March 17, 2025 • 30 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 3 (03/17) - Art Arthur comes on the show to talk about Tren De Aragua gang members who entered the US illegally being sent to El Salvador by the Trump Administration. Mayor Bass is trying to fight back against the recall effort against her.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
I don't know if you saw the New York Post.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Over the years, they have loved to publish photos of
El Salvadoran prisons because there, especially in the last couple
of years, I think the L. Salvadoran president went to
war and put away hundreds of not thousands, of gang
members and crime violent crime dropped dramatically. And if you've
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ever seen the photos, they lay these characters down side
by side, body to body. They're nearly naked, and most
many of them are covered with tattoos all the way
to the top of their head. I mean every square
inch of skin on some of these characters is tattooed.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Over the weekend, Trump and Tom Holman the borders are.
They sent hundreds of gang members and other undesirables to L. Salvador,
including many members of Trenduragua, which is that famous Venezuelan
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criminal gang organization. They also sent some MS thirteen L
Salvadoran gang members to talk about the legality of this.
Because Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act of seventeen ninety eight,
which I'm sure you haven't heard of. Let's talk with
Art Arthur here. He's with the Center for Immigration Studies.
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Here's their national security and immigration expert, and Art can
probably explain all this.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
How are you hey, I'm doing fine, John, Thanks so
much for having me today.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It's good to have you on.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Explain under what laws Trump was able to deport these
guys to El Salvador and not their home countries. I mean,
I know there's a judge who tried to stop the flights,
but they said, whoops, too late already there. Just go
through the legal aspect with us.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
So yeh, John, And you know, it's important to note
the fact that generally, when we think about deportation, it
means that we're going to deport you back to your
home country. But in many instances those home countries don't
cooperate with US government officials and taking bad people, in
particular criminals. So the Immigration and Nationality Act, which is
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the cornerstone of immigration law in this country, permits the
federal government to remove aliens who have been ordered to
ported to a laundry list of countries from the last
country in that laundry list is any other country that
will take the aliens. So, you know, needles say, we'd
like to do it by nationality or place you were born,
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or place that you've resided or that you had a
residence in the past, but all else sales, we can
always send you to any country that will accept you. Now,
very few countries actually want any additional criminals. They many
of them are dealing with the criminals of their own.
But in this particular instance, and shortly after he took office,
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President Trump, his you know, Secretary of State Mark or
Rubio met with President Naive bu Kelly of El Salvador
and President Boukela, you know, is a very good partner
of the President, and agreed to take criminal aliens that
the United States have that he couldn't send anywhere else.
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So that's why those planes were landing in San Salvador
because many of them that trende Iragua members are from Venezuela.
We don't really have very good diplomatic relations with Venezuela.
Sandy criminals back there is difficult, and El Salvador is
a country that'll take them. So off to San Salvador
they went.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Now a judge stepped in and wanted the plane flights stopped,
and the Trump people said too late. They took off,
and then the judge says, we'll turn them around, and
Trump goes out to verbal order. We don't have a
written order. And by by time they went back and forth,
the blames had landed. The prisoners were sent to prison,
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and I think the El Salvadoran president put out a
tweet that said, oopsie, uh, you know they're here already.
There's nothing anybody can do.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Is that the way it's gonna rest. That these guys
are out of the country permanently and a judge can't
do anything to reel them back in.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So the judging question is Jed Boseburg, who's the chief
judge of the US District Court for the District of Columbia,
And that's one of the most powerful federal courts in
the United States, one of the most powerful district courts
in the United States. And Boseburg himself was appointed to
the d C Court first by George W. Bush and
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then thereafter to the District Court by President Obama. So
he's an interesting person and his decisions really come down
you know both ways. Generally, he's often thought of as
pretty fair jurist. And what Judge Boseburg did was he
issued an oral order and then about fifteen twenty minutes
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later he followed it up with a written order. And
the argument that the Trump administration is making is by
the time those orders were issued, those planes were in
international airspace. They were no longer in the United States,
so it wasn't appropriate to return them. Whether or not
Judge Boseburg agrees with that analysis is a question. And
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you know, I certainly understand, you know, President Bukela making
light of the whole thing, but I would hate to
be the US attorney who's having to go into Judge
Boseburg next to explain what happened. But yeah, I mean,
this is one of those things that's probably, you know,
going to get reviewed by a higher court, and it
is possible that, you know, either Judge Bosburg or some
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other judge up the line will order the United States
to return those individuals to this country. That's happened in
the past. It doesn't happen very often, but you know,
this is plainly a unique case. When we're talking about
two hundred and fifty just about trend to iragual members
or alleged to trend to Aragual members in about twenty
three members of MS thirteen. So yeah, I mean it's
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possible that, you know, they could say, well, you know,
what's done is done, don't do it in the future.
Or it's possible that they could issue an order telling
the US government to bring those folks back.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Trump has been so belligerent and so defiant, at least
in his rhetoric. I talked with some other legal analysts
about this, and he didn't have an answer. What happens
if Trump decides not to follow a court order like
this and orders everyone on his staff don't take any
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action or you get fired, then we have a strange standoffs?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
How does that play out?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
We do have a strange standoff, and you know, really
we have and seen anything like that in American history
ever since President Andrew Jackson directly disregarded orders that were
made about Native American displacement back in the early nineteenth century.
