S5 Ep. 10 - “The End”

Jeff and Susie discuss “The End” from Season 5.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You can watch the original episode we'll be discussing in
every other episode of HBO's Curby Your Enthusiasm, including the
new and final season, on Max. You can also watch
the video version of the history of Curby Your Enthusiasm
podcast on Max and YouTube, as well. Links available in
the episode description. Okay, here we are at the end

(00:29):
of the season.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Jeff.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's season five episode ten. Yeah, and it is called
the end. And I'm Susie Esman.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm Jeff Garland enjoying Susie s Man.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
She has to offer And we start out that you
get young people love what young people love you. Yes, Well,
I'll tell you something anecdotally interesting. You know, I live
in New York, as we know, and on the streets
of New York City, I would say I get stopped
more by boys in their twenties than any other group

(01:01):
who love kurb Young guys in their twenties.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Most of them discovered the show from watching it with
their father or parents or family, like it's a rite
of passage almost from a father to a son. Because
I didn't let my kids watch it until they were
like in their early teens, like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
There's inappropriate content. It's not the language, really, it's the content.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
When I did Daddy Daycare, a lot of those kids
would say to me, I enjoyed last season of Curb
Your Enthusiasm. And I would say to their mothers and going,
you know, they're eight, what's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
It's like, yeah, he's getting a pupa care stuck in
his throat.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I mean all sorts of things.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
You know, who stops me on the street and it's weird. Nurses, nurses,
I get it every direction. Arry. Sometimes I found myself
surrounded by nurses and we're not even near a hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
But seriously, it's always surprising to me how these young guys,
you know, because we're an old cast pretty much right.
Oh no, we are very old, kiss.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
But what overcomes that is we're funny. So you can
be young or old. If it's funny, it doesn't matter.
We could be in our nineties and doing this, and
if it's really funny and appropriately written for people in
their nineties, I think.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Young people would. By the way, I plan on working
into my nineties.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'll work as long as I'm having fun.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
How old was Shelley when he was doing this? He
was in his late eighties.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
No, No, not late eighties.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
You don't think so.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
No, because I work with George Siegel, who was in
his early to mid eighties and he was sharp as
a tax.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I think Shelley was in his mid to late eighties.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
He might have. But also, we live in a different
world where it's not weird working with someone in their
eighties nineties, I would say it's weird, you know. I
almost I met Norman Lear years ago. He was doing
a show and he wanted me to me to He
took me to lunch to be a recurring character on
a show he was doing. And I remember when he
said that because I had no idea why he asked

(02:58):
me to lunch. And I'm just like, it's Norman Lear,
you know. And when he said that to me, I
really had to pinch myself. Norman Lear wants me to
be a character in one of his shows. I just
couldn't believe it. And the show took place in a
retirement home. Hu And then I also did who is
one hundred? He might be one on one now he might.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Be, but he's at least one hundred. And didn't George
Burn's work until he was like ninety nine. He was
on ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yes, my grandfather lived in ninety nine. Just gonna tell
you this little anecdote. So I'm on the Sony lot
and I see Norman and a friend of mine, Billy
Merivitz from Chicago. They're friends, the two of them. They're
in a golf cart and I'm walking on the lot
and they stop and we say hello, and Norman says,

(03:45):
how you doing. I go because I was doing Curb
and the Goldbergs at the same time, and I said,
I'm exhausted. I can barely move. He goes, No, moving
is everything, and it's better to be exhausted than not exhausted.
And by the way, at the time he was probably
ninety seven ninety eight, And no kidding around. That's profoundly

(04:06):
affected me in terms of I have complete energy when
I'm not lazy at all anymore, I should say at all,
but in moments of laziness, but in general Boom, Sarah
yesterday must have asked me for a half dozen things
which I had to get up and go across the house.
I got all of them with energy, not a second thought.

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So thank you summarization, Johnsyes. But it profoundly affected me,
that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, well he's a great role model, by the way, Yeah, yeah,
so And for I mean, I hope this isn't the case,
but for our listeners who do not know who normally
is go look it up.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
But normally a created all in the family among other things.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
And by the way, ironically were bringing him up Maud,
and that has everything to do with this episode. Here
we go, okay, yeah, and I have a great b
Arthur story, Sondra b Arthur's story, which I I don't
think you know, I don't.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
All right, we get to it. So we start out
you were getting out of a prius which is clearly
Larry's prius, and you say it's kind of small, but
we establish that you're buying it for your nanny, so
it's fine. And then you ask Larry how much. He says,
oh whatever, and you say you'll give him the blue
Book value price, which, by the way, shake on the
deal if I may.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's not getting a deal from your friend.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Fine, that's the Bluebook value price.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
No, but I would not sell to a close friend
of mine the blue Book value. I would go under
Bluebook value. But that's the kind of friend I am.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
And that's the kind of friend Larry is not because
he accepts the blue Book value. And even more we
find out and you shake on the deal. And then
Cheryl comes out. She's on the phone and she announces
Lewis Lewis is out of the coma. Oh dear Louis Lewis,
who is played by Bill Saluga. And Bill salugas I
told you was Ace Trucking Company.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
A trucking company, Thank you. I couldn't think of it before. Yes,
with Fred Willard out of San Francisco, If I'm not mistaken.
Reason I watched them. They were hosting If I'm not mistaken,
the midnight special, that music show on Friday nights when
they have comedians too. But then he went from that,
and he was very good in that to this character
with a hat dressed like a yeah, you can call

(06:15):
me Ray, you can call me Jay. And he was
in a lot of the Miller Light commercials, so you
saw him all over.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
The place, right And we get to got to the hospital.
There is Bill Saluga yacking it up on the phone.
There's going to be a party. He invites the nurse
to the party. She says she'll come and then Larry
comes in and ask him, what do.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
You know about your cousin who needs a kidney?

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Well, Richie, yeah, well so we'll find him a kidney.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
What about yours?

Speaker 1 (06:40):
What are you crazy?

