, just quietly stay in their lanes,
living their lives and leaving us alone. But there are
many stories of Gin entering our world when they want
something from it. And no, I don't mean to haunt
and possess and torture us. In fact, you'd be surprised
at how ordinary their interests are. In the book Legends
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of the Fire Spirits, author Robert Lebling relays a contemporary
story from a young Bangladeshi woman about her time as
a college student at the University of Taka. The woman
isn't named, but for the sake of the story will
call her Maria. In the fall of Maria had moved
out of the campus and into a dorm where she
was assigned a roommate named Lucy. There is something, however,
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about Lucy that wasn't quite right. Lucy was beautiful in
an extraordinary way. She had exceedingly bright eyes, a big,
welcoming smile, a dimple and a mole on her left cheek,
and she was tall with long, dark hair. Her beauty,
said Maria, was unpaired. Allowed She wasn't just lovely on
the outside, though she was incredibly kind, loving, amiable, and
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simply good. The two young women quickly became close friends,
sharing secrets and confiding in each other, and said Maria,
I could not but love her, and I am sure
that she loved me the same. Over the course of
the next few months, Maria noticed that Lucy would do
inexplicable things like finished tasks and work faster than humanly possible.
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One night, Lucy went to visit another student and Maria
waited up for her, knowing that she didn't have a
key to the room. But eventually Maria got sleepy, so
she decided she would just lock the dorm door and
get up to open it when Lucy returned and knocked,
so she fell asleep, but when she woke up a
few hours later, she found Lucy in the room with her.
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Maria demanded to know how she got into the room,
because she knew without a doubt that she had locked it,
but Lucy assured her that no, the door was open
when she got back. Maybe, she said, Maria was so
drowsy that she imagined she had locked the door. Maria
was sure that was not possible, and yet she had
no other explanation for what had happened. The next day, though,
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everything became clear. It was Lucy's birthday on December thirteenth,
so on the night of the summer twelve, Maria wanted
to surprise her exactly at midnight with a necklace she
had bought for her friend. As the clock approached twelve am,
Lucy sat down in front of their shared dresser, brushing
her hair, preparing for bed. Maria pulled out the gift
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and stood behind her roommate, wishing her a happy birthday.
As she latched the necklace around Lucy's neck, Maria looked
up into the mirror to see how the neck was
looked on her friend, and to her shock and horror,
the mirror held no reflection of Lucy at all. There
was just a necklace suspended by itself an air Maria
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screamed and fainted, and when she came to, she was
surrounded by other girls living in the dormitory who had
heard scream. Lucy, however, was nowhere to be seen, and
in fact, she would never be seen again. Maria was
so shaken by all of this that she left school
and returned home for a few months, not wanting to
return to the university. Over time, though she felt guilt
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and regret, she remembered how wonderful Lucy was and what
a great friend she had been, and realized that her
terrified reaction had driven Lucy away because others told her
that Lucy was probably a ginn who had taken human form.
To study at the university, and it could have been that.
After a few months with Maria, Lucy thought they were
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close enough to reveal her secret to her roommate, but
instead it had backfired and Lucy had to quickly disappear.
Maria eventually returned to the campus and was assigned a
new roommate, a girl named Mini. Mini was like Lucy beautiful,
although she didn't exactly look like her until she smiled.
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As smile that seemed oddly familiar, and that's when Maria
noticed on Many's left cheek a dimple and a mole.
Lucy story doesn't come as much of a surprise to me.
I've actually heard firsthand accounts by people people I trust
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who are certain that some student or another they studied
with years earlier was a gin. It seems to be
a rather common theme the gin entering the human realm
to study, though to be honest, I do have questions
about their registration process, transcripts and finances, parent teacher conferences
at all, but maybe I'm thinking too much into it.
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It may seem odd that the gin would want to
go to human schools, but it's said that one of
the ways a gin can increase their rank or power
is through more knowledge. I mean, even we know that
knowledge is power, and gaining knowledge is so important to
some Gin. They not only enter our worlds to study
alongside us, they also study the ancient texts of the
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past to grow ever more powerful. A legend relayed by
the nineteenth century mystic Madame Helena Bolovatsky and her occult
classic Isis Unveiled, tells of an ancient, petrified and buried
city where the Jin pursue their studies. The city referred
to is the three thousand, five hundred year old Ishmania,
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today known as Al Ashmunain, located in Middle Egypt and
rumored to once be filled with the petrified bodies of men, women,
and children. Ishmonia is found near the ruins of a
vast and well known necropolis. This city of the dead
is Hermopolis, which was once the opulent center of the
cult of the pagan deity of Learning and Scribes, both
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known to the Greeks as Ermez. Archaeologists have uncovered a
labyrinth of streets and catacombs and ruins related to the
temple of both. But here the ground underneath your feet
contains not only thousands of catacombs holding the mummified bodies
of people and animals. According to Madame Blavatsky, there are
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also vast subterranean galleries filled with millions of manuscripts and scrolls,
hidden archives holding the ancient writings of thought, the god
believed to be the inventor of writing itself. And while
the ruins stand lonely and unoccupied during the day, according
to Madame Blavatsky, everything changes at night. For no amount
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of money would the Arabs go near it at night?
