February 22, 2024 • 32 mins
Jeff and Susie discuss *The Bracelet* from season 1.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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episode description. Okay, I'm Susi Esman.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You are Jeff Garland.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
We are on episode four of season one, the Bracelet.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I just want to say something, and I don't know
how we can work this out, but I know true
crime shows are very popular, so I think it'd be
really good if we tied in, even though it's fictionalized
some episode of murder, some episode of chasing someone, maybe
a serial killer, through each episode of our show, because
people love that. I know I do.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well, you know I like fake crime as opposed to
true crime.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I like them both. We do watch the same shows
on BBC one with that we do.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
We love our morses and our endeavors.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
And yeah, all right, start out the episode, and Larry
is watching. Larry is a long suffering Jets fan, as
most all Jets fans are, but.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
As we're back to budget and what have you. Yes,
he's watching the Jets in his performance. But on TV,
I think it's like Vikings Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Is that what it is? I couldn't even.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Watches a second time. I'm pretty sure it's Vikings Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So it's But he says it's the Giants.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
No, he doesn't say Giants. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
No, Yes, he does. He's mention because I'm a Giants fan.
So I noticed it. He mentions, and he's screaming at
the TV, you know, very very involved in the game.
And Cheryl comes home with luggage. She's clearly been out
of town and hasn't seen him for a number of days.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And what happens, He's not the thing, and she gets
leaves angry. That's right.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
So I have two thoughts here. Number one, his beard
is clearly fait and it does look like he's been
in a chimney.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, I don't know. He's very disheveled looking.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
He's very disheveled. But also the number of times that
my wife of your or my girlfriend have come in
forget football, where it happens, baseball last inning. They also
come in on it's the last ten minutes of the wire.
I've had that one happen at the end of the
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Sopranos ship, I had to switch to another.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So I have timing. You're talking about timing, Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But I have never walked in on any of the
women in my life and said I wanted to talk
about something and they're at the end of something. I
don't know what it is that's sniffed out or has
how this happens, but it happens. So I loved watching that,
and I felt for him because there's two minutes left.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
And well, I think my husband's very lucky that I'm
a big sports fan because I know better.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Can I just say a blanket statement?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Your husband's very lucky as am I.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
He's a champ. I did. Yes, I was at your
wedding for criminal.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I know so hat that.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Your mother got angry at me for wearing a hat.
It was a dandy hat.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It wasn't even a pi hat pork pi hat.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Why did she get angry at you for the pork
pie hat?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
She felt it was disrespectful at your wedding to wear
She had so many issues. No, but she really, but
she yelled at me.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Did she really?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Oh? She did? And then we made out.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Jeff, that's gone too far to me.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Not make out, but she kissed me gently on the
forehead and said, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
No, I doubt she ever did that.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
She did not do that.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
No, she did not.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I know my mother no longer with us, So you know, again,
this is the marriage.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You know, this is the thing.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And then she gives him the silent treatment later in
the bedroom and you know, you just see that he's
but the beard, by the way, is another example of
this first season how low budget and slap dash things were.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Rapdash is the key word there. A lot of it
was put together with bubblegum and paste. You know, It's
just we had to do what we had to do.
And I also, as I mentioned before, wear suits that
I'm not crazy about.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But there was something kind of fun.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
It was almost like, you know, I got a barn
let's put on a show kind of a feeling, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Generally, most bands, except for maybe the Beatles and a
few others, your first album is your best album, and
then if that's successful, it's a slow degrade downwards because
you start believing the hype. We worked from in the vacuum.
We had no money, we had no idea how people
were going to receive this, and so there was an
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energy there and they willing to do stuff I'm talking
about behind the scenes, you know, put up with stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And a silliness and a fun It was just a silly.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Idea where we go more than these ten episodes, not
a clue. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
The other thing that struck me in the he's trying
to make come with Cheryl. He's talking about soy milk
and that it's bad for you. And again another theme
of Larry's is his health paranoia that gets laid out here.
And you know what has struck me When I'm looking
like the last episode, I was saying, he wouldn't have
worn that. You know, he's wearing something he wouldn't have worn.
In this episode, their comforter seemed so out of character. Okay,
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they had this big floral comforter.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I'm glad you brought that up because I wanted to
talk about that. I wrote down the note. How ridiculous
is their bedroom? The bedroom looks like they just got
out of college and this is their first place together exactly.
It makes no sense and you have the comfort everything
about this show aesthetically very confusing.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Very confusing.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It changes Yeah, for me, it's so interesting to see,
you know, how it's changed. And again what we were
just talking about, the slap dashness of it, everything from
the set design to the camera worked everything.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, not much time, not much money.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And he tries to explain to her by saying, this
is like you watching the Oscars and it's the last
minute and it's the best actress.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's a good analogy too.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
And then Larry goes to his office and gets a
note that Bill Scheft called once again an old comedy friend.
My dear friend, Bill Scheft is just thrown The name
is just thrown in just for delightful.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
This is the second time Bill Chef's called the show. Yeah. OK.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And Larry is dressed in like ripped, dirty, disgusting sweats
and he's unshaven and he looks like a homeless guylained
why he's dressed like that, He just says, I'm going
to the gym, and his assistance is like this, you
look disgusting, and he never We don't really know he
hasn't shaved because Cheryl's been out of town. Why he
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hasn't been shaved by the next day when she's back home.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I don't know he's never really.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Dressed like a peg. He's going to the gym.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Because it serves the story.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, but I hate when the logic goes out the window.
I wasn't here for a lot of this episode. I'm
not in it, but I wasn't here as a producer
because my son, Duke was born during this episode.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Oh is that true of the day.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
They filmed the fight in front of the jewelry store.
Duke was born that day.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yes, it's my younger son.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
We're happy you weren't there because we're happy Duke was born. Yes,
delightful young man he is. But I don't think it's
ever explained beyond that. And his assistant I forgot her name.
I love her. She's terrific.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Spoiler and that's spoiler.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, she's try I might.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Be mispronouncing it. I'll double check.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And she tells him he has to get a gift,
which she does to shower to make up. This is
nothing like a gift jewelry.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yes, that always is a winner.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I'm always shocked that men don't understand the power of
the flower.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's the simplest thing you know here in New York.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
On every corner there's a Delhi or whatever where you
could just buy a bunch of flowers, and it means everything,
and it solves everything, and they're stupid not to take advantage.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
By the way, I've done the flower thing many times,
but I'm horrible at buying Marla, my wife of your
either for Christmas, Hanuka, whatever, or her birthday. I know
that I gave her these two gifts, which she wanted,
but I gave her a drill. Now he's like, what
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the fuck a drill?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Drill is a great thing to have, but not as
a man gift.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And then the other time a barbecue. But by the way, well,
and I totally screwed up.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, that's bad.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, and again, barbecue is a wonderful thing to have.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
No, I know my heart was in the right place,
but I admit to being an idiot.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
So there's a bracelet Cheryl loves in this jewelry store.
