Ep. 502: Hunting with Barstool’s Sydnie Wells

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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first light dot com. F I R S T L
I T E dot com. Hey Philip, you turn the
machine on. Machine is on. Okay, we'll start the show
right here. Tell that again, Chester real quick. The other
day I went, I'm gonna use this to I'm gonna
use this to I'm gonna piggyback my story on your story.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
The other day I went into a gas station in
North Dakota and I needed to buy some zinfandel, which
is zen cho we called zinfandale. But the kid wouldn't
let me buy it because my Montana I D did
not scan and I was like I was jones and
for some because we were on the way back from

(01:14):
Wisconsin and I had long car ride. Danielle, my wife's
in there, crying baby. It was just like I really
needed it.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
She wasn't crying baby. No, there was crying baby. Crying baby,
said my wife, Danielle in there crying baby, like she's
in there going I think, I think, I said.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
And the anyways, I got I kind of got mad,
and I never do that.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
That's what happens to as I was this is a
this is a well known thing with addicts.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
I was like, dude, I was like, here's three credit cards,
here's my work. I d it, says photographer on it,
and call the cops. No, I didn't go that far,
but I like convinced them to get me the zims.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
It was either that or you're gonna tear that place.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I made it.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Don't made me go out and get my chainsaw.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Made it through the drive.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I'm gonna pick it up it. Can I pick it back?
My thing?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I know? Sure? Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
So I was in Duluth, Minnesota a long time ago.
I was driving from I was driving across the country.
I took a little side d two were up into
to Duluth and I'm in a bar in Duluth and
I get carted. I was a youngster back then, and
uh twenty six, twenty seven years old, and I have
a Montana driver's license. And the guy at the bar says,

(02:42):
I'm not kidding you. He says, hey, can you bring
a grease trap to my buddy's Pete's joint in fours?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
And you didn't know? The guy?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
No, what did you know? The guy get me forty bucks? What'sppened?
Did you know?

Speaker 4 (02:56):
The guy in four corner?

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Idly, I hand my bar to my bye and I
need to a bartender. He goes, you live in Montana
and I'm like yeah, and he goes, he knew Montana well,
and he's like he knew. However, we got to talk
about where I was going, and he wants me to
detour and drop a grease trap off at a bar

(03:19):
in uh uh in four corners near here, like the
Corner Club. I can't remember what the name of the
place was so long ago. He says, I'll give you
forty bucks. All you gotta do is bring it there
and set it out back. Did you do it? Yeah? Well,
he gives me a box and it's just a big
heavy box, all sealed up. And I get down the

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road and I start getting paranoid. I start getting paranoid.
I get down the road aways and I get so
paranoid that I pull over cut that box open open
up is legitimately is a greasy ass grease trap. That's
fun man, And I made my delivery, got paid ahead
of time.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Perfect.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
So it's called American elbow grease. How does this relate
to the tobacco thing? He said, you got to start.
There's a loose there's a tenuous piggy bag. Okay, joy
today Sidney Wells from outdoor Sports. What am I saying?
Barstool not outdoor barstool outdoors? Yes, which is part I'm mixed.

(04:27):
I combined out.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
Door barstool sports. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I meant to say barstool sports, but it's barstool outdoors.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Yeah, it's been a long day.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
And tell us why it's been a long day.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
We've been duck hunting all morning.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Under the tutelage of our other guests, Brady Davis, give
us the setup. How would you say what we're give
us what we were doing.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
So we'd been watching this field for a handful of days.
You know, it's it's a cut spring wheat field. It's
been loading up with ducks, loading up with keys, loloading
up with swans. Yeah, I actually had three swans, decoy
to day and land.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, you don't see that. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
A circle that is not normal, circled around. They're pushing
through right now.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Nobody had a tag.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
No, and even if you did, you can't hunt him
here in this flyway.

Speaker 6 (05:15):
If I'm if I'm not mistaken, I think the only
place you can hunt him is up it freeze out
Lake North.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
So, yeah, we had a good game plan, good setup. Man.
I thought we had a heck of a morning. I
mean good time.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
You did good at playing clean up too.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
It was a good morning.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
It's really fun and talk some crap, and I was
shooting birds and he shoots a He shoots an old
ass ten gauge. It's eight seventy it's a Browning BPS. Okay, Yeah,
you can't tell because it's painted like an American flag. Yep,
I know.

Speaker 6 (05:48):
Yeah, it's Zarah Codad. It's a ten gauge pump with
a thirty two inch.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Barrels, the lords gauge. It's the Lord's.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Gauge, and the home with that thing all the time.

Speaker 6 (06:00):
I hunt with it as much as I can. Yeah,
what I'll tell you is it's a strike killer.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Well every time he hits, he's like, well that's the
ten gage. Well you still have to aim it. Yeah,
it's like just a little more going on. Like you
could give that gun to a lot of people, nothing's
gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (06:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there there's there's a bit of skill
involved for sure.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, everyb what that is called is that's called leading proper.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
We did have one goose that was it was a
heck of a poke with the ten bore. Yeah, at
one high goose. That was good.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
But now I had a great time. It was fun
hunting with you guys. We got him.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
It was funny hunting out of the A frame too, because
when I was told there was gonna be a dry field,
I thought I was going to be in layout lines.
So the A frame was great to hear that we
were hunting out of.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's so comfortable. Yeah, we had a guy. We had
a guy on the show. Chester. You were there, Chester's
here and was there? Max bard Is here, was not there,
Chili's here, was not there? Seth's here was there? Mm
following Yeah, we got it losing a lot of listeners.

(07:07):
Do you know what I'm gonna tell Chester about layout blinds. Yes,
we had a guy on the podcast who was in
a layout blind and uh someone said, like get him,
and he blew three of his toes. He blew the
What's interesting is he blew three of them out of
the middle. Like when you picture blowing your toes off,
don't you picture blowing the edges? No you don't.

Speaker 5 (07:31):
I picture you right in the middle of your foot. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
I always picture you'd shoot off one of the sides.
You shoot off your pinky toe, like I could picture
shooting off my big toe. I can't picture plucking the
three middle toes, goal, pucking the three middle toes out
of the spread.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
I just picture blowing the whole damn thing.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, all their toes.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
You have a picture of that somewhere way down on your.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Way down there. No, I wasn't there when he did it,
but I was there, and he told the Now, my
old man was shot in the foot rabbit hunting and
carried those pellets for a long long time in his foot.
No tolls removed. And then he didn't want to tell me.
They tried to keep it secret. So he acts like
he uh, act like he had had some kind of
other injury and they kept it secret from people that

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someone had blown him in the foot.

