January 20, 2020 • 34 mins
Welcome to Office Hours, a new kind of episode in which we tackle your big questions and common Human Venn Diagram challenges! This week, we’re talking about what to do when you feel overwhelmed — by decisions, work, feelings, social media, the news, or everything all at once. We discuss how to let overwhelm be a map instead of a roadblock, and share lots of strategies to help you choose your next project, begin it with confidence, and get it all done.
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Heart Radio. Okay, I'm Christina Wallace and I'm Kate Scott Campbell.
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inside our virtual office, have a seat, or better yet,
jump on the trampoline. Wait, there's a trampoline. Yep, it's
right between the hammock and the telescope. I did a
rough sketch. Okay, let's let's look at that later. Okay.
Welcome to Office Hours, a new kind of episode in
which we tackle your big questions and common human event
diagram challenges. Today, we're talking about what to do when
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you feel overwhelmed by decisions, work, feeling, social media, the news,
or everything all at once. We'll discuss how to let
overwhelm be a map rather than a roadblock and share
concrete waste to overcome it. So let's jump in, shall we.
Are you trying to make that a trampoline reference case? Yes? No, okay,
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So we're going to kick off office hours by talking
about overwhelm. Christina, I have to tell you that even
thinking about talking about overwhelm is overwhelming. I'm just gonna
put it out there, which is really meta and so
perfect of overwhelmed to feel that way. In order to
kind of scratch the surface of this very common topic
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that we've gotten a lot of questions around, um, we
decided to just kind of go to Google first and
get a working definition here. And by the way, when
you google overwhelm, you will likely land on a heated
Internet debate about is overwhelmed even a noun? Or is
it just a verb? And I love that there's this
overwhelming questioning around the term itself. Again, so perfect? Can
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it be? Ann? So yes it can, and indeed has
been according to the Oxford English Dictionary since at least
fIF So yeah, I think we're good to call it
an Now. I think that's a pretty pretty solid answer there.
So what does it mean? So googling overwhelmed brings up
definitions like to bury or drown beneath a huge mass,
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to defeat completely, to overcome emotionally. There's one writer on
the Internet who put it as this, to feel overwhelmed
in one's life is exactly the sensation that many of
us experienced just before we shut down, breakdown, blow up,
or blow off our response stabilities. It's no small feeling,
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no small feeling. No. By definition, overwhelmed is dramatic. And
you know, I love these definitions because Christina, I don't
know about you, but when I feel overwhelmed, it feels
really dramatic. It feels like this burying or drowning sensation.
It feels like a world one that I'm trying to
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wead myself out of. It feels like it so quickly
can stop me in my tracks. It's interesting that you
say dramatic because actually overwhelmed, especially the noun form of it,
is something that I came across in a play called
Natural Shocks by Lauren Gunderson, who has been on our
show UM. She has this this theme of a tornado
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in this play, and she keeps using this word overwhelmed,
not overwhelming, but the noun and overwhelmed. This overwhelmed. And
there's this great line that says, sometimes you do everything
right and you just can't stop the overwhelm, the flood,
the wind, the game of chance. That certainly feels dramatic,
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and it feels, you know, that moment of I don't
know where to begin, there's too much to do, I
am paralyzed, and you know, I can't help but think
about the state of the world and everything surrounding us,
the piece of news, all of these things can feel
overwhelming outside of us, and then you layer on kind
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of all the things that that you're personally dealing with, professionally,
all of those things. It is amazing that I don't
know that we don't feel overwhelmed every day. Yeah, it can.
It can really kind of make you feel like you're
in over your head. Christina, I love that point, because
I do feel like it's almost like there's these two
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parallel slippery slopes into overwhelm, a personal slippery slope and
then this global slope. Like you said, there's the endless scroll,
the news feed, the ever present social media, right, and
then when you're someone who has a lot of projects
going on and you're really curious about a lot of things.
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There's so much personal potential for overwhelmed too, And for me,
overwhelmed is a very common feeling for me. I mean, Christina,
I have to tell you, I think for so much
of my life, particularly my adult life, my thermostat has
been set squarely to overwhelmed. In fact, you know, yeah, exactly,
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Like I don't think I realized until quite recently that
my life didn't always have to feel overwhelming, you know,
like that doesn't have to be my natural state. And
it can show up from everything to my workload, to
how much laundry I have to do, to emotions that
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I'm going through. But I'd say one of the biggest
ways that it shows up for me is in making decisions.
And I think that really what that's tied to is
this relationship between me and my intuition. Right as someone
who has like self proclaimed people pleaser for so much
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of my life, like the overwhelm that will feel around
decisions often comes down to my ability to get really
in tune with what is right for me. What about you, Christina,
how does it show up for you? I Mean, I
definitely have these moments, especially when I list out everything
that I've committed to there's you know these cycles. I
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think you probably feel them to where you know you
might be ending a project or things are kind of
naturally winding down, and all of a sudden there's this
panic of it, will I ever have any new projects
ever again? And and so then I start saying yes
to everything under the assumption that maybe not everything will
pan out, but always there's more panning out than I
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have time for, and then we get back into this
crunch phase, right. And so I think learning these cycles
and observing kind of my patterns of decisions over the
years is something that gives me the opportunity, with maybe
a little bit of hindsight, to say, oh, this doesn't
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have to be something that constantly comes back to your
point of like Thermostat being set to overwhelm. This is
something that I do actually have some control over. It's
an expression of fear. I think, like perfectionism or some
forms of procrastination, Giving into the overwhelm gives it authority,
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and you can decide that you can find your way
out of that tornado. But it takes action. It takes steps,
as opposed to sort of sitting in it and letting
it wash over you and allowing yourself to be paralyzed.
