November 14, 2024 • 55 mins
Jeff and Susie discuss “The 5 Wood” from Season 4 with a special appearance from Bryan Gordon.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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episode description. Okay, so we're here. This is season four,
(00:29):
Episode five. The five would a classic. I'm Susie Esman,
I'm Jeff Garland and our special guest today.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Brighten, whatever you're doing just made a lot of noise.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Our special guest today is making noise. Is Brian Gordon,
who directed this episode.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Does anybody still use a pen?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I do?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I do? Yeah, we all use pete.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
By the way, whenever I write, I write long hand
and then I have my assistant. I'm an assistant. Yes,
hype it up for me. That's how I do it.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Good and Brian, this is season four. So this is
the fourth episode you directed, because you directed one per season.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
The first one was Affirmative Action, the second was The Acupuncturist,
and season three was the Classic Special Section, which for
which you won a DGA Award. Hey, Brian, and nominated
for an Emmy. If I'm correct, Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Brian am.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I was talking about in that episode how sad I
was that two things. One is that we lost the
scene of Larry and I sitting and talking outside the
graveyard with Richard and Shelley coming up and Richard wanted
to test out the drive. I was so sad to
(01:41):
lose that. That's one of my favorite scenes ever in
the history of the show. It was a tough one.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Do you have a series of episodes that you could
put together of scenes that didn't make the cut.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
If Megan Murphy was still working for the show, he
could have done that.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
But he was our post coordinator, post production coordinating.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And so she knows, she knows where the dead bodies
are if he was, And that's I was also sad
because we lost great stuff that because of time we
had to make the grave digging a montage that killed.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Oh my god, that killed me because we spent all
night digging that damn grave. I know that, Yes, I know,
And so we're up till like three in the morning
digging easy.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
By the way, I actually remember five, sir, five five
in the morning. It was an all nighter in a graveyard.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Oh you know.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
And I'm sorry, I wasn't there, even though it was
till five in the morning. In the graveyard.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
My graveyard shoots are really fun. I'm being totally serious.
They're really fun because they're just so absurd that you're
in a graveyard shooting at night.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, especially that episode you're in a graveyard digging up
his mother's grave because she had a tattoo on a rass.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I mean she was put in the special section, this
special section.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I did a number of graveyard episodes.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Are you did the other ones too?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Well?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
We were always it seems we're always at that cemetery.
I believe it was an Alta Dina, Yeah, that same cemetery.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But this one, I think we switched off. We did
the memorial in another the Hollywood behind.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
The part where he's talking to the guy exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
There's a lot of funerals in this show. A lot
of funerals and a lot of golf. This episode has
one of my favorite scenes that I've ever done of
all time. But we're going to start at the beginning.
This is a classic, it really.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It is considered one of the classic Curb episodes.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah by far, grateful, Yeah, grateful.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You know you've directed several class I mean the Black
Swan you directed. Also, didn't you write.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Another another memorial that's Paul Mazerski died in that episode.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, Paul Mazerski with the sign and yeah that was
And by the way, that's the famous with mister Takahashi
and it was the first big one.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah. I love that scene where he just says, you
have big mouthed wife. Okay, So we start the episode, Brian,
what are you doing noise every time?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Oh my god, I'm just I'm moving furniture. I mean,
what's the problem.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You have no idea?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Okay, okay, right, So you know we were discussing the
last week or the week before, Jeff about how sometimes
the sound gets all fucked up and we have to
redo it because of the sound Exhibit A. Brian Gordon's
fucking up the sound.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
But thank god, we're not going to have to redo this.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
No, we're not. So we start out with we see
Larry David and David Shwimmer now is playing the part
of Leo, and we see them rehearsing in their black
hats and they're dancing and Patrick the what was his
name as the choreographer was Steven. I believe Patrick is
the actor's name. Steven is the choreactor. He said to Larry, Larry,
you've been doing your homework.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I am all astonish man.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It is fantastic, fierce, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Yes, yes, it was really fairs, really fierce.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You are fierce doing your homework. You are so fierce.
And David Swimmers like, what about me and the pod deray?
I have no idea what a pod deray is? Whatsoever?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Jeff would know, right, Jeff with if.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Anyone would know, if anyone would know, it's Susie because
she's a big Broadway person and her sister is a producer.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I was with a very famous ballet dancer yesterday and
I should have asked him, but I will ask him tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
When the pod deray is Yes, Well, the fierce thing
was was really the beginning of and then you know,
we shot this in two thousand and five? Was it?
And Larry taking on a persona of being gay, right,
which was okay? You know, and then you put it
to twenty twelve and you question whether how would he
(06:03):
do it today?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I think he would do it the same.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
But the truth is the reason it works is obviously
it's funny, but he's embracing the culture. Yes, he's embracing
the culture. It's not him commenting or being mean spirited.
But you know what's lost nowadays with people who are
easily offended, who don't have sense of humor nuance, so
(06:28):
they just see black and white and say you can't
do that. It's difficult. Comedy's a little bit more difficult now.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Well. I don't think Larry really cares or listens to
the political correctness. Thus the beauty of this show.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And by the way, that part of the popularity of
the show is all types of people love it for
its lack of political correctness.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So he goes through this whole thing with Schwimmer about
the pod day and Larry system, if you want to
do extra work, and Swimmer says he can't because he's
meeting his father, and we find out that his father
is the creator and maker of health Glow Nuts, and
Larry right away I have ideas about mixed nuts, so
I why not put a pecan with a blueberry or
(07:12):
a dried cherry with a filbert, which later on that
goes to last season's episode about the mini bar, and
you know, all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
He loves, loves bags of nuts, he.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Loves bags of nuts and trail mix, and he wants
to pitch to David Swimmer's dad, and David says, yes,
stay in your own elements. So already we see Larry's
creating problems with Schwimmer as he did with Ben Stiller. Yes,
and Larry and Steven the choreographer go to get a
snack and we see Larry what we were discussing doing
all Stevens extremely gay mannerisms, fierce and the way he's
(07:47):
using his hands, and it's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
You and David are so good together.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Love him, oh god, love that ch mystery together. It's fierce,
absolutely fierce, totally fierce, so much better than Ben.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Don't you think that was so bosso?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, he had that kind of entitled attitude.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I don't care for it at all, totally.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I know.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Hilarious, It is fucking hilarious.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
One thing that Larry does is great. He says to
the whats then the piano player, too bad, you can't see.
He says to Michael, too bad you can't see. And
that is so wildly inappropriate but hilarious, and it's a
real relationship. See, that's why that one works because it's
a real relationship, and Michael has taken advantage of Larry
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in earlier relationships.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Totally taking advantage of it exactly. I mean almost on
an abusive level. Michael's almost abusive to Leally, I know, yes.
And then Steven the choreographer brings up his friend Anthony,
who's a doctor who's gorgeous and who just broke up
with his boyfriend. So Larry then sees a bag of
the health glow nuts.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, you're passing your passing?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
What what did I passed on?
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Pirate's booty, pirates booty, Pirate's.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Booty, embarrassing his topet. No, I can't have Pirate's booty. No,
but you can have a pair.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
First off, my favorite all time snack and just him
singing a song holding up Pirate's booty. I'm sure I
went up to him after we shot that and went
that stays in. I'm sure because I do that to him.
I always say to him, and I think I've said
on the show before, I will wrestle you if you
don't keep that in the show because it's such a
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thing of beauty and that I love the little moments
that have nothing to do with story. They're completely absurd,
but that's my sense of humor. But still, god, damn,
I love that. Okay, keep going.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I didn't even notice the Pirate's booty.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Well that you're not looking.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You're not looking, and I know that that that that
Larry loved Pirate's booty, and his kids love Pirate's booty.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
By the way, mine too, booty is and we later
on somewhere else's Pirate's booty. Oh, I know what it was.
It was the scene in season eleven where Kelly Cuoco,
however you say her name drops the Pirate's booty, right right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Right right right, by the way, Pirate's booty best snack
for comedy, just say.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well, you know, it's interesting how sharp the humor is
on this show. And everything means something, and I think
the audience got to learn even story when you sort
of you don't say any If you say something, it
has something to do with something.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, you would not. The Pirate's booty did. By the way,
the show works, And now you pay attention to the
first five to seven minutes, everything's laid out for you. Now,
Larry David is brilliant, so he knows how to push
the dominoes to where they end up. And you go, oh,
but everything you need to know is in the first
(11:02):
five to seven minutes. If you want to use kerb
as a mystery.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
That's true. Yeah, very true.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
So Larry sees the health Glow Nuts in the store
and he notices there's only four cashews. The cashew raise
and balance is a skew. And this is a typical
Larry thing to notice and to be upset about. And
next he's in his office, walks in singing, and Antwinette
is like, hey, Broadway, and Larry starts talking about it.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
On hold, on, hold on a couple things. Number one,
what's his name? The choreographer agrees with him, So Larry,
Larry is not proved.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Wrong about the clow nuts. You may yes.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
And then I wrote story though, oh, I have filmed
so many times. In that story, I filmed the movie
called I Want Someone to Eat Cheese With in that store.
I forgot what else I shot got one other thing,
but three things. It's on Callfax and the church across
the street is where you have lunch. I'm just saying
that's the way It works because the church lets cruise
(12:05):
park there and such. That's how a church makes extra money.
And that little gross re marked was in my movie.
Was in the show and something else I shot there.
I can't remember right now, all right, Brian, I do
fun facts that are fun for me.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Here's another fun fact for me is that David Swimmer
I directed him on The Wonder Years fourteen years before
that where he was It.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Was the boy's friend, wasn't he? He was the boy.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Olivia Olivia Diabo's boyfriend on The Wonder Years at the
Sportsman's Club. How about that one? Yes and.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yes, yes, And I'll give you a fun fact about
David Swimmer. I actually played his mother in a pilot.
I'm not that much older than him, but I played
his mother.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I did that once too. I was in movie with
what the hell's her name? Oh, Christen Christy fuck anyhow,
I played her father the movie before. She played Steve
Carell's girlfriend in the movie and Steve Carell and I
are at the same exact age.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Well, that's like Anne Bankrupt, you know, in the graduate
of Justin Hoffmann. What was she like three years older
than him? Yes, the magic of filmmaking will be right back.
