February 8, 2024 • 35 mins
Jeff and Susie discuss *Ted and Mary* from season 1.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hi, this is Jeff Garland.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm with scus yes man.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, so you just heard our theme song. What do
you think of it, Susie.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I think it's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It is gorgeous. Yeah, let's start the.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Show, okay, episode two, Yes, season one, Ted and Mary,
let me just start by telling this little anecdote. Ted
and Mary knew Larry because they both had houses in
the summer and Martin's vineyard. And when Larry first did
the first hour special pilot, he showed it to Ted
and Mary, and Ted thought it was the worst thing
he'd ever seen.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You've heard him tell this story.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
He thought it was just like he was like, oh
my god, good luck with this, rolling his eyes. And
then here he is in episode two of the season.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And by the way, we'll get to this later, but
in this episode, he's kind of playing something that he's
not normally used to playing. Which is he's the good guy.
He's being magnanimous, you know. Throughout the episode.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
His character has changed, yes, very much so.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
And by the way, he does say heaven in real
life when describing.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Something, well, that's what Larry will frequently take the reality
of somebody go with it. So it starts out in
a bowling alley, which I'd like to know how many
times they actually well bolt together.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I don't know, but I think that Larry probably. But
you know, there's those interesting questions I asked him. We're
talking about photography. He says, I've never used a camera. Why,
As a matter of fact, I've never taken a picture,
and of course I lose my shit. Yeah, and we
go into detail on it, and he tells me he's
never used to cam, never put money with the kid,
never put money in the jukebox.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
So he's a very usual being.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So Monday, I think we need to ask him if
he's ever been bowling, you know, because it's fun. Not
for me. I hate it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Oh, I like it.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I hate bowling. Maybe it's because they call me gutterball Joe.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
They're having a good time.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I'm shocked that he even wore those disgusting bowling shoes.
You remember when you were a kid, you went into
the bowling alley and they'd spray the inside of the show.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But everybody wore them.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
That's disgusting, but you wore them when you were knowing
Larry as I do that he would have ever worn
those shoes. But again, and they're having a great time,
and then he goes to get his real shoes and
they're gone.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
His campers, right, yeah, Jimmy loves By.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
The way, I want to also say with Mary Steen
Virgin and Ted Danson on the show. First off, love
Mary Steen Virgin and everything she's ever been in. My
favorite movie that she did at that point was a
movie called Time after Time with her first McDowell about
to say Roddy.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
McDowell, no no, and then but totally dancing.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That was somebody to me where I was. I remember
once seeing him. He was ahead of me drive on
to the Paramount lot as I'm coming in, and he
had a Lexus LS four hundred, first or second year,
this big Lexus sedan this very early on in Lexus,
and I thought, look at him, Ted dance and he's
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got it all. I've told him this and I I
would I would look at him, be around him, like, wow,
I'm talking to you know, you're the voice. I'm talking
to Ted Danson. I'm having a conversation with Ted Danson.
And I would also think I'm doing a scene with
Ted Danson.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I would say, though always because he's a joy. He's
a joy.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
No, they're both so, you know. But Ted's my favorite
actor I've ever worked with. That I can put it
that far. But even to this day, when I'm doing
a scene with him, I can't believe I'm doing this acting.
I'm acting with Ted dancing. I just yeah, it was
very exciting for me, and I don't lose that. I
still have it today, the excitement of Ted dances. So
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when by the way, that's that's a great book, the.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Excitement Ted dancing. So when Larry goes to get his
shoes and Ted says to him, and clearly these couples
are just getting to know each other, they're not friends yet.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
You know later later on we know what happens with
Ted and Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
But Ted says, our.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Listeners do they do? Of course, we're not spoiling.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
We're listening to the show, and you're not.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Watched, if not all most of the Curb episodes. Then
we're really mistaken.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
The only thing we don't want to spoil is what
we're shooting now, Russell, I.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Can't imagine someone listening to the show and never having
watched Curb you and they're just sort of jumping on
board and they said to themselves, I have to check
out this show that they.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Call Take All Kinds.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yes, I know, okay, Ted says to him, does this
happen to you a lot? And again this is setting up.
This is Larry. Things happened to Larry in real life,
not Larry Matt Larry Show. Larry. Things have always happened
to Larry that don't happen to anybody else.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, by the way, I guarantee, guarantee this premise did
not happen to him. But somebody lost his shoes. That
was some way, in some way, there's a shoe problem.
And he came up with the premise after the shoe
problem happened.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
And then there's the heaven thing.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, Ted saying heaven is just so him.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
The other thing that struck me was Bye.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Let me just say for our listeners, Ted Danson will
describe things from gum to adore as heaven. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
The other thing that struck me about it was when
he says that Ted asks a lot of questions about
personal hygiene. Now, personal hygiene is an issue with Larry
that you see it throughout all the episodes. We see
it in real life. He is a personal hygiene awareness person.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, by the way, we were discussing, we were filming
a scene and we got into a conversation about using
pool humor. I'll refer to it as that scatological gatological humor.
And he doesn't like it. And if Leman doesn't like it,
and I know I don't like it, I don't like
it no more. The three of us have in common
were men, all right, But anyhow.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I don't like it either. Now to me.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Oh, it's so low, so easy. But anyhow, he likes
things that are pristine, clean, no poop, And I'm talking
about language. He'll say, fuck, I'm not saying that. Which,
by the way, when people do knockoffs of Curb, especially
in the early days, they seem to think what it
is is a TV show you can swear on. That
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was a difference early on between us and any of
the show that was like us.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Well, because it's on HBO.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Also, it's not network, right, but they would get shows
on show Time wherever at that point was a cable show.
That was a differentiation. It didn't happen for like three
four years, but they thought, oh, we'll just swear, and
we only swear like when it's necessary, you swear like.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Nobody's However, I've always felt that people think that that's
what they.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Respect in my character, and I don't think that's correct.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
It's your character. I forgot it.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I think what so many people respond to about Susie
Green is her comfort with her anger. Is what women
respond to about her character. Not that she's saying fuck
you and fuck this. It's that she is so completely
owning her anger, which is a very difficult thing for
a lot of women.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And that's what I.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Own their anger.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, oh wow, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Are most women angry?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Is because of men?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
No, I think most people are angry. I thinks that
make us angry all the time. I know, And I
think women are have a built in oppression there that
they're angry about. And I think that Susie Green has
given them permission to express their anger. It's not the language.
And again, the language is secondary. It's the content of
the show that is really the thing that's edgy to me,
not the language. It's the content.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yes, it goes off the contents, but that's just a
funny thing to point out that no one would know
about Larry that he finds that kind of humor.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And also bathroom habits, flossing habits, those are of great
concern to.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Him, great concern, Yeah, great concern.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It's not that he won't use it, but he's not
a person that sprinkles profanities throughout his conversation right in general. No,
by the way, I do way more than him.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And so do I. I've got a mouth that I
see that crap all the time. And no, he does not.
He generally doesn't. And he does in a big way
where I'll tell him a story and he'll go fuck them,
you know what I mean, But it's not part of
of his dialogue.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
So they go bowling and they have a great time,
and then Larry and Cheryl are home discussing the double date,
which I think it's a great, great scene and it
just tells so much about their relationship. And again this
is in the beginning. You know, they're just finding it right,
you know the idea.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Well, by the way, you also have to add because
it's part of the show that Ted and Mary invite
Cheryl and Larry to go.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
See Simon in concert in concert, which Larry hems and
hawes over which I'm surprised in the beginning because I
would think, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Larry David, the real Larry David, which this is based
on up until ten years ago. He didn't go.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He didn't go. But he loves Paul Simon.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I know, I know, I know he does.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
We'll be right back. Stay tuned, Okay, we're back. The
whole idea that you can't be friends with a hetero
other hetero person, I think is a really interesting concept.