He goes to this jewelry store and he looks like
a homeless guy and he gets into an argument with
a real homeless guy looking similar to him in front,
and they don't let him in, so he needs to
call a friend to go into the store to buy
the bracelet for him, and he calls his very very
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dear friend, Richard Lewis. Yes, who shows up in a
Jimmy Hendrix tie.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
By the way, I noticed that too at a hipster
No I know, but I saw it, and I'm like,
what kind of goofy ties man? And I look closer,
it's a Jimmy Hendrix.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
That's Jimmy Hendricks.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I remember we go on on tour and he always
had to go last, which you and I were fine with,
and he came on always to purple head Hendricks Yeah,
purple heads.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, but you have to understand that rich is a throwback.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, well, a lot of his jokes that even tells
on the show our throwback. For example, he looked at
Larry and said, which is midnight Cowboy reference? But you know,
I loved it. But only people are midnight Cowboy fans
would understand that. And I don't know how many there are,
but I would guess per TV show, we have the
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highest percentage of midnight cowboy fans of any comedy.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Be right back, stay tuned, and we're back just for
a little aside here, and we'll have Richard on more
than once. At some point and he could tell the
story as well, but just to give the audience some background.
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Richard and Larry they were born in the same hospital,
like a few weeks apart. They're born the same year.
They didn't know each other then, and they went to
the same camp, the same sleep boy camp, and they
hated one another the Sleepwoy camp where they were twelve
thirteen something like that. Cut to years later, they're both
at the Improv on West forty fourth Street, right around
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the corner where I am right now, and they look
at each other.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
They're like, cool, you look familiar. I don't know who you.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
They're both doing stand up and they realized that they
were the same guys that they hated each other years
ago in sleep boy camp, and then they became fast
friends for the rest of their lives and they are
very very close friends and have been for many, many years.
So that's the background on them, yes, But so Lewis
shows up wearing his Hendrix tie and he's standing in
front of the store to show him, but the store
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closes for lunch and Lewis wants to walk to lunch
and Larry doesn't want to. Nobody walks in la Lewis
wants to walk. I felt like that was like, you know, who.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Wanted to go was quite the distance?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Quite the distance? Yeah, I walk in LA, but that's
because I'm a New Yorker.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, but there's certain neighborhoods where everybody walks. But you
got to be in that neighborhood because everybody will drive
to that neighborhood. You know, I remember walking from Soho
to the Upper West Side talking about it.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I've done that many times.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, but I'm just saying that's normal. If you tell
the New Yorker you did that, they go, oh, look
at you. Nothing more than that. If you expect them
to go, you did that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but in LA it's it's odd.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
By the way in LA people walk when they go
on hikes, and I find that very unappealing. I liked
knowing in New York that I'm walking.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Is exactly there's a destination.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
By the way. My wife of your and I can't
think of something better than ex wife. I'm trying because
I hate ex wife, and I will change it as
the podcast goes.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
You can't say my old wife, but what she used
to do, she used.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
To want to go for a walk. In the middle
of the walk, she would get to something where she
was upset about and something I couldn't function with. I'm stuck.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You're stuck. You're trapped. There's no uber. Yeah, you're trapped.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, because you have to wait like the uber. You
have to wait for the uber. So you're stuck. And
then taxi cabs don't run up and down suburban la or.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
La, which is you can't hail a cab.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
You cannot hail a cab.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
No, it's not New York.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
No.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So I was asked this question by Becca I believe,
our supervising producer, who said, is that really the relationship
between Louis and Larry, this contention and this fighting, because
if always fighting, is that real?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And I would say the first scene that you see
in episode one of them arguing in the office one
hundred percent real. Them wrestling in front of.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
A place, well that no, that's extreme.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah no, but I'm saying yes, they they do yell
at each other and it's funny. And what's great about
it too, is there's no hurt feelings when they do this.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
So they go to lunch and Larry goes off on
this whole riff about how women are so offended by
men's genitalia that they have to be in love with
them to sleep with them and to have sex with them.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
They have to really love the man to get involved
with that grotesque phoenix. I totally disagree with that.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I totally agree, well, I dine. I used to agree
because I always thought that they were doing us a
favor by going down and blowing us. And I don't
like going down blowing, Okay, So I always thought that
they were doing it to be kind or they were
really in love with someone, just like he says. Yeah,
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but I over the years, many women I know they
told me how much they loved doing it.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
To me, that is a completely adolescent sense of women's sexuality.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, but you're talking about men, Yes, exactly like lessons.
I mean, come on.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
And then there's the whole run about the captain's tip,
which also Anna and Becka didn't even know what that was.
That's a very old fashioned thing because most restaurants don't
do that anymore, but it used to be de Ragora.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I think, were you tip the matre?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
D you tip the captain at fine like steakhouses, like
fine restaurants. By the way, that's the thing from maybe
the latest they did that on a regular basis was
the sixties, you know, for a nicer restaurant.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
But it's like if you went to El Morocco or
twenty one, those great place.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
It's old and historic. And yeah, by the way, I've
had a few dinners with a captain and I was
completely confused. What do you tip the captain?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And who is the captain?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
The actor?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
No, I'm just saying, who the captain? You know, it's
like me weird. It's not like it's not a ship.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
It's not the captain like waiter self explanatory.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
But the captain d D is understanding.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
That episode, I don't know what a captain is to me.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
That was a very old person reference.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
No, I thought it was great because he showed that
it wasn't an old person reference even though it's an
old reference. By being confused.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
By it, I'm not criticizing the reference. I'm just saying
that it was a lot of people don't even know
that that exists anymore, and it did.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
It was a thing.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
And by the way, I guarantee there are a few
places still that have a captain.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Maybe maybe I think actually the Carlisle does.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
By the way, you'd expect the captain there. Yeah, they're
not going to go captain list.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So after they finish all that, and they go back
to the jewelry store and there is Michael the Blind Guy.