Stay tuned, and we're back. So Larry also mentions to
(13:43):
Antoinette that David Swimmer is fierce. So he's using that word,
he's owning that word. And Antona got Larry a gift
of a picture frame. And in the picture frame, when
you buy a picture frame.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Frequently, Karen Knightley, Karen Knightley.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Karen Knightley, thank you, brain dam But frequently when you
buy a picture frame, there is a fake picture in
the picture frame. So he's planning on putting a new picture,
but he hadn't yet, so there's a picture of a
very handsome young man in the picture frame.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Okay, I want to just give a little aside here. Yes,
when I was younger, and this is gonna be a
weird one, I used to collect picture frames and keep
the wrong picture in there, keep the picture that came
with it.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
The original picture.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And I remember an aunt who I They had one
of those cubes, Remember the picture cubes. There's a picture
on everything. Yeah, and you know she was older and
I must have been like ten or eleven, and all
the pictures that were in there, I discussed with her
as if they were family's members. Here's the twins. Here's this,
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here's that. My parents laughed, but they were very angry
at me.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It's borderline means Jeff well, no.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
No, no, it is mean. Yeah, but as a ten year old,
it's jew Nile as opposed to if I did it
now would be terrible. E.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
So then the dental hygienis.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
You ignore me.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You ignore me quite often, but I've never gotten the.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Delilah calls the dental HYGIENI is from the episode before,
and she says, let's get together, and she says, you
gave me the tongue sign in the episode prior, so.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
You were right by the way last when we discussed
that episode. I thought she can't do that, but yes
she did.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And he's like, why do you want to go out
with me? And she's like, she says, he reminds him
of her history teacher or whoever she says, and he says,
in a buncular was your history teacher? Or in avuncular
bold jew? And then Patrick comes in the office because
Larry left his Stephen, Stephen the choreographer.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, excuse me, just before that, I mean the backstory
of it is that he went to a dentist.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
We just discussed that in the episode we talked we
did that episode.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
But I also think that when the choreographer comes in,
I mean, who brings a script across town? I got
the feeling that he was developing a crush on Larry.
Do we do that later, because it certainly felt like that.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
No, No, it's really what it's well, we'll see towards
the end of this what happens.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, I know, I know with the picture, and then
he sees, yeah, the picture serves see all right, here's
but we'll hold on though, hold on though the purpose
he Sometimes people have to come into places where it
might not make sense, like under normal circumstances, if someone
(16:37):
brought a script like that, you might think they have
a crush on them. But I realize now it's because
he looks at the picture.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Correct and thinks that Larry has a boy. Steve Stephen
comes in to give Larry the script that he left
at the rehearsal hall, and and we don't know that
it's Crosstown necessarily, whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
It's next door. It's in the office base.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
And the door yea. And he sees the framed picture
sitting on Larry's desk, with the handsome young man in
the photograph, and we see Stephen looking at it and
noting it, noting that, oh, he's got a picture of
a man on his desk. Hmmm, do do do doo? Okay,
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So next we're in the locker room at the golf
club and he tells you that you're all set up.
He's all set up with Delilah the dental hygienist for
next Thursday.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Did I do this? Is it wrong?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You're never getting another opportunity like this for the rest
of your life. You have to do this. It's a
gift from your wife. She wants you to do it.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
It's my tenth anniversary pressent.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It's your tenth anniversary present. You have to do it.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Oh, I hope I can do it. She's fierce.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Okay, at first I thought it was my imagination. But
you're talking really gay? No, no, no, really fierce. Where
does fears come from? And everything is this?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
And that?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
You know?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Steve's choreographer says it all the.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Time, Steve, You've spent a lot of time with him.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I probably picked up some of his manners some all.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
You're him, you're him, You're Steve the gay choreographer. Okay,
there's nothing really about that in the script. That's the
stuff that I do that makes Larry laugh is when
I question him about anything that he's doing that is
out of the ordinary, or for that matter, sometimes at
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the moment he doesn't think is out of the ordinary,
and then I pull him into reality. And this was
one of the ones where I killed him because I
asked him very specific questions and had very specific opinions
about it. And that's one of my favorite type of
scenes to do with Larry.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
And then Jeff goes into a whole thing. They discuss
Stephen the choreographer, who's fierce, and.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
That was really a terrific scene.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, it was a great scene. And Jeff points out
Larry's locker's open, and his locker is filthy, it's disgusting.
He's just got crap in there and it's a mess.
And then Norm comes in Paul Mazerski and notices. We
see Norm notice the locker and something comes up about
Marty and Norm says, well, tells them that Leo Funkhouser,
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Marty's father died. Hodgkins at Lars I thought he had
the good Hodgkins, like in Party of five, that's brilliant.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well, actually he should have said non Hodgkins, if that's corrected. No,
but he's said Hodgkins. And then Larry says, I thought
he had the good Hodgkins right, But maybe Paul the
way I took it where you can throw it is
that Paul was just in general saying Hodgkins right.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Can I just say something on the Paul? Okay, I will,
but I just want to say I'm sure all of
you have felt this on KURR because at that time
it was a season three or four? What was that
season four?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
It's the season four, the.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Four to four. Yes, that we the ball rolling and
getting unbelievable actors to play this play on curb. Just
it just you know, it just fell into our lapse
in such a great way. And here, I mean I
must say that, you know the Missouri the Scor says,
he thing, you know, directing Scurse of Marty. He hit
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his mark.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You know as a director, Brian, is that intimidating to
be directing other directors?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Well, I gotta tell you something, but let me just
go back to Scor says, because he was nervous and
the reason he was nervous. And he told me, he says,
I have done things as an actor, but as an
improv actor no, And he was sort of you know.
And so when he when when he was he began
working on those seeds with Larry and everyone, he said
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this is this I'm a little and I said, fine, well,
you know everything's going to be good, that kind of thing.
But I was telling him that, you know, it's all
going to be good, wonderful. And as far as what
Jeff was saying about Paul is that there is he
played his character as a stern guy so well. But
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you were saying, Jeff that he was in some ways
he that he hit the mark with that character so
well in it's part of mark.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
But also I'm not going to say he was a
complex man because he was not a complex I mean,
he was so lovely and so funny, hysterical, but he
could be, like Larry, a bit of a curmudget abit
missanthrow and he did not suffer fools. Bob Einstein same
(21:40):
way did not suffer fools. So he went into full
not suffer fools mode. That's where he was. And I
recognized it. Yes, yeah, yes, I mentioned to him in
that last scene after good Hotchkins, Bad Hotchkins, I tell
him I wouldn't go on my high Houchkin's information based
(22:01):
on party of five, correct, which is important to the
next thing.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Right, And then what do you call Sven? What is
that in the golf club? What do you call him?
The starter?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
No?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
He?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
How do I fucking know you? Playing nine?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
All right?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Whatever you bring up? Then we're all ask Jimmy when
we get off. Then we're with the venn who Larry
assumes is Swedish, but he's not. He's Norwegian and he
takes umbrage at that.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Thank you, Sven, welcome?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
All right? What is that? Is that Swedish?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Sven?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
It's Norwegian?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
I'm sorry, I thought I thought then was a Swedish name.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
So I don't look Swedish, do I.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
It's a big difference, apparently, what's the difference mask culture, looks, names, history, food, Okay, okay, sorry.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Honest mistake.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
And you know which, I didn't know that the Scandinavians.
I learned this from alec Burg. I don't know if
it was No. He was not on this season. They
came on season five. Yeah, but but ali Bert Si
who became one of our executive producers and directors and
who also did Silicon Valley and Barry and et cetera,
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et cetera. He told me that because he's Norwegian, I believe,
but that the Scandinavians are very insulted. If you assume
one is Swedish and one is Danish, and they have
like this, the Sweets think the Danes are dirty, or
the Danes think the Norwegians are stupid or what. There's
a lot of competition between.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
The fun of each other.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Absolutely, And next thing we know, Larry comes to rehearsal
in a suit because he has to go to the funeral,
Leo Funkous's funeral, and he tells David Swimmer that he
was in a grocery store and he saw his dad's
glow whatever that's called. What is it called again, health
glow nuts health, and that the cashow to Raisin. He's
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skimping on the cashews, he tells David Swimmer.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I mean they're very.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Good, the delicious, but you know, would killed him to
put three more cash in there?
Speaker 8 (24:03):
It is, I mean the cashews are expensive. First of all,
there's a you know, there's a shortage right now. Yes,
it's for the last several actually the last several years.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
I've read about a cash show.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
Well, that's because you're not in the industry.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Can I give him a little piece of advice, please?
I would call it raisins and then let people be
surprised by the Cashews.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
And David gets a little upset about this, there's a
Cashew shortage.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well, by the way, you know, it's obvious that he's
lying about the Cashew shortage.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, And Larry says they should call it
raisins and then be surprised by a couple of cashs.
He always has good ideas. Larry always has good ideas,
he really does. And he says, give me three more cashews,
I'd be a happy man.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Next we're at the funeral and Larry tells Jeff that
he got a letter from the club that he's being
put on probation for having a dirty locker and it
was norm who told on him, who snitched on him,
little tattletale. And during the whole thing, Larry is eating
his from his health glow bag and complaining not enough cashews.
Jeff says, it's not enough cashews. It's a whole problem.
(25:17):
And then he confronts Norm and he tells them about
the letter, and Norm says they don't like dirty lockers
and they have a staredown. Norman Lowry, Oh, here's one I.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Want to say about the stare down because I don't
want to gloss over this. There was that episode with
a lot of staredowns that we had talked about this. Yeah,
but there's two big things besides Larry David's you know,
great writing. The two things about it are number one,
the characters actually laugh at each other, which you don't
(25:47):
see that on shows. You know, It's like someone will
say something funny, audiences laugh, but none of the other
actors react. That's your typical comedy and that's not on
the show. And also, unlike other shows, I was on
the show where it was always faster, faster, faster, and
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I couldn't actually act because it was like a machine
gun thing. And we really take our time. That stare
is just taking its time. Everything has its you know,
space to live. And that's what I when I that
occurred to me as I'm watching that scene the Great Do.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
You remember the first first staredown was the first.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Stair down, Susie, you corrected me. I thought it was
in that episode.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
You know, I don't remember now, but we discussed it
when it happened that it was the first stair down.
