Mental Health Awareness Month Final EP.(The Crash Out )

In this episode, Beomhan will discuss a personal mental health moment in his life. The so-called Crash Out.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hello everybody, and welcome back to The K Factor Everything
k Pop hosted by Bomhan, where we peel back the
curtain on the behind the scenes of what's happening in
K pop today. As part of Mental Health May we
are currently tackling the intricacies of mental health and a
K pop industry. We have a therapist with us today
at my psychiatry and without further ado, let's get right
into part two of our mental health series. I had

(00:33):
like this huge crash out on the internet because like
I felt so justified in the things that I was doing.
I was like, okay, I worked hard to be here,
Like I like every day, I worked harder.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Than everybody around me to like build this and build this.
Who are you to come and tell me what I
am now? And when people was like like like, admittedly,
I didn't make it like a mistake and I made
like a joke that I shouldn't have and then but
then like, oh, sorry for.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Being hum and right, okay, yeah, sorry, sorry being human.
You know oil it goes through your bloodstream, not blood, right.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
I apologize, And I was like okay, okay, I'm going
to learn from this. And then I was eager to learn.
I was like, okay, oh wow, okay, well that was good. Okay,
I still wanted to take accountability for you know. But
then like I started getting death threats and like like
like just crazy slurs.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Sometimes humans can be so ridiculous. I'm telling you, it's
it's so sad, and I'm just glad that you didn't
allow it to affect you that much because we want
to be here today, right I would say that because
we're here today, we know chill, having this good stuff,
so you have some striking you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
But I'm definitely handling it different from from when I
did the first time, and I'm proud of myself for that. However,
I had it outburst and I started defending myself like
crazy and it's like it's like, you can't call me that,
and it's like I'm like, I'm like, okay, what's different
from last time is that I have more self worth,
so I have to show this. So I was like

(01:58):
I was like, yo, you can't call me. And then
it's like oh like this and I'm like the stop,
like like who are you to tell me this? Like
I went through all these things this year, like like
like like like I left my company and like I
had to deal with all this like expandonment, like an enstranglement.
And then like like people were stealing from me, and
I was moving to places and I wasn't sure when
I was living at that moment, like all these there

(02:20):
was all these things go going on, like I even
had like a stalker situation, or like I want to
find peace and all these things.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
I forgave everything. I forgave so much that year.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Right and and then this was like, oh my god,
like you and I had like this big crash out
and this big explosion.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
And uh, again from being human because you could hold
but so much your your glass can get so much
full and without you outpouring. It's only a human response.
I mean, it may be a little bit more intent
to someone else that may respond to something else. But
I'm sure if someone was in your shoes, you cannot
tell me about anything until you're walking and living in
my shoes, until you're in my DNA. Then maybe I'll

(03:00):
give you some sort of a leeway to maybe have
a comment. And again it's easy said than done to say, oh,
it's just words just worse. Sometimes words you know, can
really you know, dig deep, you know, and I always
say they just words. I always analyze the messenger before
you anilize the message. It's when you do actions that
kind of really bothered me. When you say the stork
situation or things like that. People who physically do certain
things that can make you feel off. But I always
say this that when you're trying yourself to kind of

(03:22):
circle back and back back, I always say, it's just worse.
But some people can't always take it that way because
you're so passionate about what you do and it's just
all in you. So I totally get it. But again,
your outbursts, it could be from so many different things.
You couldn't have slept that night. It could have been
something you could move meds. You could have been a
situation where you were just that stressed out. You don't
know what could have experienced right before. I don't know

(03:42):
if you saw there was a social media and when
this gentleman came on, I think he was an attorney
or something like that. It was part of the state
did something. He's like, yeah, my wife just died, so
we got to continue with this whole entire Like wait
a minute, He's like, right, now I really want to
just kill over and just cry. But we got our
job to do. And I'm like, boll He's like, yeah,
and both of my one of my my daughter lost
her legs in the car accident, and my son is
a critical condition. We're like, why are you here? His

(04:03):
response is very different. So, now if he came on
doing it quote unquote exactly what you did, what would
make his situation different than us because he had an
accident or he had something that happened to him behind.
Everybody handles things differently. So you had enough and once
you have enough, how it comes across it doesn't make
a difference because you're defending yourself. But some people like,
oh he had a psychoticg breg Oh he had a crash,
he had this. No, I'm just tacking back because I'm

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tired of you. That's it. That's just what it is.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
But again, now you know for next time, to learn
from your mistakes. I try to learn from other people's mistakes.
But something like that, I always say, now my best.
When I see certain situations with other people, I'm like,
I'm going to handle that difficult. You see how she
reacted with that or he reacted with that. Now I
know if I come across something like that, just learn
from other people's mistakes, but you learn the best from
your own mistakes.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Okay, Then what do you think is to take away
that I should be having from that moment, because there's
a lot for me, there was a lot of consequence
and I'm personally not proud of the fact that there
was anger involved in Like when I reached that break,
Do you think I should have found a way to empty.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
The glass before the glass broke?

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Do you think there was a different way I could
have expressed my hurt in that moment?

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Or like what do you think?

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Really?

Speaker 3 (05:11):
It really depends on that comes with, you know, practicing mindfulness,
being able when place and certain. This is where some
stain therapy measures really make a difference. Some people go
through cognitive behavioral therapy, they go through talk therapy, whether
it's DBT or even just you know, just practicing mindfulness
of taking steps back. You know, me, I was a firecracker.
You know, I know for a fact that I'm ready

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to every situation has to be addressed. Now, it is
what it is. But I sometimes I'm not going to
New York right now, I'm going to be able to
be an extra. And I think about it, I'm like,
you know what if I do X y Z, it's
going to really, you know, put a whole like stigma
on me itself. So even like something with social media,
I'm very mindful about what I post, you know what
I mean, because sometimes some people could get offended by it.

