September 20, 2023 • 28 mins
Todd Spitzer – Criminally Insane Offenders
Mental Health and Crime
Homelessness Crisis and Immigration
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
In one hour or thereabouts, we're gonna hear from the
Eli County DA George Gascone. He's called the news conference
to announce the charges against the man accused of killing
the Elli County showf's deputy in Palmdale last weekend, even
though there was already a court appearance today and this
man pled not guilty and not guilty by reason of insanity.
But we'll see what Gascone has to say. We'll carry
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it as long as it makes sense to do that
in about.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
An hour, probably about fifteen seconds, if making sense is
the criteria.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
All right, Now, we're gonna talk about a story out
of Orange County, and we've run into these stories before
though when we do them on their show, often about
like sexually violent to sex offenders what do they call him?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
SVPs?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Sexually violent predators. These are people that commit horrendous crimes,
but because of the mentally ill system we have, they
end up being stored in state mental hospitals for a
long time. And then everyone's like, well, now what are
we gonna do? And we can't hold on to this
person forever, maybe it's time to release him. We're talking
about a man by the name of Leonard Patten who
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came to California in nineteen ninety four, and then he
got into an accident, like a fender bender in a
car with another woman, and before long he got out
and he fatally bludgeoned her to death, hit her more
than twenty times in the head, and killed her, a
forty seven year old mother of two. And he was
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found not reason not guilty by reason of insanity and
sent to a state mental hospital. So it's now up
to an Orange County Superior Court judge by the name
of Aaron rue Oh to determine whether or not he
should be released with conditions to what they call an
outpatient facility. A hearing is coming up later on this month.
The Public Defender's Office will represent this creep. Leonard Patten,
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who doesn't like it, along with obviously family members of
the woman that was killed, includes the Arts County District
Attorney Todd Spitzer. He's going to come on now to
explain why this man is still quite a danger to everyone.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Todd, how are you.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Well, I'm frustrated, you know, I mean, it's just it
just breaks all of our hearts, you know. Deputy Klingenbrumer,
thirty years old, killed in cold blood. Now the plea
we know it today announce an open court not guilty
by reason of insanity Leonard Patton in Mike County, you know,
bludgeoned Jessica Unit to death. He was found not guilty
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by reason of insanity. When he was released originally back
in society to a transitional housing unit in two thousand
and six, My office were surveying him. I wasn't the
DA then, obviously, but he secured a weapon, he was
with women and out of compliance with the terms and
conditions of his transitional release, and we got him put
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back into custody. And now he was originally trying to
get release back to the same exact facility where he
violated before, and the victims, the victim's sons. The two
surviving sons made a big stink about it that location
has revoked its willingness to take patent. And now our
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hearing is continuing where we are not only going against
the public defender, but we're going against the psychiatrists for
the state of California who are recommending his release. If
you remember Edward Charles Alloway, he was the guy that
killed seven people at cal State Fullton forty years ago,
and he was recommended for release back into society. We
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fought that in one and I guess my big message
today is the mentally ill who have proven their mentally ill.
Why are we bending over backwards to release the mentally
ill back into society like this Kevin Salazar, who think
about this. Let's say he's convicted, which he probably will be,
of murdering the deputy Clinkinbroomer, and guess what, in ten
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or fifteen years, he's going to be making an application
to be released back into society, just like this Leonard Patton. Literally,
we have gone mad, my friends. We are the ones
that are mad, not these ones who are killing everybody.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
What is the process that we're supposed to trust when
they decide an insane person is now saying what causes
him to find sanity.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well, it's either he's been on his medication, he has
indicated and accepted the nature and wrongfulness of his acts,
he's expressed remorse, he has outgrown his organic issues that
required medication, or you know, have the mental illness in
the first place. I mean, it can be a whole
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set of factors that these mental health professional psychiatrists indicate.
But let me just tell you, our state hospitals don't
even have beds for most of the individuals that are
pleading guilty, not pleading not guilty by reason of insanity,
and they don't even have a place to go. So
one of the big things I'm you know, you probably heard,
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you may have even talked about it. The governor passed
the legislature passed the resolution last week calling on the
country to have a national referendum of state constitutional convention
on gun control. Well, why isn't the governor and the
Attorney General calling all the legislatures back into session in California,
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all the district attorneys, all fifty eight of us, all
fifty eight counties, sheriffs, and all police chiefs to talk
about getting our arms around and implementing laws that keep
guns out of the possession of the mentally ill, and
how to deal with the mentally ill who are showing
propensities to commit violence. Why aren't we calling an emergency
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constitutional convention for just California on that issue, which is
something we could control, and we could have that next week.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Why is there such a reluctance to deal with the
mentally ill effectively? What keeps the legislators from doing this?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I'll say you exactly because in nineteen seventy five a
movie came out called One Threw Over the Cucko's Nest,
and that character, Nurse Ratchet, was the one basically who
shut down mental hospitals in the state of California as
we know it. We stopped forcing medication, we stopped holding
onto people more than seventy two hours without a court hearing,
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and we started not having enough mental health in the
state of California to deal with the severely mentally ill. Listen,
I have a cousin who's schizophrenic. I live with their dad.
When I was in law school, so I've been around
paranoid schizophrenia at my all my adult life. It's sad
it's very difficult, it's extremely strenuous for the family members.
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But but the fact of the matter is these people
can be very dangerous and we need to force medication.
