S5 Ep. 8 - “The Ski Lift”

Jeff and Susie discuss “The Ski Lift” from Season 5.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Jeff, Yes, here we are.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm Jeff Garland and you're Susie Sman. Oh no, Susie Smen.
You're Jeff Garland.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
And this is I love that you corrected it, like
you went in for the correct like people, Wait a minute,
that's a woman's name, and all right, whatever.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
A boy named Sue? Season five, episode eight.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Do you know that song? I know, you know it's
a Johnny Cash song. Yeah, but do you know that song?
Which is a great song. It's about a guy who
had all these trouble being named Sue, and then he
gets get into a fight with a guy at a
bar and it turns out to be his dad who
named him Sue, and then they make amends and they
move on. But it's really funny. It's a great song, and.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
This is a great episode. Yes, how's that segue? This
episode is near perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I think it's.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Deftly an all time favorite with great cast people.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
And Larry has told me it just very well might
be his favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
To be in real time. He texted you this morning
you told.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Him yes, and told me yes, and he told me
that and he is in particular no in this episode.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
David Hall of Fame performance so funny, by the way,
each of us have, all four of us have really
strong moments in this all four of us. Yes, but
Larry as the Orthodox Jew, are you kidding me? And
there was one phrase that I caught him up. I
remember what it was, but I knew Larry knew, but

(02:00):
it was so believable. Yeah, I mean, And this.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Was directed by Larry Charles this episode. And we start
out that Larry is with Richard Lewis at his bedside,
and Lewis is, of course in black silk pajamas.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
You know, I love that he's like in black silk pajamas.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
And Lewis says to him, you look fantastic, and Larry, well,
I was never a drug addict or an alcoholic. I
never slept with a lot of strange women, although I
would have liked to. But like he's digging it into
Lewis it's kind of mean, you know, because Lewis was
a drug addict and an alcoholic and all that kind
of stuff. And Lewis says, are you're gonna give me
the kidney knot? And Larry says, well, what about Louis Lewis,

(02:42):
who is still in a coma? And Richard Lewis says,
you know, coma's a unpredictable and I'm so low on
the kidney transplant list that there's a list for getting
an organ donor. And Lewis is very, very very low,
and he says, look at look at the Mick, and
he shows a picture of Richard Lewis with Mickey Mantle,
because Mickey Mantle got a liver transplant. If you re right,

(03:05):
I do yes, And he would, you know, because he
was Mickey Mantle.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
He got the liver immediately. He didn't have to wait
on a list.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
And there's a ball in front and Mickey Mantle got
his liver boom, and Larry says to Lewis, well, if
you were a bigger celebrity, you'd probably go.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Up on the list.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
So he's really being kind of mean to Lewis, but
it's funny and Richard says, to see that ball, that's
the mix five hundredth home run, and it's in my will,
it's yours, and it's worth around twenty grand.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
And we see the nurse in the background listening to
all this in.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
All sincerity, Mickey Mantle's five hundred home run ball at
that point, in that time, that would probably be worth
three hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, now, way more. I mean
probably ten million dollars. I'm to a collector that probably, oh, oh,
come on, it's the Yankees. There's two quintessential Yankees oh three.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Four Choe Tamagi, Babe Ruth, Babe.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Ruth, Georgia Maja, Luke Carrig and Mickey Mickey Mannal yeah,
and so Mickey Mantle's five under the home run ball.
I'm sorry if you're a Yankee fan, which they're the
most popular team in all of baseball. They're also the
probably the least part they're just by the way, I
have so much respect for the Yankees, and I'm sorry

(04:21):
that I know that's your favorite team. Not this season, well,
the Cubs. This year was kind of heartbreaking, but I'm
used to that with the Cubs. Although it was a
great accomplishment this year, it's not called Baseball Talk with
Susie and Jeff anyhow, Yeah, you never know how high
that ball could go. It could go up to like
fifty million. Let's say you're a billionaire and you love

(04:44):
Mickey Mantle and the Yankees, and to you then where
would you stop? Where would you stop? Ya?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
So what's it to you?

Speaker 1 (04:51):
So the nurse is in the background overhearing this discussion
about the ball and how much it's worth. And then
I love this moment where Lewis says, do the mick
running around the basis and Larry does that little run
that he does, which is his invitation, which is great.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
I love when real relationship stuff comes into play, right now.
I make Larry do things that kill me all the time,
and a lot of them make it into the show.
And that's one between Larry and Richard that they've laughed
about for hours, and here it is in the show.
And by the way, so damn funny, so damn funny.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
So funny.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, and then Larry says to Richard, do you like
this sweater? And Richard says, if you're doing an Andy
William summer show, which is such a Lewis line.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Oh, that is such a Lewis line. You say, such
a Lewis line. There's only two people who did humor
like that, okay, where they would do the reference that
hipsters would get. Lenny Bruce Richard Lewis list stops there. Yeah,
because I'm pretty good at it. But these guys, you know,

(05:55):
I mean home Richard Lewis when he says like I
for that moment, there is nothing, as far as I
have concerned, there's nothing funnier Richard Lewis saying it's not
just Andy Williams, It's Summer Special Special exactly.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
It's the detail. It's the detail that's that's what you
can't teach. That's what is just in Richard Lewis's crazy
comedic brand.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
You know, as time goes on. He's always been a
hero of mine since I'm a kid. But I appreciate
his comedy more and more and more and more all
the time. It really I gotta tell him that. Well,
he knows I love him and he's a he means
the world to me, both off stage and on. But

