May 24, 2023 • 36 mins
Description: Dena prepares for the worst. Julien’s struggle to stop Fincher’s execution takes a devastating turn.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Maniwauk Caves is intended for mature audiences. It contained
strong language and depictions of bullying, violence, and sexual assault
that some may find disturbing. Listener discretion is advised. Also,
this is an extremely immersive experience and headphones are recommended.
You're listening to The Maniwak Caves, a production of iHeartRadio,
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Blumhouse Television, and Psycopia Pictures.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I drove to Nashville with tears in my eyes.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I knew my father loved me.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I didn't know he was the love of a monster.
Come on, come on, pick up, pick up, pick up,
pick up, pick up.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Come ontill Campbell, j.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
Julian, where are you?
Speaker 7 (01:00):
On my way to meet LeBlanc and ask her.
Speaker 8 (01:02):
Where are you?
Speaker 9 (01:06):
I have something something new?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
What do you mean, I have some new evidence? I
know who did it?
Speaker 7 (01:15):
Okay, Chilien, Just slow down.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Now what are you saying?
Speaker 9 (01:22):
I know who killed them?
Speaker 10 (01:40):
The beasts of dough to the tree.
Speaker 11 (01:51):
To leave.
Speaker 9 (01:57):
Ye, the dread saw.
Speaker 12 (02:01):
You know we got your bunny Tyler here too, right.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Yeah, he's right across the all and he's already told
us the truth. So what's it gonna be?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Your story or his?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Now?
Speaker 13 (02:14):
Talk James Venture wanted to take them out to the caves, didn't.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
He for me?
Speaker 8 (02:25):
Maybe so.
Speaker 12 (02:59):
Maybe those dark evil games, even God go near their.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Small desperate voices going out.
Speaker 12 (03:06):
But I believe someone else did hear, and I imagine,
but he made miss O'Leary an offer.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
This is the same scarf here in my hand, I believe,
And you see here why it's been stretched and torn.
Speaker 13 (03:27):
Missus solas, I have a little hunched matches the fabric
found at the crime scene, red won fibers, just like
the ones found under Thomas Hedley's fingernails, sturt around.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Face the scene. You gonna shoot me?
Speaker 11 (03:46):
Paul Finch was going to be executed in a matter
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of hours for a crime he didn't commit. I drove
to Nashville, and as I looked at the red scarf
on the passenger seat, it triggered something just lodged a memory.
Speaker 9 (04:34):
Dad.
Speaker 14 (04:40):
It was a memory of the day my father broke.
Speaker 11 (04:45):
The fog retreated in the memory of it slammed across
my mind hard and pointed a perfect reprisal of his backswing.
Speaker 12 (04:55):
This is your fault.
Speaker 14 (05:00):
I remember.
Speaker 11 (05:01):
The impact felt wet when he did, it smelled metallic,
and when I touched the back of my lips. My
fingers came back red.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Dead, edible, Have I bleeding?
Speaker 10 (05:17):
That's not your blood, boy, I'm your father. Use my
job to protect you. This is all because of that boy.
If he hadn't shown up right after your mother died.
Now I have nose how any boys, was unfortunate mistake, horrible,
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horrible accident.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Sure, sure.
Speaker 9 (05:50):
Good.
Speaker 10 (05:51):
I should have taught you better, but I was. I
was too soft and let your mother stop me. But
it was a mistake. If someone hits you, you hit
that harder. If only you would have told me, If only,
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if only I knew they were beaten, my boy, I could.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Have stopped it.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I would have.
Speaker 10 (06:23):
I would have pulled Bobby Hadley out of his fucking yukon,
get the living shut out of him in.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Front of his tool rad face, little fucking cat.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Damn.
Speaker 10 (06:33):
But I didn't. They want to take you away from me?
Speaker 9 (06:37):
That just you just sit down.
Speaker 10 (06:47):
What am I supposed to do to you? Can listen
to me. You were gonna step up, step right up
on that stand. You hear me, and you're gonna tell
them exactly what they want to hear.
Speaker 8 (07:10):
What you tell.
Speaker 10 (07:12):
Them under oath James Fincher killed Deacon and Thomas Hadeny.
Speaker 9 (07:19):
What what do you say now?
Speaker 10 (07:21):
You saw it happen to James Fincher killed Deacon and
Thomas Adney, But he didn't didn't What did I just
say to you? They wanted to be James Fincher, hold
down Hooper's begging for it, and you you are gonna
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give them what they want. They'll take you away. They'll
take you away from me. So better him than you
say away what they want to Men't do that for me,
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for your mother? Please, I'm begging you. Don't hear what
I just said?
Speaker 12 (08:23):
Do you hear me?
Speaker 11 (08:28):
This memory had been so perfectly, so neatly hidden, my
father stepping into the doorway from my room, hesitating, reaching
down and picking it up. The red scarf, the same
red scarf, now tattered and kate to a dirt, lying
here in the passenger seat beside me, and my father
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held the scarf to his nose. Still smells Lacker, he said,
it still smells like your mother.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
And as I remember this, this image of my father
silhouetted in the doorway, wearing coveralls and cradle in the
red scarf, delicate lane is cracked in galowstands.
Speaker 11 (09:15):
I knew that he's never left, not completely.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
No, he's still here.