What I'm saying right now is gonna is to some
is very very unpopular. But look what happened with Salazar
and what his mother and sister said. They said he
was off his medication.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's the story. Every time a paranoid schizophrenic commits some
horrible crime, it's always he's off his medication. They should
be forced to take medication because then, well, the deputy
sheriff would not have a bullet in his head. He'd
be alive. So I tell you, the choice is I'd
say let's let's spare the sheriff.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Then I totally agree. And what I don't that you
asked me a question which is a very fundamental one.
Why is not the legislature addressing this. Daryl Steinberg, who's
now being sued by the DAA up in Sacramento for
not dealing with the homeless. Darryl was the author of Prop.
Sixty three, which is trying to help the mentally ill,
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but it is a coddling of the mentally ill and
The only way we're going to deal with the mentally
ill is to have a fundamental question when people are
either detained for purposes of observation under a fifty one
to fifty hold or they have an application for a
red flag law, which right for a gun application, And
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you were talking about that in the last hour. Yeah,
we have to start forcing meds in California.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
All right, right, Well, just more quick thing. Do they
force medication in other states?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I don't know. The American Psychiatric Association, I think has
a fundamental position against it, but the discipline is split,
and I do believe the professionals. We don't hear a
lot from the professionals in the psychiatric profession, and they
have an obligation to come forward and start advising and
giving their professional opinions about how we're going to treat
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the mentally ill using medication. And when somebody refuses, like
my cousin refused to take her medication, what will be
the consequences if they're a danger to themselves or to others?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
All right, Todd, thank you for coming on with us.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
All right, very good, thank you. All right.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Orange County District Attorney Todd Spitzer to talk about this
story involving a murderer named Leonard Patton, who may be
released into a local facility out of a state mental hospital.
He was found not guilty by reason of insanity for
murdering a woman back in nineteen ninety four in Seal
Beach after a fender bender. He just went off and
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bludgeon turned to death.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
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Speaker 1 (10:07):
We live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app. I got one
more thing to say about that story. We did talking
to Todd Spisser or the Orange County DA. They want
to let out Leonard Patton, who is a murderer from
nineteen ninety four put in a mental hospital claiming insanity,
and now he might be he has a chance to
get out. I do not trust. Among all the things
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I do not trust, or I do not trust anymore,
it is the crackpot wing of the psychiatric industry who
thinks they can rehabilitate a vicious murderer. That is, they
are such frauds and clowns, Charlatan's fakes phonies. You can't
fix those people. I don't know why they keep trying,
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and I don't know why they keep trying to sell
it to us, because they let this guy out in
two thousand and six. He went to an autoparts store
and he purchased a tool that could be used as
a knife. They went to his house, where his room,
and they found he was stockpiling other knife blades and
sharp objects. Stop it. You can't rehabilitate these people. I
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don't know what kind of God complex they have, but
that is a totally fraudulent sector of.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
The psychot of these outpatient facilities. Oh what these security
is there or what they oversize? I mean, we ran
into this for a long time. Remember the pillowcase rapist story. Yes,
it's the same thing. We were parted as sexually violent
predator and they kept him in mental hospitals for years
and then they just said, ah, you know, he's well
enough to rejoin society. We'll put him in a one
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of these supervised homes.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And they ended up violating the agreement fairly quickly. And
I remember, I'm sure where he is today.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I remember they took him back and one day, very quietly,
they took him back.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
These cases pop up every few years, and they're the
worst vicious murderers, the worst, sickest rapists, and then you've
got some weasel who you know has some fake degree.
Of course we never meet eat them. Right. He never
stands in front of the media and explains why he
knows that. Mister insanity is now saying, right, mister violent stabber,
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mister compulsive rapist, who are you? I want to hear
you talk. I want to see how smart you are.
I want to see how nuts you are. You have
to be insane to try to But you know, they
get to do this anonymously. We don't know their names. Oh,
there was a vote taken. The vote was three to
one by the committee. What committee? Who are these people?
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What special knowledge do they have? What special powers do
they have? You can't fix brains that are that, that's
sick got them. So I just can't stand that whole thing.
And they're full of their own arrogance and pomposity. It's BS.
It's a fake BS industry.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Well, they want you to think that they have the
powers to change people.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Well I don't think that. I think they're lying. I
think they don't know what they're talking about at all.
I think their phonies and frauds, I think they've gotten
into this racket where they have state jobs. They get
paid six figures and every few years they have to
produce a project to justify their worth. And they have
all kinds of kakamamy wacko theories about rehabilitation. Well, they're wrong.
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We tried their way. They were wrong. Look at all
the wacko theories we've had about criminals and homeless people
and the mentally ill. They were all wrong. You can't
fix these people. You can't cure their addictions, you can't
stop their violent, obsessive behavior. You can't doesn't work that way.
They're broken people, broken brains.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
When we return from the world to the vagrants, the transients.
So we have that story out of Sacramento. The Sacramento
County District Attorney has sued the city of Sacramento for
not doing enough about the homeless problem there, and we'll
give you his reasons for it. Plus the New York
Times did a puzzling story, Well, how come LA isn't
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being overrun with migrants the way New York City is?