I forgot that Michael the Blind Guy was in this
episode called the Blind Guy becomes a major character in
the ben still a season what was that, season three
or four, I don't remember, but he becomes a major
character and a major.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Storyline of the season. In a later season yep.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And by the way, the most wonderful guy. And he's
so and if I remember correctly, he wasn't blind.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
No, he's not blind.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
But by the way, I have no problem with that. Nowadays,
you would either cast a blind person or give a
blind person every opportunity to get the role. And you
know a lot of times you want to do that,
and they're not the best person. That being said, and
this is my big belief that you don't automatically cast
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somebody because of something like that. But they should damn
well get all the opportunities they can. You make the
effort more than an effort. It's like a must to
be inclusive. But I am not of the one where
you have to hire the blind person. There you go,
because actors can play lots of things. And by the way,
I threw that out there because I know that half
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of you are going to agree and half of you
are going to think I'm a moron. Well you're both right.
Those of you who agree with me great, and those
of you who think I'm a moron, I am a moron.
So both sides win. When it comes to me saying something, I.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Could attest to that, yes, And I love how Lewis says,
how could.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You say blind man in front of a blind man?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
By the way, in my opinion, that's the funniest moment
of the show. It's Larius. He says blind man in
front of a blind man? And then what does Richard say?
What's the term? He says? Later someone who can't see?
He says something in Larry's which is the essentially of
saying blind man.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It was almost but I know what you're talking about.
And then Richard brings up a whole thing about recovering alcoholic.
I think Lewis's recovering alcoholic line should be a drinking game,
because in every episode practically he slips in that recovery.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I thought I would be a drinking game. Yeah, I
love that. My relations although I don't know I met
him in stand up. I don't know what his story
was then. But on curb the fact that I pretty
much only worked with the sober Richard Lewis and we
even go to.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Aam Me too, I did not really. I mean I
knew him a little bit. You know, he's legendary, he's
older than us, and he was already so you know,
he was amazing when we came up as congra.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
And I'll tell you the date, nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, so I've only known him well sober as well.
I didn't know him in his crazy days.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I did, but were friends. I know, we weren't friends.
Then we become close friends since the show.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Then Michael the blind guy gilts them into going to
his apartment to move his furniture, which I think that
premise is hilarious.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Right, and by the way, that scene is hilarious, hilarious
and again like the scene in the last episode of
getting Directions with that Lady, difficult scene. It's very difficult
to pull off these guys moving and moving and moving
his furniture until they can escape. It feels real. I'll
tell you what didn't feel real is Richard's hair when
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he was done.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Because he was so sweaty and exhausted.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And you could have pulled that off with him being sweaty,
but he had the sweat of somebody who just it
just was too extreme. I don't know if he's ever
been sweaty like that.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, that whole scene I think is so funny. And
Larry referring to as a deceptive blind man.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Didn't mislead us, He didn't tell us the truth about
what we had to move.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
He was a deceptive blind man, which he was.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
He was very deceptive and very manipulative.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
And that's also one of those scenes where you actually
feel bad for Richard and Larry. They don't come up
very often, don't come feel so bad. That was. But
I have to say, Larry did not know that he
was going to bring back the blind Man. You know
he does that, He doesn't right now.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
He didn't know at that time.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, no, no, but you know, those things kind of
trigger him. I mean, it's the things that inspire him
that he'll be writing the next season and then he'll
remember Michael the blind Man from season one or whatever,
and he's like, he reuses it, and you know, I mean,
I think a lot of characters and a lot of
actors inspire him. We have a scene like that this
season that I'm not going to mention what it is
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of somebody from a previous season who inspired him to
come back.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, it's pretty brilliant. Actually, yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And then Richard says to him, is it true or
not that I have more? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
By the way, that's straight out of real life.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
That is so straight out of real life that he
would say that to Larry. And what would Larry's reaction be?
He'd burst out laughing.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
First of yeah, I know, we'll be right back, stay tuned, Okay,
we're back. Who's real and who's not? Richard Lewis is
Richard Lewis, I'm Sussie.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
This is a horrible thing to say. The only one of.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Us who's I know what you're gonna say.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
But people don't understand Richard Lewis is more Richard Lewis
off camera. Like on camera he's a little pulled back,
but off camera he's I'll say ten times what he
is on the show.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
But like episode two, it was Ted and Mary it
was Ted Dance. So and Cheryl's name is Cheryl, but
she's Cheryl Hines, not Cheryl David, and so there is
a confusion. I would just want people to understand that,
really we're all characters, even if Ted Danson is playing
Ted Danson and you know whoever, Larry David is playing
Larry David.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
And by the way, I think it's quite the challenge
to play yourself, it really is that.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
But I don't think any of them are playing themselves.
They're all playing a Carora Well version.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Of themselves that Larry creates. And we have more stories
about Ted Danson in that arena, if you will.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
A lot coming up.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
So, so none of us are who we We're all acting.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
You especially are so far from that characters. The thing
that's sim between you and the SUSI and thing. You
won't do any silly stuff that I asked for.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, I don't suffer fools gladly, as you know.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
But you really Larry plays along with me. Cheryl's my
number one play alonger, which people don't know, and you
will not do any like I've had Larry go up
to extras and explain to all of them. How he
collects lotions from around the world, which I found hilarious.
You would never do that, you know that, Cheryl. We
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were filming in a hospital and there was a lot
of doctor cock on fire. Yes, all right, well, but
it is true. So that's you're completely not that And
I am so not like the character at.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
All, And neither is Larry in so many ways.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
By the way, no, no, forget so many ways. He's
not like his character at all. But hold on, JB.
Nothing like nothing like Leon. You know what he'd love though.
He loves staying in character. After they yell cut and
I walk up to him and go, am I dealing
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with JB? Or am I dealing with Leon right now?
And he keeps going and then he bursts out laughing
because he loves to continue it for whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
But the confusion I think is less for us because
you're playing Jeff Green and now plays his Green. Then
for the people Ted Danson, Richard Lewis, a million others
that John Ham, whoever it is that are have their
real name and their real profession, let's say, but they're
still acting.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
It's still not their character.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Shure Lewis is even acting, but like I said, he's
the only one that is.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
His character similar to his character, very similar, right, But
even so it's not him.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
No, No, he's acting, you know, right. He buys into
whatever story Larry right, right, And I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
And I wanted a Claire for that because people that
we're working with here ask that question they were confused.
