February 29, 2024 • 30 mins
Jeff and Susie discuss *Interior Decorator* from season 1.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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episode description. Hi everyone, then you are who who are you?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm Jeff gar and we're the host of the History
of Enthusiasm.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
And this is episode five Interior Decorator. Yes, and just
for those of you who don't know, these were all
shot way back in the Paleolithic era in the year
two thousand.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I believe you are.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Shot in two thousand. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I think we went to believe yeah, two thousand.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So we open with Larry's theme of life, no good deed,
goes on planning.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, but it's it's just the innocence of him going
into an elevator. Some one asked to stop, which is
the proper behavior is to hold the door open for them,
and he goes into the doctor, the doctor's office.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
He called the elevator for Marissa Jarrett Winnaker, Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Who, by the way, been a dear friend of mine
ever since. And I don't know if we cast her.
We cast her for the show. By we, I mean
Marla and I Oh, I say we used to cast
the show without the casting director at the time.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Was she in Hairspray?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Or No?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
No, here's how much you hadn't accomplished anything yet except
for being a nice human being, which I think is
a greater company very talented. No, I'm sitting at lunch.
She said to me, do you want to hear this
tape I have. I think we're gonna do Hairspray on
Broadway because she was work shopping it. She was work
shopping hairspray. She played it for me, Go, oh, that
sounds great. Little I know she'd won a Tony Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And interestingly that was written by Mark Shaman and Scott Whitman,
and I saw Friday night. I saw a preview of
Some Like It Hot, which they also wrote, which I
thought was terrific.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Oh, I'm completely confused.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
There's a musical now, yes in New York.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And I went to see the preview on Friday, and
I thought it was terrific. I was suspect because you
know you're making a musical.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Come on, Billy Wilder movie.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It's classic Billy Wilder, Malon Monroe, Tony Curtis, John Lemon. Yeah,
but they really updated it, and I thought they did
a great job.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
The music is gorgeous in the lobby at intermission.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I didn't, but Mark the composer is he's great. Way
up there.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I remember from broadcast news singing the news theme. No
I do okay, you brought up Mark Shaman. I didn't.
You didn't let me finish. But go ahead, Marissa Winaker,
what do you have to say?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So she gets in the elevator with Larry and you
know it's not going to be pretty, no the minute
she gets in.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But the fact that she signs in before him and
he's a bit frustrated. The minutia of life is that
life is truly unfair. But all so, I'll use this word,
it's stupid. Life is stupid. It's just that things happen
and you go, that is ridiculous. Forget the unfair. It's
unfair to everyone all the time. Sometimes you get a break,
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sometimes you don't. But this is the minutia of stupid.
It's just stupid.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I mean the fact that she signed in before him,
and then yes, yes, yes, and I love that Larry
can't sign his name. They call him mister Dobbs, which
reminds me of that scene and take the money and
run where he's robbing the bank and they're like, gubb,
I have a gub.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
By the way. I love Lisa and Walter, by the way,
plays the receptionist and she is a big ball of
fantastic Lisa and Walter, who I love. The best line
that I think of the episode is.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Please don't talk to her, she's busy.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Because he starts to talk to the other person. Ever,
please don't talk to her, she's busy. I just thought
that was hilarious. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
But another line that I loved when Larry says.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
What is it like a bakery? You pick a number?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And so this is another example of just you know,
all the injustices of life.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
There was a mistake made. Oh no, not in this scene,
my mistake. But I do love Larry talking to the
extra the other don't you, by the way, the number
of times that has happened to me where some injustice
has happened, usually minor. The major people would speak up,
but a minor injustice that should affect them, And I'll
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start talking to everyone and then I get nothing, get nothing.
People are funny with this, as though he's talking to extras,
so they're gonna say nothing.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
They had to, they're not allowed to say anything, but
they just stare at him, and it's just, you know,
it's it's the indignity. It's all the indignities just put
upon him. I love that him lecturing other patients.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
He was a.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Gentleman and he let you know all of that. And
then he confronts the doctor, Jack Gallagher, doctor in several by.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I'm surprised he still doesn't. I think it just fell
between the cracks at one time where they hired another doctor,
because he's had forty different doctors since then.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And Jack Gallagher, who a stand up comedian. Yeah, for
many years. I did a series with him called Bringing
Up Jack. I think was that I don't remember, but
he was the star of it and I was his sidekick.
It was a series for ABC, and they dumped it
off in the summer, and he was wonderful right away.
(05:25):
You know, you know a show is doomed and basically
because of the network or producers. This guy vibrant Yeah, yes, yeah,
always has said gray hair since his twenties. He does
the show after it's all been signed and done and
we're doing it. Their first request was we want him
to color his hair, and they colored it jet black.
(05:48):
They're basically saying, we want the show to fail, so
can we take something that it's inherent in the lead
character and change it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
And you would have thought if they if they wanted that,
they would have said something of time.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
By the way, if I ever write an autobiography of
my time in Hollywood, it's going to be called you Think,
You think, You think?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You thank you?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah. And by the way, Jack is a great listener
for a comedian, not time, all times. Comedians are great listeners.
He's a great listener. So any time that Larry says anything,
Jack agrees with it, or I forget the work, he
doesn't deny him.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yes and yeah, yes, and which is an important technique.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
He doesn't yes, and to take it to another level,
he yes, AND's for Larry to do his sick you know.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
He stays in the scene. He stays in the scene
the scene, and.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
That's what a good improviser does.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
So wonderful. I'm going to check and see if our
new season, if there's a doctor.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
He's always a doctor.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
There's a new one, and I'm gonna try and.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Get Jack, the other doctor that I love. Will get
to him when the shoes just died. What's his name?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Not the arithotics, the no yeah, And there's his neighbor
and he goes to.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
A no no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Character actor. He was in Paul Thomas Anderson's.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
First Yes, yes, I know, such a great actor.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
He was on He's on the Goldbergs too. I know
Philip Baker Hall.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Philip Baker Hall a remarkable actor.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And we'll get to him when we get to his episode.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Remarkable. I was in awe. By the way, sometimes I
work with somebody who's not a star, but I'm in
awe of him. I was in awe of Philip Baker Hall.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Well, he was an example of a working character actor
who worked all the time.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
But who was great working character actors.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
But he was jas of his generation.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I don't know what Jason Yes to do Cuddles who
played from Casa Blanco.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Oh, I know that guy. Okay, see, I don't know.