And you know, President Trump, since he has retaken office,
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you know, has stated that he would comply with federal
district court orders. I think that you know, what happened
in this instance, you know, was the situation where the
White House believed that it had a perfectly fine legal
argument that it could make for why it wasn't going
to turn those planes around again they were no longer
in the United States. And you know, district court judges
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have limited jurisdiction. But it's also possible that the President
is attempting to challenge the very concept of nationwide or
universal or galaxy wide injunctions, where one judge one place,
can you know, set a rule that applies to everybody.
We know that the Supreme Court that you know, certainly
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the conservative judge this is on the Supreme Court, many
of them don't like nationwide in junctions. They think that
you should only issue an order involving the case before you,
not a larger category cases. But yeah, I mean, if
you know there is an order from the Supreme Court
that the President disregards, would set up a constitutional crisis
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that would have to be resolved. But you know, it's
the president is the head of the executive branch, you know,
two point two million plus employees, whereas you know, your
average district court judge has a couple of clerks and
a secretary and maybe you know some US marshals that
they can call upon, but really very little ability to
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enforce those orders. Generally, the enforcement of those orders is,
you know, simply by the rules of committee, not comedy committee. Yes,
that govern the judicial and the executive branches.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
This only works if everybody decides they're going to play along.
Can you hang on for another Art I want to
continue discussing this Art Arthur Center for Immigration Studies. He's
a national security and immigration expert, and we're talking about
Trump and Tom Homan deporting over two hundred and fifty
violent illegal aliens, many of them from trendyar Rogweather Venezuelan
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Gang and MS thirteen, the El Salvadorian Gang.
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We continue with Art Arthur Center for Immigration Studies. He's
a national security and immigration expert, and Trump deported two
one hundred and fifty plus illegal aliens to l Salvador
to be put in this horrific prison that the Salvadorian president,
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Nahib Bukelly keeps the worst, most violent criminals. Look up
some photos or videos of what that prison is like.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It's stunning.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
We have sent out, like I said, over two hundred
and fifty plus illegal aliens, and there is as we
went over in the last segment, this dispute over whether
Trump should have turned the plane around after getting an
injunction from a federal district judge, Trump used the Alien
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Enemies Act from seventeen ninety eight, which most people have
never heard of. What is this and does it seem
like it's the appropriate law that Trump used?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
So the Alien Enemies Actor, the AEA was enacted in
seventeen ninety eight in reaction to a feared invasion of
the United States by France, which was then in the
froze of the French Revolution, And it's part of the
Alien and Sedition Acts we're taught very briefly about when
we're all in school, and they never really tell you
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a whole lot about them. But the Alien Enemies Act
permits the executive brand to detain nationals of countries with
which we are in the midst of a declared war,
or alternatively, to detain and deport individuals foreign nationals who
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are in the midst of an invasion of the United States,
and President Trump's argument is that these criminal groups and
you know, we call Trende Aragua gang, but it's more
like a pretty well run cartel, and you know MS
thirteen is, you know, a street gang, but a pretty
well organized one.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
The argument is that they are de facto governments and
regions of the country that they come from. And in
the case of Trinde Aragua, the President is alleging that
to a certain degree, their activities in the United States
are in line with the actions of the Venezuelan government,
where you know, we have a very adverse relationship with
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the Venezuelan government under Nicholas Maduro, the current cater of
that country. We don't recognize Maduro as the president. So
you know, that is the fundamental basis and those are
you know, some of the questions that are before Judge
Bosberg on the DC District Court right now is, you know,
whether it's appropriate to use the Alien Enemies Act in
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this situation and how far the president can go in
expelling those individuals from that country. Again, there's not much argument. Well,
there's some argument as to whether or not the Venezuelan's
involved or actually trend to Aragua members. You very rarely
find a cartel member that admits as such. But you know,
the the question becomes, then, if they are actually members
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of this trend to Aragua cartel, is it appropriate to
use the Alien Enemies Act rather than the Immigration and
Nationality Act. The Immigration and Nationality Act provides many statutory
and constitutional safeguards that aren't present in the Alien Enemies Act. So,
you know, in this it's an argument that that you know,
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people have gone both ways on uh and in fact,
it used to be, you know, a couple of years ago,
you would get a lot of people on the left
that would argue that these you know, large, well organized
transnational criminal organizations are de facto governments. You're not going
to hear that argument made much these days.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Because it supports Trump now.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, yeah, because it supports Trump now exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Well, I mean with the drug cartels for example, because
we've talked a lot about this, when when when they're
shipping a product that kills one hundred thousand people a year, fentanyl,
and they have thousands of really soldiers all along the border,
and they're doing human smuggling, and they run a sex
trade and a sex slave trade really and and all
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the drugs, and they're earning billions of dollars. Clearly, they're
more powerful than the Mexican government because the Mexican government
really rarely touches these guys.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So it seems.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Practical reality, you are dealing with a separate government with
its own army which is actively killing Americans.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, and when we talk about the border situation, one
of the things that those cartels do is that they
charge a piso or attack and smuggler that's bringing an
illegal migrant through what they deem their territory. Uh. And
the reason that they deem it their territory is because
in many of those areas they're more powerful than the
Mexican government. And you know, from that perspective, it's you know,
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a pretty strong argument to you know, to make. We've
also seen that, you know, many of those cartels have
been designated as terrorist organizations because they use the same
sort of methods that terrorists used, and they do it
for much the same purpose, in order to control an area,
uh and to subdue a civilian population. So, you know,
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this is it's a very unique, it's a novel interpretation
of this Act. Last time it was used was during
World War two, h you know, in during the you know,
truly regrettable detention of large numbers of Japanese people Japanese, yeah, who.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Weren't criminals and weren't part of any kind of organized
invasion or criminal or war operation. They truly were just
minding their own business and they were taken from their homes.