You know, Like I have a very close friend who
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you know who. I was extremely close friends with him
before he was married, so I'm grandfathered in as a
hetero woman and he's a hetero man. But once you're married,
it's hard to make those relationships with They.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
All pretty much have to be pre existing.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
They have to be grandfathered in.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
You know, because if you're friends with somebody and your
significant other knows that you're friends with them, and they
actually are friends with them, but you try to explain
a new person that you're having caught.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It very difficult, very difficult. You could say to Sari,
I'm having dinner with Susie.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
She's fine, yeah, but if i'm I have But by
the way, I have numerous women friends who Sari is
all good with me. But I remember one time I
mentioned somebody and she wasn't too you know, well, Marla
would do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And I would do the same thing. And the mistake
that Larry makes is he is way too, way too
effusive about how terrific.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
By the way, Clearly, what we're saying is a man
with a crush, which I think is totally cool.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
That's right, totally cool.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I don't there's anything wrong with that. And I don't
think he was planning on having an affair with her.
I think no, I know, but I think he was
just tickled and couldn't get enough of her. And I
know I felt that way about women. You know, I
knew I'm not gonna go for this. I'm married, I
have a girl friend, whatever it is, I am not
but boy, oh boy, I'm I'm pretty taken with this.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You know. I do think that being in a long
term relationship and having crushes and flirting somewhat are healthy.
I think it keeps it's an enlivening thing.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
When I first got married, I didn't know that it
was okay to have dead No, but I know. But
I purposely like had blinders on for a number of
you in terms of I never opened up to that.
And then the first crush that I had, I was like,
oh wow, this is cool. Yeah, I haven't felt this way.
How fun.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
And there's a big difference between having a crush and
acting out on a crush.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, it's not even ever a crush then' it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It's acting it's an affair. But he clearly has a
crush on Mary. Clearly has a crush on Mary to
the point where he becomes a different person. He loves shopping,
he loves cooking, he loves you know, all of this
kind of stuff. He said Barney's again, a long lost
dead Barney's, which we've used more than once.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
And he says it's heaven.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
That's how far he goes in his crush that he
says to Mary, this jacket is heaven.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It's the same.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Jacket that she's worried exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
You know, try that with with Cheryl, you know what I.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Mean, It's like, yeah, and Cheryl, Cheryl is so good.
You see in that scene where the subtlety of Cheryl's
performance is.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I think like everyone on the show except for me,
everybody's gotten better.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
What do you mean except for you?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I was great from the get okay, all right, so anyhow,
but Cheryl has developed so beautifully in her character because
her character is mostly subtle and mostly picks up the minutia.
And that's a hard gig.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But you saw it in that scene. You saw she
was annoyed, but she wasn't really going there.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
She found it curious.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, I found it curious.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
But it's the beginning of really seeing their relationship develop.
These things take time, especially when you're improvising and it's
not written. You have to find it.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You know, the great line when they go to lunches
and he's talking about how he cooks, and she says
Mary'sberg just says that's so sexy. Yes, and then her
mother gets mad at her. But then her mother says,
this is the classic exchange of the episode, which is.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Your wife must be very proud of you.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yes, no, she's not not at all.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You know. I looked her up Anne Haney, who played
Mary's mother, I looked her up this morning, and this
was the last thing she did.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
She died right after that.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Oh, I did not know that she was a delight.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
She died young. She was only six self.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I'm sary that she was in Missus doubtfire.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yes she was. She had a very nice career. But
this was the last thing she did. Was this episode
of kerb was the last professional thing that she did.
Something about that song, No, it's really we were lucky.
The only thing that struck me about when they're shopping
in Barney's was Larry's vanity. He says to Mary's mother,
did you like that the sleeves were kind of puffy
in the slip? But and his vanity all about what
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he lost, Like take.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
That as he's trying to ingratiate himself. He was saying that.
But I don't I think that was false vanity. I
don't think you really worried about the sleep. And by
the way, I think he took that stuff home unless
he thought he was seeing Mary, that stuff would all
stay in the closet.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
All the stuff that he bought. Something was attempts to
return it.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
First off, his reaction and I do think it was
a bit extreme to drinking Mary's mother's water was but
that being said that it is true and he would
have spin it out, just not that way because it
was like, Larry, you drink poison. That's what the thing was.
But that's also the nuances of the show, you know.
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But I love when he came home. He was going
upstairs with the clothes and she said I'm in here, yeah,
and he has to walk in with all the clothes
and at first he just talks about how he loves shopping.
When shopping, then he slowly adds that Mary was there
with her mother. They had lunch, and it's becoming clear
to Cheryl, like, what the fuck is all that he
(14:51):
had a date?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
He went on a date with Mary, Yeah, basically, and
what if her mother wasn't there? She was so but
you know, by the.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Way he got Ted said heaven. In the episode when
Ted he had the great timing of Mary took the
wrong bag and he gave his bag and they walk
out in front and Ted is giving him subtle shit
like he doesn't have to say anything.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And that is the beauty of how the outlines are
done right. You know, he could have not had that
scene right. It appears to be gratuitous in a sense,
but of course it's not. Well by the way it
wrote so much information. Ted sees that he has the
same shirt jacket that Mary has. It's all the signs
are there.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Well, yeah, it's a beauty. But also in that scene,
and I forgot what he's referring to, Ted says, heaven.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, it was something about yeah, it's the trunk where
the yea.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, it's something about the yard. But I also want
to say that, quite often on the show, and I'm
privy to this, Larry will whisper to me the scene
will never make it into the cut, not going to
use it, not using the scene. So there's a scene
that's being filmed, and I know as I'm watching it, oh,
this is never going to be in the show.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I'll bet you it was less in the beginning than
that's most certainly, Yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
His radar is much stronger now, he might not have
known that, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I mean also, these arcs are much more complicated now. Yes,
early on there was this it was a very simple
you know, there was a couple of.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Things going on a fan of the Simple.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I like the Simple too. But there was the Barneys,
which had the callback with the salesman, there was the
Bowling which had the callback with the shoes, and there
was the Paul Simon.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
By the way, I want to talk about the salesman.
He's played by a gentleman named Tim Bagley, who is
one of the funniest men in town. I've known him
since the eighties, the mid eighties. He was a Groundlings
guy and he was in the show because of my recommendation.
That's the fun part at that point of the show.
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Being an executive producer, it's like, oh, he will beat
the shit out of everybody. And back then, by the way,
I could just say this guy's right for it, and
Larry would have me talk about the person and he
would agree.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
There wasn't a whole audition.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
There was. I will explain how that changed. Well, there
was auditioned people. But if I wanted somebody, he trusted me,
and he trusted Larry Charles. This is season two, especially
where especially if Larry Charles and I doubled up on Larry,
we could pretty much get anyone on the show. But
Larry Charles and I took that with a great responsibility.