I know most of the names from old movies. By
the way, can I also make just one quick comment,
I'm looking now, look at the way I write, and
look at the way you write on our notes. Her
notes like a beautiful letter that she might write to
a president, you know, handwriting, cursive obviously minus printed chaos.
(08:00):
That's your brain. This is my brain. My brain's cast.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
It's also part of my learning disability because I have
all kinds of problems, so I have to do it
neatly otherwise I can't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
And this is part of my learning disability and putting
no effort into it.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Do you think that all comics have some form of
learning disability.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I think that all comics are fucked one way or another.
You know. I used to think when I first started
in comedy, because they always talked about what trauma are you?
And I was like, my child it was beautiful, which
it was, But I'm just a traumatic individual. It's just
trauma follows me right and left.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
You know what, Jeff, you could have a beautiful childhood
and yet there can be trauma. Nobody has a perfect child.
Things happen, and as a child, you're so vulnerable. You know,
we'll be right back. Stay tuned, and we're back. So
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Larry confronts the doctor about the policy. Is it whose
appointment is first, or is it who signs in first?
And this whole confrontation of the fact that he's late
and that Marissa Jarrett Winnaker went before him and took
so long causes him to be late for his appointment
with Diane Keaton, who is going to.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Do his costs Marissa as she's leaving them. I think
that's what the thing that killed me. Were you chatting?
You know, no one should do that, even if they've
been that. That's actually scary.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Well she's rude, yeah, not her personally.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And also there's so many things that I'm watching that
are signs of the times, like now to get a
doctor to spend more than ten minutes with you, right,
it's a different time.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
By the way, here's what I wrote down it because
I realized that it never happens. I wrote down, never happens.
Larry and Marissa twice enter the office, and they're called in.
Ones called in right away. Larry's not called in right away,
but there's a bunch of extras. But we would never
make that mistake now.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
But the assumption I made was because this does frequently happen,
there's another doctor in that office.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Comment exactly yeah, doctor, Schevaga, that does happen.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
But by the way, look at you for justifying. And
I did not see that. I was closed minded.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I thought of it, but it occurred to me.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's like other people, yes, yes, whatever.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
So the doctor tells him that his wife, who happens
to be Larry's lawyer, read his script. And then this
is another pet peeve. Oh my wife read the script. Silence.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Oh no, don't forget even script. Uh so and so
saw your show silent. By the way, I've had people
come backstage after I perform nothing, no, no big ball
of nothing. And by the way, that happens to me
all the time. Now that's not I had actually someone
relatively close to me come with me, come with me
(10:49):
to my gig, I perform. I think I had a
great show. We're driving home, never mentions the show, doesn't
even mention that he would just came from a show.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You know, my mother did that to me when I
did Last of the Red Hot Lovers at Williamstown, right,
I was live theater and she came to the show
and then we drove back to my house when I
had a house upstate, like an hour drive.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Did not say one.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Word By the way, big bull of trauma. That's all
I'm saying to you. That is just so.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So he doesn't say whether she liked the script. She
read the script, and Larry's a nonplused right, and then
he leaves and he doesn't have money for the garage.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Here's an interesting thing. Becca asked me, did someone rob
Larry's wallet? He looked so confused as to how he
didn't have cash. This tells me she's a New York girl,
because rich people don't carry cash.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Even before the whole phone scanning thing. A couple things
I want to say. First off, that is based in reality.
I have been with Larry David at Valet Parking US
getting our cars at the same time at least twenty times.
I have paid every time, not out of generosity, but
out of Yes. Now, the other thing that's interest the
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young lady who plays the woman at the.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Who oh yeah, the attendant, Yeah, the attention.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yes, she's very funny.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Okay, but here's the thing I knew her. She talked
with her American accent, and they gave, oh, you got
to pay me.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, that would not fly right now.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Not only would it not fly, we didn't notice it
back then, Larry didn't notice it, and Larry would be
the first one now, yeah, to say that was.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Another example of what I'm saying. When we look back
and it's twenty two years.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Ago, it's a different time. And by the way, I
learned this at the same exact time we were filming this,
or right after. I know it was a few years after.
But I filmed the movie called I Want Someone to
Eat Cheese With and in the first draft there was
an Asian character. I don't know if it even made
the movie. I can't remember the movie that I made,
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so that really prompts none of you to watch it,
although I do think it's flawed but very charming.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
What the movie is adorable.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
It is a very charming movie.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Audrey Ebert said, I must see.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay, it's a very free star movie or.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
A musty tooth. I don't remember all right. Anyhow, I
wrote the part and I wrote on paper that's why
I write longhand the stupid accent of a Chinese person.
And a friend of mine, Susie Nakamora, said, that's not
good and this is before what we're living.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
With now, let me ask a question about that, and
I was embarrassed this character that she was cast the
character of Joanna the garage attendant, and she really had
an accent.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Great, that's not a problem. No, I'm saying, if you're
looking for that accent, you hire someone who.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Has that accent, even though she was Asian.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Right, even though she was Asian, by the way, that's
one step away from the step and fetch at times,
you know, oh mister or whatever you know, And so
it's a stereotype. Yeah, and it's not appropriate. But we
had no idea, and she was very funny.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
She is funny, and so you were she have been
as funny without the accent, Yes.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I don't think. Probably, Yes, I know her. I saw
the part. If she had spoken with an American access,
she would have been just as funny. Karen Mayuma, Yeah,
she was in the groundlings really talented actress, and I
had performed with her and really thought the world of her.
It never occurred to me where I would go.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You know that we don't have the same consciousness.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Then yeah, but now we're over condus exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
But then.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, you know someone, yes, put the difference all right,
here we go.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So Larry doesn't have the money for the garage. She
owes her three dollars. He'll give her five dollars. He'll
pay her back on Friday. Okay. Then he goes to
meet you, yes, at the restaurant. Diane left. He was
supposed to meet Diane.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Diane left.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You know, I watched that scene, and there are two things.
One's joyful, ones not joyful.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
The joyful part is how easy Larry and I work together.
It's effortless, unequivocally, and we make it their laugh in scenes. However,
I look at that and I'm disgusted. I hate looking
at myself now.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I can't stand looking at myself on screen.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Well, no, by the way, a lot of actors. But
I won't go like I'll go to the premiere of
this movie and I'll work the red carpet. I will
not watch the movie. I'll never see the movie.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Although I do have to say, and I probably have
said this before, Carve is the one thing that I watch.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well, I have to watch because i'm a producer.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, but it's so funny it tickles me.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
No, no, I'm not saying it's not. But it's the
only uncomfortable. However, here, I love how easy we worked together.