(06:41):
I'm going to tell him that because his comedy, especially on.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
This show, well, when we were when we were coming up,
you know, Richard Lewis was like a king.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Well remember Carnegie Hall.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, he sold that Carnegie Hall in nineteen eighty nine.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Ask him now, if you're a tickety tech I love
saying it wrong, a TikTok person. You could sell out
a week at Carnegie Hall.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
But you know who cares those days? It was different?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
No, yeah, well of course, and all those days everything's over.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
But when when I was coming up, you know, Richard
was no, I mean heed it, he was it.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
And then he became one of these stars that came
out Jane Lenno, the other from Late Night with David Letterman. Look,
Richard Lewis was always a big deal, but once he
started doing the Letterman Show, he became an actual star.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, yeah, star.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
So, and now we get to call him friend, which
is lovely.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
I really I can't believe it.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Still, I'm going to actually call him when we're done
and tell him how we were raving about him.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
And by the way, he enjoys that more than mister
Richard Lewis.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
And Lewis says to Larry, I love you, Larry Man.
If my cousin stays in that coma, I'm depending on you.
And you just cut to Larry's face, which is just
pure terror, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
And he's in the hallway of Lewis's house. He's leaving.
And Lisa, who is the nurse who is played by
Mo Collins.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
And Mo Collins fucking awesome. Yeah, she's just great and the.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Love terrific actress.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
And she says that was nice of him to give
you the ball, and then she tells Larry that she
used to date Jeff.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
You have a good time with him, well until things
got you know, intimate, it was fun, you know, he was.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
He's kind of a slam bam, thank you, ma'am kind
of guy.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Right, No, not really at all. No slamming, no bamon,
no thanking the mam. She was a little it was
short lived, was the problem.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
He was like that.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
I mean it was dark, but honest to god, it
was like that.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
What are you kidding?

Speaker 4 (08:46):
No, I'm not kidding, Jeff. Yeah, very small, very small.
It's like a peanut, that little.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Very you know. Wait, way too much information here, Okay.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
I actually thought you would have known that.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Can I know such a thing.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
I just would think that the something that friends men
would talk about.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Nobody ever talks about that.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
She says it was very short lived.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
And then she does this, she holds up her fingers
for people who can't see that are just listening into
like an inch mode, which is the symbol for very
small penis. Yes, and she's like, I thought you would
have known, which is bizarre.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Why would he not? Yes, if Jeff has a small penis?

Speaker 1 (09:23):
And next thing we know, Jeff and Larry are sitting
on either side of Louis Lewis's Okay Cooma bed to
start this.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Scene being one of the most popular scenes in the
history of the show, Okay, I would say, that's my
number one of people coming up to me asking me
to do that in pictures, we'll get to it. But
as you're a fan, you know what it is. But
the idea that Larry and I are sitting and having
a conversation on either side of the bed, not even

(09:54):
acknowledging the guy who's in a coma between us, Lewis Lewis,
So that's set up A yeah, is already a home run.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Even it's a visual that's very funny.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Even if we just ent a regular conversation, the scene's funny.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
But then so Jeff says, you know, comes run partictable,
and Larry says, hey, I ran into uh Louis's nurse Lisa,
and she said she had a thing with you. And
then Larry tells you that she told me that you had,
you know, this big, a very small penis, and Jeff
immediately gets offended, as he should, and says.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
No, no, no, big vagina, gigantic vagina? What big is
vagina known to man? Huge? You're kidding? Are you telling
me the truth? It's gigantic, gigantic.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
So why is she going around making this.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Is because maybe she's afraid that you'll find out she
has a big vagina. Why would you even do that?
I don't even know nipping it in the bud? How
dare she? I'll tell you what. I bet you there's
a ton of guys out there who've been labeled with
small penis. I bet your fifty percent, isn't it? And
it's a big vagina, yeh? Think of it biologically?

Speaker 5 (10:57):
Why should they be as many big vaginas as there
are small?

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Right? These big vagina ladies are getting away with murder.
See this is the thing about impro But this is
the thing about improvising when you're really being true to it.
I put zero thought into what I was going to
do with my hands, you know what I mean. There
was no like what do I do? Or it says
in the script Jeff makes a v or there's nothing

(11:24):
about it. And then in the moment, no, it didn't
say that, didn't say it in the outline, but in
that moment, especially because I'm playing worked up, and if
you listen to last recording you can see I can
get worked up. It was just boom and then both
my hands like a giant vagina, and then Larry repeating
it back to me, back and forth. And it introduced

(11:47):
something to the zeitgeist. And I'm not I'm talking about
Larry's writing. If you will, Yes, people come up to
me with the big vagina hands, and I'm talking about
now it's slowed down to once or twice a month,
but it used to be once every few days. Well
you know, has it? But the premise of because small
penises have always been a small penis, small penis. But

(12:10):
you never hear big vagina. Now we never hear big
At his desk as he's writing this goes I mean,
at first, I don't know what small penis, how it
came into his mind or whatever, or if he's searching,
but then it occurs to him, No, big vagina. That
alone is what I'm talking about Zeitgeist. Because every man said, yeah,

(12:31):
one about that?