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We only wanted great people. It isn't like getting your friends.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Well, let me ask you this. I just want to
have a little sidebar here, right. So he was drowning
your honor. He was a Groundlings guy. Yes, so I
feel that generally when you have improv actors which Groundlings
is an improv group for people who don't know that,
or stand up comics, Yes, are way better at this
than actors night and day. Now, occasionally you get a
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great actor like a John Ham who's brilliant at improvising.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Right, he's wonderful them, but not always.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
There have been times that has spen difficult.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Sometimes that's the usual.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Not Ted. Ted's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Ted is wonderful. But Ted at first was very uncomfortable
with it. He would talk to me about it, now,
what do I do? How is it going on? And
I'll get to more of that later. But Ted wasn't natural.
He just didn't realize he was a natural.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
But in general, you agree with that.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
By the way, whenever we hire straight ahead actors, there's
a large chance they're going to be flat or they're
not going to understand how the work.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Is done because they're used to having scripts.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, there was an actor and I'll say it now
because I don't want to talk about it when we
talk about the episode, very famous actor who was on
KURB and he was very broad. I mean the tone
of his performance was so broad. I couldn't figure it out. Now.
This actor brought with him his family to set, and
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his children were telling me how much they love Curb Your.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Enthusiasm, So he was doing it for them.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
But he'd never seen the show and he was acting
in a style that he thought comedy shows were in
the style of and so it was confusing Larry, Larry Charles,
Larry David, and myself. After every take, we're like completely
confused because this is a great actor. And then once
I figured it, I told them and they're like, oh yeah.
(19:08):
So that gave Larry Charles an idea directing episode, an
idea of how to approach it, and he was successful
in it because he was better. Years later, I run
into this actor and I say, I know, if you
remember me Curb you, Yeah, your boss doesn't like other
people being funny because he didn't understand comedy and he
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thought because you know, he thought that was comedy, and
by the way. A lot of actors do what they
think is comedy. Like you watch sitcoms that are popular
with people watching it who think that's funny. I should
laugh at that, I should like that, you know, But
they're all actors on that show acting in a way
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that they think is funny with usually bad material. So
from all angles, nothing's funny. And in this case, I
think we're doing something funny in this person and just
did not get it.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Well, this is the same person I ran into I
remember on Madison Avenue and I again introduced myself and
I hadn't been there that day, and he said to me,
I don't think your boss likes me. And I said why,
and he said, because he didn't send me a gift
after I did.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
The To a whole other level, this is a gift.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
We have rap gifts after a whole season, but who
sends a gift after an episode. I've never heard of that.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
At that point, it was like, you do the gig,
you go home, and by the way, if there's a
gift sent to you at the end of the season,
it's great. I just got I just did a show
called Never Have I Ever for a Netflix and when
I wrapped. Nobody gave me anything, but about a month
or so later I got a nice gift, a wrap.
It was actually sneakers that I'll never wear and they
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said never have I ever on the back. But I've
got him in the By the way, contact me on
my Instagram, you know I checked sometimes and say you
want on them. By the way, here's the thing. Their
size fourteen.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
What size are you fourteen?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Okay, no, I'm not a size eleven and they gave
me fourteen. So there's size fourteen.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Oh I might want those seriously. Yeah, I'll find out.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
All right, I'll give you that.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
We'll be right back. Stay tuned. Okay, we're back. So
let's go back because my next note was the Barney salesman.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, that's that he knows how to do it. Yes,
And also I want to point out and.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
He knows how to build the anger, which is another
thing that people don't understand.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
The kid. But he's not angry yet. Yeah, he's at
this point. He's helping Larry. He's confused. He's doing a
favor for Larry. Usually you have to order them ahead
of time. That will bring up in a minute. Now,
I have something very interesting to point. No, No, it
has to be when in the show it happened. Okay, yeah, okay,
because it's.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I didn't know we had that rule. But that's fine.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
By the way, I have my rules of your room. Yeah,
you want to talk about the ending up top, I
don't care.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So he buys because his shoes had been given to
somebody else in the Bowling Alley. Larry is in Barney's
with Mary and her mother and he buys another pair
of these shoes, but he has to order them.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
They're not in stock. He has to special order them.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
But then he gets a call that the fella who
stole his shoes is at the bowling Alley. Larry rushes
to the bowling Alley. He gets told that's him, and
he goes up and he says to the guy, hey, nice.
He plays it slowly. Nice shoes and this, by the way,
this is played by the guy who stole the shoes
(22:37):
is Joe Liss, another person I shoehorned in. Joe Liss
is one of the greatest improvisers that I've ever worked with,
ever watched. I'd say him Deve Pasquasi and Dan Caslenetta.
In terms of my time at Second City.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Here's what I think about Joe Liss.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Why I think he was so good because he didn't
immediately go into this big argument thing.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, by the way that it's the point that see
that whole exchange is what Joe improvised. And I know
he improvised this because I know when it was written
it was like he didn't say this. So Joe says, really,
your shoes, Well he gave him to me. There he goes, yeah,
but you took my shoes, and he kept saying two words,
that's weird. Yeah, that's weird, and everything that he said
(23:21):
was weird. Larry shot down with logic, No, it's not
weird that he gave you the shoes. It's weird that
you took the shoes. Yeah, but it goes over and
it doesn't build, which is unusual for an altercation. It's
just that's weird Larry saying it, that's weird, and it was.
To me, it was a thing of beauty. That's my
favorite scene in the episode, unequivocally in terms of improvised scenes,
(23:44):
what I want to see and what I hope it
is going to be there. That was classic and beautiful
and I loved it and it made me think, oh,
maybe we can do some damage here if we have
more stuff like that. Yeah, So God blessed Joe Liss
still alive, because normally said God Joe Liss. Did Joe pass? No,
he didn't, not pass.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
But so he gets the shoes back. He takes him
to the shoemaker to have him fumigated. Yes, which of
course you have to do that. And it's very large.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
The way I want to add this, there's another little
and we're coming to what I was going to say earlier.
The shoe fella cobbler guy.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, uh, shoemaker.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
The shoemaker. I said, I recognize you. What have I
seen you in? You've seen familiar? He was in Planet
of the Apes.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Oh really, Yes, he was.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Like the young boy ape guy who helped them leave.
And he's a boy in the movie even an ape
boy champoo.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You recognized him and he was in the Ape Custome.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yes I did, Yes, I did. And he was great
And he said, I was having actually a garage sale.
I'm on the show having a garage sale. And he
came to the garage sale and you did other things
that I was enamored with that I found out. But
I couldn't be more enamored with.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Than And I believe we actually made a Roddy McDowell
reference earlier. No matter you you did in the episode, No,
you made a reference just been in this podcast. What
I say to Roddy mcdowll, because you were talking about
Malcolm mc Roddy mcdell.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Amazing, I knew it. That's, by the way, not as
much anymore because you don't meet people like that, But
twenty some odd years ago there were still people from
that era of Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
What I liked about that scene is I like that
there was no explanation. There wasn't let's go to the shoemaker.
Let's you know, you're just as obvious. Yeah, exactly, And
I love that. I love the lack of exposition.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Now comes the part I was going to talk about, okay,
and that is Larry's on the street walking along in
his campers because he puts them. That's why also part
of the scene, not only getting them clean, but putting.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Them on so that when he runs into the.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
The shoe guy Bagley, and I don't think he had
a name shoe guy. And I think a momentous moment
happened that people don't know about I think this was
the first scene ever where Larry laughed at the other
perform No, he's done that, you know. I know. You
watch it again, you can hear the beginnings his lead
into his laugh, and then the next time when he
(26:09):
says shame on you or anyhow, the next time you
hear the first laugh as his cut. And I know
this was the first time that I noticed.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Him laughing as if heed.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
No, it's not a matter of that. When he sees
someone doing something that he created and he knows it's
silly and absurd and hysterical, he finds that so damn funny,
like he can't get enough of that. So he laughed uncontrollably.