But also not only do I like looking at myself,
but I just look at myself. I look like the
michelin man.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Well, you were very overweight at that point.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Very's the key word. And not only that, but I
had had a stroke. Yeah, and I just felt so
bad for the guy me, really super super bad. And
there was a lot of trauma to come for this guy.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But you see, that's what you see. The audience doesn't
see any of that.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You know, Well, in the time, that just thought I
was Jeff. But if you look at that episode now
or any of these first season episodes, you go, holy shit,
he was fat.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Actually when I went back and looked, I was a
little shocked at how fat you were.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
It is based, but you know you're not. Yeah, by
the way, I am so glad. I am not.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
It is it is and you work very hard.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I actually feel that I look the best I've ever
looked now at sixty, you do, which is weird, better
than teenager, better than college, better than any point in
my life, which is weird.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Well, it's how you feel.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
No, I feel nauseous and I feel loathing.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Will be right back, stay tuned, Okay, we're back.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
So then he goes home and Cheryl comes in with
her interior decorator Carmen.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Played by Rose Abdoo, who I was in Second City.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I actually just worked with Rose right, yes, yes, she
plays Joseph j by the way, the housekeeper to Debora
Vance Gene Smart's character, and she is lovely, lovely love.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I want someone to cheese with. And I know I've
worked with him more. And also she did the show.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, and she was terrific in that part. So Carmen
comes in earth tones are over. I love that, and
Diane Keaton is also Carmen's client. Now, Diane leaves a
message on Larry's phone and the phone number is garbled,
and Larry asks Carmen for Diane Keaton's phone number. Carmen
won't give it to him unequickly, which is hilarious because
(17:41):
Larry's right.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Larry's almost always.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Right, oh, by the way. That's the point of the show.
It's almost through him, and every once in a while
it's the oh no, don't do that. That's why I
thought the best season, in my opinion, was the Spike
Store with the coffee because everyone is going into a
coffee what did I say you have been number But
(18:05):
everyone's gone into a shop, whether it's coffee, anything treated
like shit and goes, man, I wish I could close
you down. I wish anything.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I'll never come backs.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I know. But he's acting on his own fantasy.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
The reason why people.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Contend why they like it so much is he saying
what they want to say.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I know, but Larry doesn't write it because of it.
He writes it because that's how he feels. But the
idea to come outside of a coffee shop, look at
a space available and come up with the idea you're
going to open the same exact store with lower prices
and better things, he of course goes crazy with it.
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So so Larry's it's not a question of loyalty. She's saying,
have to be Lloyd in my clients. I love that exchange.
I just think that.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
By the way, a little fun fact is that we
were in our first season. It wasn't like we've gotten
so many amazing guests. Diane didn't really want to do it.
She's like, what's this? So she agreed to record voiceover.
So in this scene phone message easy voiceover. But the
(19:11):
only other scene she appears, in which we'll get to voiceover.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Voiceover, you see.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Her ankles, they're not her ankle.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, I could tell they weren't.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I hope she liked the ankles we try, and.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Larry then fires Carmen for this incident. Yes, and then
he goes back to the parking lot to see his
lawyer and again the guy Oscar Nunez.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
So Oscarunaz character does not speak that way.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
No, but a terrific and you know him from the office,
Probably most.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
People don't guy who I have always loved when I
just see him at the ground wings. He just the
nicest man.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And terrifically funny and terrific actor. And he will not
take Larry's money. Larry gives him ten. Nobody wants to
take his money. And then I love the next scene
where Joanna, the original Asian parking attendant.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Larry goes into the slow motion movement.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And then he realizes who it is. Who it is
I didn't meet too.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But I can't tell you how many times I've been
in an elevator and I've thought of that slow motioning
the door.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I don't think I've ever done it, but it's been
done to me.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
You can just see his face going slowly.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
My reply on the first floor is I hope you're happy.
I hope you're in a big rush.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
So now he's at the lawyer. Yeah, this is so great.
The lawyer wants to charge and it's Nea of Vardallas.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Neo bar Dallas. Yes, I know her for years. Yes,
we also were in Second City Writers.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
She created my big that Greek wedding.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, this is before that.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Was it before that?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
That's how we got her. Actually, I do think that
she would have done it after.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
As you said about Diane, first season was a completely
different thing. Now we have I can't tell you every
celebrity I meet beg me to be on the show,
and of course I have no power to put them on.
But now everyone wants to developing.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
A new show that will allow celebrities to do what
we do. And it's not a game show because it
sounds like that. I'm not going to talk about it
now screen and we filmed an episode. If we're still
doing well.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Price, do you know that now everybody wants to first season,
even second season, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
No, no, no, it took a while.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, and the lawyer wants to charge Larry fifteen hundred
dollars for reading his script. Is that something they really do?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I imagine because everything's been done, okay, But I imagine
that it's not been done when someone didn't ask you
to read it.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
That's okay, because he says he didn't ask and he
doesn't want her notes.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
He's that interested. I believe this, and I also believe
this is true. Okay, this is based on.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
He's not interested in her creative input and he fires her.
So that's two people he's fired already in a day.
Then he goes into the underground garage and he sees Joanna,
and she confronts him.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
She knows the face of Alayah.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
She's funny, she was very, very funny, and he gives
her a twenty. So then he goes out to the
garage and he owes two dollars and twenty cents. He
gave thirty dollars away. He doesn't have any more cash
than thirty dollars. And the lawyer pulls up behind him,
of course, of course, and it's just disgusted.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, well she should be because he just fired her. Yeah,
and she thinks that charging fifteen hundred dollars to rediscript is.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Is David good?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Really standard that, Larry says.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Here's the thing, though, Larry doesn't even hesitant when he
doesn't have the money to go back to her car.
As soon as he commits to it, he goes back
and he asks her for three dollars. She gives him
three dollars, and he goes, I'll give you a ten back.
It pro'll be the best money you ever made. It's
just it's real because it's Larry David in the scenario.
(22:52):
I think other people playing that role. You go, this
is too ridiculously, but I believe it from the moment
he gets out of his car.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Anything he gets into believe. And now he's late for
a Diane meeting again. He's going over to Diane's house.
The assistant answers the door.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Both you both go over there.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, and the houses and I remember exactly where it is.
It's it's off Wiltshire Boulevard and Hancock Park.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Now we should tell people none of these houses are
our real houses. There are houses that are rented for.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Pretty their location.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
People know that because how many.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Times I've been asked, is that really your house?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Well, by the way, we've been on a sound stage.