Speaker 14 (09:23):
Or what remains of his tortured soul, A gray man
who lurks in the fog of Manawa County, or at
least in the long shadows of my mind, watching trying
to make contact, trying to tell me something.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
Of your behind now more until the out of school.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Good morning, LeBlanc.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
I need to see him.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
He's expecting me.
Speaker 9 (10:08):
Yeah, that looks let's let's not over there, mister LeBlanc.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I uh, Jesus, Julian, where are you covered in dirt?
Mister LeBlanc?
Speaker 7 (10:17):
And Julian, I was just explaining to Ed that you
may have found something.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
The hell is that a scarf?
Speaker 15 (10:23):
That's a scarf.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Just listen, Alsole, you were under arrest. You have the
right to remain, Okay, I'm sorry. That's my dad.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I'm not like you. That's my father.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I won't do anything I have to do.
Speaker 10 (10:56):
My boh, my god, to take the Smith's car was
found in the gorge down below Orlon.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It wasn't Fincher, it was my father.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
Julian, I think you should.
Speaker 8 (11:16):
Have sitt out.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I'll get some water.
Speaker 10 (11:21):
It was my father.
Speaker 16 (11:26):
My God.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
I don't need to get these to the lab.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
We don't have much time.
Speaker 11 (11:51):
LeBlanc and Joe Campbell pairing materials for the governor's review.
So I left LeBlanc's office and headed for the River
Been Maximum Security Prison.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
It's only thirteen.
Speaker 11 (11:59):
Miles from the Blunk's office. I went to tell Finch
everything that I'd found new evidence that could save his life,
to tell him that I'd uncovered the truth once and
for all about who murdered Thomas and Deacon Hadley. Julian
hey man, listen, thank you for putting me on the
list today of old days, Finch. I am here to
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tell you something, something big.
Speaker 17 (12:28):
Come on, man, No, no, no, I'm not kiddings, Sonny
or as a folk.
Speaker 12 (12:35):
You're my last visitor after this. They're moving me where.
Speaker 17 (12:42):
The death house, and I'm looking forward to the ride
over because it will be the last time that I
get to see the light of day.
Speaker 12 (12:49):
So I was hoping for some shine.
Speaker 11 (12:55):
It won't be your last. There is still time for
a petition for a of execution, and we.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Have enough evidence now we can stop this.
Speaker 12 (13:05):
Oh no, okay, listen.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I went to my old house and what I found.
Speaker 9 (13:12):
I mean, I'm still trying to understand it.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Finish backed red scarf.
Speaker 12 (13:17):
It found it under the old oak tree, right.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
You talked to Dina. No, how do you know about that.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
Shit?
Speaker 12 (13:30):
Man?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
You had that fucking scarf on the day I met you.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
I don't remember. You really don't remember the red scarf.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
My mom made it from my father.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Not exactly.
Speaker 12 (13:47):
I guess that's part of the deal.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
What deal?
Speaker 11 (13:53):
You're not making any fucking sense.
Speaker 9 (13:55):
Finished deal.
Speaker 12 (13:57):
It's a deal.
Speaker 17 (14:00):
As old as mankind, remember, miss o'larry Finch.
Speaker 9 (14:06):
I don't want to talk about that mail deal for a.
Speaker 12 (14:08):
Daughter, please Finch.
Speaker 9 (14:09):
We don't have much time.
Speaker 17 (14:11):
And all their bloodline to protect her family treat from extinction.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
She sold it.
Speaker 12 (14:18):
She sold it to that devil in the caves, and.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Every poor soul descended from that line as forever more
old a debt to him.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I don't understand.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Yeah, well you will. You will remember.
Speaker 12 (14:44):
That scarf too.
Speaker 17 (14:51):
The first time I saw you in the red scarf,
I thought you was a poser.
Speaker 12 (14:59):
I want to or some shit. BETI. I used to
laugh and pick on you for it, because I used
to wear that red ass thing every day, even that
hot ass summer.
Speaker 17 (15:16):
You were nice to me. No one else would even
talk to me, hated me before I even said a word,
But you were nice to me. Why were you.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Nice to me?
Speaker 11 (15:43):
All of a sudden, all of my fear and confusion
melted away urgency too. The whole world seemed to stop,
and the past and the future stretched endlessly outward.
Speaker 14 (15:55):
From this point.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
For the first time since we were just.
Speaker 11 (16:01):
I dropped into the present moment with them, just the
two of us, momentarily protected from the inevitability of time itself.
Speaker 10 (16:13):
Why were you nice to me?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Because you were alone, you were suffering.
Speaker 18 (16:23):
I know what that feels like, when the whole world
is cruel to you and you feel like something is
wrong with you, and like you don't belong, like you
are unlovable.
Speaker 12 (16:39):
You had someone, though, someone that loved you.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
More than anything. Strange.
Speaker 11 (16:50):
I forgot all about that scarf, but it's coming back
to me now.
Speaker 12 (16:58):
My mother, that's right. I thought she made it from
my father, but no, she made it.
Speaker 19 (17:03):
For you, maybe while she was dying.
Speaker 12 (17:09):
You know, it's interesting how an object can travel through
time and come to represent something completely different than it
once did.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
For you.
Speaker 12 (17:21):
That scarf was a gift from your.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Mother, Laura.
Speaker 12 (17:28):
Her hands almost skeletal, they shook so bad from the
little mind. She could barely hold the knitting legal. She
couldn't grab through the back of the stitch with her
forefinger and her thumb, so she used her teeth. That's
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why it smelled like her lip bomb, the only thing
she had to keep her lips from cracking.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
She was so frail there at the end, it's.