It was in prior seasons. It was not in this season.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yes, and I and I must must admit I when
I saw the first staredown, I wondered, it's just going
to work, and I wait.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
On the set. Here's the thing. I'm never quite enjoyed
the staredown on the set.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Right, And then when it went on the air, people
started to me doing the stairdown and.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
We caught on like wildfires.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
And they caught on and it was like, yeah, and
I think it was mentioned on a television show. I
mean it was like a late night show. They started doing.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Like this, and it being you became a thing.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, And I never thought when I was watching it.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
On and pretty pretty pretty yeah. Yeah, we'll be right back,
stay tuned. Okay, we're back. So then there's an open coffin,
which I found very odd at a Jewish funeral.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well hold on, hold on, you're going past him going
down the line, which is terribly awkward of the Funkhauser family.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Well, yeah, but no, no, I'm not. That's I have
that next. Okay, I have that next. But first they
show the open coffin.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Which, by the way, is not a Jewish thing.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
No, that's what I just said. I have never seen
that at a Jewish have either of you?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You've never been to a funeral with an open cast?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
No, neither.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Just and I know we're into specifics here on the show,
but that you let go.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Story purpose.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
By the way, story thing has to serve the story,
that's all. At Second City, a second City they taught
us serve the scene, yes, don't say anything that's not
serving the scene.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yes. And can I just say, in the evolution of
this show, yamaka's start to go away in various episodes.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Really yes, Well, by the way, there's a key yamica episode,
Palistinian Chicken exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well, we had the yamaka in a couple of episodes
ago with Boris, the Russian guy who Larry accused him
of wearing the yamula to cover his bald spot, right,
which was not true. And then he goes through the
you know, the receiving line and we see Saul funk
Kowser and Marty and Marty's wife, which over the years
(29:16):
we were never sure if her name was Nan or Anne,
and I think we changed it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
No, no, No, in real life it was the character
was Nan.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
But frequently we'd call her Anne. We would mess it
up all the time, Anne Ryerson, Second City.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I actually think she was in the committee, the.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I don't know, the San Francisco one. No, I don't
think she was. No, I don't. I don't think, Brian,
I'm not going to say I know. I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I thought she was. Maybe she's not.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
What was Tell me what was the committee? I don't
even know.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
It was a group out of San Francisco. Oh, no,
she was in the committee. I'm thinking of the one
out of San Francisco, you know, the committee she was
part of.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Wonderful, I think so.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But what was the one in San Francisco with Fred Willard?
Which one was that? You know, I'm talking about Fred
Willard and the group of it was like.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Four guys trucking company.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
No, it wasn't. There was a lot of groups in
the seventies who had record contracts and I had them all,
you know. But yeah, the committee, she might have been
part of the committee.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I'm hessman Hessman was his name, Howard Hessman. Howard Hessman,
I remember because Esmond Hessman. That's how I always remembered it.
I think about Anne Ryerson, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
That's how I remember George Carland's name, of course, Garland carl. Yeah,
that's how I think. I never could remember that fella's name.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
But Richard Richard Lewis always calls Jeff Jeff. Garland always
refersd TOI as Jeff Garland.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I don't know if you know he's doing that to
mock me, well, because he does know my name.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So the thing about Anne was we never gave her
a lot to do. She was always just I think.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Towards the end she didn't really want to show up.
Because when you work with Bob, it's about Bob, which
I loved.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
And I will say this, Bob wasn't always gracious to her.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I don't think he was ever creationous.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
No, he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
That's part of Bob's magic, and I'm not saying that sarcastic.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Speaking of Bob. So Larry then is on the receiving
line and Larry asks Marty for the weatherman's tip.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
Very sorry, sorry that, good dad. Thanks Lorry, that's a
good man. He was a great man. They've looked like golf.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Sometime when you're feel better, feel up to it. I
don't want to give me that weather Man's tip.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Right now I'm in mourning. No, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
What's some other time we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Do it.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Before that. It's the first real I mean, it's one
of those moments that the minute it comes out of
Bob's mouth, that's funny, and it's so simple. Larry looks
at him and goes, he was a good man, and Bob,
with not even taking a beat, he was a great man.
And it's just so funny. You wouldn't think an exchange
(32:18):
like that would be funny. And the way he says
great man, and the look on his face tremendous. And
by the way, if you think Larry, you know the
way he laughed where he like explodes and tries not
to laugh. The minute Bob said great man, Larry lost it.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And then Larry sees Jeff Rosenthal, who was a writer
on Party of Five, and here's his chance.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Well, by the way, Jeff Rosenthal in real life was
actually a writer and it performed.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
No, he never worked on part okay, and this is
where he gets to go ask about the Hotchkins and
he's like, remember when Charlie had Hotchkins, didn't he have
the good Hotchkins? And then he's explained, is Hotchkins is
non Hodgkins love foma. It's better, but it's not good.
And I think this is all very confusing. And then
Larry goes over to the coffin and what does he see?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Hold on? Just to clarify something, because it's really clarified
in this scene. Hodgkins is if there is, it's the
better Hodgkins because there's a higher survival rate. Correct, non Hodgkins.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Non Hodgkins lymphoma.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
pH lymphoma is a big ball of fuck bad.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, but the good Hotchkins isn't so good either.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
No, no, no, it's better Hodgkins. That's what he's saying, is better.
And by the way, when Larry comes to the coffin
and tells me about it, I also say not good
better like that, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, yeah. And then Larry looks at the coffin and
he sees Leo Funkhouser is holding a golf club. It's
a five wood, and Larry notices.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
By the way, Brian, the way you shot that up
at Larry's face looking was great because as an audience,
the way he's look looking, in the way the shots
set up, you have no fucking clue what's about to happen.
You don't have any clue. No, And that was a
great shot.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And we see that it's Larry's five wood in the
coffin that he's holding and he's going to be buried
with it, and Larry makes the assumption that's been put
Larry's club in there because he was pissed off that
he calls VNN Swedish, not Norwegian. So to get back
at him, he took his five wood and he put
it in the coffin, and Larry's apoplectic about it. It's
(34:30):
not replaceable, it's ten years old. He wants that five
wood back, and it's kind of unconscionable that he should
be buried with Larry's five wood. It's not right.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Who gives a shit? Leave well enough alone. You lose
the guy died, you lose the five wood.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Well not according to mister David.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
No, but that's what the show need exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Then he asks you, he asked Jeff, you got your
clubs in your car, in your trunk, And Jeff's like, yeah,
but I'm not giving him. I like the feel, you
like the feel, but yours can be replaced. You can
get your club any where. And Larry says, I'll buy
it for you today, and then they're at the car.
They're getting Jeff's club. Then they go back to the
funeral and Jeff stands watch.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I was just eight.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah. Yeah. One of my favorite visual scenes is Jeff
and Larry walking back in with Larry with his stiff
leg with the with the club.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
But he's got the club down his leg, down his.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Leg well, by the way, the tone starts at the trunk, Yes,
at the trunk, we're looking very serious. I even put
my arm up to block anyone seeing the club. And
then you continue with the limp in There was the
second limp I think the episode before this, he's limping
and the weatherman he's limping, yes, because he fell on
(35:48):
the toilet.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
And then even when you go into by the coffin,
when you are guarding the coffin, Jeff in a way
that you know this is real, this is serious. You
turn your back to the camera. It's like you're you're
you're maintaining you know, you're you're like Mossau.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
He's on the lookout. Yeah, he's on the lookout.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
And Larry fighting with his hands.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, really well, he said, riga mortis already he's trying
to pry the golf club out of Leo's hands.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
His hands are so tight.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, and he finally gets it and he replaces the
golf club, Jeff's golf club into Leo's hand and takes
his own and puts it back down his leg. And
then we cut to Saul Is giving a eulogy for
his uncle Leo. And I love this eulogy.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
He he loved a good walk. He like you see
this man as as dull as could be. You know,
he liked Jeopardy. He liked ginger Ale. If anybody says
in theology.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
She likes Saul, I got to give him credit. He
had the greatest the part of that, the couplet, that's
beautiful me. I wrote it down. He loved ginger Ale.
A nice with the fizz, yes, A nice with the fizz.
Well that's very Jerry Lewis, you know, A nice with
(37:05):
the fizz, because Jerry used to leave words out, but
you knew what he was saying. But when he said
a nice with the fizz, I love that.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
He loved a nap, He loved Jeopardy, I mean the
most simplistic things.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
But what was it he did every Tuesday? I forgot
that's really good.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, oh yeah, I forgot that.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
There was one moment when Larry was sitting there with Jeff,
is that the guy had dandruff in front of him?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yes, oh got cut right, I remember that.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And that was just the one little moment, and you
guys your faces were like, oh my god, this is horrible.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Well, of course didn't serve the show. No, see it later, alligator,
you know, right?
Speaker 1 (37:43):
And then wait, who goes over to the casket? Is
it Marty or is it Soul? Over to the casket
and he says, is this is five wood? Somebody switched
the five wood? And Marty picks up a cashew, and
from the back of the room in the audience, Norm
gets up and says, is that a cashew? Because he
(38:04):
saw Larry eating.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Susie.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You just played Larry Susie.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
You played it like yourself. The way Paul plays it
is like, excuse me, is that a cashu and then
it starts, but he does it in an inquisitive way.
No one would have any idea why he's asking that.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Right, and everyone stares at Larry and then we cut
to our house. One of my favorite scenes.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Well, let's take a step back here. What was the
episode that we just had or it's the one before
where Larry can't stand up because of his back.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yes, that was.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
And remember I was talking about how it bothered me
even when we were filming it that all the people
from the far side of the room to the next
table began yelling at him and caused chaos, and how
it made me nuts. What's beautiful about this scene the
way Brian directed it. Everyone just gives them a dirty look,
(39:06):
which is the way it would be played dirty looks,
and you're feeling Larry's the pressure and if there's ever
any excitement, it's in the look on Larry's face of
everyone staring at him. That's the action of the scene.
All the staring sets up Larry to be Oh, I'm
really fucked and I'm horrified a little lesson.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
This is one of my favorite scenes period me too, uh,
And I will always say it only because Jeff and
Larry are backed up in their chair, in their seat
is with such they the strength of Susie is really
it's so fucking powerful. It's I mean, they can they're
(39:52):
trolling in their seats.
Speaker 9 (39:54):
The truth of the matter is Cheryl cares about that club.
I care about that club. Sammy goes to. They can't
there with the same kids she's been with for years.
And you two don't give a shit about anybody but yourself.
You're a fucking narcissist.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Okay, you are powerful, thank you, and you've been called
on the car.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I'm pissed off. I'm pissed off, and they're all sitting
and I'm standing, which you know.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah, by the way. The problem also is she's completely right.
There's nothing in this that she's wrong.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
She's right, well, yes, absolutely as usual, and you know
the club had your name on it, and what kind
of fucking idiot are you? And where's Cheryl gonna play tennis?
And then Larry comes up she's not that Because I
start carrying on what a great tennis player Cheryl is.
Larry's like, she's not that good, and I'm just like,
it's all a big fucking game to you. Too, and
(40:42):
Larry starts carrying on the five what was irreplaceable? He
starts to justify, and then Cheryl comes up with, well,
the Beverly Park Country Club is accepting new members, and
I'm like, no, there's like three fucking Jews in that
whole place. It's not gonna work. And it's wasp city.