So it doesn't confuse us because we're in it, we know,
but it's nice to get another perspective, all right.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So Lewis has more serenity than Larry.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
And then Larry's again watching the football game and again
screaming and yelling at the TV, which I'm sure he
really does, and he figures out that he lost his
credit card and he's got to go back to the
restaurant to get it. But in the interim he got
Cheryl Roses and they're all made up and that worked,
so he doesn't feel as though he needs to get
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the bracelet any longer.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
What was the scene where Larry answers the phone and
he hands it to the guy in the street and says,
if it's a man, give me the phone. If it's
a woman, he's calling, He's I know he's calling Richard Lewis.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Initially, but yeah, that was much earlier. And Bob Whitey,
who directed the episode, is playing the man.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Even though I made fun of him all the time
for that performance, he was really good.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
He was very good.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Confusion, I thought he was great.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
So there he was very good.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Let's go back in the future.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
So he's got Cheryl the roses, he doesn't need to
go spend money on a bracelet.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
She accepted the roses. They were all made up.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Lewis then says, can I buy that bracelet for my girlfriend?
And Larry's like sure. But of course right after that,
Cheryl comes in and says.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I think I really do want that bracelet.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
And he says, but we already made up. So I
told Louis that his girlfriend could have the bracelet, and
of course Cheryl's not happy about that at all. So
Larry cleans himself up. He's in a tie in a
button down shirt, he shaves, and he goes to the
restaurant to pick up the credit card. And who's playing
the hostess but Laura fair Child at the time. Now Striker,
(25:39):
who was then Larry's assistant is now one of our
executive producers and is a great producer and writer.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
And she looks absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
She still looks bad, she still looks so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
She's a beautiful person inside and out.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
She really is though.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
And also her acting was terrific.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah, she did great. By the way to the show
is just be a person. Don't put a spin on it.
Be a person. You know.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I've never been in the casting process with you guys,
but I would imagine you must see people come in
who put on such a show.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Okay, so there's two things. Now, we do it everybody
home tapes.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
We don't do it pandemic.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yes, they just give their real you know. Most of
the time. The weird, weird, weird thing about the audition
process is people come into audition, but they're acting with
the people they'd be doing it Larry, myself, Cheryl, Larry
and I Cheryl and Larry, you know, and so it
throws them. I go out and prepare them for that.
(26:44):
I introduce myself. This is why I love doing it
in person. So that being said, if you come in
and put a spin on anything, try and make it funny,
you're not going to be hired. Bill.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Let me also say about that, for many many seasons,
Larry would never allow the guest stars to see the outlines.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Because he means, no, I don't pay attention.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yes he does now. But starting last season I think
was the first season he ever.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
When you think about it was a season twelve or
what was it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, season thirty, the season eleven, I think, And the
reason for that.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Years people were just coming in cold.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Right, And the reason for that was he didn't want
them preparing lines and stuff ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
See, I think if you give people the sides and
they know the show's improvise, they will come up with jokes,
whereas if they're standing there and they know nothing except
what Jeff Shaefer explains is going to happen. Which, by
the way, I don't read the outlines. I read the
outlines when they're first written. So before we start the season,
I've read every episode and then I basically blank out.
(27:52):
And when I get to set, I say to Jeff Schaeffer,
all right, what happens in this scene? Because I know
I'm not preparing anything.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
But but you know what, Jeff, I like to know
because I like to gauge my performance. If somebody's yelling
and screaming at him, in the scene before. I like
to know what that.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
You never got the sides before?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
No, I always got them.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, so what are you talking.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I'm just saying, I like to know what's the through
line of the episode, so that I could know. Okay,
somebody screaming and yelling at him the scene before, then
maybe I'm.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Going to be a little lower, Okay, but you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
The people aren't getting the full outline. They're just getting
their scene outline. If I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
They don't even get that.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Usually now they do, but in the past they would
just show up on set and they would be told
what the scene is about. They did not see anything
written for years.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
By the way, but in my eyes, an improvised show
or an improvise movie, you don't let anybody read the outline.
You tell them on the need to know basis. But
now they're so dense the outlines that I think people
have complicated.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, for many, many seasons, the only people that the
outlines were you and me and Larry. Obviously, Cheryl was
allowed to read the outlines, but she didn't want to,
and Richard for a long time was dying to read
the outlines and Larry wouldn't let them.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Because even without the outlines, he were on a million jokes.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, that's his thing. So then Larry goes to buy Cheryl.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
For those of you here water in the background, they
should know we're not being we're pouring ourselves.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Water, not being.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Larry dresses up like a mench and he goes and
he's going to get there really really early to get
the bracelet a shark because he's got to beat Lewis.
There's many many things throughout the seasons where he's beating
Lewis at something, you know, getting to a restaurant early, whatever.
But first he has to stop at the restaurant where
he did not tip the captain in order to get
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his credit card that he left there. And of course
the captain is there and Laura is playing.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
The mat the captain parked about.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
To say that, okay, yeah, the captain blocks Larry's car,
parks and in front of him and blocks Larry's car in,
and the captain then refuses to move his car because
Larry didn't tip him. It's the most petty, mean gesture
I think of the captain.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Oh can I tell you something you don't want to
fuck with a captain.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Just don't who knew the power of the captain, They
don't have senses of him. And Larry then has to
literally run to the jewelry shore, which of course makes
no sense in la because they wouldn't be even near
each other, but whatever, and Lewis is going to the
jewelry shore to get the bracelet, and the two of
them end up having a knockdown fight in the vestibule.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
That they do, which is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Which is hilarious, And that's the end of the episode.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, well that feels good. That felt good. Did you
enjoy yourself?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yes, I did, and very very much so.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Well, that's and I feel like this was an episode
that established the which is a theme for twelve seasons
as well, the Larry Lewis dynamic. I mean, last the
be there at sundown, you know in episodis one had
that thing, but this you get the more sense of
their friendship in this one, and they go on to
lunch and you know all of that.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
And that is the complexity of a friendship when it's
real is that there's so many ups and downs, so
many arguments. I say that because right now, an old
friend of mine and we're not doing too well, and
you think we should make up. I know I will.
I've already forgiven.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Now I'm just gonna is this who I think it is?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Well? Who else is there? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
You've told me about two or three.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I told you one that's not a friend, okay, but
you know who it is. I want our listeners to guess.
