May 17, 2023 • 44 mins
Desperate to uncover the truth, Juien’s investigation leads him a little too close to home, as old familial ties lead to shocking new discoveries
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Alwayst.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Eleventh, I got a call from Dina this morning, said
LeBlanc was driving down wanted us to all meet in person.
It must be important if you dure now for Nashville.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Jill, how you holding up?
Speaker 5 (00:53):
I don't fucking know anymore.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Honestly, the only thing I can do right now is
keep digging for answers to listen.
Speaker 6 (01:00):
I'm so sorry about Tyler Wilson. I know you too,
were close back in the day.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I don't understand it. I guess you lost this shit.
I don't know. Or maybe he was the same one
and it's the rest of us that they're completely insane.
Speaker 7 (01:16):
Either way, Tyler.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Knew something something we don't not yet.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Anyway, how about you, are you taking care of yourself?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
What do you mean?
Speaker 6 (01:29):
Do you have a psychiatrist.
Speaker 8 (01:32):
Where'd you disappear too last night that you were win?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Oh yeah, I'm sorry. I couldn't sleep so I wouldn't
get in my car. How's Jimmy? Good morning?
Speaker 9 (01:42):
I thank you all for coming.
Speaker 8 (01:44):
Well, what is it then?
Speaker 9 (01:47):
I'm sorry. There's no easy way to tell you what.
They rejected our appeal.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Fucker's why, Dana hold on? I'm sorry, mister Leblant, But
did we miss the dead No?
Speaker 9 (02:01):
No, Look, we made the deadline by the skin of
our teeth. But they still rejected the claim. Why lacking
in merit?
Speaker 6 (02:10):
The fuck does that mean the testimony of the key
witness was coerced? They found new evidence the.
Speaker 10 (02:15):
Next and all the suspicious shit with Tyler Shirley.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
There's an error.
Speaker 9 (02:18):
Look, we knew it was a long shot. That they
even read or applied to the brief as a goddamn miracle.
The State Supreme Court does not have to take the case,
and in this instance they simply let the appellate Court's
decisions stand. Okay, we anticipated this and we had to
do it to exhaust all possible appeals.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
And the good news is that they.
Speaker 9 (02:42):
Got back to us and read a short order Okay,
they could have sat on it until the last minute.
But as it stands now, we still have time to
ask for clemency. We can still make a request to
the governor for relief from the death sentence.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
Do you know the governor?
Speaker 8 (02:58):
I know somebody that knows the governor who Bobby Hadley.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
That's right, there's a situation with mister Hadley and Dina,
a situation.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
He may be incentivized to make a personal appeal on
James Fincher's.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Behalf encouraging, and I for.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
One am not giving up. Not if there is any
thread of a chance, we can ask the governor to
at least postpone the execution.
Speaker 9 (03:27):
Or commute the sentence to life in prison.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Julian, where are you going now?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Every minute we sit here sixty seconds less of Finch's life.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
What do we need? More proof, more evidence that it
wasn't Finch you murdered the Hadley brothers.
Speaker 9 (03:40):
We need something more than circumstantial.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
Did you find out where to tech to? Smith's car was.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Found waiting on a callback as we speak, Dina, Hey,
look at me.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I'm close.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
I am so goddamn close. I can smell them. Don't
give up.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
The moss seems tired with the clean inside tells these
tells these.
Speaker 11 (04:40):
There was no piece of evidence that was never recounted
for five births found under Thomas Hadley's fingernails.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Red wolf.
Speaker 11 (04:49):
Maybe Griff Washington's dog had a red collar on or something,
but if it did, the red collar was never found.
So where did the red wolf come from?
Speaker 8 (05:00):
To the true to the.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Two boys are dead? These are good people. They just
want justice.
Speaker 10 (05:18):
And I would think that you, of all people, would
be able to relate to that.
Speaker 12 (05:22):
Solomon Sheriff, I.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Know what killed my boy.
Speaker 8 (05:28):
Somebody's feeling how they know? We'll see the bird.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
When you He couldn't exactly trust the sharer of soltis.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
So whatever Solomon Smith knew, he took that intol with him.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Where was he last seen? Not sure.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
That on his car though, about a decade ago, just
north of here. I think maybe I can dig up
the police report.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Did you find it?
Speaker 13 (06:33):
Hello?
Speaker 7 (06:34):
Did you find the interview?
Speaker 8 (06:35):
Good timing?
Speaker 13 (06:36):
You're ready to take a few questions like.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
The interview, the interview with Detective Smith two thousand and seven,
It would have been late June or early July.
Speaker 13 (06:45):
You mean the one where he tried to expose Sheriff
Hooper for targeting.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
Jamis despite other leaders.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
The one he gave before he vanished mysterious.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
That would be the ones did you find it?
Speaker 14 (06:57):
I did, and I digitized it right here on this
thumb drive.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
WHOA, now, hold on, not just yet? Deal's deal huh.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
First, let's get your interviewing hug this, lamp up your
ass and plug it in.
Speaker 15 (07:11):
Okay, okay, okay, gee, maybe maybe a new buck board,
a piece and.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
You or something.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Think about it.
Speaker 12 (07:29):
Seasoned detectives understand they must take a step back and
look at the whole picture and exhaust all investigative avenue
used to present the best case they can to the
district attorney.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
And didn't you do that with James Cincher? Absolutely not.
It was nearly impossible to narrow the focus to him.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
When there are still other suspects on the board.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
Other suspects.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Can you tell us who?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Off the record?
Speaker 14 (07:55):
Okay, okay, fine, yeah, off the record. I'm still interested
in the boys who found the bodies. They were both
absent from school the same day the Hadley boys went missing.
Speaker 9 (08:07):
Tyler Wilson and Julian Salis, but Sallace gave you information
that led to James Finzer.
Speaker 14 (08:13):
He told Sheriff Hooper, and that boy was so scared
and sleep deprived and hungry, he would have told Hooper
that Fincher shot JFK if that's what Hooper wanted.
Speaker 9 (08:23):
So are you suggesting that Solace was.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Coerced by by Hooper and his father?
Speaker 14 (08:29):
His father, Paul Solace, is still a person of interest
in my book.
Speaker 16 (08:33):
And you believe these are more likely suspects than James Fincher.
Speaker 14 (08:37):
It doesn't matter what I believe, It matters what I know.
I know these are suspects of no alibi. Suspects were
a clear motive. That's not the only difference. What's the
other difference?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
These suspects are white?
Speaker 10 (08:57):
So now you're playing the race card.
Speaker 15 (09:00):
Tell me the truth.
Speaker 14 (09:01):
That's what this is really about.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
Being with you.
Speaker 14 (09:03):
Goddamn right, it is, and it should be for you too.
Why do you think I'm doing this interview? Where the
hell are you guys in all this? Where's the goddamn
investigative journalism? All you jokers do is report what Hooper
tells you as if it's the truth. You ain't the press,
your mouthpiece for the local authorities.
Speaker 17 (09:20):
Well, that's offensive.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I've never gone to the press before. Never. I'm giving
you a massive window here. This is a national story.
Speaker 12 (09:29):
This is a chance to redeem yourselves, an opportunity to
embrace a little journalistic integrity for a change, to do
your fucking job. So take it or leave it, because
I'm going to the Times next.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Jew I've got it you ready.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Yeah, Tomman's car was found at the bottom of Spounding
Gorge below Madison Road.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Matthewston, Yeah, right.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
As mom mark of thirteen, a hunter founded apparently. Let's
see the reporters from October twenty tenth, about three years.