And Larry's like, how am I even going to pass
the interview, to which I said, in exactly this jew
(41:03):
face over here, which is a line that Jeff, you'll
appreciate this. That's what I used to call Carrie Hoffman.
That's where, Yes, Carrie Hoffman owned stand up New York
and New York. Yes, And I used to call him
jew face because he had the I'm there and I
stole from myself in this scene, as we all steal
(41:24):
from ourselves all the time. We'll be right back, stay tuned,
and we're back. This jew face would stick out like
a sore thumb. And then he starts fighting with me,
(41:47):
I'm more gentilely than you, and I love that that
whole take, and then Larry mentions that he'd have to
walk at this golf course unless he had a doctor's note,
and to which I go into wouldn't hurt you to
exercise a little bit, Jeff? And then Larry gets up.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
By the way, a line Larry says in this scene
is I don't know any doctors.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
I don't know any doctors. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Any doctors, which is so absurd.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
That's right, because all he does is go to doctors.
We have scenes in doctor's offices all the time, and dentists.
And then Larry gets up to go to the bathroom
and Oscar is lying on the floor in the bathroom
and he won't get up. Larry asks him to get up,
he won't get up, and then what happens.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Oscar bites his wiener.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Oscar And then there's actually there's a callback whether should
I sit down or should I?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yes, in past episodes previous episode he is peeing sitting down, he.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Covers himself so wonderfully.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yes, you know, yeah, he's always got the whole you know, the.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Art, whole thing on.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yes, he comes running out of the bathroom with his
skinny little legs and his pants around his ankles, hold crossed.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Hold on there they're tidy Whiteyes, which is what makes
it even more funny.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I always kid him about that he's ahead of his
time in terms of showing tidy weddies on screen. Absolutely, yeah,
I mean you know it's.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Like, yeah, Brian Cranston did it on Malcolm in the Middle.
Malcolm in the Middle, he wore his tidy whites on there,
and of course he wore him on Breaking Bad.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Well, that's specific.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
And then I wore them on TV not too much later,
and I remember calling Brian Gordon and I said, can
I recover from this?
Speaker 1 (43:33):
And as you did the Brian Cranston episode in season nine,
if I recall.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yes, but yes, yes, but you were you did one
with your whities on in the bed. I remember that, Jeff,
what episode was that?
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I don't know what was I doing in bed?
Speaker 1 (43:52):
We'll come to it, yes, see when we get.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
There, you remember, yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
And then we're in the er waiting room and you know,
Larry's carrying on that dog should be put to sleep,
and Jeff says, it's not the first time with you
and that dog, because prior I thought the dog had
given Larry an erection. Jeff even says he put the
dog it got in an erection. He tells Cheryl and
Susie saw it and He's like, I was pettying the
dog and I was just adjusting my pants. And Cheryl says,
(44:18):
is that why Ted didn't want you to take care
of his dog? This is all from the prior episode.
And then the doctor comes in clearly, Gay, I know.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
That I forgot the name of the actor, which.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Also William Ragsdale.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
William Ragsdale who was on a TV show called The Head,
Herman's Head, but he was in a movie that holds
up and is great called Fright Night. Fright Night is
just the greatest, and so if you can pick that up.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
On a network scary, A lot of it.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Is scary, but it's a comedy.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
I can't watch it now.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
You could it, Believe me, you could watch it about
a vampire who moves next door and has eyes for
William Ragsdale's mother.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Let's leave it at that, okay. So then Larry is
in the examination room with the doctor and he tells
the doctor very reluctantly, a dog.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
A dog, but.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
My penis a dog picture penis okay, Well that sounds painful. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Then we find out that Larry David is Larry David
and the doctor is Steve the choreographer's best friend.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
I love the shot in that where Larry is absorbing
in realizing the story. Yes, he's realized. The doctor is Evan, Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
And the guy just broke up with his partner exactly.
And we get the sense that Stephen told Evan about
Larry and the framed picture on his desk, because we
see that Evan might be a little interested in more
than just the penis bite. And Evan says to him,
all right, give me, mister baggy, which is like whatever.
(46:11):
So now we are at one of my favorite scenes
of all time, and this is Larry and Cheryl's interview
at Beverly Park with Ken Howard and James Sicking.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
And let let me tell you a story about Ken Howard. Yes,
he and I were i'll say acquaintances. We became friends.
He was the president of the Screen Actors Guilt correctly,
and they wanted to make it sag after after was
against it. Some people and SAG were against it. But
the only way that the actors of which I was one,
(46:42):
could deal with the studios was at one unified unit.
Because if you remember, if it shot on video, it's
after shot on film, it's SAG. But as everything became
digital for the most part, they had to do it.
So he said to me out of nowhere, one day
he called me a thing. He said, look, I need
a favor and I said what. He goes, I need
(47:06):
this sag Affra thing to pass. I assume you're for it.
You have the merge. I said, I'm absolutely for it.
It has to He goes, will you run for the
national board for sag And when I won, he pulls
me aside and he says, it's not just helping to
get this passed. I want you to be funny and
(47:27):
say whatever's on your mind. At any point, go up
and ask, because there's a microphone up front, ask absurd questions.
Your job is to lighten the room because the room
gets really heavy. Now in the room, there was a
group of people who were very much against the merger,
and every time I did anything that was funny, the
(47:49):
anger on their face was almost like from a movie
of like the straight laced guy getting pissed off the
head of the university or whatever it was. And I
had a doing that. And by the way, from that,
that's where ken did you do the show before or after?
Never mind? I don't know what I'm talking about. But anyhow,
and by the way, one of my favorite shows when
(48:11):
I was in high school was The White Shadow.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Great Show and Thomas Jefferson in seventeen seventy six.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yes, but that's more your speed. Yes, because it's a musical.
I like the one about basketball.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
And you know who played his wife was blythe Danner. Oh,
blythe Danner seventeen seventy six. Jeff already talked about his
relationship with Ken Howard and it's Larry pretending to be
a wasp basically, which is hilarious.
Speaker 6 (48:36):
Could I ask you a few more questions about organizations
that you belong to?
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Please?
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Absolutely, goll I'm a moose, uh.
Speaker 6 (48:45):
An a Elk, You're a moose and Elk, I'm a
moose elk extraordinary.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
I'm in the Rotary Club. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Why what other organizations are your members?
Speaker 6 (48:58):
We're in the Council for Conservative Citizens, National Rights to
Life Committee, or in the Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
What do you remember about this shooting this scene, Brian.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
I remember laughing, but I also remember, uh the how
sharp it was, just in terms of the specifics of
Larry uh not only sailing and needing a captain occasionally
a board, but also he was a member of the
(49:28):
Rotary and he was a member of various conservative.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
Hold one of those the references were so republican and
just openly republican.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Com he said, hold on republic very not not jewish
as not jewish as can be. And I love But
here's the thing. I don't think he improvised those. I
think he thought about them ahead of time and very prepared.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
We put a list together of conservative groups that I.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Do remember, and that he and Cheryl met at a
Reagan fundraiser, and that Larry Polo is more of.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
His game and he developed his golf swing exactly getting
hit in the head with.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
A And I love how Jim sicking is like, well, yes,
it is quite a similar kind of a swing. And
they all just played so beautifully.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Oh well, and Cheryl saying they were more of a September, December,
December and October October. That was that was yes.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
I mean, there's there's so much gold in this scene,
just little things like when Larry takes his glasses off
and and he puts the tip in his mouth. Yes,
and he's you know, thinking. There was just so many
little subtle things about this scene. Do you remember how
many times how many takes you did on this scene?
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Not that many. I don't think we did that many,
only because I think we were. It was so sharp,
and maybe two or three at the top the top,
you know, just going through it, because I remember everybody
feeling so good about this. It really ran so well,
but the questioning of each one was so so dead
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on how the two of.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
You meet was I mean, and Larry saying, you know,
I think I noticed a log cabin Republican in the
parking lot. You know, just there's so many This scene
is hilarious and the elk moose. What's funnier than I'm
an elk and a moose and a moose. Yeah, And
then in the very end, it's all going very well
(51:40):
and you feel like they're going to be accepted, and
Larry brings up it gives them his doctor's note because
because of the polo accident that he was in he
could no longer walk the course. He needs a cart.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
But therein lies the beauty of curb, which is called
back that was set up so early, and it it
was used and it was just it was perfect.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
There's very few things that are that are left hanging.
There's very few things that are not used. And then,
of course the denu ma of the episode is Larry
is in his office where he calls Delilah, the dental
hygienis who is supposed to have an assignation.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
With Hey, Delilah's Larry David. Hi, Larry, I'm sorry, but
I'm noting able to Mega tonight.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Why not a dog bit my penis? The end hangs
up very fun, by the way, because I'm always very
self conscious. I cannot. I mean, I'm yawning a lot.
And then I got very excited because I thought you
didn't have coffee this morning? He didn't sleep, all right,
I got that out.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Well, thank you Jeff for sharing. Brian. Any last words
about directing this episode.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Eighteen years ago. It was on eighteen years ago, and
it's as fresh as.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Today, by the way, for me too. I remember locations,
I remember where I was standing, like every that comes
flying back.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Yeah, And that is because I can remember other shows
I have done that I have no memory.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Of, you know, ild on hold on the Michael Richards
show that we did together. The only thing I remember
from that show what the sideburns Ryan.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
I do believe also that this is the first time
you directed me, not the lasting.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
If I may just ask you in terms of your
own wardrobe and what you go through to put it.
You know, at that point in time, where were you
in terms of you of your own design of how
you're going to dress?
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I think I was fully Susie Green, but as the
seasons progressed got more so.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
She What we discussed is this is stuff that she's making.
Because in the last episode, I believe you wore one
of your bedazz old sweatshirts. Oh no, yeah, yes, because
it was I forgot Buffalo, but it was a team
that made no sense for you to wear no affiliation.
But it's it's popping in at this point, Ryan, it's
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popping in and it'll soon be taken over.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
It'll win. H wait till people see the season twelve,
unless they've seen it already by the time this years, Oh.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
My es twelve is a big ball of wow. Basically
it was it was wow. That's all I can say.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
You're you blessed through it in a way that you know,
it just gives it such.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Thank you love. The wardrobe was actually my idea. I mean,
I worked in conjunction with our designers, but the way
she dressed was my idea.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Well, oh my god, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
Yeah, thank you for coming right, you'll come back in
a later season.