Please write us.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I don't know do they get a prize?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Too much information? But listen. Thank you so very much
for listening to us. It is an honor that you're
taking time out of your day to listen. I know
a lot of you are listening in the car and
it makes your journey better. There you go. How exciting
is that for us?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And don't forget to tip your captain?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah, you ever come in contact with the captain?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Did the right thing because they have power? Baby?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
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episode description. Okay, I'm Susi Esman.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You are Jeff Garland.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
We are on episode four of season one, the Bracelet.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I just want to say something, and I don't know
how we can work this out, but I know true
crime shows are very popular, so I think it'd be
really good if we tied in, even though it's fictionalized
some episode of murder, some episode of chasing someone, maybe
a serial killer, through each episode of our show, because
people love that. I know I do.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well, you know I like fake crime as opposed to
true crime.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I like them both. We do watch the same shows
on BBC one with that we do.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
We love our morses and our endeavors.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
And yeah, all right, start out the episode, and Larry
is watching. Larry is a long suffering Jets fan, as
most all Jets fans are, but.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
As we're back to budget and what have you. Yes,
he's watching the Jets in his performance. But on TV,
I think it's like Vikings Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Is that what it is? I couldn't even.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Watches a second time. I'm pretty sure it's Vikings Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So it's But he says it's the Giants.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
No, he doesn't say Giants. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
No, Yes, he does. He's mention because I'm a Giants fan.
So I noticed it. He mentions, and he's screaming at
the TV, you know, very very involved in the game.
And Cheryl comes home with luggage. She's clearly been out
of town and hasn't seen him for a number of days.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And what happens, He's not the thing, and she gets
leaves angry. That's right.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
So I have two thoughts here. Number one, his beard
is clearly fait and it does look like he's been
in a chimney.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, I don't know. He's very disheveled looking.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
He's very disheveled. But also the number of times that
my wife of your or my girlfriend have come in
forget football, where it happens, baseball last inning. They also
come in on it's the last ten minutes of the wire.
I've had that one happen at the end of the
(02:26):
Sopranos ship, I had to switch to another.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So I have timing. You're talking about timing, Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But I have never walked in on any of the
women in my life and said I wanted to talk
about something and they're at the end of something. I
don't know what it is that's sniffed out or has
how this happens, but it happens. So I loved watching that,
and I felt for him because there's two minutes left.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
And well, I think my husband's very lucky that I'm
a big sports fan because I know better.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Can I just say a blanket statement?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Your husband's very lucky as am I.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
He's a champ. I did. Yes, I was at your
wedding for criminal.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I know so hat that.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Your mother got angry at me for wearing a hat.
It was a dandy hat.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It wasn't even a pi hat pork pi hat.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Why did she get angry at you for the pork
pie hat?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
She felt it was disrespectful at your wedding to wear
She had so many issues. No, but she really, but
she yelled at me.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Did she really?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Oh? She did? And then we made out.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Jeff, that's gone too far to me.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Not make out, but she kissed me gently on the
forehead and said, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
No, I doubt she ever did that.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
She did not do that.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
No, she did not.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I know my mother no longer with us, So you know, again,
this is the marriage.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You know, this is the thing.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And then she gives him the silent treatment later in
the bedroom and you know, you just see that he's
but the beard, by the way, is another example of
this first season how low budget and slap dash things were.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Rapdash is the key word there. A lot of it
was put together with bubblegum and paste. You know, It's
just we had to do what we had to do.
And I also, as I mentioned before, wear suits that
I'm not crazy about.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But there was something kind of fun.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
It was almost like, you know, I got a barn
let's put on a show kind of a feeling, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Generally, most bands, except for maybe the Beatles and a
few others, your first album is your best album, and
then if that's successful, it's a slow degrade downwards because
you start believing the hype. We worked from in the vacuum.
We had no money, we had no idea how people
were going to receive this, and so there was an
(04:41):
energy there and they willing to do stuff I'm talking
about behind the scenes, you know, put up with stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And a silliness and a fun It was just a silly.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Idea where we go more than these ten episodes, not
a clue. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
The other thing that struck me in the he's trying
to make come with Cheryl. He's talking about soy milk
and that it's bad for you. And again another theme
of Larry's is his health paranoia that gets laid out here.
And you know what has struck me When I'm looking
like the last episode, I was saying, he wouldn't have
worn that. You know, he's wearing something he wouldn't have worn.
In this episode, their comforter seemed so out of character. Okay,
(05:20):
they had this big floral comforter.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I'm glad you brought that up because I wanted to
talk about that. I wrote down the note. How ridiculous
is their bedroom? The bedroom looks like they just got
out of college and this is their first place together exactly.
It makes no sense and you have the comfort everything
about this show aesthetically very confusing.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Very confusing.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It changes Yeah, for me, it's so interesting to see,
you know, how it's changed. And again what we were
just talking about, the slap dashness of it, everything from
the set design to the camera worked everything.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, not much time, not much money.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And he tries to explain to her by saying, this
is like you watching the Oscars and it's the last
minute and it's the best actress.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's a good analogy too.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
And then Larry goes to his office and gets a
note that Bill Scheft called once again an old comedy friend.
My dear friend, Bill Scheft is just thrown The name
is just thrown in just for delightful.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
This is the second time Bill Chef's called the show. Yeah. OK.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And Larry is dressed in like ripped, dirty, disgusting sweats
and he's unshaven and he looks like a homeless guylained
why he's dressed like that, He just says, I'm going
to the gym, and his assistance is like this, you
look disgusting, and he never We don't really know he
hasn't shaved because Cheryl's been out of town. Why he
(06:47):
hasn't been shaved by the next day when she's back home.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I don't know he's never really.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Dressed like a peg. He's going to the gym.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Because it serves the story.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, but I hate when the logic goes out the window.
I wasn't here for a lot of this episode. I'm
not in it, but I wasn't here as a producer
because my son, Duke was born during this episode.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Oh is that true of the day.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
They filmed the fight in front of the jewelry store.
Duke was born that day.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yes, it's my younger son.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
We're happy you weren't there because we're happy Duke was born. Yes,
delightful young man he is. But I don't think it's
ever explained beyond that. And his assistant I forgot her name.
I love her. She's terrific.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Spoiler and that's spoiler.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, she's try I might.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Be mispronouncing it. I'll double check.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And she tells him he has to get a gift,
which she does to shower to make up. This is
nothing like a gift jewelry.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yes, that always is a winner.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I'm always shocked that men don't understand the power of
the flower.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's the simplest thing you know here in New York.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
On every corner there's a Delhi or whatever where you
could just buy a bunch of flowers, and it means everything,
and it solves everything, and they're stupid not to take advantage.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
By the way, I've done the flower thing many times,
but I'm horrible at buying Marla, my wife of your
either for Christmas, Hanuka, whatever, or her birthday. I know
that I gave her these two gifts, which she wanted,
but I gave her a drill. Now he's like, what
(08:23):
the fuck a drill?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Drill is a great thing to have, but not as
a man gift.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And then the other time a barbecue. But by the way, well,
and I totally screwed up.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, that's bad.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, and again, barbecue is a wonderful thing to have.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
No, I know my heart was in the right place,
but I admit to being an idiot.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
So there's a bracelet Cheryl loves in this jewelry store.