Speaker 3 (06:41):
I'm not giving anybody my kid you I just woke up.
I'm gonna give things out now.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
That's very selfish, selfish, and let me ask you a question.
You know, I heard that you come in and out
of here all the time, and I don't understand that.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
I hardly know you.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I met you briefly once at Richie's house, and they
tell me you're here all the time.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
I visit people in the hospital and I cheer them up.
I go around, I do volunteer work, and I knew
you were here, so I stopped in to see you.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah. Well, I'll tell you something.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
You don't have to cheer me up, because I'm cheered up.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
It takes to be in a comb.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
I'm telling you, I've never felt so refreshed in my life.
Oh really, you know those bears, they had it right.
They go on the hibernation, they come out like new bears.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Another exchange a thing of beauty. He gets nailed, and
then he has an answer that you go, Wow, that
is so funny Lewis.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Lewis starts talking about how Grady feels bears have it right,
the hibernation, et cetera, et cetera, which I think must
feel pretty damn good to sleep that long. Larry leaves
and as he's leaving, he sees Richard Lewis coming in
looking horrible. He's walking with a cane.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Well, by the way, I have to say, it's beautifully lit. Yeah,
and he comes down as a shadow and they almost
are like gunfighters, but not in terms of a gunfight.
It's a turning gunfight of like you know, Larry and
him were walking towards well, you're walking past each other.
It's really it's really cool. I think that's seeing Michelle and.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Lewis looks like death warmed over.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well, I told you that. People would ask.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Me, Yeah, I rich I know. And Lewis just stares
at him, just stares at him, gives him like a
death stare. And then Larry is back in the house
with Cheryl and he starts talking about, you know, he
was the specter of death and he's haunted.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
By that look that Lewis gave him.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
And Cheryl's not really listening to him, and she's just like,
have you seen the Sopranos DVD case? And Larry's like,
you're barking up the wrong tree. I have a system.
I put the case on top of the player, and
then when it's done, I reflect. He's got a whole system.
And then Larry starts going off on this whole tangent
about he's not even that friendly with Louis. Yeah, he's
known him for forty four years, but they're really more

(08:53):
like acquaintances. They're not really close friends, which we know
is bullshit because they're best fucking friends.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
No. But by the way, when he does it, it's
so clary. He's trying to massage Larry. He really wants
to Cheryl to go, you know what, he's not your friend.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
He's not your friend. But Cheryl goes right back to
the DVD. Cheryff's fixated on the DVD and then the
phone rings and it's Omar Jones. He wants Larry to
come to his office the next day. He's got some
news for him. So next day Larry is in Omar's
office and he was in fact adopted. Omar tells him
mister and missus Cone from Bisbee, Arizona. They're awaiting his call,

(09:33):
and then Larry is in the elevator. The elevator opens
and there's Steve Rash right up front. You're editor acting,
is it extra? And you see Larry's just dazed and confused,
and he walks into a store and finds Cheryl in
the dressing room, half naked, and silently he's telling her.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Oh no. But but by the way, as I was
watching that, I thought, yeah, there's a lot of clever
word playing. Larry could fill in those black and white
boxes which tells you you're hearing. But I thought that
was really cool. I don't know, I'm thinking that we
shot it to just be part of a montage. I
think so too, Yeah, because it doesn't seem like they're

(10:12):
having a real conversation. They're acting. But I it reminded
me of a silent movie, like legitimately, not like that.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Felt like, no, well, you knew exactly what was going on.
I know, we didn't need to dialog it was.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
It was really interesting.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
And then we see Larry on the plane, sitting in
the exit row and he's freaked out and he tells
the flight attendant he can't sit here. All we need
to know is that you're willing to assist passengers in
the event of a non traditional landing.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
I cannot be of any help whatsoever in any kind
of non traditional landing or any traditional landing.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Did you read the brochure.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
I can't read that brochure.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
It's Chinese.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I'm sorry, Chinese. You look a little Alsian. I'm sorry.
It's just an expression, but I don't know you.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
You look maybe tie.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Is it the state? Are you just scared to find I.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Choke under pressure in any kind of game with basketball.
If I was on the foul line and towards like
the last five into the game, I would miss the
entire rim. He couldn't even hit the rim because I
was choking, choking.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
He could not be of any help whatsoever. He chokes
under pressure. He doesn't know how to do the thing,
the pull down. And he's the woman sitting next to
him who he thinks is tie and not Chinese, and
he's kind a.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Thing no properly tie.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yes, yes, Chinese.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
She she's an extra.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
She does she does not until yeah, yes, and then
that's really funny.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
And then we're in Bixby Arizona in a beautiful little
yellow house with a porch with a nice little white
picket fence in the front. And he rings the bell
and his father answers, who doesn't look all that much
older than him, and they hug and they start to
tell the whole story. He just came out of the

(11:48):
next He did have him read very young.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
The actress playing Larry's mother is June.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Squib, who is June's Squib.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
June Squib was shortly thereafter an immensely popular character actors.
She worked constantly in big movies and she worked a ton.
She really broke through in a move with Bob Odenkirk
called Nebraska, And yeah, she was great in that movie,
and she had I don't know what's going on with

(12:17):
her now, but I can tell you the run that
she had for a while. It was like a Betty Well,
it was like a Betty White run.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
You know, everybody wanted June Squib, and so I thought, wow,
we got.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Her before she was June Squib.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, but no, I thought, Susie's not going to know this,
and I did.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
No, I didn't know that. So the father tells him
he just got out of the navy. They had no money,
that's why they gave him up for adoption. They were
so young, that's why he doesn't look that much older.
They're probably, you know, nineteen something like that. And then
Larry says, do you know anything about the people who
adopted me? And they met and the husband was fidgety,
and the mother was very loud, and she ruled the roost,

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and you know, it all sounds like Larry's family. And
the mother is from Illinois and the dad is from
Virginia with a scott the English Scotland background and been
in this country for hundreds of years. And then Larry's
getting a little suspicious. He's like, how do you spell con?
How do you spell your last name? How do you
spell your last name cn e? It's not Cohn Cohen

(13:26):
the Jewish way, it's Coo n e. And then the
religious music comes up and Larry sees a picture of
Jesus on the wall and he says, oh my god,
I'm gentile, which.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Would be quite a shock to any of us, I think.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
And this is one of the great cuts ever on
our show, when we go from this to what we
see next.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
He's in the car, he gets out wearing a tgif
T shirt and some kind of straw cowboy hat.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
But also it's tucked into shorts with a belt, yes,
tucked into with his shoes, but it is so on
the money.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Just well, this whole run of him in Bixby, Arizona,
is it Bigsby?