I would guess in all the years we've been doing it,
maybe five times, maybe five. We are always on location,
you know, the.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Only time we were on sound stage a lot was
in the Seinfeld season.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Well, by the way that that was, let's even take
a step. Yes, No, that's if you're on a sound stage,
playing a sound stage. I'm talking about courtroom scens like different.
I'm talking about when it's not on a sound stage,
just supposed to be someplace else.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
That's maybe five six times account.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
When we're standing on a set, no, no.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
No, Okay has an attitude and he says, the lamp
looks familiar. Why was the lamp familiar? Was that the
same lamp that he broke in pornogill? I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Well, that being said, maybe it was.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You know what, there's a callback to the bracelet. Yes, yes,
how he hurt his finger, Yes, he explains, I heard
him finger. I can count on one hand, same with
sound stages that we use for different settings kind on
one hand, that we do any callbacks to previous episodes.
It's like a fresh late unless it's the storyline of Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Which was later seasons. We got more into the arcs then,
but even in the next episode there's a callback to
talk about that. We'll talk about that next episode. So yeah,
I don't know if that lamp looks familiar or if
it's because maybe Carmen brought it to their house when
she was hired as a decora.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
No, it has to be from Pornogill. I'm just guessing.
Maybe I would guess that that's what's from. It's a
call back to Pornogill. And for those of who like continuity,
look at you.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
You get said it and Carmen is at Diane's house.
They're waiting for Diane in her living room and Carmen
walks in and Carmen wants to get paid and she
and Larry get into a physical altercation which ends up
being eroticized. Yeah, by the way, was that in the outline?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I don't remember it being in the outline. I think
it was thought of on set. It might have been.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
It wasn't something they improvised, something that was.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I couldn't know. It could have gone either way. I
really don't have to go back and look at the outline,
but I think it's really funny them wrestling, but when
she goes to kiss him and she's overwhelmed with passion.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Hilarious.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I don't it took. It's just so funny. I don't
know what this was.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Also, because there's such you know, that's the reality of
the eroticism of anger. We've all been in with our
partners and had huge fights and then you have sex.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Right, makeup sex, sure, But I also remember when I
was this is younger. You know, I'm talking about high school, college.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I'm not even talking about makeup.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I'm talking about hot, erotic sex when you're angry right
with your partner.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
One of the things I am not comfortable with you
is using the terms hot and erotic. I don't look
to you for that. You're like my sister. Please don't
say hot erotic anymore around me. But by the way,
when I was younger, I used to be really attracted
to women I couldn't stand and I was gladly no
matter how much hatred I had, I would have loved
(26:25):
to have had sex.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Well, that's what that was.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Well that goes away for me, that really went away
when I got old.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
That was that was youth.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Youth.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
So they start making out and that was hilarious. Then
he goes to the doctor's office and he parks on
the street because he sees Joanna and he just knows
he's got a park on the street. He can't even
deal with that. But he doesn't have any money for
the meter. That was pre when we could do with
our credit card, right.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
So I want to say something here, which is amazing.
This is a great lesson in comedy. So I watched
that and I think, and I haven't seen it in years. Oh,
we know, I wrote down. We know he's going to
get a ticket. Not Larry David. Larry David is approaching people.
The only one I would have cut out it was
the last guy who walked by, who, like Larry, almost said,
(27:11):
would you eat this pile of shit? That's the way
the guy reacted. Yeah, I know he's asking for change.
But the beauty and the punch is his lawyer, Neovardilos
watching him deal with asking for money, and she just
does to say a word. Her look is perfect, and
her look, by the way, when she was in the
car behind him. You know, that's a lot of acting
to hold back and make a look say a thousand words.
(27:36):
But see, that's the point of when I said a
lesson in comedy. You think he's going to get a ticket.
That's what everybody thought. I thought it when I watched him. No, no, no,
Larry's got bigger plans and it's all about a conference.
Him looking stupid in front of his lawyer for that
reason is what it built up to. Didn't expect it.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So then he goes, I'm.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Sorry, by the way, for anyone listening if you feel
I'm condesce by saying a lesson in comedy understanding not
to me, no, no, no, but I'm saying to them,
I have great respect for our listeners, and I never
want to go I never want to be mister Noah
All in comedy.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
So then Larry shows up Vanessa, by.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
The way, I'm mister some in comedy. I'm not no
at all, I'm some Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
He shows up, goes to the doctor, and Marissa won't
hold she will not hold the elevator, and Larry runs
up the stairs to her. And then again there's a
fight in the hallway, and this is.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Like magical in the hallway, this fighting.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, are the physical fights written into the outline or
improvised during the shoot.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
For the most part, they're written outline.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Not exactly how they're played out.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
But it's really nothing how it's played out, because the
show is improvised. But that's what Larry David wants.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
He enjoys a physical fight. I've had several with him, Yes,
have been really fun. So Larry wins in the hallway.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, but he can't write his name again.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
These are the kinds of things that make me laugh.
When he can't write his name again because of his finger.
And then again he talks to the other patients, but
Marissa goes in first because they changed the policy. Yep,
because Larry requested the policy to be changed.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
So he gets fucked together.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Bite him in, they asked. And by the way, that's
the thing that people can associate with. You complain about something,
they change it, and somehow it fucks you.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
And then Lisa Ann Walter says the whole policy should
be about you first, which is.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Ann Walter the mispronunciation of Larry's name, Lassie Maxon, I
think she said last. The first one, mister chitt was
legit because of his handwritting. The second one she knew
who it was and she fucked with. That's why she
has a smile when she walks to the counter afterwards, So.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It turns out that he goes to the doctor. The
doctor tells him he has a fracture, but he won't
do anything until Larry pays his wife the fifteen hundred
dollars he owes her and pays the doctor his fee
up front.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
And Jack, the way he asked for that and did it,
you kind of didn't blame him. No, you know, he's
sticking up for his wife and he's talking about it.