The good news is you can break this habit totally,
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that you don't have to be subject to the overwhelming
momentum of overwhelm. Instead, it can really act as this
map right to figure out what it's really trying to
tell you and then to take steps like you said,
of action, no matter how small. And the great news
is as human ven diagrams, we are really built to
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problem solve in this way and to sort of break
the norm of this overwhelm. So we're going to talk
about some of those steps by bringing in a listener
to talk with us. So joining us today, we have
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who's a senior undergrad student at the University of California,
Irvine where she's pursuing a double major in informatics and
car niche of Sciences with a specialization in human computer interaction.
She's also an international student from Mumbai. So extra, what's
your question for us? Yeah, so a little bit of background.
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Given my psychotomist academic subject. I juggle with projects across
various topics like coding. You have designs in research like
pretty much every day, so very often before I started
new project, you know, for classes or just side projects.
I have this tendency to feel overwhelmed even though I
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know I can do it and like I'm excited about learning,
but at the same time, you know, there's that overpowering
feeling of being overwhelmed. So I noticed that it's not
even the projects itself, it's like other actors related to it,
like deadlines or other projects that I'm also working on.
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Our fear that won't be able to do it to
the best of my ability and wanting to like creach
the standards that I created for myself. So my question is,
how do you be that feeling of overwhelmed and just
get to it? You know it ship that. I'm curious
when you do feel those feelings of overwhelmed and you
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broke it down so beautifully, of feeling like you're not
good enough if you won't be able to do it
to the best of your ability. What like what happens?
Do you find yourself just feeling overall paralyzed? You stop?
Do you procrastinate? Do you panic? Like? How does it
show up? Yeah? It varies. Sometimes I'll procrastinate just like
sit on it, just think too much, and I'll take
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time to actually come to it and do it, or
it's like if I have ten things to do, I'm
just like on and off you just does and I'm
not getting anything done. I mean, the switching costs, especially
between mean lots of different things. I feel like sometimes
it's an easy way to feel like you're being active,
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like you're doing work, but really you're just kind of
like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, if that
makes sense. Um. And so sometimes, like, especially when you're
juggling lots of different projects, instead of kind of bouncing
back and forth between them, just be like is this
one still alive? Is that one still going on? Okay,
I've got whatever, right, like to allow yourself a little
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bit of that time to say, I'm just going to
focus for thirty minutes or an hour. I'm going to
choose to kind of get started on this new project
that that I know I need to kind of get
off the ground, and that maybe those first steps are
not you know, sketching out the whole of this giant
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project that you have to get done. But it's just
sort of a what I call a kind of the
critical path, which is like, Okay, what do I have
to get done by when? And which things are dependent
on other inputs. Maybe this is a group project, or
maybe I have to do some research and there are
books that I have to get from a different library
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and I have to put in a request and that
takes some time. Whatever that is. It's sort of like,
map out from here to the finish line, which things
could you know affect my ability to do the next
steps and kind of back solve. Okay, well when do
I have to get them done by in order to
make it possible to get from here to there? And
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then once you have that critical path mapped out, take
a break, breathe. It's like you don't have to do
it all right this second, but just have that kind
of roadmap of do I understand how to get from
here to there? And where are the possible places along
the way that could get complicated? And now I know
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what that looks like. You know, I think to shut up.
What I love about your question is that I love
that you know that you can do the projects right,
Like you know that it's not about the project itself
that causes a feeling. And it sounds like you're already
really aware of these different types of feelings that come up,
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these different little hurdles, right, maybe some feel bigger than little,
but you're you're aware of these hurdles. So I think
it's also you know, knowing how you work and and
also when you work best. Like, for example, maybe there's
a certain kind of project that you're like, you know,
by the time I get to that in the afternoon,
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like I just don't have the capacity for it. So
I know that's one that I'm going to always want
to kind of do maybe early in the morning, right,
Or or to say, like this project, if if this
is a project that like really requires my deep creativity,
maybe I'm not going to hit the ground running as
soon as I start working on it the time that
I blocked out of my calendar. Maybe I'm going to
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have like the first I experienced this a lot the
first you know, twenty thirty minutes or longer an hour,
you know. I think Seana Rhymes talks about in her
book that she has to do like all of the
list of things that she has to do in order
to be able to get to the idea that she
wants to write about. And so also like really respect
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your process and maybe use this as a as a
learning tool for how do you work, you know, what
do you need to work best and and really honor
that if it's your own project and not for an assignment,
Like do you really need to build an accountability for
yourself whether that's just on your own calendar or with
a friend or a colleague, or you call in a
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teacher to help or whatever. The part you mentioned about
accountability like, I think that's kind of hard to create
when you're doing your personal project, when there's someone associated
with it. It's it's like you don't you know? I know.
For me, for example, if I know there's a personal
project I really want to make, I will always ask myself,
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how can I engage others to help me have that accountability,
whether it's announcing it on my social media that it's
happening by a certain date, which I have totally done
before without even thinking about the reality of that timeline.
The video is math Brain. That this was totally a
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math Brain store. I mean actually that I wanted to
make this video called math Brain by Pye Day. I
announced two months before that it was happening. I didn't
have a team, money, or a script, but there was
something in me that knew I needed to make it.
So I just threw myself out publicly like that. Now
you don't always have to do that either, you know.
Another example would be, okay, I know I want to
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do art more. How could you engage some friends and
members of your community. Do you have a Monday night
art night in a living room where you all just
hang out and make some art together, or it's a
month or you know, how can you start to engage
in sort of not just formalize, but like make it fun.