(05:53):
So sometimes I say, you know, I'm not going to
post it because it reflect other people. And I have
a son, you know myself's like, Mom, I saw your page.
I'm you got my page?

Speaker 5 (06:01):
You just kid, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (06:02):
You know, So I'm very mindful because people are so
unfortunately they live a facade, they live on social media.
They think social media is real life. Now I'm actually
a real person in real life outside of the social media.
I'm a real person. So as far as you reacting
the way you did, could we have done a better yes,
but you can on f the situation right, It already happened.
So we got to also say to ourself. Number one

(06:24):
thing I always tell people is that the world cannot
do is take accountability. You took full accountability of your actions.
You know how many people my Max boyfriend sill. Don't
take accountability of being a for nonsense, you know, and
it's a grown man. So with taking accountability and actually
being sorry without repeated behavior makes sense. And now if
you said, oh, you took accountability and then you have
another one and then another one, they're like, you know what,

(06:45):
he's full of crap. If they want to judge you
from your first experience, your first situation, so be it.
It's gonna happen. You are who you are. This is
why you have what you have. You wouldn't be here
today without the critics. You wouldn't be here today and
be as awesome as you are if you don't have
the haters. They're promoting just when you got the followers.
They're the first one to log in first, you want
to log in, the first one to see you for
they want to take a front row seat to see
you fall. So I always remember that, So I tell people, listen,

(07:07):
let them come, being the whole audience, being right in
first one, because you're not gonna win, yes, you, so
you're human. Failure is the number one thing to success.
You have to fail. So maybe you feel that you
approach about how you respond to the situation. So now
you know, cognitive wise, I want to do this again.
I'm not going to show them. You know, it is
what it is, But don't beat yourself up too much
because it's going to drag. And that's what And I

(07:27):
say that to say because I've been in an unfortunate
relationship and I would drag you know, things that I did,
I did, I would beat myself up. And so my
brother was like, would you stop it? Like ye'ah, human,
I have the first person that's going to do this
and you're not the last. Can you just stop, you know,
And I'm like, you know, you're right, Oh shit, I'm human.
Oh okay, I'm human. But again, accountability is number one.
A lot of times you have people in this world
as that will take no accountability and just don't know

(07:48):
how to say, you know what, I was wrong and
it was my fault. I'm sorry, I was being a
human and then being you know, apologetic about it. Now,
if you haven't repetitive behavior, you know, you say sorry,
this is nothing without repeated behavior.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I kind of I wanted to dive into that situation
a bit, so I kind of help people like understand
what happened in that moment and it wasn't just like
a like a sudden snap, you know. Yeah, And then
like I kind of brought up the situation like a
year ago, and like when when the wave came, it
brought me back to that moment, and it brought me

(08:20):
back to like that guy that that was like nineteen
years old and like a loan in Korea and like
facing all these things. And then I think I put
my shield up to protect that person, correct, you know,
And then I think things started going out of control
because like I hadn't taken my medication.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Oh that's a price. That's a classic. A lot of
people who don't take medications are not don't take if
they're on it and they have a break or peer
where they stop it, it's not even your fault at
that point. It's the medication that's not balancing in the
brain itself, and then it's going to allow you to
present sort of features that you can't control.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
So okay, And I was because it's been like a
course of like two years where I was like, Okay,
I'm going to use the medication to build my system
of like not cope, but like to deal with these things.
And a lot of it was like my, my, my,
my perception of self worth right, and then I was like, okay,

(09:16):
when this happens, I'm going to lean on this. And
then I went on like a big break without my medication.
And then as like these things were happening and happening,
I didn't realize how much the problems and like the
build up, you know what I mean of, like all
these things that were happening, they were like kind of
filling up the glass was actually affecting me. And then

(09:37):
I like, once the wave came, I was like, okay,
time to lean on the system.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
And then I threw it up and then.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
It kept going up and up and up because I
was like, you know what a matter of fact.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
And this and you.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Know, I get it and I totally understand. But depending
on and I tell all my patients this, I have
a lot of patients that I play some medications just
as a buffer, as a barrier just when they face
with certain situations that they don't take a significant dip.
So a lot of times they'st not on medications there
probably don't need it. And a lot of external factors
play a significant role in your behavior, in your mental status.

(10:18):
I tell people all the time, I said, listen, if
you're in a bad relationship or you're in a bad job,
you know, we can medicate toll you blue in the vase.
Unless you eliminate those external factors or try to be
able to cope or modify those external factors, your symtoms
are going to still persist, but it's going to keep
numbing it and numbing it, and then you can be
like a zombie. And that's not the purpose of being
on medications. However, depending on the type of medication, the
class of medication, how you're supposed to take it, if

(10:40):
you're taking it proper, if you have gaps in it automatically.
You know, the brain has a bunch of newer transmitters
in the brain. You have serotonin, you have dopamine, you
have gamma, you have GMD, you have a bunch of
medical I mean a bunch of newer transmitters in the brain.
If those particular medications are targeting super a certain newer
transmitter and it stops abruptly and we always take off meds,
it's going to present you you and put you into

(11:01):
a lot of acute phases and you can act out
in certain ways that you're not even away. You're aware
because you're your present. But some things you can't control.
So a lot of times when patients have a psychotic break,
or they have a certain mood swing, or they do
certain things. The first thing I asked to just would
did you stop them abruptly? Did you tape off without
telling me? Or you know? Sometimes if you engage in

(11:21):
certain type of recreational things, you know what I mean?
I tell people, if you if your med's not gonna work,
if you're still gonna be stiff in as cocaine this,
you can't keep continuing to do this.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
I won't stabilize. It's not gonna work if we're.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Gonna continue to have it. Put my microdos doc. No,
well you can't have it.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
You can't.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
You can't do this, you know or you know it
depends if even nicotine and certain if you're vaping seven
times a day, it's not vaping and vaping services inhibited
to a lot of medications. So if you're taking tenmilograms lexiporos,
like you're getting a negative five, So you have to
let me know what you're doing. I don't couldone bad behavior,
but let me know you're still stiff in the cocaes.
I know, up your dose up so you can get
the real dose in your.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
System, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
So it happens. So, you know, having a break or
stopping medicaid and sometimes going on medication doesn't necessarily mean
that you have mental illness. You're just providing a barrier
to protect because once you get more serotonin, get more dope,
mean get that things get no benefitent in the brain
and everything, it levels you out. It allows you to
become even, you know, and it's the world that makes
you uneven. So he said me, get myself to be even.