Speaker 12 (18:02):
Gone pale, all skin and bones and ball, but her
lips they were still shining, and she still smiled wide.
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She finished the scarf though something I remember it bout.
She did something to keep her boy warm after she
was gone, to shelter you against all the cold and
all the darkness in the world, and most of all,
to shelter you from the devil from him. She was tough,
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though your mother. When the devil came to collect his
debt from Laura Solace, she refused, you know, but that
she refused. She refused, and the devil took her instead.
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But he didn't take her right away. He took his time.
He made her suffer. And now that same red scarf
has traveled through time.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Now it's something else.
Speaker 12 (19:32):
Now it's evidence, torn pieces of it were found near
the bodies by the cave, wool fibers underneath Thomas's fingernails,
but the prosecution could never find the article of clothing.
Those fibers belonged to him. They never knew about the
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red scarf. Poor Thomas Hadley. His legs didn't work anymore
because of the fall, but he clawed with all the
strength he had left in him, his fingers grasping desperately,
blindly catching hold of that scarf and hanging on for
dear life. Anyway, what once represented everlasting love and warmth
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and protection is now just a emblem of death.
Speaker 20 (20:28):
But right before she died, your mother, right before she
closed her eyes for good, do you remember what she
told you?
Speaker 9 (20:40):
No, tell me, Please tell me.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I don't remember.
Speaker 12 (20:44):
Forgive him, forgive Your father said he's got the darkness
inside him too, said you all did though, said it
was in your blo uh, the family curse. But for
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kif him, because.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
He loves you.
Speaker 9 (21:13):
It was him, Finch, it was him, It was him.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Your dad.
Speaker 11 (21:23):
Yeah, yes, you do that, didn't you?
Speaker 9 (21:29):
You've known all along well.
Speaker 12 (21:31):
I thought you might say that. I dreamed you thinking it.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
It's true, isn't it?
Speaker 12 (21:38):
I've said too much already. Besides, that's for you to
figure out, Julian, And when you do, you'll you'll know
what you need to do, what.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Exactly do what I need to do?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Remove yourself, remove yourself from the situations.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
If you know the truth. And why have you never
said it?
Speaker 11 (22:11):
Why are you waiting in this fucking cell until they
put you to death?
Speaker 10 (22:16):
Why keep it a secret?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Why give them what they want?
Speaker 9 (22:21):
Why do you want to be their monster when you
know that you're not.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
You're not a monster, Finch, You're my friend.
Speaker 12 (22:41):
And it it's taking me a long time to forgive
you after you betrayed me. What did you I don't
have a choice. Those feelings of betrayal are never gonna help.
Forgiveness is a powerful thing. It is the most powerful thing.
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I can almost see her now, your mama sitting on
her death bed, devil binder. You had to lean into
her speak because she was too weak to sit up herself.
And she placed that red scarf around your neck, and
she looked you in the eye. Do you remember what
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she said? Forgive yourself too?
Speaker 19 (23:55):
Mm hmm, Dina, Dina.
Speaker 12 (24:12):
Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
What is it?
Speaker 8 (24:18):
I don't know exactly. It's a package. Just got home
and found it here my front steps. It's for you
mey're Julian for you?
Speaker 14 (24:29):
Wait, who's it from?
Speaker 8 (24:34):
That's from Dollar.
Speaker 14 (24:39):
I'll light over right now.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Hey, Tina, Julian, you look really nice.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
I do.
Speaker 19 (25:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
I actually haven't wont to dress, probably since I was
a little girl. It's Grandma's half a century old or something,
got a few mouth holes. But I thought i'd wear
it for the observance. I mean, what are you supposed
to wear to your brother's execution? I do not know
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when it's the last time you'll ever see me again,
so I figured I should wear something pretty, just my
abode dress.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
There's still a chance.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Have you heard from.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
Jill or talk to her twenty minutes ago? The governor
has the letter.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
Has he said he wouldn't consider the request.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
Hasn't said anything, hasn't responded at all.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
There's still time.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
Six hours, thirty five minutes either way, I gotta be prepared, don't.
I'm gonna no you ate religious hub, but he please
say a little prayer for James.
Speaker 10 (26:23):
Yes, come in.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
Hello, Wait, what are you for real? Are you really
telling me this right now? Oh? My god? Oh, my god.
What okay, okay, what do I do right now?
Speaker 12 (26:54):
What?
Speaker 8 (26:55):
What channel?
Speaker 9 (26:56):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (26:56):
Thanks Jill? What there's that been in? They're gonna delay
the execution? Is there not the TV channel? Nun?
Speaker 15 (27:11):
As Christians, we can't let a man be put to
death when new evidence has come to light they could
prove his innocence.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Next question, the appeals have all been denied?
Speaker 10 (27:21):
Is there a.
Speaker 15 (27:22):
President for all appeals have been tonight? Those appeals and
court decisions were made before this new evidence, and we
need to open this thing back up and go.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
Okay, I guess I could take this dress off.
Speaker 11 (27:37):
Yes, ma'am, it's a nice dress.
Speaker 14 (27:40):
Though.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
You look.
Speaker 11 (27:46):
Really nice, he thinks, So I don you like.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Sult me just for.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
I held her for a long time, standing in her
living room. Outside, the wind began to blow and the
rain began to fall.