I have a writing partner and on Sunday night, we
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send each other an email this just like here's how
many words I wrote last week and um. And then
every couple of weeks we swap pieces that we're working
on and give each other thoughts or comments, or we
might hop on a phone and talk through something we're
stuck with it. But it was that realization that neither
of us had a deadline or a boss, or a
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grade or a dollar amount attached to this work that
would ever help us prioritize it. But it mattered to
both of us, and so the one way to do
it was I feel like I owe her something, and
I make sure to get that work done. Now? Am
I perfect? Every week? No, but knowing that I have
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that rhythm helps me make a little bit of progress,
even if it's just a couple hundred words. I can
see that working to bring my roommate on. Also, I
just want to speak to what you said about overwhelm
will bring up feelings of not being able to do
it right, not being able to do my best, not
being good enough, and so you know I I know
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that so well. And so I've just started to use
the opportunities of overwhelmed to really listen to the stuff
that my mind is just like throwing at me, you know,
and to really say, like is that valid? Like why
is that? Why am I going there? Is that valid?
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And the answer is no, right, And so I would
say most of the time, if not all. And so
then to say, all, right, what do I know is
true about me? I know I'm a person with many interests. Well,
that's great, So naturally I am going to do a
lot of stuff. That's awesome. I'm someone who wants to
make things and be engaged in the world. Great. Have
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I felt this way before and figured a way out
of it? Yeah? Can I do that again? Absolutely? The
question always comes back to me is like is this
self flagellation useful, you know, because often in these moments,
ge're sort of like, you know, I can't do this,
I'm not I don't know what to do next. I
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should never have agreed to this. I'm never going to
get it done in time. I'm a terrible person, you know,
just spirals. Yeah, the monologue sound familiar, and I think
and it's that moment where you have to stop the
monologue and say, is this useful? Is it motivating me
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to do my best work, to sleep well, to take
care of myself, to be happy. All of those things matter,
Believe it or not. It's not just about achievement. Still
learning that lesson too. Um, If this, if this monologue
is not helping me, if it's only ripping me down
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or or you know, making me feel paralyzed, then I
just need to tell it to shut up and reprogram
what that monologue is. And if it has to be
something super corny like I'm smart enough and strong enough
to figure it out, then you say that as many
times as you need to to take your next step,
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well right, And I would also say, you know, patients,
patients and time certainly in school, and I would just
say living in the world as a person, like there
is a general direction towards overwhelmed and malaise, Like it's
easy to pick it up right, like it's and you
see it happening all around you. Over the loves drama. Yeah,
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it loves to be dramatic. It loves to catastrophizes, it
loves to turn little things into huge disasters. Right yeah,
And that's when you go like, Okay, I get it.
You think that this is helpful. Strange little voice who
maybe I'll name Gertrude. That's what I call mine. Um, yeah, guys,
it's give it a name, be like Gertrude. Cool. And
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it goes back to that what's that Elizabeth Gilbert thing
where she's like when she talks to Fear, She's like, here,
I get it, You're gonna always be here. That's good.
I don't know if she said this, but to me,
I'm like, fear is great. It means that I'm doing
new stuff. It means that I'm growing, it means that
I'm putting myself out there. Great, it's always going to
be there. But I think the Elizabeth Gilbert thing is
it's going to sit in the backseat, right like I'm
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behind the wheel. You can just like rattle off back
there fine like you're going to, but I'm gonna turn
the music up and drive this car right. I love
that you guys are great. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
So Christina, I feel like our takeaways from talking with
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are notice how you speak to yourself, right, if you
have a Gertrude head talking to you, which, by the way,
I just need to justify that name came from this
moment in sixth grade when one of my classmates just
out of nowhere turned to me and she said, you
look like a Gertrude like with so much tone in
her voice and so no offense to any Gertrude's out there.
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That is why mine is called Gertrude. But also, Christina,
I loved your point about back solving right, like figuring
out where you need to go. Yeah. I mean sometimes
all you need to know is there is a way through, right,
and you don't have to follow that way. You just
need to know that there is one. And that's where
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back solving can be really useful. Start with the end,
work your way backward, prove that there exists a path through, yeah,
and respect your process in getting there right, like, when
do you work best? Do you need accountability? How can
you really support yourself in getting there? Absolutely all really
good actionable steps that anyone can take to get through
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those moments of overwhelm. I'm taking copious notes over here
in my head. So let's hop over to another listener
question that we got over email from Fobby, who is
a working professional exploring new interests. So, Fobby rights, I
found that I have multiple curiosities. We fail you there, Fobby,
but I can't tackle them all at once, also fail
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you there. Therefore, I need to choose and postpone some
other projects. How should I choose which project to focus on?
And we should also note that Fobby told us that
she has a full time job as a project manager
that she actually really likes. She's just feeling drawn to
starting a blog or a side business, but she's curious
about very different things. In her case, she's interested in sustainability.
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She's also interested in personal finance, which could certainly live
on the same blog, but but likely would be different ventures.
So it's not a matter of a total career change
at this point, but of knowing that there are only
twenty four hours in the day, and not knowing what
to focus on. That's leading to Fabby's particular feeling of overwhelm.
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I mean, this is something that I recognize very deeply,
and I would say, Fabby, we get you. Here's the thing,
when you're trying to decide between two different things, there's
no wrong answer, right, Like, you can't screw this one up.
So really the question is how can you lower the
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stakes of trying and you know, find a way that
you could run an experiment to learn a little bit
more about each of those projects before you decide which
one to invest in and which one to postpone. So
for instance, that instead of you know, building an entire blog,
maybe you just write a blog post on each of
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those two topics and publish it on medium. And on medium,
I don't know if you know this, you can actually
pitch a piece, you publish it yourself, and then you
can submit it to different collect actions that have different themes,
different audiences, So you don't have to build your own readership.
You can actually you know, tap into an existing community
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for that. And the great thing about that is you'll
get to see what sort of reader reaction you get.
Do they leave comments? Are people engaging with you know,
your your perspective, do you have a unique take on
that topic, and you'll get a sense of, you know,
which one of them might you be more interested in
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building out before you have to build the brand, build
the community, build the audience, all of the complications of
launching an entire blog. I love that so much because
you know, again, I think that doing as we've talked about,
action is such a great antidote to overwhelmed. Overwhelmed hates action.