They say, from the crevices of the desolate ruins, sunk
deep in the unwatered sands of the desert stream, the
rays of lights carried to and fro in the galleries
by no human hands. The afrite Jin study the literature
of the Andaluvian ages, and the Jin learns from the
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magic rolls the lesson of the following day. So yeah,
the Gin definitely know the value of education and knowledge.
These tales also provide us with a different and fascinating
insight when it comes to how the Gin see themselves
in relation to humans. And that's this. They may be
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so much more powerful than us in many ways, with
supernatural abilities. We don't have, but we know things they don't.
They may lift thousands of years more than us and
witness events that we never could, and yet they lack
something we have and they know it, which might be why,
according to all of the Abrahamic faith traditions, at least
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mankind made of mere flesh and blood, is God's most
superior creation. And that's not just me saying it, that's
according to God himself. Human beings are superior to the angels,
and yes to the Gin for sure. That could rub
some gin the wrong way. And then, of course, remember,
the Gin were here before us, thousands of years at
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least before then. We came along and took over the earth,
God's new favorite children early on, though it might not
have bothered them too much, because well before the advent
of the Abrahamic religions, people not only believed in the Gin,
but they worshiped them in ancient times. Scholars believe that
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the early divinities worshiped by the Sumerians, Babylonians, and Akkadians
thousands of years ago were Gin deities, but the advent
of monotheism turned people away from gin idolatry, further enraging
them tolerating humans wasn't so bad as long as a
Gin felt in some way superior to them, and then
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even that was taken away from them. According to the
authors of the book The Vengeful Gin, here's a long
history of perceived indignities and injustices the Gin have had
to bear because of humans, and many of them have
felt deeply wronged ever since we arrived on the scene
and took it over. The Jin who once occupied this
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world now seek to reclaim it back from us, and
if they can't have it back, they'll at least make
our lives miserable for it. Some Jin get their kicks
by playing harmless pranks on people, disappearing objects, moving things around,
playing with our heads, nothing malicious, but sometimes a way
to let a person know that they're around. But one
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of the ways they exert actual power over people, power
that can be used to harm is through shape shifting,
continuously deceiving our eyes while at the same time enticing
us to them. There's a fascinating ancient story relaid by
the scholar Amira al Zane in her book Islam, Arabs
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and the Intelligent World of the Gin that illustrates how
the Gin go about their vengeance. In the story, a
gin named Abu Hadraj recounts his days on earth to
a man who was interrogating him about his life. Hadraj
gains by explaining how the gin and mankind have been
gifted different things. Man, he says, has the gift of stratagem,
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and the gin have the gift of power. I have
suffered evil from men, and they from me. The children
of Adam were evil to me, and I likewise treated them.
Once I entered into their world, wanting to sleep with
one of their maids, and I changed my shape into
the form of a field rat, and the cats chased me.
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And when they got me, I shaped shifted into a
striped serpent and slinked into a tree stump, but they
uncovered me. I followed along the timbers plank, and while
they were wondering where I was, I went to the Virgin,
who was under a mosquito net. And when she saw me,
the fear hit her that her family gathered around her
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from all sides and brought exorcists that called doctors, and
they made every effort to revive her, but I did
not respond. I clutched to her tightly, and when death
hit her. I sought to replace her by another, then another,
then another. Abu Hadraj killed the woman that he sought,
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the virgin. Yes, I know, it's always a virgin somehow.
But he wasn't satisfied. His rage against mankind was so
deep that he killed another, and another and another. The
story ends in an interesting way, though the Jin confesses
that he stopped killing young women when he saw the
light of God and repented his sins, he says were
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now forgiven. This story was originally penned by the blind
tenth century Syrian poet and philosopher Abu Almari, who wrote
it in response to a topic of hot debate in
that era, whether jin were good or evil, and whether
they could make it to paradise after dying. The way
that Almari wrote it, the jinn Abu Hadraj was telling
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his story from where he sat for eternity at the
mouth of a cave in Paradise. So it seems the
gin like man can find their way to heaven. A
rather powerful redemption story. Given them many lives. This gin
had taken lies of young women that apparently had done
nothing to deserve the ire of this gin. But that's
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not always the case, though. While there are times a
gin may choose their victim arbitrarily, more often than not
there is some specific reason a gin will attack a person.