Speaker 1 (12:33):
What about then you two go into it, you two
like fifty percent labeled small penises might just be the
big vagina, and why shouldn't there be as many big
vaginas as small penises? And you say, these big vagina
ladies are getting away with murder and they ate.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Larry's like, they love this, they love this, the.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Small penises and from now on on this yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
This from now with the v in the hands.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
And then the doctor enters and the doctor tells him
that he's on to him. It's the same doctor that
we saw last episode. I'm on to you, mister David.
You're waiting for this man to die so that you
don't have to give mister Lewis the kidney, by the way.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
And Larry's like, pretty good work. No, no, no, no, you
got me.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
First, he denies it. Why would you say something like that?
He goes, you know, the doctor goes, no, I know it,
and then Larry just there's a beat and he goes, hey,
good work, good work, you're right work. And then he
turns to me to be impressed with the doctor, like,
did you see the good work he did? Very fun.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, yeah, we'll be right back.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Stay tuned, and we're back.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
And then you ask if he and Cheryl want to
go skiing with us because you rented a chalet, and
he's like, no, it's too much of a schlep. No, no, no, no,
And then both of you see George Lopez in the
hall of the hospital. Yes, and George Lopez did in
fact have a kidney transplant in real life.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yes, yes, yes. By the way, his wife at the
time gave him her kidney and Lopez gave him her kidney. Yes,
which I say is the ultimate of giving. Yes, the
only thing I would be a heart transplant, but that
would mean one of you were dead, even the one you.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Can live with just one kidney. So yeah, ladies.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
And gentlemen, we only have one heart.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Only one heart.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Keep it up. Hold on, I've got a message.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Some people's are large.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
No, keep it open and keep it warm. What if
I close everyone of my stand up shows with that?
Ladies and gentlemen, You know we all have one heart.
Let's keep him open and keep them warm. Good night, everybody.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Well, do you know what I always hated when a
comedian would apologize, you know what, we kid because we
love or whatever they would say.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
I always porch belt, and actually.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
I hated it.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
No. The only guy who did it that I just
love the way he did it was Rickles, because Rickless
would talk about we love each other people, and then
he would sing a song like a ballad of some sort. Yeah,
and I love that and and by the way.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
That's fine for him. I never felt like I wanted
to apologize.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no you it would be false.
I like ending with gratitude for them, because now especially
I actually thanked the audience for even leaving their homes.
Forget that they came to see me to congratulate them
on leaving their homes. You know. But there was a
guy in Chicago who used to say, everybody, you know,

(15:38):
as I liked, I swear, this was his ending every time,
and of course every comedian made fun of it. Everybody, hey,
thanks for coming to night. And as I always say, live, love, laugh,
and that was his closer every time, And of course
moments before he closed. Comedians would run into the room
to watch him do it to hear yes, it was fun.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Because comedians are mean in a good way.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
So George Lopez tells him he feels great, and you
guys say, Louis is at the bottom of the list,
and he Lopez says, if somebody's got to step up,
if you're at the bottom of the list, your fuck.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
But then he gives the information that there's a guy
who's the head of the Kidney Consortium, which is such
a thing as the Kidney Consort.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
By the way, how funny you say that, because when
we were doing the scene that was a big topic
of discussion with us of like what we consortium? Can
you know I don't remember it was in the script
or how should George it's consortium if I believe.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
I don't know, But anyway, he said, George says, there's
a guy who's the head of the kidney Foundation and
he could be gotten to so you should buddy up
to him, kiss his ass. His name is Ben Heineman.
And then Larry's at home and Omar Jones is there,
and he asked, Larry says, can you get me some
information on this guy? Ben Heinemann and Cheryl enters and
she meets Omar for the first time, and Omar closes

(16:59):
his at shadcase with the handcuffs in it, and he leaves,
and Cheryl bought Larry a new ski jacket and Larry
tries it on and Cheryl says, you could wear it
when we go skiing with Susie and Jeff, and Larry says, no,
I don't want to go.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
I don't want to go too much.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Schlepping, and then he's Larry sees a bag, a plastic
bag that Omar left and it's edible undies in the
bag and he goes running out to give it to Omar,
but he's missed him, so he just stuffs it in
the ski jacket.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Can see it.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Try the ski jacket, he guess.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
I want I want to say about this. If this
were the only funny thing in the episode, it's worth
the journey. There's so many gems through this episode that
it's kind of hard to believe. And also to set
up edible underwear for something that happens later. And also
what I love about it is Omar Jones the way

(17:49):
we've estabbed edible underwear, but again I buy that, like
I'm going on the journey with that.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
He's a religious man. Yes, you know we've established Oh.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Wait, I'm always complaining about this, this and this, like
bongos in Larry's bedroom what have you? But this, I
buy this is all good. Like I don't think what's
he doing? Like you never know? But still loved it.
Keep going.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
So he puts the box in his coat pocket.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
And then Larry's in his office on the phone with
Omar Jones and he's finding out about Hyneman. He's a
Yankee fan, he's an Orthodox Jew. He's got a gold Cadillac.
He gives him the plate number, and you walk in
and you guys try to figure out how are you
gonna befriend this Ben Heineman And Larry's if I could
save his life, like for example, if you, Jeff push

(18:39):
him off the roof and I save his life, And you're.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Like, at what point?

Speaker 1 (18:43):
At no point does he ask you about the fat
guy who pushed you off the roof, you know, But
I was like, oh, not that, not that version.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Larry makes it easy for me. We throw each other softballs. Now,
his softball to me is unintentional, whereas he he hats
the scenario, having no way idea what I'm going to
say back. But all I have to do every time
is just question what he just said the logic. Speaking
of logic, all I do is question what he just said.