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And the paradox is that often a tiny action is enough.
It's like David and Goliath, right, is enough to like
totally smack down a big wave of overwhelm. I love that,
you know. I would add in say you are someone who,
like Fobby, has multiple interests. But instead of feeling like, okay,
it's between these two things, let's say it's between these
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ten things, right, and you're just like, oh my gosh,
my head, Kate, what are you doing? Oh my gosh, Christina,
you and I see each other very clearly. But let's
say it's like, Okay, I'm just gonna throw out some things.
Let's say you're like, should I shoot my first short film?
Should I take a coding class. Should I start a
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cookbook I'm really just king here, or let's just take
four or should I have some tap lessons? Oh my gosh,
I was about to say dance. I love that you
said tap. I mean. So this is this exercise I
did in a workshop years ago that really stayed with me,
where you essentially just write out those four things on
a piece of paper and again it could be forty
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things in no particular order, and then you just take
them pair by pair. So between shooting, let's in my
first two are shoot a short film, learn to code?
Between those two, just those two, you put them up
against each other, and you go between those two, if
I had to try one, if I just had if
there's only if I got pick one, let me what
would that be? And then in your second column you
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write whatever the winner was out of that pair, and
you do that for each pair. So now you have
a list of half the number of projects and you
keep whittling it down that way until you get to one.
Now it's really a fun exercise to just like change
up the order and seat is there a is there
a winner? And again this is like what would I
do if I could do one now, not that I'm
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not going to be able to get to all of them,
but what would I pick now? I mean, this is
basically how I choose what to eat off of the menu.
So I like this approach, and now it's made to
be hungry. I too, am hungry. So um, here we are,
so thanks so much Bobby for the question. Keep us posted. So, Christina,
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at this point, are you feeling more overwhelmed or less
overwhelmed by overwhelmed? I'm probably feeling like I've got a
good handle on how to deal with it. You know.
I think there's so many of the tactics that we
talked about with Acita and with Bobby, but the key
that we keep coming back to is just taking action,
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right that to have the ability to say, I don't
know what the answer is to all of this, but
I'm going to at least take a first step, because,
as you pointed out, overwhelmed hates action, so just doing
anything will get you closer to kind of getting out
of the eye of the storm. If we want to
continue our tornado metaphor, and I think, you know, my
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my favorite approach to all of this is I'll start by,
you know, making my list usually the list is what
triggers the overwhelm, and then I will go and block
out time on my Google calendar for everything that's on
the list, and it's usually a good first test for
how feasible this list is, right, like does it fit
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on the calendar? Or do I need to cut something
or lower my expectations or maybe change the timing on
one or two of these things, like if it literally
doesn't fit in twenty four hour days, we need to
go back and reassess. And then there's sort of the
second layer, which is is it doable but only with
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a minor margin for error, which we all know is
not realistic, Or it's doable, but it leaves me with
no downtime or recovery time. I don't get to eat healthy,
or exercise or sleep as much as I need to.
I can pull this off by the skin of my teeth,
but only just in those cases. You've got to go
back and reassess and really think about how can I
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reprioritize or re juggle or you know, as painful as
it might be, go back and say I should have
never said yes to this, and I'm so sorry, but
I need to take it off my plate right now,
because I'm going on like fifteen twenty years of this
behavior longer if we count, you know, junior high in
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high school that I know, I will pull it off
by the skin of my teeth and then I will
be burnt out, you know. And so you just you
have to know what works for you and be willing
to kind of take those action steps up front to
prevent these moments of disaster instead of accepting that this
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is how it's always going to be. You know. That
reminds me of something that I've been saying to myself
a lot lately, which is just because I can doesn't
mean that I should right cross stitched on my wall.
I don't know if that's a mere original or if
I got it from somewhere. So I'll have to get
back to you on that. We'll just attribute it to
the Internet. I'll just put like dash internet. Internet takes
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credit for so much. Yeah, but I love about that.
To Christina, is it really goes back to the why
why is this thing on my plate? Is it because
it's something that I really want to do? Is it
because it's something that I think someone else really wants
me to do? Is it because I was afraid to
hurt somebody by saying no, so I said yes. Like,
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and that's going back to that original idea of overwhelming
this great map because it really asks you to take
a look at the choices that you have made, and
like you said, if there are things that need to
come off of your calendar, you know, there's ways moving
forward of saying no sooner right, of like more proactively
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preventing the overwhelmed. But I think that's why what's been
helpful for me too, is this idea of pausing versus
letting overwhelm just shut you down, pausing and really noticing
what overwhelm is causing you. And as we've talked about
overwhelmed really kind of just being a face of fear.
What it's causing you to say to yourself and how
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are you talking to yourself? And I love what you
mentioned to about really you know, being kind to yourself
and saying, yeah, I am smart enough, I am strong
enough to figure this out. And when that I'll say,
who knew? Oh wait, we did, yes, you know. But
it's like one of the things that I'll say to
myself is I may not know what to do right now,
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but I will, but I will when the time is right,
I will, and I will go so far as to
say to myself, I always know what's right for me,
even if it doesn't feel that way at the time,
because I'm in the cloud of overwhelm. To really like
hold myself elf in that way allows me to then
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take action, right for sure? You know, you don't have
to listen to us. There's an HBr article Harvard Business Review.
They've published a wonderful article that we will link to
in our show notes that just sort of breaks it down,
you know, in probably very similar framework that we just
talked through to really help you understand the source of
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your overwhelm, how you can set those boundaries, how you
can kind of challenge those assumptions and take action. Yea,
So that article is great. We'd love to know what
resources you guys are finding out there and your journey
to overthrow overwhelm, and also when and how do you
feel overwhelmed, how does it show up for you and
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O W, we'll know what it's about. Great. Well, Christina,
I think I'm going to go make a list of
all the things that I want to eat for dinner tonight.