I mean, compared to that, it seems like Trump would
be on solid ground here.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, And you know, that's a key point. And you know,
I expect that that's going to be a point that
that the Trump administration is going to run raised. You know,
the the President Franklin Roosevelt's use of the Alien Enemies
Act to detain those Japanese Americans was Koramatsu Cormatsu versus
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the United States, and Kormatsu the Supreme Court actually sided
with the Roosevelt administration. But as you know, quite aptly,
you know, this is, you know, these are individuals who,
you know, we could all more or less agree, pose
a threat to public safety, if not national security, which
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actually strengthens the Trump administration's use of this support.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Art Arthur, thank you so much. It's always enjoyable talking to.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You, John, Thank you so much, my best of your listeners.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
All right, thanks. See he's with the Center for Immigration
Studies CEE. I asked national security and immigration expert. And
we're talking about Trump's deportation of hundreds of Trendy Iragua
gang members and MS thirteen L Savador and gang members
and they're all sitting in this horrific prison in l
Salvador now and maybe forever.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
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And you miss stuff. You really shouldn't miss stuff after
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on demand also on the iHeart app. You know lost
in the Lost in the whole fire is Karen Bass
will be up for reelection next year, and obviously this
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is very destructive to her campaign and don't know what
Rick Rusho is going to do. He's actually putting together
a pretty strong organization to try to help people rebuild,
you know, do something practical and rational. But nobody likes
Bass and for good reason, and so her her crowd
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is getting very nervous, and they're starting to go on
the offensive. And there is nothing more stupid than when
a politician and their backers are backed into a corner.
They've got nothing going for them, no way to defend themselves,
and then they come up all kinds of wild They
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come up with like a wild political strategy to change
the narrative, I think is what they say. You have
to change the narrative. And they start talking about all
this nutty stuff. And Karen Bass has a supporter named
Joanne Kim. Now Joe Anne Kim is the chief of
staff to the City Council President Marquis Harris Dawson, who
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was the acting mayor of the day of the fire
and did nothing useful, all right, so he was a
complete waste. Joan Kim is the chief of staff. So
she has put out an email trying to round up
support saying that right wing billionaires have weaponized the fire
and is waging a disinformation campaign against the mayor. A
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disinformation campaign. She went to Africa. There's photos of her
in Africa drinking. What disinformation campaign? Seriously, you think this
is going to sell. You got twelve people dead and
just a reminder, Joe Ann Kim, whover the hell you are?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Let's see how many I'd see?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
You know, how many structures were destroyed in the Palisades
fire six eight hundred and thirty seven five thousand, four
hundred and nineteen homes, single family homes, one hundred and
thirty five, multi family homes, one hundred and fifty eight
commercial structures. Total number of structures that were destroyed sixty
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eight hundred and thirty seven. How crazy are you? How
crazy are you? You're saying, well, this is uh the
oh you know what she goes after she's claiming Karen
Dash is under attack from wealthy oligarchs. Oligarchs has been
the new word of the year, hasn't it. How many
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times did you hear the word oligarch before Musk and
Trump took over? And now she's trying to throw Rick
Caruso in the same category because all these people are
really successful. They make a lot of money and employ
a lot of people. Being successful used to be.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Well.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
It used to be that people admired the successful. Because
what has Rick Cruso done other than build these beautiful
shopping centers and resorts that people enjoy by the many
millions people go to the grove. The only thing bigger
than the Grove in southern California in terms of attendance
is Disneyland. But now he's a wealthy oligarch. Nicole Shanahan,
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she bankrolled to Robert Kennedy's campaign, and now Nicole Shanahan
is bankrolling a campaign to recall Bass. Bass's people are
claiming these are highly partisan attacks amplified by a hard
right media apparatus. A hard right media apparatus, we don't
have any in Los Angeles. What is she talking about? No,
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it's that you you went off to Africa and almost
seven thousand buildings burned in the Palisades, and then when
you came back, remember that walk, that walk of shame
at the airport. You wouldn't speak, and you have been
cold and hard. There's been no empathy, no understanding, no apology.
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And should we go through the list of sins. You
half funded the fire department. Fire department was funded by
fifty percent. The reservoirs were empty. That was your fire chief,
that was your DWP head. The hydrants didn't work, the
fire engines were by one hundred of them were in the.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Shop getting fixed. Except we have no mechanics.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
This is a highly partisan hard right media apparatus that's
making all these facts up.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
I know plenty of people, plenty of Democrats who are
very pissed off about how Bass handled this situation.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, well, because you live among a lot of Democrats,
and so do I believe me, the west side of LA.
There's no hard right apparatus built on the west side
of LA. Most of the people I know are Democrats.
Most of the people I know are Democrats lost their
homes in the Palisades.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Many of them voted for Bass.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
They are angry because Bass is incompetent and overwhelmed. And
I don't think the glectful begins to describe what's going on.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
How do you know?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
How do you not know one hundred and seventeen million
gallon reservoir is sitting empty?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
How do you not know that? Do you? You?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Pich In thes Kenonias, you picked the fire chief. How
do you not know that the fire department's only fifty
percent funded? That's your stretch. You did that on purpose.