Speaker 7 (10:13):
At the Smithson miss did you see Matheson?
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Yeah, my Mark at thirteen. The car was rusted out,
maybe went off the side of the road. I mean
that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Happens every year on these wide mountain.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Roads, you know, but normally they find the driver too.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
It was definitely registered to detect a Smith Matthison. Yester,
you didn't why that's where we lived, my dad.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I mean, I'm nur distant road right around the ben there,
just past my mark at thirteen.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
It's Wednesday, still August eleventh. I think I'm driving up.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
The Mountain uh Matthison Road, and I feel it again,
the pull, like I'm leaning over an endless abyss.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
And the fog beat me here. But it doesn't matter.
I could drive this road blindfolded. I know it like
my own skin.
Speaker 18 (11:30):
I'm trying to comprehend how it's possible, but I can't
deny this. Everything is pointing directly at it, at him.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
My father.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
In two thousand and seven, his life was in turmoil.
He had been grieving Mom's death for less than a year.
The hospital bills were crippling Jesus. He cursed our poverty
every day, and it was no secret in our house
that he despised Bobby Hadley. Then he sees me getting
tormented by Bobby Hadley's sons. They cornered me in the library,
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beat me up, scissor my hair off, and later that
same week, my dad was fired, fired from his job
at the Hadley Dealership, a job he'd had my whole life.
My God, if anyone had a motive to kill, detect
to Smith. He was on my dad's trail, and Smith's
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car was found at the bottom of the gorge.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
Directly below our old house. Maybe it was just a coincidence,
maybe another devil's prank.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Or maybe my father just snapped. The world is a
dark and unjust place where the cowards and the cruel
ragin supreme, and so maybe he snapped.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And we're here.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
The drive is overgrown.
Speaker 16 (13:21):
It's uh, it's been a lot of years since anyone
probably came down this way.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
But uh, this is that.
Speaker 19 (13:34):
Wear here where m This is a ground zero for
my existence, this place.
Speaker 16 (13:47):
Where I was born, where I grew up, where my
mother died, where my house stood before it was guarded
by fire. It burned almost to the ground as soon
as I left here.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Jesus, Oh, Jesus Christ. There was not much left, just
blackened and rotting remains of the house. I saw the
pictures after it first burned, a hollow shell, windows blown out,
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like an empty, leering skull. Now it's caved in, brick ruins,
overtaken with Thignes and Kutzu. It's hard to explain what
I saw in that moment, more than a shadow, less
than a person, the gray man down by the southwest
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corner of the house, behind the trees.
Speaker 20 (14:57):
What what the fuck do you want?
Speaker 7 (14:59):
He was most no reaction at all.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Why are you following me, just stood there in the shadows.
As I moved closer, he became obscure by this huge,
gnarled oak tree there, the same one that once held
a swing where my mother used to push me. It
was just a blink an instance. As I came around
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the curved drive, he was gone. Any other time I'd
have excused it as a trick of the light. The
cloud gusts surged along the ridge of forty miles an hour,
strange movement everywhere, the mind playing its games.
Speaker 21 (15:39):
But I knew better.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
I walked to the oak tree. The rope of the
tire swing and long since broken, and the rubber tire
was almost completely buried under dirtant leaves. But there was
something else there lying on the ground.
Speaker 8 (15:55):
Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Then I saw it.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
The scarf, my mom's red scarf. You gotta be fucking
kidding me. I could feel the gray man's eyes on me.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
I scanned the woods, hoping he would turn his gray stare,
but he was nowhere to be found.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
I circled the yard, then, tracing the shadows that stretched
into the woods, but he was gone. Instead, my eyes
fixed on a small, half rotten wooden door leading to
the cross space, under the buried ruins and the foundation
of the house that was still intact.
Speaker 13 (16:45):
I crawled in.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
It was pitch black. I turned on the flashlight on
my phone and raised it into the darkness, damp earth
covered in animals catting debris. The floor joists and hartwood
pond floorboards that withstood the fire, but they were rotten
and sagging downward, making a low space feel perilously tight.
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Something scurried for the back end of the darkness, just
at a range of my flashlight. I panted across the
space until until something glinted in the darkness in a
far corner, just enough light to catch the eye. Damn it,
I could feel it. This place, just below where I'd
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spent my youth.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
It was a place of death.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
The earth was black and wet and harbored, no life
except for a large growth of mushrooms there in the
furthest corner of the cross space, where the brick had
crumbled away, perhaps allow on some sunlight through in the daytime.
The earth around it was sunken in and the fungus
seemed to bloom from there. I crawled on my belly,
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inch by painful inch. The dampness seeping into my bones.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
And other worldly chill.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
A strange breeze making its way through the cracks of
the broken house above reminded.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
Me of the breath of the caves.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Then I saw what looked like a leather a container
jutting from the sunken earth.
Speaker 21 (18:29):
I dug.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
The soil was loose here in the sunken spot, not
tamped down by time like the rest of the ground
in the space, someone had dug here. The angle was
difficult lying down, My shoulders cramped and fingernails got caked
with earth.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
But finally, yeah, something emerged. It was a holstered gun,
still attached to its owner.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
It was at long before I uncovered the black cloth
of a suit coat, tattered and rotten, but still intact.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
And it wasn't long after that that I unearthed the
bones ribs vertebrate.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I traced the coat sleeves to the scalpetal remains of
a hand. There I found a wristwatching a ring, Dad,
what did you do? Most importantly, I noticed there was
something bulging from the inside coat pocket, a small cassette player.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
Mostly preserved in the silk.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Lining in folds of cloth. I crawled back out with
all the contents of the bag.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
I set the red.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Scarf down on the passenger seat, I put the nine
millimeter pistol in the club box, and I carefully started
the cassette player.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Joe twenty fourth, two thousand and seven. They captured their monsters.
Speaker 19 (20:27):
Dammit what.
Speaker 22 (20:42):
Joe twenty fourth, two thousand and seven, they captured their mossia.
Yesterday James Fincher was arrested and charged with a double homicide.
And I'm still not satisfied. I drove back up Roots
seventeen to the caves to take the motion sense of cams.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
This morning. They picked up a few visitors paying respect.
Speaker 22 (21:02):
They left flowers and burned candles at the front of
the cave, but only one visitor looked familiar. The motion
sensor caught him moving through the shadows, no flashlight, and
the night vision is grainy. But he's a He's a
tall man, beard, baseball recover rolls, scarfed.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
He didn't leave any flowers.
Speaker 22 (21:31):
First time the camera picked him up was June sixteenth.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Saturday, midnight.
Speaker 22 (21:38):
One month after the Hadley Boys went missing, same day
of the week, same time of day, and here he
is again. One week later, Saturday, June twenty third, midnight
and he ain't leaving no flowers. Someone's coming up the drive.
Speaker 21 (22:08):
Hello, Sheriff, what could you possibly want? And you brought backup,
Sheriff Hooper.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
To what do I.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Owe this on?
Speaker 10 (22:25):
I'm just here to talk, Solomon.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Oh, we're on first name basis again. Now are we?
Speaker 10 (22:31):
Can I come in?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
You don't see why not?