Provoking them on purpose or not is one sure way
to draw their vengeance. In traditional Arab culture, it was
forbidden to casually cast a stone or a fruit pit
into the open, or throw water out of a window,
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or drive stakes into the ground for fear of hurting
a gin without meaning to, and particular care should be
taken not to harm or encroach on places that the
gin might live, like forests and caves and lakes. Pre
modern Persian texts warned not to set wildfires or to
throw waste into bodies of water or trash in the desert,
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because you might inadvertently be di throwing a gin's home
and I can't help. But note it's also some great
advice to keep the planet green and clean, so the
next time you find yourself about to check some trash
in the woods, you might want to rethink it. Just
because you think no one can see you and no
one lives there anyway doesn't mean it's true, and that's
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as good as any reason not to litter. You also
never want to strike an animal, especially a black one,
first because it's simply a terrible thing to do, but
also because that could very well be agent in disguise,
and doing something like that could very well turn and
otherwise neutral Gin into your enemy, an enemy that is
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able to mentally and physically torment you, make you sick,
possess you, even kill you. Although it's said that only
the most evil of them go to those lengths. But
perhaps one of the most frightening things that gin can
do to humans is abduct them and carry them off
into their own world. Stories of gin abductions stretched back
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to the Middle Ages, and there are a number of
reasons people believe the abductions take place. Sometimes a gin
will kidnap someone they've become obsessed with. Sometimes a person
is dragged into their world to stand trial for an
offense they committed against a gin. And sometimes the jin
snatch up young children or babies, never to be seen again, unless,
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of course, they leave a change link a gin baby
in exchange for a human baby. Not everyone disappears forever,
though some return, and interestingly, the accounts of those who
claim to have been kidnapped by gin in the centuries
past are often very similar to moderate accounts of those
claiming to have been abducted by aliens. The reason I
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think this is the most frightening possibility of all, and
the worst thing a Jin could do to a human
is because well, no one will ever know what happened
to their loved one. A missing person, a missing child
leaves open a gaping wound forever, a black hole of
uncertainty and fear for those left behind death. In many ways,
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it's much easier to cope with now. The most common
gin human relationship that most of us have heard about
is the classic genie that grants three wishes scenario. Someone
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finds an object imprisoning a gin, and the gin bargains
for their freedom or sometimes rewards it by granting a
series of wishes. It might seem like a pretty innocuous
set up, a straight deal, something that seems pretty appealing.
In fact. I mean I know, as a kid, I
rubbed plenty of old bottles hoping to gin would pop
out and be under my command and control. What I
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didn't know is that in most cases the Gin are
never under your command and control, not completely. Remember, they
have free will, and they use that to outwit even
their liberators. No story about a gin granting wishes ever
ends happily. In the book The Vengeful Jin, the authors
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note that when asked to grant a wish, the Jin
themselves will often warn the unsuspecting human that they may
not be happy with the consequences of their wish. First
of all, say the writers, the gin might be emerging
from their captivity after thousands of years bitter, resentful, full
of rage, rage against mankind for imprisoning them. And while
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they may or may not be essentially evil, their experience
has made them so. That's why, no matter how carefully
a wish is worded, a gin will find a way
to outwit their liberator by granting the wish in a
way that brings the person a lot of harm or pain. Oftentimes,
in these stories, the person will regret their wishes and
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try to use the last of them to undo the
earlier ones. Interestingly, a similar dynamic exists in Irish folklore
with fairies, and as I've noted previously, many people consider
fairies to be a kind of gin. A common theme
in these stories is fairy brides who grant their human
husbands all sorts of wishes, but with conditions. If any
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of these conditions are broken, even if it's years and
decades later, everything will disappear into fairyland. The husband will
not just lose everything he gained through his wishes, but
he'll lose his fairy bride too. Another common theme in
fairy stories is that they'll put arbitrary conditions on someone
they've granted a wish to, for example, telling the human
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not to look back as they walk away, or not
to look at whatever object they were granted until they
get home. Of course, there's nothing like a restrictive condition
that compels the human being to do exactly what they
were told not to, and as soon as they break
the condition, poof the prize disappears, Which brings us back
to our original question, what to make of the gin?
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Are they our friends or our foes? Suffice it to
say that, according to the experts, including the famed century
theologian Ivantamia, the Jin are generally quote ignorant, untruthful, oppressive,
and treacherous. There never ever to be trusted. They lie,
make false promises, they break, are vindictive, and they are
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master deceivers. Their power may have limits, but in many
ways we are no match for them. Even when we
think we can control them, it's only for a matter
of time. And remember time is on their side, not ours.
If every ying has its yang, then the Jin are
ours their fire to our earth, fighting for the same
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space on this planet. It seems in many ways we
are and will forever be pitted against each other, both
creatures wielding the most dangerous weapon of them all free will.
Thanks for joining us this week. Next week we'll be
bad to take you into another step into the world
of the Gin. Until then, remember we are not alone.