Speaker 7 (08:22):
There was a guy last year here in Montana, a
young buck that blew his foot off and had to
get life lighted out of the field. Uh, pretty pretty
much like the bottom half of his like or top
half of his foot.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
See that ceases to be funny.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
What that's not?

Speaker 1 (08:38):
That's not I was telling the funny story. But it's
funny like shooting yourself.

Speaker 7 (08:48):
Like, No, he wasn't using a blind at all.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Do you want to know the crazy thing about this guy?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
He still shot the geese.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
He's still the delay or ducks, so he's getting out
of his layout blind Boom.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Max knows this guy.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Oh you do. Yeah, that's the.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
First time we met. Max was on that Oh because
Max stopped in on that shoot.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Max stopped in flayed a bunch of walleyes and.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Then packing a big old dip there chest. You can't talk.
Uh you know him? Yeah, Danny, Yeah, Yeah, I know Danny.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Boom.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
There goes his toes and he's still like the delay.
The realization is, so he shoots it. He still shoots.
But then here's where it falls apart. If you ask
him if he hit he doesn't know. So somewhere between

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somewhere you following me, yea, somewhere between shooting his toes
and registering whether or not he had a hit, it
struck him what had happened.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, he probably started shooting and realized something bad just happened.

Speaker 7 (10:08):
I usually block out when I shoot into a flock
of geese. Yeah, I still got all my toes still.

Speaker 6 (10:14):
Yeah, this is precisely why we had that long safety
speech this morning.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Oh I really appreciated that safety speech. Yeah, yeah, good, Yeah,
we do it. No, that's great. Yeah, it's like a
really a really uh thorough motivational safety speech.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Dude, I love that. Yeah, there's so many people, like,
there's so many times people don't do that and then
like stuff happened.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
You know what it was in my it was it
was helpful because it uh the way you handle it
in the story you tell uh, it's effective because it
made it. It burned in my head.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, you rethink things no matter how many times you
you know, are out there hunting or holding a gun.
It just it's always good to have that fresh reminder.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
I was telling them, we do it even when it's
just us like the same guys we hunt with day
in and day out.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
We could have hunted twelve days in a row.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
And at the start of the hunt before shooting, like,
I'm going to stand in front of the A frame
blind and give a little bit of a soapbox speech
about safety.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
Yeah. That constant reminders good because some people get overconfident.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
Well, and sometimes the more you do it right, when
you're doing it every day, you just getcent you get complacent.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
You get like a version of you get like a
version of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, And so we
go through it every day.

Speaker 6 (11:31):
Luckily, everybody that we hunt with that's kind of on
our team takes it serious. But especially when with guests
and new people. Right, I'm like, hey, we're going to
harp on you if we see anything that shouldn't be happening. Yeah,
let's just let's just do it right from the start,
and it's way more fun than we don't have to
be paranoid. And because we've all hunted with people that, like,
thirty minutes in, you're.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Like, we should have a safety speech.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
We don't effective about oh sorry, go ahead, even just
the reminder of the gun on the A frame, like
just talking about not getting it caught, safety, all that stuff.
That's just gonna a reminder.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, another thing that you said that actually changed my behaviors.
As if I'm sitting there and I'm like, two hands
on the two hands on the shotgun and I know
a bird's gonna commit, I'll put it on fire, right,
And in your safety talk you said you're gone, goes
on fire when you're up.

Speaker 6 (12:24):
When it clears the blind. It was pointing out, and
so I kept being same thing. I can't do that
because I get yelled.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
I clicked and clicked. I was like I clicked and
I'm like, oh ship, and I clicked it back.

Speaker 6 (12:40):
That well, in that moment, right, it's like that final moment,
like everybody's dead quiet, everybody's holding still. Your senses are heightened,
and sure as hell, you'll sit there and you'll hear click.
You just clicked off safe and I'm like, so I
click it.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Bag loud counting. Yeah, so three clicks and you're out
of the fields. Yeah, Well with that, do you do
you kick? Like, have you ever had an instance where
you had to like stop a hunt because someone's not
falling the rules? We've had to reprimand before for sure,
what does that like look like for you guys?

Speaker 6 (13:13):
Usually just when you see it happening, like the second happens,
you know, and try not to be an ass about it,
but like, hey, man, like matter of fact, if we're
going to keep hunting. I was serious about what we
talked about, right, Like, I'm not the fun police, but
we do all want to get out of here alive
and say, like, this is supposed to be the most
fun thing ever, so let's keep it that way. But
there has been times when we've had to stop and

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remind people and you just see things right again. And
and honestly, it's usually the people that waterfowl hunt a lot.
It's not actually the newbies or the people that don't
do it often. It's it's usually, this is my point,
it's usually the guy who's hunting day in and day out,
and you just get complacent.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
I mean, I can do it.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
We can all.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, yeah, we were on a hunt. There's a guy
that we know who is very you know, accomplished and
does it a lot. And you know, Seth had to
say twice nothing personal against the guy, but just be
like Beryl, you know.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Oh my gosh, that's my biggest it was at.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Our heads multiple times.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
I unload on my kids about it, and I can
never always try to weigh, uh, like how much to
freak out on them. We don't want to turn them
totally off, but you're trying to scare the daylights out
of them. It's fine balances someone. If anyone's figured that out,
send me an email.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
I personally know two people who got killed duck hunting. Seriously, yes, personally, no,
two people my my father's cousin and then a kid
that my brothers went to high school with. And it's like,

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it's it is bad. And both of them happened in
a very similar way. They were in a boat and
one guy was sitting down. They were long story short,
they were taking turn shooting, so not everyone was supposed
to He's supposed to be shooting because in one instance,
one kid had a hurt leg, so when it was

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his time to shoot, everyone would stay seating because he
couldn't stand, so it was only him shooting. Well, he
thought it was his turn. The other guy stood up.
He shouldn't be swinging that way anyways, but swung his
gun right into the face.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Of Can we move on?

Speaker 2 (15:38):
But but I just want to say that. I just
want to say that because it's a reality and I'm
personally connected with two people, and I don't think this
gets talked about. Actually enough is gun safety, and it
happens all the time.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
This is why we harp on it. Another another Brady
Davis rules. He don't let dogs in the A frame
to tie.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Too tight and they just knock over crap.

Speaker 6 (16:02):
Too tight, knock over guns. Yeah, you know, their tails
are always waggon, you know. And I it makes me
so paranoid when I see people with a dog in
an A frame and they'll always tell you like, well,
my dog's good.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
He don't he don't freak out. He does everyone everybody's
got a good dog always watches where his tail.

Speaker 8 (16:20):
Man.