(12:17):
So if I'm faced with this type of drama, I'm
able to handle it, and I tell your step outside,
you want to be able to keep your job, like
you know what I mean, whatever it is, sometimes.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
I don't make it outside.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
I'm like, you know, I gotta be mindful. So a
lot of that play a major anytime anybody tells you, oh,
my dad or I had this break, or I just
snapped at my husband, did you supplements, Well, you know,
I forgot taking them, you know, for the past three days.
It makes sense. So it's not really only just you
that had the break or had the outburst. It's the
medication that just totally disrupted a new transmitters in your
brain allows you to act in the way you can

(12:50):
control significant difference.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
I didn't think about that, yep, I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
The acuteness was kind of like a symptom of like
the like having an irregular and depending.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
On what type of medication is and unless you have
there's a lot of medications on board now that have
what they call like a seven day half life or
they have like a half life of the medication just
last longer. So those medications I give to some of
my patients like that's very busy with life and they're forgetful.
Like I said, timers for myself, but I know I
have add so I know I'm gonna have to set
a little timer. Fine, but I know medica. I have

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patients that are attorneys, that are you know, big executives,
and if they have they're batting bipolar disorder and it's okay,
like you know, just be able to manage it. It's okay.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
People battle Cardact disease all.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
The time and it took all kind of meds. So
if you're having an over activity in your heart, the
same thing with bipolot or you have an overactivity in
the brain. It's just a different part of the body.
It is what it is. So I tell them, hey, listen,
I know you're a forgetful person. Let's take this particular medication.
The side effects maybe blah blah blah. However, it has
a seven day half life, meaning that if you forgot
to take this medication for seven days, you will not
have a break. You will not have any acute phases

(13:56):
of a like a manic episode, you know. So I
depends on the provider how much your provider knows to
provide at which.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
You described what had occurred in my situation as a
manic episode, because that's how people are like labeling it
on the internet, like, oh, he's having a manic episode.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Oh, it depends. It depends because if you were already
previously diagnosed with bipolars or they could say it was
a manic episode or hypomanic episode. However, you can have
psychotic features that can come from stopping particular medications because
of the abrupt discontinuation, So it can be it can
present like a manic episode. But until they know you're
a history, which they should know obviously, you know your history,

(14:32):
what medications you're on, why you're placed on it initially,
and then you had that. But I keep be on
lexipro and stop lexapro and abruptly and I can present
with the same features that you have because it's again
it's a disruption of the newer transmitters in the brain,
and everybody presents differently. We even do genetic testing now
at our office too, for different types of medications, so
we know once we start your medication, this specific genotype

(14:52):
and this specific medication works well with you. So a
lot of times if you know the answer, hey, mom
is battling depression, Also what medications does mom say? Oh,
she takes We're gonna put you on well, butch too,
because likely if it's working for Mom, it's gonna work
for you too. Okay, So that's what I'm saying. So
it could be a manic episode, yes, because present manic features.
That's why when they have diagnoses, they say, hey, it's
diagnosis with psychotic features or acute onset of skips to

(15:18):
effective disorder. So it's very time related.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
These words are kind of just like baselines, a little
bit of like kind of throw that dart, it's like
there's a little bit of this, a.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Little bit of that.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, it's no true definitive unless you actually had a
situation very time based with you know, with psychiatry, if
you're battling a significant amount of symptoms for a period
of time, and if it's happening three or four times
a week for a four week stretch, most likely it's depression.
And depending on how you present, if someone is having
like excessive spending, like you know, or having like situation

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where they're having significan highs they feel like a take
over the world, and then tomorrow they're like, I'm sure
I'm gonna go on the corner and just sit somewhere.
And you're having that fluctuation in that euphoric and then
going down and then having like this outburst and it's
constantly going on for a period of three months, it's
likely my polar disorder. You know, it really depends. But
sometimes you can have that outburst when you just got
a promotion to job and you feel like you're on

(16:09):
top of the world and all of a sudden, well,
I'm actually just the basic doors.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
Me, you know.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
So it could be, but it's very time based so,
but again, I just want everybody to know a lot
of time, when you have psychotic breaks, it's not only
just due to medication. It could be due to medication,
or it could be due to situations where you're on medication.
You abruptly stop. Anybody has a true or fibrillation, which
is a cardactor, is rhythm of the heart, Go ahead
and stop your eloquence, to stop your other certain medication

(16:39):
that regulate your heart. You're gonna drop that, You're gonna
have a show. You stopped it abruptly. So the same
exact concept, same exact concept. It just people just so
focused on the brain and people being this and being that.
Do you know my medical history. It's the first thing
I asked when I prescribe certain medication. I can't give
you certain medications to help with your anxiety, and I
know this medication can affect your lungs or I have asthma.
Oh thanks for telling me. After the fact, I'm gonna