Speaker 5 (54:49):
Thank you, and thank you so very much, and we'll
see you all next week.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Bye, Jeffy Bye. The History of Curb Your Enthusiasm is
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episode description. Okay, so we're here. This is season four,
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Episode five. The five would a classic. I'm Susie Esman,
I'm Jeff Garland and our special guest today.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Brighten, whatever you're doing just made a lot of noise.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Our special guest today is making noise. Is Brian Gordon,
who directed this episode.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Does anybody still use a pen?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I do?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I do? Yeah, we all use pete.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
By the way, whenever I write, I write long hand
and then I have my assistant. I'm an assistant. Yes,
hype it up for me. That's how I do it.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Good and Brian, this is season four. So this is
the fourth episode you directed, because you directed one per season.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
The first one was Affirmative Action, the second was The Acupuncturist,
and season three was the Classic Special Section, which for
which you won a DGA Award. Hey, Brian, and nominated
for an Emmy. If I'm correct, Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Brian am.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I was talking about in that episode how sad I
was that two things. One is that we lost the
scene of Larry and I sitting and talking outside the
graveyard with Richard and Shelley coming up and Richard wanted
to test out the drive. I was so sad to
(01:41):
lose that. That's one of my favorite scenes ever in
the history of the show. It was a tough one.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Do you have a series of episodes that you could
put together of scenes that didn't make the cut.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
If Megan Murphy was still working for the show, he
could have done that.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
But he was our post coordinator, post production coordinating.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And so she knows, she knows where the dead bodies
are if he was, And that's I was also sad
because we lost great stuff that because of time we
had to make the grave digging a montage that killed.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Oh my god, that killed me because we spent all
night digging that damn grave. I know that, Yes, I know,
And so we're up till like three in the morning
digging easy.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
By the way, I actually remember five, sir, five five
in the morning. It was an all nighter in a graveyard.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Oh you know.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
And I'm sorry, I wasn't there, even though it was
till five in the morning. In the graveyard.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
My graveyard shoots are really fun. I'm being totally serious.
They're really fun because they're just so absurd that you're
in a graveyard shooting at night.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, especially that episode you're in a graveyard digging up
his mother's grave because she had a tattoo on a rass.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I mean she was put in the special section, this
special section.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I did a number of graveyard episodes.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Are you did the other ones too?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Well?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
We were always it seems we're always at that cemetery.
I believe it was an Alta Dina, Yeah, that same cemetery.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But this one, I think we switched off. We did
the memorial in another the Hollywood behind.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
The part where he's talking to the guy exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
There's a lot of funerals in this show. A lot
of funerals and a lot of golf. This episode has
one of my favorite scenes that I've ever done of
all time. But we're going to start at the beginning.
This is a classic, it really.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It is considered one of the classic Curb episodes.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah by far, grateful, Yeah, grateful.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You know you've directed several class I mean the Black
Swan you directed. Also, didn't you write.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Another another memorial that's Paul Mazerski died in that episode.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, Paul Mazerski with the sign and yeah that was
And by the way, that's the famous with mister Takahashi
and it was the first big one.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah. I love that scene where he just says, you
have big mouthed wife. Okay, So we start the episode, Brian,
what are you doing noise every time?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Oh my god, I'm just I'm moving furniture. I mean,
what's the problem.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You have no idea?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Okay, okay, right, So you know we were discussing the
last week or the week before, Jeff about how sometimes
the sound gets all fucked up and we have to
redo it because of the sound Exhibit A. Brian Gordon's
fucking up the sound.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
But thank god, we're not going to have to redo this.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
No, we're not. So we start out with we see
Larry David and David Shwimmer now is playing the part
of Leo, and we see them rehearsing in their black
hats and they're dancing and Patrick the what was his
name as the choreographer was Steven. I believe Patrick is
the actor's name. Steven is the choreactor. He said to Larry, Larry,
you've been doing your homework.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I am all astonish man.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It is fantastic, fierce, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Yes, yes, it was really fairs, really fierce.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You are fierce doing your homework. You are so fierce.
And David Swimmers like, what about me and the pod deray?
I have no idea what a pod deray is? Whatsoever?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Jeff would know, right, Jeff with if.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Anyone would know, if anyone would know, it's Susie because
she's a big Broadway person and her sister is a producer.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I was with a very famous ballet dancer yesterday and
I should have asked him, but I will ask him tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
When the pod deray is Yes, Well, the fierce thing
was was really the beginning of and then you know,
we shot this in two thousand and five? Was it?
And Larry taking on a persona of being gay, right,
which was okay? You know, and then you put it
to twenty twelve and you question whether how would he
(06:03):
do it today?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I think he would do it the same.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
But the truth is the reason it works is obviously
it's funny, but he's embracing the culture. Yes, he's embracing
the culture. It's not him commenting or being mean spirited.
But you know what's lost nowadays with people who are
easily offended, who don't have sense of humor nuance, so
(06:28):
they just see black and white and say you can't
do that. It's difficult. Comedy's a little bit more difficult now.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Well. I don't think Larry really cares or listens to
the political correctness. Thus the beauty of this show.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And by the way, that part of the popularity of
the show is all types of people love it for
its lack of political correctness.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So he goes through this whole thing with Schwimmer about
the pod day and Larry system, if you want to
do extra work, and Swimmer says he can't because he's
meeting his father, and we find out that his father
is the creator and maker of health Glow Nuts, and
Larry right away I have ideas about mixed nuts, so
I why not put a pecan with a blueberry or
(07:12):
a dried cherry with a filbert, which later on that
goes to last season's episode about the mini bar, and
you know, all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
He loves, loves bags of nuts, he.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Loves bags of nuts and trail mix, and he wants
to pitch to David Swimmer's dad, and David says, yes,
stay in your own elements. So already we see Larry's
creating problems with Schwimmer as he did with Ben Stiller. Yes,
and Larry and Steven the choreographer go to get a
snack and we see Larry what we were discussing doing
all Stevens extremely gay mannerisms, fierce and the way he's
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using his hands, and it's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
You and David are so good together.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Love him, oh god, love that ch mystery together. It's fierce,
absolutely fierce, totally fierce, so much better than Ben.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Don't you think that was so bosso?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, he had that kind of entitled attitude.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I don't care for it at all, totally.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I know.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Hilarious, It is fucking hilarious.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
One thing that Larry does is great. He says to
the whats then the piano player, too bad, you can't see.
He says to Michael, too bad you can't see. And
that is so wildly inappropriate but hilarious, and it's a
real relationship. See, that's why that one works because it's
a real relationship, and Michael has taken advantage of Larry
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in earlier relationships.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Totally taking advantage of it exactly. I mean almost on
an abusive level. Michael's almost abusive to Leally, I know, yes.
And then Steven the choreographer brings up his friend Anthony,
who's a doctor who's gorgeous and who just broke up
with his boyfriend. So Larry then sees a bag of
the health glow nuts.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, you're passing your passing?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
What what did I passed on?
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Pirate's booty, pirates booty, Pirate's.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Booty, embarrassing his topet. No, I can't have Pirate's booty. No,
but you can have a pair.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
First off, my favorite all time snack and just him
singing a song holding up Pirate's booty. I'm sure I
went up to him after we shot that and went
that stays in. I'm sure because I do that to him.
I always say to him, and I think I've said
on the show before, I will wrestle you if you
don't keep that in the show because it's such a
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thing of beauty and that I love the little moments
that have nothing to do with story. They're completely absurd,
but that's my sense of humor. But still, god, damn,
I love that. Okay, keep going.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I didn't even notice the Pirate's booty.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Well that you're not looking.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You're not looking, and I know that that that that
Larry loved Pirate's booty, and his kids love Pirate's booty.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
By the way, mine too, booty is and we later
on somewhere else's Pirate's booty. Oh, I know what it was.
It was the scene in season eleven where Kelly Cuoco,
however you say her name drops the Pirate's booty, right right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Right right right, by the way, Pirate's booty best snack
for comedy, just say.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well, you know, it's interesting how sharp the humor is
on this show. And everything means something, and I think
the audience got to learn even story when you sort
of you don't say any If you say something, it
has something to do with something.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, you would not. The Pirate's booty did. By the way,
the show works, And now you pay attention to the
first five to seven minutes, everything's laid out for you. Now,
Larry David is brilliant, so he knows how to push
the dominoes to where they end up. And you go, oh,
but everything you need to know is in the first
(11:02):
five to seven minutes. If you want to use kerb
as a mystery.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
That's true. Yeah, very true.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
So Larry sees the health Glow Nuts in the store
and he notices there's only four cashews. The cashew raise
and balance is a skew. And this is a typical
Larry thing to notice and to be upset about. And
next he's in his office, walks in singing, and Antwinette
is like, hey, Broadway, and Larry starts talking about it.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
On hold, on, hold on a couple things. Number one,
what's his name? The choreographer agrees with him, So Larry,
Larry is not proved.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Wrong about the clow nuts. You may yes.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
And then I wrote story though, oh, I have filmed
so many times. In that story, I filmed the movie
called I Want Someone to Eat Cheese With in that store.
I forgot what else I shot got one other thing,
but three things. It's on Callfax and the church across
the street is where you have lunch. I'm just saying
that's the way It works because the church lets cruise
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park there and such. That's how a church makes extra money.
And that little gross re marked was in my movie.
Was in the show and something else I shot there.
I can't remember right now, all right, Brian, I do
fun facts that are fun for me.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Here's another fun fact for me is that David Swimmer
I directed him on The Wonder Years fourteen years before
that where he was It.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Was the boy's friend, wasn't he? He was the boy.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Olivia Olivia Diabo's boyfriend on The Wonder Years at the
Sportsman's Club. How about that one? Yes and.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yes, yes, And I'll give you a fun fact about
David Swimmer. I actually played his mother in a pilot.
I'm not that much older than him, but I played
his mother.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I did that once too. I was in movie with
what the hell's her name? Oh, Christen Christy fuck anyhow,
I played her father the movie before. She played Steve
Carell's girlfriend in the movie and Steve Carell and I
are at the same exact age.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Well, that's like Anne Bankrupt, you know, in the graduate
of Justin Hoffmann. What was she like three years older
than him? Yes, the magic of filmmaking will be right back.