Speaker 14 (28:13):
A storm was coming.
Speaker 11 (28:17):
She gave me the package from Tyler, my name with
her address. He'd overnighted it, a small white box with
only his initials and no return address. Finch wasn't a
free man, but we'd want a huge battle gotten the
noose off from around his neck at least for a
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little while.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Even if the war was still raging.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
It felt like a victory.
Speaker 11 (29:04):
I drove back to the cemetery. There was something I
needed to do. I should have done it when I
first arrived in Pottsville. I needed to pay a visit
to someone. Mom and Dad are buried at the top
of a rolling hill in the middle a plot reserved
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for our family. I took Tyler's package and walked up.
The plot was overgrown with grass and weeds.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Laura Solace.
Speaker 11 (29:34):
The letters engrave that my mother's stone were worn away
from the harsh winters. I sat down beside Mom's gravestone,
leaned my back against it. I could look out and
see all of Pottsville. From here, the white steep over
the first Baptist Church stretching up above the small town,
clutching its crucifix high in the sky.
Speaker 14 (29:54):
Toward off the devils and the demons.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Off in the distance.
Speaker 11 (29:58):
I could see where the swirling gray light in storm
had settled into the valley, where the caves were like
a vortex lighting in arcs flashing across the sky.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Okay.
Speaker 11 (30:19):
I peeled open the package from Tyler. The first thing
I found was a handwritten note, Julian, Julian, I've had.
Speaker 14 (30:29):
This thing hidden away all these years.
Speaker 16 (30:31):
But I been here in my house because they're going
to search the place after they find me. But it
ain't for them. Almost burned it. But it's not really
Minded's or either. It's yours. It's your truth, and it's
your decision about what to do with it.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
No one else.
Speaker 12 (30:52):
This has all the answers you were looking for.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Good luck, body tie.
Speaker 11 (31:05):
It was a video camera, Sony handycam Mini DV. I
felt the weight of it in my hands, less than
a couple pounds, but I could barely lift it. My
mind was instantly flooded with memories that summer after we
met Finch, all the videos we made. It was the
video camera, the one Tyler used to record everything, everything
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that happened in the caves, the night that the Hadley
brothers died.
Speaker 9 (31:37):
Hey, Jill, congrats, it looks like we could.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
All take a breath.
Speaker 11 (31:43):
I mean, not the doubt come I expected.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Well.
Speaker 11 (31:50):
I was trying to hold on to hope for Finch,
but it felt like a losing battle, so I didn't
expect something to actually go right for a change.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
I guess the universe is full of surprise.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
It's uh huh.
Speaker 17 (32:03):
Well, I have.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Another one for you.
Speaker 18 (32:06):
Oh yeah, what's that?
Speaker 7 (32:09):
If you are driving? I need you to pull over
before I can tell you.
Speaker 14 (32:16):
I'm not driving.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
James Bencher just confessed to killing Dincon and Thomas Hadley.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
M uh wait.
Speaker 21 (32:50):
Sleeve so so.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
Off, so as I.
Speaker 21 (32:57):
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Speaker 22 (33:24):
On The Manwalk Caves stars Jonathan Tucker as Julian Sawace,
Eddie Gaftheggy as James Fincher, Clark Peters as Detective Solomon Smith,
Nick Cercy as Sheriff Kirby Hooper, Justin Welborn as Tyler Wilson,
Jill Jane Clements as Jill Campbell, Brad Carter as Dooley Tappert,
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Scott Poethrus as Reverend Perkins, Samantha Ashley as Dina Fincher,
Justin Matthew Smith as Paul Sawace, Tara Oaks as Laura Sallace,
Jonathan Horn as Deacon Hadley, Alden Karanovitch as Thomas Hadley,
Mike w Anderson as Griff Washington, Body, Walterroff as Jimmy Fincher,
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Brian McClure as Ian Speinks, Larry Clark as Bobby Hadley,
Paydon Fallis as ed LeBlanc, Vic Palisis as William Fowler,
Nick Takosky as Richard Rydell, and Aileen Loy as The Darkness,
with additional performances by Clint McGowan, Dina Dill, Edward Howard,
Henry Foster Brown, Jamie Joseph, Juan Monsalvez, Christopher Curry, Bailey Hineman,
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David Mitchell, and Bernard Sataro Clark. Created by Connell Byrne
and Dan Bush. Written by Dan Bush, Zoe Cooper and
Nicholas Dakosky, featuring our theme song Killer Inside, written produced
and performed by Lear Lynn. Our executive producers are Matt Frederick,
Alexander Williams, Michael Monty, and Courtney de Frees. Our executive
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producers at Blumhouse Television are g Jremy Gold, Chris Dickey,
and Noah Feinberg. Produced by Dan Bush, music by Ben Lovett.
Additional music by Alexander Rodriguez. This episode features the song
darln Corey, performed by Helena Rose, Edited by Dan Bush
Chris Childs, Stephen Perez and David Chen. Sound design by
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Benjamin Balcom, Additional sound design by Alexander Rodriguez. Dialogue editing
and sound mixing by Juan Campos. Recorded at Studio Awesome
in Los Angeles, sound Byte Studio in Atlanta, and Echo
Mountain in Ashville. Casting by Sunday Bowling, Kennedy and Meg Mormon.