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strict your lungs even more. You're gonna drop dead.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
You know you can't.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
You know you have to make sure. But that comes
from the provider asking detailed questions because with psychiatry, mental
illness of therapy. People don't tell you the whole entire story,
and sometimes they don't know how to express the whole
entire story because of culture, because of stigma, and just afraid.
So I asked the same questions in ways.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
What do you Oh, Okay.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
A lot of people they go into psychia, like like
they go and they like, okay, you know what, it's
time to get some help. And they try one person
and that person isn't always the best, and then they
don't ask the right questions.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Dating. You should date, You should.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Date your your your psychiatrists.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Especially a therapist too, especially.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yeah, because there's just the right one for you.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
And like if you have a bad experience, Oh my gosh,
I remember like in Korea. Uh, there was a language
barrier first of all, and then when I was doing therapy,
it was because I was obligated to like like like
I was entitled to it from my contract. So my
boss saw it as a schedule as work. So she
came with me to the therapy.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Oh talk about convenience.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, They're like, so how's your work life balance? And
I'm like, well great.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
And then like there was just a bunch of things
that wasn't compatible to me, like I had to like
sign like a death contract.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
They're like, you can't die. I'm like, oh okay.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah, yeah, I know, totally understand. That makes a big difference,
especially when I see some kids. You know, I do
have some kids that are like sixteen seventeen. You know,
the parents should be there, you know, technically, but I
always ask the parent, can I talk to your son
or daughter alone? Right?

Speaker 5 (18:36):
You know?

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Is that okay? And I'm like okay, And it's a
total different dialogue, totally different dialogue.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
You ever have someone like talk to you and you're like, yeah, okay, buddy.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, oh boy, We're not ever gonna go there. I'm like, oh,
I'll be on my phone, like, okay, get to affective
disorder secondary too. Yeah oh yeah, oh.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, yeah, okay, Danny, red flags come up for me.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Not at all? Oh really, not at all.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Oh nice, she's been here before.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
I don't know. Actually I was so nice.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
Cool, I'm gonna I followed you with.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Oh okay, cool, cool, thank you, Okay, I have a question.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
So that moment of overwhelmed burnout into that incident where
I was like you know what.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
That like that like you know what that, you know
was like yeah, and your mom and you know what
I told you.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
I've for the since that that whole incident happened in November,
and it's been about yeah, like the most recent November,
and it's been six months, and I still have not
found a way to deal with it in a different
way besides shutting off like this, the.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Hate wave has been going on for six months now.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
And when I open my social media, like, for example,
if I'm having like a long day and I'm like, okay,
I'm gonna go like decompress. I turned on social media.
I'm scrolling, I feel like like I see like a
hate video that's on my for you page, you know,
and then I start like not being able to breathe.
I start like feeling like constructions in my chest, Like

(20:10):
I literally feel my vision going like like narrow, and
then when people talk to me, I can't hear it,
and then I just can't move. Yeah, and then like
like sometimes I'll like cry and stuff right human Yeah,
but then like it's just it's mostly the biggest response
to me is shut out. And then you know what,

(20:31):
if I'm going to open that door, then I'm gonna
crash out.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
So to shut out or crash.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Outta that you have for yourself. At this point, you've
given yourself I gotcha.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, and it's been six months of me shutting out
because I'm so afraid to crash out again.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Well that's also accountability too, because you know what the
possibility is of you crashing out or really having an
outburst what it led to before. So the fact that
you actually shut is also considered to be some sort
of a therapeutic response, even though in your eyes you're like,
you know what, it's not really you should be able
to face it and deal with it. However, this is
where dedicated therapy becomes a priority, you know, meaning that

(21:07):
you're meeting and seeing someone at least once a week
and just having a safe space just you and that
person being able to have a good dialogue of transparency
and just to kind of get down to it because
a lot of times you're crashing out or you're not
being able to handle certain situations. Can be from something
that you dealt with in trauma that you as a
child and you haven't really been able to handle it

(21:29):
from years ago and now you actually are in it
and you're like you still still I still can't handle it. No,
you're probably gonna handle it them Before you didn't realize.
But now that you're an adult, and now that you're
in a position that you are, it's more amplified. So
now it's noticeable. So now what happens is when now
becomes when it comes noticeable. Sometimes you always say, oh,
I wish I had a lifeline. The lifeline would be, obviously,
you know, like a therapist or something of that sort,
a dedicated therapist, a therapist that knows what he or

(21:51):
she is doing. I prefer to have a lot of psychotherapy,
not that you're psychotic. Psychotherapy means that you're almost getting
into that inner part of your mind that's allowing you
to reverse negative thinking without an outburst. You know a
lot of times people like, well, just count to ten
and you'll take ten deep persts. I might not already
had the gaff.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
I'm not gonna go like.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Ten seconds later, like like you know, But but practicing differ.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
I break in between my crash out, that's all it was.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Definitely, it becomes a challenge. So I always tell people
you don't always have to be on medications, you know,
because it is helpful, but sometimes being on it as
a buffer allows you to not maybe shut as much
or not allowed to have outbursts as much because what's
happening is the brain's just going paywire.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
So you're suggesting like like like a.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Steady and consistent release of the emotions that's building up.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Correct, Okay, correct?

Speaker 3 (22:47):
And I also also feel that when you have someone
to talk to because you are that person, you know,
what happens is that I'm that person. Everybody goes to you.
Everybody you know respects you. Everybody you know, it's it's
your show, it's it's you. You know, you are the
go to person. Who do you have to go to this?
I always tell people check on you're happy and healthy friends,
that's at the top, because they need someone to talk

(23:08):
to as as well. I'm like, just because you know
I handle it well, just because you know I show
that I'm tough, doesn't mean that I don't need like
a hug, like you know what I mean, a cocktail.
Sometimes people don't recognize because we're so used to being
able to sugarcoat and be able to just handle things.

(23:30):
But therapy is something I always called the non pharmacological
approach to help mental health because it's easy to take
a tablet and deal with the side effects, deal what
have you. But once you have a dedicated person that's good,
that knows you, that understands your story, that is completely
non biased, not everything under the sun that you can
think of, and they can actually give you a true answer.