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Whatever?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
I found delightful? I just like the.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Whole small town. No, Jesus, by the way, he's really
walking around Mayberry. Correct, by the way, if I may
everybody is friendly and welcoming, just like Mayberry.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, we'll be right back.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
Stay tuned, and we're back.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
And he meets Dave the Chevrolet dealer and Jenny and
where no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Take a step back he does, like, you know, there's
that stupid humor because he pulls up with his father
in a Kia. Yeah, and so this is our friend Dave.
He's a Chevrolet dealer. Why didn't my dad didn't come
to you for a car? Why is he driving this thing?
But he says it in a chuckling way.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, you know, and it was yeah yeah. And then
he sees a guy selling a Prius and it says
a two thousand and four Prius twenty one thousand, six
hundred and eighty dollars and he asked. Larry asked the guy,
and the guy says, well, that's the blue book value.
And Larry says, I sold a prius to my friend
and he paid me five thousand dollars less, and we
know that was you. And the mom says, oh, Larry, Larry,

(15:20):
what's wrong? And Larry says, my friend took advantage of me,
and the mother says, give him the benefit of the doubt,
experience love and forgiveness. That's what Jesus would.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Do, and then he goes okay, okay, yeah. And the
guy at the car is played by Pat Finn, who
is one of the funniest people I've ever known from
Chicago and Theft, and he plays it perfect because his
reaction to Larry when Larry says he got ripped off
is like, oh, pal, you just you know, yeah, well yeah,
So I want to also add, this is just a

(15:51):
tidbit when we unless I'm on camera when we go
film anywhere, and this was two and a half hours away,
staying overnight there when we were shooting all these weak
Where was it up the one O one, you know,
way past Valenci and stuff. Yeah, literally, you know, two
three hours away, you know, when we do these things,
and also all driving scenes that I'm not in, I don't.

(16:15):
I just don't feel unnecessary, like you know, to go
up there. And like the biggest one for me was
Larry with Scorsese on the on the roof in New York.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
No, that was in New York.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yes, but yeah, when we're talking about the planning of it,
certain people who didn't need to be there made sure
they they wanted to be there to put on a
floor show for Scorsese has spent time. I who loves Scorsese.
I just said, I'm out, I'm good, I'm ana stay home.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
And I could have gone to set because I live
in New York, but I.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Just by the way. If I lived in New York,
certainly i'd stop, I'd go by the set, and i'd work.
I'd work if I lived in New York.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
So next we see Larry. Next we see him fishing,
and then they start beating the fish. He and his
father take clubs to start beating the fish. And then
we see him duck hunting or bird hunting, and he's
horseback riding. He looked good on that horse well, by.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
The way, I don't know if that was actually him,
because it went from someone riding towards I have to
watch it again, someone who looks just like Larry riding. See.
I'm telling you, I would bet everything that that wasn't
him on that long ride to ask because well, no
reason being is that we don't see the horse stop.
There's the ride and then cut to Larry where the

(17:31):
horse is taking two or three steps and stops. So, yeah,
that was the part that was Larry. The other you know,
with body doubles depending on what's going on, and Larry's
had some raid on the money body doubles. You don't
know when you're watching unless it's a Tom Cruise movie.
You know, everything is Tom Cruise, which I've never understood.
Who likes Tom Cruise more or enjoys his movies more

(17:54):
based on him doing the stunt. If anything, when you're watching,
it takes you out of the movie because you're going
Tom Cruise really did that.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, but you know a lot of what Bert Lanscaster
used to do his own stunts, Gene Kelly used to
do his own stunt.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Let's take a step back think of the Mission Impossible
movies and anything that Bert Lancaster or especially Gene Kelly
ever did in their career. The Mummy, like all these movies,
these are big fucking stunts. I mean, he's literally in
the air doing stuff on a plane. You know what.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
I think he's taking a job away from a stunt man,
is what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well, by the way, there's that too, but I think
that he befriends stuntman and they help him. He by
the way, I bet John set he hangs with the
stunt people, condition people. Tom likes being in the middle
of the action and may also say about Tom Cruise
same age as me, which people might not think as possible.
And from the moment I first saw him, which is
this movie about young cadets, Oh oh shit, but it

(18:54):
was like this movie about young cadets Sean Pennett like
a lot of young actors in it. But just like
Julia robertson Mystic Pizza, because I remember that experience. You
look at these people and you go, wow, they're movie stars.
I'm curious what happens because they're fucking movie stars. And
Julia Roberts had a bigger role. But nonetheless, Tom Cruise
in a medium at best size role. You watch it

(19:16):
and you go, dude's a movie star. And by the way,
I'm sure other people thought that, and he truly is
like a lot of people, you know, he's a movie star. No,
this dude is an out and out movie star. It's
a level above other people where it's like fucking Tom Cruise.
And I like his movies. I never thought I liked
the sequel to Top Gun. I loved every minute of it.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
But I was wearing cotton, which was very comfortable.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
All right. So he's horseback riding and he's helping his
mom with the wool.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
That was more than a tidbit, that was a tangent.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
That was a tangent. Then he's fixing the roof. Then
he's chugging beer with the chaser. Then they're having dinner
and they have to say grace first, and he learns
how to do the.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Cross, but hold on his toes watch wallet.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, but the cross he makes a joke to his
dead I keep the keys in the wallet on the
other side.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
But also he's so into learning the cross.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Totally into it.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
And then they're at church and they're singing go tell
it on the mountain. And he's joyous. He's having the
time of he loves being gentile. And the minister's sermon
is about an important relationship with your friends. Don't take
your friends for granted.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
No, no, he talks about family, but he goes, let's talk
about this one today. Friends.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
That's right, friends, and the bond of friendship and generosity
and spirited Am I a good friend? How have I
sacrificed for my friend? And you see Larry thinking, and
you know what he's thinking. He's thinking about Louis's kidney,
and Denny says, Mom and dad, I have to go.
And that's a real sacrifice because he's really enjoying himself
there in Bigsby, Arizona.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
He's having the time of his life.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
But one of the great things comes next.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, he's wearing a blue blazer with a red sweater
vest in a tie, and he's on the plane. Yes,
he's on the plane in the exit seat, and Bob White,
he is sitting on the plane with him, who.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Was one of our directors.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
And the flight attendant comes over to tell him, oh,
I'll move you because she remembers him. Oddly enough, it's
the same flight attendant. You could depend on me.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I won't let you down and be a deer and
get me a gin and tonic.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
He says to by the way, no, no anxiety because
he's not Jewish.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
No, not anymore.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
He completely leaves change.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
He changes so quick once he finds out that it's
COO n e yes. John Hayman used to have a
joke about that in his act about David Cohne, the
picture co O n e Anyway, he comes back, He
goes to Lewis, he hugs him and he says to him,
you could have my kidney. And then he sees Lewis
he says, what what is that putter in Louis's doorway?