Speaker 10 (22:36):
I am here as a courtesy Detective Smith.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Uh huh?
Speaker 10 (22:41):
Go on, Now, we do things a certain way here
in Pottsfield, Detective.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, I'm aware.
Speaker 10 (22:47):
And you going to the press as a big fucking problem.
For one thing, it undermines our process.
Speaker 14 (22:54):
It also pains your investigation in a certain light that
could endanger your ability to put an innocent boy on
death road.
Speaker 10 (23:01):
Goddamn it, Solomon, I know to Solomon, all right, you
listen to me, Detective you are office.
Speaker 23 (23:06):
You listen, your spinest motherfucker. You got a boy, a
boy locked up for a crime he didn't fucking commit,
says fucking you, And I will continue to investigate.
Speaker 14 (23:17):
Hell you as a private citizen playing with fire boy.
Speaker 24 (23:22):
Ah, there it is.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
You see.
Speaker 14 (23:29):
It doesn't take much to shake the demons and drive
them into the fire.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Did you say.
Speaker 10 (23:37):
I think that it would be best.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
If you move on.
Speaker 10 (23:44):
Leave our town.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
That a threat.
Speaker 10 (23:48):
Let's just say, in Maniwauk County, things happen a certain way.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Like I said, I'm aware.
Speaker 10 (24:00):
All right, Detective Smith, things happen here to people who
dig and try as I might, the best I can
do is to curtail those things.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
What the hell are you saying, Kirby, that you can't
control the good old boy.
Speaker 10 (24:22):
No, it's more than that. There's something about this place,
something in the fog. I could never put my finger
on it, even after a whole life spent here, and
god knows I have tried. And it's not just your
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normal small town bigotry. I mean, now, obviously that's here too,
but there's something deeper. It's a rot. Beneath the rot,
people who try to suss it out, bad things happen.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Look, if you're going to threaten me, just do it.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
That ain't it, Solomon.
Speaker 10 (25:22):
Look I do respect you, Detective Smith, genuinely, I admire you.
And I don't know for sure about the Fencer kid,
but I do know for sure that he was involved
and all he'd have to do to throw us off
his scent would be to talk. That's it, and he won't.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And why do you think that is?
Speaker 10 (25:47):
Well, I know what you're thinking, that he's scared of me.
But Detective, it's more he feels what I do. There's
something deeper here, something beyond his control and beyond mind.
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All I can do is try to keep it in check.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
That's some vague shit, Sheriff.
Speaker 10 (26:23):
You haven't felt it, Yeah, yeah, you have.
Speaker 14 (26:33):
Give me one more night, Detective, Sheriff, one more to
tie up a couple of loose ends.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
We visit a few ideas. If I don't find what
I need, I'll be gone by dawn. Won't even say goodbye.
It'll be like I was never even here.
Speaker 13 (26:54):
Where are you gonna go?
Speaker 10 (26:55):
You got family somewhere.
Speaker 14 (26:59):
They're all long gone. Only brother died a few years back.
Our next wife, who hates my guts.
Speaker 10 (27:06):
Been there.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I'll bet.
Speaker 21 (27:15):
All right, fine, fine, old billy voodoo bullshit.
Speaker 25 (27:27):
Sorry, Kirby, but I ain't going nowhere. Saturday, June thirtieth,
two thousand and seven, seven twenty am, I'm heading Upstate
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Route seventeen to the Griff Washington property. Richard Rydale couldn't
hide forever, even in a major metravelers like Atlanta a
concrete jungle. But this is a different environment, this backwater
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delivering shithole. The population of all Man of Walk County
is less than three percent that of Atlanta.
Speaker 13 (28:19):
But the method works the scale, just follow the patterns.
A killers returned eventually to the scene of the crime.
Got my tent, a good sleeping bag, all the food
I need. We're gonna live in a cave for a while,
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called a stakeout. Radell returned to the scene of his
greatest night. I'm sure whoever killed those Hadley boys were
return again too, just like he did last Saturday and
the Saturday before that.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
June thirtieth and eleven fifty two. Perm got ahead.
Speaker 22 (29:18):
Hard to make him out, but he's down there at
the mouth of the caves. He looks about six one,
about two hundred and maybe ten coveralls, baseball.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Cap ride on time, motherfucker. Now what exactly the hell
are you doing here?
Speaker 21 (29:46):
Wait a minute, Wait a.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Minute, he's on his knees praying. Nope, not a good look.
Speaker 22 (30:12):
July first, one, eleven AM made my way back to
the road ahead of the subject. Mister Midnight Prayer found
his truck here talked in, turned about a few hundred
meters up the road and waited ret the corn got
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his plates. Sunday, July first.
Speaker 15 (30:42):
Nine am.
Speaker 22 (30:43):
I couldn't risk following a midnight man on Route seventeen
or two am.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
There's no way he wouldn't know he was being followed.
Ran the plates.
Speaker 22 (30:53):
Though the truck is registered to one Paul Solace. I
ain't very interesting incidence, oh son. Julian happened to be
one of our first suspects, and Julian is the one
who found the bodies. And it was Julian who pointed
the finger at James Fincher. I guess I'm gonna need
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to have a chat.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
With old Paul. Hello, missus Sutlers catch Smith.
Speaker 24 (31:32):
Sorry I didn't hear the door right away. I don't
get too many visitors. It's all good. Look I you
for more information. I'm afraid Julian has said everything he's know,
so no.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
No, no, no, I just I just need to I
just need to use your phone, my phone, Yeah, I
need to call Triple A.
Speaker 22 (31:51):
My car just blew a couple of tires on that
sharp curve down the road there.
Speaker 24 (31:56):
Yeah, I care, what's got more than if.
Speaker 15 (31:58):
You drivers a headache.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
I'm sorry. Please come in this way. How's your boy.
Speaker 15 (32:13):
Fine?
Speaker 4 (32:15):
You there yesterday? Sem a vacation. I think he.
Speaker 15 (32:23):
He needs to get away from all this. You know,
he's a starting college in a couple of months. It's
uh one of all these moving boxes. Where were you,
head of Detective?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Uh?
Speaker 14 (32:37):
Now, I'm going away too, actually, way out of Pottsville moving.
Speaker 15 (32:44):
Yeah, sorry to hear it. I'm just I guess your
work is done. What's up the prosecution guys? Now, Detective Smith,
we are all grateful the expertise you brought to the case.
I hope you feel good about the results of your efforts.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Well, it's been a complicated one, that's for certain.
Speaker 15 (33:07):
Phone through here in the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Thanks.
Speaker 15 (33:09):
I'm just going to see a man about a horse
real quick. You want to coffee or something out yourself?
Speaker 13 (33:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Thanks?
Speaker 21 (33:25):
All right, Well I'll be goddamn christ scissors.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
What you got there?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 14 (33:44):
It looks like an old scarf just to afford it
here in this moving.
Speaker 15 (33:48):
Bob, Please put that down. That's special to me.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Missus Solace. Do you know why we suspected your son, Julian?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
No, I do not.
Speaker 14 (34:01):
Simple First he was absent from Carter High on May eighteenth.
And see only four students were absent that day, Deacon
and Thomas Hadley. Of course, that was the day they
went missing. The other two were Tyler Wilson and Julian.
Speaker 15 (34:17):
I told Hooper, Julian was with me that day. We
went to the cemetery that morning to pay her respects.