(19:13):
And it's funny. So he does that for me every time,
and for me, I will say things where I know
where he's gonna go with it, and it's fun. I'm
just obviously it's fun. But he makes it easy for
me to have those moments with him. He sets you
up well unintentionally because you know normally, but you know

(19:36):
I do.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
I do think though, Jeff, that you know and I
notice it, you know more in the later seasons. We've
been doing this together, all of us for so long
that we read each other's minds. I mean, there's a
dialogue of the unconscious going on at all times.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I think one one of the best ones I ever
did was him with the dishes in the water, and
I say, you have special hands. You don't remember that
you were in the scene.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I'm trying to remember it.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, well I got it, but but I just tell him,
what do you have special hands? Something about him and
dishes and hot water and the owl keep going oh.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do remember that.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
And then we see Larry comes up with an idea,
but we don't hear what it is. We just cut
to you guys are in a parking lot looking for
the cadillac. Now, of course this doesn't make sense. How
would you know where the guy's cadillac was unless it's
his place of work or something.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
June set us up, but good.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Set us up, okay, And we see the first attempt,
you smash into the tailgate and it's nothing. Nothing happens,
and then you get out of the car because you
don't want to stay in the car and get whiplash.
You tell him to try again and he gives it
a good smash this time in the airbit goes off
and he's all full of crap all over his face
and you have to pull him out of the car.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
We shot that's a Pacific Design Center. Very interesting buildings, yes,
but we shot that bag exploding. Oh my god, with
Larry with the powder. He's such a sport with all
this ship. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
How many times did you shoot that? Probably just once
or twice more than that really.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
And then at a certain point all we had to
do was have the thing already blown up and Larry
getting out. But it was it was that was difficult
to shoot.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, well, it's a lot of choreography for that kind
of a thing, you know. And then we see that
Larry leaves a note on the windshield of the Cadillac.
And next week cut to again pleasant music and where
is He's Deli?

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Which no longer exists as far as I know.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Right, it was a centemon.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
It was also a regular deli, but we've created an
orthodox deli. And then Larry comes.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
In and Larry, Larry's wearing a like a short sleeve
striped shirt, which is not his style at all.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Also tucked in, tucked in.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Tucked in.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah, And and he walks in and he's you know,
s Ben, And all of a sudden he has this
accent which is like, I don't know what the fuck
it is.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's the funniest thing I've ever heard of my life. Mister, mister,
how are you, sir?

Speaker 5 (22:09):
What a great, great pleasure to meet you.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
It's nice to meet you.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
It doesn't have that sit down please, thank you.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
I'm sorry, I'm I'm a little late you.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, what a misfit it was for you?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
To leave that note on my car. Well, how could
I do anything less than that.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
I'd have to be a sociopath to hit somebody's car
and then and then go away into the night as
if nothing happened.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
What happened? I was listening to Jewish radio and they
were talking about Israel, and I got so worked up
I lost control of my car.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
May offer you so much, please, Marty Manus, Please it's
kosh if you know that.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
Oh, say wait a second, hello, no, no, no, no, no, uh,
thank you, thank you for that invitation. But I cannot
go to the baseball game on the Sabbath. I'm sorry,
it's impossible. I'll take a rain check. However, Oh okay.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
He didn't know what the accent was gonna be until
he opened his mouth.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I guarante did it.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
That's the point about improv You cannot prepare. And I've
already told stories of Richard Lewis writing stuff down on
a card and like sticking it where the sugar is
at a table, and then Larry or I pulling it away,
him getting pissed. But he's so much better, you know,
being in the moment.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Ben Heineman is played by Stuart Penkin.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Stuart Penkin very funny actor, delightful man. But when I
was a kid, he was in a movie called Hollywood
Knights with Michelle Pfeiffer, Robert Wooll, Tony Danza, and he
played this nerdy guy who to me was the funniest
thing in the movie.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
He's brilliant as Ben Heineman.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Oh he really is, no, no brilliant, you know.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
So they introduced themselves and Ben speaks some Hebrew, to
which Larry's response was, he's just clearly does not know
what the hell he's talking about.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
But not only that, he doesn't put a big spin
on it. He doesn't lightly so you wouldn't notice.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
And then he goes into this whole story.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
I'd have to be a sociopath to have just walked away.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
I was listening to Jewish radio.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
I got so worked off by lost control of the car.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Jewish radio.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yes, and then Ben, very gracious, can I offer you
some lunch?

Speaker 2 (24:44):
It's kosher?

Speaker 3 (24:45):
By the way, forget that Larry wrote the episode. Okay,
his performance in this episode top the bottom.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
I mean fantastic.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
I mean it's this may be his best performance in
the history of the show. I think it could be.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
It could be.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
And then Larry's phone rings and he's like, excuse me
a minute, a little flip vote. I cannot go to
the baseball game on the sabbath. And then you know,
because he knows the guy's a Yankee fan, and that
Ben Heineman tells him he watches television on the sabbath
and Jeff.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
You're not looking.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Larry goes like this, then some more fake heep brew yes,
and then Ben says, there's two things that I love,
by the way, stuffed back.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
By the way, Larry loved the scene with you and
him on the couch with the yeah. But later you
have seen he loved how much it made me laugh
like he was. He was so happy that he was
destroying me, destroying money. No, but I mean I would
approach the table, you know when usually notes are given whatever,

(25:53):
with tears in my eyes. And it just thrilled him that.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
He killed me just so I wasn't here. So but
it was just so funny.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
We'll be right back, stay tuned, and we're back, and
then Ben says, there's two things in my life that
I love besides family, I love baseball and I love skiing.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
And Larry's like, oh my yammacka almost fill off.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
I have a little ski lodge and he invites Ben
to your ski lodge. This scene is just it's fantastic.
Larry is with Lisa. He Lewis is with Lisa and
he says, I spoke to her mutual friend. I mentioned
the small penis and Lisa says, was he upset? And
Larry says rather. He says, rather it was with your
big vagina and he does the hand gesture again huge.