He goes to this jewelry store and he looks like
a homeless guy and he gets into an argument with
a real homeless guy looking similar to him in front,
and they don't let him in, so he needs to
call a friend to go into the store to buy
the bracelet for him, and he calls his very very
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dear friend, Richard Lewis. Yes, who shows up in a
Jimmy Hendrix tie.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
By the way, I noticed that too at a hipster
No I know, but I saw it, and I'm like,
what kind of goofy ties man? And I look closer,
it's a Jimmy Hendrix.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
That's Jimmy Hendricks.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I remember we go on on tour and he always
had to go last, which you and I were fine with,
and he came on always to purple head Hendricks Yeah,
purple heads.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, but you have to understand that rich is a throwback.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, well, a lot of his jokes that even tells
on the show our throwback. For example, he looked at
Larry and said, which is midnight Cowboy reference? But you know,
I loved it. But only people are midnight Cowboy fans
would understand that. And I don't know how many there are,
but I would guess per TV show, we have the
(09:55):
highest percentage of midnight cowboy fans of any comedy.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Be right back, stay tuned, and we're back just for
a little aside here, and we'll have Richard on more
than once. At some point and he could tell the
story as well, but just to give the audience some background.
(10:21):
Richard and Larry they were born in the same hospital,
like a few weeks apart. They're born the same year.
They didn't know each other then, and they went to
the same camp, the same sleep boy camp, and they
hated one another the Sleepwoy camp where they were twelve
thirteen something like that. Cut to years later, they're both
at the Improv on West forty fourth Street, right around
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the corner where I am right now, and they look
at each other.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
They're like, cool, you look familiar. I don't know who you.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
They're both doing stand up and they realized that they
were the same guys that they hated each other years
ago in sleep boy camp, and then they became fast
friends for the rest of their lives and they are
very very close friends and have been for many, many years.
So that's the background on them, yes, But so Lewis
shows up wearing his Hendrix tie and he's standing in
front of the store to show him, but the store
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closes for lunch and Lewis wants to walk to lunch
and Larry doesn't want to. Nobody walks in la Lewis
wants to walk. I felt like that was like, you know, who.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Wanted to go was quite the distance?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Quite the distance? Yeah, I walk in LA, but that's
because I'm a New Yorker.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, but there's certain neighborhoods where everybody walks. But you
got to be in that neighborhood because everybody will drive
to that neighborhood. You know, I remember walking from Soho
to the Upper West Side talking about it.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I've done that many times.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, but I'm just saying that's normal. If you tell
the New Yorker you did that, they go, oh, look
at you. Nothing more than that. If you expect them
to go, you did that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but in LA it's it's odd.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
By the way in LA people walk when they go
on hikes, and I find that very unappealing. I liked
knowing in New York that I'm walking.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Is exactly there's a destination.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
By the way. My wife of your and I can't
think of something better than ex wife. I'm trying because
I hate ex wife, and I will change it as
the podcast goes.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
You can't say my old wife, but what she used
to do, she used.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
To want to go for a walk. In the middle
of the walk, she would get to something where she
was upset about and something I couldn't function with. I'm stuck.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You're stuck. You're trapped. There's no uber. Yeah, you're trapped.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, because you have to wait like the uber. You
have to wait for the uber. So you're stuck. And
then taxi cabs don't run up and down suburban la or.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
La, which is you can't hail a cab.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
You cannot hail a cab.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
No, it's not New York.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
No.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So I was asked this question by Becca I believe,
our supervising producer, who said, is that really the relationship
between Louis and Larry, this contention and this fighting, because
if always fighting, is that real?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And I would say the first scene that you see
in episode one of them arguing in the office one
hundred percent real. Them wrestling in front of.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
A place, well that no, that's extreme.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah no, but I'm saying yes, they they do yell
at each other and it's funny. And what's great about
it too, is there's no hurt feelings when they do this.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
So they go to lunch and Larry goes off on
this whole riff about how women are so offended by
men's genitalia that they have to be in love with
them to sleep with them and to have sex with them.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
They have to really love the man to get involved
with that grotesque phoenix. I totally disagree with that.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I totally agree, well, I dine. I used to agree
because I always thought that they were doing us a
favor by going down and blowing us. And I don't
like going down blowing, Okay, So I always thought that
they were doing it to be kind or they were
really in love with someone, just like he says. Yeah,
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but I over the years, many women I know they
told me how much they loved doing it.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
To me, that is a completely adolescent sense of women's sexuality.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, but you're talking about men, Yes, exactly like lessons.
I mean, come on.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
And then there's the whole run about the captain's tip,
which also Anna and Becka didn't even know what that was.
That's a very old fashioned thing because most restaurants don't
do that anymore, but it used to be de Ragora.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I think, were you tip the matre?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
D you tip the captain at fine like steakhouses, like
fine restaurants. By the way, that's the thing from maybe
the latest they did that on a regular basis was
the sixties, you know, for a nicer restaurant.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
But it's like if you went to El Morocco or
twenty one, those great place.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
It's old and historic. And yeah, by the way, I've
had a few dinners with a captain and I was
completely confused. What do you tip the captain?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And who is the captain?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
The actor?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
No, I'm just saying, who the captain? You know, it's
like me weird. It's not like it's not a ship.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
It's not the captain like waiter self explanatory.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
But the captain d D is understanding.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
That episode, I don't know what a captain is to me.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
That was a very old person reference.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
No, I thought it was great because he showed that
it wasn't an old person reference even though it's an
old reference. By being confused.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
By it, I'm not criticizing the reference. I'm just saying
that it was a lot of people don't even know
that that exists anymore, and it did.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
It was a thing.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
And by the way, I guarantee there are a few
places still that have a captain.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Maybe maybe I think actually the Carlisle does.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
By the way, you'd expect the captain there. Yeah, they're
not going to go captain list.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So after they finish all that, and they go back
to the jewelry store and there is Michael the Blind Guy.