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Welcome to the Hidden Gin, a production of I Heart
Radio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minkey. Some of
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you may know that I am an attorney by profession
and spent most of my legal career doing immigration and
civil rights work. Well you may not know is that
my legal work eventually led to working briefly for about
six years in national security policy. Now that's another story
to tell, but suffice it to say that work connected
me to experts across the field, military and defense folks,
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policy walks, and government and think tanks, homeland security officials, diplomats,
social media executives, researchers, academics, commune and social workers. Let's
just say it was a broad reaching and deeply interesting work. Now,
many of these connections were virtual, which is pretty common
these days. So I was excited at one point to
be invited to present at a conference where I would
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meet some of these folks in person finally, and one
of those people I was looking forward to meeting was
a national security expert and former intelligence operative from another country,
someone who was pretty well respected in industry circles by
all indications online. He was a fairly serious guy with
some intense experience in the field, and he was often
called upon to testify in high level hearings on national
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security matters. I have been following him online for a
few years and vice versa, and I was pleased when
we met to find him to be pretty laid back
and friendly, and on the first evening of the conference,
as we mingled after dinner, I began gently asking this
gentleman about something I had been curious about for a while.
Years earlier, he had been involved in a controversy that
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involved a criminal proceeding, and it seemed to still haunt
his social media mentions every so often. I remember I
was holding a soda taking SIPs as he began telling
me about what had happened and how he and his
family had gotten through it. But nothing could have prepared
me for what he was going to say. He told
me that for a very long time, for years, he
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had a group of gin, his own gin that protected him.
The details on how he got ahold of these gin
and got them to do his bidding is fuzzy now,
probably because I was trying to process a whole lot
going on in my head. As I listened, he explained
that on the day he was to testify in his
highly publicized and controversial case. He was sequestered in a
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witness waiting room, but his GIN were able to show
him what was happening in the court room, almost as
if the walls between him and the room where the judge, jury,
and lawyers were doing their duties had disappeared. The gin
had lifted the veils of the material world in order
to calm him down, to reassure him that they were
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with him. And so he sat in the witness room
down multiple halls, able to see the proceedings before he
was even called, and when the bailiff came to get him,
he didn't need to be guided into the courtroom. He
knew every turn down the hallway, and he knew who
was who before he stepped in front of the judge.
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These jen he said, had been with him for a
few years before all of this had gone down, and
they protected his life after the trial too, But eventually
he had dismissed them, no longer needing their services. Now,
as I was standing there taking this in, you have
to understand I had no reason not to believe this man. First,
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Why would he a professional with a solid reputation share
a story that could so undermine him. Second, I had
seen or heard nothing about him or from him, Otherwise
that would make me wonder about the state of his
mind or his credibility, and believe me I had asked around. Finally,
I know I have my own inexplicable experiences and which
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I've been convinced a jin was at the root of
my troubles. So if I believe that, why wouldn't I
believe this guy? Where exactly do you draw the line
on what Gin stories are too fantastical to be true?
I mean, really, it's like being a little bit pregnant.
You're either all in or not. Anyhow, it did get
me thinking though about the very nature of gin. Up
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until that point, most of the firsthand stories I had
heard from people who had Gin experiences were either outright
frightening or at least kind of spooky. Even the stories
of the far far past, like the gin that built
Solomon's first temple, were only helpful to humans when they
were being controlled against their will. But this man's story
shifted my perception a little bit about the Gin, Putting
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aside the fact that it was a little problematic as
a lawyer that they rendered the sequestration of a witness
completely meaningless. These gin were protective of their human They
were not just there to guard him physically, but to
calm him down, to take care of his emotional and
mental state. The question then becomes what to make up
a gin. What we know is that while they may
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be everywhere surrounding us at this very moment, and that
they're powerful and able to wreak all kinds of havoc
on us if they want to, they mostly don't. They
just go about their business while doing their best to
steer clear of humans, and they don't even like human
beings entering their space. So are they good? Are they evil?
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Are they our friends or our foes? If you recall
the legend of King Solomon's Jinn's when they were eventually
released from their bondage, they vow to be an enemy
to mankind forever. But most scholars and experts say that
you can't broadly label the gin as good or bad
anymore than you can with people. According to a scholar
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of Arabic literature, so Nila Mubai, orthodox traditionalists say that
people cannot understand the gin. We're either not capable of
it or we're not meant to, but why not? It
would seem they're not too much different than us. They
feel anger, rage, happiness, lust, love, They have free will,
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they marry and have children, and they are countless stories
of Gin studying alongside humans and earthly educational institutes, so
it seems like they like to learn and grow just
like us too. They live in families and tribes and societies,
and their leaders governed peacefully, but will also wage war
when necessary. The Gin characters found in Old Arab folklore
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are almost unnervingly human, facing the same kinds of troubles
and issues we all do. I imagine Jin spouse is
arguing over the bills, and Jin kids pouting over bedtime,
and Jin grandparents spoiling their Jin grand babies. I think that,
just like people, we tend not to hear about the
silent majority of the Gin just living their lives. The
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stories we know about the Jin come from the opposite
ends of the spectrum, the good ones, the helpers, or
the very very bad ones. My name is Robbia Chadar,
and I'll be your guide into the world of the
hidden Gin. Welcome. While the universe may be full of Gin,
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most of them will live their lives completely unknown to us. Some, however,
we know by name because of their power, or their
stature in the Gin realm, or their impact on human lives.