Speaker 6 (16:20):
So we we have a hard and fast rule no
dogs in the A frame ever, and they're always in
a dog hide by themselves.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
And I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (16:28):
Like when guys like Max comes and hunts with us
and brings his dog, which is phenomenal dog, they're just
totally cool with it. Like I tell him when you're coming, like,
bring a dog blind. Even if we have a big
A frame and there's only four of us hunting and
there's tons of room.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Well it's not for just the hunter safety, it's for
the dog safety too.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do. We do a series uh
meat eaters camp fire Stories, which these audio originals and
it's people telling the you know, so far the two
we've done have been and close calls, so like, shit,
that almost happened, real bad. And one of the guy
tells a story about getting shot by his dog. Yeah,

(17:09):
it happens. I mean you read about it, so you know,
it's crazy about some full circle stuff on that. We
one time had we had an emergency room doctor on
Adam Alan or Adam I screwed it up every time.
Alan Lazara came on and he's actually published about tree

(17:31):
stand incidents. But so he's an emergency room doctor and
a hunter and he came on and just implored people
to learn how to apply tourniquets and carry tourniquets. This dude,
he's Something's dad. He gets shot by his own dog
and had heard that podcast and did the what the

(18:00):
guy was talking about and it saved him. Yeah, and
like credits have and like listen to that doctor explained
that on the episode.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
That's bad to the bone. Because how tight you put
that thing? Oh? Yeah, I mean you tight tight? Uh? Okay,
cid you give me your impressions of the hunt. They
were gonna pull that tongue out, the.

Speaker 5 (18:20):
Impressions of the hunt ducks tongue. Well, we should go
ahead and start doing that. But I think that it
was a great hunt. I went to Canada and I
shot zero birds go down in Canada.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, that's hard to do.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
How'd that?

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:32):
I want to know the same thing.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
How'd that go?

Speaker 3 (18:34):
When was it?

Speaker 1 (18:34):
How many days did you hunt? Uh?

Speaker 5 (18:37):
Three? Give me okay, I lied, Okay, we saw zero ducks.
The first day we shot some specs, which was actually
pretty cool because of Illinois, they're super smart. But they
were tornadoing down. WI shot I think like thirty birds,
snowgies and specs. The first day wasn't that bad, but
that was between like twelve people, and then we didn't

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shoot anything in the rest.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Of the trip.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
We had two more hunt days.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
Yeah, we shot the evening because I think we were
trying to shoot ducks that in the evening didn't anything.
In the next two days we didn't shoot anything, which
I get it, like that's hunting, it's not always going
to go that way. We did kill a mule deer,
so I wasn't that upset, but uh yeah, the weather
did get really warm and the wind. I don't know,
I don't know. We just didn't kill them. I don't.

(19:23):
I don't want to hate on anybody or anything because
it is how it goes typically.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
But but you're a little bit hating on them.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
I'm just a little salty. It just sucks my first
time up in Canada.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
You're not hating on them, you're hating on that.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
You didn't get ducks, yes, that big cold front that
just came through or no.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
So it was okay. So it was mid October we left.
I hunted I think like the fifteenth around there. So
they had a cold front come through and they were
shooting hundreds of ducks. It was awesome, but I was
mule deer hunting, so I was focusing over there. I
came back, weather warmed up, cold front's gone, and there
was like no ducks flying.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
We.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
Like I said, the first day, we shot some specs
and some snow geese. So it was a horrible But
it wasn't like a lights out Canada trip which everybody
goes to Canada to do like, I've never been up there.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
You were a victim of the old You should have
been here yesterday.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Yeah I actually was, yes, yes, and it sucked. Yeah,
it hurt, but it is what it is. I'm just
gonna have to go back up there.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
When things go real good, I'll tell people you were
here yesterday. Yeah, that's how good today was. Yeah. This
is like one of those days that if it was tomorrow,
we'd be talking about it. Yeah, but you were here, yeah, today,
you were here yesterday today.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Yeah. Today it was a good day though. So that's why.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Tomorrow, if it sucked, you would refer back to today. Yes,
and so you should have been here yesterday.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
Absolutely, it's great. Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
We recently had a guest on uh, Crian, do you
mind teeing us up from duck Like but it just
come come tee it up, cran, Okay, here.

Speaker 9 (20:57):
You go teeing up. We recently had Phil Loveretzky on
from the University of Texas at El Paso and his
lab is teamed up with Ducks Unlimited for a project
called Ducks Duck Dna. You can visit that at duck
dna dot.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Com and you can listen to the whole damn.

Speaker 9 (21:17):
And you can also listen to our entire podcast or
watch it on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
What do we call that one? Our wild ducks really wild? Yeah, exactly,
so our wild duct really wild. He came in to
talk about the way that you have game farm mallards
and the way game farm mallards are breeding their weakness
and habits into wild mallards in the United States exactly.

Speaker 9 (21:43):
And one way to help contribute data to their growing
research is by participating yourself as a citizen scientist. So
we've got a bunch of test tube vials with an

(22:03):
agent in them and a reagent I actually don't know
the right word screwing that up, Yeah, sauce. And the
instruction is to cut the mallard tongue out or part
of it out. And we've got kind of this little
box of tubes for meat eater colleague carvested ducks. So, uh,

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Seth is gonna with his lab code on do a
little demonstration as we increase the reach of meat eater
laboratories as well.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
You know, ladies, gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Crinchnyder very well, all right, Science time and Karin Karin Morris.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Now Seth has If you're not watching on video, Seth
has Karin's lab code on. So I don't think he's
got his own sweet labte that says Karin. Yeah, get
to borrow. Not that cool yet? You ready, Yeah, let's
do it. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you what's happening.
Seth is holding the Seth is prying the duck's mouth open,
and he's revealing its tongue, which is a Chinese delicacy.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yep, save your tongues if you have time.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Have you cooked them up yet?

Speaker 5 (23:15):
Crinn?

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Yeah, Seth, I would say quarter quarter of an inch.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Right there, So just a quartern in quarter of an
inch from the top.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Get this joke. It's on the tip of his tongue
right there at the little indent. Yeah, you get it.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
They kind of naturally have a spot that shows you
where to cut.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Really, it's like God wanted to just send the tip
of his tongue in.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
There.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
He goes, Oh that noise? Was it up? Sharp Knight?

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Getting number one?

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Seth has cut the tip of its tongue on the number.
Is it probably marring Phill's special studio table? Oh yeah, Brady?
Did he cut into the table.

Speaker 6 (23:59):
I don't think he cut into the table, but I
use the table as it's a cutting makes a fine cutting.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Boarder marring Fill's special table.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Can I touch this with my hands or is that
gonna mess anything up?