Stay tuned, and we're back. So Larry also mentions to
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Antoinette that David Swimmer is fierce. So he's using that word,
he's owning that word. And Antona got Larry a gift
of a picture frame. And in the picture frame, when
you buy a picture frame.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Frequently, Karen Knightley, Karen Knightley.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Karen Knightley, thank you, brain dam But frequently when you
buy a picture frame, there is a fake picture in
the picture frame. So he's planning on putting a new picture,
but he hadn't yet, so there's a picture of a
very handsome young man in the picture frame.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Okay, I want to just give a little aside here. Yes,
when I was younger, and this is gonna be a
weird one, I used to collect picture frames and keep
the wrong picture in there, keep the picture that came
with it.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
The original picture.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And I remember an aunt who I They had one
of those cubes, Remember the picture cubes. There's a picture
on everything. Yeah, and you know she was older and
I must have been like ten or eleven, and all
the pictures that were in there, I discussed with her
as if they were family's members. Here's the twins. Here's this,
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here's that. My parents laughed, but they were very angry
at me.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It's borderline means Jeff well, no.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
No, no, it is mean. Yeah, but as a ten year old,
it's jew Nile as opposed to if I did it
now would be terrible. E.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
So then the dental hygienis.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
You ignore me.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You ignore me quite often, but I've never gotten the.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Delilah calls the dental HYGIENI is from the episode before,
and she says, let's get together, and she says, you
gave me the tongue sign in the episode prior, so.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
You were right by the way last when we discussed
that episode. I thought she can't do that, but yes
she did.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And he's like, why do you want to go out
with me? And she's like, she says, he reminds him
of her history teacher or whoever she says, and he says,
in a buncular was your history teacher? Or in avuncular
bold jew? And then Patrick comes in the office because
Larry left his Stephen, Stephen the choreographer.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, excuse me, just before that, I mean the backstory
of it is that he went to a dentist.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
We just discussed that in the episode we talked we
did that episode.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
But I also think that when the choreographer comes in,
I mean, who brings a script across town? I got
the feeling that he was developing a crush on Larry.
Do we do that later, because it certainly felt like that.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
No, No, it's really what it's well, we'll see towards
the end of this what happens.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, I know, I know with the picture, and then
he sees, yeah, the picture serves see all right, here's
but we'll hold on though, hold on though the purpose
he Sometimes people have to come into places where it
might not make sense, like under normal circumstances, if someone
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brought a script like that, you might think they have
a crush on them. But I realize now it's because
he looks at the picture.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Correct and thinks that Larry has a boy. Steve Stephen
comes in to give Larry the script that he left
at the rehearsal hall, and and we don't know that
it's Crosstown necessarily, whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
It's next door. It's in the office base.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
And the door yea. And he sees the framed picture
sitting on Larry's desk, with the handsome young man in
the photograph, and we see Stephen looking at it and
noting it, noting that, oh, he's got a picture of
a man on his desk. Hmmm, do do do doo? Okay,
(17:17):
So next we're in the locker room at the golf
club and he tells you that you're all set up.
He's all set up with Delilah the dental hygienist for
next Thursday.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Did I do this? Is it wrong?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You're never getting another opportunity like this for the rest
of your life. You have to do this. It's a
gift from your wife. She wants you to do it.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
It's my tenth anniversary pressent.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It's your tenth anniversary present. You have to do it.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Oh, I hope I can do it. She's fierce.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Okay, at first I thought it was my imagination. But
you're talking really gay? No, no, no, really fierce. Where
does fears come from? And everything is this?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
And that?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
You know?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Steve's choreographer says it all the.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Time, Steve, You've spent a lot of time with him.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I probably picked up some of his manners some all.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
You're him, you're him, You're Steve the gay choreographer. Okay,
there's nothing really about that in the script. That's the
stuff that I do that makes Larry laugh is when
I question him about anything that he's doing that is
out of the ordinary, or for that matter, sometimes at
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the moment he doesn't think is out of the ordinary,
and then I pull him into reality. And this was
one of the ones where I killed him because I
asked him very specific questions and had very specific opinions
about it. And that's one of my favorite type of
scenes to do with Larry.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
And then Jeff goes into a whole thing. They discuss
Stephen the choreographer, who's fierce, and.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
That was really a terrific scene.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, it was a great scene. And Jeff points out
Larry's locker's open, and his locker is filthy, it's disgusting.
He's just got crap in there and it's a mess.
And then Norm comes in Paul Mazerski and notices. We
see Norm notice the locker and something comes up about
Marty and Norm says, well, tells them that Leo Funkhouser,
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Marty's father died. Hodgkins at Lars I thought he had
the good Hodgkins, like in Party of five, that's brilliant.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well, actually he should have said non Hodgkins, if that's corrected. No,
but he's said Hodgkins. And then Larry says, I thought
he had the good Hodgkins right, But maybe Paul the
way I took it where you can throw it is
that Paul was just in general saying Hodgkins right.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Can I just say something on the Paul? Okay, I will,
but I just want to say I'm sure all of
you have felt this on KURR because at that time
it was a season three or four? What was that
season four?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
It's the season four, the.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Four to four. Yes, that we the ball rolling and
getting unbelievable actors to play this play on curb. Just
it just you know, it just fell into our lapse
in such a great way. And here, I mean I
must say that, you know the Missouri the Scor says,
he thing, you know, directing Scurse of Marty. He hit
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his mark.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You know as a director, Brian, is that intimidating to
be directing other directors?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Well, I gotta tell you something, but let me just
go back to Scor says, because he was nervous and
the reason he was nervous. And he told me, he says,
I have done things as an actor, but as an
improv actor no, And he was sort of you know.
And so when he when when he was he began
working on those seeds with Larry and everyone, he said
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this is this I'm a little and I said, fine, well,
you know everything's going to be good, that kind of thing.
But I was telling him that, you know, it's all
going to be good, wonderful. And as far as what
Jeff was saying about Paul is that there is he
played his character as a stern guy so well. But
(21:13):
you were saying, Jeff that he was in some ways
he that he hit the mark with that character so
well in it's part of mark.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
But also I'm not going to say he was a
complex man because he was not a complex I mean,
he was so lovely and so funny, hysterical, but he
could be, like Larry, a bit of a curmudget abit
missanthrow and he did not suffer fools. Bob Einstein same
(21:40):
way did not suffer fools. So he went into full
not suffer fools mode. That's where he was. And I
recognized it. Yes, yeah, yes, I mentioned to him in
that last scene after good Hotchkins, Bad Hotchkins, I tell
him I wouldn't go on my high Houchkin's information based
(22:01):
on party of five, correct, which is important to the
next thing.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Right, And then what do you call Sven? What is
that in the golf club? What do you call him?
The starter?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
No?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
He?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
How do I fucking know you? Playing nine?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
All right?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Whatever you bring up? Then we're all ask Jimmy when
we get off. Then we're with the venn who Larry
assumes is Swedish, but he's not. He's Norwegian and he
takes umbrage at that.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Thank you, Sven, welcome?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
All right? What is that? Is that Swedish?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Sven?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
It's Norwegian?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
I'm sorry, I thought I thought then was a Swedish name.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
So I don't look Swedish, do I.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
It's a big difference, apparently, what's the difference mask culture, looks, names, history, food, Okay, okay, sorry.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Honest mistake.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
And you know which, I didn't know that the Scandinavians.
I learned this from alec Burg. I don't know if
it was No. He was not on this season. They
came on season five. Yeah, but but ali Bert Si
who became one of our executive producers and directors and
who also did Silicon Valley and Barry and et cetera,
(23:15):
et cetera. He told me that because he's Norwegian, I believe,
but that the Scandinavians are very insulted. If you assume
one is Swedish and one is Danish, and they have
like this, the Sweets think the Danes are dirty, or
the Danes think the Norwegians are stupid or what. There's
a lot of competition between.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
The fun of each other.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Absolutely, And next thing we know, Larry comes to rehearsal
in a suit because he has to go to the funeral,
Leo Funkous's funeral, and he tells David Swimmer that he
was in a grocery store and he saw his dad's
glow whatever that's called. What is it called again, health
glow nuts health, and that the cashow to Raisin. He's
(23:55):
skimping on the cashews, he tells David Swimmer.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I mean they're very.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Good, the delicious, but you know, would killed him to
put three more cash in there?
Speaker 8 (24:03):
It is, I mean the cashews are expensive. First of all,
there's a you know, there's a shortage right now. Yes,
it's for the last several actually the last several years.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
I've read about a cash show.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
Well, that's because you're not in the industry.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Can I give him a little piece of advice, please?
I would call it raisins and then let people be
surprised by the Cashews.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
And David gets a little upset about this, there's a
Cashew shortage.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well, by the way, you know, it's obvious that he's
lying about the Cashew shortage.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, And Larry says they should call it
raisins and then be surprised by a couple of cashs.
He always has good ideas. Larry always has good ideas,
he really does. And he says, give me three more cashews,
I'd be a happy man.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Next we're at the funeral and Larry tells Jeff that
he got a letter from the club that he's being
put on probation for having a dirty locker and it
was norm who told on him, who snitched on him,
little tattletale. And during the whole thing, Larry is eating
his from his health glow bag and complaining not enough cashews.
Jeff says, it's not enough cashews. It's a whole problem.
(25:17):
And then he confronts Norm and he tells them about
the letter, and Norm says they don't like dirty lockers
and they have a staredown. Norman Lowry, Oh, here's one I.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Want to say about the stare down because I don't
want to gloss over this. There was that episode with
a lot of staredowns that we had talked about this. Yeah,
but there's two big things besides Larry David's you know,
great writing. The two things about it are number one,
the characters actually laugh at each other, which you don't
(25:47):
see that on shows. You know, It's like someone will
say something funny, audiences laugh, but none of the other
actors react. That's your typical comedy and that's not on
the show. And also, unlike other shows, I was on
the show where it was always faster, faster, faster, and
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I couldn't actually act because it was like a machine
gun thing. And we really take our time. That stare
is just taking its time. Everything has its you know,
space to live. And that's what I when I that
occurred to me as I'm watching that scene the Great Do.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
You remember the first first staredown was the first.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Stair down, Susie, you corrected me. I thought it was
in that episode.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
You know, I don't remember now, but we discussed it
when it happened that it was the first stair down.