And one of the most famous of the ones that
are named is a Jin whose life story reflects the
complicated nature of these creatures. That Jin is King Schamharush,
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both demon and saint, feared and loved. The story of
Chamharush is thousands of years old. He's one of the
seven Jin kings who originally ruled the Jin kingdoms called
alta Jar. The Flyer. King Chamharoush was known to be
the fastest Jin, able to fly between physical places and dimensions,
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faster than any unit of measurement our feeble mortal minds
could ever come up with. But there may be another
reason he's called the flyer. It could be because of
the speed of his vast communications network. King Chamharoush was
way ahead of the social media and e messaging game,
with a network that's been compared to a river with
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thousands of tributaries and each tributary branching into tens of
thousands of smaller ones. The river itself a legion of
Jin that report back to him, and each of these
gin with the legion of their own, and those jin
with allegiance of their own, all set up so that
Schamharush not only knows what is happening in every part
of the world, his world and ours, but he knows
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it virtually instantly. How's that for a grape vine. The
name Shamharush itself means the usher a moniker he may
have gotten because it's believed that while he might have
been a king, he still did serve more powerful masters,
and so the usher at King Shamharush stood guard at
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one of the entrances to Satan's palace and was directly
in the service of the son of Satan, Prince Mora. Clearly,
this king had allegiances to dark forces, I mean like
he was tight with the worst of them, but it
seems like he eventually saw the light. His legend predates
Islam and Christianity, but it said that once Jesus came along,
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Shamharush apparently became a Christian, and six centuries later he
met the prophet Mohammed, prompting him to then become a Muslim.
Not only did he become a Muslim, though he became
a GODDI a judge of Islamic law, presumably presiding over
matters of religion in the Jinn world. That's what ultimately
landed him the reputation of being a saint, long before
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he became a Christian or a Muslim, even before these
religions existed. Actually, sham Haush was revered. We know this
because almost two thousand four high up in the Atlas
Mountains in Morocco, there stands a massive rock painted white
with a green and white flag flying from its summit.
It's not just any old rock. It's a shrine to
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King sham Haroush dating back thousands of years, and throughout
the history of that shrine, seekers in need of help
have flocked to it, making pilgrimages to ask the Jin's
favor in granting their wishes, and they still do by
the way. Eventually, though, when Islam did spread to the
region about years ago, a mosque was installed next to
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the shrine. But the rock that forms a shrine is
so big that it dwarfs the humble little mosque. The
earth itself is hollowed out beneath the rock, and some
say it's a zo liam that once held the remains
of the Great Jin king himself. Now, it's not clear
when or how cham Harous went from guarding Satan's palace
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to being venerated at a shrine, and it's also not
clear if he's dead or alive. As I mentioned, some
think the shrine is where the king is laid to rest,
but others believe he's still very much alive and takes
care of those who seek him out. One of the
signs that he's still around is that food and water
magically appear to pilgrims as they journey to his shrine,
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as befits his reputation for hospitality and benevolence. Cha Haroush's
story is remarkable in that it means Gin, very much
like humans, have a capacity for new beginnings. Even the
most evil of them can turn their lives around. It's
quite a redemption story, if you ask me, and it
confirms the theory that Jin aren't fundamentally good or bad. Most,
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as I said earlier, just quietly stay in their lanes,
living their lives and leaving us alone. But there are
many stories of Gin entering our world when they want
something from it. And no, I don't mean to haunt
and possess and torture us. In fact, you'd be surprised
at how ordinary their interests are. In the book Legends
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of the Fire Spirits, author Robert Lebling relays a contemporary
story from a young Bangladeshi woman about her time as
a college student at the University of Taka. The woman
isn't named, but for the sake of the story will
call her Maria. In the fall of Maria had moved
out of the campus and into a dorm where she
was assigned a roommate named Lucy. There is something, however,
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about Lucy that wasn't quite right. Lucy was beautiful in
an extraordinary way. She had exceedingly bright eyes, a big,
welcoming smile, a dimple and a mole on her left cheek,
and she was tall with long, dark hair. Her beauty,
said Maria, was unpaired. Allowed She wasn't just lovely on
the outside, though she was incredibly kind, loving, amiable, and
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simply good. The two young women quickly became close friends,
sharing secrets and confiding in each other, and said Maria,
I could not but love her, and I am sure
that she loved me the same. Over the course of
the next few months, Maria noticed that Lucy would do
inexplicable things like finished tasks and work faster than humanly possible.
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One night, Lucy went to visit another student and Maria
waited up for her, knowing that she didn't have a
key to the room. But eventually Maria got sleepy, so
she decided she would just lock the dorm door and
get up to open it when Lucy returned and knocked,
so she fell asleep, but when she woke up a
few hours later, she found Lucy in the room with her.