(21:47):
And he pulls the putter out of the back. He's like,
where'd you get this? I used this putter a few
weeks ago and it changed my life. And you can't
find them anymore. I love this putter.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Can I borrow it? And Lewis says, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
I've lost a lot of clubs. I've lent them out
through the years.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
It's not gonna do anything.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
It's take really good care of it.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
Believe me.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
I can't lend them out.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
I don't get that. Come on, I'll take good care
of it, I promise.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
No, I am sure you will, but I prefer you didn't.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
I'm about what.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
I completely understand.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
I respect your decisions. Really, I still love you.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
He's giving him his kidney and Lewis won't let him
borrow the putt.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
But also a very tough acting thing, because I think
ninety nine percent of people would say, take it, it's yours.
Of course, Richard. The way he's objecting, so believable and
so rate on the money. I just I love it.
I love when actors rise to the occasion of the
nu once right, you know, because it's a difficult thing

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to play well.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
We also see Larry, Larry says I'll take good care
of it. He's about to say to him, I'm giving
you a fucking kidney, and and he catches himself because
he's Christian.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Now what would Jesus do?

Speaker 1 (23:02):
What would Jesus do? And then he goes home and
he's like, I love you, Cheryl, and Cheryl's like, what
are you wearing? And then Larry says I want to have.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Children, so good lots of them. But also he keeps
kissing her in the most uncomfort. She's like, completely confused,
she doesn't know what those are my favorite kisses they've
ever had, ye because it's just insane.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
And she's like, well, that deserves a bigger conversation if
you want to have to, you know, take your tie off,
and Larry says to her, I know why God saved
me from drowning.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
He wanted me to give Lewis my kidney.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
And then we were in the hospital and the orderly
comes in and it's Craig Robinson, who everybody will recognize,
so much fun to see in.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
The early No no, no, but but but buddy, he's
on the show because of me. He's great, So don't
get me wrong. But to see friends like Bobby Lee
and Craig Robinson and I mentioned Pat Finn, like these
are you know, it's like if I just got my
cronies on and who the fuck are they? That ruins
the show. So I cared passionately about the show first,

(24:07):
but to be able to have someone I really believed
in and loved the best guy, Craig Robinson, I love him,
love him, love him, and anytime I see him on screen,
I'm so damn happy. Best dude, and so to see
him in this and by the way, the way he
plays this is really the way Craig Robinson playshit. That's

(24:28):
why Rake from the get go. If you're watching this,
you go, oh that guy's got something.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. So Craig comes in and Larry says,
God will watch over me.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
He wants a little less guy. But you are lucky, man.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
You're giving away a kidney.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
The recipient is going to love you.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Man.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Really, you're gonna have your own personal slave, is what
it is.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
You could be in China and sneeze and he'll bring
you a tissue.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Well, that may be true of others. I don't think
with him though.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
He wouldn't even loan me a putter.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Actually, you give him a kidney, he wouldn't loan.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
You as putter.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Well, you know, people get very attached to a golf club.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's understandable.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
You're not attached to your kidney.

Speaker 6 (25:14):
That's fucked up.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
And Craig says, well, your recipient is gonna love you.
It's gonna be your own personal slave for the rest
of your life. And Larry says, he wouldn't give me
his putter, so he's still petty Larry deep underneath and
Craig well, the Orderly is his name's not. Craig says,
that's fucked up, and then they wheel them both out.
Lewis and Larry are both wheeled out with their with
their you know things on their heads.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Oh, by the way again shot beautifully the way they
come down the first off where they meet and they're
coming down and Larry, despite the fore iron, the Orderly
mentions the putter, Yeah, right, not Larry because he's not Jewish.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Right. Oh, but Larry told the order Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
But he mentioned it because it's the real Larry underneath,
and we find out he's not adopted in the moment, yes.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Well yes, and Richard says it's this is the greatest thing.
I'll do anything for you for the rest of your life,
and the Orderly Craig Robinson says, anything except blowing you
a putter, and then we see Omar Jones comes running in,
mister David, Miss David was a big mistake. You're not adopted,
and Larry's like he's not adopted. All of a sudden,
he's Jewish again. He tries to get off the table
and like nix the whole thing and then we cut

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to two months later and you see Richard on the
beach with a very hot girl in a bikini and
living it up. And then we cut to Larry's in
the hospital on life support and standing around or Matt
and Cheryl and you and me and Larry's.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Doctor, doctor Jack Gollo, doctor Jack Gallan manager and I
forget that actor's name, and there might be is there
one other person?

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Well, the rabbi comes in later, but he's not there yet.
And then Larry.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Says to you, you low balled me on the car.
I need you to give five thousand dollars to Cheryl.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
And by the way, if I may talked about this before,
that was the moment that Larry and I filmed our staredown, which,
as I've told you, because of he and I.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
It did the yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
By the way, one take and we looked at each
other and laughed and no way does not work because
it was it was so forced and weirdness.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
The staredown is for the guests.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
It's not for us.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
No, I know, it makes no sense for intimate people
to have staredowns.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
And we had one. It was uncomfortable for me, and
and then Larry says, I.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Avoided good tease my whole life.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Turns out I was right, Larry.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
The Rabbi is here.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
Rabbi say, I'm still younger.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Abbi.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
I thought, when God takes someone young, they're usually a
good person.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
That's the one thing I had going for me. Well,
God is apparently making an exception in your case.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Larry's like, I could have traveled more, but I can't
stand packing. And the Rabbi says, anyone you'd like to
ask for forgiveness. Then we go into this montage which
I did not love.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Oh no, hold none. What I didn't love is here's
what I'm thinking from Richard Lewis on the beach, which
seems like it's a weird thing, but I get it comedically,
but it's still strange. From that moment through the rest
of the episode, it all feels like a dream. None
of it feels real. So when we're standing, for example,

(28:36):
Cheryl the way it's done, she's not terribly upset, and
she seems like a gold digger, like right after he died,
which is so weird.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
After this montage. That's what happens when she asks.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
By the way, I enjoyed the montage and I'll explain
later why it was.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
There well, and what it was was. It was a
litany porno' Gill's wife, the beloved cunt Paul.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Saying, yeah, the last five seasons.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
You wait, the baby.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Calling him a cocksucker, But it's all the conflicts that
he had over the past five seasons.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
And I'm gonna explain why that was.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Askar Muggsy Bows, the Russian guy with the Yamica cousin
Andy fighting with him.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Over the jack jack. Yeah, a lot winnaker.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
For the chiropractor.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
His fights with her were the longest and most wrestling
life hilarious, hilarious, hilarious, what's crazy killer?