You decided this is what we're going to spend. We're
going to spend fifty percent more on homelessness than we
are going to spend on the fire department. You chose
that even though the homeless set more than half the fires,
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that was your value judgment.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
How come we don't know the cause yet of the fire.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
We don't hear anything about that anymore I know, or
about people that we know who's homes burned, because not
a single fire engine showed up. I don't know where
that's gone away.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
They don't discuss it, and there is no sign that
they ever will discuss it. But what started the Palisades fire?
I see periodic stories on the Eton fire because they're
looking at a particular electrical.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Line, right so cal Edison, so cal Edison.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
And they thought it was de energized, but they think
it may have gotten re energized through a process that's
not worth explaining at this point, and that might have
been the ignition.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
But nothing on the Palisade.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Except that there was a fire New Year's Day that
was put out, and then the theory is it possibly reignited.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
But that's a theory, and we haven't heard anything more.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Well, and they've been investigating it for two and a
half months. By now, there's nothing more to investigate. And
if they don't know, or it was another homeless guy,
some other bum in the wilderness there and they don't
want to admit it. Right, that's the last thing bass
is going to admit that one of our homeless guys
got loose, didn't end up inside safe.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
And then today we have the mayor and police chief
talking about crime down in twenty twenty four. So we've
moved away from we've done right.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Changed the subjects.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, so this joe An Kim was again a chief
of staff to the city council president. She wrote a
thousand word email quote, this is their strategy. This is
the right wing disinformation campaign. Exploit tragedy, distort reality, divide
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the people.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
We won't let them. What do you mean distort reality?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You mean there's not seven thousand buildings burned, there's not
twelve people dead. Somebody go up to the twelve people,
make sure they're dead. Maybe that's a distorted reality and
they're actually alive. Divide the people, divide who we'll watch
this live on television. We all saw the photos online
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that she was drinking in Ghana, that she came off the.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Plane looking sullen and angry.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Kim wrote, I ask you to use every communication platform.
You have to shut down the lies and show where
we stand with our mayor where you're gonna go on
Twitter and say Karen Bass is great. Karen Bass wasn't
in Africa, seven thousand homes didn't burn, twelve people didn't die.
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That whole corner. Los Angeles is not a not all
a barren wasteland. We drove through there over the weekend.
We were on our way to something in Malibu. Oh man,
it's just so bad. It's just so sad and so awful.
There's some other nut named well, I gotta take a break.
Vaheed corsand president of the city's Board of Public Works.
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He recirculated the email warning that the billionaires are coming
for La. He's running the Board of Public Works and
he's that nuts. Course on to a high level Bass employee.
Oh maybe some of these people are afraid they're gonna
be unemployed.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
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Speaker 3 (26:53):
I didn't even finish the Karen Bass story about her
supporters going on the offensive and pacifically. The chief of
staff to the city council president to the useless Marquis
Harris Stawson again acting there the day of the fire.
So he's got this Joe Anne Kim, who's the chief
of staff, and she sends out this rally around Karen
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Bass email.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And I forgot to.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
She said that these attacks against Bass are highly partisan,
amplified by a hard right media apparatus. I don't know
what that would be, and rooted in racism.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Hah, it had to be that people in the palisades
are angry because Karen Bass is black, not because their
home burned to the ground.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Do you understand that those are even Pacific palisades? According
to Joe and Kim, it's because you're a racist that
you're angry at Karen.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Bess probably didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
You probably thought it's because she ran off to Ghana
while you're home burned to the ground and nobody from
the fire department showed up. Ah, you're wrong. This is
exactly why the right is coming after her. It's why
they're using any means they can, like this windstorm. Oh,
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the firestorm has been diagraded to a windstorm. They're using
any means they can to attack her. They know that
Karen puts people first. Maybe the president of Ghana. She
put him first?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Is that crazy?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
And that last quote came from Vahed krsand the president
of the Board of Public Works. Wow, he got on
a zoom webinar to praise the mayor for the recovery process.
By the way, she did go public and say that,
you know, they got a lot of it cleaned up
in the first twenty eight days. Phase one is over.
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And she kind of stood there and took the glory.
That was all the federal government. That was the EPA
and the Army Corps of Engineers. Karen passed had nothing
to do with that. That was the That was the
federal government. Yes, you know, he's right, that's that's why
everybody's going after her. They're going after her because of race,
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and they're going after her because Karen puts people first.
What does it even mean Karen puts people first. Also,
a strategist for the bass reelection campaign is some loser
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named Doug Herman. Imagine having this job, what do you do.
I'm trying to get Karen bass reelected. Really she's the running.
Doug Herman says that mayor's closest allies will rally behind
her in the face of a recall, he said the
mayor's team. The mayor's team did not ask Joan Kim
or Vahid Corsand to advocate on her behalf right, Okay,
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I believe that there was no coordination at all. They
embarrassed themselves entirely on their own. This is going to
be a very entertaining year. Karen Bass tries to get
us to forget there was a fire. There was never
a fire because they never found a cause. And if
there's no cause, then there was no fire. All right,
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
I don't know if you saw the New York Post.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Over the years, they have loved to publish photos of
El Salvadoran prisons because there, especially in the last couple
of years, I think the L. Salvadoran president went to
war and put away hundreds of not thousands, of gang
members and crime violent crime dropped dramatically. And if you've
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ever seen the photos, they lay these characters down side
by side, body to body. They're nearly naked, and most
many of them are covered with tattoos all the way
to the top of their head. I mean every square
inch of skin on some of these characters is tattooed.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Over the weekend, Trump and Tom Holman the borders are.