Our dialect coach is Linda the Sesti, Assistant director, Michael Monty,
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Supervising producer Josh Thain. Special thanks to Mary Ellen and
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
I drove to Nashville with tears in my eyes.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I knew my father loved me.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I didn't know he was the love of a monster.
Come on, come on, pick up, pick up, pick up,
pick up, pick up.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Come ontill Campbell, j.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
Julian, where are you?
Speaker 7 (01:00):
On my way to meet LeBlanc and ask her.
Speaker 8 (01:02):
Where are you?
Speaker 9 (01:06):
I have something something new?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
What do you mean, I have some new evidence? I
know who did it?
Speaker 7 (01:15):
Okay, Chilien, Just slow down.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Now what are you saying?
Speaker 9 (01:22):
I know who killed them?
Speaker 10 (01:40):
The beasts of dough to the tree.
Speaker 11 (01:51):
To leave.
Speaker 9 (01:57):
Ye, the dread saw.
Speaker 12 (02:01):
You know we got your bunny Tyler here too, right.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Yeah, he's right across the all and he's already told
us the truth. So what's it gonna be?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Your story or his?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Now?
Speaker 13 (02:14):
Talk James Venture wanted to take them out to the caves, didn't.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
He for me?
Speaker 8 (02:25):
Maybe so.
Speaker 12 (02:59):
Maybe those dark evil games, even God go near their.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Small desperate voices going out.
Speaker 12 (03:06):
But I believe someone else did hear, and I imagine,
but he made miss O'Leary an offer.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
This is the same scarf here in my hand, I believe,
And you see here why it's been stretched and torn.
Speaker 13 (03:27):
Missus solas, I have a little hunched matches the fabric
found at the crime scene, red won fibers, just like
the ones found under Thomas Hedley's fingernails, sturt around.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Face the scene. You gonna shoot me?
Speaker 11 (03:46):
Paul Finch was going to be executed in a matter
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of hours for a crime he didn't commit. I drove
to Nashville, and as I looked at the red scarf
on the passenger seat, it triggered something just lodged a memory.
Speaker 9 (04:34):
Dad.
Speaker 14 (04:40):
It was a memory of the day my father broke.
Speaker 11 (04:45):
The fog retreated in the memory of it slammed across
my mind hard and pointed a perfect reprisal of his backswing.
Speaker 12 (04:55):
This is your fault.
Speaker 14 (05:00):
I remember.
Speaker 11 (05:01):
The impact felt wet when he did, it smelled metallic,
and when I touched the back of my lips. My
fingers came back red.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Dead, edible, Have I bleeding?
Speaker 10 (05:17):
That's not your blood, boy, I'm your father. Use my
job to protect you. This is all because of that boy.
If he hadn't shown up right after your mother died.
Now I have nose how any boys, was unfortunate mistake, horrible,
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horrible accident.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Sure, sure.
Speaker 9 (05:50):
Good.
Speaker 10 (05:51):
I should have taught you better, but I was. I
was too soft and let your mother stop me. But
it was a mistake. If someone hits you, you hit
that harder. If only you would have told me, If only,
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if only I knew they were beaten, my boy, I could.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Have stopped it.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I would have.
Speaker 10 (06:23):
I would have pulled Bobby Hadley out of his fucking yukon,
get the living shut out of him in.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Front of his tool rad face, little fucking cat.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Damn.
Speaker 10 (06:33):
But I didn't. They want to take you away from me?
Speaker 9 (06:37):
That just you just sit down.
Speaker 10 (06:47):
What am I supposed to do to you? Can listen
to me. You were gonna step up, step right up
on that stand. You hear me, and you're gonna tell
them exactly what they want to hear.
Speaker 8 (07:10):
What you tell.
Speaker 10 (07:12):
Them under oath James Fincher killed Deacon and Thomas Hadeny.
Speaker 9 (07:19):
What what do you say now?
Speaker 10 (07:21):
You saw it happen to James Fincher killed Deacon and
Thomas Adney, But he didn't didn't What did I just
say to you? They wanted to be James Fincher, hold
down Hooper's begging for it, and you you are gonna
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give them what they want. They'll take you away. They'll
take you away from me. So better him than you
say away what they want to Men't do that for me,
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for your mother? Please, I'm begging you. Don't hear what
I just said?
Speaker 12 (08:23):
Do you hear me?
Speaker 11 (08:28):
This memory had been so perfectly, so neatly hidden, my
father stepping into the doorway from my room, hesitating, reaching
down and picking it up. The red scarf, the same
red scarf, now tattered and kate to a dirt, lying
here in the passenger seat beside me, and my father
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held the scarf to his nose. Still smells Lacker, he said,
it still smells like your mother.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
And as I remember this, this image of my father
silhouetted in the doorway, wearing coveralls and cradle in the
red scarf, delicate lane is cracked in galowstands.
Speaker 11 (09:15):
I knew that he's never left, not completely.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
No, he's still here.
Speaker 14 (09:23):
Or what remains of his tortured soul, A gray man
who lurks in the fog of Manawa County, or at
least in the long shadows of my mind, watching trying
to make contact, trying to tell me something.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
Of your behind now more until the out of school.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Good morning, LeBlanc.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
I need to see him.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
He's expecting me.
Speaker 9 (10:08):
Yeah, that looks let's let's not over there, mister LeBlanc.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I uh, Jesus, Julian, where are you covered in dirt?
Mister LeBlanc?