I love that again, I love that.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Perform It's very understated Jack, which is what makes him
so terrific.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I know, he's really wonderful. But my favorite thing is
when he takes the card. He looks at Larry and says,
gonna get miles. He looks at You're gonna get miles.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
See. Now, that's an improvised kind of a thing that
you would never be written in.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
And it's just one of those things that.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Just, oh, it's beautiful. And the way he says yeah,
and I believe that's where the episode ends.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
It does yeah, and we'll be back next time.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, And thank you all for listening.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
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Speaker 4 (30:45):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm Jeff gar and we're the host of the History
of Enthusiasm.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
And this is episode five Interior Decorator. Yes, and just
for those of you who don't know, these were all
shot way back in the Paleolithic era in the year
two thousand.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I believe you are.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Shot in two thousand. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I think we went to believe yeah, two thousand.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So we open with Larry's theme of life, no good deed,
goes on planning.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, but it's it's just the innocence of him going
into an elevator. Some one asked to stop, which is
the proper behavior is to hold the door open for them,
and he goes into the doctor, the doctor's office.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
He called the elevator for Marissa Jarrett Winnaker, Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Who, by the way, been a dear friend of mine
ever since. And I don't know if we cast her.
We cast her for the show. By we, I mean
Marla and I Oh, I say we used to cast
the show without the casting director at the time.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Was she in Hairspray?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Or No?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
No, here's how much you hadn't accomplished anything yet except
for being a nice human being, which I think is
a greater company very talented. No, I'm sitting at lunch.
She said to me, do you want to hear this
tape I have. I think we're gonna do Hairspray on
Broadway because she was work shopping it. She was work
shopping hairspray. She played it for me, Go, oh, that
sounds great. Little I know she'd won a Tony Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And interestingly that was written by Mark Shaman and Scott Whitman,
and I saw Friday night. I saw a preview of
Some Like It Hot, which they also wrote, which I
thought was terrific.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Oh, I'm completely confused.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
There's a musical now, yes in New York.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And I went to see the preview on Friday, and
I thought it was terrific. I was suspect because you
know you're making a musical.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Come on, Billy Wilder movie.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It's classic Billy Wilder, Malon Monroe, Tony Curtis, John Lemon. Yeah,
but they really updated it, and I thought they did
a great job.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
The music is gorgeous in the lobby at intermission.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I didn't, but Mark the composer is he's great. Way
up there.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I remember from broadcast news singing the news theme. No
I do okay, you brought up Mark Shaman. I didn't.
You didn't let me finish. But go ahead, Marissa Winaker,
what do you have to say?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So she gets in the elevator with Larry and you
know it's not going to be pretty, no the minute
she gets in.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But the fact that she signs in before him and
he's a bit frustrated. The minutia of life is that
life is truly unfair. But all so, I'll use this word,
it's stupid. Life is stupid. It's just that things happen
and you go, that is ridiculous. Forget the unfair. It's
unfair to everyone all the time. Sometimes you get a break,
(03:12):
sometimes you don't. But this is the minutia of stupid.
It's just stupid.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I mean the fact that she signed in before him,
and then yes, yes, yes, and I love that Larry
can't sign his name. They call him mister Dobbs, which
reminds me of that scene and take the money and
run where he's robbing the bank and they're like, gubb,
I have a gub.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
By the way. I love Lisa and Walter, by the way,
plays the receptionist and she is a big ball of
fantastic Lisa and Walter, who I love. The best line
that I think of the episode is.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Please don't talk to her, she's busy.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Because he starts to talk to the other person. Ever,
please don't talk to her, she's busy. I just thought
that was hilarious. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
But another line that I loved when Larry says.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
What is it like a bakery? You pick a number?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And so this is another example of just you know,
all the injustices of life.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
There was a mistake made. Oh no, not in this scene,
my mistake. But I do love Larry talking to the
extra the other don't you, by the way, the number
of times that has happened to me where some injustice
has happened, usually minor. The major people would speak up,
but a minor injustice that should affect them, And I'll
(04:28):
start talking to everyone and then I get nothing, get nothing.
People are funny with this, as though he's talking to extras,
so they're gonna say nothing.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
They had to, they're not allowed to say anything, but
they just stare at him, and it's just, you know,
it's it's the indignity. It's all the indignities just put
upon him. I love that him lecturing other patients.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
He was a.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Gentleman and he let you know all of that. And
then he confronts the doctor, Jack Gallagher, doctor in several by.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I'm surprised he still doesn't. I think it just fell
between the cracks at one time where they hired another doctor,
because he's had forty different doctors since then.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And Jack Gallagher, who a stand up comedian. Yeah, for
many years. I did a series with him called Bringing
Up Jack. I think was that I don't remember, but
he was the star of it and I was his sidekick.
It was a series for ABC, and they dumped it
off in the summer, and he was wonderful right away.
(05:25):
You know, you know a show is doomed and basically
because of the network or producers. This guy vibrant Yeah, yes, yeah,
always has said gray hair since his twenties. He does
the show after it's all been signed and done and
we're doing it. Their first request was we want him
to color his hair, and they colored it jet black.
(05:48):
They're basically saying, we want the show to fail, so
can we take something that it's inherent in the lead
character and change it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
And you would have thought if they if they wanted that,
they would have said something of time.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
By the way, if I ever write an autobiography of
my time in Hollywood, it's going to be called you Think,
You think, You think?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You thank you?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah. And by the way, Jack is a great listener
for a comedian, not time, all times. Comedians are great listeners.
He's a great listener. So any time that Larry says anything,
Jack agrees with it, or I forget the work, he
doesn't deny him.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yes and yeah, yes, and which is an important technique.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
He doesn't yes, and to take it to another level,
he yes, AND's for Larry to do his sick you know.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
He stays in the scene. He stays in the scene
the scene, and.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
That's what a good improviser does.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
So wonderful. I'm going to check and see if our
new season, if there's a doctor.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
He's always a doctor.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
There's a new one, and I'm gonna try and.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Get Jack, the other doctor that I love. Will get
to him when the shoes just died. What's his name?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Not the arithotics, the no yeah, And there's his neighbor
and he goes to.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
A no no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Character actor. He was in Paul Thomas Anderson's.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
First Yes, yes, I know, such a great actor.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
He was on He's on the Goldbergs too. I know
Philip Baker Hall.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Philip Baker Hall a remarkable actor.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And we'll get to him when we get to his episode.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Remarkable. I was in awe. By the way, sometimes I
work with somebody who's not a star, but I'm in
awe of him. I was in awe of Philip Baker Hall.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Well, he was an example of a working character actor
who worked all the time.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
But who was great working character actors.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
But he was jas of his generation.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I don't know what Jason Yes to do Cuddles who
played from Casa Blanco.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Oh, I know that guy. Okay, see, I don't know.
I know most of the names from old movies. By
the way, can I also make just one quick comment,
I'm looking now, look at the way I write, and
look at the way you write on our notes. Her
notes like a beautiful letter that she might write to
a president, you know, handwriting, cursive obviously minus printed chaos.