Aren't they traditionally a place where migrants go. We're bringing
these stories and we come.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Back we're overrun for twenty years, he has no more room.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
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Speaker 2 (14:20):
All right, Well, it's supposed to be a press conference
coming up after three o'clock from the La County DA
George Gascon, whoill hope will be out of a job
next year. Concerning the case against the man accused. Well,
it's confessed to killing the La County Sheriff's deputy last
weekend in Palmdale. So we'll bring that to you for
as long as it warrants, sometime around three o'clock. From
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the World of the Transients, the Hobos, the bums. We
brought to this story a couple of weeks ago, and
there was a big development. The Sacramento County District Attorney's
name is the n HOO has filed the lawsuit against
this city of Sacramento they're not doing enough to rests
the homeless crisis. He has sued them for creating a
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public nuisance. And when you read the details and the
stories about the lawsuit, it's very sympathetic to the homeless.
It's not compassion to let someone die in the sweltering
summer sun or freeze to death in the cold winter night.
It's not compassionate to allow unsafe conditions to fester so
badly a fourteen year old cannot ride his bike to school,
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or a group of little girls can't play soccer on
a field that's littered with needles. He says that in
the last seven years, and this is the time period
from which Deeryld Steinberg has served as mayor, Sacramento's unhoused
population has exploded by over two one hundred and fifty percent,
and there are now more homeless people in Sacramento than
in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
The lawsuit says, so that's during Steinberg's term. Huh, He's
been mayor about seven years.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And that's the time period the DA sites for the
big explosion in homeless population.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yes, yeah, you know. This is the thing. We've got
to turn around the rhetoric. They are not compassionate. They're
killing these people. These people are suffering in the streets
and they're being murdered by the likes of Darryl Steinberg.
And it's true. It's not hyperbole. It's true. Steinberg's policy,
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just like Karen Bass's policy and all the rest of
them kill people and they suffer for months and months
before they die on the streets. Here in La, two
thousand people this year are going to die in the
streets two thousand and that's on Karen Bass and everybody
in the city council. And that has to be shoved
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back in their little faces every day. It's like, no,
you're killing people. You are destroying their lives because.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
There's no enforcement. They don't do anything. Even though Steinberg's
response was, oh, you should see all the housing we've
set up, in all the outreach programs we have. If
this lawsuit says that's why the problem got work us,
he says that the Sheriff of Sacramento, counting his name
is Jim Cooper, does police homeless camps, and they are
not involved in this lawsuit. It's just against the City
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of sacrament because their methods are failures. Their outreach, it's failures,
nothing but failures.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
All these programs they're housing, the housing first, biggest bomb
ever in government history, the idea of housing first. The outreach.
I've seen these people because we walk on Santa Monica
Beach all the time, and there's there's there's vagrants laying
half dead in the sand in the sun, and these
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I've seen a number of times that these outreach people go,
it's like, you know, is there anything we can do
for you? Would you like some assistance? You know, you know,
here's my card. I'm not making this up. This is
what they do. And then they walk away because the
guy is in some fentanyl days.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
He doesn't bring you sandwiches, needless anything you.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Need, need some water? Yeah, would would you? I'll inject
the heroin if you'd like.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Will feed you, We'll make sure you don't overdose. You
just lie there.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, it's it's fake nonprofits sucking out millions and millions
of dollars of tax money. There are so many freeloading,
parasite frauds running these homeless nonprofits and they're making big money.
And that's why their outreach fails almost every time. It
fails on purpose, because if they solved homelessness, those millions
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dollars of tax money but disappear now.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
The New York Times ran a story by two reporters,
Jill Cowan and Miriam Jordan.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
A curious story. I thought the.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Headline is why Los Angeles has avoided the migrant crisis
hitting New York City. The southern California city so far
has avoided the desperate situation that other metro areas are facing,
in part because it no longer attracts as many immigrants
as it once did. And to that, I think many
say allelujah. Honestly, that's the real reason why we have
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the overrun the way New York City has become. Then,
I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
You know, there was something specific to the migration here,
and it was that there always was a large Mexican
culture here going back forever. I mean, all the city
names in Southern California, many of them are are Spanish,
and so there was a huge Mexican and it was
mostly Mexican people coming and some else Salvadorans and Guatemalans.
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This particular stampede in Texas, I think there's like one
hundred and eighty different countries.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, and a lot of South Americans too. A lot
of Venezuelans are coming in. Nothing to do with that
roots that you just talked about, the enormous numbers of Venezuelans, Africans,
Middle Easterners, Russians, Ukraine, I mean, I mean everybody, and
so it's not the same magnet.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
New York is a magnet because it's New York and
because words spread so quickly and the drug cart else
teach them. They say, Hey, New York Sanctuary City, right
to shelter, don't go to La. You die in the streets.
They sell you a heroin, they sell you fentonyl and
then you die. So you go to New York where
you're promised to home. Right, And every day, every day
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hear a story about Eric Adams that idiot may are
squealing every day.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The article cites the fact that, well, the cost of
living has gotten too high in California for ligrants, and
that's they're going to places where there is more jobs
and lower cost of living.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Right, New York City has a low cost of living.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Well, it's like you said, the right to shelter helps
offset that some of the cost of living. They're going
to put you in some kind of place.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
And New York City also has, like we have predominantly
like a Mexican community that will absorb some of the migration.
New York City has just dozens and dozens of different
communities because it they've always had immigration from all of
the world go there. We've had a more select list
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and you have to track that sort of thing because
when you move, what's the first thing you think of?
Who do I know? Right? If you move to a city,
or you get an offer, a job offer to move
to a seat, it's like, who do I know in
that city?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Do I have friends? Are there some relatives there? So
that plays into where these because you know, there's a
lot of phony headlines about Greg Abbott sent ten thousand
in New York. That's less than ten percent of what's
ended up in New York. So the other ninety percent
didn't go there because Greg Abbot put him on a bus.