They sent hundreds of gang members and other undesirables to L. Salvador,
including many members of Trenduragua, which is that famous Venezuelan
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criminal gang organization. They also sent some MS thirteen L
Salvadoran gang members to talk about the legality of this.
Because Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act of seventeen ninety eight,
which I'm sure you haven't heard of. Let's talk with
Art Arthur here. He's with the Center for Immigration Studies.
(01:32):
Here's their national security and immigration expert, and Art can
probably explain all this.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
How are you hey, I'm doing fine, John, Thanks so
much for having me today.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It's good to have you on.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Explain under what laws Trump was able to deport these
guys to El Salvador and not their home countries. I mean,
I know there's a judge who tried to stop the flights,
but they said, whoops, too late already there. Just go
through the legal aspect with us.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
So yeh, John, And you know, it's important to note
the fact that generally, when we think about deportation, it
means that we're going to deport you back to your
home country. But in many instances those home countries don't
cooperate with US government officials and taking bad people, in
particular criminals. So the Immigration and Nationality Act, which is
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the cornerstone of immigration law in this country, permits the
federal government to remove aliens who have been ordered to
ported to a laundry list of countries from the last
country in that laundry list is any other country that
will take the aliens. So, you know, needles say, we'd
like to do it by nationality or place you were born,
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or place that you've resided or that you had a
residence in the past, but all else sales, we can
always send you to any country that will accept you. Now,
very few countries actually want any additional criminals. They many
of them are dealing with the criminals of their own.
But in this particular instance, and shortly after he took office,
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President Trump, his you know, Secretary of State Mark or
Rubio met with President Naive bu Kelly of El Salvador
and President Boukela, you know, is a very good partner
of the President, and agreed to take criminal aliens that
the United States have that he couldn't send anywhere else.
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So that's why those planes were landing in San Salvador
because many of them that trende Iragua members are from Venezuela.
We don't really have very good diplomatic relations with Venezuela.
Sandy criminals back there is difficult, and El Salvador is
a country that'll take them. So off to San Salvador
they went.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Now a judge stepped in and wanted the plane flights stopped,
and the Trump people said too late. They took off,
and then the judge says, we'll turn them around, and
Trump goes out to verbal order. We don't have a
written order. And by by time they went back and forth,
the blames had landed. The prisoners were sent to prison,
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and I think the El Salvadoran president put out a
tweet that said, oopsie, uh, you know they're here already.
There's nothing anybody can do.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Is that the way it's gonna rest. That these guys
are out of the country permanently and a judge can't
do anything to reel them back in.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So the judging question is Jed Boseburg, who's the chief
judge of the US District Court for the District of Columbia,
And that's one of the most powerful federal courts in
the United States, one of the most powerful district courts
in the United States. And Boseburg himself was appointed to
the d C Court first by George W. Bush and
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then thereafter to the District Court by President Obama. So
he's an interesting person and his decisions really come down
you know both ways. Generally, he's often thought of as
pretty fair jurist. And what Judge Boseburg did was he
issued an oral order and then about fifteen twenty minutes
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later he followed it up with a written order. And
the argument that the Trump administration is making is by
the time those orders were issued, those planes were in
international airspace. They were no longer in the United States,
so it wasn't appropriate to return them. Whether or not
Judge Boseburg agrees with that analysis is a question. And
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you know, I certainly understand, you know, President Bukela making
light of the whole thing, but I would hate to
be the US attorney who's having to go into Judge
Boseburg next to explain what happened. But yeah, I mean,
this is one of those things that's probably, you know,
going to get reviewed by a higher court, and it
is possible that, you know, either Judge Bosburg or some
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other judge up the line will order the United States
to return those individuals to this country. That's happened in
the past. It doesn't happen very often, but you know,
this is plainly a unique case. When we're talking about
two hundred and fifty just about trend to iragual members
or alleged to trend to Aragual members in about twenty
three members of MS thirteen. So yeah, I mean it's
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possible that, you know, they could say, well, you know,
what's done is done, don't do it in the future.
Or it's possible that they could issue an order telling
the US government to bring those folks back.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Trump has been so belligerent and so defiant, at least
in his rhetoric. I talked with some other legal analysts
about this, and he didn't have an answer. What happens
if Trump decides not to follow a court order like
this and orders everyone on his staff don't take any
(06:50):
action or you get fired, then we have a strange standoffs?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
How does that play out?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
We do have a strange standoff, and you know, really
we have and seen anything like that in American history
ever since President Andrew Jackson directly disregarded orders that were
made about Native American displacement back in the early nineteenth century.
And you know, President Trump, since he has retaken office,
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you know, has stated that he would comply with federal
district court orders. I think that you know, what happened
in this instance, you know, was the situation where the
White House believed that it had a perfectly fine legal
argument that it could make for why it wasn't going
to turn those planes around again they were no longer
in the United States. And you know, district court judges
(07:38):
have limited jurisdiction. But it's also possible that the President
is attempting to challenge the very concept of nationwide or
universal or galaxy wide injunctions, where one judge one place,
can you know, set a rule that applies to everybody.