(08:00):
That's your brain. This is my brain. My brain's cast.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
It's also part of my learning disability because I have
all kinds of problems, so I have to do it
neatly otherwise I can't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
And this is part of my learning disability and putting
no effort into it.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Do you think that all comics have some form of
learning disability.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I think that all comics are fucked one way or another.
You know. I used to think when I first started
in comedy, because they always talked about what trauma are you?
And I was like, my child it was beautiful, which
it was, But I'm just a traumatic individual. It's just
trauma follows me right and left.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
You know what, Jeff, you could have a beautiful childhood
and yet there can be trauma. Nobody has a perfect child.
Things happen, and as a child, you're so vulnerable. You know,
we'll be right back. Stay tuned, and we're back. So
(08:58):
Larry confronts the doctor about the policy. Is it whose
appointment is first, or is it who signs in first?
And this whole confrontation of the fact that he's late
and that Marissa Jarrett Winnaker went before him and took
so long causes him to be late for his appointment
with Diane Keaton, who is going to.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Do his costs Marissa as she's leaving them. I think
that's what the thing that killed me. Were you chatting?
You know, no one should do that, even if they've
been that. That's actually scary.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Well she's rude, yeah, not her personally.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And also there's so many things that I'm watching that
are signs of the times, like now to get a
doctor to spend more than ten minutes with you, right,
it's a different time.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
By the way, here's what I wrote down it because
I realized that it never happens. I wrote down, never happens.
Larry and Marissa twice enter the office, and they're called in.
Ones called in right away. Larry's not called in right away,
but there's a bunch of extras. But we would never
make that mistake now.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
But the assumption I made was because this does frequently happen,
there's another doctor in that office.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Comment exactly yeah, doctor, Schevaga, that does happen.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
But by the way, look at you for justifying. And
I did not see that. I was closed minded.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I thought of it, but it occurred to me.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's like other people, yes, yes, whatever.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
So the doctor tells him that his wife, who happens
to be Larry's lawyer, read his script. And then this
is another pet peeve. Oh my wife read the script. Silence.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Oh no, don't forget even script. Uh so and so
saw your show silent. By the way, I've had people
come backstage after I perform nothing, no, no big ball
of nothing. And by the way, that happens to me
all the time. Now that's not I had actually someone
relatively close to me come with me, come with me
(10:49):
to my gig, I perform. I think I had a
great show. We're driving home, never mentions the show, doesn't
even mention that he would just came from a show.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You know, my mother did that to me when I
did Last of the Red Hot Lovers at Williamstown, right,
I was live theater and she came to the show
and then we drove back to my house when I
had a house upstate, like an hour drive.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Did not say one.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Word By the way, big bull of trauma. That's all
I'm saying to you. That is just so.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So he doesn't say whether she liked the script. She
read the script, and Larry's a nonplused right, and then
he leaves and he doesn't have money for the garage.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Here's an interesting thing. Becca asked me, did someone rob
Larry's wallet? He looked so confused as to how he
didn't have cash. This tells me she's a New York girl,
because rich people don't carry cash.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Even before the whole phone scanning thing. A couple things
I want to say. First off, that is based in reality.
I have been with Larry David at Valet Parking US
getting our cars at the same time at least twenty times.
I have paid every time, not out of generosity, but
out of Yes. Now, the other thing that's interest the
(12:00):
young lady who plays the woman at the.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Who oh yeah, the attendant, Yeah, the attention.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yes, she's very funny.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Okay, but here's the thing I knew her. She talked
with her American accent, and they gave, oh, you got
to pay me.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, that would not fly right now.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Not only would it not fly, we didn't notice it
back then, Larry didn't notice it, and Larry would be
the first one now, yeah, to say that was.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Another example of what I'm saying. When we look back
and it's twenty two years.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Ago, it's a different time. And by the way, I
learned this at the same exact time we were filming this,
or right after. I know it was a few years after.
But I filmed the movie called I Want Someone to
Eat Cheese With and in the first draft there was
an Asian character. I don't know if it even made
the movie. I can't remember the movie that I made,
(12:52):
so that really prompts none of you to watch it,
although I do think it's flawed but very charming.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
What the movie is adorable.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
It is a very charming movie.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Audrey Ebert said, I must see.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay, it's a very free star movie or.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
A musty tooth. I don't remember all right. Anyhow, I
wrote the part and I wrote on paper that's why
I write longhand the stupid accent of a Chinese person.
And a friend of mine, Susie Nakamora, said, that's not
good and this is before what we're living.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
With now, let me ask a question about that, and
I was embarrassed this character that she was cast the
character of Joanna the garage attendant, and she really had
an accent.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Great, that's not a problem. No, I'm saying, if you're
looking for that accent, you hire someone who.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Has that accent, even though she was Asian.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Right, even though she was Asian, by the way, that's
one step away from the step and fetch at times,
you know, oh mister or whatever you know, And so
it's a stereotype. Yeah, and it's not appropriate. But we
had no idea, and she was very funny.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
She is funny, and so you were she have been
as funny without the accent, Yes.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I don't think. Probably, Yes, I know her. I saw
the part. If she had spoken with an American access,
she would have been just as funny. Karen Mayuma, Yeah,
she was in the groundlings really talented actress, and I
had performed with her and really thought the world of her.
It never occurred to me where I would go.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You know that we don't have the same consciousness.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Then yeah, but now we're over condus exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
But then.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, you know someone, yes, put the difference all right,
here we go.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So Larry doesn't have the money for the garage. She
owes her three dollars. He'll give her five dollars. He'll
pay her back on Friday. Okay. Then he goes to
meet you, yes, at the restaurant. Diane left. He was
supposed to meet Diane.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Diane left.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You know, I watched that scene, and there are two things.
One's joyful, ones not joyful.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
The joyful part is how easy Larry and I work together.
It's effortless, unequivocally, and we make it their laugh in scenes. However,
I look at that and I'm disgusted. I hate looking
at myself now.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I can't stand looking at myself on screen.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Well, no, by the way, a lot of actors. But
I won't go like I'll go to the premiere of
this movie and I'll work the red carpet. I will
not watch the movie. I'll never see the movie.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Although I do have to say, and I probably have
said this before, Carve is the one thing that I watch.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well, I have to watch because i'm a producer.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, but it's so funny it tickles me.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
No, no, I'm not saying it's not. But it's the
only uncomfortable. However, here, I love how easy we worked together.