A lot of them went there by choice. You know,
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the cartels are setting up bus lines, the FEDS have
bus lines, and you choose based on what do I
know people? There are people from my country living there
in some enclave. Are they giving out free jobs? Are
they given out free rooms?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
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Speaker 2 (22:01):
Well, for as long as we can tolerate it, we'll
be running on KFI. The news conference by the Eli
count DA George Gascombe scheduled to begin around three o'clock
about the charges against the man accused of killing the
Elli County Sheriff's deputy last weekend in Palmdale, which apparently
he confessed to. But you know now he has a lawyer,
so he's pleading not guilty to everything.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Not guilty and not guilty by reason of insanity. That's
right in case Shield, that's right in case.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Know.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
In case the judge says, well, yeah, we're gonna hold
you're not guilty. Pleap, Well, then we want not guilty
by reason of vicente. Right, we'll talk about it, we
think after it runs at three o'clock. One more story
on the vagrants brings us to one of our favorite
newer columnists with the Elshiegundo Times, Erica D. Smith. She's
been writing about the RV dwellers on and off for
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the past couple of years, and she focuses once again
on from what we understand, the cleanup that's going on
on Jefferson Boulevard along the Biona wetlands there and Plaia
del Rey. This has been a disgusting collection of RV's
that has been camped there for years. Of finding the area.
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I got a new city council person, that's Tracy Park,
and she said that it is something I'm going to
work on. It took her a while, but we understand
that great progress has been made in clearing out the
RV encampment of the Biona Wetlands. But as Erica D.
Smith writes, she tries to give us the history of
this and explain it's very complicated. And she starts by
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talking to a well she did a couple of years ago,
a woman named Wendy Lockett who was hanging out here
at a dilapidated RV. And of course she had a
community of a close knit group of men, women, and
dogs living in equally dilapidated RVs. Her neighborhood was this
encampment on Jefferson Boulevard alongside the Biona Wetlands. Notice the
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language she uses to manipulate the reader. It's all the
language of a suburban housing development. The community, men, women, dogs,
close knit, close knit. She even considered herself like the
sheriff Locke did.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Right. They always identify somebody who's declared themselves the mayor
or the sheriff, the leader of their close knit community.
When it's a bunch of drug addicts and bums.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And then there's now fourteen thousand people allegedly living in
RVs in the county. And then she says, broadly speaking,
it's the fault of officials at all levels of government.
They listened to the nimbies and didn't build enough housing
to meet the need.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Oh my god, you know what, that is a total lie.
These people are never going to live in a house
or an apartment. They don't have work, they don't go
to work every day. They're dysfunctional. They can't work because
they're drug addicted and mentally ill. Erica D. Brown is
I don't know how many times she's Erica D. Smith.
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I don't know how many times she's going to write
this same silly, ridiculous cop. They never will work because
they're crazy or they're drug addicted, and we don't have
the obligation to take care of all of them. We
don't have to build housing in our neighborhoods, so drug
addicts and mental patients can live next door to us.
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If you want to call that nimbiism, fine, it is nimbiism.
Not in my backyard. I don't want mental patients and
drug addicts in my backyard or my front yard.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
She eventually talks to uh boy, the chief executive of
Good Old LASA, the Los Angeles homeless services agency. Her
name is now Veelicia Adams Kellum. Well, this just speaks
to desperation. People are literally paying rent to live in
a dilapidated RV. Shows you the level of despair. And
they need for us to build affordable housing. Again, all
of this leads back to the same wrong dead end
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of housing. First, people with people have so many dysfunctions
and problems. It's not going to be the miracle of
building in an apartment that's going to change this.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
People fused to work and we're constantly being gas lit
BS two, lectured, scolded. I'm not listening to your lectures
and your scolds. They have to go to work.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I mean, you take this to the extreme. There's really
in certain neighborhoods of southern California.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Never been enough housing.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
There's always more people that want to live in a
certain community than it can afford to live in the community.
But they don't set up an encampment because they can't
afford a home in Beverly Hills, or can.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
You imagine that everybody love to go live in Beverly
Hills or bel Air, right, but they don't because they
can't afford it, and they accept that. They don't park
an RV in front of someone's house in bel Air,
No they don't. They buy a smaller, less expensive house
somewhere else. That's what you do if you can't afford LA,
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get out of LA, go to Barstow.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I actually gets into the whole complicated part of this. Well,
the DMV has to do instigating to figure out who
owns the RV being rented at the encampment before they
could legally tow it, and blah blah blah blah blah. No, no, no, no,
cut through this. No no, when I'm grateful that Tracy
Park has come up with a way to cut through
this because she got rid of just about all the
RV's there.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
It's it's total garbage and nonsense. And nobody believes this
except these idiot LA Time columnists like eric A. D. Smith.
Nobody normal believes this stuff. I in fact, I just
noticed this on the way to work yesterday. I took
the Pass Avenue exit in the one thirty four. You
go down to the end of the ramp, there's a
traffic light. It's red, so I stop and I scare
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straight ahead. The first thing that greets you when you
take that ramp is one of those parking restriction signs,
and it said no RV parking overnight, something to that effect.
And that's your welcome to Burbank sign. If you're in
an RV, you're not parking it here tonight, because what's
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Burbank going to do. They're going to ticket you and
toe you, and they don't have any excuses. They tike it,
toe you and put it in a yard somewhere, and
you're probably gonna have to pay a thousand bucks to
get it out, all right.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Coming up very soon, the LA County District Attorney, George Gascone.