And it's not an ego thing. It's just like, never
in my right imagination did I think it would come
(26:43):
to this moment, And so that to me. You don't
see that on screen, but I think if you watch
the shows, a lot of times we cut away from
Larry right when he laughs or is about to laugh.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
His laughter. For me as a performer, his laughter is
joyous and making him laugh is one of the great
joys of my life.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I will say this when you and this is just
something when you and I are in the scene with him,
and he laughs, we don't break.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
No, by the way he did. We'll talk about that
that episode comes up.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yes, and I couldn't. How can I help myself? But anyhow,
I think that moment is the first time. It's more
of a moment for us. But know that Larry David
laughs a lot.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
And this was actually because it's all the beginning things
are being laid out. He has had since then so
many altercations with salespeople. Oh my god, you know so many.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
So these, by the way, a lot of them returning something.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Returning so these things.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Are funnier than anyone who's funny returning something.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Right, And they have the altercation, yes, and and uh.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And by the way, he makes that spinning noise that
a little kid makes before he yeah, I don't know
what that's called, but he it's a kids the Bronx cheer,
the Bronx cheer, and walks off, which also was his
very hysterical.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, it was very very funny.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
And then after that they're home and I love this
piece right here when they're saying they're waiting for the
call from Ted and Mary about going to the concert
and it's not happening, and they're sitting there just like pathetic,
the two of them waiting, and Larry says, please lie
to us, right, they'll call some lie. Yeah, I want
to sit here like schmucks. Yeah. Lie is a gesture,
(28:19):
it's a courtesy, it's a little respect. I love that
so much because that's his brain. You know that at
least if you're lying, you're making any effort.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Well, that's the New Yorkers, you know where you're staying
with it. A lot of people can't stand New Yorkers.
I'm from Chicago and I currently live in LA but
I've lived in New York.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I lived in New York a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, and I have never been down from the attitude
of the New York people. Now, I want to talk
about that same scene and two things for me that
I found fascinating. Number One, this is Larry David, who
created Seinfeld. He's sitting in the living room with his
wife and they're.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Listening on a boombox right right.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That struck me as funny. Secondly, when Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Is listening to Paul's yes Yeah still.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Crazy after all these years, which I know that song
means a lot to Larry means a lot to me too,
and probably you probably everyone listening and this is my
Larry David is my friend. Hilarious moment he is singing
along to the lyrics in a CD sleeve something oh yeah.
And now my feeling is he didn't know at that
(29:22):
point that CD's had sleeves. He really had never used
a CD before. And the idea that he's looking at
the lyrics and singing along crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Because he just discovered it. Yeah, well, the character and
him at the same time.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Really you can do this?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, like I could.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
See that, and that's where he went with that. So
for me, I love the lying thing that it's you know, yeah.
But to me also in watching these, I'm like, that
is unbelievable, and I'm glad I didn't say anything because
I would have said on the set, why is listening
to a boombox? Why can't we just pretend they're speaker?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Well again, I know, very low budget.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, so all right, the lying is a gesture there, waiting, waiting,
and then of course they find out that it was
the wrong night, right, and then it's he's back at Barne.
He's returning the shirt, which he says is not. He's
not returning the shirt. It's a zipper problem.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, I know what she got away with.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
By the way, it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
No, no, so fun I would have done the same
thing or something.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Cheryl is I have a note here, poor Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I mean, Cheryl was just a long suffering Cheryl in
this and this was the beginning of that. And of
course the real Cheryl Hines is not long suffering.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
The real Cheryl huntsway.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, the real show huns would have laughed in his
face at everything he's done.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
She's very different than the character she plays, very much so.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
As a matter of fact, Cheryl Hines is known on
our set as being one of the first people who
will do whatever stupid thing I dare them.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Today, that's correct, she is Who's the person who's known
not to do.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
The stupid You Susie Esmond, who is my dearest friend,
will not go along with any of my nonsense, and
that is to this day.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Occasionally, no, occasionally, Cheryl is a very different character. Well,
we all are very different.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
She ever did we were filming in a hospital and
she got on the you know when you the way
people make doctor Johnson, and she didn't. I dared it to,
and she did it. Doctor cock, one fire, doctor cock,
one fire. There's a call for you. She did it.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
And then by the way, by the way, repeated that
line for many many episodes. Dy So. But but in
this you really see this, what what Cheryl has to
deal with being married to him is just it's a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Do you find that. I talk a lot about technical
things that I notice because the Paul Simon concert when
he's there along with the grandmother, and it's funny that
they're alone, and it was you know the reason why
Cheryl's not there.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
He said, he said, cousins came in from anisota.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
We didn't know that. Yeah, it is. I don't know
what the story is with that, unless you wanted to
be alone with Mary, which would maybe someone was cut
out that I don't remember. But what I noticed from
that is the sound design, the sound design for the singing,
and the way that people are applauding with such a
bizarre concoction.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
And see, I don't notice.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
It takes me right out of it. Yes, it's like
that's a concert in space. I've never heard anything like that.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And so then Larry ends up at the concert with
Mary's mother who ends up falling asleep on his shoulder.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Which I believe and I love. And that's sweet.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
It's a sweet, very sweet, very very sweet and pathetic
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
You know you have but sweet and my life.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
That's the episode.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Well, as per usual, I very much enjoyed spending time.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
With you as I did you, darling, and we'll do
it again because we are a lot more to go.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
We were working Monday together. Yes we are filming.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yes we are. Yeah, yeah, And just so people know,
and we've said it before, we are in the middle
of shooting as we're doing this shooting season twelve. So
for us to go back and see all these beginnings
is I'm loving it. It's so much fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I could vomit every time I watch an episode, mostly
because of me, but for a myriad of reasons why
I do not. First of all, I don't enjoy watching myself.
It's very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Okay, but are you enjoying watching the episode? No, I
am because I seeing them, but.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Anything, I was there when we filmed it. I was
there when we were working on the cuts. I don't
like going back. I just don't. I can't stand it.
For example, I've got this movie Babylon that I'm in
Jamie Giselle directed Margarabbie brad Pitt. I'll never see it.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I don't watch. The only thing I watched that I'm
in is kurb because it tickles me and I enjoy
it so much and the character makes me laft hold on.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I agree with you, even though I've seen cuts of
it before. I'll watch it when it airs. That's the
first time, and I'm creatively involved more than just being
an actor.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
But let me explain to the audience what's so difficult
for us and for all actors and even crew members.
When you're watching, we go back and we watch, you're like, oh,
that's the day that such and such happened, and that's
the day that I got sick from the lunch, and
that's the like, well, we see different things. So now
going back and seeing these things twenty two years later,
(34:09):
it's delightful to me because I'm not thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
By the way, I told you, I can remember everywhere
I was sitting. I don't the times and where Crest
Service was located. Isn't that funny? I know you know
where every Cress service was located on every shoot, and
that most of the time, I remember.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
What I ate, and we'll see you next time.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
We will next time. Wait will at that moment, and
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
You next time.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
We'll see you next time.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Adventures Jeff and Susie.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Curb Your Enthusiasm, starring Susie and Jeff, not Jeff and Susie.
You go before me, Okay, all right, thank you, everybody,
talk to you soon.