But also not only do I like looking at myself,
but I just look at myself. I look like the
michelin man.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Well, you were very overweight at that point.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Very's the key word. And not only that, but I
had had a stroke. Yeah, and I just felt so
bad for the guy me, really super super bad. And
there was a lot of trauma to come for this guy.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But you see, that's what you see. The audience doesn't
see any of that.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You know, Well, in the time, that just thought I
was Jeff. But if you look at that episode now
or any of these first season episodes, you go, holy shit,
he was fat.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Actually when I went back and looked, I was a
little shocked at how fat you were.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
It is based, but you know you're not. Yeah, by
the way, I am so glad. I am not.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
It is it is and you work very hard.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I actually feel that I look the best I've ever
looked now at sixty, you do, which is weird, better
than teenager, better than college, better than any point in
my life, which is weird.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Well, it's how you feel.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
No, I feel nauseous and I feel loathing.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Will be right back, stay tuned, Okay, we're back.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
So then he goes home and Cheryl comes in with
her interior decorator Carmen.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Played by Rose Abdoo, who I was in Second City.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I actually just worked with Rose right, yes, yes, she
plays Joseph j by the way, the housekeeper to Debora
Vance Gene Smart's character, and she is lovely, lovely love.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I want someone to cheese with. And I know I've
worked with him more. And also she did the show.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, and she was terrific in that part. So Carmen
comes in earth tones are over. I love that, and
Diane Keaton is also Carmen's client. Now, Diane leaves a
message on Larry's phone and the phone number is garbled,
and Larry asks Carmen for Diane Keaton's phone number. Carmen
won't give it to him unequickly, which is hilarious because
(17:41):
Larry's right.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Larry's almost always.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Right, oh, by the way. That's the point of the show.
It's almost through him, and every once in a while
it's the oh no, don't do that. That's why I
thought the best season, in my opinion, was the Spike
Store with the coffee because everyone is going into a
coffee what did I say you have been number But
(18:05):
everyone's gone into a shop, whether it's coffee, anything treated
like shit and goes, man, I wish I could close
you down. I wish anything.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I'll never come backs.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I know. But he's acting on his own fantasy.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
The reason why people.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Contend why they like it so much is he saying
what they want to say.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I know, but Larry doesn't write it because of it.
He writes it because that's how he feels. But the
idea to come outside of a coffee shop, look at
a space available and come up with the idea you're
going to open the same exact store with lower prices
and better things, he of course goes crazy with it.
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So so Larry's it's not a question of loyalty. She's saying,
have to be Lloyd in my clients. I love that exchange.
I just think that.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
By the way, a little fun fact is that we
were in our first season. It wasn't like we've gotten
so many amazing guests. Diane didn't really want to do it.
She's like, what's this? So she agreed to record voiceover.
So in this scene phone message easy voiceover. But the
(19:11):
only other scene she appears, in which we'll get to voiceover.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Voiceover, you see.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Her ankles, they're not her ankle.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, I could tell they weren't.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I hope she liked the ankles we try, and.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Larry then fires Carmen for this incident. Yes, and then
he goes back to the parking lot to see his
lawyer and again the guy Oscar Nunez.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
So Oscarunaz character does not speak that way.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
No, but a terrific and you know him from the office,
Probably most.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
People don't guy who I have always loved when I
just see him at the ground wings. He just the
nicest man.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And terrifically funny and terrific actor. And he will not
take Larry's money. Larry gives him ten. Nobody wants to
take his money. And then I love the next scene
where Joanna, the original Asian parking attendant.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Larry goes into the slow motion movement.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And then he realizes who it is. Who it is
I didn't meet too.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But I can't tell you how many times I've been
in an elevator and I've thought of that slow motioning
the door.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I don't think I've ever done it, but it's been
done to me.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
You can just see his face going slowly.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
My reply on the first floor is I hope you're happy.
I hope you're in a big rush.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
So now he's at the lawyer. Yeah, this is so great.
The lawyer wants to charge and it's Nea of Vardallas.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Neo bar Dallas. Yes, I know her for years. Yes,
we also were in Second City Writers.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
She created my big that Greek wedding.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, this is before that.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Was it before that?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
That's how we got her. Actually, I do think that
she would have done it after.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
As you said about Diane, first season was a completely
different thing. Now we have I can't tell you every
celebrity I meet beg me to be on the show,
and of course I have no power to put them on.
But now everyone wants to developing.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
A new show that will allow celebrities to do what
we do. And it's not a game show because it
sounds like that. I'm not going to talk about it
now screen and we filmed an episode. If we're still
doing well.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Price, do you know that now everybody wants to first season,
even second season, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
No, no, no, it took a while.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, and the lawyer wants to charge Larry fifteen hundred
dollars for reading his script. Is that something they really do?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I imagine because everything's been done, okay, But I imagine
that it's not been done when someone didn't ask you
to read it.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
That's okay, because he says he didn't ask and he
doesn't want her notes.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
He's that interested. I believe this, and I also believe
this is true. Okay, this is based on.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
He's not interested in her creative input and he fires her.
So that's two people he's fired already in a day.
Then he goes into the underground garage and he sees Joanna,
and she confronts him.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
She knows the face of Alayah.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
She's funny, she was very, very funny, and he gives
her a twenty. So then he goes out to the
garage and he owes two dollars and twenty cents. He
gave thirty dollars away. He doesn't have any more cash
than thirty dollars. And the lawyer pulls up behind him,
of course, of course, and it's just disgusted.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, well she should be because he just fired her. Yeah,
and she thinks that charging fifteen hundred dollars to rediscript is.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Is David good?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Really standard that, Larry says.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Here's the thing, though, Larry doesn't even hesitant when he
doesn't have the money to go back to her car.
As soon as he commits to it, he goes back
and he asks her for three dollars. She gives him
three dollars, and he goes, I'll give you a ten back.
It pro'll be the best money you ever made. It's
just it's real because it's Larry David in the scenario.
(22:52):
I think other people playing that role. You go, this
is too ridiculously, but I believe it from the moment
he gets out of his car.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Anything he gets into believe. And now he's late for
a Diane meeting again. He's going over to Diane's house.
The assistant answers the door.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Both you both go over there.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, and the houses and I remember exactly where it is.
It's it's off Wiltshire Boulevard and Hancock Park.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Now we should tell people none of these houses are
our real houses. There are houses that are rented for.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Pretty their location.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
People know that because how many.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Times I've been asked, is that really your house?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Well, by the way, we've been on a sound stage.