We know that the Supreme Court that you know, certainly
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the conservative judge this is on the Supreme Court, many
of them don't like nationwide in junctions. They think that
you should only issue an order involving the case before you,
not a larger category cases. But yeah, I mean, if
you know there is an order from the Supreme Court
that the President disregards, would set up a constitutional crisis
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that would have to be resolved. But you know, it's
the president is the head of the executive branch, you know,
two point two million plus employees, whereas you know, your
average district court judge has a couple of clerks and
a secretary and maybe you know some US marshals that
they can call upon, but really very little ability to
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enforce those orders. Generally, the enforcement of those orders is,
you know, simply by the rules of committee, not comedy committee. Yes,
that govern the judicial and the executive branches.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
This only works if everybody decides they're going to play along.
Can you hang on for another Art I want to
continue discussing this Art Arthur Center for Immigration Studies. He's
a national security and immigration expert, and we're talking about
Trump and Tom Homan deporting over two hundred and fifty
violent illegal aliens, many of them from trendyar Rogweather Venezuelan
(09:18):
Gang and MS thirteen, the El Salvadorian Gang.
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Roun every day from one until four and then after
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We continue with Art Arthur Center for Immigration Studies. He's
a national security and immigration expert, and Trump deported two
one hundred and fifty plus illegal aliens to l Salvador
to be put in this horrific prison that the Salvadorian president,
(09:51):
Nahib Bukelly keeps the worst, most violent criminals. Look up
some photos or videos of what that prison is like.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It's stunning.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
We have sent out, like I said, over two hundred
and fifty plus illegal aliens, and there is as we
went over in the last segment, this dispute over whether
Trump should have turned the plane around after getting an
injunction from a federal district judge, Trump used the Alien
(10:22):
Enemies Act from seventeen ninety eight, which most people have
never heard of. What is this and does it seem
like it's the appropriate law that Trump used?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
So the Alien Enemies Actor, the AEA was enacted in
seventeen ninety eight in reaction to a feared invasion of
the United States by France, which was then in the
froze of the French Revolution, And it's part of the
Alien and Sedition Acts we're taught very briefly about when
we're all in school, and they never really tell you
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a whole lot about them. But the Alien Enemies Act
permits the executive brand to detain nationals of countries with
which we are in the midst of a declared war,
or alternatively, to detain and deport individuals foreign nationals who
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are in the midst of an invasion of the United States,
and President Trump's argument is that these criminal groups and
you know, we call Trende Aragua gang, but it's more
like a pretty well run cartel, and you know MS
thirteen is, you know, a street gang, but a pretty
well organized one.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
The argument is that they are de facto governments and
regions of the country that they come from. And in
the case of Trinde Aragua, the President is alleging that
to a certain degree, their activities in the United States
are in line with the actions of the Venezuelan government,
where you know, we have a very adverse relationship with
(11:56):
the Venezuelan government under Nicholas Maduro, the current cater of
that country. We don't recognize Maduro as the president. So
you know, that is the fundamental basis and those are
you know, some of the questions that are before Judge
Bosberg on the DC District Court right now is, you know,
whether it's appropriate to use the Alien Enemies Act in
(12:16):
this situation and how far the president can go in
expelling those individuals from that country. Again, there's not much argument. Well,
there's some argument as to whether or not the Venezuelan's
involved or actually trend to Aragua members. You very rarely
find a cartel member that admits as such. But you know,
the the question becomes, then, if they are actually members
(12:39):
of this trend to Aragua cartel, is it appropriate to
use the Alien Enemies Act rather than the Immigration and
Nationality Act. The Immigration and Nationality Act provides many statutory
and constitutional safeguards that aren't present in the Alien Enemies Act. So,
you know, in this it's an argument that that you know,
(13:01):
people have gone both ways on uh and in fact,
it used to be, you know, a couple of years ago,
you would get a lot of people on the left
that would argue that these you know, large, well organized
transnational criminal organizations are de facto governments. You're not going
to hear that argument made much these days.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Because it supports Trump now.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, yeah, because it supports Trump now exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Well, I mean with the drug cartels for example, because
we've talked a lot about this, when when when they're
shipping a product that kills one hundred thousand people a year, fentanyl,
and they have thousands of really soldiers all along the border,
and they're doing human smuggling, and they run a sex
trade and a sex slave trade really and and all
(13:46):
the drugs, and they're earning billions of dollars. Clearly, they're
more powerful than the Mexican government because the Mexican government
really rarely touches these guys.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So it seems.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Practical reality, you are dealing with a separate government with
its own army which is actively killing Americans.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, and when we talk about the border situation, one
of the things that those cartels do is that they
charge a piso or attack and smuggler that's bringing an
illegal migrant through what they deem their territory. Uh. And
the reason that they deem it their territory is because
in many of those areas they're more powerful than the
Mexican government. And you know, from that perspective, it's you know,
(14:28):
a pretty strong argument to you know, to make. We've
also seen that, you know, many of those cartels have
been designated as terrorist organizations because they use the same
sort of methods that terrorists used, and they do it
for much the same purpose, in order to control an area,
uh and to subdue a civilian population. So, you know,
(14:52):
this is it's a very unique, it's a novel interpretation
of this Act. Last time it was used was during
World War two, h you know, in during the you know,
truly regrettable detention of large numbers of Japanese people Japanese, yeah, who.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Weren't criminals and weren't part of any kind of organized
invasion or criminal or war operation. They truly were just
minding their own business and they were taken from their homes.