Speaker 4 (24:11):
I think you're fine with you.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
I don't know. They might have.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Goodness all right, and there it is specimen number one.
There's number one.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Yeah, okay, now you got to fill out your sheet.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
I don't have anything to write.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
We can do that later.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
So yeah, we just that's all it takes. We just
participated in citizen science. So now this will get submitted
with a lat lawn court will get submitted with corn.
And it's one of the kind of what other kind
of biometric detail they want off that they they don't
need to ask a lot, they can just figure it
out themselves, right. They want to know male female.

Speaker 7 (24:54):
Yeah, they want species, sex, location, latitude, long longitude, date, comments,
got it?

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Probably ought to put this into fridge, right.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
And then they will be able to take that mallard
and so far what that should based on the conversation
we have with them, that should come back wild mallard, purebread.
That's your remembrance. Yeah, that that duck should come back purebread.
But they're watching the very slow westward creep of pen

(25:26):
Raise mallard. So mallards from pen Rais mallards originating from Europe,
brought in as game farm birds, breeding into wild mallards
and perhaps creating some troubled behaviors, not following migratory patterns well,

(25:49):
poor nesting success, poor site selection, lower ability to navigate,
foul weather, not that foul. Oh can I get you
a little feedback, Brady, I would love to. Naming your
dog Lead creates a lot of confusion that good story

(26:12):
because he's like, Lead, No, what now, who's cheoting Lead?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Lead?

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Like is it what happened? Like if there's multiple times,
I'm like he's talking about his dog.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
He was doing the safety protocol and he said Lead.
I'm like, well you should probably keep your tone down here.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Lead, I mean named my next dog. Take him, Brady,
what's the punchline? Well, we named him lead because it's
the only lead we can legally use in the field.
There it is.

Speaker 6 (26:36):
And I love single syllable names for a dog, So
Lead we can use lead because he's good in the field.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
So yeah, yeah, he did great today. It was a
good day. Saved us a lot of walking great dog. No,
he does, and he like he has he brings a
lot of gusto. Yeah, he he. I would say he
assaults the geese. Not not in a bad way. It
doesn't like mold. Yeah, but but if it's if it's
running away, he's on it. He's like he goes after

(27:04):
that football player.

Speaker 6 (27:05):
He had one today. I mean it was like a
thousand yards. It was a sailor and then he ran
way out to it. Right when he got to it,
had joker got up and flew like another three hundred
yards and went back down and freaking all the way there,
came back.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
He was he was catching his breath on this thing. Yeah, yeah,
that was awesome. That Uh listener listener question here.

Speaker 9 (27:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
The topic is fuzzy waterfowl regulations. This is something we've
discussed a great bit, but we'll discuss it right now again.
This this fella says there's a great area. This is
the This is a listener email. There's a great area
and waterfowl hunting regulations. I have to edit this is it?

(27:49):
This is verbatim.

Speaker 9 (27:50):
Crinn I had to edit a little bit.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Okay, apologies to the listener. There's there's a gray area
and waterfowl hunting regulations, which is a rule I'm trying
to edit it on the fly, which is a rule
that's broken in ninety nine percent of grip and grin
waterfowl picks. There's also a discrepancy in party shooting. Okay,

(28:17):
this is like answering your question, but you don't know
what the question not his fault. What are you talking about?
Is this? I believe Krin is this correct? He's talking
about how you're supposed to have your own ducks separate. Okay,
so when you're hunting ducks, you're supposed to keep track
of who knows who got what, because you're not supposed

(28:38):
to party hunt. Meaning if three guys are in a
blind and you're each allowed five ducks, let's say and
one guy's got the hot gun, Theoretically that guy is
not supposed to shoot fifteen ducks. And then he's like, hey,
I got everybody's limit, Like every hunter's supposed to get
their own stuff. This guy brings up, well, okay, but

(28:59):
when you take a duck grippingrin, you lay your ducks out.
The ducks aren't separate, and when you're shooting and a
duck comes in and three people stand up and by
back who's duck? So he says, that's the gray area.
And I think you're correct. I think that's why you
don't see. I think there's like laws that are on

(29:22):
the book. But in all of the time that I've
been alive, I've never met someone who had a warden
come in and had to be that he wants to
understand out of three shooters who shot the duck. People
that get in trouble for this are it's like you
get in trouble for this later on your way home.
There's confusion. I never have heard of or seen of

(29:44):
anyone jump out and be like, all right, boys, I
got you cause I feel like more than one of
you hit that duck, But now what are you gonna do?
I think it's like what we'd normally do in the situations.
We'd look and be like, felt like Jimmy's ducks seemed
like he was aiming right.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Someone's just got to claim that ducky he claim the dock.

Speaker 7 (30:07):
Yeah, and that goes against or goes towards their limit.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, And so this isn't negating, it's not negating. The
listeners thinking but it is fuzzy, and I think the
way you cope with the fuzziness is you kind of
look at over the course of time, where do you
see people get in fractions. They get in fractions about
shipping ducks, transporting ducks after the hunt. I've just never
heard of somebody getting in trouble over like a like

(30:34):
a like a dispute like that, meaning a bunch of
people shoot someone claims the duck. I mean, of course
there's the impossible way to do it. And I've never
heard that it's illegal for two people. It's not like
illegal for two people to shoot at one duck.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
No, No, I agree.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
I think somebody's got to claim it.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
To Max's point, the other thing we do is if
we have a lot of people in the blind and
we're like really getting them, we will lay the birds
out behind the blind in separate piles. So it's like, okay, Brady,
Steve Sidney, you know, Dane, whatever.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
One there.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
I think the biggest thing is as soon as we're
done in the field and we're about to go and
and this boggles my mind that people don't do this,
but we tag them.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, yeah, you this morning did like what you're supposed
to do.

Speaker 6 (31:18):
Yeah, I mean it's a federal law that you have
to tag birds for transport, and so we tag them
and it's got the hunter's name, you know, the county
that was killed, the species, the number, the signature, everything
on that tag. That one is a fascinating rule because
so many times people have been waterfowl hunting with us,
and I'm sure Max's experiences and you're like, all right,
we're going to tag birds, and people look at you

(31:40):
like you're speaking Japanese man, like what are you talking about.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, like, we got to tag them. I tag them
if I'm if I clean them and leave like a
wing attacked and I'm flying somewhere and I'm flying them home,
I would tag them. But I would I never in
my life tagged bird to drive ten twenty miles down
the road.

Speaker 7 (31:57):
Yeah, as long as they're with you, you're fine, okay.
But yeah, to Brady's point, for like any kind of transportation,
if like you leave your birds with someone else, they
got to be tagged for sure.