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hi, this is Jeff Garland.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm with scus yes man.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, so you just heard our theme song. What do
you think of it, Susie.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I think it's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It is gorgeous. Yeah, let's start the.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Show, okay, episode two, Yes, season one, Ted and Mary,
let me just start by telling this little anecdote. Ted
and Mary knew Larry because they both had houses in
the summer and Martin's vineyard. And when Larry first did
the first hour special pilot, he showed it to Ted
and Mary, and Ted thought it was the worst thing
he'd ever seen.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You've heard him tell this story.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
He thought it was just like he was like, oh
my god, good luck with this, rolling his eyes. And
then here he is in episode two of the season.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And by the way, we'll get to this later, but
in this episode, he's kind of playing something that he's
not normally used to playing. Which is he's the good guy.
He's being magnanimous, you know. Throughout the episode.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
His character has changed, yes, very much so.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
And by the way, he does say heaven in real
life when describing.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Something, well, that's what Larry will frequently take the reality
of somebody go with it. So it starts out in
a bowling alley, which I'd like to know how many
times they actually well bolt together.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I don't know, but I think that Larry probably. But
you know, there's those interesting questions I asked him. We're
talking about photography. He says, I've never used a camera. Why,
As a matter of fact, I've never taken a picture,
and of course I lose my shit. Yeah, and we
go into detail on it, and he tells me he's
never used to cam, never put money with the kid,
never put money in the jukebox.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
So he's a very usual being.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So Monday, I think we need to ask him if
he's ever been bowling, you know, because it's fun. Not
for me. I hate it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Oh, I like it.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I hate bowling. Maybe it's because they call me gutterball Joe.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
They're having a good time.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I'm shocked that he even wore those disgusting bowling shoes.
You remember when you were a kid, you went into
the bowling alley and they'd spray the inside of the show.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But everybody wore them.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
That's disgusting, but you wore them when you were knowing
Larry as I do that he would have ever worn
those shoes. But again, and they're having a great time,
and then he goes to get his real shoes and
they're gone.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
His campers, right, yeah, Jimmy loves By.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
The way, I want to also say with Mary Steen
Virgin and Ted Danson on the show. First off, love
Mary Steen Virgin and everything she's ever been in. My
favorite movie that she did at that point was a
movie called Time after Time with her first McDowell about
to say Roddy.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
McDowell, no no, and then but totally dancing.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That was somebody to me where I was. I remember
once seeing him. He was ahead of me drive on
to the Paramount lot as I'm coming in, and he
had a Lexus LS four hundred, first or second year,
this big Lexus sedan this very early on in Lexus,
and I thought, look at him, Ted dance and he's
(03:23):
got it all. I've told him this and I I
would I would look at him, be around him, like, wow,
I'm talking to you know, you're the voice. I'm talking
to Ted Danson. I'm having a conversation with Ted Danson.
And I would also think I'm doing a scene with
Ted Danson.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I would say, though always because he's a joy. He's
a joy.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
No, they're both so, you know. But Ted's my favorite
actor I've ever worked with. That I can put it
that far. But even to this day, when I'm doing
a scene with him, I can't believe I'm doing this acting.
I'm acting with Ted dancing. I just yeah, it was
very exciting for me, and I don't lose that. I
still have it today, the excitement of Ted dances. So
(04:05):
when by the way, that's that's a great book, the.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Excitement Ted dancing. So when Larry goes to get his
shoes and Ted says to him, and clearly these couples
are just getting to know each other, they're not friends yet.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
You know later later on we know what happens with
Ted and Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
But Ted says, our.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Listeners do they do? Of course, we're not spoiling.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
We're listening to the show, and you're not.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Watched, if not all most of the Curb episodes. Then
we're really mistaken.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
The only thing we don't want to spoil is what
we're shooting now, Russell, I.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Can't imagine someone listening to the show and never having
watched Curb you and they're just sort of jumping on
board and they said to themselves, I have to check
out this show that they.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Call Take All Kinds.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yes, I know, okay, Ted says to him, does this
happen to you a lot? And again this is setting up.
This is Larry. Things happened to Larry in real life,
not Larry Matt Larry Show. Larry. Things have always happened
to Larry that don't happen to anybody else.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, by the way, I guarantee, guarantee this premise did
not happen to him. But somebody lost his shoes. That
was some way, in some way, there's a shoe problem.
And he came up with the premise after the shoe
problem happened.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
And then there's the heaven thing.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, Ted saying heaven is just so him.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
The other thing that struck me was Bye.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Let me just say for our listeners, Ted Danson will
describe things from gum to adore as heaven. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
The other thing that struck me about it was when
he says that Ted asks a lot of questions about
personal hygiene. Now, personal hygiene is an issue with Larry
that you see it throughout all the episodes. We see
it in real life. He is a personal hygiene awareness person.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, by the way, we were discussing, we were filming
a scene and we got into a conversation about using
pool humor. I'll refer to it as that scatological gatological humor.
And he doesn't like it. And if Leman doesn't like it,
and I know I don't like it, I don't like
it no more. The three of us have in common
were men, all right, But anyhow.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I don't like it either. Now to me.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Oh, it's so low, so easy. But anyhow, he likes
things that are pristine, clean, no poop, And I'm talking
about language. He'll say, fuck, I'm not saying that. Which,
by the way, when people do knockoffs of Curb, especially
in the early days, they seem to think what it
is is a TV show you can swear on. That
(06:33):
was a difference early on between us and any of
the show that was like us.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Well, because it's on HBO.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Also, it's not network, right, but they would get shows
on show Time wherever at that point was a cable show.
That was a differentiation. It didn't happen for like three
four years, but they thought, oh, we'll just swear, and
we only swear like when it's necessary, you swear like.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Nobody's However, I've always felt that people think that that's
what they.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Respect in my character, and I don't think that's correct.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
It's your character. I forgot it.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I think what so many people respond to about Susie
Green is her comfort with her anger. Is what women
respond to about her character. Not that she's saying fuck
you and fuck this. It's that she is so completely
owning her anger, which is a very difficult thing for
a lot of women.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And that's what I.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Own their anger.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, oh wow, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Are most women angry?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Is because of men?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
No, I think most people are angry. I thinks that
make us angry all the time. I know, And I
think women are have a built in oppression there that
they're angry about. And I think that Susie Green has
given them permission to express their anger. It's not the language.
And again, the language is secondary. It's the content of
the show that is really the thing that's edgy to me,
not the language. It's the content.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yes, it goes off the contents, but that's just a
funny thing to point out that no one would know
about Larry that he finds that kind of humor.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And also bathroom habits, flossing habits, those are of great
concern to.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Him, great concern, Yeah, great concern.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It's not that he won't use it, but he's not
a person that sprinkles profanities throughout his conversation right in general. No,
by the way, I do way more than him.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And so do I. I've got a mouth that I
see that crap all the time. And no, he does not.
He generally doesn't. And he does in a big way
where I'll tell him a story and he'll go fuck them,
you know what I mean, But it's not part of
of his dialogue.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
So they go bowling and they have a great time,
and then Larry and Cheryl are home discussing the double date,
which I think it's a great, great scene and it
just tells so much about their relationship. And again this
is in the beginning. You know, they're just finding it right,
you know the idea.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Well, by the way, you also have to add because
it's part of the show that Ted and Mary invite
Cheryl and Larry to go.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
See Simon in concert in concert, which Larry hems and
hawes over which I'm surprised in the beginning because I
would think, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Larry David, the real Larry David, which this is based
on up until ten years ago. He didn't go.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He didn't go. But he loves Paul Simon.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I know, I know, I know he does.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
We'll be right back. Stay tuned, Okay, we're back. The
whole idea that you can't be friends with a hetero
other hetero person, I think is a really interesting concept.