I mean, compared to that, it seems like Trump would
be on solid ground here.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, And you know, that's a key point. And you know,
I expect that that's going to be a point that
that the Trump administration is going to run raised. You know,
the the President Franklin Roosevelt's use of the Alien Enemies
Act to detain those Japanese Americans was Koramatsu Cormatsu versus
(15:50):
the United States, and Kormatsu the Supreme Court actually sided
with the Roosevelt administration. But as you know, quite aptly,
you know, this is, you know, these are individuals who,
you know, we could all more or less agree, pose
a threat to public safety, if not national security, which
(16:11):
actually strengthens the Trump administration's use of this support.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Art Arthur, thank you so much. It's always enjoyable talking to.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You, John, Thank you so much, my best of your listeners.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
All right, thanks. See he's with the Center for Immigration
Studies CEE. I asked national security and immigration expert. And
we're talking about Trump's deportation of hundreds of Trendy Iragua
gang members and MS thirteen L Savador and gang members
and they're all sitting in this horrific prison in l
Salvador now and maybe forever.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
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And you miss stuff. You really shouldn't miss stuff after
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on demand also on the iHeart app. You know lost
in the Lost in the whole fire is Karen Bass
will be up for reelection next year, and obviously this
(17:13):
is very destructive to her campaign and don't know what
Rick Rusho is going to do. He's actually putting together
a pretty strong organization to try to help people rebuild,
you know, do something practical and rational. But nobody likes
Bass and for good reason, and so her her crowd
(17:33):
is getting very nervous, and they're starting to go on
the offensive. And there is nothing more stupid than when
a politician and their backers are backed into a corner.
They've got nothing going for them, no way to defend themselves,
and then they come up all kinds of wild They
(17:54):
come up with like a wild political strategy to change
the narrative, I think is what they say. You have
to change the narrative. And they start talking about all
this nutty stuff. And Karen Bass has a supporter named
Joanne Kim. Now Joe Anne Kim is the chief of
staff to the City Council President Marquis Harris Dawson, who
(18:18):
was the acting mayor of the day of the fire
and did nothing useful, all right, so he was a
complete waste. Joan Kim is the chief of staff. So
she has put out an email trying to round up
support saying that right wing billionaires have weaponized the fire
and is waging a disinformation campaign against the mayor. A
(18:41):
disinformation campaign. She went to Africa. There's photos of her
in Africa drinking. What disinformation campaign? Seriously, you think this
is going to sell. You got twelve people dead and
just a reminder, Joe Ann Kim, whover the hell you are?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Let's see how many I'd see?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
You know, how many structures were destroyed in the Palisades
fire six eight hundred and thirty seven five thousand, four
hundred and nineteen homes, single family homes, one hundred and
thirty five, multi family homes, one hundred and fifty eight
commercial structures. Total number of structures that were destroyed sixty
(19:30):
eight hundred and thirty seven. How crazy are you? How
crazy are you? You're saying, well, this is uh the
oh you know what she goes after she's claiming Karen
Dash is under attack from wealthy oligarchs. Oligarchs has been
the new word of the year, hasn't it. How many
(19:52):
times did you hear the word oligarch before Musk and
Trump took over? And now she's trying to throw Rick
Caruso in the same category because all these people are
really successful. They make a lot of money and employ
a lot of people. Being successful used to be.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Well.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
It used to be that people admired the successful. Because
what has Rick Cruso done other than build these beautiful
shopping centers and resorts that people enjoy by the many
millions people go to the grove. The only thing bigger
than the Grove in southern California in terms of attendance
is Disneyland. But now he's a wealthy oligarch. Nicole Shanahan,
(20:44):
she bankrolled to Robert Kennedy's campaign, and now Nicole Shanahan
is bankrolling a campaign to recall Bass. Bass's people are
claiming these are highly partisan attacks amplified by a hard
right media apparatus. A hard right media apparatus, we don't
have any in Los Angeles. What is she talking about? No,
(21:08):
it's that you you went off to Africa and almost
seven thousand buildings burned in the Palisades, and then when
you came back, remember that walk, that walk of shame
at the airport. You wouldn't speak, and you have been
cold and hard. There's been no empathy, no understanding, no apology.
(21:33):
And should we go through the list of sins. You
half funded the fire department. Fire department was funded by
fifty percent. The reservoirs were empty. That was your fire chief,
that was your DWP head. The hydrants didn't work, the
fire engines were by one hundred of them were in the.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Shop getting fixed. Except we have no mechanics.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
This is a highly partisan hard right media apparatus that's
making all these facts up.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
I know plenty of people, plenty of Democrats who are
very pissed off about how Bass handled this situation.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, well, because you live among a lot of Democrats,
and so do I believe me, the west side of LA.
There's no hard right apparatus built on the west side
of LA. Most of the people I know are Democrats.
Most of the people I know are Democrats lost their
homes in the Palisades.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Many of them voted for Bass.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
They are angry because Bass is incompetent and overwhelmed. And
I don't think the glectful begins to describe what's going on.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
How do you know?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
How do you not know one hundred and seventeen million
gallon reservoir is sitting empty?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
How do you not know that? Do you? You?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Pich In thes Kenonias, you picked the fire chief. How
do you not know that the fire department's only fifty
percent funded? That's your stretch. You did that on purpose.