(23:51):
Because if I go and ask my friend, listen, you
know me, my soul such and such, and I'm gonna go,
and she's like, let's go kill and let's go car
we taking.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
You don't need that.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
You have to talk me out of this, like.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
Theist.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
So I can't ask your friend. But if I ask
my therapist, because I've seen a lot of different therapists,
especially for that's why I say, it's dating a few
and I'm a professional, so and I'm like, I'll talk
to this girl likes what she's talking to me. Nonsense,
you know what I mean. So, of course we are
the worst patients, Okay, the worst patients when you're in
the field. So having said that, when I found a
good therapist that was able to talk to me about
grief and able to realize allow me to not think

(24:29):
that it's not my fault, it took that therapist, you know,
because it took dedicated therapy once a week targeting just you.
There's nobody else. It's not the show, it's not anything.
It's just you and your therapist focusing on you. You
are the priority. And being able because once you have
you play that good positive feedback, and being able to
know how to handle certain things without taking the xanax

(24:49):
or taking a clump and yeah, that's easy, there's no problem.
But people take all time and they fly. It's okay.
But again, being able to handle that fear or that anxiety,
or that urge or that heaviness without an outburst, good
dedicated therapy is really, really really option. I mean the
first option I tell people. And then if you have
to obviously also have meds on board as well. It's
also good. I think it's a good synergistic effect because

(25:11):
a lot of times, you know, after a while, it
gets burned out, so you're new transmitting in your brain.
It's kind of like working out. Your muscles get burned
after a while, you know, it gets fatigued. Same thing
with the brain. So sometimes no matter how much suck
to a therapist, you need a chemical boost as well.
So sometimes just being on medication until you get to
a good point and then just drop the medication to
be with therapy is a good you know, combination as well.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
I think that was my problem. I dropped both completely.
Yeah okay, I was like, okay, yeah, medic METS are
going to go.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
I'm good on my own.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Because sometimes the medication just again provides a buffer. And
some people are not compliant with METS because of side
effects and everything else like that, and some people say, well,
you know what, I don't want to be placed on
METS because I want people look at me like, I'm
on meds, but you took the over the count of
hydroxy cut. That's not FTY approved, Like I mean, come on, all.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
These meds, you know what I'm like.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
You know, you wonder why you know your heart rates
in the one nineties, you know what I mean? So
come on, So, I you know, I wish people would
just talk to me first.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I think there's also like a lot of like a
lot of pushback of therapy is like also the cost
of it, right, but like in my head too against that,
it's like it costes you more to not have it,
Like for me directly, like I've lost jobs, I've lost
like like like sponsorships, I've lost like shows and all

(26:27):
these stuff because of that one little outburst, not little outburst.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Little yeah, yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
And then I'm like, okay, so there's consequence to this,
and it's like the money that I'm kind of shaving
off by not going to therapy, it's costing me more
and just could be that that in like a regular
life for like a regular person too, Like you could
crash out on your boss boom, you lost your job,
you crash out on your family members, and it's like
now you don't have a supports of stum.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
It's like it's not like what you really want, you know.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
So obviously never get a circuit chance to make your
first impression. So unfortunately that was your your first outbreaking
because you are who you were, and a lot of
the thing comes with being who you are. Unfortunately, you know,
they're gonna drag certain things and people just dre like
why are they amplifying It's like, as much as this
whole P. Diddy case is going, it's going, it's going,
it's going. I'm like, why are we not talking about

(27:18):
the sex trafficking? We're talking about the stuff that he
did with Cassie what he had.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Her to do.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
And I understand that I'm a woman, I get it.
That's disgusting. I totally understand. Okay, who am I to judge?
But isn't he in jail on a trial for like,
you know, the sex trafficking. We have not talked about
the sex trafficking just yet. We're talking about all the
stuff that he made Cassie do and what he meet
other people do. Let's focus on the situation, prime example.
You know they want to focus on everything else that
doesn't matter, but you know your situation. What I'm saying

(27:43):
is that when you're in a position like Diddy, you know,
I mean not like didn he.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Sorry with me? All right? Okay, that you're in.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
You know, you tend to have things amplified more than
what it is, and it just it just makes it
so hard for you. But you're not to let them
win because you're intervening. You have to intervene, whether it
be medications or therapy, even just walks around the block
sometimes you know a couple of col if you find
something that really makes you feel at zen, and it's
kind of hard to be because you can't seay on
go mode, right, So it's unfortunate, but there's ways that

(28:16):
we can kind of do certain things to allow you
or even if you had a friend that you can
confide in. Although I tell people to do that, I
tell them not to do that as often. If you
get a dedicated therapist, even make some time out. Some
therapists even to talk about you on the phone. Sometimes
you have easily accessible therapy, they're like, okay, just give
me as out. Sometimes you need that lifeline, you know,

(28:40):
So it's definitely there. I think I think by dropping
both was heavy, you know what I mean, not that
you you need both. I would say if you need it,
yes you need it, but it's something just to help
preserve who you are, so you don't allow the the
negativity on the outside to take over. Because once they
win their their front role, they're ready. They're ready, they're ready.