(26:47):
You blame it on the small penis and you've got
a huge vagina.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
And then he's talking to Lewis. This guy's ahead of
the whole thing. He's gonna go skiing with me. He's
a huge Yankee fan. Let me give him the mantle
ball and Lewis is like, are you out of your mind?
And then they notice that the ball is missing and
Larry looks for it. It's not behind the cabinet, nothing, and
he says, who's been here? And Louis says, you know,
just the nurse, a few friends. And Louis says, I

(27:11):
see her leaving in the same uniform. There's no pockets
or anything. She couldn't have taken the ball, and Larry
starts thinking unless and then Lisa enters the nurse and
he's like the Mickey Mantle ball is missing, and he says,
can a ball worth in the excess of twenty thousand
dollars just disappear? And then she says, Jim, what are
you driving at? And then he does his Perry Mason

(27:33):
and he pulls his glasses off.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
I'll tell you what I'm driving at.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
I submit, you took that baseball, stashed it and you're
unusually large vagina and walk right on out of here.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
So the way he plays this is like a great
detective who's waited for this moment. Yeah to say in
the parlor, in that he's sitting here, Cliro, he's barrow.
And again the performance like this to me is Larry
my favorite Larry David performance in this episode. Everything he

(28:06):
does destroys me in this episode.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
And you're usually large vagina, it kills me.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
I agree, And Lewis's face is just you know, priceless
there and then we cut to dinner at our house.
It's the four of us having dinner at our house. Cheryl, Larry,
Jeff and Susie and Larry says, have you seen my
cell phone? He asks Cheryl, So we've established that his
cell phone is gone. And then we start discussing skiing,
and all of a sudden, Larry's wants to go skiing,
and I'm excited because Cheryl and I are going to

(28:34):
go snowboarding, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
And then Larry says, I hope you don't mind, but
I've invited an.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Orthodox Jew and his daughter, and I'm just like, what
even Orthodox jewice? Just some random Orthodox Jew? And he
tells us he's head of the Kidney Consortium. And I
just say, let's just be clear. You know, do you
want to get Lewis up on the list and you
want to go get out of you having to give
him the kidney? And I don't, I don't know to
spend the weekend with these people. And Larry goes into

(28:59):
a complete a queen scene, but he.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Says, the cut the cutting, and I loved it. But
that's not the worst part.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Boom now.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
And what's interesting what I recall Jeff is in that
scene we played out the whole thing where he told
me I was going to have to play his.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Wife and we went through that.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Remember that, Yeah, So we went through that whole thing,
but it's better that it was cut where it.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Was, Oh, that's an effiicient cut. But you know what's
funny to me, and I'm just noticing this now, is
when you're quoting yourself, Yeah, you just are playing the
part again. You're just like you're recreating what actually happened
in the episode.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yes, exactly, but yeah, so originally we had gone through
a whole thing where he tells us that I have
to play his wife because he can't have the shiksa
you guysha wife Cheryl. But that was cut, and that
was a great cut. I remember when I first saw
it, it was like, oh, that was smart. That was a
really good cut. And we cut to the chalet and
there we are sitting on a couch. I got some

(30:01):
schmatta on my head and Larry has his arm around me,
and I'm like, looking at it, it's like, you know,
get your fucking hands off me, and you and Cheryl
are a couple, and Larry and I are a couple,
and I sitting on the.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Couch the least believable as Cheryl and I. Well, now
like if you don't know and you're watching the show,
which of these people are couples. They would pick you
and Larry and they would definitely want to say you.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
And why not? What I disagree with that?

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Well, for our viewers, there are many reasons.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Larry says, she's a wonderful cook, my susie, and he
puts his arm around me. And then Rachel asked how
we met, and I say, at a Hillel function.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Now, let me tell you this. I had no idea
what Hillel is.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I just pulled that word out of my head that
I heard it somewhere.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
It's it's the Jewish groups on.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
The college campuses. But I did not know that when
I said that.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
So when she came back and she said, oh, so
you met in college, I was like, oh, okay, I
guess so. Because I didn't know what Hillel was. I
just knew that it was an organization, so I just
said hello. And then Larry starts talking about that he
was in a band and he sang Jewish folk songs
and Rachel, oh, let's say, we didn't even Rachel is
played by Ariese Barr.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
We didn't even say that yet.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Reese Barr is a wonderfully talented comedic actress. She did
that whole series where she played Svetlana, which was a
Russian prostitute.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
But by the way, she lives in Israel.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
She back and forth.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
She lives part of the time in Israel and part
of the time in New York in la but really
really funny. She does a lot of one person shows
and a lot of different characters, so she's playing very
talented and she's playing Rachel. She says, so, what songs
did you sing? And Larry says, Noel Fish, hold.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
On sing here. When he says, Larry, David and the hipsters,
well that's later.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
That comes up first.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
He says, the song skaffilter fish blues. My freaking back
is killing me and it's making it hard to covel.
And then Cheryl says, what was the name of your band?