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Maria demanded to know how she got into the room,
because she knew without a doubt that she had locked it,
but Lucy assured her that no, the door was open
when she got back. Maybe, she said, Maria was so
drowsy that she imagined she had locked the door. Maria
was sure that was not possible, and yet she had
no other explanation for what had happened. The next day, though,
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everything became clear. It was Lucy's birthday on December thirteenth,
so on the night of the summer twelve, Maria wanted
to surprise her exactly at midnight with a necklace she
had bought for her friend. As the clock approached twelve am,
Lucy sat down in front of their shared dresser, brushing
her hair, preparing for bed. Maria pulled out the gift
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and stood behind her roommate, wishing her a happy birthday.
As she latched the necklace around Lucy's neck, Maria looked
up into the mirror to see how the neck was
looked on her friend, and to her shock and horror,
the mirror held no reflection of Lucy at all. There
was just a necklace suspended by itself an air Maria
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screamed and fainted, and when she came to, she was
surrounded by other girls living in the dormitory who had
heard scream. Lucy, however, was nowhere to be seen, and
in fact, she would never be seen again. Maria was
so shaken by all of this that she left school
and returned home for a few months, not wanting to
return to the university. Over time, though she felt guilt
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and regret, she remembered how wonderful Lucy was and what
a great friend she had been, and realized that her
terrified reaction had driven Lucy away because others told her
that Lucy was probably a ginn who had taken human form.
To study at the university, and it could have been that.
After a few months with Maria, Lucy thought they were
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close enough to reveal her secret to her roommate, but
instead it had backfired and Lucy had to quickly disappear.
Maria eventually returned to the campus and was assigned a
new roommate, a girl named Mini. Mini was like Lucy beautiful,
although she didn't exactly look like her until she smiled.
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As smile that seemed oddly familiar, and that's when Maria
noticed on Many's left cheek a dimple and a mole.
Lucy story doesn't come as much of a surprise to me.
I've actually heard firsthand accounts by people people I trust
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who are certain that some student or another they studied
with years earlier was a gin. It seems to be
a rather common theme the gin entering the human realm
to study, though to be honest, I do have questions
about their registration process, transcripts and finances, parent teacher conferences
at all, but maybe I'm thinking too much into it.
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It may seem odd that the gin would want to
go to human schools, but it's said that one of
the ways a gin can increase their rank or power
is through more knowledge. I mean, even we know that
knowledge is power, and gaining knowledge is so important to
some Gin. They not only enter our worlds to study
alongside us, they also study the ancient texts of the
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past to grow ever more powerful. A legend relayed by
the nineteenth century mystic Madame Helena Bolovatsky and her occult
classic Isis Unveiled, tells of an ancient, petrified and buried
city where the Jin pursue their studies. The city referred
to is the three thousand, five hundred year old Ishmania,
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today known as Al Ashmunain, located in Middle Egypt and
rumored to once be filled with the petrified bodies of men, women,
and children. Ishmonia is found near the ruins of a
vast and well known necropolis. This city of the dead
is Hermopolis, which was once the opulent center of the
cult of the pagan deity of Learning and Scribes, both
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known to the Greeks as Ermez. Archaeologists have uncovered a
labyrinth of streets and catacombs and ruins related to the
temple of both. But here the ground underneath your feet
contains not only thousands of catacombs holding the mummified bodies
of people and animals. According to Madame Blavatsky, there are
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also vast subterranean galleries filled with millions of manuscripts and scrolls,
hidden archives holding the ancient writings of thought, the god
believed to be the inventor of writing itself. And while
the ruins stand lonely and unoccupied during the day, according
to Madame Blavatsky, everything changes at night. For no amount
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of money would the Arabs go near it at night?
They say, from the crevices of the desolate ruins, sunk
deep in the unwatered sands of the desert stream, the
rays of lights carried to and fro in the galleries
by no human hands. The afrite Jin study the literature
of the Andaluvian ages, and the Jin learns from the
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magic rolls the lesson of the following day. So yeah,
the Gin definitely know the value of education and knowledge.
These tales also provide us with a different and fascinating
insight when it comes to how the Gin see themselves
in relation to humans. And that's this. They may be
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so much more powerful than us in many ways, with
supernatural abilities. We don't have, but we know things they don't.