You decided this is what we're going to spend. We're
going to spend fifty percent more on homelessness than we
are going to spend on the fire department. You chose
that even though the homeless set more than half the fires,
(23:23):
that was your value judgment.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
How come we don't know the cause yet of the fire.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
We don't hear anything about that anymore I know, or
about people that we know who's homes burned, because not
a single fire engine showed up. I don't know where
that's gone away.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
They don't discuss it, and there is no sign that
they ever will discuss it. But what started the Palisades fire?
I see periodic stories on the Eton fire because they're
looking at a particular electrical.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Line, right so cal Edison, so cal Edison.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
And they thought it was de energized, but they think
it may have gotten re energized through a process that's
not worth explaining at this point, and that might have
been the ignition.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
But nothing on the Palisade.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Except that there was a fire New Year's Day that
was put out, and then the theory is it possibly reignited.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
But that's a theory, and we haven't heard anything more.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Well, and they've been investigating it for two and a
half months. By now, there's nothing more to investigate. And
if they don't know, or it was another homeless guy,
some other bum in the wilderness there and they don't
want to admit it. Right, that's the last thing bass
is going to admit that one of our homeless guys
got loose, didn't end up inside safe.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
And then today we have the mayor and police chief
talking about crime down in twenty twenty four. So we've
moved away from we've done right.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Changed the subjects.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, so this joe An Kim was again a chief
of staff to the city council president. She wrote a
thousand word email quote, this is their strategy. This is
the right wing disinformation campaign. Exploit tragedy, distort reality, divide
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the people.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
We won't let them. What do you mean distort reality?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You mean there's not seven thousand buildings burned, there's not
twelve people dead. Somebody go up to the twelve people,
make sure they're dead. Maybe that's a distorted reality and
they're actually alive. Divide the people, divide who we'll watch
this live on television. We all saw the photos online
(25:39):
that she was drinking in Ghana, that she came off the.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Plane looking sullen and angry.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Kim wrote, I ask you to use every communication platform.
You have to shut down the lies and show where
we stand with our mayor where you're gonna go on
Twitter and say Karen Bass is great. Karen Bass wasn't
in Africa, seven thousand homes didn't burn, twelve people didn't die.
(26:10):
That whole corner. Los Angeles is not a not all
a barren wasteland. We drove through there over the weekend.
We were on our way to something in Malibu. Oh man,
it's just so bad. It's just so sad and so awful.
There's some other nut named well, I gotta take a break.
Vaheed corsand president of the city's Board of Public Works.
(26:33):
He recirculated the email warning that the billionaires are coming
for La. He's running the Board of Public Works and
he's that nuts. Course on to a high level Bass employee.
Oh maybe some of these people are afraid they're gonna
be unemployed.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
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Speaker 3 (26:53):
I didn't even finish the Karen Bass story about her
supporters going on the offensive and pacifically. The chief of
staff to the city council president to the useless Marquis
Harris Stawson again acting there the day of the fire.
So he's got this Joe Anne Kim, who's the chief
of staff, and she sends out this rally around Karen
(27:17):
Bass email.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And I forgot to.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
She said that these attacks against Bass are highly partisan,
amplified by a hard right media apparatus. I don't know
what that would be, and rooted in racism.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Hah, it had to be that people in the palisades
are angry because Karen Bass is black, not because their
home burned to the ground.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Do you understand that those are even Pacific palisades? According
to Joe and Kim, it's because you're a racist that
you're angry at Karen.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Bess probably didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
You probably thought it's because she ran off to Ghana
while you're home burned to the ground and nobody from
the fire department showed up. Ah, you're wrong. This is
exactly why the right is coming after her. It's why
they're using any means they can, like this windstorm. Oh,
(28:22):
the firestorm has been diagraded to a windstorm. They're using
any means they can to attack her. They know that
Karen puts people first. Maybe the president of Ghana. She
put him first?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Is that crazy?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
And that last quote came from Vahed krsand the president
of the Board of Public Works. Wow, he got on
a zoom webinar to praise the mayor for the recovery process.
By the way, she did go public and say that,
you know, they got a lot of it cleaned up
in the first twenty eight days. Phase one is over.
(29:07):
And she kind of stood there and took the glory.
That was all the federal government. That was the EPA
and the Army Corps of Engineers. Karen passed had nothing
to do with that. That was the That was the
federal government. Yes, you know, he's right, that's that's why
everybody's going after her. They're going after her because of race,
(29:29):
and they're going after her because Karen puts people first.
What does it even mean Karen puts people first. Also,
a strategist for the bass reelection campaign is some loser
(29:52):
named Doug Herman. Imagine having this job, what do you do.
I'm trying to get Karen bass reelected. Really she's the running.
Doug Herman says that mayor's closest allies will rally behind
her in the face of a recall, he said the
mayor's team. The mayor's team did not ask Joan Kim
or Vahid Corsand to advocate on her behalf right, Okay,
(30:16):
I believe that there was no coordination at all. They
embarrassed themselves entirely on their own. This is going to
be a very entertaining year. Karen Bass tries to get
us to forget there was a fire. There was never
a fire because they never found a cause. And if
there's no cause, then there was no fire. All right,
(30:37):
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Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.