(29:00):
And that's why when you world doesn't have to know
you're intervene. If you want intervene and you want to drive,
you do things on your terms. You know, mean it
doesn't have to be out unfortunately in public, but they
want to just drag it. But unfortunately with something like that,
and you know, you felt the difference of the medication.
You know, you felt difference without being therapist. He's like, damn,
maybe I need one another. You don't have to take
mess I would say non pharmological approach first. The pharmacological

(29:21):
approach is always beneficial. It's long be intervening.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Okay, So I want to explore another side of it, okay, Right,
as someone who's worried, not whether like you're like a
fan of someone who you're worried about, or you're a
family member of someone you're worried about, and like, for example,
my family is the biggest crash outs I've ever seen
in my life. Right, And I recently had a conversation
with my sister and she's like, oh, I'm about I'm

(29:47):
better run this be worded through a wall, you know.
And then I'm like, I kind of don't know how
to help. Like I'm not gonna be like, yeah, you
should do it right. It's like like how what what
what do you suggest should like go on in the
head of someone who's kind of witnessing someone go through this.
How can you extend like sympathy or like how can

(30:09):
you like like which is what is the what is
the steps for someone who sees.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Us sympathy is is kind of hard you can empathize
because you're not having the same type experience, you know
what I mean, because that's your sibling, you know, it
definitely is your sister. You know. I always try to,
you know, always analyze the entire problem and say to yourself,
what actually started this, what was the initial trigger? Because
something always makes something. It's like a domino effect. You know,
someone someone comes in angry at work and they're like, well,

(30:35):
they had a good day, you know, work, they had
a good day. You know, at school, they're still battling
something that happened from before. I always try to figure
out if there's something that could have happened some time
ago they didn't have a conversation about, or they're uncomfortable
having a conversation about, or they embarrassed to have a
conversation about. You know, I have that a lot of time.
But unfortunately with some patients that you know, have to
come out the closet, you know, so you know, if
you happen to be you know, gay, and you know

(30:56):
you're only like guys, okay, it's okay, I don't care.
Your heart is still pure to me, I don't care
what you do, Like, it does make a difference to me,
but you don't know what's kind of harboring in them
coming out because they can't come out. So now it's
giving off other different features and different types of personalities
because they balance something you have no clue about. So
sometimes getting to the root of the problem, it's not
gonna happen one night, you know. I mean, that's why

(31:17):
therapy is there. And you're like, oh, so that's why
you've been that way. So that's why you've been throwing
stuff and hitting people and doing stuff because you had
a situation that you can't even express or no one
even bothered to ask what's going on. So it's your sister,
you have to kind of freaking private, And if you're
my brother, I'm like, tell them nothing because my brother's there.
If I want to, if I get into some trouble,

(31:38):
this guy will be coming.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
So that's.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
It just depends sometimes and maybe something she can't even
discuss with you because she may be it may be
private to her and she can be acting out.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
In different being in the closet. Maybe you know, like
there's all these things that you don't know what they're
balancing and they're not comfortable sharing that moment.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
They're just trying to show you the end product.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Right, you know, right, and you're like, wow, why she's
so angry, But she has my pole. She know, she's
just really because she can't come out about something, you
know what I mean. I'm just saying in general. So
sometimes getting down to the root of the problem. Sometimes
there can be something they're not getting over, or it
could be a situation that they are just so upset
that they did. Some people harbor over beating themselves up
and I'm like, it happened already. You got to move forward.

(32:16):
But that moving forward is a challenge, you know. That's
why some people need therapy and then they allowed to.
Forgiveness is so big. Sometimes you forgive negative people and
it's not for them, it's for your peace of mind
because you're going to harbor on how negative they are
and how nasty they are, and how disrespectful they are.
Just forgive them. God forgive you, because once I forgive myself,
how to forgive you. It gives you a peace of

(32:37):
mind because you just focusing on so much negativity. So
unfortunately with your sister, she it's like me I mean
I tell I mean, I tell you. You know, she
may tell like you if you had like a female best friend,
she may tell your female best friend, you know what
I mean. Whatever it may be. Sometimes girls, you know,
girl power, you know, sometimes a little matter with the girls,
you know, but it really just depends. Also even ask her,

(32:58):
you know, even when she has those out bursts. People
are just not not really comfortable going to therapy. Ask
them what's what's comfortable for her as an avenue to
just have a conversation with something, you know. Even I've
had people that would just would you would you talk
to a priest?

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Like would you talk to a lot like? You know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Even if you don't, even if you don't want a
figure that's a therapist, there's other people that are like
life coaches that are not a therapist, but they just
talk to like Ala, I do life coaching as well.
Some people like I don't want to go I know
what you do, but you don't talk to me like that.
I'm like, yeah, I'm kidding.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
I don't want to talk to their basketball coach.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
That's what I'm saying. You can find someone that you
can find them. But depending on what it is and
depending on what's happening, and depending on they know. I
have a for example, I have a patient of mine.
She was happening to be raised Muslim. You know she's
she's from Afghanistan and she's a software engineer, graduate froman
Mariu brilliant. Father's an orthodontist, her mother is an attorney.
Other brothers orthopedic surgeon, other brothers of aascal surgeon. So

(33:49):
we know what we're dealing with.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
It.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
They're coming from a family of nothing but education. And
she happens like girls mm hm, it's okay, Yeah, you're
probably better off somebody.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Somebody's making a challenge. I totally get it.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
So she's only as she when I tell you she comes.
She's on all these mad's move stabilized. She's on this
because she has to completely hide her entire life, entire life.
And you know what she said to me two weeks ago,
she said, the only way I could really live my life, Wellanda,
is if my parents were dead, Because she can't come out.
If she even thinks about coming out, the shunning, the neglect,

(34:26):
I mean, it'd be and she said, I'm not ready
for that, so she'd rather not lived her life to
a piece of parents and you know it is what
it is, just a culture alone. And I had another
patient of similar you know, Muslim and everything else like that,
and she came out, she comes out doing a Ramadan.
I'm like, girl, well you could pick another day to
come out.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
And she came and she figured they were praying and
they're holding around that time, maybe they'd be a little
bit more. When I tell you she's battling suicide idea,
I have to send her to the ED. Two weeks ago,
I said, you have to go because they when I
tell you, the cutoff was so quick and so because
she likes grows, just because she likes gross, but because
culture wise she happens to be Muslim and everything else.