They may lift thousands of years more than us and
witness events that we never could, and yet they lack
something we have and they know it, which might be why,
according to all of the Abrahamic faith traditions, at least
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mankind made of mere flesh and blood, is God's most
superior creation. And that's not just me saying it, that's
according to God himself. Human beings are superior to the angels,
and yes to the Gin for sure. That could rub
some gin the wrong way. And then, of course, remember,
the Gin were here before us, thousands of years at
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least before then. We came along and took over the earth,
God's new favorite children early on, though it might not
have bothered them too much, because well before the advent
of the Abrahamic religions, people not only believed in the Gin,
but they worshiped them in ancient times. Scholars believe that
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the early divinities worshiped by the Sumerians, Babylonians, and Akkadians
thousands of years ago were Gin deities, but the advent
of monotheism turned people away from gin idolatry, further enraging
them tolerating humans wasn't so bad as long as a
Gin felt in some way superior to them, and then
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even that was taken away from them. According to the
authors of the book The Vengeful Gin, here's a long
history of perceived indignities and injustices the Gin have had
to bear because of humans, and many of them have
felt deeply wronged ever since we arrived on the scene
and took it over. The Jin who once occupied this
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world now seek to reclaim it back from us, and
if they can't have it back, they'll at least make
our lives miserable for it. Some Jin get their kicks
by playing harmless pranks on people, disappearing objects, moving things around,
playing with our heads, nothing malicious, but sometimes a way
to let a person know that they're around. But one
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of the ways they exert actual power over people, power
that can be used to harm is through shape shifting,
continuously deceiving our eyes while at the same time enticing
us to them. There's a fascinating ancient story relaid by
the scholar Amira al Zane in her book Islam, Arabs
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and the Intelligent World of the Gin that illustrates how
the Gin go about their vengeance. In the story, a
gin named Abu Hadraj recounts his days on earth to
a man who was interrogating him about his life. Hadraj
gains by explaining how the gin and mankind have been
gifted different things. Man, he says, has the gift of stratagem,
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and the gin have the gift of power. I have
suffered evil from men, and they from me. The children
of Adam were evil to me, and I likewise treated them.
Once I entered into their world, wanting to sleep with
one of their maids, and I changed my shape into
the form of a field rat, and the cats chased me.
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And when they got me, I shaped shifted into a
striped serpent and slinked into a tree stump, but they
uncovered me. I followed along the timbers plank, and while
they were wondering where I was, I went to the Virgin,
who was under a mosquito net. And when she saw me,
the fear hit her that her family gathered around her
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from all sides and brought exorcists that called doctors, and
they made every effort to revive her, but I did
not respond. I clutched to her tightly, and when death
hit her. I sought to replace her by another, then another,
then another. Abu Hadraj killed the woman that he sought,
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the virgin. Yes, I know, it's always a virgin somehow.
But he wasn't satisfied. His rage against mankind was so
deep that he killed another, and another and another. The
story ends in an interesting way, though the Jin confesses
that he stopped killing young women when he saw the
light of God and repented his sins, he says were
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now forgiven. This story was originally penned by the blind
tenth century Syrian poet and philosopher Abu Almari, who wrote
it in response to a topic of hot debate in
that era, whether jin were good or evil, and whether
they could make it to paradise after dying. The way
that Almari wrote it, the jinn Abu Hadraj was telling
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his story from where he sat for eternity at the
mouth of a cave in Paradise. So it seems the
gin like man can find their way to heaven. A
rather powerful redemption story. Given them many lives. This gin
had taken lies of young women that apparently had done
nothing to deserve the ire of this gin. But that's
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not always the case, though. While there are times a
gin may choose their victim arbitrarily, more often than not
there is some specific reason a gin will attack a person.
Provoking them on purpose or not is one sure way
to draw their vengeance. In traditional Arab culture, it was
forbidden to casually cast a stone or a fruit pit
into the open, or throw water out of a window,
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or drive stakes into the ground for fear of hurting
a gin without meaning to, and particular care should be
taken not to harm or encroach on places that the
gin might live, like forests and caves and lakes. Pre
modern Persian texts warned not to set wildfires or to
throw waste into bodies of water or trash in the desert,
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because you might inadvertently be di throwing a gin's home
and I can't help. But note it's also some great
advice to keep the planet green and clean, so the
next time you find yourself about to check some trash
in the woods, you might want to rethink it. Just
because you think no one can see you and no
one lives there anyway doesn't mean it's true, and that's
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as good as any reason not to litter. You also
never want to strike an animal, especially a black one,
first because it's simply a terrible thing to do, but
also because that could very well be agent in disguise,
and doing something like that could very well turn and
otherwise neutral Gin into your enemy, an enemy that is
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able to mentally and physically torment you, make you sick,
possess you, even kill you. Although it's said that only
the most evil of them go to those lengths. But
perhaps one of the most frightening things that gin can
do to humans is abduct them and carry them off
into their own world. Stories of gin abductions stretched back
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to the Middle Ages, and there are a number of
reasons people believe the abductions take place. Sometimes a gin
will kidnap someone they've become obsessed with. Sometimes a person
is dragged into their world to stand trial for an
offense they committed against a gin. And sometimes the jin
snatch up young children or babies, never to be seen again, unless,
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of course, they leave a change link a gin baby
in exchange for a human baby. Not everyone disappears forever,
though some return, and interestingly, the accounts of those who
claim to have been kidnapped by gin in the centuries
past are often very similar to moderate accounts of those
claiming to have been abducted by aliens. The reason I
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think this is the most frightening possibility of all, and
the worst thing a Jin could do to a human
is because well, no one will ever know what happened
to their loved one. A missing person, a missing child
leaves open a gaping wound forever, a black hole of
uncertainty and fear for those left behind death. In many ways,
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it's much easier to cope with now. The most common
gin human relationship that most of us have heard about
is the classic genie that grants three wishes scenario. Someone
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finds an object imprisoning a gin, and the gin bargains
for their freedom or sometimes rewards it by granting a
series of wishes. It might seem like a pretty innocuous
set up, a straight deal, something that seems pretty appealing.