Julian's mother was later rest early that year.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Oh well, I'm sorry for your loss. The other reason
Julian was the.
Speaker 14 (34:31):
Suspect was this year book picture here Tyler Wilson, James
Fincher and Julian. When I saw the scoff Julian's wearing
in this picture, it all made sense. This is the
same wool scarf here in my hand, I believe, And.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You see here where it's been stretched and torn.
Speaker 14 (34:52):
Missus Sullis, I have a little hunched matches the fabric
found at the crime scene. Red wool fibers. It's like
the ones found under Thomas Hadley's fingernails.
Speaker 15 (35:02):
That's my scarf the wife n did before she died.
Red was a favorite color.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And what about these.
Speaker 14 (35:10):
When my wife's so and says, why would so and
scissors have blood? On them, mister Saulas, But I've been
doing this for a while. I know what it is
when I see it that there is dried blood.
Speaker 15 (35:24):
Turn around, face of sink.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
You gonna shoot me? Paul, Please turn around.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Look.
Speaker 14 (35:35):
I know what it's like I do to have a
son who is bullied, daddy.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Why is everyone being mean to me?
Speaker 14 (35:43):
That's what my boy asked me when he was only
five years old.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
And it got worse if only I could have seen it.
Speaker 14 (35:52):
By the time he was in high school, he was
completely isolated. I thought something was wrong with him. I
also bullied him, shamed him because I was disappointed that
he was so weak.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I thought he just needed to man up, thought he
needed tough love.
Speaker 14 (36:11):
No matter how many times I screamed at him, you
are better than them, it only made him more isolated,
made him feel even more let down.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
And the truth is he was a disappointment.
Speaker 14 (36:28):
Fuck it, I'll say it, might as well say to
the man who's got a gunpointed at me.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
And my boy knew it.
Speaker 26 (36:33):
Too, knew I was I was disappointed at him, knew
I would never accept him for who he was, and
it only made him feel more unlovable. Sound familiar hmm,
Because my own son was bullied too, bullied so bad
he actually.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Took his own life.
Speaker 27 (37:02):
So I understand as a father, it makes you want
to kill, don't it.
Speaker 15 (37:19):
Just walk, turn around and walk the back door the house.
Speaker 14 (37:25):
These nasty, spoiled fuckers dumber's dirt, giving your boy a regular.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Beatdown, and you were powerless to stop it. Couldn't do shit.
Speaker 14 (37:38):
Until you could, until you had no choice. That's why
you got fired from the Hadley Dealership, ain't it. You
went to have a chat with Bobby Hadley, man the man,
to see about getting his boys to stop kicking the
shit out of your kid, Julian, but you lost your temper.
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You threatened him and he canned your ass, didn't he
After twenty motherfucking years, and.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
You ain't rich like him.
Speaker 14 (38:09):
You got to work to pay for the way up
for your son so he don't end up just like you.
I'm a be able to pay for medical bills and
funeral costs after your wife died that horrible.
Speaker 20 (38:19):
Slow death, leaving you with nothing nothing but your son,
Julian and this red wolf scarf. What God damn it, Nah,
I'm not gonna do it. I ain't going out back.
Speaker 14 (38:39):
Shit, don't look at me like that. I'm standing here
holding evidence while you point a shotgun at me.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Man, I know.
Speaker 14 (38:47):
Which way the wind is blowing, and I ain't going
out like that.
Speaker 15 (38:54):
Damn you're smart, but you are one hair offer.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Ben.
Speaker 15 (39:02):
I'm on the business side of this barrel and you
are still making demands.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Ye goddamn right.
Speaker 14 (39:10):
If you're gonna kill me, I'm not gonna let you
do it outside. It's gonna be right here in the
middle of your home, where you'll have to scrub the
fucking cheap bass linoleum to get the blood and bones
and fragments out. Well, you'll have to use stain blocker
and plaster over pellet holes where you'll have to see
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my ghosts every fucking morning when you pour your couple
of weak ass folders and eat your scrambled fucking eggs.
Speaker 15 (39:42):
Please, dear, no, no, please, I don't want to have
you can't you have to, goddamn it.
Speaker 13 (39:51):
This is the choice.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
You are making, a choice you.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Now.
Speaker 14 (39:57):
You can put the gun down and come quietly with
or you can shoot me dead in the middle of
this house, the one you bought with your wife, the
one you wake up nights for your boy, hoping he's
ever gonna come back at all. But I'm sure as
hell they ain't gonna be an accessory to my own
murder by making it easy on you.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
So which is it?
Speaker 7 (40:23):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
What's it gonna be?
Speaker 17 (40:26):
Paul Hi, Paul Solace, you are under harress. You have
the right to.
Speaker 8 (40:39):
Remain the ghosten Emir and the Hounds of Hell. Dan
(41:18):
send in your vinzend and.
Speaker 28 (41:26):
The Man Walk Caves stars Jonathan Tucker as Julian Sallace,
Eddie Gatheggy as James Fincher, Clark Peters as Detective Solomon Smith,
Nick Cercy as Sheriff Kirby Hooper, Justin Welborn as Tyler Wilson,
Jill Jane Clements as Jill Campbell, Brad Carter as Doodlee Tappert,
Scott Poythrus as Reverend Perkins, Samantha Ashley as Dina Fincher,
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Justin Matthew Smith as Paul Sawace, Tara Oaks as Laura Sawas,
Jonathan Horn as Deacon Hadley, Alden Karanovich as Thomas Hadley,
Mike w Anderson as Griff Washington, Body Walter Off as
Jimmy Fincher, Brian McClure as Ian Speaks, Larry Clark as
Bobby Hadley, Payden Fallis as Ed LeBlanc, Vic Palisis as
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William Fowler, Nick Takosky as Richard Rydell, and Aileen Loy
as The Darkness, with additional performances by Clint McGowan, Dina Dill,
Edward Howard, Henry Foster Brown, Jamie Joseph, Juan Monsalvez, Christopher Curry,
Bailey Hineman, David Mitchell, and Bernard Sataro Clark. Created by
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ConL Byrne and Dan Bush. Written by Dan Bush, Zoe
Cooper and Nicholas Dakosky, featuring our theme song Killer Inside,
written produced and performed by Lerea Lynn. Our executive producers
are Matt Frederick, Alexander Williams, Michael Monty, and Courtney du Frees.
Our executive producers at Blumhouse Television are Jeremy Gold, Chris
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Dickey and Noah Fine. Produced by Dan Bush, music by
Ben Lovett, Additional music by Alexander Rodriguez, edited by Dan Bush,
Chris Childs, Stephen Perez and David Chen. Sound design by
Benjamin Malcolm. Additional sound design by Alexander Rodriguez. Dialogue editing
and sound mixing by Jant Campos. Recorded at Studio Awesome
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in Los Angeles, Sound by Studio in Atlanta and Echo
Mountain in Ashville. Casting by Sunday Bowling, Kennedy and Meg Mormon.
Our dialect coach is Linda Bessesti, Assistant director, Michael Monty,
second assistant director, script supervisor and production coordinator Sarah Klein.
Supervising producer Josh Thain. Special thanks to Mary Ellen and
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is a production of iHeart Radio, Blumhouse Television, and Psycopia Pictures.