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
So when all that happens, then he says to you,
he can the.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Rabbi says anyone. He goes, no, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Nah.

Speaker 6 (29:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
The Rabbi says, you have to get your life in order.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Is there anybody that you'd like to, you know, make
amends to or something like that, And then we go
through this whole montage in his head and then he says, nah,
I'm good, good, And then he says to you, because
it's his parting where.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
It's to you that you eat way too much, Mayo.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
I know, I know, what a fucking home run. He goes,
if you're eating tuna salad, you don't don't need it
on the bread read and I look at him and
I go, I will eat less, Mayo.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 6 (30:16):
Stay tuned.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
Okay, we're back.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
And then he says, you shouldn't have let him do that,
Seinfeld TV Guide cover.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah he looked like and he looked like a dick
or something like something.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
And then I say, yes, it was my mistake.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, you're a mistake. And then he says to Nat,
I'm sorry about the adoption, but that doesn't know what
he's saying, what you need a doctor, you need a doc.
Matt doesn't hear him. And then he the camera turns
to me and I'm like lat and he's like, I don't.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Even know that you say, lair. I mean, you know
about it, okay, but that is played also perfect. I
mean the timing of it is just like you make
a move, but you don't even get a half step in.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
And then he says, eh, by the way, I recall,
I think I'm almost sure about this that that's not
what was written in the outline. We changed it that
day in the outline there was some confrontation between us.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
A normal yelling fast, yeah, normal, And.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
That day it was just changed to the last you know,
which is always better, simpler, it's.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Always better, although you fighting with Larry is always.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Going well, that's a different thing, but that the fight
was not appropriate in this moment. Then he said, ask
Cheryl if he could fool around a little till she
got there, and and he says, I know it was
you about the soprano DVD cover because I have a system.
And then he flatlines, and Gallagher feels a pulse. He nods,
and we see his body leave and hover above, and

(31:55):
Cheryl goes and asks the business manager, anything you could
tell me about the will?

Speaker 2 (31:59):
That is what I'm saying. It's just that's not her.
She cares, she loves.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Larry, loves Larry, but she did not seem that way
in this absolutely and it was character. And then you
say to her, show you don't really want the five thousand, right,
and she's like, yes, I do want the five thousand
dollars and and I say, you know, just be reasonable
in me.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Story held, but by the way, has he's floating above us,
watching and then he goes away. I'm telling you that
stuff that we did in the hospital room after he
flatlines just seems like what would happen in a dream.
Like it may have been a dream for all I know,
the way he wrote it, it just didn't seem it's
felt dreamless.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
It was surreal.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
It was very surreal.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
That's what I'm you know, fighting, fighting, fighting, and he's
just above us watching, you know. And I say he's
petty in life, and he was petty and death and
and he just rises, rises, rises, and all of a
sudden he's up in the clouds and he has hair.
But the hair that he has is not what his
hair looked like when he really had hair. It's like

(33:04):
a straight gray Is that what Larry looked like?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Larry having a full jewfro, not nearly.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Anytime he's wearing a wig.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Anytime he's wearing a wig is hilarious to me, and
he hates it.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
He hates one of my favorite photographs that I took
as the fought was season, which we have.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
In the Beard. No.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
But I have a shot it's actually gonna be in
my book. There's a shot. I've already put it in
my shows of Larry getting put into all that by
Thomas and I have Thomas and it's a it's a
really cool picture, really cool. I'm very proud of that picture.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
I'd love to see it sometime. And then he's in
the clouds and everybody's wearing white, and his guides come over,
who are played by Dustin Hoffman and Sasha Baron Kohane,
and they tell him they've been watching him his whole life.
And there's a lot of fans up there. Ponsta Leone
is actually a huge fan and can't wait to meet him,
and Marilyn Row huge Seinfeldt fan. And all of a sudden,

(34:03):
his mother shows up, who was played by the brilliant
Bee Arthur, and she's just like, what kind of schmuck
are you?

Speaker 3 (34:11):
I mean, who goes around giving their kidney to people?

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Idiot? And I'm surprised that your father will let you
do such a thing.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Wait till I see him again.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
Why didn't you tell ded not to bother me when
you died? I missed your funeral, so what why's so important?
Why were you so happy when you thought you were adopted?

Speaker 2 (34:28):
That's what I want to know.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
I wasn't happy, Oh, don't give me that you were
very happy. I was not absolutely giddy.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Hitting you were giddy, Kitty. I was not giddy. You
were giddy. Okay, Now, if you go beneath the skin
in this moment, this relationship with his mother, which I
love in this moment because we've never seen it, is me.
If I it was raised by a woman like that,
and I knew you, you would be instant trauma for
me twenty four hours a day.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Well, when I watched her, she reminded me of my character.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Right, yes, I'm saying exactly.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
She just says, I'm not done with you yet, Buster,
and then she disappears.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
I love that wosh that we did. It's pretty cool. Yeah,
they probably had a lot of choices. But I want
to tell you the b Arthur story, which is great.
All right. So b Arthur's works one day and we
only shot that one day. I think, yeah, it was
only one day. So b Arthur is I'm not gonna
say friends, but strong acquaintances with Sondra. Sondra did her

(35:27):
makeup and Sondra helped her through it.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Sondra was our makeup artist at the time. Okay, Sondra Jordan's.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
And Sondra fell for anything. I said. She was my
favorite target, and she was one of the few targets
in my life that I never told her I was kidding.
I let it sit there and it just worked. You
understand what I'm saying. So I don't remember the gentleman's name,
and he was a gentleman, great guy. Do you remember
the really tall, handsome black transport driver, really muscular. Yeah, okay,

(35:58):
so I can remember his name, but excellent dude. So
she leaves. He's driving her home in a pass van
and after he leaves, I go, that is just great.
And Sondra goes, what's great? I go that he gets
to drive her Home's he is the biggest crush on her,
he loves her, he's yes, he's confident he can seduce her.