Speaker 6 (32:09):
So the way the rule is written is I think
it's actually like if you're going from the field to
your abode, then you're you're good but like today we
went from the field to launch to the office here
for the podcast and then home. And you start doing that,
then they need to be tagged.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah, now you're in a building that's not your home
and there's birds in your truck that are not completely yep,
you're not you're not with them right because they're out
in the parking lot right. So and it takes two
seconds to tag the birds.

Speaker 6 (32:38):
Like, it's just a simple rule to keep, and you
just make sure you're always above board all the time.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
You know, another another rule that you always hear about
being a rule, and you don't hear everybody get in
trouble with the rule is, uh, you know, you're not
supposed to have like eagle feathers, hawk feathers unless you're
like a Native American or something. We had a word
none and he said he's written two citations that And
he said one time he is at a red light

(33:05):
and there's a guy next to him that his his
rear view mirror is draped in rafter talents.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Oh my goodness, pulls him over.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Another time he's it is leaving his grocery store pushing
a shopping cart and looks in the back of the
truck and there's a dead owl in the back. So
he waits to talk to the guy and he said
it was funny. Is both people their immediate thing was
to tell me their Native American? Oh my god, neither

(33:38):
neither was the very Scandinavian that was like, that's like
the little thing everybody has in her head. Is I
think it's okay? I like you're Native American? Right, It's
like I'm Native American. Ah, here's not an interesting thing.
Now sitting you feel free to weigh in on any
of the stuff you want. Is there anything you'd like
to add right now?

Speaker 5 (33:58):
No, I've actually didn't know about the feather.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
So is your mirror drave you're gonna want to get.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
What I'm saying is like, does that mean.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
It means that you're not allowed to have that? That
what I'm saying If I.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
Find it on in the cornfield and I see a feather.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yes, like if you took that feather, and like if
you took that feather and put it in your backpack again,
it's one of those rules that it's a rule, but
you just don't meet. There's many more people that have
picked up a egle feather than there are that got
in trouble for picking up ego feathers. It was just
one of those interesting rules that you sort of have
the feeling in the back of your head that there's

(34:39):
something about how you're not supposed to do it.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
Well, I didn't know that I'm not picking up feather,
so nobody come for me.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
But this guy's point was he presented, he was presented
with two things that he couldn't ignore. In no situations
he would. He stepped in because the one was just
like like this, like sort of you know, chandelier of
rapid talons caught his eye and then everyone was like
the actual dead owl. But that's the thing. It's just like,

(35:07):
you know, maybe they dyed the damn feather and it
looks like ego feather.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, like if Oscar is out in the field and
he picks up an eagle feather, you know you're.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Not gonna lot, You're not gonna call him and stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
I don't think.

Speaker 6 (35:19):
So we were on a hunt last year and we
shot a goose and it sailed like the next field
over and the boys kind of all marked it, like
I think he went that direction, and so I got
out of the blind and I like went on a
hike with lead.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
I'm like, we're gonna go find this goose again his dog,
My dog led, Yeah, it's an effective method. Get that goose.
Let better not that hasn't been illgal since nineteen eighty six, right,
But we.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
Hiked our butts over there, and I'm like, all right,
he's in this direction. So with dogs, you can send
him on a blind retree, right, like they didn't see
it go down. You just send him, Yeah, send him
out and they'll work the area. And so I sent
him out and he's kind of working and I'm giving
him some some commands, and all of a sudden, he
gets real birdie. I'm like, yeah, got it. I mean
it just happened on thousands of times. Grabs a bird,
comes back and.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
I'm like, that's not a goose, that's not a goose.

Speaker 6 (36:06):
And brings back a dead hawk mmm, And I was like,
oh crap, Like what do I do? So I like
he he brought it to heel, sat handed it to
me like he's supposed to do, and I like took
it and instantly walked right back to where he had
picked it up from. And it's straight underneath the power line.
So all I can assume is it like this hot
got sat down the power line and I literally like

(36:28):
left it there and turned and we were like walking out,
and I'm like, crap, that's not good. And it's right
by a road, so I'm like, jeez, like I'm glad,
like I didn't want to look like my dog's retrieving hawks.
And right then this goose like pokes its head up
over the grass and I'm like that one go and
he gets out and went back to the blind.

Speaker 9 (36:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Upstairs in my office, I have a photo for my
dad's like I have a photo Pilford from my dead
father's old photos, and he has an old photo where
it's him and some other guys and they got cottontail
rabbits hanging from strings, and then on the end of
the the and the one of the strings they got
their owl, which is like, which was just like how

(37:05):
there was a matter of course, Yeah, it'd be like
if you were a small game hunter, get the hawks
and owls and conservation. Yeah it was, yeah, it was conservation.

(37:26):
Here's a good one. So Pat friend of the show
multiple times, been on the show many times, does some
articles for the meteater dot com. He wrote in and
he sent in a piece that he was recently working on.
Pat Dirkin being from Wisconsin and he pat covers wildlife politics. Uh,

(37:47):
Pat has one of my favorite quotes, which is big
Bucks make people stupid. Send us an article he's working
on about speaking of citizen science. So I thought, here
our resident citizen scientists today. He'll he'll perk right up
when you hear is this about a citizen science program
in Wisconsin where they monitor people's trail camps. So there

(38:07):
are about two thousand citizen scientists enrolled in Snapshot, Wisconsin.
And they give you some guidelines and all that. And
then so these two thousand trail cams are out there
and they're watching, like what are they getting? What are
they getting on the trail camps?

Speaker 2 (38:26):
You want to talk about stay with a lot of
trail cams.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
I am Wisconsin, That's what I am talking about.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
It's a lot.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's a lot there. Yeah, everywhere that there's no regulations
on trip.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
You gotta be careful where you pee.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
My did you see the picture I recently got with
my beaver cam that's ten to you.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Oh, it's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, it's like you think that i'd be getting like
an award from National Geographic It. I got a beaver
cam set up where it's on a little crossover between
a pond and the creek, and I just like to
watch the beavers go by. I so I want to
wake up with the more. Let's look on her and
see what all and everything and its brother comes through
here like everything it's not I don't want to say
where it is. It'd be illegal to hunt. It's in

(39:10):
an urban environment, urban environment, but it's just like this
little kind of like hotspot. And I keep a camera
there and I've gotten everything in its brother on this camera.
Mallard's walking by, mink, weasels, magpies, one of them poor wales.
What's the kind of whipper wool is around here? Whipple