That's that's a lot of choices. It's feeling overwhelming, I know.
And thus we soldier ar what you decide, and then
I'll just eat that. Oh wait, so this is all
on me. I'm feeling overwhelmed. It's okay, I'll take action.
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Welcome to Office Hours, a new kind of episode in
which we tackle your big questions and common human event
diagram challenges. Today, we're talking about what to do when
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you feel overwhelmed by decisions, work, feeling, social media, the news,
or everything all at once. We'll discuss how to let
overwhelm be a map rather than a roadblock and share
concrete waste to overcome it. So let's jump in, shall we.
Are you trying to make that a trampoline reference case? Yes? No, okay,
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So we're going to kick off office hours by talking
about overwhelm. Christina, I have to tell you that even
thinking about talking about overwhelm is overwhelming. I'm just gonna
put it out there, which is really meta and so
perfect of overwhelmed to feel that way. In order to
kind of scratch the surface of this very common topic
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that we've gotten a lot of questions around, um, we
decided to just kind of go to Google first and
get a working definition here. And by the way, when
you google overwhelm, you will likely land on a heated
Internet debate about is overwhelmed even a noun? Or is
it just a verb? And I love that there's this
overwhelming questioning around the term itself. Again, so perfect? Can
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it be? Ann? So yes it can, and indeed has
been according to the Oxford English Dictionary since at least
fIF So yeah, I think we're good to call it
an Now. I think that's a pretty pretty solid answer there.
So what does it mean? So googling overwhelmed brings up
definitions like to bury or drown beneath a huge mass,
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to defeat completely, to overcome emotionally. There's one writer on
the Internet who put it as this, to feel overwhelmed
in one's life is exactly the sensation that many of
us experienced just before we shut down, breakdown, blow up,
or blow off our response stabilities. It's no small feeling,
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no small feeling. No. By definition, overwhelmed is dramatic. And
you know, I love these definitions because Christina, I don't
know about you, but when I feel overwhelmed, it feels
really dramatic. It feels like this burying or drowning sensation.
It feels like a world one that I'm trying to
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wead myself out of. It feels like it so quickly
can stop me in my tracks. It's interesting that you
say dramatic because actually overwhelmed, especially the noun form of it,
is something that I came across in a play called
Natural Shocks by Lauren Gunderson, who has been on our
show UM. She has this this theme of a tornado
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in this play, and she keeps using this word overwhelmed,
not overwhelming, but the noun and overwhelmed. This overwhelmed. And
there's this great line that says, sometimes you do everything
right and you just can't stop the overwhelm, the flood,
the wind, the game of chance. That certainly feels dramatic,
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and it feels, you know, that moment of I don't
know where to begin, there's too much to do, I
am paralyzed, and you know, I can't help but think
about the state of the world and everything surrounding us,
the piece of news, all of these things can feel
overwhelming outside of us, and then you layer on kind
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of all the things that that you're personally dealing with, professionally,
all of those things. It is amazing that I don't
know that we don't feel overwhelmed every day. Yeah, it can.
It can really kind of make you feel like you're
in over your head. Christina, I love that point, because
I do feel like it's almost like there's these two
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parallel slippery slopes into overwhelm, a personal slippery slope and
then this global slope. Like you said, there's the endless scroll,
the news feed, the ever present social media, right, and
then when you're someone who has a lot of projects
going on and you're really curious about a lot of things.
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There's so much personal potential for overwhelmed too, And for me,
overwhelmed is a very common feeling for me. I mean, Christina,
I have to tell you, I think for so much
of my life, particularly my adult life, my thermostat has
been set squarely to overwhelmed. In fact, you know, yeah, exactly,
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Like I don't think I realized until quite recently that
my life didn't always have to feel overwhelming, you know,
like that doesn't have to be my natural state. And
it can show up from everything to my workload, to
how much laundry I have to do, to emotions that
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I'm going through. But I'd say one of the biggest
ways that it shows up for me is in making decisions.
And I think that really what that's tied to is
this relationship between me and my intuition. Right as someone
who has like self proclaimed people pleaser for so much
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of my life, like the overwhelm that will feel around
decisions often comes down to my ability to get really
in tune with what is right for me. What about you, Christina,
how does it show up for you? I Mean, I
definitely have these moments, especially when I list out everything
that I've committed to there's you know these cycles. I
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think you probably feel them to where you know you
might be ending a project or things are kind of
naturally winding down, and all of a sudden there's this
panic of it, will I ever have any new projects
ever again? And and so then I start saying yes
to everything under the assumption that maybe not everything will
pan out, but always there's more panning out than I
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have time for, and then we get back into this
crunch phase, right. And so I think learning these cycles
and observing kind of my patterns of decisions over the
years is something that gives me the opportunity, with maybe
a little bit of hindsight, to say, oh, this doesn't
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have to be something that constantly comes back to your
point of like Thermostat being set to overwhelm. This is
something that I do actually have some control over. It's
an expression of fear. I think, like perfectionism or some
forms of procrastination, Giving into the overwhelm gives it authority,
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and you can decide that you can find your way
out of that tornado. But it takes action. It takes steps,
as opposed to sort of sitting in it and letting
it wash over you and allowing yourself to be paralyzed.
The good news is you can break this habit totally,
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that you don't have to be subject to the overwhelming
momentum of overwhelm. Instead, it can really act as this
map right to figure out what it's really trying to
tell you and then to take steps like you said,
of action, no matter how small. And the great news
is as human ven diagrams, we are really built to
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problem solve in this way and to sort of break
the norm of this overwhelm. So we're going to talk
about some of those steps by bringing in a listener
to talk with us. So joining us today, we have
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who's a senior undergrad student at the University of California,
Irvine where she's pursuing a double major in informatics and
car niche of Sciences with a specialization in human computer interaction.
She's also an international student from Mumbai. So extra, what's
your question for us? Yeah, so a little bit of background.