Speaker 8 (44:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Alwayst.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Eleventh, I got a call from Dina this morning, said
LeBlanc was driving down wanted us to all meet in person.
It must be important if you dure now for Nashville.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Jill, how you holding up?
Speaker 5 (00:53):
I don't fucking know anymore.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Honestly, the only thing I can do right now is
keep digging for answers to listen.
Speaker 6 (01:00):
I'm so sorry about Tyler Wilson. I know you too,
were close back in the day.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I don't understand it. I guess you lost this shit.
I don't know. Or maybe he was the same one
and it's the rest of us that they're completely insane.
Speaker 7 (01:16):
Either way, Tyler.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Knew something something we don't not yet.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Anyway, how about you, are you taking care of yourself?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
What do you mean?
Speaker 6 (01:29):
Do you have a psychiatrist.
Speaker 8 (01:32):
Where'd you disappear too last night that you were win?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Oh yeah, I'm sorry. I couldn't sleep so I wouldn't
get in my car. How's Jimmy? Good morning?
Speaker 9 (01:42):
I thank you all for coming.
Speaker 8 (01:44):
Well, what is it then?
Speaker 9 (01:47):
I'm sorry. There's no easy way to tell you what.
They rejected our appeal.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Fucker's why, Dana hold on? I'm sorry, mister Leblant, But
did we miss the dead No?
Speaker 9 (02:01):
No, Look, we made the deadline by the skin of
our teeth. But they still rejected the claim. Why lacking
in merit?
Speaker 6 (02:10):
The fuck does that mean the testimony of the key
witness was coerced? They found new evidence the.
Speaker 10 (02:15):
Next and all the suspicious shit with Tyler Shirley.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
There's an error.
Speaker 9 (02:18):
Look, we knew it was a long shot. That they
even read or applied to the brief as a goddamn miracle.
The State Supreme Court does not have to take the case,
and in this instance they simply let the appellate Court's
decisions stand. Okay, we anticipated this and we had to
do it to exhaust all possible appeals.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
And the good news is that they.
Speaker 9 (02:42):
Got back to us and read a short order Okay,
they could have sat on it until the last minute.
But as it stands now, we still have time to
ask for clemency. We can still make a request to
the governor for relief from the death sentence.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
Do you know the governor?
Speaker 8 (02:58):
I know somebody that knows the governor who Bobby Hadley.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
That's right, there's a situation with mister Hadley and Dina,
a situation.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
He may be incentivized to make a personal appeal on
James Fincher's.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Behalf encouraging, and I for.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
One am not giving up. Not if there is any
thread of a chance, we can ask the governor to
at least postpone the execution.
Speaker 9 (03:27):
Or commute the sentence to life in prison.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Julian, where are you going now?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Every minute we sit here sixty seconds less of Finch's life.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
What do we need? More proof, more evidence that it
wasn't Finch you murdered the Hadley brothers.
Speaker 9 (03:40):
We need something more than circumstantial.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
Did you find out where to tech to? Smith's car was.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Found waiting on a callback as we speak, Dina, Hey,
look at me.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I'm close.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
I am so goddamn close. I can smell them. Don't
give up.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
The moss seems tired with the clean inside tells these
tells these.
Speaker 11 (04:40):
There was no piece of evidence that was never recounted
for five births found under Thomas Hadley's fingernails.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Red wolf.
Speaker 11 (04:49):
Maybe Griff Washington's dog had a red collar on or something,
but if it did, the red collar was never found.
So where did the red wolf come from?
Speaker 8 (05:00):
To the true to the.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Two boys are dead? These are good people. They just
want justice.
Speaker 10 (05:18):
And I would think that you, of all people, would
be able to relate to that.
Speaker 12 (05:22):
Solomon Sheriff, I.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Know what killed my boy.
Speaker 8 (05:28):
Somebody's feeling how they know? We'll see the bird.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
When you He couldn't exactly trust the sharer of soltis.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
So whatever Solomon Smith knew, he took that intol with him.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Where was he last seen? Not sure.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
That on his car though, about a decade ago, just
north of here. I think maybe I can dig up
the police report.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Did you find it?
Speaker 13 (06:33):
Hello?
Speaker 7 (06:34):
Did you find the interview?
Speaker 8 (06:35):
Good timing?
Speaker 13 (06:36):
You're ready to take a few questions like.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
The interview, the interview with Detective Smith two thousand and seven,
It would have been late June or early July.
Speaker 13 (06:45):
You mean the one where he tried to expose Sheriff
Hooper for targeting.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
Jamis despite other leaders.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
The one he gave before he vanished mysterious.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
That would be the ones did you find it?
Speaker 14 (06:57):
I did, and I digitized it right here on this
thumb drive.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
WHOA, now, hold on, not just yet? Deal's deal huh.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
First, let's get your interviewing hug this, lamp up your
ass and plug it in.
Speaker 15 (07:11):
Okay, okay, okay, gee, maybe maybe a new buck board,
a piece and.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
You or something.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Think about it.
Speaker 12 (07:29):
Seasoned detectives understand they must take a step back and
look at the whole picture and exhaust all investigative avenue
used to present the best case they can to the
district attorney.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
And didn't you do that with James Cincher? Absolutely not.
It was nearly impossible to narrow the focus to him.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
When there are still other suspects on the board.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
Other suspects.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Can you tell us who?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Off the record?
Speaker 14 (07:55):
Okay, okay, fine, yeah, off the record. I'm still interested
in the boys who found the bodies. They were both
absent from school the same day the Hadley boys went missing.
Speaker 9 (08:07):
Tyler Wilson and Julian Salis, but Sallace gave you information
that led to James Finzer.
Speaker 14 (08:13):
He told Sheriff Hooper, and that boy was so scared
and sleep deprived and hungry, he would have told Hooper
that Fincher shot JFK if that's what Hooper wanted.
Speaker 9 (08:23):
So are you suggesting that Solace was.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Coerced by by Hooper and his father?
Speaker 14 (08:29):
His father, Paul Solace, is still a person of interest
in my book.
Speaker 16 (08:33):
And you believe these are more likely suspects than James Fincher.
Speaker 14 (08:37):
It doesn't matter what I believe, It matters what I know.
I know these are suspects of no alibi. Suspects were
a clear motive. That's not the only difference. What's the
other difference?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
These suspects are white?
Speaker 10 (08:57):
So now you're playing the race card.
Speaker 15 (09:00):
Tell me the truth.
Speaker 14 (09:01):
That's what this is really about.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
Being with you.
Speaker 14 (09:03):
Goddamn right, it is, and it should be for you too.
Why do you think I'm doing this interview? Where the
hell are you guys in all this? Where's the goddamn
investigative journalism? All you jokers do is report what Hooper
tells you as if it's the truth. You ain't the press,
your mouthpiece for the local authorities.
Speaker 17 (09:20):
Well, that's offensive.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I've never gone to the press before. Never. I'm giving
you a massive window here. This is a national story.
Speaker 12 (09:29):
This is a chance to redeem yourselves, an opportunity to
embrace a little journalistic integrity for a change, to do
your fucking job. So take it or leave it, because
I'm going to the Times next.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Jew I've got it you ready.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Yeah, Tomman's car was found at the bottom of Spounding
Gorge below Madison Road.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Matthewston, Yeah, right.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
As mom mark of thirteen, a hunter founded apparently. Let's
see the reporters from October twenty tenth, about three years.