(39:32):
wool looking bird keep wanting to send it to the
Cornell people.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Doesn't they call them like false wheals or something? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Uh, mice rats, rats, pack rats, mice otters, scrats, mountain lion, deer,
a pet dog, house cat. What about a mountainin dude fishing?
No mountains give me time? Anyways, I get on it.
The other day, an otter standing there with a really

(39:59):
nice trout holding it by the head. Wow. And you
can tell the chiut's still live. He's all like curled up.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
And thenett Otter sat there, like perfectly sat there and
devoured that fish in front of the camera.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
That was great.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
So in Wisconsin they have this Snapshot Wisconsin. And what
Dirkin was writing about was he was writing about this
is Dirkin like a I don't know if Dirkin uh
I feel like Dirkin Rather than being a wolf hater
or a wolf lover, which comprises ninety percent of Americans,
Dirt falls in that sweet spot of like sort of

(40:32):
wolf rational Dirt or Dirkin is wolf rational. But he
hears people saying in Wisconsin like you can't get a
picture of a deer anymore. You're like, I get more
pictures of wolves than I get a deer. And so
he looked at this year when they came out with
the new Snapshot Wisconsin statistics, and so for Snapshot Wisconsin

(40:56):
right now, they're running four hundred and deer photos to
every wolf photo. But there's some interesting stuff in here.
So Sawyer County, Wisconsin, Sawyer County, Wisconsin, fifty seven cameras.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Where's that is that up north.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
It's gotta be someone want to look. Yeah, So Sawyer County, Okay.
Not one northern county. So assuming not the southern ones,
they don't have wolves. Now one northern county had wolves
on every camera.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
That's up by Hayward Good Musky country up there.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Saint Croix County two percent of the cameras. So in
Saint Croix County, there's forty seven cameras. In Saint Crai County,
forty seven enrolled cameras. In Saint Croix County, two percent
of the enrolled cameras picked up pictures of wolves. Dunn

(41:59):
County thirty cameras, two picked up pictures of wolves. Then
you get to this. Douglas County, sixty one of cameras
set out will grab a picture of wolf.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Iron and Price Counties sixty three percent of cameras set
out capture wolf. Uh. Marinette County is the top for
deer photo prevalence, But there's some interesting stuff with bear prevalence.

(42:37):
Bear photos far outnumbered wolf photos in every county except Shiuano.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
What is it, Shano, No, it's not Shano.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
I'm looking at it right here.

Speaker 7 (42:47):
Shiuano tomato, tomato, shawano, shano.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
They're just like it did shortcutting it.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, I guess that's probably just how we say it.
We had a cabin over by mountain, which was not
too far are from there. We did see wolves seanel,
we saw deer.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Two thirty cameras. Check this one out. This is interesting.
So in that county, thirty cameras snapped five hundred and
twenty nine bear photos and five hundred and twenty two
wolf photos.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Saint Croix county forty seven cameras one wolf photo. Now
I'm not reading all of Durkin's article, but Dirk, I
guess the main point of Durkin's article is that there
aren't as many wolf photos as you'd think. But I
look and I'm like, that seems like a lot.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
This a lot, especially on that point near Duluth, right
by the border of Canada. That's a that's a lot.
That's not very good for your deer population.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Okay, ready, now again, things could get things could Here's
the final synopsis for all the counties in Wisconsin and
for sure, oh sorry sorry, this is only northern This
is the stats for only northern Withisconsin. And this is
the final totals, and keep in mind the same things
can get multi photographed many times. I had a camera
one time, that photograph, you know, the photograph the same

(44:10):
doing fun five hundred times, right, So bear that in mind.
Total cameras one one hundred nineteen enrolled cameras in northern
Wisconsin and snapshot Wisconsin deer photos twollion, eight hundred ninety
nine thousand, six hundred and a spectacles on forty eight.

(44:32):
So we'll round up. We're gonna round these by the fives.
We're gonna round that up to one thousand cameras, rounding
down from eleven nineteen to one thousand. Rounding up. These
are big roundings, rounding up to two million, nine hundred thousand,
thirty six thousand, three hundred and twenty four bears. So

(44:52):
those one thy, one hundred and nineteen cameras captured thirty
six thousand, three hundred and twenty four bear image. Those
one nineteen cameras captured a total of six thousand, eight
hundred and three wolf photos, bringing the final number crunch

(45:13):
to one wolf photographed for every four hundred and twenty
six deer. Now, if I was a statistician, I'd probably
shoot all kinds of holes and how that's being looked at.
But that's all that's being looked at.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I mean wolves are so much more nomadic too.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Just which they it means they could show up on
potentially more cameras or probably perhaps less because they're not
camped out in some little spot.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
I think perhaps less because they're not camped out. Let
me think of how many times you have a deer
camera out in Wisconsin and you get you get the
same deer coming through every night.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Yeah, same food bloods.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
One of my favorite wolf stats when beavers are dispersing
in May and in the northern Great Lakes I can't
remember it is ninety eight percent of wolf scats contain
beaver remains. And then by the end, like by the
late summer, when they're not dispersing anymore, it just drops
off precipitously to next to nothing.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah I read that.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, they hammer beavers when the beavers are dispersing, and
then they just forget about them go on to something else.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
So it was the point of the article saying that
the wolf problem isn't really a problem in Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Uh, let me tell you about I wanted to say
a couple things about darkin Okay. I recently got a
note from Durkin. I told a story recently about losing
a friend of mine, and I got a note from
Durkin about touching in with me about the story I

(46:47):
told about losing a friend of mine. I showed the
note to my wife, which my wife said, that is
one of the good ones, meaning Durkin. If everybody on
this planet behaved like Pat Durkin, there wouldn't be any problems.
I think what Pat's trying to say here is I
think Pat's trying to say that there aren't that many wolves.

(47:07):
Maybe is that you're He's like you people saying that
all you get is wolf photos. Let's look at the stats.
I think what.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
He's saying is it's not as bad as everybody thinks
it is, because you go up to those counties and
you talk to those people and immediately they're like wolves.
You know.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yeah, everyone jumps to blame it on wolves. Maybe the
bears are killing I.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Think has to do with logging up there in the
Nicolay National Forest and not having there's there's more and
more old growth and not as much like new brows
and things like that. For deer that at least in
the area where we were at. I mean, there are wolves.
There are wolves, and there are more wolves. And you think,

(47:53):
I mean, when they opened the season, you know, in Wisconsin,
to shoot wolves. It was staggering how quickly they got
to quote.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Which always makes me think there must be a lot
of wolves. But let me let me give it to
dir I'll give it now that we got into it
and we're questioning Dirkin's, uh, you know, journalistic integrity. Here's
the headline. Northwoods deer outnumber bears wolves in trail cam survey.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
That's the headline.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Dirkin goes on to say folks who scoring gray wolves
often claim they see more of them than white tailed
deer when poking around Wisconsin's Northwoods the past twenty years. Meanwhile,
trailcams are now as common as ravens and woodticks in
those forests, providing round the clock surveillance of bait pile's,
food plots and two track trails. All that photographic evidence

(48:43):
spawns countless claims and surplus exclamation points. And he quotes
someone quote, we seldom see deer on our trail cams anymore,
but we see plenty of wolves. Last fall before gun season,
I didn't find five sets of deer tracks in the
snow by falling, lots of wolf tracks, wolf tracks, and
some spots on our logging road look like Kyle paths.