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Given my psychotomist academic subject. I juggle with projects across
various topics like coding. You have designs in research like
pretty much every day, so very often before I started
new project, you know, for classes or just side projects.
I have this tendency to feel overwhelmed even though I
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know I can do it and like I'm excited about learning,
but at the same time, you know, there's that overpowering
feeling of being overwhelmed. So I noticed that it's not
even the projects itself, it's like other actors related to it,
like deadlines or other projects that I'm also working on.
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Our fear that won't be able to do it to
the best of my ability and wanting to like creach
the standards that I created for myself. So my question is,
how do you be that feeling of overwhelmed and just
get to it? You know it ship that. I'm curious
when you do feel those feelings of overwhelmed and you
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broke it down so beautifully, of feeling like you're not
good enough if you won't be able to do it
to the best of your ability. What like what happens?
Do you find yourself just feeling overall paralyzed? You stop?
Do you procrastinate? Do you panic? Like? How does it
show up? Yeah? It varies. Sometimes I'll procrastinate just like
sit on it, just think too much, and I'll take
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time to actually come to it and do it, or
it's like if I have ten things to do, I'm
just like on and off you just does and I'm
not getting anything done. I mean, the switching costs, especially
between mean lots of different things. I feel like sometimes
it's an easy way to feel like you're being active,
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like you're doing work, but really you're just kind of
like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, if that
makes sense. Um. And so sometimes, like, especially when you're
juggling lots of different projects, instead of kind of bouncing
back and forth between them, just be like is this
one still alive? Is that one still going on? Okay,
I've got whatever, right, like to allow yourself a little
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bit of that time to say, I'm just going to
focus for thirty minutes or an hour. I'm going to
choose to kind of get started on this new project
that that I know I need to kind of get
off the ground, and that maybe those first steps are
not you know, sketching out the whole of this giant
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project that you have to get done. But it's just
sort of a what I call a kind of the
critical path, which is like, Okay, what do I have
to get done by when? And which things are dependent
on other inputs. Maybe this is a group project, or
maybe I have to do some research and there are
books that I have to get from a different library
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and I have to put in a request and that
takes some time. Whatever that is. It's sort of like,
map out from here to the finish line, which things
could you know affect my ability to do the next
steps and kind of back solve. Okay, well when do
I have to get them done by in order to
make it possible to get from here to there? And
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then once you have that critical path mapped out, take
a break, breathe. It's like you don't have to do
it all right this second, but just have that kind
of roadmap of do I understand how to get from
here to there? And where are the possible places along
the way that could get complicated? And now I know
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what that looks like. You know, I think to shut up.
What I love about your question is that I love
that you know that you can do the projects right,
Like you know that it's not about the project itself
that causes a feeling. And it sounds like you're already
really aware of these different types of feelings that come up,
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these different little hurdles, right, maybe some feel bigger than little,
but you're you're aware of these hurdles. So I think
it's also you know, knowing how you work and and
also when you work best. Like, for example, maybe there's
a certain kind of project that you're like, you know,
by the time I get to that in the afternoon,
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like I just don't have the capacity for it. So
I know that's one that I'm going to always want
to kind of do maybe early in the morning, right,
Or or to say, like this project, if if this
is a project that like really requires my deep creativity,
maybe I'm not going to hit the ground running as
soon as I start working on it the time that
I blocked out of my calendar. Maybe I'm going to
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have like the first I experienced this a lot the
first you know, twenty thirty minutes or longer an hour,
you know. I think Seana Rhymes talks about in her
book that she has to do like all of the
list of things that she has to do in order
to be able to get to the idea that she
wants to write about. And so also like really respect
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your process and maybe use this as a as a
learning tool for how do you work, you know, what
do you need to work best and and really honor
that if it's your own project and not for an assignment,
Like do you really need to build an accountability for
yourself whether that's just on your own calendar or with
a friend or a colleague, or you call in a
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teacher to help or whatever. The part you mentioned about
accountability like, I think that's kind of hard to create
when you're doing your personal project, when there's someone associated
with it. It's it's like you don't you know? I know.
For me, for example, if I know there's a personal
project I really want to make, I will always ask myself,
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how can I engage others to help me have that accountability,
whether it's announcing it on my social media that it's
happening by a certain date, which I have totally done
before without even thinking about the reality of that timeline.
The video is math Brain. That this was totally a
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math Brain store. I mean actually that I wanted to
make this video called math Brain by Pye Day. I
announced two months before that it was happening. I didn't
have a team, money, or a script, but there was
something in me that knew I needed to make it.
So I just threw myself out publicly like that. Now
you don't always have to do that either, you know.
Another example would be, okay, I know I want to
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do art more. How could you engage some friends and
members of your community. Do you have a Monday night
art night in a living room where you all just
hang out and make some art together, or it's a
month or you know, how can you start to engage
in sort of not just formalize, but like make it fun.
I have a writing partner and on Sunday night, we
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send each other an email this just like here's how
many words I wrote last week and um. And then
every couple of weeks we swap pieces that we're working
on and give each other thoughts or comments, or we
might hop on a phone and talk through something we're
stuck with it. But it was that realization that neither
of us had a deadline or a boss, or a
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grade or a dollar amount attached to this work that
would ever help us prioritize it. But it mattered to
both of us, and so the one way to do
it was I feel like I owe her something, and
I make sure to get that work done. Now? Am
I perfect? Every week? No, but knowing that I have
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that rhythm helps me make a little bit of progress,
even if it's just a couple hundred words. I can
see that working to bring my roommate on. Also, I
just want to speak to what you said about overwhelm
will bring up feelings of not being able to do
it right, not being able to do my best, not
being good enough, and so you know I I know
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that so well. And so I've just started to use
the opportunities of overwhelmed to really listen to the stuff
that my mind is just like throwing at me, you know,
and to really say, like is that valid? Like why
is that? Why am I going there? Is that valid?