Speaker 7 (10:13):
At the Smithson miss did you see Matheson?
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Yeah, my Mark at thirteen. The car was rusted out,
maybe went off the side of the road. I mean
that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Happens every year on these wide mountain.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Roads, you know, but normally they find the driver too.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
It was definitely registered to detect a Smith Matthison. Yester,
you didn't why that's where we lived, my dad.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I mean, I'm nur distant road right around the ben there,
just past my mark at thirteen.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
It's Wednesday, still August eleventh. I think I'm driving up.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
The Mountain uh Matthison Road, and I feel it again,
the pull, like I'm leaning over an endless abyss.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
And the fog beat me here. But it doesn't matter.
I could drive this road blindfolded. I know it like
my own skin.
Speaker 18 (11:30):
I'm trying to comprehend how it's possible, but I can't
deny this. Everything is pointing directly at it, at him.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
My father.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
In two thousand and seven, his life was in turmoil.
He had been grieving Mom's death for less than a year.
The hospital bills were crippling Jesus. He cursed our poverty
every day, and it was no secret in our house
that he despised Bobby Hadley. Then he sees me getting
tormented by Bobby Hadley's sons. They cornered me in the library,
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beat me up, scissor my hair off, and later that
same week, my dad was fired, fired from his job
at the Hadley Dealership, a job he'd had my whole life.
My God, if anyone had a motive to kill, detect
to Smith. He was on my dad's trail, and Smith's
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car was found at the bottom of the gorge.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
Directly below our old house. Maybe it was just a coincidence,
maybe another devil's prank.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Or maybe my father just snapped. The world is a
dark and unjust place where the cowards and the cruel
ragin supreme, and so maybe he snapped.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And we're here.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
The drive is overgrown.
Speaker 16 (13:21):
It's uh, it's been a lot of years since anyone
probably came down this way.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
But uh, this is that.
Speaker 19 (13:34):
Wear here where m This is a ground zero for
my existence, this place.
Speaker 16 (13:47):
Where I was born, where I grew up, where my
mother died, where my house stood before it was guarded
by fire. It burned almost to the ground as soon
as I left here.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Jesus, Oh, Jesus Christ. There was not much left, just
blackened and rotting remains of the house. I saw the
pictures after it first burned, a hollow shell, windows blown out,
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like an empty, leering skull. Now it's caved in, brick ruins,
overtaken with Thignes and Kutzu. It's hard to explain what
I saw in that moment, more than a shadow, less
than a person, the gray man down by the southwest
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corner of the house, behind the trees.
Speaker 20 (14:57):
What what the fuck do you want?
Speaker 7 (14:59):
He was most no reaction at all.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Why are you following me, just stood there in the shadows.
As I moved closer, he became obscure by this huge,
gnarled oak tree there, the same one that once held
a swing where my mother used to push me. It
was just a blink an instance. As I came around
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the curved drive, he was gone. Any other time I'd
have excused it as a trick of the light. The
cloud gusts surged along the ridge of forty miles an hour,
strange movement everywhere, the mind playing its games.
Speaker 21 (15:39):
But I knew better.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
I walked to the oak tree. The rope of the
tire swing and long since broken, and the rubber tire
was almost completely buried under dirtant leaves. But there was
something else there lying on the ground.
Speaker 8 (15:55):
Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Then I saw it.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
The scarf, my mom's red scarf. You gotta be fucking
kidding me. I could feel the gray man's eyes on me.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
I scanned the woods, hoping he would turn his gray stare,
but he was nowhere to be found.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
I circled the yard, then, tracing the shadows that stretched
into the woods, but he was gone. Instead, my eyes
fixed on a small, half rotten wooden door leading to
the cross space, under the buried ruins and the foundation
of the house that was still intact.
Speaker 13 (16:45):
I crawled in.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
It was pitch black. I turned on the flashlight on
my phone and raised it into the darkness, damp earth
covered in animals catting debris. The floor joists and hartwood
pond floorboards that withstood the fire, but they were rotten
and sagging downward, making a low space feel perilously tight.
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Something scurried for the back end of the darkness, just
at a range of my flashlight. I panted across the
space until until something glinted in the darkness in a
far corner, just enough light to catch the eye. Damn it,
I could feel it. This place, just below where I'd
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spent my youth.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
It was a place of death.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
The earth was black and wet and harbored, no life
except for a large growth of mushrooms there in the
furthest corner of the cross space, where the brick had
crumbled away, perhaps allow on some sunlight through in the daytime.
The earth around it was sunken in and the fungus
seemed to bloom from there. I crawled on my belly,
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inch by painful inch. The dampness seeping into my bones.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
And other worldly chill.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
A strange breeze making its way through the cracks of
the broken house above reminded.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
Me of the breath of the caves.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Then I saw what looked like a leather a container
jutting from the sunken earth.
Speaker 21 (18:29):
I dug.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
The soil was loose here in the sunken spot, not
tamped down by time like the rest of the ground
in the space, someone had dug here. The angle was
difficult lying down, My shoulders cramped and fingernails got caked
with earth.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
But finally, yeah, something emerged. It was a holstered gun,
still attached to its owner.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
It was at long before I uncovered the black cloth
of a suit coat, tattered and rotten, but still intact.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
And it wasn't long after that that I unearthed the
bones ribs vertebrate.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I traced the coat sleeves to the scalpetal remains of
a hand. There I found a wristwatching a ring, Dad,
what did you do? Most importantly, I noticed there was
something bulging from the inside coat pocket, a small cassette player.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
Mostly preserved in the silk.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Lining in folds of cloth. I crawled back out with
all the contents of the bag.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
I set the red.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Scarf down on the passenger seat, I put the nine
millimeter pistol in the club box, and I carefully started
the cassette player.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Joe twenty fourth, two thousand and seven. They captured their monsters.
Speaker 19 (20:27):
Dammit what.
Speaker 22 (20:42):
Joe twenty fourth, two thousand and seven, they captured their mossia.
Yesterday James Fincher was arrested and charged with a double homicide.
And I'm still not satisfied. I drove back up Roots
seventeen to the caves to take the motion sense of cams.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
This morning. They picked up a few visitors paying respect.
Speaker 22 (21:02):
They left flowers and burned candles at the front of
the cave, but only one visitor looked familiar. The motion
sensor caught him moving through the shadows, no flashlight, and
the night vision is grainy. But he's a He's a
tall man, beard, baseball recover rolls, scarfed.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
He didn't leave any flowers.
Speaker 22 (21:31):
First time the camera picked him up was June sixteenth.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Saturday, midnight.
Speaker 22 (21:38):
One month after the Hadley Boys went missing, same day
of the week, same time of day, and here he
is again. One week later, Saturday, June twenty third, midnight
and he ain't leaving no flowers. Someone's coming up the drive.
Speaker 21 (22:08):
Hello, Sheriff, what could you possibly want? And you brought backup,
Sheriff Hooper.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
To what do I.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Owe this on?
Speaker 10 (22:25):
I'm just here to talk, Solomon.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Oh, we're on first name basis again. Now are we?
Speaker 10 (22:31):
Can I come in?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
You don't see why not?
Speaker 10 (22:36):
I am here as a courtesy Detective Smith.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Uh huh?
Speaker 10 (22:41):
Go on, Now, we do things a certain way here
in Pottsfield, Detective.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, I'm aware.