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Which, by the way, I had hold on hold on
though I had to have whispered that to her, because
that's like my relationship with Larry, like the way of
giving him a home run ball. That's why I know
for sure I would wager everything I owned that I
wish to ask him what the name of the band was,

(32:26):
because you know, there's no by the way, you know, Cheryl,
there's no way she's going to ask that. She's my
mouthpiece on that one. And then of course he says
Larry David and the Hipsters. Now in the show, it
cuts to me Cheryl and I nodding.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Like yeah, uh huh.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Where in reality in that moment, the minute Larry David
and the Hipsters comes out of his mouth and I
do not break. I exploded. I could not, do you remember?
I just I was what's the working? That is it
inconsolable when you're laughter too? But I could not.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I don't think it's inconsolable. But there's another word.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, yeah, I just exploded Larry David and then the
hiking Hipsters, And.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Then of course the hipsters went out on their own
and became quite successful.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
And he just became Larry David.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
By the way, again, Larry, there's a term and improv
explore in heighten, which means whatever anyone gives you, embrace
it and then say something else that lifts it, and
you go back and forth. And of course the hipsters
went out on their own and they were very successful. Again,
I explode with laughter and it's delayed.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
And none of that. The hipsters the gefilter fish. But
none of that was planned. That was all in the moment.
I'm just letting our audience know that. You know that,
But I'm letting our audience know that.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah. But also part of the reason Larry laughs so
much and breaks on the show is because he sits
and he writes this, and then when it's actually happening,
it tickles him, especially when somebody takes the ball and
runs with it, you know, and it's a soccer game
in his head, which is strange in a lot of touchs.
I don't know, you.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Did chuckle at that, you lose it, And then I
say I was not attracted to him. I felt sorry
for him. I had Rachmuna's pity. I taken stray animals.
And Ben says, you remind me of my wife. All
of a sholom, now, all of a sholem is like
rest in peace is what that means?

Speaker 2 (34:28):
And Larry says, I would like to meet her, which
is a You see Rachel ding ding ding going off.
How did he not know what ali a sholem means?

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Well, very early on in the scene, she just is
not buying Rachel is very suspicious.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
But that was a moment that I you know that
I noticed and aggravated.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, suspicious and very aggravated.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
She died six years ago.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
She passed away six And Larry's like, eh, eh, that
whole thing, and Rachel's face is suspicious. And then Larry
says to Ben, what do you do? And Ben tells
him that he's head of the kidney Foundation, he says.
Then Larry tells him about Richard Lewis.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
He says, I would give him my own kidney if
only we were a match, but unfortunately that's the lass.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
That is not the case.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Excuse me, Okay, I would give him my own kidney
if we were a match, but alas that is not
the case. Like suddenly he's speaking in these biblical kinds
of alas the case, and then some more Hebrew, some
more that, and Rachel says, excuse me, because she knows

(35:36):
he's faking it. He's not really speaking in Hebrew. And
then we cut to time to go to bed. Yes,
and I throw Larry's pillows on the floor, cut to
Cheryl throws yours pillows on the floor.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Same thing.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
And then I'm asleep and I'm tossing and turning, and
he's tossing and turning. He can't seem to, you know,
get comfortable, and so he climbs into bed and wakes me.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Up and like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (35:59):
And he's like, my yeah, I don't give a shit
about your back yet on the floor.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Get the fuck out of the bed.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Blah blah.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Now coming up now is one of my favorite scenes ever.
It's the next morning.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Larry comes into the kitchen and Cheryl is cooking and
he's like, what's that smell. It's bacon. He's like, what
are you crazy? You can't cook bacon. These people are orthodox,
they can't have bacon. And then he's like, how'd you
do last night? She's like I was fine. He's like
I missed you and they hug and just as they're hugging,
Rachel Reese bar walks in and ret Larry says, good morning.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Now.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
This was season five. For the rest of the seven
seasons that we had, every time I would come into
the makeup trailer and he was there, I would say
good morning and we would laugh because it was just
so funny. And Rachel brings in the plates and she says,
are these the plates that we ate the pot roast on?
Last night, And Cheryl's like, yes, they you know, yes

(36:52):
they are. And She's like, where are the milk and milkchi?
How do you pronounce that milk plates?

Speaker 3 (36:58):
You're asking someone who's not he has no idea.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
And but Larry's backing up, Yeah, where are the milky plates?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Like Larry's just backing her up, like starts ganging up,
But yeah, where are the milky plates?

Speaker 5 (37:08):
You were told about the milk plates?

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Was you not?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Okay? Well, I'm sorry about that.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I have to bury the plate and we'll be done.
I'm going to do what you have to bury the plate.
Why would you.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Bury a plate?

Speaker 2 (37:21):
What would you bury a plate? You have to bury
the plate to purify. It has to go on your
sure you probably.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Have a whole set of china.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Wash it and call it a day.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Uh no, no, we can't wash it and call it
a day. No, that's not how it works.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Do you want to bury it? As the man of
the house, you bury it.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
You'll bury, you'll bury. It's a little early for burying.
I don't like to bury it before coffee.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
This is so Cheryl. She just says, why would you
bury a plate? I love that? Why would you bury
a plate?

Speaker 3 (37:56):
You know?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
And and Larry says, tell her, because Larry, of course
has no idea, and Rachel tells her people.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
No, no, no, hold on, though Rachel nods at Larry to explain, yeah, yeah,
Garry comes. Then Larry reacts at Cheryl again.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, the milk plate. The milky plate sits like scream,
you know.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah, And then Cheryl says, well, can't you just wash
it and call it a day? And lar said no, no, no,
you can't just call it a day. And then Rachel says,
would you like, as the man of the house, would
you like to bury the plate?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Lara?