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And the answer is no, right, And so I would
say most of the time, if not all. And so
then to say, all, right, what do I know is
true about me? I know I'm a person with many interests. Well,
that's great, So naturally I am going to do a
lot of stuff. That's awesome. I'm someone who wants to
make things and be engaged in the world. Great. Have
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I felt this way before and figured a way out
of it? Yeah? Can I do that again? Absolutely? The
question always comes back to me is like is this
self flagellation useful, you know, because often in these moments,
ge're sort of like, you know, I can't do this,
I'm not I don't know what to do next. I
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should never have agreed to this. I'm never going to
get it done in time. I'm a terrible person, you know,
just spirals. Yeah, the monologue sound familiar, and I think
and it's that moment where you have to stop the
monologue and say, is this useful? Is it motivating me
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to do my best work, to sleep well, to take
care of myself, to be happy. All of those things matter,
Believe it or not. It's not just about achievement. Still
learning that lesson too. Um, If this, if this monologue
is not helping me, if it's only ripping me down
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or or you know, making me feel paralyzed, then I
just need to tell it to shut up and reprogram
what that monologue is. And if it has to be
something super corny like I'm smart enough and strong enough
to figure it out, then you say that as many
times as you need to to take your next step,
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well right, And I would also say, you know, patients,
patients and time certainly in school, and I would just
say living in the world as a person, like there
is a general direction towards overwhelmed and malaise, Like it's
easy to pick it up right, like it's and you
see it happening all around you. Over the loves drama. Yeah,
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it loves to be dramatic. It loves to catastrophizes, it
loves to turn little things into huge disasters. Right yeah,
And that's when you go like, Okay, I get it.
You think that this is helpful. Strange little voice who
maybe I'll name Gertrude. That's what I call mine. Um, yeah, guys,
it's give it a name, be like Gertrude. Cool. And
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it goes back to that what's that Elizabeth Gilbert thing
where she's like when she talks to Fear, She's like, here,
I get it, You're gonna always be here. That's good.
I don't know if she said this, but to me,
I'm like, fear is great. It means that I'm doing
new stuff. It means that I'm growing, it means that
I'm putting myself out there. Great, it's always going to
be there. But I think the Elizabeth Gilbert thing is
it's going to sit in the backseat, right like I'm
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behind the wheel. You can just like rattle off back
there fine like you're going to, but I'm gonna turn
the music up and drive this car right. I love
that you guys are great. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
So Christina, I feel like our takeaways from talking with
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are notice how you speak to yourself, right, if you
have a Gertrude head talking to you, which, by the way,
I just need to justify that name came from this
moment in sixth grade when one of my classmates just
out of nowhere turned to me and she said, you
look like a Gertrude like with so much tone in
her voice and so no offense to any Gertrude's out there.
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That is why mine is called Gertrude. But also, Christina,
I loved your point about back solving right, like figuring
out where you need to go. Yeah. I mean sometimes
all you need to know is there is a way through, right,
and you don't have to follow that way. You just
need to know that there is one. And that's where
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back solving can be really useful. Start with the end,
work your way backward, prove that there exists a path through, yeah,
and respect your process in getting there right, like, when
do you work best? Do you need accountability? How can
you really support yourself in getting there? Absolutely all really
good actionable steps that anyone can take to get through
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those moments of overwhelm. I'm taking copious notes over here
in my head. So let's hop over to another listener
question that we got over email from Fobby, who is
a working professional exploring new interests. So, Fobby rights, I
found that I have multiple curiosities. We fail you there, Fobby,
but I can't tackle them all at once, also fail
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you there. Therefore, I need to choose and postpone some
other projects. How should I choose which project to focus on?
And we should also note that Fobby told us that
she has a full time job as a project manager
that she actually really likes. She's just feeling drawn to
starting a blog or a side business, but she's curious
about very different things. In her case, she's interested in sustainability.
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She's also interested in personal finance, which could certainly live
on the same blog, but but likely would be different ventures.
So it's not a matter of a total career change
at this point, but of knowing that there are only
twenty four hours in the day, and not knowing what
to focus on. That's leading to Fabby's particular feeling of overwhelm.
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I mean, this is something that I recognize very deeply,
and I would say, Fabby, we get you. Here's the thing,
when you're trying to decide between two different things, there's
no wrong answer, right, Like, you can't screw this one up.
So really the question is how can you lower the
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stakes of trying and you know, find a way that
you could run an experiment to learn a little bit
more about each of those projects before you decide which
one to invest in and which one to postpone. So
for instance, that instead of you know, building an entire blog,
maybe you just write a blog post on each of
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those two topics and publish it on medium. And on medium,
I don't know if you know this, you can actually
pitch a piece, you publish it yourself, and then you
can submit it to different collect actions that have different themes,
different audiences, So you don't have to build your own readership.
You can actually you know, tap into an existing community
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for that. And the great thing about that is you'll
get to see what sort of reader reaction you get.
Do they leave comments? Are people engaging with you know,
your your perspective, do you have a unique take on
that topic, and you'll get a sense of, you know,
which one of them might you be more interested in
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building out before you have to build the brand, build
the community, build the audience, all of the complications of
launching an entire blog. I love that so much because
you know, again, I think that doing as we've talked about,
action is such a great antidote to overwhelmed. Overwhelmed hates action.
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And the paradox is that often a tiny action is enough.
It's like David and Goliath, right, is enough to like
totally smack down a big wave of overwhelm. I love that,
you know. I would add in say you are someone who,
like Fobby, has multiple interests. But instead of feeling like, okay,
it's between these two things, let's say it's between these
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ten things, right, and you're just like, oh my gosh,
my head, Kate, what are you doing? Oh my gosh, Christina,
you and I see each other very clearly. But let's
say it's like, Okay, I'm just gonna throw out some things.