Speaker 10 (22:47):
And you going to the press as a big fucking problem.
For one thing, it undermines our process.
Speaker 14 (22:54):
It also pains your investigation in a certain light that
could endanger your ability to put an innocent boy on
death road.
Speaker 10 (23:01):
Goddamn it, Solomon, I know to Solomon, all right, you
listen to me, Detective you are office.
Speaker 23 (23:06):
You listen, your spinest motherfucker. You got a boy, a
boy locked up for a crime he didn't fucking commit,
says fucking you, And I will continue to investigate.
Speaker 14 (23:17):
Hell you as a private citizen playing with fire boy.
Speaker 24 (23:22):
Ah, there it is.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
You see.
Speaker 14 (23:29):
It doesn't take much to shake the demons and drive
them into the fire.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Did you say.
Speaker 10 (23:37):
I think that it would be best.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
If you move on.
Speaker 10 (23:44):
Leave our town.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
That a threat.
Speaker 10 (23:48):
Let's just say, in Maniwauk County, things happen a certain way.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Like I said, I'm aware.
Speaker 10 (24:00):
All right, Detective Smith, things happen here to people who
dig and try as I might, the best I can
do is to curtail those things.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
What the hell are you saying, Kirby, that you can't
control the good old boy.
Speaker 10 (24:22):
No, it's more than that. There's something about this place,
something in the fog. I could never put my finger
on it, even after a whole life spent here, and
god knows I have tried. And it's not just your
(24:47):
normal small town bigotry. I mean, now, obviously that's here too,
but there's something deeper. It's a rot. Beneath the rot,
people who try to suss it out, bad things happen.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Look, if you're going to threaten me, just do it.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
That ain't it, Solomon.
Speaker 10 (25:22):
Look I do respect you, Detective Smith, genuinely, I admire you.
And I don't know for sure about the Fencer kid,
but I do know for sure that he was involved
and all he'd have to do to throw us off
his scent would be to talk. That's it, and he won't.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And why do you think that is?
Speaker 10 (25:47):
Well, I know what you're thinking, that he's scared of me.
But Detective, it's more he feels what I do. There's
something deeper here, something beyond his control and beyond mind.
(26:10):
All I can do is try to keep it in check.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
That's some vague shit, Sheriff.
Speaker 10 (26:23):
You haven't felt it, Yeah, yeah, you have.
Speaker 14 (26:33):
Give me one more night, Detective, Sheriff, one more to
tie up a couple of loose ends.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
We visit a few ideas. If I don't find what
I need, I'll be gone by dawn. Won't even say goodbye.
It'll be like I was never even here.
Speaker 13 (26:54):
Where are you gonna go?
Speaker 10 (26:55):
You got family somewhere.
Speaker 14 (26:59):
They're all long gone. Only brother died a few years back.
Our next wife, who hates my guts.
Speaker 10 (27:06):
Been there.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I'll bet.
Speaker 21 (27:15):
All right, fine, fine, old billy voodoo bullshit.
Speaker 25 (27:27):
Sorry, Kirby, but I ain't going nowhere. Saturday, June thirtieth,
two thousand and seven, seven twenty am, I'm heading Upstate
(27:47):
Route seventeen to the Griff Washington property. Richard Rydale couldn't
hide forever, even in a major metravelers like Atlanta a
concrete jungle. But this is a different environment, this backwater
(28:08):
delivering shithole. The population of all Man of Walk County
is less than three percent that of Atlanta.
Speaker 13 (28:19):
But the method works the scale, just follow the patterns.
A killers returned eventually to the scene of the crime.
Got my tent, a good sleeping bag, all the food
I need. We're gonna live in a cave for a while,
(28:40):
called a stakeout. Radell returned to the scene of his
greatest night. I'm sure whoever killed those Hadley boys were
return again too, just like he did last Saturday and
the Saturday before that.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
June thirtieth and eleven fifty two. Perm got ahead.
Speaker 22 (29:18):
Hard to make him out, but he's down there at
the mouth of the caves. He looks about six one,
about two hundred and maybe ten coveralls, baseball.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Cap ride on time, motherfucker. Now what exactly the hell
are you doing here?
Speaker 21 (29:46):
Wait a minute, Wait a.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Minute, he's on his knees praying. Nope, not a good look.
Speaker 22 (30:12):
July first, one, eleven AM made my way back to
the road ahead of the subject. Mister Midnight Prayer found
his truck here talked in, turned about a few hundred
meters up the road and waited ret the corn got
(30:34):
his plates. Sunday, July first.
Speaker 15 (30:42):
Nine am.
Speaker 22 (30:43):
I couldn't risk following a midnight man on Route seventeen
or two am.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
There's no way he wouldn't know he was being followed.
Ran the plates.
Speaker 22 (30:53):
Though the truck is registered to one Paul Solace. I
ain't very interesting incidence, oh son. Julian happened to be
one of our first suspects, and Julian is the one
who found the bodies. And it was Julian who pointed
the finger at James Fincher. I guess I'm gonna need
(31:18):
to have a chat.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
With old Paul. Hello, missus Sutlers catch Smith.
Speaker 24 (31:32):
Sorry I didn't hear the door right away. I don't
get too many visitors. It's all good. Look I you
for more information. I'm afraid Julian has said everything he's know,
so no.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
No, no, no, I just I just need to I
just need to use your phone, my phone, Yeah, I
need to call Triple A.
Speaker 22 (31:51):
My car just blew a couple of tires on that
sharp curve down the road there.
Speaker 24 (31:56):
Yeah, I care, what's got more than if.
Speaker 15 (31:58):
You drivers a headache.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
I'm sorry. Please come in this way. How's your boy.
Speaker 15 (32:13):
Fine?
Speaker 4 (32:15):
You there yesterday? Sem a vacation. I think he.
Speaker 15 (32:23):
He needs to get away from all this. You know,
he's a starting college in a couple of months. It's
uh one of all these moving boxes. Where were you,
head of Detective?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Uh?
Speaker 14 (32:37):
Now, I'm going away too, actually, way out of Pottsville moving.
Speaker 15 (32:44):
Yeah, sorry to hear it. I'm just I guess your
work is done. What's up the prosecution guys? Now, Detective Smith,
we are all grateful the expertise you brought to the case.
I hope you feel good about the results of your efforts.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Well, it's been a complicated one, that's for certain.
Speaker 15 (33:07):
Phone through here in the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Thanks.
Speaker 15 (33:09):
I'm just going to see a man about a horse
real quick. You want to coffee or something out yourself?
Speaker 13 (33:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Thanks?
Speaker 21 (33:25):
All right, Well I'll be goddamn christ scissors.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
What you got there?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 14 (33:44):
It looks like an old scarf just to afford it
here in this moving.
Speaker 15 (33:48):
Bob, Please put that down. That's special to me.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Missus Solace. Do you know why we suspected your son, Julian?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
No, I do not.
Speaker 14 (34:01):
Simple First he was absent from Carter High on May eighteenth.
And see only four students were absent that day, Deacon
and Thomas Hadley. Of course, that was the day they
went missing. The other two were Tyler Wilson and Julian.
Speaker 15 (34:17):
I told Hooper, Julian was with me that day. We
went to the cemetery that morning to pay her respects.
Julian's mother was later rest early that year.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Oh well, I'm sorry for your loss. The other reason
Julian was the.