Speaker 1 (38:24):
No, no, no, yeah, you bury. I don't like to bury
before coffee. And then before she leaves, she's like, do
I smell bacon? Larsay, no, I was a little guessy.
I lit a match.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
And he says to Cheryl, you are a guest in
this house. I love that whole scene.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
I love that, but I'm saying it's one after another
that you're killing me. Big Vagina alone makes the episode.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
We'll be right back, stay tuned. Okay, we're back. Now.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Let me ask you this, Jeff, I don't recall was
the milk it plates in the outline.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Sure that was the premise of the scene. I'm guessing
that it was, because why else would you have the
scene she has her plate ready, Yes, so it had
to have been in the outline.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
The milket plates.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
By the way, place do you remember where this place was?

Speaker 1 (39:22):
It was in Malibu, and I will tell you about
And can I tell you something would happen that night
after we left and it was a very long day
of shooting, and it was late at night, and I
got lost driving home with no GPS up in the
canyons of Malibu. I was never so scared in my life.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
I was unless there's a full moon, it's it.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Was pitch black, there's no houses, nothing. It was one
of the scariest moments of my life.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Somehow I figured out how to get out of there,
but it took me about an hour.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
So you didn't stop at one.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Weep no, I had to keep and the no GPS.
GPS is one of the greatest inventions.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Take a step back. Listen to the way you're saying,
no GPS. How could people not think you're religious? How
do people not think.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yourself I'm Jewish, just not religious.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Extra bonus Jewish.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
All right, that's fine, But I'm not religious, and I
was not brought up religious, so I don't know about milk.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
It plates a.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Reese was brought up I believe Orthodox and knows all
about and spent a lot of time in.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Israel, and Larry relied on her. I know that.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
So next we're skiing and Larry's equipment, you know, he's
got the skis and the boots and the schlep, and
he's lugging a pit and then you two fall off
the lift.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
It's all like a disaster. Jeff and Larry fall off
the ski list.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Can I say something, This was one of my saddest
moments in the history of working on the show. Now
watching it, it look fine. It was supposed to fit
me physically a lot more than that, and I had
never skied in my life. I never had skis on,
and I was naturally awkward. Now in order we are awkward, yes,

(41:03):
but if you can ski, you're comfortable in them.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
But if you're not used to them, you got these
huge things on your feet.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
So I in order to be a good physical comedian,
you have to be able to do what it is
you're you know, you have to know how to ski
in order to act like you're falling over. I couldn't
do it, but I remember, well, you know, Larry Charles
can get frustrated. But I remember Larry, it was the
only time this ever happened in the history of the show.

(41:31):
I saw them away from me, whispering to one another,
and I know the conversation was, he can't fucking do this.
I know he can't. Like they were frustrated with.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Me falling off the lift or something.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
There's a lot more to it, and by the way,
it didn't look so bad. It actually looked pretty good.
But I remember there were supposed to be a lot
more to it, and I couldn't do it, and Larry
and Larry were so frustrated with me that I think
that's the only time in the history of the show
where I saw a producer and a producer and director.

(42:06):
Larry Charles was both discussing how much I sucked. And
I've never forgotten it, and I felt so I was embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Well, the scene worked fine, of you two.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Falling off, I know, but at the time we didn't
know it all right.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Well, but it did work fine. I wasn't there that day,
so you too full off the let.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Did you even come to the ski day? Now? That
was up in Big Bear.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah. And then we see Larry snowplowing down and Rachel
and Ben are at the bottom of the hill and
Ben is finished and Rachel wants one more run, so
he tells Larry go with Rachel one more run, and
she's like, she doesn't want it, and then Ben tells him,
I think I could help you move your friend Richard
Lewis up the list.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
And Larry's I'm gonna faint. I know where you're going
when you die.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Right up there, mister, Right up there, there's an escalator
up You're going on the escalip It's just so funny.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
By the way, there's a movie I forgot the original name,
but in America it was released A Stairway to Heaven
and it's a Powell Presburger movie. They're the directors. Yeah yeah,
and with David nivin a master I.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Know that movie?

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (43:14):
I think Joan plow Wright is in that movie?

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Yeah, yes, and she plays opposite him. And the point
is that is easily in my top ten favorite movies
of all time, and it is so moving to me.
I love that movie so much. As a matter of fact,
now that I've been talking about I haven't seen it
for a while. Popping that baby in maybe even tonight.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Okay, look forward to it, I am.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
And next we have Larry and Rachel on the ski
lift and Larry is, you know, making his ridiculous small talk.
What do people have against whistlers? I can't draw, but
I'm a very good doodler. Let's have a doodle contest
when we get back to the lodge and you know,
and she's just like a yeah yeah, and then the
lift stops and Rachel's say, it's only going to be
a few minutes. But then we see time passes and

(43:59):
time pass and it's fifteen minutes already, and she's worried
about Chick Sahama.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Shama down something? Though Larry Charles, however, he block this
first off where they're sitting was closer to if they
found nothing would happen type area, like yes, in the
wide shot, but it looked like they were where they were,
like it was shot yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Okay, So she starts saying that Shick Sahama is what's
gonna happen, which is sundown? And I can't be alone
with you after sundown. You're a man and I'm a
single woman. It's against the law. And Larry says, who says,
and she says, hush em, hush em says, and he's
just like, hey, it's extenuating circumstances. And she's like, there's
no such thing. Five point forty one. It's another half hour.
The sun is going down, and they're both freezing and hungry,

(44:49):
and Larry reaches into.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
His pocket and lo and behold what's in his pocket?
Edible panties? Yeah, he takes it out, starts to eat,
takes a bite. It's pretty good, it's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Well, those are clearly made out of licorice.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yes, they look licoricish, that's what they did. And Rachel's
how much time? And Larry offers her some of the
panties and move that away from me, and then she says,
somebody's gonna have to jump, You're gonna and she says him,
you're gonna have to.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Jump, and he says, what are you crazy?