(49:05):
That's why there's no deer left in northern Wisconsin. And
this individual that Pat's quoting has already used four exclamation
points and adds six on to the end of that passage,
means all of which were quoted by Pat. Then he
goes on to say this is Durkin as best I

(49:27):
could tell. Hold No Dirton goes on and say, hey,
every hundred throughout history wants more dear and deer sign
that includes me. While scouting my favorite sites in Ashland
County two weeks ago, I found no deer tracks or
buck signed in three days. And this is the former
editor of Deer and Deer Honey magazine. Pat's a deer. Well,

(49:48):
he's got thirty some shoulder mounts of white tail deer,
which is successive.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Something like that, successive something to shoot for.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
That's awesome. Pat likes deer so much that you know
he put stickers on the truck. Pat's put stickers of
famous deer on his truck. Oh, he loves really likes deer.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Is he like goes You're like there's auctions where they
sell like the antlers.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Probably, Yeah, he loves deer in the Edmunds.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Fitzgerald knows a lot about the Edmond fitz and knows
a lot about the Navy. Okay, he was in the Navy,
knows a lot about that. I've never had that happen
in the shittiness of the sign He's saying, I've never
had that happen in twenty years of hunting that part of.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
The Nicolay National Force.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Well, give me the first part chester.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Uh chikwam chika mcguan chikwamag chikwamagon chikuwama.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Gun chakuama gon Nicolay National Force. Isn't Nicola the fella
that showed up Green Bay, like cross Lake Michigan and
showed up with Green Bay and put on a Mandarin
robe like he thought he's in China. This dude for real, real,
This dude for real? I think Nicolay when he crossed
Lake Michigan, He's like ha, and he like had been

(51:01):
carrying like a China made robe of some sort and
put it on to go and like meet the people.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
He's like, Wow, the muskie fishing is good, and check.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Suspiciously like the other side of the lake Nikola nashed Forth.
Dirkin goes on. Then again I saw no wolf sign either,
which makes sense. Why would wolves waste their time and
energy hunting such lousy deer habitat, especially after a scientifically
documented quote very severe killer winter for white tails. Then

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there's a passage I'm not gonna read. Then I'm gonna
try to end this whole thing we're doing here by
getting to this to continue my quote of Pat Durkin.
But one man, and here's this isn't the important part.
But one man's observations. I'm pounding the table. But one
man's observations don't necessarily paint a picture. To learn what

(52:06):
my fellow hunters and other folks are documenting in Ashland County,
I looked up the snap Shot Wisconsin Data Dashboard Snapshot
Wisconsin's current five year data set. The numbers, however, make

(52:27):
you question some folks claims about wolves overrunning the north
Woods and then in Ashland County, for instance, thirty trail
camps in scientifically chosen sites took twenty three two and
ninety nine deer photos from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty two,
those same cameras took one hundred and seven wolf photos

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and seven hundred and thirteen bear photos. Now, this deal
about wolves and bears is something that really keep in
mind because when they did mortalities, like the after wolves
came into Idaho and wolves is like decimated elk populations
in the Idaho Panhandle. But you know what had always
been really hard on them is mountain lions. So more

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elk calves are killed by mountain lions in the Idaho Panhandle.
But that's always been that way. So whatever the hell
it was, is like like for every hundred calves that
hit the ground, twenty three, I don't know what the
number is, twenty twenty three, something like that, twenty three
or twenty, you're gonna killed my mountain lions. But it's
just always been that way. You have very stable mountain
lion populations over time. Everybody's used to it. Wolves come
in and they don't trump that number, but they add

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to that number. And that so it's like what when
a wolf calf, when an elk calf hits the ground,
what's probably gonna kill it? A mountain lion. But wolves
are the new players in town. And there's the mountain
lions have always been killing whatever the number was, thirteen twenty,
I can't remember. They've always been killing that. But now
you're adding on eight and that's the tipping point normalcy.

(54:01):
So people on the ground are like, man, there was
a bunch of elk and then wolves came, and now
the elk are really down. If you could somehow remove
it's almost like if you could remove mountain lions and
almost do more for elk. But the wolves just tipped
it so wildly out of balance that whatever equilibrium was
there get shot.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
And then what's the regulation in Idaho for wolves is
they're not they're delisted.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
So we like we like I did something. Wolves were
successfully delisted in the Northern Rockies. So they were successfully
delisted in Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana. And it's been very
whip saw in the northern Great Lakes seesaw what's the

(54:47):
term whipsaw? Back and forth, back and forth.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, yeah, you can like in Montana right now they're listed.
You can you can go and buy a wolf tank, like.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
You could be walking around with one in your pocket
right now. In fact, I am.

Speaker 7 (55:06):
You were right about the nick let guy showing up
in Green Bay with wearing a Chinese dress.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
What you think about that, Krin More, that's totally.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Now here's the thing, speaking of Kren, here's the thing
Krin has been hot on. Crin's hot on, like urban
urban rat hunting is the new flathead noodling?

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Do you agree, Sydney?

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Do you remember? Do you remember the way flathead noodling
just captured the collective imagination of American media. It was like,
there's always been some guys that noodle flatheads. Bercard Bilger
wrote the book Noodling for Flatheads, which is about Southern
the way Southern culture still exists in the US, and

(56:06):
exploration of Southern culture. And it became that every TV
host anyone on the planet over the next decade went
noodle to flathead Ryan, anyone, have you noodled flat Yeah? Okay,
I didn't, But I also never got a tattooed.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
I'm not gonna lie. It was so much fun, so fun.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
No, no, I'm not a down on it. I'm not
down on it. I'm just observing that it became a
media fascination.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
It was it was a trend it a trend.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
And right now it is a major trend and Krinn
is hot on it to go rat killing with dogs
and cities. And while noodling was supposed to be like
a city man's introduction into rural culture, this is a
rural introduction into urban culture, like you'd come from the

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sticks to go see how these city boys rat killer dogs.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Like Jack Terrier's probably right.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Is Crin is really itching to have one of these
rat hunters on the show.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
They're up in northern Montana, on the border of Canada,
because Jack, you might we're talking about to our front
Tie and Calgary. There's no rat population in Alberta. I
think because they just completely wiped them out. They got
them yep, with dogs maybe, but that's like in the
rit and it's on the border.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
This hasn't come up with me eat a trivia. But
my understanding is Anchorage, Alaska is the large something has
some superlative it's the largest, the world's largest port city
with no rats. And when a rat shows up, they
have a ship fit they do when a rat someone
if a boat comes into the rat it's like code red.