Speaker 14 (34:31):
Suspect was this year book picture here Tyler Wilson, James
Fincher and Julian. When I saw the scoff Julian's wearing
in this picture, it all made sense. This is the
same wool scarf here in my hand, I believe, And.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You see here where it's been stretched and torn.
Speaker 14 (34:52):
Missus Sullis, I have a little hunched matches the fabric
found at the crime scene. Red wool fibers. It's like
the ones found under Thomas Hadley's fingernails.
Speaker 15 (35:02):
That's my scarf the wife n did before she died.
Red was a favorite color.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And what about these.
Speaker 14 (35:10):
When my wife's so and says, why would so and
scissors have blood? On them, mister Saulas, But I've been
doing this for a while. I know what it is
when I see it that there is dried blood.
Speaker 15 (35:24):
Turn around, face of sink.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
You gonna shoot me? Paul, Please turn around.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Look.
Speaker 14 (35:35):
I know what it's like I do to have a
son who is bullied, daddy.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Why is everyone being mean to me?
Speaker 14 (35:43):
That's what my boy asked me when he was only
five years old.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
And it got worse if only I could have seen it.
Speaker 14 (35:52):
By the time he was in high school, he was
completely isolated. I thought something was wrong with him. I
also bullied him, shamed him because I was disappointed that
he was so weak.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I thought he just needed to man up, thought he
needed tough love.
Speaker 14 (36:11):
No matter how many times I screamed at him, you
are better than them, it only made him more isolated,
made him feel even more let down.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
And the truth is he was a disappointment.
Speaker 14 (36:28):
Fuck it, I'll say it, might as well say to
the man who's got a gunpointed at me.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
And my boy knew it.
Speaker 26 (36:33):
Too, knew I was I was disappointed at him, knew
I would never accept him for who he was, and
it only made him feel more unlovable. Sound familiar hmm,
Because my own son was bullied too, bullied so bad
he actually.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Took his own life.
Speaker 27 (37:02):
So I understand as a father, it makes you want
to kill, don't it.
Speaker 15 (37:19):
Just walk, turn around and walk the back door the house.
Speaker 14 (37:25):
These nasty, spoiled fuckers dumber's dirt, giving your boy a regular.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Beatdown, and you were powerless to stop it. Couldn't do shit.
Speaker 14 (37:38):
Until you could, until you had no choice. That's why
you got fired from the Hadley Dealership, ain't it. You
went to have a chat with Bobby Hadley, man the man,
to see about getting his boys to stop kicking the
shit out of your kid, Julian, but you lost your temper.
(38:01):
You threatened him and he canned your ass, didn't he
After twenty motherfucking years, and.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
You ain't rich like him.
Speaker 14 (38:09):
You got to work to pay for the way up
for your son so he don't end up just like you.
I'm a be able to pay for medical bills and
funeral costs after your wife died that horrible.
Speaker 20 (38:19):
Slow death, leaving you with nothing nothing but your son,
Julian and this red wolf scarf. What God damn it, Nah,
I'm not gonna do it. I ain't going out back.
Speaker 14 (38:39):
Shit, don't look at me like that. I'm standing here
holding evidence while you point a shotgun at me.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Man, I know.
Speaker 14 (38:47):
Which way the wind is blowing, and I ain't going
out like that.
Speaker 15 (38:54):
Damn you're smart, but you are one hair offer.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Ben.
Speaker 15 (39:02):
I'm on the business side of this barrel and you
are still making demands.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Ye goddamn right.
Speaker 14 (39:10):
If you're gonna kill me, I'm not gonna let you
do it outside. It's gonna be right here in the
middle of your home, where you'll have to scrub the
fucking cheap bass linoleum to get the blood and bones
and fragments out. Well, you'll have to use stain blocker
and plaster over pellet holes where you'll have to see
(39:32):
my ghosts every fucking morning when you pour your couple
of weak ass folders and eat your scrambled fucking eggs.
Speaker 15 (39:42):
Please, dear, no, no, please, I don't want to have
you can't you have to, goddamn it.
Speaker 13 (39:51):
This is the choice.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
You are making, a choice you.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Now.
Speaker 14 (39:57):
You can put the gun down and come quietly with
or you can shoot me dead in the middle of
this house, the one you bought with your wife, the
one you wake up nights for your boy, hoping he's
ever gonna come back at all. But I'm sure as
hell they ain't gonna be an accessory to my own
murder by making it easy on you.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
So which is it?
Speaker 7 (40:23):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
What's it gonna be?
Speaker 17 (40:26):
Paul Hi, Paul Solace, you are under harress. You have
the right to.
Speaker 8 (40:39):
Remain the ghosten Emir and the Hounds of Hell. Dan
(41:18):
send in your vinzend and.
Speaker 28 (41:26):
The Man Walk Caves stars Jonathan Tucker as Julian Sallace,
Eddie Gatheggy as James Fincher, Clark Peters as Detective Solomon Smith,
Nick Cercy as Sheriff Kirby Hooper, Justin Welborn as Tyler Wilson,
Jill Jane Clements as Jill Campbell, Brad Carter as Doodlee Tappert,
Scott Poythrus as Reverend Perkins, Samantha Ashley as Dina Fincher,
(41:50):
Justin Matthew Smith as Paul Sawace, Tara Oaks as Laura Sawas,
Jonathan Horn as Deacon Hadley, Alden Karanovich as Thomas Hadley,
Mike w Anderson as Griff Washington, Body Walter Off as
Jimmy Fincher, Brian McClure as Ian Speaks, Larry Clark as
Bobby Hadley, Payden Fallis as Ed LeBlanc, Vic Palisis as
(42:13):
William Fowler, Nick Takosky as Richard Rydell, and Aileen Loy
as The Darkness, with additional performances by Clint McGowan, Dina Dill,
Edward Howard, Henry Foster Brown, Jamie Joseph, Juan Monsalvez, Christopher Curry,
Bailey Hineman, David Mitchell, and Bernard Sataro Clark. Created by
(42:36):
ConL Byrne and Dan Bush. Written by Dan Bush, Zoe
Cooper and Nicholas Dakosky, featuring our theme song Killer Inside,
written produced and performed by Lerea Lynn. Our executive producers
are Matt Frederick, Alexander Williams, Michael Monty, and Courtney du Frees.
Our executive producers at Blumhouse Television are Jeremy Gold, Chris
(42:58):
Dickey and Noah Fine. Produced by Dan Bush, music by
Ben Lovett, Additional music by Alexander Rodriguez, edited by Dan Bush,
Chris Childs, Stephen Perez and David Chen. Sound design by
Benjamin Malcolm. Additional sound design by Alexander Rodriguez. Dialogue editing
and sound mixing by Jant Campos. Recorded at Studio Awesome
(43:21):
in Los Angeles, Sound by Studio in Atlanta and Echo
Mountain in Ashville. Casting by Sunday Bowling, Kennedy and Meg Mormon.
Our dialect coach is Linda Bessesti, Assistant director, Michael Monty,
second assistant director, script supervisor and production coordinator Sarah Klein.
Supervising producer Josh Thain. Special thanks to Mary Ellen and
(43:43):
Jason Davis, Jonathan Dieter, and Joe Rickman. The Manowac Caves
is a production of iHeart Radio, Blumhouse Television, and Psycopia Pictures.
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