Alongside him will be the LA County Sheriff, Robert Luna,
to announce the exact charges and the murder of a
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In one hour or thereabouts, we're gonna hear from the
Eli County DA George Gascone. He's called the news conference
to announce the charges against the man accused of killing
the Elli County showf's deputy in Palmdale last weekend, even
though there was already a court appearance today and this
man pled not guilty and not guilty by reason of insanity.
But we'll see what Gascone has to say. We'll carry
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it as long as it makes sense to do that
in about.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
An hour, probably about fifteen seconds, if making sense is
the criteria.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
All right, Now, we're gonna talk about a story out
of Orange County, and we've run into these stories before
though when we do them on their show, often about
like sexually violent to sex offenders what do they call him?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
SVPs?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Sexually violent predators. These are people that commit horrendous crimes,
but because of the mentally ill system we have, they
end up being stored in state mental hospitals for a
long time. And then everyone's like, well, now what are
we gonna do? And we can't hold on to this
person forever, maybe it's time to release him. We're talking
about a man by the name of Leonard Patten who
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came to California in nineteen ninety four, and then he
got into an accident, like a fender bender in a
car with another woman, and before long he got out
and he fatally bludgeoned her to death, hit her more
than twenty times in the head, and killed her, a
forty seven year old mother of two. And he was
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found not reason not guilty by reason of insanity and
sent to a state mental hospital. So it's now up
to an Orange County Superior Court judge by the name
of Aaron rue Oh to determine whether or not he
should be released with conditions to what they call an
outpatient facility. A hearing is coming up later on this month.
The Public Defender's Office will represent this creep. Leonard Patten,
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who doesn't like it, along with obviously family members of
the woman that was killed, includes the Arts County District
Attorney Todd Spitzer. He's going to come on now to
explain why this man is still quite a danger to everyone.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Todd, how are you.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Well, I'm frustrated, you know, I mean, it's just it
just breaks all of our hearts, you know. Deputy Klingenbrumer,
thirty years old, killed in cold blood. Now the plea
we know it today announce an open court not guilty
by reason of insanity Leonard Patton in Mike County, you know,
bludgeoned Jessica Unit to death. He was found not guilty
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by reason of insanity. When he was released originally back
in society to a transitional housing unit in two thousand
and six, My office were surveying him. I wasn't the
DA then, obviously, but he secured a weapon, he was
with women and out of compliance with the terms and
conditions of his transitional release, and we got him put
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back into custody. And now he was originally trying to
get release back to the same exact facility where he
violated before, and the victims, the victim's sons. The two
surviving sons made a big stink about it that location
has revoked its willingness to take patent. And now our
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hearing is continuing where we are not only going against
the public defender, but we're going against the psychiatrists for
the state of California who are recommending his release. If
you remember Edward Charles Alloway, he was the guy that
killed seven people at cal State Fullton forty years ago,
and he was recommended for release back into society. We
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fought that in one and I guess my big message
today is the mentally ill who have proven their mentally ill.
Why are we bending over backwards to release the mentally
ill back into society like this Kevin Salazar, who think
about this. Let's say he's convicted, which he probably will be,
of murdering the deputy Clinkinbroomer, and guess what, in ten
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or fifteen years, he's going to be making an application
to be released back into society, just like this Leonard Patton. Literally,
we have gone mad, my friends. We are the ones
that are mad, not these ones who are killing everybody.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
What is the process that we're supposed to trust when
they decide an insane person is now saying what causes
him to find sanity.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well, it's either he's been on his medication, he has
indicated and accepted the nature and wrongfulness of his acts,
he's expressed remorse, he has outgrown his organic issues that
required medication, or you know, have the mental illness in
the first place. I mean, it can be a whole
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set of factors that these mental health professional psychiatrists indicate.
But let me just tell you, our state hospitals don't
even have beds for most of the individuals that are
pleading guilty, not pleading not guilty by reason of insanity,
and they don't even have a place to go. So
one of the big things I'm you know, you probably heard,
(05:33):
you may have even talked about it. The governor passed
the legislature passed the resolution last week calling on the
country to have a national referendum of state constitutional convention
on gun control. Well, why isn't the governor and the
Attorney General calling all the legislatures back into session in California,
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all the district attorneys, all fifty eight of us, all
fifty eight counties, sheriffs, and all police chiefs to talk
about getting our arms around and implementing laws that keep
guns out of the possession of the mentally ill, and
how to deal with the mentally ill who are showing
propensities to commit violence. Why aren't we calling an emergency
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constitutional convention for just California on that issue, which is
something we could control, and we could have that next week.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Why is there such a reluctance to deal with the
mentally ill effectively? What keeps the legislators from doing this?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I'll say you exactly because in nineteen seventy five a
movie came out called One Threw Over the Cucko's Nest,
and that character, Nurse Ratchet, was the one basically who
shut down mental hospitals in the state of California as
we know it. We stopped forcing medication, we stopped holding
onto people more than seventy two hours without a court hearing,
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and we started not having enough mental health in the
state of California to deal with the severely mentally ill. Listen,
I have a cousin who's schizophrenic. I live with their dad.
When I was in law school, so I've been around
paranoid schizophrenia at my all my adult life. It's sad
it's very difficult, it's extremely strenuous for the family members.
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But but the fact of the matter is these people
can be very dangerous and we need to force medication.