It was in prior seasons. It was not in this season.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yes, and I and I must must admit I when
I saw the first staredown, I wondered, it's just going
to work, and I wait.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
On the set. Here's the thing. I'm never quite enjoyed
the staredown on the set.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Right, And then when it went on the air, people
started to me doing the stairdown and.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
We caught on like wildfires.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
And they caught on and it was like, yeah, and
I think it was mentioned on a television show. I
mean it was like a late night show. They started doing.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Like this, and it being you became a thing.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, And I never thought when I was watching it.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
On and pretty pretty pretty yeah. Yeah, we'll be right back,
stay tuned. Okay, we're back. So then there's an open coffin,
which I found very odd at a Jewish funeral.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well hold on, hold on, you're going past him going
down the line, which is terribly awkward of the Funkhauser family.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Well, yeah, but no, no, I'm not. That's I have
that next. Okay, I have that next. But first they
show the open coffin.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Which, by the way, is not a Jewish thing.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
No, that's what I just said. I have never seen
that at a Jewish have either of you?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You've never been to a funeral with an open cast?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
No, neither.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Just and I know we're into specifics here on the show,
but that you let go.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Story purpose.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
By the way, story thing has to serve the story,
that's all. At Second City, a second City they taught
us serve the scene, yes, don't say anything that's not
serving the scene.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yes. And can I just say, in the evolution of
this show, yamaka's start to go away in various episodes.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Really yes, Well, by the way, there's a key yamica episode,
Palistinian Chicken exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well, we had the yamaka in a couple of episodes
ago with Boris, the Russian guy who Larry accused him
of wearing the yamula to cover his bald spot, right,
which was not true. And then he goes through the
you know, the receiving line and we see Saul funk
Kowser and Marty and Marty's wife, which over the years
(29:16):
we were never sure if her name was Nan or Anne,
and I think we changed it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
No, no, No, in real life it was the character
was Nan.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
But frequently we'd call her Anne. We would mess it
up all the time, Anne Ryerson, Second City.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I actually think she was in the committee, the.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I don't know, the San Francisco one. No, I don't
think she was. No, I don't. I don't think, Brian,
I'm not going to say I know. I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I thought she was. Maybe she's not.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
What was Tell me what was the committee? I don't
even know.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
It was a group out of San Francisco. Oh, no,
she was in the committee. I'm thinking of the one
out of San Francisco, you know, the committee she was
part of.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Wonderful, I think so.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But what was the one in San Francisco with Fred Willard?
Which one was that? You know, I'm talking about Fred
Willard and the group of it was like.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Four guys trucking company.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
No, it wasn't. There was a lot of groups in
the seventies who had record contracts and I had them all,
you know. But yeah, the committee, she might have been
part of the committee.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I'm hessman Hessman was his name, Howard Hessman. Howard Hessman,
I remember because Esmond Hessman. That's how I always remembered it.
I think about Anne Ryerson, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
That's how I remember George Carland's name, of course, Garland carl. Yeah,
that's how I think. I never could remember that fella's name.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
But Richard Richard Lewis always calls Jeff Jeff. Garland always
refersd TOI as Jeff Garland.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I don't know if you know he's doing that to
mock me, well, because he does know my name.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So the thing about Anne was we never gave her
a lot to do. She was always just I think.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Towards the end she didn't really want to show up.
Because when you work with Bob, it's about Bob, which
I loved.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
And I will say this, Bob wasn't always gracious to her.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I don't think he was ever creationous.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
No, he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
That's part of Bob's magic, and I'm not saying that sarcastic.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Speaking of Bob. So Larry then is on the receiving
line and Larry asks Marty for the weatherman's tip.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
Very sorry, sorry that, good dad. Thanks Lorry, that's a
good man. He was a great man. They've looked like golf.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Sometime when you're feel better, feel up to it. I
don't want to give me that weather Man's tip.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Right now I'm in mourning. No, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
What's some other time we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Do it.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Before that. It's the first real I mean, it's one
of those moments that the minute it comes out of
Bob's mouth, that's funny, and it's so simple. Larry looks
at him and goes, he was a good man, and Bob,
with not even taking a beat, he was a great man.
And it's just so funny. You wouldn't think an exchange
(32:18):
like that would be funny. And the way he says
great man, and the look on his face tremendous. And
by the way, if you think Larry, you know the
way he laughed where he like explodes and tries not
to laugh. The minute Bob said great man, Larry lost it.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And then Larry sees Jeff Rosenthal, who was a writer
on Party of Five, and here's his chance.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Well, by the way, Jeff Rosenthal in real life was
actually a writer and it performed.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
No, he never worked on part okay, and this is
where he gets to go ask about the Hotchkins and
he's like, remember when Charlie had Hotchkins, didn't he have
the good Hotchkins? And then he's explained, is Hotchkins is
non Hodgkins love foma. It's better, but it's not good.
And I think this is all very confusing. And then
Larry goes over to the coffin and what does he see?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Hold on? Just to clarify something, because it's really clarified
in this scene. Hodgkins is if there is, it's the
better Hodgkins because there's a higher survival rate. Correct, non Hodgkins.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Non Hodgkins lymphoma.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
pH lymphoma is a big ball of fuck bad.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, but the good Hotchkins isn't so good either.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
No, no, no, it's better Hodgkins. That's what he's saying, is better.
And by the way, when Larry comes to the coffin
and tells me about it, I also say not good
better like that, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, yeah. And then Larry looks at the coffin and
he sees Leo Funkhouser is holding a golf club. It's
a five wood, and Larry notices.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
By the way, Brian, the way you shot that up
at Larry's face looking was great because as an audience,
the way he's look looking, in the way the shots
set up, you have no fucking clue what's about to happen.
You don't have any clue. No, And that was a
great shot.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And we see that it's Larry's five wood in the
coffin that he's holding and he's going to be buried
with it, and Larry makes the assumption that's been put
Larry's club in there because he was pissed off that
he calls VNN Swedish, not Norwegian. So to get back
at him, he took his five wood and he put
it in the coffin, and Larry's apoplectic about it. It's
(34:30):
not replaceable, it's ten years old. He wants that five
wood back, and it's kind of unconscionable that he should
be buried with Larry's five wood. It's not right.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Who gives a shit? Leave well enough alone. You lose
the guy died, you lose the five wood.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Well not according to mister David.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
No, but that's what the show need exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Then he asks you, he asked Jeff, you got your
clubs in your car, in your trunk, And Jeff's like, yeah,
but I'm not giving him. I like the feel, you
like the feel, but yours can be replaced. You can
get your club any where. And Larry says, I'll buy
it for you today, and then they're at the car.
They're getting Jeff's club. Then they go back to the
funeral and Jeff stands watch.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I was just eight.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah. Yeah. One of my favorite visual scenes is Jeff
and Larry walking back in with Larry with his stiff
leg with the with the club.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
But he's got the club down his leg, down his.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Leg well, by the way, the tone starts at the trunk, Yes,
at the trunk, we're looking very serious. I even put
my arm up to block anyone seeing the club. And
then you continue with the limp in There was the
second limp I think the episode before this, he's limping
and the weatherman he's limping, yes, because he fell on
(35:48):
the toilet.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
And then even when you go into by the coffin,
when you are guarding the coffin, Jeff in a way
that you know this is real, this is serious. You
turn your back to the camera. It's like you're you're
you're maintaining you know, you're you're like Mossau.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
He's on the lookout. Yeah, he's on the lookout.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
And Larry fighting with his hands.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, really well, he said, riga mortis already he's trying
to pry the golf club out of Leo's hands.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
His hands are so tight.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, and he finally gets it and he replaces the
golf club, Jeff's golf club into Leo's hand and takes
his own and puts it back down his leg. And
then we cut to Saul Is giving a eulogy for
his uncle Leo. And I love this eulogy.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
He he loved a good walk. He like you see
this man as as dull as could be. You know,
he liked Jeopardy. He liked ginger Ale. If anybody says
in theology.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
She likes Saul, I got to give him credit. He
had the greatest the part of that, the couplet, that's
beautiful me. I wrote it down. He loved ginger Ale.
A nice with the fizz, yes, A nice with the fizz.
Well that's very Jerry Lewis, you know, A nice with
(37:05):
the fizz, because Jerry used to leave words out, but
you knew what he was saying. But when he said
a nice with the fizz, I love that.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
He loved a nap, He loved Jeopardy, I mean the
most simplistic things.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
But what was it he did every Tuesday? I forgot
that's really good.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, oh yeah, I forgot that.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
There was one moment when Larry was sitting there with Jeff,
is that the guy had dandruff in front of him?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yes, oh got cut right, I remember that.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And that was just the one little moment, and you
guys your faces were like, oh my god, this is horrible.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Well, of course didn't serve the show. No, see it later, alligator,
you know, right?
Speaker 1 (37:43):
And then wait, who goes over to the casket? Is
it Marty or is it Soul? Over to the casket
and he says, is this is five wood? Somebody switched
the five wood? And Marty picks up a cashew, and
from the back of the room in the audience, Norm
gets up and says, is that a cashew? Because he
(38:04):
saw Larry eating.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Susie.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You just played Larry Susie.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
You played it like yourself. The way Paul plays it
is like, excuse me, is that a cashu and then
it starts, but he does it in an inquisitive way.
No one would have any idea why he's asking that.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Right, and everyone stares at Larry and then we cut
to our house. One of my favorite scenes.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Well, let's take a step back here. What was the
episode that we just had or it's the one before
where Larry can't stand up because of his back.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yes, that was.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
And remember I was talking about how it bothered me
even when we were filming it that all the people
from the far side of the room to the next
table began yelling at him and caused chaos, and how
it made me nuts. What's beautiful about this scene the
way Brian directed it. Everyone just gives them a dirty look,
(39:06):
which is the way it would be played dirty looks,
and you're feeling Larry's the pressure and if there's ever
any excitement, it's in the look on Larry's face of
everyone staring at him. That's the action of the scene.
All the staring sets up Larry to be Oh, I'm
really fucked and I'm horrified a little lesson.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
This is one of my favorite scenes period me too, uh,
And I will always say it only because Jeff and
Larry are backed up in their chair, in their seat
is with such they the strength of Susie is really
it's so fucking powerful. It's I mean, they can they're
(39:52):
trolling in their seats.
Speaker 9 (39:54):
The truth of the matter is Cheryl cares about that club.
I care about that club. Sammy goes to. They can't
there with the same kids she's been with for years.
And you two don't give a shit about anybody but yourself.
You're a fucking narcissist.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Okay, you are powerful, thank you, and you've been called
on the car.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I'm pissed off. I'm pissed off, and they're all sitting
and I'm standing, which you know.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah, by the way. The problem also is she's completely right.
There's nothing in this that she's wrong.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
She's right, well, yes, absolutely as usual, and you know
the club had your name on it, and what kind
of fucking idiot are you? And where's Cheryl gonna play tennis?
And then Larry comes up she's not that Because I
start carrying on what a great tennis player Cheryl is.
Larry's like, she's not that good, and I'm just like,
it's all a big fucking game to you. Too, and
(40:42):
Larry starts carrying on the five what was irreplaceable? He
starts to justify, and then Cheryl comes up with, well,
the Beverly Park Country Club is accepting new members, and
I'm like, no, there's like three fucking Jews in that
whole place. It's not gonna work. And it's wasp city.