(35:06):
Like they wasn't hearing it, I mean completely, because the
whole family just truanda complete. And then she decided to
leave medical school and go to be this pa. Oh,
my goodness, was even worse off. So you did all
of this during Ramadan and again she cannot.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Function over my dinner listen, and.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Then the girlfriend wind up leaving her. Uh huh oh,
she's institutionalized right now. For the past few weeks because
she's living her life for everybody else and she's not
able to handle it, you know, And that's understand because
she's human.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
She's she's looking cute girl, like you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
She's twenty six, twenty seven, she's very young. Again, when
it becomes so heavy, I would rather you get institutionalized
and get helpless. Guess what, you're institutionalized. You may not
be able to go and come as you want, but
you have a dedicated therapist. You're a dedicated psychiatrist. You're
going through impatient like intensive therapy to allow you to
get your mind because once your mind is settled, when

(36:00):
everybody else doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Okay, this is a little bit for me too. But
like for example, with that, with that example, right, I
want to dive into the psyche of like the parents too.
Write like for example, like I know, like last episode
we talked about mental health and how it signiftized, stigmatized
in culture and all these things. Right, like I'll be

(36:24):
afraid of telling my mom that like, oh, I'm like depressed,
I don't want to go to work, and then like
in her head, she's like I've been depressed for forty
five years and I still put food on the ta.
You better, you better shut your stupid like and get
you know, yep.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Get it.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
So it's like like there's kind of like this the
psyche of the person who like, like are also affected
by seeing these responses, you know, and like I bring
it up because I want to understand the haters, like
the people who who see it and their effect. There's

(37:00):
so much that they have to drag it like like
what like can you just help me understand like what
these people are thinking, Like what kind of what kind
of thing are they projecting? What kind of thing are
they communicating when they when they're like when they see
this kind of thing, and then they attack the person
who needs help.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Some people are just so immature and have no identity
of themselves that they're actually like, oh, I just did
that because he did it because I thought it was funny.
Do you understand what you did? Like some people. Sometimes
It's why I always say to myself, people do certain
things and they think I'm going to just do it
also because that was funny, I'm going to just piggyback,
and I'm like, you're a dummy, Like you have your
own identity, you have your own person when I see
people like that who can't even know themselves, why did

(37:38):
I even think about giving you any part of my
brain cells to allow to fathom your thought process because
you have no thought on your own. That's one, you know.
But it's easier to send the done, you know what
I mean. Again, we have a significant age gap, so
you know, you know, so I'm sure you know. As
far as time frame wise, and I again, I never
have been have two thousand, I have maybe five followers,
maybe included my son.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
I don't have that time.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
I mean on my personal page saying.

Speaker 5 (38:04):
I'm just saying I can totally understand that.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
But as far as that side, this is where again
the therapy comes in, because I always say you have
to analyze the messinger before you analyze the message. Somebody
came to who okay, for example, do nothing with themselves,
you know, living, you know, at the bottom of the
barre or whatever you want to call it, and they
tell you, well, you ain't shit, you ain't nothing. You'll
be like, what do you? You take advice from people

(38:28):
that are doing better than you or doing what you're doing?
You know, you you look up to people every time
you're in a circle at the table and make sure
everybody that the table's doing better than you, because you're
gonna learn from them. You don't want to be at
the table. You're always a leader, you know. I'm mind
being a leader. Don't get me wrong, because depending on
where you're setting, you're a leader. Here you're the guy,
it's your show. Of course you're going to be a leader.
But always make sure that whoever you sit with that
in the event that you can learn something from. So

(38:50):
those people that are on the outside, clearly they have
nothing better to do because they're not They want to
just be negative, and that's understandable because they have nothing
better to do. But the first people that's gonna want
to shoot you down on people, and a lot of
people piggyback off of nonsense, piggyback off of things that
they have no clue. I'm like, do you know the
reason why you just threw that softball to that boy
and hit him in his hand? Or because you did it? Okay,
you're a dummy, you know what I mean. So a

(39:11):
lot of times when you analyze people as dummies and
your brain, you tend to not allow yourself to even
engage certain things. But I always say this to say,
you take advice and you look up to people, so
you never got to get any flack of people that's
doing better than you, or when I say better, meaning
at a different level or doing things that you're doing.
You may get someone's helf. Why go buy that Mercede.
I'm that friend You're like, oh, maybe I want this
Toyota Corolla and know not conld get, but I get

(39:31):
to get the Mercedes. You're the ones other once Tomorrow's
not promise, you know, That's my thing. Always always try
to go up that ladder. Anybody having your circle that
you trust, anything like that, just make sure that they're
actually true. Sometimes you don't know until stuff hit the fan,
because you can be doing so well, you guys in
the same page and you up here, and all of
a sudden you got to hate this going on. Sometimes
you hate this can be right under your nose. It's

(39:51):
just said they camouflage, so at least you know who
your haters are. At least you know the person that's coming,
you know where's coming from. It is what it is.
That's a very very very big thing. It's the world.
When you find out like damn, I know this guy
for so long and he really you know that one
I think hurts more so the people on the outside.
It's entertaining because obviously I actually entertain you that much
that you want to say nonsense. You're taking time out

(40:13):
of your day to focus on me. I love that.
Let me let me. That's how fly you are. It is,
it comes with it. But I definitely always saying when
it comes down to really understanding why other people do
other things, that's something we really can't focus on because
we don't know what's going on in their life or whatever,
just being just stupid and mature. But I always say, now,
when you're faced with their negativity or face with their nonsense,

(40:36):
how do you handle it? Or it doesn't affect you
internally physically, mentally and everything else like that. That's where
the dedicated therapy and the consistency, because you can have
a session it feel great, but it's practices you have
to continue. It's like it's consistent. It's about being, you know,
whold to the whole thing. You know, it takes two
weeks to break a bad habit, they say it me
with add about six.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
Well maybe eight, So.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
I need to go to consistent therapy, and sometimes people
just don't believe in it. So and then when you
have a guess, I say, it's like dating. You have
to make sure that therapist. You don't want to feel
like you're in a session where you're being checklisted how
day today, it's not. That's not therapy. You have to
have dialogue, you have to be engaged, and somebody does
not judging. People like to judge a lot, and it's like,
how dare you look at you? Did you decide to

(41:21):
put conditioner in your here? Did you do? You know?
So you can't judge me?