(36:21):
She's like, what are you told me?

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, he wants to have sex with her, badly, badly,
and he says he can pull it off. Sondra loses
her ship and she runs to Aaron O'Malley, one of
our producers, who I've already let in on it. So
Sondra screaming, we gotta stop him, we gotta come, and

(36:43):
b Arthur died shortly after that, So she was, I know,
a great one. But this was a moment that I,
you know, this is me being.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
A This was probably the last thing she did. If
she died shortly after that, it might be and she was.
She was perfect casting, I think, perfect casting and a
nice lady.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I'd met her once before. I knew her son, and
I remember going to one of his parties and she
was there and I just sat in the kitchen and
talked with her. I had no interest in the party.
I'm going to spend time in the kitchen with b Arthur,
look at me.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
So then Larry sees Ben Hogan and Ben Hogan, you know,
the golf grade tells him you're moving your feet. The
sex offender had a good tip for you and you
didn't take a tip. And he's like, come out with me.
I'll show you how it's done. And Larry's like, there's
golf here. He's loving heaven.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Also, he says, there's a lot of courses to choose from.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Right, a lot of courses. And then he says to
the guides, you know, he says, you've been around me
my whole life. What happened with that spin the bottle
game when I was, you know, in fourth grade whatever
that was.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
You heard my wife say I could fool around.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Where do you go? He had to date, is there restaurants?
And if you're the guys, how come you let me
eat those seven pieces of pizza in camp that time?
And Sasha is like, we can't control everything. And then
he's like, then what do I need you? And he's like,
what about going to the bathroom if there's no bathroom here?
Pretty pretty good, and.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Then they're making him crazy, by the way at this point.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, And then he asked about the Soprano DVD cover
and Dustin Hoffins's.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
That's not a system.

Speaker 7 (38:09):
So the system is is that you know you're going
to misplace the DVD, so you get some DVD jackets,
just plain ones, and you have them there in case
you lose.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
That's a system. That's not jackets.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
People most DVDs because they take the cover and they
put it someplace.

Speaker 7 (38:24):
Else, and the people that misplaced the DVDs have extra
DVD jackets.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
That's a system. That's not a system.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Take the DVD, mister, great guy who let me do
that TV guide cover.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
The guides confer and they determine that he's not ready.
He's just not evolved enough to be in this space.
And it's a bad system. And they say goodbye to Larry,
and Maryland's like, where are you going? She was a
very good Maryland look alike.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
By the way, Oh yeah, she's by the way, very
nice lady. Again, everyone's very nice. Who's cool? Who comes work?
By the way, by the way, who? But there's been
a very no one famous, but some of the guest actors.
I'm like, what are you thinking? I want to tell
I've been thinking about whether or not I tell this
story knowing about this episode, and I decided I'm going

(39:19):
to and dussn Hoffman one of my acting heroes. I
love being around him. His kids came that day, I
think two or three kids, so nice, huge fans of
Curb Your Enthusiasm. They asked me in depth questions all that. Now,
when we're filming this scene, Dustin is putting a spin

(39:40):
on everything, like a comedy spin. He's skipping at certain points.
It's just way out of tone. And I remember Larry Charles, Larry, Yeah, Larry,
David and I we conferred as like, what the fuck's
going on? And then I went wait, I've got it,
and I said, his kids are here, they're super fans.

(40:01):
He's never seen the show. Now he's doing it for
his kids, which I used to do. I like Wizards
of Waverley Places show is on. I did it for
my kids and they were a prime age. So he's
doing this for the kids. He thinks it's a TV comedy,
which he doesn't get himself involved in bouncing around, skipping around,
So Larry Charles had to tell him, please don't do

(40:23):
any of that, please play it as straight as again,
and frustration with Larry, which the performance we see on
screen raid on the money fucking beautiful. So I'm at
a party. This was I was fascinated by this, and
I wasn't disappointed in Dustin Hoffmann when we did this.
It just explained why he did it and then he
was great. So I'm at a party and there's a

(40:46):
semi circle around dust and he's talking. I join in
and he gives me a look. I go, you may
not remember me. I'm on Curby Your Enthusiasm, one of
the producers, and he says this to me, which knocked
me off my feet. He says, you're a partner, your
buddy he isn't like when other people are funny.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Oh really, And he.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Went off and he interpreted that note to him happens
by the way, Well, by the way, Larry. Larry wants
everybody exactly and he's not insecure about any of it,
so he keeps going. And I thought, am I going
to get into a fight with Dustin Hoffman right now?
Am I?

Speaker 4 (41:24):
Well?

Speaker 2 (41:24):
No, like you're giving me instructions is if it's happening
right now, or I'm thinking you're going to his house? No,
of course I pulled away, and then I had a
great story for Marlowe You're not going to believe this,
and then a great story for Larry. But it was
interesting that that's how Dustin Hoffman graduate, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
I mean, well, he did play Lenny, but he's not
known for comedies necessarily, but he did play Lenny and Tutsi.
He was hilarious and Tutsy.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
But the reason being is, and I can say this,
his performance in Tutsy is dead serious. He's not trying
to be funny at any time, as we've discussed. I know. Yeah,
but we play drama and comedy the same. It's up
to the writer and the director to guide us. I
just need to know what's going on in the scene,

(42:13):
and then I just use my talk there's no spin,
and the director will say, can you play this one
a little bit angrier? You know what I mean. It's
like they have to help carve it. I can't spin
it and try and make it funny. And the word
Sean Penn. Sean Penn is such a good actor. The
joke is he could read the phone book and be
interesting okay, and be a great actor. I am limited

(42:37):
by what material I'm given. You give me great material.
I can rise to the occasion. You give me bad material,
especially comedy. There's nothing I can do. And they've asked
me to put spins all the time.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
They say, well, you'll make it funny. I can't make
it funny if it's not on the.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Page right or the idea is not there the album.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yeah, I can't make it. Just make it.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
No, you can't. And what did I say to you
before in terms of even us doing the show and
even in my relationship with my girlfriend, when I try
and be funny, it fails. Every time. You look at
me like I'm from another planet and get the fuck
out of here like it, which is true, and I'm
not blaming you. But my point is any time in
my life that I've not trusted the material whatever, and