You know, Like I have a very close friend who
(09:35):
you know who. I was extremely close friends with him
before he was married, so I'm grandfathered in as a
hetero woman and he's a hetero man. But once you're married,
it's hard to make those relationships with They.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
All pretty much have to be pre existing.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
They have to be grandfathered in.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
You know, because if you're friends with somebody and your
significant other knows that you're friends with them, and they
actually are friends with them, but you try to explain
a new person that you're having caught.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It very difficult, very difficult. You could say to Sari,
I'm having dinner with Susie.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
She's fine, yeah, but if i'm I have But by
the way, I have numerous women friends who Sari is
all good with me. But I remember one time I
mentioned somebody and she wasn't too you know, well, Marla
would do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And I would do the same thing. And the mistake
that Larry makes is he is way too, way too
effusive about how terrific.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
By the way, Clearly, what we're saying is a man
with a crush, which I think is totally cool.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
That's right, totally cool.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I don't there's anything wrong with that. And I don't
think he was planning on having an affair with her.
I think no, I know, but I think he was
just tickled and couldn't get enough of her. And I
know I felt that way about women. You know, I
knew I'm not gonna go for this. I'm married, I
have a girl friend, whatever it is, I am not
but boy, oh boy, I'm I'm pretty taken with this.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You know. I do think that being in a long
term relationship and having crushes and flirting somewhat are healthy.
I think it keeps it's an enlivening thing.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
When I first got married, I didn't know that it
was okay to have dead No, but I know. But
I purposely like had blinders on for a number of
you in terms of I never opened up to that.
And then the first crush that I had, I was like,
oh wow, this is cool. Yeah, I haven't felt this way.
How fun.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
And there's a big difference between having a crush and
acting out on a crush.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, it's not even ever a crush then' it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It's acting it's an affair. But he clearly has a
crush on Mary. Clearly has a crush on Mary to
the point where he becomes a different person. He loves shopping,
he loves cooking, he loves you know, all of this
kind of stuff. He said Barney's again, a long lost
dead Barney's, which we've used more than once.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
And he says it's heaven.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
That's how far he goes in his crush that he
says to Mary, this jacket is heaven.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It's the same.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Jacket that she's worried exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
You know, try that with with Cheryl, you know what I.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Mean, It's like, yeah, and Cheryl, Cheryl is so good.
You see in that scene where the subtlety of Cheryl's
performance is.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I think like everyone on the show except for me,
everybody's gotten better.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
What do you mean except for you?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I was great from the get okay, all right, so anyhow,
but Cheryl has developed so beautifully in her character because
her character is mostly subtle and mostly picks up the minutia.
And that's a hard gig.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But you saw it in that scene. You saw she
was annoyed, but she wasn't really going there.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
She found it curious.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, I found it curious.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
But it's the beginning of really seeing their relationship develop.
These things take time, especially when you're improvising and it's
not written. You have to find it.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You know, the great line when they go to lunches
and he's talking about how he cooks, and she says
Mary'sberg just says that's so sexy. Yes, and then her
mother gets mad at her. But then her mother says,
this is the classic exchange of the episode, which is.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Your wife must be very proud of you.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yes, no, she's not not at all.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You know. I looked her up Anne Haney, who played
Mary's mother, I looked her up this morning, and this
was the last thing she did.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
She died right after that.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Oh, I did not know that she was a delight.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
She died young. She was only six self.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I'm sary that she was in Missus doubtfire.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yes she was. She had a very nice career. But
this was the last thing she did. Was this episode
of kerb was the last professional thing that she did.
Something about that song, No, it's really we were lucky.
The only thing that struck me about when they're shopping
in Barney's was Larry's vanity. He says to Mary's mother,
did you like that the sleeves were kind of puffy
in the slip? But and his vanity all about what
(13:49):
he lost, Like take.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
That as he's trying to ingratiate himself. He was saying that.
But I don't I think that was false vanity. I
don't think you really worried about the sleep. And by
the way, I think he took that stuff home unless
he thought he was seeing Mary, that stuff would all
stay in the closet.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
All the stuff that he bought. Something was attempts to
return it.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
First off, his reaction and I do think it was
a bit extreme to drinking Mary's mother's water was but
that being said that it is true and he would
have spin it out, just not that way because it
was like, Larry, you drink poison. That's what the thing was.
But that's also the nuances of the show, you know.
(14:30):
But I love when he came home. He was going
upstairs with the clothes and she said I'm in here, yeah,
and he has to walk in with all the clothes
and at first he just talks about how he loves shopping.
When shopping, then he slowly adds that Mary was there
with her mother. They had lunch, and it's becoming clear
to Cheryl, like, what the fuck is all that he
(14:51):
had a date?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
He went on a date with Mary, Yeah, basically, and
what if her mother wasn't there? She was so but
you know, by the.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Way he got Ted said heaven. In the episode when
Ted he had the great timing of Mary took the
wrong bag and he gave his bag and they walk
out in front and Ted is giving him subtle shit
like he doesn't have to say anything.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And that is the beauty of how the outlines are
done right. You know, he could have not had that
scene right. It appears to be gratuitous in a sense,
but of course it's not. Well by the way it
wrote so much information. Ted sees that he has the
same shirt jacket that Mary has. It's all the signs
are there.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Well, yeah, it's a beauty. But also in that scene,
and I forgot what he's referring to, Ted says, heaven.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, it was something about yeah, it's the trunk where
the yea.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, it's something about the yard. But I also want
to say that, quite often on the show, and I'm
privy to this, Larry will whisper to me the scene
will never make it into the cut, not going to
use it, not using the scene. So there's a scene
that's being filmed, and I know as I'm watching it, oh,
this is never going to be in the show.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I'll bet you it was less in the beginning than
that's most certainly, Yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
His radar is much stronger now, he might not have
known that, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I mean also, these arcs are much more complicated now. Yes,
early on there was this it was a very simple
you know, there was a couple of.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Things going on a fan of the Simple.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I like the Simple too. But there was the Barneys,
which had the callback with the salesman, there was the
Bowling which had the callback with the shoes, and there
was the Paul Simon.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
By the way, I want to talk about the salesman.
He's played by a gentleman named Tim Bagley, who is
one of the funniest men in town. I've known him
since the eighties, the mid eighties. He was a Groundlings
guy and he was in the show because of my recommendation.
That's the fun part at that point of the show.
(16:42):
Being an executive producer, it's like, oh, he will beat
the shit out of everybody. And back then, by the way,
I could just say this guy's right for it, and
Larry would have me talk about the person and he
would agree.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
There wasn't a whole audition.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
There was. I will explain how that changed. Well, there
was auditioned people. But if I wanted somebody, he trusted me,
and he trusted Larry Charles. This is season two, especially
where especially if Larry Charles and I doubled up on Larry,
we could pretty much get anyone on the show. But
Larry Charles and I took that with a great responsibility.