Speaker 2 (45:20):
He says, what are you fucking nuts? Now very rare
that Larry uses fuck, very rare.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
But in that instance, yes, it didn't stand out because
now that's what I would say, that's what anyone would say.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Jumping because ahash shem, it's it's ridiculous and uh and
she she she takes out her phone. She gives him
her phone, and she jumps and he continues to eat,
and then he uses the phone to call Richard Lewis
to give him the bad news. He said, you know,
the kidney. He realizes now that he's totally alienated the
Heineman's and the kidney is not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
And he says to him, I'm gonna call my cell phone.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
If you hear it ringing, pick it up. Okay, fine, fine, And.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
In the meantime, Lisa, the nurse, is propping up the
pillows behind Richard, and he dials the number, and then
we hear from Lisa's vagina.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Clearly from her vagina, and Richard looks up like, wow,
this is true. And the idea that Mickey Manno's five
hundreds home run ball was stored in her vagina. That's
quite end of the episode.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
And that's it.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
And by the way, I so enjoyed, like I really
don't enjoy going back and looking at these guys do well.
Mostly for me, it's the pain I know I was
feeling as being very heavy and the pain I was
in in terms of emotional but also I don't like

(46:50):
watching myself, whether I'm fit or not. And then but
this episode, I really couldn't get enough of it.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
You know what else, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Usually when I'm reward, I'm writing notes, writing notes, and
I'm not really enjoying the episode. I was laughing out
loud watching this episode.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
This is my favorite Larry David performance, and there have
been many, and this is one of my favorite episodes.
And of course I got to do something that people
have reacted strongly to, and that's exciting for me.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Whenever I tell Larry and I think Larry is a
terrific comedic actor, and whenever I tell him and he's like,
I don't I don't act.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
I don't act, which is bullshit. He does act, of course.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
If I may. I don't know if this applies to you,
how you feel about it, But I look at myself
as a comedian who acts, and I'm a pretty good
actor for a comedian who acts. I am not an actor.
I am not an actor. I am a comedian who acts.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
I never really broke it down like that.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Well I do. I've thought about it because I thought
as an actor and I'm not so great as a comedian.
I'm pretty fucking good as an actor. But comedians generally
make the transition.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Stand ups I'm talking about who are terrific. Robin Williams,
the Jacket, you know.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
A lot do a lot do. I think it's more
often than not comedians can transition to being really solid actors.
But it was a great dramatic actor.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
You know, Alan King was a good actor actor. But
you know, when you're on stage doing stand up and
you're you're making materials sound fresh every time.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
That's acting.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
But I don't do that well.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Most comedians do. And what were the other means? But Jeff,
that's not true. You do you have bits that you do?

Speaker 3 (48:44):
No, I have bits that I recall. I have no
sense of. The strongest I ever go is when I
film a special where I have an outline but it
still gives me room.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yes, but there are things that you have said before
that you're saying again and making it sound fresh.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
No, it sounds fresh because I'm saying it could be
something I haven't said in a year, and I'm recalling it,
so it is fresh as I'm telling it.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
But you know what I'm saying, No, what was saying
to me?

Speaker 3 (49:13):
I'm saying this is why I say for me, I'm
a comedian who acts because I'm not. There's only one
time in my career where I actually performed as an actor,
and that was my HBO half hour. It was in
a very difficult room. The first show. I ate it,
I really did. I didn't have a good set audio,

(49:35):
it was just and there were high ceilings, which is
death for comedy. But I remember sitting backstage and I
told my wife and my manager. I said, well, they go,
how do you feel about the second? I go, I'm
gonna do great? And they say, oh, that's a good as.
I go, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna do great because
no matter what their reaction is, I'm killing. I am

(49:58):
killing camera. You played Yeah, No, But I actually performed
that night as an actor of a comedian who's killing
because the second show went better but not good enough
to show.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Doing Doing stand up for television is a completely different
thing than doing stand up live in a room where
where you're doing this one thing at this moment, and
it's never gonna happen again.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
It's not being filmed. It's a completely different thing.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
I never enjoyed doing stand up for television, never enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
To me, it was just it never felt good on stage.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
I enjoy you know, just audience. Yeah. Yeah, But even
when I did like Letterman and stuff, I had a
ball I mean different, Yeah, that's different. Well, you know,
look it's my adhd. I cannot do the same thing
every night. I remember I was doing one a very
successful one man show in Chicago, and it got well reviewed.

(50:54):
At the same time, Jackie Mason was doing his one
man show in Chicago, so I had a night off
he was performing. I went to go see him. Afterwards.
I talked to him backstage and I was telling him
about how I'm sick of my own voice, that my
show is maybe half of what I was doing at

(51:14):
the first place that I was improvising. And his response
to me, what are you a schmuck? A schmuck, you
got great reviews. Why aren't you going with your great reviews?
You don't change a word because but he was able
to perform precisely the same thing every night. I don't
have that skill.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
I do not, But what I'm saying is that's an
acting skill to make it sound fresh and make it
feel fresh every night, like you do if you're doing
a Broadway play.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Yeah, but I don't look at it. I think you basically,
we're really not even disagreeing to disagree, you're just wrong.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Well, on that note, we're gonna say goodbye and we'll
see you.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Thanks everyone for listening.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
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