What I'm saying right now is gonna is to some
is very very unpopular. But look what happened with Salazar
and what his mother and sister said. They said he
was off his medication.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's the story. Every time a paranoid schizophrenic commits some
horrible crime, it's always he's off his medication. They should
be forced to take medication because then, well, the deputy
sheriff would not have a bullet in his head. He'd
be alive. So I tell you, the choice is I'd
say let's let's spare the sheriff.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Then I totally agree. And what I don't that you
asked me a question which is a very fundamental one.
Why is not the legislature addressing this. Daryl Steinberg, who's
now being sued by the DAA up in Sacramento for
not dealing with the homeless. Darryl was the author of Prop.
Sixty three, which is trying to help the mentally ill,
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but it is a coddling of the mentally ill and
The only way we're going to deal with the mentally
ill is to have a fundamental question when people are
either detained for purposes of observation under a fifty one
to fifty hold or they have an application for a
red flag law, which right for a gun application, And
(08:46):
you were talking about that in the last hour. Yeah,
we have to start forcing meds in California.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
All right, right, Well, just more quick thing. Do they
force medication in other states?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I don't know. The American Psychiatric Association, I think has
a fundamental position against it, but the discipline is split,
and I do believe the professionals. We don't hear a
lot from the professionals in the psychiatric profession, and they
have an obligation to come forward and start advising and
giving their professional opinions about how we're going to treat
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the mentally ill using medication. And when somebody refuses, like
my cousin refused to take her medication, what will be
the consequences if they're a danger to themselves or to others?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
All right, Todd, thank you for coming on with us.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
All right, very good, thank you. All right.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Orange County District Attorney Todd Spitzer to talk about this
story involving a murderer named Leonard Patton, who may be
released into a local facility out of a state mental hospital.
He was found not guilty by reason of insanity for
murdering a woman back in nineteen ninety four in Seal
Beach after a fender bender. He just went off and
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bludgeon turned to death.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
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Speaker 1 (10:07):
We live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app. I got one
more thing to say about that story. We did talking
to Todd Spisser or the Orange County DA. They want
to let out Leonard Patton, who is a murderer from
nineteen ninety four put in a mental hospital claiming insanity,
and now he might be he has a chance to
get out. I do not trust. Among all the things
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I do not trust, or I do not trust anymore,
it is the crackpot wing of the psychiatric industry who
thinks they can rehabilitate a vicious murderer. That is, they
are such frauds and clowns, Charlatan's fakes phonies. You can't
fix those people. I don't know why they keep trying,
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and I don't know why they keep trying to sell
it to us, because they let this guy out in
two thousand and six. He went to an autoparts store
and he purchased a tool that could be used as
a knife. They went to his house, where his room,
and they found he was stockpiling other knife blades and
sharp objects. Stop it. You can't rehabilitate these people. I
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don't know what kind of God complex they have, but
that is a totally fraudulent sector of.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
The psychot of these outpatient facilities. Oh what these security
is there or what they oversize? I mean, we ran
into this for a long time. Remember the pillowcase rapist story. Yes,
it's the same thing. We were parted as sexually violent
predator and they kept him in mental hospitals for years
and then they just said, ah, you know, he's well
enough to rejoin society. We'll put him in a one
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of these supervised homes.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And they ended up violating the agreement fairly quickly. And
I remember, I'm sure where he is today.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I remember they took him back and one day, very quietly,
they took him back.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
These cases pop up every few years, and they're the
worst vicious murderers, the worst, sickest rapists, and then you've
got some weasel who you know has some fake degree.
Of course we never meet eat them. Right. He never
stands in front of the media and explains why he
knows that. Mister insanity is now saying, right, mister violent stabber,
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mister compulsive rapist, who are you? I want to hear
you talk. I want to see how smart you are.
I want to see how nuts you are. You have
to be insane to try to But you know, they
get to do this anonymously. We don't know their names. Oh,
there was a vote taken. The vote was three to
one by the committee. What committee? Who are these people?
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What special knowledge do they have? What special powers do
they have? You can't fix brains that are that, that's
sick got them. So I just can't stand that whole thing.
And they're full of their own arrogance and pomposity. It's BS.
It's a fake BS industry.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Well, they want you to think that they have the
powers to change people.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Well I don't think that. I think they're lying. I
think they don't know what they're talking about at all.
I think their phonies and frauds, I think they've gotten
into this racket where they have state jobs. They get
paid six figures and every few years they have to
produce a project to justify their worth. And they have
all kinds of kakamamy wacko theories about rehabilitation. Well, they're wrong.
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We tried their way. They were wrong. Look at all
the wacko theories we've had about criminals and homeless people
and the mentally ill. They were all wrong. You can't
fix these people. You can't cure their addictions, you can't
stop their violent, obsessive behavior. You can't doesn't work that way.
They're broken people, broken brains.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
When we return from the world to the vagrants, the transients.
So we have that story out of Sacramento. The Sacramento
County District Attorney has sued the city of Sacramento for
not doing enough about the homeless problem there, and we'll
give you his reasons for it. Plus the New York
Times did a puzzling story, Well, how come LA isn't
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being overrun with migrants the way New York City is?