(17:18):
We only wanted great people. It isn't like getting your friends.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Well, let me ask you this. I just want to
have a little sidebar here, right. So he was drowning
your honor. He was a Groundlings guy. Yes, so I
feel that generally when you have improv actors which Groundlings
is an improv group for people who don't know that,
or stand up comics, Yes, are way better at this
than actors night and day. Now, occasionally you get a
(17:43):
great actor like a John Ham who's brilliant at improvising.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Right, he's wonderful them, but not always.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
There have been times that has spen difficult.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Sometimes that's the usual.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Not Ted. Ted's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Ted is wonderful. But Ted at first was very uncomfortable
with it. He would talk to me about it, now,
what do I do? How is it going on? And
I'll get to more of that later. But Ted wasn't natural.
He just didn't realize he was a natural.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
But in general, you agree with that.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
By the way, whenever we hire straight ahead actors, there's
a large chance they're going to be flat or they're
not going to understand how the work.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Is done because they're used to having scripts.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, there was an actor and I'll say it now
because I don't want to talk about it when we
talk about the episode, very famous actor who was on
KURB and he was very broad. I mean the tone
of his performance was so broad. I couldn't figure it out. Now.
This actor brought with him his family to set, and
(18:40):
his children were telling me how much they love Curb Your.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Enthusiasm, So he was doing it for them.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
But he'd never seen the show and he was acting
in a style that he thought comedy shows were in
the style of and so it was confusing Larry, Larry Charles,
Larry David, and myself. After every take, we're like completely
confused because this is a great actor. And then once
I figured it, I told them and they're like, oh yeah.
(19:08):
So that gave Larry Charles an idea directing episode, an
idea of how to approach it, and he was successful
in it because he was better. Years later, I run
into this actor and I say, I know, if you
remember me Curb you, Yeah, your boss doesn't like other
people being funny because he didn't understand comedy and he
(19:29):
thought because you know, he thought that was comedy, and
by the way. A lot of actors do what they
think is comedy. Like you watch sitcoms that are popular
with people watching it who think that's funny. I should
laugh at that, I should like that, you know, But
they're all actors on that show acting in a way
(19:51):
that they think is funny with usually bad material. So
from all angles, nothing's funny. And in this case, I
think we're doing something funny in this person and just
did not get it.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Well, this is the same person I ran into I
remember on Madison Avenue and I again introduced myself and
I hadn't been there that day, and he said to me,
I don't think your boss likes me. And I said why,
and he said, because he didn't send me a gift
after I did.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
The To a whole other level, this is a gift.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
We have rap gifts after a whole season, but who
sends a gift after an episode. I've never heard of that.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
At that point, it was like, you do the gig,
you go home, and by the way, if there's a
gift sent to you at the end of the season,
it's great. I just got I just did a show
called Never Have I Ever for a Netflix and when
I wrapped. Nobody gave me anything, but about a month
or so later I got a nice gift, a wrap.
It was actually sneakers that I'll never wear and they
(20:50):
said never have I ever on the back. But I've
got him in the By the way, contact me on
my Instagram, you know I checked sometimes and say you
want on them. By the way, here's the thing. Their
size fourteen.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
What size are you fourteen?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Okay, no, I'm not a size eleven and they gave
me fourteen. So there's size fourteen.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Oh I might want those seriously. Yeah, I'll find out.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
All right, I'll give you that.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
We'll be right back. Stay tuned. Okay, we're back. So
let's go back because my next note was the Barney salesman.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, that's that he knows how to do it. Yes,
And also I want to point out and.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
He knows how to build the anger, which is another
thing that people don't understand.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
The kid. But he's not angry yet. Yeah, he's at
this point. He's helping Larry. He's confused. He's doing a
favor for Larry. Usually you have to order them ahead
of time. That will bring up in a minute. Now,
I have something very interesting to point. No, No, it
has to be when in the show it happened. Okay, yeah, okay,
because it's.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I didn't know we had that rule. But that's fine.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
By the way, I have my rules of your room. Yeah,
you want to talk about the ending up top, I
don't care.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So he buys because his shoes had been given to
somebody else in the Bowling Alley. Larry is in Barney's
with Mary and her mother and he buys another pair
of these shoes, but he has to order them.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
They're not in stock. He has to special order them.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
But then he gets a call that the fella who
stole his shoes is at the bowling Alley. Larry rushes
to the bowling Alley. He gets told that's him, and
he goes up and he says to the guy, hey, nice.
He plays it slowly. Nice shoes and this, by the way,
this is played by the guy who stole the shoes
(22:37):
is Joe Liss, another person I shoehorned in. Joe Liss
is one of the greatest improvisers that I've ever worked with,
ever watched. I'd say him Deve Pasquasi and Dan Caslenetta.
In terms of my time at Second City.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Here's what I think about Joe Liss.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Why I think he was so good because he didn't
immediately go into this big argument thing.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, by the way that it's the point that see
that whole exchange is what Joe improvised. And I know
he improvised this because I know when it was written
it was like he didn't say this. So Joe says, really,
your shoes, Well he gave him to me. There he goes, yeah,
but you took my shoes, and he kept saying two words,
that's weird. Yeah, that's weird, and everything that he said
(23:21):
was weird. Larry shot down with logic, No, it's not
weird that he gave you the shoes. It's weird that
you took the shoes. Yeah, but it goes over and
it doesn't build, which is unusual for an altercation. It's
just that's weird Larry saying it, that's weird, and it was.
To me, it was a thing of beauty. That's my
favorite scene in the episode, unequivocally in terms of improvised scenes,
(23:44):
what I want to see and what I hope it
is going to be there. That was classic and beautiful
and I loved it and it made me think, oh,
maybe we can do some damage here if we have
more stuff like that. Yeah, So God blessed Joe Liss
still alive, because normally said God Joe Liss. Did Joe pass? No,
he didn't, not pass.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
But so he gets the shoes back. He takes him
to the shoemaker to have him fumigated. Yes, which of
course you have to do that. And it's very large.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
The way I want to add this, there's another little
and we're coming to what I was going to say earlier.
The shoe fella cobbler guy.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, uh, shoemaker.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
The shoemaker. I said, I recognize you. What have I
seen you in? You've seen familiar? He was in Planet
of the Apes.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Oh really, Yes, he was.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Like the young boy ape guy who helped them leave.
And he's a boy in the movie even an ape
boy champoo.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You recognized him and he was in the Ape Custome.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yes I did, Yes, I did. And he was great
And he said, I was having actually a garage sale.
I'm on the show having a garage sale. And he
came to the garage sale and you did other things
that I was enamored with that I found out. But
I couldn't be more enamored with.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Than And I believe we actually made a Roddy McDowell
reference earlier. No matter you you did in the episode, No,
you made a reference just been in this podcast. What
I say to Roddy mcdowll, because you were talking about
Malcolm mc Roddy mcdell.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Amazing, I knew it. That's, by the way, not as
much anymore because you don't meet people like that, But
twenty some odd years ago there were still people from
that era of Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
What I liked about that scene is I like that
there was no explanation. There wasn't let's go to the shoemaker.
Let's you know, you're just as obvious. Yeah, exactly, And
I love that. I love the lack of exposition.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Now comes the part I was going to talk about, okay,
and that is Larry's on the street walking along in
his campers because he puts them. That's why also part
of the scene, not only getting them clean, but putting.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Them on so that when he runs into the.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
The shoe guy Bagley, and I don't think he had
a name shoe guy. And I think a momentous moment
happened that people don't know about I think this was
the first scene ever where Larry laughed at the other
perform No, he's done that, you know. I know. You
watch it again, you can hear the beginnings his lead
into his laugh, and then the next time when he
(26:09):
says shame on you or anyhow, the next time you
hear the first laugh as his cut. And I know
this was the first time that I noticed.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Him laughing as if heed.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
No, it's not a matter of that. When he sees
someone doing something that he created and he knows it's
silly and absurd and hysterical, he finds that so damn funny,
like he can't get enough of that. So he laughed uncontrollably.