(43:21):
I've tried to be funny, big failure, including what people say,
can you say birthday wishes to my cousin and I
do it? And in the past I've tried being funny
on that, which I don't anymore. I was not funny
at all.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
We'll be right back. Stay tuned, and we're back. So
I'll tell you my Dustin Hoffmann story after this.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
It does include gentle love making or I'm not interested.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
It does.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
I was not there.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
I didn't meet him, and then I ran into him
on Madison Avenue and he was in a store and
I went over and I introduced myself and he had
no idea who I was because he.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Never watched the show, right so, and he told me
that it goes I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
I thought he would know because he'd been on the show,
but he's like, no, I've never watched the show.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
And he said to me, you know, I'll tell you something.
I did the show and Larry never sent me a gift.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Oh dear god, dear god.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
And I was like, I've done fifty shows and he's
never sent me a gift.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
By the way, by the way, he's one of our
best friends. We were both are really really close with Larry,
and I know I've given him gifts that were completely unappreciated.
I even gave him the first issue of Sport magazine
with what the Yogi bearra on the cover in the

(44:50):
catcher's position. This is from the fifties, signed by Yogi
bearra framed. I gave it to him and we still
joke about, I go, do you know where it is?

Speaker 1 (45:00):
You know what Larry says?

Speaker 3 (45:02):
You know what I always say. The gift he gives
me is what he gives me to do on screen.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Well, by the way, the great gift.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
You say that, but that is one hundred percent true.
I don't think either one of us would go. You know,
he came to He's come to birthday parties of mine
and not brought anything but the fact he shows up,
which is a big deal. They left the house to
come to my house. That's all I need.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
But I found that quite amusing that that that's what
Dustin Hoffin says, he didn't send me a gift. All right,
let's finish this off because we're on a tangent now,
So Larry falls back into reality. They kick him out,
they say, you're not ready for here, and we're all
still arguing. We're in the same Nope, not a lot
of time has passed in our lives. We're still arguing

(45:46):
about the money for the car. And all of a sudden,
beat beat, beat, beat back. He feels the Gallagher sees
the beeps. He's back.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
He feels his head.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
He's still bald, so he's really back.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
And then, which, by the way, that I think that
would have been a good out, correct.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
I agree with you. And then there's balloons and flowers.
Don't anybody ever sem me balloons? I hate the fucking balloons.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Well, balloons and flowers. It's flowers, it's the thought balloons
kiss my ass. Yeah, So as to hire a guy
to come to balloon animals.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Might be more fun.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
But by the way, that and a closed up magician.
I'd love being in the hospital. And there's a close
up magician, there.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Might be somebody who goes around doing that as a volunteer,
like Larry claimed that he did.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
So Larry's packing. Do you even notice of people in movies?

Speaker 1 (46:34):
They never fold. They close when they pack, and Cheryl's
smiling at him and you know she's in love with
him again. And he wants to get the sex clearance
from the doctor and she says, do you feel different?
And he says, I'm a changed man. I'm a completely
different person. And the nurse comes with a wheelchair, the
orderly Craig Robinson, and he wants to use the bathroom

(46:56):
and he realizes he's in the wheelchair. He could use
the handicapped bathroom. It's locked.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Guy comes out of the bathroom who's able bodied.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Well, by the way, that's Wally Langham.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Wally Langham, can I explain to Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Wally Langham is best, by the way, a lot of
work and a lot of different things. I've worked with
them many times. Were pals, but best known for being
one of the writers on the Larry Sanders show. Okay
he played Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, why not go?

Speaker 1 (47:22):
And Wally Langham comes out and he's clearly not handicapped
and he's like, well, I have to go to the
bathroom and Larry says, then you wait, then you wait.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I didn't get that by what's in a call? Back.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
That was call back to the handicapped bathroom thing, which
was not even in this season.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
I don't think. I think that was in the season before.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
I mean he goes in, I mean I would have
liked to a little joke that he goes in wearing
some sort of jacket and before he goes to the
bathroom he takes it off and hands it to Sheryl.
But I didn't get the ending.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yes, this was like not this season.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
It was the season before or the season before that,
with the handicap bathroom and the guy system. Then you
wait with the stutter. Remember then he tries to use
the handicap bathroom, he says he is a stutter.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
No, that's a guy in the parking lot.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Then you wait because the stutter when the people.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Say, right the Funkhouser testimonial, because the other guy said,
then you wait. I thought it was a reach.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
You didn't even get it, and it's your show the way.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
I did not remotely get it. And I'm like, this
is a callback to one of the handicap things. It
was done, It was done it two or three times
with people in wheelchairs.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Yeah, but it was a callback and it was a
reach of a callback.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
We're not supposed to say handicapped, and I want to
respect it. What is it? Yes, it's a what is
the term again?

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Well, just no, I'll say the wrong term.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
I'll say the wrong term whatever I say.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
No, no, but I'm saying publicly, I apologize. And this
is not political correctness, you know, with political correctness. To me,
it's about respect. What do people want to be called?
You know, if you identify as a sailor, I'll give
you a salute. I'll do the whole thing. I'm respectful
to people. So I just want to say that I
don't regularly use that.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
The funniest use of that was with Fred. That's like
season nine or ten or something with Fred with the parking.
That was fucking hilarious.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
But here's what I want to say. This is we're
done with the episode, but I want to point something
out and maybe you forgot this. Episodes called the end,
Larry dies, he comes back and back to usual business.
This was supposed to be the last episode of the
series of the series of the series, and so when
we went out of this, two thoughts about this. By

(49:36):
the way, when we went out of this, I thought
I mean, I knew the intent. We discussed it. It
wasn't like and called the end and all the stuff
that happened, the show was supposed to end there. Well,
then at some point shortly thereafter, he gets a great idea.
You know, he's inspired. I'm not never doing the show
for the money we get paid, but it's not like

(49:58):
that's why we're doing it. We're doing it because this
is what we do, you know. And so he gets
this great idea and boom, we're off to the races again.
But this was designed and supposed to be the last
episode of the series, and it's ironic we did seven
more season, seven more after this. But I also want
because later on when he falls in the pool, everybody thought, well,

(50:22):
that was supposed to be it, like you know, and
I'm like, no, that was never the intense like it's
just sort of mixed things. Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
I also the other interesting thing also is that montage
wrap up. We've now done that several times.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
No, we have, But it made sense when you knew,
is what I'm saying. When it come back to it
that it's the last episode ever supposedly, And the other
thing I want to say is the hospital scenes. Was
the longest day I have ever worked. And if I'm
not mistaken, I'm not part of the crew. I wasn't
in every scene, but you know, I'm behind the scenes.