Aren't they traditionally a place where migrants go. We're bringing
these stories and we come.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Back we're overrun for twenty years, he has no more room.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
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Speaker 2 (14:20):
All right, Well, it's supposed to be a press conference
coming up after three o'clock from the La County DA
George Gascon, whoill hope will be out of a job
next year. Concerning the case against the man accused. Well,
it's confessed to killing the La County Sheriff's deputy last
weekend in Palmdale. So we'll bring that to you for
as long as it warrants, sometime around three o'clock. From
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the World of the Transients, the Hobos, the bums. We
brought to this story a couple of weeks ago, and
there was a big development. The Sacramento County District Attorney's
name is the n HOO has filed the lawsuit against
this city of Sacramento they're not doing enough to rests
the homeless crisis. He has sued them for creating a
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public nuisance. And when you read the details and the
stories about the lawsuit, it's very sympathetic to the homeless.
It's not compassion to let someone die in the sweltering
summer sun or freeze to death in the cold winter night.
It's not compassionate to allow unsafe conditions to fester so
badly a fourteen year old cannot ride his bike to school,
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or a group of little girls can't play soccer on
a field that's littered with needles. He says that in
the last seven years, and this is the time period
from which Deeryld Steinberg has served as mayor, Sacramento's unhoused
population has exploded by over two one hundred and fifty percent,
and there are now more homeless people in Sacramento than
in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
The lawsuit says, so that's during Steinberg's term. Huh, He's
been mayor about seven years.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And that's the time period the DA sites for the
big explosion in homeless population.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yes, yeah, you know. This is the thing. We've got
to turn around the rhetoric. They are not compassionate. They're
killing these people. These people are suffering in the streets
and they're being murdered by the likes of Darryl Steinberg.
And it's true. It's not hyperbole. It's true. Steinberg's policy,
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just like Karen Bass's policy and all the rest of
them kill people and they suffer for months and months
before they die on the streets. Here in La, two
thousand people this year are going to die in the
streets two thousand and that's on Karen Bass and everybody
in the city council. And that has to be shoved
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back in their little faces every day. It's like, no,
you're killing people. You are destroying their lives because.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
There's no enforcement. They don't do anything. Even though Steinberg's
response was, oh, you should see all the housing we've
set up, in all the outreach programs we have. If
this lawsuit says that's why the problem got work us,
he says that the Sheriff of Sacramento, counting his name
is Jim Cooper, does police homeless camps, and they are
not involved in this lawsuit. It's just against the City
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of sacrament because their methods are failures. Their outreach, it's failures,
nothing but failures.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
All these programs they're housing, the housing first, biggest bomb
ever in government history, the idea of housing first. The outreach.
I've seen these people because we walk on Santa Monica
Beach all the time, and there's there's there's vagrants laying
half dead in the sand in the sun, and these
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I've seen a number of times that these outreach people go,
it's like, you know, is there anything we can do
for you? Would you like some assistance? You know, you know,
here's my card. I'm not making this up. This is
what they do. And then they walk away because the
guy is in some fentanyl days.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
He doesn't bring you sandwiches, needless anything you.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Need, need some water? Yeah, would would you? I'll inject
the heroin if you'd like.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Will feed you, We'll make sure you don't overdose. You
just lie there.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, it's it's fake nonprofits sucking out millions and millions
of dollars of tax money. There are so many freeloading,
parasite frauds running these homeless nonprofits and they're making big money.
And that's why their outreach fails almost every time. It
fails on purpose, because if they solved homelessness, those millions
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dollars of tax money but disappear now.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
The New York Times ran a story by two reporters,
Jill Cowan and Miriam Jordan.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
A curious story. I thought the.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Headline is why Los Angeles has avoided the migrant crisis
hitting New York City. The southern California city so far
has avoided the desperate situation that other metro areas are facing,
in part because it no longer attracts as many immigrants
as it once did. And to that, I think many
say allelujah. Honestly, that's the real reason why we have
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the overrun the way New York City has become. Then,
I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
You know, there was something specific to the migration here,
and it was that there always was a large Mexican
culture here going back forever. I mean, all the city
names in Southern California, many of them are are Spanish,
and so there was a huge Mexican and it was
mostly Mexican people coming and some else Salvadorans and Guatemalans.
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This particular stampede in Texas, I think there's like one
hundred and eighty different countries.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, and a lot of South Americans too. A lot
of Venezuelans are coming in. Nothing to do with that
roots that you just talked about, the enormous numbers of Venezuelans, Africans,
Middle Easterners, Russians, Ukraine, I mean, I mean everybody, and
so it's not the same magnet.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
New York is a magnet because it's New York and
because words spread so quickly and the drug cart else
teach them. They say, Hey, New York Sanctuary City, right
to shelter, don't go to La. You die in the streets.
They sell you a heroin, they sell you fentonyl and
then you die. So you go to New York where
you're promised to home. Right, And every day, every day
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hear a story about Eric Adams that idiot may are
squealing every day.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The article cites the fact that, well, the cost of
living has gotten too high in California for ligrants, and
that's they're going to places where there is more jobs
and lower cost of living.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Right, New York City has a low cost of living.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Well, it's like you said, the right to shelter helps
offset that some of the cost of living. They're going
to put you in some kind of place.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
And New York City also has, like we have predominantly
like a Mexican community that will absorb some of the migration.
New York City has just dozens and dozens of different
communities because it they've always had immigration from all of
the world go there. We've had a more select list
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and you have to track that sort of thing because
when you move, what's the first thing you think of?
Who do I know? Right? If you move to a city,
or you get an offer, a job offer to move
to a seat, it's like, who do I know in
that city?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Do I have friends? Are there some relatives there? So
that plays into where these because you know, there's a
lot of phony headlines about Greg Abbott sent ten thousand
in New York. That's less than ten percent of what's
ended up in New York. So the other ninety percent
didn't go there because Greg Abbot put him on a bus.