And it's not an ego thing. It's just like, never
in my right imagination did I think it would come
(26:43):
to this moment, And so that to me. You don't
see that on screen, but I think if you watch
the shows, a lot of times we cut away from
Larry right when he laughs or is about to laugh.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
His laughter. For me as a performer, his laughter is
joyous and making him laugh is one of the great
joys of my life.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I will say this when you and this is just
something when you and I are in the scene with him,
and he laughs, we don't break.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
No, by the way he did. We'll talk about that
that episode comes up.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yes, and I couldn't. How can I help myself? But anyhow,
I think that moment is the first time. It's more
of a moment for us. But know that Larry David
laughs a lot.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
And this was actually because it's all the beginning things
are being laid out. He has had since then so
many altercations with salespeople. Oh my god, you know so many.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
So these, by the way, a lot of them returning something.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Returning so these things.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Are funnier than anyone who's funny returning something.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Right, And they have the altercation, yes, and and uh.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And by the way, he makes that spinning noise that
a little kid makes before he yeah, I don't know
what that's called, but he it's a kids the Bronx cheer,
the Bronx cheer, and walks off, which also was his
very hysterical.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, it was very very funny.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
And then after that they're home and I love this
piece right here when they're saying they're waiting for the
call from Ted and Mary about going to the concert
and it's not happening, and they're sitting there just like pathetic,
the two of them waiting, and Larry says, please lie
to us, right, they'll call some lie. Yeah, I want
to sit here like schmucks. Yeah. Lie is a gesture,
(28:19):
it's a courtesy, it's a little respect. I love that
so much because that's his brain. You know that at
least if you're lying, you're making any effort.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Well, that's the New Yorkers, you know where you're staying
with it. A lot of people can't stand New Yorkers.
I'm from Chicago and I currently live in LA but
I've lived in New York.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I lived in New York a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, and I have never been down from the attitude
of the New York people. Now, I want to talk
about that same scene and two things for me that
I found fascinating. Number One, this is Larry David, who
created Seinfeld. He's sitting in the living room with his
wife and they're.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Listening on a boombox right right.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That struck me as funny. Secondly, when Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Is listening to Paul's yes Yeah still.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Crazy after all these years, which I know that song
means a lot to Larry means a lot to me too,
and probably you probably everyone listening and this is my
Larry David is my friend. Hilarious moment he is singing
along to the lyrics in a CD sleeve something oh yeah.
And now my feeling is he didn't know at that
(29:22):
point that CD's had sleeves. He really had never used
a CD before. And the idea that he's looking at
the lyrics and singing along crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Because he just discovered it. Yeah, well, the character and
him at the same time.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Really you can do this?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, like I could.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
See that, and that's where he went with that. So
for me, I love the lying thing that it's you know, yeah.
But to me also in watching these, I'm like, that
is unbelievable, and I'm glad I didn't say anything because
I would have said on the set, why is listening
to a boombox? Why can't we just pretend they're speaker?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Well again, I know, very low budget.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, so all right, the lying is a gesture there, waiting, waiting,
and then of course they find out that it was
the wrong night, right, and then it's he's back at Barne.
He's returning the shirt, which he says is not. He's
not returning the shirt. It's a zipper problem.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, I know what she got away with.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
By the way, it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
No, no, so fun I would have done the same
thing or something.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Cheryl is I have a note here, poor Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I mean, Cheryl was just a long suffering Cheryl in
this and this was the beginning of that. And of
course the real Cheryl Hines is not long suffering.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
The real Cheryl huntsway.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, the real show huns would have laughed in his
face at everything he's done.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
She's very different than the character she plays, very much so.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
As a matter of fact, Cheryl Hines is known on
our set as being one of the first people who
will do whatever stupid thing I dare them.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Today, that's correct, she is Who's the person who's known
not to do.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
The stupid You Susie Esmond, who is my dearest friend,
will not go along with any of my nonsense, and
that is to this day.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Occasionally, no, occasionally, Cheryl is a very different character. Well,
we all are very different.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
She ever did we were filming in a hospital and
she got on the you know when you the way
people make doctor Johnson, and she didn't. I dared it to,
and she did it. Doctor cock, one fire, doctor cock,
one fire. There's a call for you. She did it.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
And then by the way, by the way, repeated that
line for many many episodes. Dy So. But but in
this you really see this, what what Cheryl has to
deal with being married to him is just it's a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Do you find that. I talk a lot about technical
things that I notice because the Paul Simon concert when
he's there along with the grandmother, and it's funny that
they're alone, and it was you know the reason why
Cheryl's not there.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
He said, he said, cousins came in from anisota.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
We didn't know that. Yeah, it is. I don't know
what the story is with that, unless you wanted to
be alone with Mary, which would maybe someone was cut
out that I don't remember. But what I noticed from
that is the sound design, the sound design for the singing,
and the way that people are applauding with such a
bizarre concoction.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
And see, I don't notice.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
It takes me right out of it. Yes, it's like
that's a concert in space. I've never heard anything like that.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And so then Larry ends up at the concert with
Mary's mother who ends up falling asleep on his shoulder.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Which I believe and I love. And that's sweet.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
It's a sweet, very sweet, very very sweet and pathetic
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
You know you have but sweet and my life.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
That's the episode.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Well, as per usual, I very much enjoyed spending time.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
With you as I did you, darling, and we'll do
it again because we are a lot more to go.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
We were working Monday together. Yes we are filming.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yes we are. Yeah, yeah, And just so people know,
and we've said it before, we are in the middle
of shooting as we're doing this shooting season twelve. So
for us to go back and see all these beginnings
is I'm loving it. It's so much fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I could vomit every time I watch an episode, mostly
because of me, but for a myriad of reasons why
I do not. First of all, I don't enjoy watching myself.
It's very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Okay, but are you enjoying watching the episode? No, I
am because I seeing them, but.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Anything, I was there when we filmed it. I was
there when we were working on the cuts. I don't
like going back. I just don't. I can't stand it.
For example, I've got this movie Babylon that I'm in
Jamie Giselle directed Margarabbie brad Pitt. I'll never see it.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I don't watch. The only thing I watched that I'm
in is kurb because it tickles me and I enjoy
it so much and the character makes me laft hold on.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I agree with you, even though I've seen cuts of
it before. I'll watch it when it airs. That's the
first time, and I'm creatively involved more than just being
an actor.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
But let me explain to the audience what's so difficult
for us and for all actors and even crew members.
When you're watching, we go back and we watch, you're like, oh,
that's the day that such and such happened, and that's
the day that I got sick from the lunch, and
that's the like, well, we see different things. So now
going back and seeing these things twenty two years later,
(34:09):
it's delightful to me because I'm not thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
By the way, I told you, I can remember everywhere
I was sitting. I don't the times and where Crest
Service was located. Isn't that funny? I know you know
where every Cress service was located on every shoot, and
that most of the time, I remember.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
What I ate, and we'll see you next time.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
We will next time. Wait will at that moment, and
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
You next time.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
We'll see you next time.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Adventures Jeff and Susie.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Curb Your Enthusiasm, starring Susie and Jeff, not Jeff and Susie.
You go before me, Okay, all right, thank you, everybody,
talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
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