Speaker 5 (41:24):
Then don't do that.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
I hate when people do.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
That, Like I've never been hated by someone who I
wanted to be there.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
There you go exactly, and anybody's doing well for them
someone I say well for themselves are doing things that
are positive and really are truly for you. That's why everybody,
anybody hang out with I go to different me to
do it. I'm here because of doctor Evans. Doctor Evans
is one of the big attending physicians that I know.
He knows Damon, you know, here we go and guess
what we had a conversation. I just I surround myself
with people that I know are way better than me

(41:53):
because I'm going to learn from you. You're not saying
that I'm from the hood. Don't get me wrong. I
talk to all the drug dealers, I talk to all
the scammers there my friends, But are we going to
actually be in the same room together in a different story,
you know, a little, a little side got to but
you know, but on the for the most part, I mean,
and I tell my son that when you're around people,
make sure the bid if you get shit faced what
they call these days, if you get if you get

(42:15):
that happens to you, make sure you're If you fall out,
these people around you're going to pick you up and
not make funny. You're not being with their camera and
everything else because it's necessari not cool because people are
ready pull their camera out when I see things on
social media, I'm like, you see this person getting beaten up,
the first thing you want to polage your camera. This
world that we live, that's.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
What I feel like is happening right now.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Like I feel like like like I'm like like I'm
around and people are kicking me and then they're like,
that's pretty funny, dude. And then they're like I'll kick
them too. And then there's like a gang of people
just like with their cameras and they're like there's people
who see like the people with the cameras. They're like,
I want to be on a camera, and they'll come
in and they'll kick me too, and I'm just the

(42:53):
guy getting kicked. And it's like if I stand up
and fight and like stand up for myself, then I'm
crashing out right.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
If you do, damn if you're doing at some point,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, you know yeah, And it's like like I like
the one thing that stuck with my head is like,
like these people they're talking about me, because when they
talk about themselves, no one listens.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
We say it all the time. Is that and that's
a common finding. I say the all the time when
I go to work. I's work in the hospital setting.
I help out at night, you know, to kind of
help them have a smooth night in the hospital setting.
And you have like if this doctor has an attitude
and they'll call and they have these ad I'm like, yo,
was wool you. I was like the reason why I
said I'm not calling you just to say hi. You know,
I'm not calling you because I'm your friend. The only
reason why'm dowaling your number is for this patient. That's

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the only reason why we're talking. A lot of times
people come to work and they come and do a
number of different things and they cannot have this expressions
at home. They're not hurt at home, so they transfer
everything at work and like, oh, this person, she probably
goes home. You kid, you sit quiet, can't do nothing.
You're like your little mouse. So it comes to work
being big and tough. A lot of people reject once
they get out of their setting, and that also happens,
you know. So for example, with my two patients that

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can't come out or one that did come out, and
it's getting shunned. So she'll come to work and she'll
just be like, you know, a whole different person. But
when she gets home, she's a total different person. So
they have to be a certain way because they're not
listening to they're not her for whatever reason. It's both
a good batter and different. And usually with a lot
of the haters, it's just that they I always say,
you wish you could be me. Remember I could be you.
You can't be me. I could do your job, but
you can't do min It's easy to be a hater.

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I could do your job, but you can't do mine.
So always remember that very easy to be. It's easy,
it takes it takes no experience to be a hater.
Wow zero. So always remember, hey, I could do your job,
but you can't do mine. You sit here and be
who I am? Can you actually go through whatever? Leave here,
go to career, do voluntarily, not involuntary. You did that
on your own. Come back. You gotta expect if you
don't have a hater, if you don't have someone trying

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to get you now because they can't do it. But
like you said, you're not anybody that's successful. I doubt
Bill Gates is gonna be like you're whack. I'm doubt
Warm Buffet's going to be like you're you're a loser.
He's always wow, it's great. Multiple streams of income, this
guy is great. You know now, Multiple streams of income
is a necessity. It's it's not even luxury anymore. You
have to They can't even figure it out. They can't

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even figure it out. So I always say that you
could you can hate very easily. They can't do what
you do. But therapy is the key.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Thank you. This has been such a great talk. Thank
you so much, and you've been awesome.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Could you tell them like where they can find your
practice or your social media's and all this stuff.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
My name is Belinda. I am the old co owner
and co founder. Oh here we go, Hi go, owner
co founder of mind Psychiatry. You can go on info
at mind psychiatry dot com, or you could own our
website choose mind Psychiatry and you can get us from there.
You can click on the link. Both my business partner
and I are super excellent knowledgeable as you can see.
You know, we just look at the whole person. We

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don't just look at this one diagnosis. So come to us.
We do ketamine, we do neuropsychological testing, we do genetic testing.
We do a full panel of labs before we initiate
any kind of medication see at all, we go to
a full history. We're available in person, we're available online,
and we also announce our do home visits. So we're
kind of well, I'll come to you, you know, we'll

(46:02):
see depending on what, depending on traffic, but yes, definitely
come to us and we'll definitely help you get your
mind in the right way to move in the right
directions for sure.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Thank you, Belinda, Thank you for for for today, Thank
you for your time. Absolutely, yeah, that's that's that's the episode.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Yep. Oh god, okay, we're going to cut that out
all right.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Well everyone, once again, just a reminder, this is d
K Factor, uh Everything K Pop hosted by Bomhan and
this is the mental health side of the industry and
everything that's been happening in my life recently too, so
please take care reminder that you can find this podcast
on iHeartRadio, Apple podcast, wherever you find your podcast, and
I'll see you guys next week.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
That's it, Mike,