A lot of them went there by choice. You know,
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the cartels are setting up bus lines, the FEDS have
bus lines, and you choose based on what do I
know people? There are people from my country living there
in some enclave. Are they giving out free jobs? Are
they given out free rooms?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
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Speaker 2 (22:01):
Well, for as long as we can tolerate it, we'll
be running on KFI. The news conference by the Eli
count DA George Gascombe scheduled to begin around three o'clock
about the charges against the man accused of killing the
Elli County Sheriff's deputy last weekend in Palmdale, which apparently
he confessed to. But you know now he has a lawyer,
so he's pleading not guilty to everything.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Not guilty and not guilty by reason of insanity. That's
right in case Shield, that's right in case.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Know.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
In case the judge says, well, yeah, we're gonna hold
you're not guilty. Pleap, Well, then we want not guilty
by reason of vicente. Right, we'll talk about it, we
think after it runs at three o'clock. One more story
on the vagrants brings us to one of our favorite
newer columnists with the Elshiegundo Times, Erica D. Smith. She's
been writing about the RV dwellers on and off for
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the past couple of years, and she focuses once again
on from what we understand, the cleanup that's going on
on Jefferson Boulevard along the Biona wetlands there and Plaia
del Rey. This has been a disgusting collection of RV's
that has been camped there for years. Of finding the area.
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I got a new city council person, that's Tracy Park,
and she said that it is something I'm going to
work on. It took her a while, but we understand
that great progress has been made in clearing out the
RV encampment of the Biona Wetlands. But as Erica D.
Smith writes, she tries to give us the history of
this and explain it's very complicated. And she starts by
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talking to a well she did a couple of years ago,
a woman named Wendy Lockett who was hanging out here
at a dilapidated RV. And of course she had a
community of a close knit group of men, women, and
dogs living in equally dilapidated RVs. Her neighborhood was this
encampment on Jefferson Boulevard alongside the Biona Wetlands. Notice the
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language she uses to manipulate the reader. It's all the
language of a suburban housing development. The community, men, women, dogs,
close knit, close knit. She even considered herself like the
sheriff Locke did.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Right. They always identify somebody who's declared themselves the mayor
or the sheriff, the leader of their close knit community.
When it's a bunch of drug addicts and bums.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And then there's now fourteen thousand people allegedly living in
RVs in the county. And then she says, broadly speaking,
it's the fault of officials at all levels of government.
They listened to the nimbies and didn't build enough housing
to meet the need.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Oh my god, you know what, that is a total lie.
These people are never going to live in a house
or an apartment. They don't have work, they don't go
to work every day. They're dysfunctional. They can't work because
they're drug addicted and mentally ill. Erica D. Brown is
I don't know how many times she's Erica D. Smith.
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I don't know how many times she's going to write
this same silly, ridiculous cop. They never will work because
they're crazy or they're drug addicted, and we don't have
the obligation to take care of all of them. We
don't have to build housing in our neighborhoods, so drug
addicts and mental patients can live next door to us.
(25:16):
If you want to call that nimbiism, fine, it is nimbiism.
Not in my backyard. I don't want mental patients and
drug addicts in my backyard or my front yard.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
She eventually talks to uh boy, the chief executive of
Good Old LASA, the Los Angeles homeless services agency. Her
name is now Veelicia Adams Kellum. Well, this just speaks
to desperation. People are literally paying rent to live in
a dilapidated RV. Shows you the level of despair. And
they need for us to build affordable housing. Again, all
of this leads back to the same wrong dead end
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of housing. First, people with people have so many dysfunctions
and problems. It's not going to be the miracle of
building in an apartment that's going to change this.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
People fused to work and we're constantly being gas lit
BS two, lectured, scolded. I'm not listening to your lectures
and your scolds. They have to go to work.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I mean, you take this to the extreme. There's really
in certain neighborhoods of southern California.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Never been enough housing.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
There's always more people that want to live in a
certain community than it can afford to live in the community.
But they don't set up an encampment because they can't
afford a home in Beverly Hills, or can.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
You imagine that everybody love to go live in Beverly
Hills or bel Air, right, but they don't because they
can't afford it, and they accept that. They don't park
an RV in front of someone's house in bel Air,
No they don't. They buy a smaller, less expensive house
somewhere else. That's what you do if you can't afford LA,
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get out of LA, go to Barstow.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I actually gets into the whole complicated part of this. Well,
the DMV has to do instigating to figure out who
owns the RV being rented at the encampment before they
could legally tow it, and blah blah blah blah blah. No, no, no, no,
cut through this. No no, when I'm grateful that Tracy
Park has come up with a way to cut through
this because she got rid of just about all the
RV's there.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
It's it's total garbage and nonsense. And nobody believes this
except these idiot LA Time columnists like eric A. D. Smith.
Nobody normal believes this stuff. I in fact, I just
noticed this on the way to work yesterday. I took
the Pass Avenue exit in the one thirty four. You
go down to the end of the ramp, there's a
traffic light. It's red, so I stop and I scare
(27:36):
straight ahead. The first thing that greets you when you
take that ramp is one of those parking restriction signs,
and it said no RV parking overnight, something to that effect.
And that's your welcome to Burbank sign. If you're in
an RV, you're not parking it here tonight, because what's
(27:56):
Burbank going to do. They're going to ticket you and
toe you, and they don't have any excuses. They tike it,
toe you and put it in a yard somewhere, and
you're probably gonna have to pay a thousand bucks to
get it out, all right.
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