And Larry's like, how am I even going to pass
the interview, to which I said, in exactly this jew
(41:03):
face over here, which is a line that Jeff, you'll
appreciate this. That's what I used to call Carrie Hoffman.
That's where, Yes, Carrie Hoffman owned stand up New York
and New York. Yes, And I used to call him
jew face because he had the I'm there and I
stole from myself in this scene, as we all steal
(41:24):
from ourselves all the time. We'll be right back, stay tuned,
and we're back. This jew face would stick out like
a sore thumb. And then he starts fighting with me,
(41:47):
I'm more gentilely than you, and I love that that
whole take, and then Larry mentions that he'd have to
walk at this golf course unless he had a doctor's note,
and to which I go into wouldn't hurt you to
exercise a little bit, Jeff? And then Larry gets up.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
By the way, a line Larry says in this scene
is I don't know any doctors.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
I don't know any doctors. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Any doctors, which is so absurd.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
That's right, because all he does is go to doctors.
We have scenes in doctor's offices all the time, and dentists.
And then Larry gets up to go to the bathroom
and Oscar is lying on the floor in the bathroom
and he won't get up. Larry asks him to get up,
he won't get up, and then what happens.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Oscar bites his wiener.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Oscar And then there's actually there's a callback whether should
I sit down or should I?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yes, in past episodes previous episode he is peeing sitting down, he.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Covers himself so wonderfully.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yes, you know, yeah, he's always got the whole you know, the.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Art, whole thing on.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yes, he comes running out of the bathroom with his
skinny little legs and his pants around his ankles, hold crossed.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Hold on there they're tidy Whiteyes, which is what makes
it even more funny.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I always kid him about that he's ahead of his
time in terms of showing tidy weddies on screen. Absolutely, yeah,
I mean you know it's.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Like, yeah, Brian Cranston did it on Malcolm in the Middle.
Malcolm in the Middle, he wore his tidy whites on there,
and of course he wore him on Breaking Bad.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Well, that's specific.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
And then I wore them on TV not too much later,
and I remember calling Brian Gordon and I said, can
I recover from this?
Speaker 1 (43:33):
And as you did the Brian Cranston episode in season nine,
if I recall.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yes, but yes, yes, but you were you did one
with your whities on in the bed. I remember that, Jeff,
what episode was that?
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I don't know what was I doing in bed?
Speaker 1 (43:52):
We'll come to it, yes, see when we get.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
There, you remember, yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
And then we're in the er waiting room and you know,
Larry's carrying on that dog should be put to sleep,
and Jeff says, it's not the first time with you
and that dog, because prior I thought the dog had
given Larry an erection. Jeff even says he put the
dog it got in an erection. He tells Cheryl and
Susie saw it and He's like, I was pettying the
dog and I was just adjusting my pants. And Cheryl says,
(44:18):
is that why Ted didn't want you to take care
of his dog? This is all from the prior episode.
And then the doctor comes in clearly, Gay, I know.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
That I forgot the name of the actor, which.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Also William Ragsdale.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
William Ragsdale who was on a TV show called The Head,
Herman's Head, but he was in a movie that holds
up and is great called Fright Night. Fright Night is
just the greatest, and so if you can pick that up.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
On a network scary, A lot of it.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Is scary, but it's a comedy.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
I can't watch it now.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
You could it, Believe me, you could watch it about
a vampire who moves next door and has eyes for
William Ragsdale's mother.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Let's leave it at that, okay. So then Larry is
in the examination room with the doctor and he tells
the doctor very reluctantly, a dog.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
A dog, but.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
My penis a dog picture penis okay, Well that sounds painful. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Then we find out that Larry David is Larry David
and the doctor is Steve the choreographer's best friend.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
I love the shot in that where Larry is absorbing
in realizing the story. Yes, he's realized. The doctor is Evan, Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
And the guy just broke up with his partner exactly.
And we get the sense that Stephen told Evan about
Larry and the framed picture on his desk, because we
see that Evan might be a little interested in more
than just the penis bite. And Evan says to him,
all right, give me, mister baggy, which is like whatever.
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So now we are at one of my favorite scenes
of all time, and this is Larry and Cheryl's interview
at Beverly Park with Ken Howard and James Sicking.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
And let let me tell you a story about Ken Howard. Yes,
he and I were i'll say acquaintances. We became friends.
He was the president of the Screen Actors Guilt correctly,
and they wanted to make it sag after after was
against it. Some people and SAG were against it. But
the only way that the actors of which I was one,
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could deal with the studios was at one unified unit.
Because if you remember, if it shot on video, it's
after shot on film, it's SAG. But as everything became
digital for the most part, they had to do it.
So he said to me out of nowhere, one day
he called me a thing. He said, look, I need
a favor and I said what. He goes, I need
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this sag Affra thing to pass. I assume you're for it.
You have the merge. I said, I'm absolutely for it.
It has to He goes, will you run for the
national board for sag And when I won, he pulls
me aside and he says, it's not just helping to
get this passed. I want you to be funny and
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say whatever's on your mind. At any point, go up
and ask, because there's a microphone up front, ask absurd questions.
Your job is to lighten the room because the room
gets really heavy. Now in the room, there was a
group of people who were very much against the merger,
and every time I did anything that was funny, the
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anger on their face was almost like from a movie
of like the straight laced guy getting pissed off the
head of the university or whatever it was. And I
had a doing that. And by the way, from that,
that's where ken did you do the show before or after?
Never mind? I don't know what I'm talking about. But anyhow,
and by the way, one of my favorite shows when
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I was in high school was The White Shadow.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Great Show and Thomas Jefferson in seventeen seventy six.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yes, but that's more your speed. Yes, because it's a musical.
I like the one about basketball.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
And you know who played his wife was blythe Danner. Oh,
blythe Danner seventeen seventy six. Jeff already talked about his
relationship with Ken Howard and it's Larry pretending to be
a wasp basically, which is hilarious.
Speaker 6 (48:36):
Could I ask you a few more questions about organizations
that you belong to?
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Please?
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Absolutely, goll I'm a moose, uh.
Speaker 6 (48:45):
An a Elk, You're a moose and Elk, I'm a
moose elk extraordinary.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
I'm in the Rotary Club. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Why what other organizations are your members?
Speaker 6 (48:58):
We're in the Council for Conservative Citizens, National Rights to
Life Committee, or in the Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
What do you remember about this shooting this scene, Brian.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
I remember laughing, but I also remember, uh the how
sharp it was, just in terms of the specifics of
Larry uh not only sailing and needing a captain occasionally
a board, but also he was a member of the
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Rotary and he was a member of various conservative.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
Hold one of those the references were so republican and
just openly republican.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Com he said, hold on republic very not not jewish
as not jewish as can be. And I love But
here's the thing. I don't think he improvised those. I
think he thought about them ahead of time and very prepared.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
We put a list together of conservative groups that I.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Do remember, and that he and Cheryl met at a
Reagan fundraiser, and that Larry Polo is more of.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
His game and he developed his golf swing exactly getting
hit in the head with.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
A And I love how Jim sicking is like, well, yes,
it is quite a similar kind of a swing. And
they all just played so beautifully.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Oh well, and Cheryl saying they were more of a September, December,
December and October October. That was that was yes.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
I mean, there's there's so much gold in this scene,
just little things like when Larry takes his glasses off
and and he puts the tip in his mouth. Yes,
and he's you know, thinking. There was just so many
little subtle things about this scene. Do you remember how
many times how many takes you did on this scene?
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Not that many. I don't think we did that many,
only because I think we were. It was so sharp,
and maybe two or three at the top the top,
you know, just going through it, because I remember everybody
feeling so good about this. It really ran so well,
but the questioning of each one was so so dead
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on how the two of.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
You meet was I mean, and Larry saying, you know,
I think I noticed a log cabin Republican in the
parking lot. You know, just there's so many This scene
is hilarious and the elk moose. What's funnier than I'm
an elk and a moose and a moose. Yeah, And
then in the very end, it's all going very well
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and you feel like they're going to be accepted, and
Larry brings up it gives them his doctor's note because
because of the polo accident that he was in he
could no longer walk the course. He needs a cart.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
But therein lies the beauty of curb, which is called
back that was set up so early, and it it
was used and it was just it was perfect.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
There's very few things that are that are left hanging.
There's very few things that are not used. And then,
of course the denu ma of the episode is Larry
is in his office where he calls Delilah, the dental
hygienis who is supposed to have an assignation.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
With Hey, Delilah's Larry David. Hi, Larry, I'm sorry, but
I'm noting able to Mega tonight.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Why not a dog bit my penis? The end hangs
up very fun, by the way, because I'm always very
self conscious. I cannot. I mean, I'm yawning a lot.
And then I got very excited because I thought you
didn't have coffee this morning? He didn't sleep, all right,
I got that out.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Well, thank you Jeff for sharing. Brian. Any last words
about directing this episode.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Eighteen years ago. It was on eighteen years ago, and
it's as fresh as.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Today, by the way, for me too. I remember locations,
I remember where I was standing, like every that comes
flying back.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Yeah, And that is because I can remember other shows
I have done that I have no memory.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Of, you know, ild on hold on the Michael Richards
show that we did together. The only thing I remember
from that show what the sideburns Ryan.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
I do believe also that this is the first time
you directed me, not the lasting.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
If I may just ask you in terms of your
own wardrobe and what you go through to put it.
You know, at that point in time, where were you
in terms of you of your own design of how
you're going to dress?
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I think I was fully Susie Green, but as the
seasons progressed got more so.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
She What we discussed is this is stuff that she's making.
Because in the last episode, I believe you wore one
of your bedazz old sweatshirts. Oh no, yeah, yes, because
it was I forgot Buffalo, but it was a team
that made no sense for you to wear no affiliation.
But it's it's popping in at this point, Ryan, it's
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popping in and it'll soon be taken over.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
It'll win. H wait till people see the season twelve,
unless they've seen it already by the time this years, Oh.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
My es twelve is a big ball of wow. Basically
it was it was wow. That's all I can say.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
You're you blessed through it in a way that you know,
it just gives it such.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Thank you love. The wardrobe was actually my idea. I mean,
I worked in conjunction with our designers, but the way
she dressed was my idea.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Well, oh my god, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
Yeah, thank you for coming right, you'll come back in
a later season.
Speaker 5 (54:49):
Thank you, and thank you so very much, and we'll
see you all next week.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Bye, Jeffy Bye. The History of Curb Your Enthusiasm is
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