I forgot that Michael the Blind Guy was in this
episode called the Blind Guy becomes a major character in
the ben still a season what was that, season three
or four, I don't remember, but he becomes a major
character and a major.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Storyline of the season. In a later season yep.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And by the way, the most wonderful guy. And he's
so and if I remember correctly, he wasn't blind.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
No, he's not blind.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
But by the way, I have no problem with that. Nowadays,
you would either cast a blind person or give a
blind person every opportunity to get the role. And you
know a lot of times you want to do that,
and they're not the best person. That being said, and
this is my big belief that you don't automatically cast
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somebody because of something like that. But they should damn
well get all the opportunities they can. You make the
effort more than an effort. It's like a must to
be inclusive. But I am not of the one where
you have to hire the blind person. There you go,
because actors can play lots of things. And by the way,
I threw that out there because I know that half
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of you are going to agree and half of you
are going to think I'm a moron. Well you're both right.
Those of you who agree with me great, and those
of you who think I'm a moron, I am a moron.
So both sides win. When it comes to me saying something, I.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Could attest to that, yes, And I love how Lewis says,
how could.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You say blind man in front of a blind man?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
By the way, in my opinion, that's the funniest moment
of the show. It's Larius. He says blind man in
front of a blind man? And then what does Richard say?
What's the term? He says? Later someone who can't see?
He says something in Larry's which is the essentially of
saying blind man.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It was almost but I know what you're talking about.
And then Richard brings up a whole thing about recovering alcoholic.
I think Lewis's recovering alcoholic line should be a drinking game,
because in every episode practically he slips in that recovery.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I thought I would be a drinking game. Yeah, I
love that. My relations although I don't know I met
him in stand up. I don't know what his story
was then. But on curb the fact that I pretty
much only worked with the sober Richard Lewis and we
even go to.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Aam Me too, I did not really. I mean I
knew him a little bit. You know, he's legendary, he's
older than us, and he was already so you know,
he was amazing when we came up as congra.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
And I'll tell you the date, nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, so I've only known him well sober as well.
I didn't know him in his crazy days.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I did, but were friends. I know, we weren't friends.
Then we become close friends since the show.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Then Michael the blind guy gilts them into going to
his apartment to move his furniture, which I think that
premise is hilarious.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Right, and by the way, that scene is hilarious, hilarious
and again like the scene in the last episode of
getting Directions with that Lady, difficult scene. It's very difficult
to pull off these guys moving and moving and moving
his furniture until they can escape. It feels real. I'll
tell you what didn't feel real is Richard's hair when
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he was done.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Because he was so sweaty and exhausted.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And you could have pulled that off with him being sweaty,
but he had the sweat of somebody who just it
just was too extreme. I don't know if he's ever
been sweaty like that.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, that whole scene I think is so funny. And
Larry referring to as a deceptive blind man.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Didn't mislead us, He didn't tell us the truth about
what we had to move.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
He was a deceptive blind man, which he was.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
He was very deceptive and very manipulative.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
And that's also one of those scenes where you actually
feel bad for Richard and Larry. They don't come up
very often, don't come feel so bad. That was. But
I have to say, Larry did not know that he
was going to bring back the blind Man. You know
he does that, He doesn't right now.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
He didn't know at that time.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, no, no, but you know, those things kind of
trigger him. I mean, it's the things that inspire him
that he'll be writing the next season and then he'll
remember Michael the blind Man from season one or whatever,
and he's like, he reuses it, and you know, I mean,
I think a lot of characters and a lot of
actors inspire him. We have a scene like that this
season that I'm not going to mention what it is
(20:15):
of somebody from a previous season who inspired him to
come back.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, it's pretty brilliant. Actually, yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And then Richard says to him, is it true or
not that I have more? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
By the way, that's straight out of real life.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
That is so straight out of real life that he
would say that to Larry. And what would Larry's reaction be?
He'd burst out laughing.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
First of yeah, I know, we'll be right back, stay tuned, Okay,
we're back. Who's real and who's not? Richard Lewis is
Richard Lewis, I'm Sussie.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
This is a horrible thing to say. The only one of.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Us who's I know what you're gonna say.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
But people don't understand Richard Lewis is more Richard Lewis
off camera. Like on camera he's a little pulled back,
but off camera he's I'll say ten times what he
is on the show.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
But like episode two, it was Ted and Mary it
was Ted Dance. So and Cheryl's name is Cheryl, but
she's Cheryl Hines, not Cheryl David, and so there is
a confusion. I would just want people to understand that,
really we're all characters, even if Ted Danson is playing
Ted Danson and you know whoever, Larry David is playing
Larry David.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
And by the way, I think it's quite the challenge
to play yourself, it really is that.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
But I don't think any of them are playing themselves.
They're all playing a Carora Well version.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Of themselves that Larry creates. And we have more stories
about Ted Danson in that arena, if you will.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
A lot coming up.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
So, so none of us are who we We're all acting.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
You especially are so far from that characters. The thing
that's sim between you and the SUSI and thing. You
won't do any silly stuff that I asked for.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, I don't suffer fools gladly, as you know.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
But you really Larry plays along with me. Cheryl's my
number one play alonger, which people don't know, and you
will not do any like I've had Larry go up
to extras and explain to all of them. How he
collects lotions from around the world, which I found hilarious.
You would never do that, you know that, Cheryl. We
(22:30):
were filming in a hospital and there was a lot
of doctor cock on fire. Yes, all right, well, but
it is true. So that's you're completely not that And
I am so not like the character at.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
All, And neither is Larry in so many ways.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
By the way, no, no, forget so many ways. He's
not like his character at all. But hold on, JB.
Nothing like nothing like Leon. You know what he'd love though.
He loves staying in character. After they yell cut and
I walk up to him and go, am I dealing
(23:07):
with JB? Or am I dealing with Leon right now?
And he keeps going and then he bursts out laughing
because he loves to continue it for whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
But the confusion I think is less for us because
you're playing Jeff Green and now plays his Green. Then
for the people Ted Danson, Richard Lewis, a million others
that John Ham, whoever it is that are have their
real name and their real profession, let's say, but they're
still acting.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
It's still not their character.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Shure Lewis is even acting, but like I said, he's
the only one that is.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
His character similar to his character, very similar, right, But
even so it's not him.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
No, No, he's acting, you know, right. He buys into
whatever story Larry right, right, And I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
And I wanted a Claire for that because people that
we're working with here ask that question they were confused.