In fact. I mean I know, as a kid, I
rubbed plenty of old bottles hoping to gin would pop
out and be under my command and control. What I
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didn't know is that in most cases the Gin are
never under your command and control, not completely. Remember, they
have free will, and they use that to outwit even
their liberators. No story about a gin granting wishes ever
ends happily. In the book The Vengeful Jin, the authors
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note that when asked to grant a wish, the Jin
themselves will often warn the unsuspecting human that they may
not be happy with the consequences of their wish. First
of all, say the writers, the gin might be emerging
from their captivity after thousands of years bitter, resentful, full
of rage, rage against mankind for imprisoning them. And while
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they may or may not be essentially evil, their experience
has made them so. That's why, no matter how carefully
a wish is worded, a gin will find a way
to outwit their liberator by granting the wish in a
way that brings the person a lot of harm or pain. Oftentimes,
in these stories, the person will regret their wishes and
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try to use the last of them to undo the
earlier ones. Interestingly, a similar dynamic exists in Irish folklore
with fairies, and as I've noted previously, many people consider
fairies to be a kind of gin. A common theme
in these stories is fairy brides who grant their human
husbands all sorts of wishes, but with conditions. If any
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of these conditions are broken, even if it's years and
decades later, everything will disappear into fairyland. The husband will
not just lose everything he gained through his wishes, but
he'll lose his fairy bride too. Another common theme in
fairy stories is that they'll put arbitrary conditions on someone
they've granted a wish to, for example, telling the human
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not to look back as they walk away, or not
to look at whatever object they were granted until they
get home. Of course, there's nothing like a restrictive condition
that compels the human being to do exactly what they
were told not to, and as soon as they break
the condition, poof the prize disappears, Which brings us back
to our original question, what to make of the gin?
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Are they our friends or our foes? Suffice it to
say that, according to the experts, including the famed century
theologian Ivantamia, the Jin are generally quote ignorant, untruthful, oppressive,
and treacherous. There never ever to be trusted. They lie,
make false promises, they break, are vindictive, and they are
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master deceivers. Their power may have limits, but in many
ways we are no match for them. Even when we
think we can control them, it's only for a matter
of time. And remember time is on their side, not ours.
If every ying has its yang, then the Jin are
ours their fire to our earth, fighting for the same
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space on this planet. It seems in many ways we
are and will forever be pitted against each other, both
creatures wielding the most dangerous weapon of them all free will.
Thanks for joining us this week. Next week we'll be
bad to take you into another step into the world
of the Gin. Until then, remember we are not alone.
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If you loved today's episode, I'm gonna ask you a
big favor. Please stop my iTunes and leave me a
rating and a review, even if it's just one short sentence.
Not only is that how other listeners discover the podcast,
but it's also what keeps the podcast going. And for
every thousand reviews that I get on iTunes, I'll release
another Patreon episode absolutely free. That's right, We're on Patreon,
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so if you're a Gin enthusiast, check out the Companion
Patreon series at patreon dot com slash Hidden Jin. Again,
that's patreon dot com slash Hidden Gin, and remember Jin
is spelled d J I N N that's where you're
gonna find an amazing series of interviews between me, scholars, experts, artist, historians,
and every day lay people who have had extraordinary experiences
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with Jin and everybody can check out the first episode
absolutely free. It's me and my husband sharing our Jen
stories and it was a lot of fun. And if
you have any Gin stories, well, I'd love to hear
from you. Email me at the Hidden Gin at gmail
dot com. Once again, it's The Hidden Gin Gin with
a D at gmail dot com and you might just
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hear back from me, or you might hear your story
on this show. And finally, don't forget to follow us
on social media. We're on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram with
the handle the Hidden Gin. There you can tweet, post, insta,
dm me. I'd love to hear from all of you,
and believe me, I read every single message. The Hidden
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Gin is a production of I Heart Radio and Grimm
and Mild from Aaron Mankey. The podcast is written and
hosted by Robbia Chaudry and produced by Miranda Hawkins and
Trevor Young, with executive producers Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, and
Matt Frederick. Music for the show was provided by Smithsonian
Folkways Recordings. Our theme song was created by Patrick Cortez.
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