Let's say you're like, should I shoot my first short film?
Should I take a coding class. Should I start a
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cookbook I'm really just king here, or let's just take
four or should I have some tap lessons? Oh my gosh,
I was about to say dance. I love that you
said tap. I mean. So this is this exercise I
did in a workshop years ago that really stayed with me,
where you essentially just write out those four things on
a piece of paper and again it could be forty
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things in no particular order, and then you just take
them pair by pair. So between shooting, let's in my
first two are shoot a short film, learn to code?
Between those two, just those two, you put them up
against each other, and you go between those two, if
I had to try one, if I just had if
there's only if I got pick one, let me what
would that be? And then in your second column you
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write whatever the winner was out of that pair, and
you do that for each pair. So now you have
a list of half the number of projects and you
keep whittling it down that way until you get to one.
Now it's really a fun exercise to just like change
up the order and seat is there a is there
a winner? And again this is like what would I
do if I could do one now, not that I'm
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not going to be able to get to all of them,
but what would I pick now? I mean, this is
basically how I choose what to eat off of the menu.
So I like this approach, and now it's made to
be hungry. I too, am hungry. So um, here we are,
so thanks so much Bobby for the question. Keep us posted. So, Christina,
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at this point, are you feeling more overwhelmed or less
overwhelmed by overwhelmed? I'm probably feeling like I've got a
good handle on how to deal with it. You know.
I think there's so many of the tactics that we
talked about with Acita and with Bobby, but the key
that we keep coming back to is just taking action,
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right that to have the ability to say, I don't
know what the answer is to all of this, but
I'm going to at least take a first step, because,
as you pointed out, overwhelmed hates action, so just doing
anything will get you closer to kind of getting out
of the eye of the storm. If we want to
continue our tornado metaphor, and I think, you know, my
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my favorite approach to all of this is I'll start by,
you know, making my list usually the list is what
triggers the overwhelm, and then I will go and block
out time on my Google calendar for everything that's on
the list, and it's usually a good first test for
how feasible this list is, right, like does it fit
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on the calendar? Or do I need to cut something
or lower my expectations or maybe change the timing on
one or two of these things, like if it literally
doesn't fit in twenty four hour days, we need to
go back and reassess. And then there's sort of the
second layer, which is is it doable but only with
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a minor margin for error, which we all know is
not realistic, Or it's doable, but it leaves me with
no downtime or recovery time. I don't get to eat healthy,
or exercise or sleep as much as I need to.
I can pull this off by the skin of my teeth,
but only just in those cases. You've got to go
back and reassess and really think about how can I
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reprioritize or re juggle or you know, as painful as
it might be, go back and say I should have
never said yes to this, and I'm so sorry, but
I need to take it off my plate right now,
because I'm going on like fifteen twenty years of this
behavior longer if we count, you know, junior high in
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high school that I know, I will pull it off
by the skin of my teeth and then I will
be burnt out, you know. And so you just you
have to know what works for you and be willing
to kind of take those action steps up front to
prevent these moments of disaster instead of accepting that this
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is how it's always going to be. You know. That
reminds me of something that I've been saying to myself
a lot lately, which is just because I can doesn't
mean that I should right cross stitched on my wall.
I don't know if that's a mere original or if
I got it from somewhere. So I'll have to get
back to you on that. We'll just attribute it to
the Internet. I'll just put like dash internet. Internet takes
(30:14):
credit for so much. Yeah, but I love about that.
To Christina, is it really goes back to the why
why is this thing on my plate? Is it because
it's something that I really want to do? Is it
because it's something that I think someone else really wants
me to do? Is it because I was afraid to
hurt somebody by saying no, so I said yes. Like,
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and that's going back to that original idea of overwhelming
this great map because it really asks you to take
a look at the choices that you have made, and
like you said, if there are things that need to
come off of your calendar, you know, there's ways moving
forward of saying no sooner right, of like more proactively
(30:57):
preventing the overwhelmed. But I think that's why what's been
helpful for me too, is this idea of pausing versus
letting overwhelm just shut you down, pausing and really noticing
what overwhelm is causing you. And as we've talked about
overwhelmed really kind of just being a face of fear.
What it's causing you to say to yourself and how
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are you talking to yourself? And I love what you
mentioned to about really you know, being kind to yourself
and saying, yeah, I am smart enough, I am strong
enough to figure this out. And when that I'll say,
who knew? Oh wait, we did, yes, you know. But
it's like one of the things that I'll say to
myself is I may not know what to do right now,
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but I will, but I will when the time is right,
I will, and I will go so far as to
say to myself, I always know what's right for me,
even if it doesn't feel that way at the time,
because I'm in the cloud of overwhelm. To really like
hold myself elf in that way allows me to then
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take action, right for sure? You know, you don't have
to listen to us. There's an HBr article Harvard Business Review.
They've published a wonderful article that we will link to
in our show notes that just sort of breaks it down,
you know, in probably very similar framework that we just
talked through to really help you understand the source of
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your overwhelm, how you can set those boundaries, how you
can kind of challenge those assumptions and take action. Yea,
So that article is great. We'd love to know what
resources you guys are finding out there and your journey
to overthrow overwhelm, and also when and how do you
feel overwhelmed, how does it show up for you and
(32:45):
what helps you We would love to know, So hit
us up on Twitter or Instagram. We are at t
l d N e pod at short for podcast, or
you can email us hello at t l d N
e podcast dot com. And if in the subject line
you just put Tornado or Gertrude, we'll know what it's about.
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O W, we'll know what it's about. Great. Well, Christina,
I think I'm going to go make a list of
all the things that I want to eat for dinner tonight.
That's that's a lot of choices. It's feeling overwhelming, I know.
And thus we soldier ar what you decide, and then
I'll just eat that. Oh wait, so this is all
on me. I'm feeling overwhelmed. It's okay, I'll take action.
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