I would guess in all the years we've been doing it,
maybe five times, maybe five. We are always on location,
you know, the.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Only time we were on sound stage a lot was
in the Seinfeld season.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Well, by the way that that was, let's even take
a step. Yes, No, that's if you're on a sound stage,
playing a sound stage. I'm talking about courtroom scens like different.
I'm talking about when it's not on a sound stage,
just supposed to be someplace else.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
That's maybe five six times account.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
When we're standing on a set, no, no.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
No, Okay has an attitude and he says, the lamp
looks familiar. Why was the lamp familiar? Was that the
same lamp that he broke in pornogill? I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Well, that being said, maybe it was.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You know what, there's a callback to the bracelet. Yes, yes,
how he hurt his finger, Yes, he explains, I heard
him finger. I can count on one hand, same with
sound stages that we use for different settings kind on
one hand, that we do any callbacks to previous episodes.
It's like a fresh late unless it's the storyline of Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Which was later seasons. We got more into the arcs then,
but even in the next episode there's a callback to
talk about that. We'll talk about that next episode. So yeah,
I don't know if that lamp looks familiar or if
it's because maybe Carmen brought it to their house when
she was hired as a decora.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
No, it has to be from Pornogill. I'm just guessing.
Maybe I would guess that that's what's from. It's a
call back to Pornogill. And for those of who like continuity,
look at you.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
You get said it and Carmen is at Diane's house.
They're waiting for Diane in her living room and Carmen
walks in and Carmen wants to get paid and she
and Larry get into a physical altercation which ends up
being eroticized. Yeah, by the way, was that in the outline?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I don't remember it being in the outline. I think
it was thought of on set. It might have been.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
It wasn't something they improvised, something that was.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I couldn't know. It could have gone either way. I
really don't have to go back and look at the outline,
but I think it's really funny them wrestling, but when
she goes to kiss him and she's overwhelmed with passion.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Hilarious.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I don't it took. It's just so funny. I don't
know what this was.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Also, because there's such you know, that's the reality of
the eroticism of anger. We've all been in with our
partners and had huge fights and then you have sex.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Right, makeup sex, sure, But I also remember when I
was this is younger. You know, I'm talking about high school, college.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I'm not even talking about makeup.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I'm talking about hot, erotic sex when you're angry right
with your partner.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
One of the things I am not comfortable with you
is using the terms hot and erotic. I don't look
to you for that. You're like my sister. Please don't
say hot erotic anymore around me. But by the way,
when I was younger, I used to be really attracted
to women I couldn't stand and I was gladly no
matter how much hatred I had, I would have loved
(26:25):
to have had sex.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Well, that's what that was.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Well that goes away for me, that really went away
when I got old.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
That was that was youth.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Youth.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
So they start making out and that was hilarious. Then
he goes to the doctor's office and he parks on
the street because he sees Joanna and he just knows
he's got a park on the street. He can't even
deal with that. But he doesn't have any money for
the meter. That was pre when we could do with
our credit card, right.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
So I want to say something here, which is amazing.
This is a great lesson in comedy. So I watched
that and I think, and I haven't seen it in years. Oh,
we know, I wrote down. We know he's going to
get a ticket. Not Larry David. Larry David is approaching people.
The only one I would have cut out it was
the last guy who walked by, who, like Larry, almost said,
(27:11):
would you eat this pile of shit? That's the way
the guy reacted. Yeah, I know he's asking for change.
But the beauty and the punch is his lawyer, Neovardilos
watching him deal with asking for money, and she just
does to say a word. Her look is perfect, and
her look, by the way, when she was in the
car behind him. You know, that's a lot of acting
to hold back and make a look say a thousand words.
(27:36):
But see, that's the point of when I said a
lesson in comedy. You think he's going to get a ticket.
That's what everybody thought. I thought it when I watched him. No, no, no,
Larry's got bigger plans and it's all about a conference.
Him looking stupid in front of his lawyer for that
reason is what it built up to. Didn't expect it.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So then he goes, I'm.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Sorry, by the way, for anyone listening if you feel
I'm condesce by saying a lesson in comedy understanding not
to me, no, no, no, but I'm saying to them,
I have great respect for our listeners, and I never
want to go I never want to be mister Noah
All in comedy.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
So then Larry shows up Vanessa, by.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
The way, I'm mister some in comedy. I'm not no
at all, I'm some Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
He shows up, goes to the doctor, and Marissa won't
hold she will not hold the elevator, and Larry runs
up the stairs to her. And then again there's a
fight in the hallway, and this is.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Like magical in the hallway, this fighting.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, are the physical fights written into the outline or
improvised during the shoot.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
For the most part, they're written outline.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Not exactly how they're played out.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
But it's really nothing how it's played out, because the
show is improvised. But that's what Larry David wants.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
He enjoys a physical fight. I've had several with him, Yes,
have been really fun. So Larry wins in the hallway.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, but he can't write his name again.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
These are the kinds of things that make me laugh.
When he can't write his name again because of his finger.
And then again he talks to the other patients, but
Marissa goes in first because they changed the policy. Yep,
because Larry requested the policy to be changed.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
So he gets fucked together.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Bite him in, they asked. And by the way, that's
the thing that people can associate with. You complain about something,
they change it, and somehow it fucks you.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
And then Lisa Ann Walter says the whole policy should
be about you first, which is.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Ann Walter the mispronunciation of Larry's name, Lassie Maxon, I
think she said last. The first one, mister chitt was
legit because of his handwritting. The second one she knew
who it was and she fucked with. That's why she
has a smile when she walks to the counter afterwards, So.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It turns out that he goes to the doctor. The
doctor tells him he has a fracture, but he won't
do anything until Larry pays his wife the fifteen hundred
dollars he owes her and pays the doctor his fee
up front.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
And Jack, the way he asked for that and did it,
you kind of didn't blame him. No, you know, he's
sticking up for his wife and he's talking about it.
I love that again, I love that.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Perform It's very understated Jack, which is what makes him
so terrific.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I know, he's really wonderful. But my favorite thing is
when he takes the card. He looks at Larry and says,
gonna get miles. He looks at You're gonna get miles.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
See. Now, that's an improvised kind of a thing that
you would never be written in.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
And it's just one of those things that.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Just, oh, it's beautiful. And the way he says yeah,
and I believe that's where the episode ends.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
It does yeah, and we'll be back next time.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, And thank you all for listening.
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