Speaker 7 (10:17):
And Julian, I was just explaining to Ed that you
may have found something.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
The hell is that a scarf?
Speaker 15 (10:23):
That's a scarf.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Just listen, Alsole, you were under arrest. You have the
right to remain, Okay, I'm sorry. That's my dad.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I'm not like you. That's my father.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I won't do anything I have to do.
Speaker 10 (10:56):
My boh, my god, to take the Smith's car was
found in the gorge down below Orlon.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It wasn't Fincher, it was my father.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
Julian, I think you should.
Speaker 8 (11:16):
Have sitt out.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I'll get some water.
Speaker 10 (11:21):
It was my father.
Speaker 16 (11:26):
My God.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
I don't need to get these to the lab.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
We don't have much time.
Speaker 11 (11:51):
LeBlanc and Joe Campbell pairing materials for the governor's review.
So I left LeBlanc's office and headed for the River
Been Maximum Security Prison.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
It's only thirteen.
Speaker 11 (11:59):
Miles from the Blunk's office. I went to tell Finch
everything that I'd found new evidence that could save his life,
to tell him that I'd uncovered the truth once and
for all about who murdered Thomas and Deacon Hadley. Julian
hey man, listen, thank you for putting me on the
list today of old days, Finch. I am here to
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tell you something, something big.
Speaker 17 (12:28):
Come on, man, No, no, no, I'm not kiddings, Sonny
or as a folk.
Speaker 12 (12:35):
You're my last visitor after this. They're moving me where.
Speaker 17 (12:42):
The death house, and I'm looking forward to the ride
over because it will be the last time that I
get to see the light of day.
Speaker 12 (12:49):
So I was hoping for some shine.
Speaker 11 (12:55):
It won't be your last. There is still time for
a petition for a of execution, and we.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Have enough evidence now we can stop this.
Speaker 12 (13:05):
Oh no, okay, listen.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I went to my old house and what I found.
Speaker 9 (13:12):
I mean, I'm still trying to understand it.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Finish backed red scarf.
Speaker 12 (13:17):
It found it under the old oak tree, right.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
You talked to Dina. No, how do you know about that.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
Shit?
Speaker 12 (13:30):
Man?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
You had that fucking scarf on the day I met you.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
I don't remember. You really don't remember the red scarf.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
My mom made it from my father.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Not exactly.
Speaker 12 (13:47):
I guess that's part of the deal.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
What deal?
Speaker 11 (13:53):
You're not making any fucking sense.
Speaker 9 (13:55):
Finished deal.
Speaker 12 (13:57):
It's a deal.
Speaker 17 (14:00):
As old as mankind, remember, miss o'larry Finch.
Speaker 9 (14:06):
I don't want to talk about that mail deal for a.
Speaker 12 (14:08):
Daughter, please Finch.
Speaker 9 (14:09):
We don't have much time.
Speaker 17 (14:11):
And all their bloodline to protect her family treat from extinction.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
She sold it.
Speaker 12 (14:18):
She sold it to that devil in the caves, and.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Every poor soul descended from that line as forever more
old a debt to him.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I don't understand.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Yeah, well you will. You will remember.
Speaker 12 (14:44):
That scarf too.
Speaker 17 (14:51):
The first time I saw you in the red scarf,
I thought you was a poser.
Speaker 12 (14:59):
I want to or some shit. BETI. I used to
laugh and pick on you for it, because I used
to wear that red ass thing every day, even that
hot ass summer.
Speaker 17 (15:16):
You were nice to me. No one else would even
talk to me, hated me before I even said a word,
But you were nice to me. Why were you.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Nice to me?
Speaker 11 (15:43):
All of a sudden, all of my fear and confusion
melted away urgency too. The whole world seemed to stop,
and the past and the future stretched endlessly outward.
Speaker 14 (15:55):
From this point.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
For the first time since we were just.
Speaker 11 (16:01):
I dropped into the present moment with them, just the
two of us, momentarily protected from the inevitability of time itself.
Speaker 10 (16:13):
Why were you nice to me?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Because you were alone, you were suffering.
Speaker 18 (16:23):
I know what that feels like, when the whole world
is cruel to you and you feel like something is
wrong with you, and like you don't belong, like you
are unlovable.
Speaker 12 (16:39):
You had someone, though, someone that loved you.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
More than anything. Strange.
Speaker 11 (16:50):
I forgot all about that scarf, but it's coming back
to me now.
Speaker 12 (16:58):
My mother, that's right. I thought she made it from
my father, but no, she made it.
Speaker 19 (17:03):
For you, maybe while she was dying.
Speaker 12 (17:09):
You know, it's interesting how an object can travel through
time and come to represent something completely different than it
once did.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
For you.
Speaker 12 (17:21):
That scarf was a gift from your.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Mother, Laura.
Speaker 12 (17:28):
Her hands almost skeletal, they shook so bad from the
little mind. She could barely hold the knitting legal. She
couldn't grab through the back of the stitch with her
forefinger and her thumb, so she used her teeth. That's
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why it smelled like her lip bomb, the only thing
she had to keep her lips from cracking.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
She was so frail there at the end, it's.
Speaker 12 (18:02):
Gone pale, all skin and bones and ball, but her
lips they were still shining, and she still smiled wide.
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She finished the scarf though something I remember it bout.