(50:56):
My day, my day, and it's the last day of shooting,
so we could do this seventeen hours.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
That was my You know what I recall eighteen hours, Jeff,
is what I mean. Maybe I'm wrong, I recall eighteen hours.
And really, but you know, we shot like, for example,
that scene where you guys run into George Lopez, which
is two episodes before this, we shot that that day.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
The scene of Shelley in the in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
We shot so much that day in the hospital that
were from different different episodes.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Like Lewis Lewis.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
I mean, yeah, all that stuff was shot that day
in the hospital. Yeah, it was eighteen hours.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Eighteen hour days. Now, for our listeners, you're lucky if
you get an eight hour day. A ten hour day
is the usual.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
And I think it's twelve hour day is the usual.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Well, no, I think ten hours is if you're working
with people who know what they're doing. Twelve hours it
can happen sometimes, and then everything after that is crazy
long later.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
However, when you do our episodic, that's the kind of
days you do. You do sixteen seventeen eighteen hour day.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
And by the way, there's no off weeks.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, when you're.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Shooting law and Orders and things like that, you're doing
really well.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
When people have days off because they don't work, they
don't work. But I don't think it's that long eighteen
hour days. I think it might be twelve to fourteen.
Oh hear this. I'm gonna tell you a little story
that goes like this. The show Friends, I don't think
later on they didn't. And I know I'm friendly with
a lot of the friends, Okay, And I did Mad

(52:28):
About You with what's her name name the friend.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Ladies, Jennifer Aniston, Lisa Kudro.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Lisa Kudro. So, Lisa Krudrou, like myself, was a recurring character.
I'm mad about You, So we'd.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Can I just ask a question?

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Was Mad about You multi or single?

Speaker 1 (52:45):
No?

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Multi?

Speaker 3 (52:45):
It was multi LT.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
So I'm in the kitchen, we're filming to see in
the kitchen and I'm in at Lisa. I'm in the
kitchen talking to her and she said when they film
Friends that they would work till one two in the morning,
and she isn't every show like you know, I'm like, no,
that's horrible, that's uncalled for, that's insane. If you start

(53:07):
shooting at eight eleven is a long shoot. I mean
that's nuts, two to three hours more because that's exhausting
and pickups question one day. But I remember them, she
told me later on, they said they got together, the
negotiated no more of that. Here's the level.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
But the difference with a multi and a single is
a multi you just have one long day in a single.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Camera you could have rehearsal.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
It's a single camera. You could have many long days
where it's a multi camera in front the audience.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
But you're shooting probably about seven and if you're not
done by ten, that's just and ten's a long night
and you're out there doing it.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
It's very It's the writers on a multi who have
the long nights the night before no, right, Well, of.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Course writers always have the longest nights. I'm not talking
about I'm talking about his actors. Yeah, because you know,
if even filming one scene on our ship, you really
have to take a minute to get your energy because
it's exhausting Okay, how about this one, and we can
end on this whenever you want to. When I did Wally,
for example, the Pixtar movie, and I worked three years

(54:12):
on it, but I have these sessions that were like
three hours and I'm just reading words from a page.
I'm alone. The director will give me notes and it
said me and a microphone, none of the other actors. Okay.
And when I was done, I felt like I just
played a football game in pads.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
I was.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Like that, like, I, you know, whatever, I've done Disney
movie two hours? Two hours? Is it for me?

Speaker 3 (54:39):
I after two hours, I have no energy.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
People would think, And by the way, if you're really
working it and you're really acting on the situation, do
in voice over work in a good movie like a
Pixtar movie or a Disney movie, fucking exhausting. I mean,
I was shocked ause I thought this will be fun.
I'll read it. Don't learn any long.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
It fun though, I love Oh no no, But I'm.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Not saying it wasn't fun. But it was tiring.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Well, what's also tiring is you're not acting with anybody.
You're not getting energy off of another actor and interacting.
It's just you in the booth doing your lines, and
I find that more exhausting than when you're working with
other people.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
And here's a last piece of trivia about that. The
most distinct thing about me, and I know this in
terms of people, is hearing my voice. Now. My voice
the last twenty minutes of recording Wally, and I didn't
know I I Since then, I've had voice lessons because
I lost my voice. To learn how to do I

(55:41):
had to scream. My character had to scream and scream
and yell and react and blah blah blah blah. So
I burnt out my throat so bad that after from beginning,
before Wally and after Wally, my voice completely changed.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
You know, it's complete.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Early on you watched the earlier up, so it's my
voice is much smoother, and now I have this hoarseness
to it that does not go away, it doesn't hurt.
But from Wally my voice has become very distinct.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
You know what I remember doing Bolt, I had a
lot of running scenes, So there was a lot of
scenes where I just had to do. It sounded like
porn because I just had to do like ah, like
be out of breath and just like all these like
over and over and over.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
It was just like porn who played opposite you and Bolt?

Speaker 1 (56:28):
It was somebody called John Travolta and John Miley Cyrus
Miley Cyrus.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Did you spend any time with Travolta.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
No, that's what I'm saying. You don't meet, You do
it all by yourself. I met him at the premiere, but.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Yeah, I was at the premiere.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I was at You don't act with other people when
you're generally some some do, but you generally don't act
with other people. You just record.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
And did you have a conversation with him or just agree?

Speaker 5 (56:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah, Yeah, we had a little conversation. You know, we
were we were a dog and a cat together. Of
course we had.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
But it's John Travolta, who you know, he had. He
was the hottest actor in Hollywood, big gigantic star. He
kind of faded and then he came back, resurrected by
pulp fiction. Yeah, and he hasn't not that they're all
great movies, but he has not stopped working. He's not
a great after pulp Yeah, I mean Harrison movie. Yeah,

(57:20):
he's John fucking Travolta, That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
And he could dance just as good as he wants.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
And with that, we're gone.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Oh yeah for season five. We're done, so.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
We'll see you next season. Yeah bye, everybody bye. The
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