So it doesn't confuse us because we're in it, we know,
but it's nice to get another perspective, all right.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So Lewis has more serenity than Larry.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
And then Larry's again watching the football game and again
screaming and yelling at the TV, which I'm sure he
really does, and he figures out that he lost his
credit card and he's got to go back to the
restaurant to get it. But in the interim he got
Cheryl Roses and they're all made up and that worked,
so he doesn't feel as though he needs to get
(24:25):
the bracelet any longer.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
What was the scene where Larry answers the phone and
he hands it to the guy in the street and says,
if it's a man, give me the phone. If it's
a woman, he's calling, He's I know he's calling Richard Lewis.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Initially, but yeah, that was much earlier. And Bob Whitey,
who directed the episode, is playing the man.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Even though I made fun of him all the time
for that performance, he was really good.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
He was very good.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Confusion, I thought he was great.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
So there he was very good.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Let's go back in the future.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
So he's got Cheryl the roses, he doesn't need to
go spend money on a bracelet.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
She accepted the roses. They were all made up.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Lewis then says, can I buy that bracelet for my girlfriend?
And Larry's like sure. But of course right after that,
Cheryl comes in and says.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I think I really do want that bracelet.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
And he says, but we already made up. So I
told Louis that his girlfriend could have the bracelet, and
of course Cheryl's not happy about that at all. So
Larry cleans himself up. He's in a tie in a
button down shirt, he shaves, and he goes to the
restaurant to pick up the credit card. And who's playing
the hostess but Laura fair Child at the time. Now Striker,
(25:39):
who was then Larry's assistant is now one of our
executive producers and is a great producer and writer.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
And she looks absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
She still looks bad, she still looks so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
She's a beautiful person inside and out.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
She really is though.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
And also her acting was terrific.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah, she did great. By the way to the show
is just be a person. Don't put a spin on it.
Be a person. You know.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I've never been in the casting process with you guys,
but I would imagine you must see people come in
who put on such a show.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Okay, so there's two things. Now, we do it everybody
home tapes.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
We don't do it pandemic.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yes, they just give their real you know. Most of
the time. The weird, weird, weird thing about the audition
process is people come into audition, but they're acting with
the people they'd be doing it Larry, myself, Cheryl, Larry
and I Cheryl and Larry, you know, and so it
throws them. I go out and prepare them for that.
(26:44):
I introduce myself. This is why I love doing it
in person. So that being said, if you come in
and put a spin on anything, try and make it funny,
you're not going to be hired. Bill.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Let me also say about that, for many many seasons,
Larry would never allow the guest stars to see the outlines.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Because he means, no, I don't pay attention.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yes he does now. But starting last season I think
was the first season he ever.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
When you think about it was a season twelve or
what was it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, season thirty, the season eleven, I think, And the
reason for that.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Years people were just coming in cold.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Right, And the reason for that was he didn't want
them preparing lines and stuff ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
See, I think if you give people the sides and
they know the show's improvise, they will come up with jokes,
whereas if they're standing there and they know nothing except
what Jeff Shaefer explains is going to happen. Which, by
the way, I don't read the outlines. I read the
outlines when they're first written. So before we start the season,
I've read every episode and then I basically blank out.
(27:52):
And when I get to set, I say to Jeff Schaeffer,
all right, what happens in this scene? Because I know
I'm not preparing anything.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
But but you know what, Jeff, I like to know
because I like to gauge my performance. If somebody's yelling
and screaming at him, in the scene before. I like
to know what that.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
You never got the sides before?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
No, I always got them.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, so what are you talking.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I'm just saying, I like to know what's the through
line of the episode, so that I could know. Okay,
somebody screaming and yelling at him the scene before, then
maybe I'm.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Going to be a little lower, Okay, but you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
The people aren't getting the full outline. They're just getting
their scene outline. If I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
They don't even get that.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Usually now they do, but in the past they would
just show up on set and they would be told
what the scene is about. They did not see anything
written for years.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
By the way, but in my eyes, an improvised show
or an improvise movie, you don't let anybody read the outline.
You tell them on the need to know basis. But
now they're so dense the outlines that I think people
have complicated.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, for many, many seasons, the only people that the
outlines were you and me and Larry. Obviously, Cheryl was
allowed to read the outlines, but she didn't want to,
and Richard for a long time was dying to read
the outlines and Larry wouldn't let them.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Because even without the outlines, he were on a million jokes.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, that's his thing. So then Larry goes to buy Cheryl.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
For those of you here water in the background, they
should know we're not being we're pouring ourselves.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Water, not being.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Larry dresses up like a mench and he goes and
he's going to get there really really early to get
the bracelet a shark because he's got to beat Lewis.
There's many many things throughout the seasons where he's beating
Lewis at something, you know, getting to a restaurant early, whatever.
But first he has to stop at the restaurant where
he did not tip the captain in order to get
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his credit card that he left there. And of course
the captain is there and Laura is playing.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
The mat the captain parked about.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
To say that, okay, yeah, the captain blocks Larry's car,
parks and in front of him and blocks Larry's car in,
and the captain then refuses to move his car because
Larry didn't tip him. It's the most petty, mean gesture
I think of the captain.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Oh can I tell you something you don't want to
fuck with a captain.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Just don't who knew the power of the captain, They
don't have senses of him. And Larry then has to
literally run to the jewelry shore, which of course makes
no sense in la because they wouldn't be even near
each other, but whatever, and Lewis is going to the
jewelry shore to get the bracelet, and the two of
them end up having a knockdown fight in the vestibule.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
That they do, which is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Which is hilarious, And that's the end of the episode.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, well that feels good. That felt good. Did you
enjoy yourself?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yes, I did, and very very much so.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Well, that's and I feel like this was an episode
that established the which is a theme for twelve seasons
as well, the Larry Lewis dynamic. I mean, last the
be there at sundown, you know in episodis one had
that thing, but this you get the more sense of
their friendship in this one, and they go on to
lunch and you know all of that.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
And that is the complexity of a friendship when it's
real is that there's so many ups and downs, so
many arguments. I say that because right now, an old
friend of mine and we're not doing too well, and
you think we should make up. I know I will.
I've already forgiven.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Now I'm just gonna is this who I think it is?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Well? Who else is there? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
You've told me about two or three.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I told you one that's not a friend, okay, but
you know who it is. I want our listeners to guess.
Please write us.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I don't know do they get a prize?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Too much information? But listen. Thank you so very much
for listening to us. It is an honor that you're
taking time out of your day to listen. I know
a lot of you are listening in the car and
it makes your journey better. There you go. How exciting
is that for us?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And don't forget to tip your captain?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah, you ever come in contact with the captain?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Did the right thing because they have power? Baby?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
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Speaker 1 (32:20):
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