She did something to keep her boy warm after she
was gone, to shelter you against all the cold and
all the darkness in the world, and most of all,
to shelter you from the devil from him. She was tough,
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though your mother. When the devil came to collect his
debt from Laura Solace, she refused, you know, but that
she refused. She refused, and the devil took her instead.
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But he didn't take her right away. He took his time.
He made her suffer. And now that same red scarf
has traveled through time.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Now it's something else.
Speaker 12 (19:32):
Now it's evidence, torn pieces of it were found near
the bodies by the cave, wool fibers underneath Thomas's fingernails,
but the prosecution could never find the article of clothing.
Those fibers belonged to him. They never knew about the
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red scarf. Poor Thomas Hadley. His legs didn't work anymore
because of the fall, but he clawed with all the
strength he had left in him, his fingers grasping desperately,
blindly catching hold of that scarf and hanging on for
dear life. Anyway, what once represented everlasting love and warmth
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and protection is now just a emblem of death.
Speaker 20 (20:28):
But right before she died, your mother, right before she
closed her eyes for good, do you remember what she
told you?
Speaker 9 (20:40):
No, tell me, Please tell me.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I don't remember.
Speaker 12 (20:44):
Forgive him, forgive Your father said he's got the darkness
inside him too, said you all did though, said it
was in your blo uh, the family curse. But for
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kif him, because.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
He loves you.
Speaker 9 (21:13):
It was him, Finch, it was him, It was him.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Your dad.
Speaker 11 (21:23):
Yeah, yes, you do that, didn't you?
Speaker 9 (21:29):
You've known all along well.
Speaker 12 (21:31):
I thought you might say that. I dreamed you thinking it.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
It's true, isn't it?
Speaker 12 (21:38):
I've said too much already. Besides, that's for you to
figure out, Julian, And when you do, you'll you'll know
what you need to do, what.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Exactly do what I need to do?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Remove yourself, remove yourself from the situations.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
If you know the truth. And why have you never
said it?
Speaker 11 (22:11):
Why are you waiting in this fucking cell until they
put you to death?
Speaker 10 (22:16):
Why keep it a secret?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Why give them what they want?
Speaker 9 (22:21):
Why do you want to be their monster when you
know that you're not.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
You're not a monster, Finch, You're my friend.
Speaker 12 (22:41):
And it it's taking me a long time to forgive
you after you betrayed me. What did you I don't
have a choice. Those feelings of betrayal are never gonna help.
Forgiveness is a powerful thing. It is the most powerful thing.
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I can almost see her now, your mama sitting on
her death bed, devil binder. You had to lean into
her speak because she was too weak to sit up herself.
And she placed that red scarf around your neck, and
she looked you in the eye. Do you remember what
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she said? Forgive yourself too?
Speaker 19 (23:55):
Mm hmm, Dina, Dina.
Speaker 12 (24:12):
Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
What is it?
Speaker 8 (24:18):
I don't know exactly. It's a package. Just got home
and found it here my front steps. It's for you
mey're Julian for you?
Speaker 14 (24:29):
Wait, who's it from?
Speaker 8 (24:34):
That's from Dollar.
Speaker 14 (24:39):
I'll light over right now.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Hey, Tina, Julian, you look really nice.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
I do.
Speaker 19 (25:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
I actually haven't wont to dress, probably since I was
a little girl. It's Grandma's half a century old or something,
got a few mouth holes. But I thought i'd wear
it for the observance. I mean, what are you supposed
to wear to your brother's execution? I do not know
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when it's the last time you'll ever see me again,
so I figured I should wear something pretty, just my
abode dress.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
There's still a chance.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Have you heard from.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
Jill or talk to her twenty minutes ago? The governor
has the letter.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
Has he said he wouldn't consider the request.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
Hasn't said anything, hasn't responded at all.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
There's still time.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
Six hours, thirty five minutes either way, I gotta be prepared, don't.
I'm gonna no you ate religious hub, but he please
say a little prayer for James.
Speaker 10 (26:23):
Yes, come in.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
Hello, Wait, what are you for real? Are you really
telling me this right now? Oh? My god? Oh, my god.
What okay, okay, what do I do right now?
Speaker 12 (26:54):
What?
Speaker 8 (26:55):
What channel?
Speaker 9 (26:56):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (26:56):
Thanks Jill? What there's that been in? They're gonna delay
the execution? Is there not the TV channel? Nun?
Speaker 15 (27:11):
As Christians, we can't let a man be put to
death when new evidence has come to light they could
prove his innocence.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Next question, the appeals have all been denied?
Speaker 10 (27:21):
Is there a.
Speaker 15 (27:22):
President for all appeals have been tonight? Those appeals and
court decisions were made before this new evidence, and we
need to open this thing back up and go.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
Okay, I guess I could take this dress off.
Speaker 11 (27:37):
Yes, ma'am, it's a nice dress.
Speaker 14 (27:40):
Though.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
You look.
Speaker 11 (27:46):
Really nice, he thinks, So I don you like.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Sult me just for.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
I held her for a long time, standing in her
living room. Outside, the wind began to blow and the
rain began to fall.
Speaker 14 (28:13):
A storm was coming.
Speaker 11 (28:17):
She gave me the package from Tyler, my name with
her address. He'd overnighted it, a small white box with
only his initials and no return address. Finch wasn't a
free man, but we'd want a huge battle gotten the
noose off from around his neck at least for a
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little while.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Even if the war was still raging.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
It felt like a victory.
Speaker 11 (29:04):
I drove back to the cemetery. There was something I
needed to do. I should have done it when I
first arrived in Pottsville. I needed to pay a visit
to someone. Mom and Dad are buried at the top
of a rolling hill in the middle a plot reserved
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for our family. I took Tyler's package and walked up.
The plot was overgrown with grass and weeds.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Laura Solace.
Speaker 11 (29:34):
The letters engrave that my mother's stone were worn away
from the harsh winters. I sat down beside Mom's gravestone,
leaned my back against it. I could look out and
see all of Pottsville. From here, the white steep over
the first Baptist Church stretching up above the small town,
clutching its crucifix high in the sky.
Speaker 14 (29:54):
Toward off the devils and the demons.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Off in the distance.
Speaker 11 (29:58):
I could see where the swirling gray light in storm
had settled into the valley, where the caves were like
a vortex lighting in arcs flashing across the sky.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Okay.
Speaker 11 (30:19):
I peeled open the package from Tyler. The first thing
I found was a handwritten note, Julian, Julian, I've had.
Speaker 14 (30:29):
This thing hidden away all these years.
Speaker 16 (30:31):
But I been here in my house because they're going
to search the place after they find me. But it
ain't for them. Almost burned it. But it's not really
Minded's or either. It's yours. It's your truth, and it's
your decision about what to do with it.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
No one else.
Speaker 12 (30:52):
This has all the answers you were looking for.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Good luck, body tie.
Speaker 11 (31:05):
It was a video camera, Sony handycam Mini DV. I
felt the weight of it in my hands, less than
a couple pounds, but I could barely lift it. My
mind was instantly flooded with memories that summer after we
met Finch, all the videos we made. It was the
video camera, the one Tyler used to record everything, everything
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that happened in the caves, the night that the Hadley
brothers died.
Speaker 9 (31:37):
Hey, Jill, congrats, it looks like we could.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
All take a breath.
Speaker 11 (31:43):
I mean, not the doubt come I expected.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Well.
Speaker 11 (31:50):
I was trying to hold on to hope for Finch,
but it felt like a losing battle, so I didn't
expect something to actually go right for a change.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
I guess the universe is full of surprise.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
It's uh huh.
Speaker 17 (32:03):
Well, I have.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Another one for you.
Speaker 18 (32:06):
Oh yeah, what's that?
Speaker 7 (32:09):
If you are driving? I need you to pull over
before I can tell you.
Speaker 14 (32:16):
I'm not driving.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
James Bencher just confessed to killing Dincon and Thomas Hadley.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
M uh wait.
Speaker 21 (32:50):
Sleeve so so.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
Off, so as I.
Speaker 21 (32:57):
Go, Man, you're gonaterry your house down O the first
Thomas Darling Corey she was sing Banks service Fanow for
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the four rounder bally E Bangel.
Speaker 22 (33:24):
On The Manwalk Caves stars Jonathan Tucker as Julian Sawace,
Eddie Gaftheggy as James Fincher, Clark Peters as Detective Solomon Smith,
Nick Cercy as Sheriff Kirby Hooper, Justin Welborn as Tyler Wilson,
Jill Jane Clements as Jill Campbell, Brad Carter as Dooley Tappert,
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Scott Poethrus as Reverend Perkins, Samantha Ashley as Dina Fincher,
Justin Matthew Smith as Paul Sawace, Tara Oaks as Laura Sallace,
Jonathan Horn as Deacon Hadley, Alden Karanovitch as Thomas Hadley,
Mike w Anderson as Griff Washington, Body, Walterroff as Jimmy Fincher,
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Brian McClure as Ian Speinks, Larry Clark as Bobby Hadley,
Paydon Fallis as ed LeBlanc, Vic Palisis as William Fowler,
Nick Takosky as Richard Rydell, and Aileen Loy as The Darkness,
with additional performances by Clint McGowan, Dina Dill, Edward Howard,
Henry Foster Brown, Jamie Joseph, Juan Monsalvez, Christopher Curry, Bailey Hineman,
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David Mitchell, and Bernard Sataro Clark. Created by Connell Byrne
and Dan Bush. Written by Dan Bush, Zoe Cooper and
Nicholas Dakosky, featuring our theme song Killer Inside, written produced
and performed by Lear Lynn. Our executive producers are Matt Frederick,
Alexander Williams, Michael Monty, and Courtney de Frees. Our executive
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producers at Blumhouse Television are g Jremy Gold, Chris Dickey,
and Noah Feinberg. Produced by Dan Bush, music by Ben Lovett.
Additional music by Alexander Rodriguez. This episode features the song
darln Corey, performed by Helena Rose, Edited by Dan Bush
Chris Childs, Stephen Perez and David Chen. Sound design by
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Benjamin Balcom, Additional sound design by Alexander Rodriguez. Dialogue editing
and sound mixing by Juan Campos. Recorded at Studio Awesome
in Los Angeles, sound Byte Studio in Atlanta, and Echo
Mountain in Ashville. Casting by Sunday Bowling, Kennedy and Meg Mormon.
Our dialect coach is Linda the Sesti, Assistant director, Michael Monty,
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second assistant director, script supervisor and production coordinator Sarah Klein.
Supervising producer Josh Thain. Special thanks to Mary Ellen and
Jason Davis, Jonathan Dieter, and Joe Rickman. The Manowak Caves
is a production of iHeart Radio, Blumhouse Television and Psycopia Pictures.
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