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So Krim, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna
get one of these people on or not.

Speaker 9 (58:00):
No, I just want to clarify, I'm not quite sure
I want to have one of these city folks. I
just find it, No, I just find it hilarious that
major mainstream UH news organizations and newspapers seem to have
a fascination with hunting through the lens of UH you know,

(58:23):
city residents hunting rats with their docs. In's right, they're
all it's like you can you can just google it
and their articles in like uh New York Magazine, Washington Post,
the New York.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Times sends them all to me, I have the.

Speaker 9 (58:43):
Washington posted a podcast about these rats, like it's just
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Text a lot, and I have to sort through all
her rat killing, all her rat the ones that interest me.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
You helped to like look up the facts. But when
we're in New Zealand, we're watching the television with the news, Okay,
tell them TV Russian TV news is on. They were
having a cat killing contest, like house cat geral cats.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yes, and they got the school kids rolled into it, yep.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
And it was a tournament and they had they had
to literally cancel the tournament because some people's house cats
were actually getting killed with collars.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Then covered it.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Yeah, well we covered we didn't cover that aspect of
We covered the aspect of it that everyone was fine
with it until they got the kids involved. And then
then people got like.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
There if I wasn't until they're like, where's a mister Peppers.
He was here today and he got out and he
got killed.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Well, you know what I'd say, I'd say was mister
Peppers maybe not in the.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
House, but mister Peppers got out the house.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
That's on him. Then it says that's on mister Pepper.

Speaker 7 (59:48):
It says the kid who killed the most cats between
mid April and the end of June won a total
of one hundred and fifty five dollars.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
What a time to be alive. That old fashion of
fun that was just springs right now the New Zealand
yesterday is today.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
If we had.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
That's nuts a Sydney earlier we were talking about I
was talking about we're talking about hunting as kids, and
you talk about growing up and like falling asleep. Oh yeah,
I under a blanket.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
And the blanket to the blind.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
So you got you got into it young.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Yeah, it was more like a like how you told
your kids. I don't care what you're doing. Cancer plants
are coming with me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Yeah, like better tell Johnny you can't make.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
Yeah, that was how it was. But Dad, it's cold,
it's too early. We'll bring your blanket. You can sleep
on the floor. So that's what I would do, just
like five years old, sleeping and he'd wake me up.
That's why I called my first turkey woke me up.
I shout a jake.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
He woke you up and let you know his time.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
Yep, he's like, you know, I'm like seven, I think,
and I shot him. Yeah, shouted jake. Did it was
midday snooze?

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Did you ever think it was? Was it close to backfire?

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
And what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
That's the whole argument people make. People say like, well,
I'm just easing my kids thin because I don't want to.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
Backfire, not in a blackfire.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
I mean I always saying, what, like was that was
that part of the calculus at all?

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
Like what do you for me?

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Uh no, no, it's not, it's not. I need to
I need to note it down. Smart ducks. I'm asking
a very confusing question.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Did your like, did you eating out that early?

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Did it either like come close to turning you off,
or did your dad worry about turning you off by
just being like we're going I don't care what you want.

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
No, because it made it like a natural thing, like
I will I. Since I was little, I had a
bone arrow, and so I always knew that that was
what we did. I had no idea. I mean for Easter.
We would go to Texas every year for my Easter
break and we would They would put out like the
Mexican Easter eggs where you smash them when the caffetti
comes out in the woods. So we would be hunting hogs.
We'd be walking around and there'd be Easter eggs. We'd

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collect them and put them in so awesome, it's so
funny serious, and then like Thanksgiving that's where we would go,
we'd go back to Texas. It's like I just that
was a normal for me. That's what we did. That
was our hobby. So it wasn't like turning off. I
think if you started later, like maybe when kids are
in high school or maybe like late middle school, when
they already had that social connection and they already kind

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of grew up with different hobbies or sports, that's when
it could maybe turn them off if you force it
too much, because they already kind of grew into something else.
But I just right from the get go, I was
hunting and fishing and that's all I knew. And then
I'd got into other sports. But in high school I
got a little bit more social, So it would have
turned me off if it was a little bit more pressured.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
But did you ever take a year long break?

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
I mean when I was in high school, I was
in softball and basketball, so slowed down, slowed down, and
I was like a little social butterfly, but I still hunted.
And then I got to college and then I was
like back on the grind.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Really, Yeah, where'd you go to college?

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
I went to Illinois Wesleyan University as a private school
in near Illinois state. What's it called Illinois Wesleyan.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
I've heard of, like Hillary Clinton go to Wesleyan.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
There's a lot of different Wesleyans. There's like an Iowa
An Indiana. I don't know. Probably they're like, yeah, I
don't know, they're all similar.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
And what kind of hunting did you do there?

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
So?

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
I was a nursing school there, and uh, I so
didn't have a lot of time, but I had a buddy.
It was my dad's friend that let me hunt his
property about fifteen minutes away, so I would be in
my scrubs and I would take him off of my
hunting clothes on really fast and get fifteen minutes and
climb up a tree and a deer hunt.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Did you finish the nursing deal up?

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
Yeah, I'm a nurse, really, but I never practiced as
a nurse. Just a waste of money. Yeah, I'm like, dang,
I got these student loans. I don't even use it
at least.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Oh yeah, they're going to cut everybody loose.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
That's not uncommon.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, but like a nurse, I could
have done something different. I mean, I can always fall
back on it. I'm very happy, but it sucked.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
You're still all the money? Yeah, I remember. It felt
pretty good. And I finally paid off my student loan.
And now when they talk about forgiving everybody, I'm like, dude,
a little late for that. I paid mine off. Yeah,
give everybody. I want my money back, Like, why should
I be penalized for having paid mine off?

Speaker 9 (01:04:16):
Then?

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Also everybody else gets to walk. It's totally unfair.

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
It's not gonna happen. I'm just gonna have to keep
crying and paying it off, like I don't even use this. Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
If you get years paid off, there, send me some
of that money. I paid my stuff, man, I paid
myself like an American old kind Yeah. Yeah, old style
pay their loans.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Well, how old are when you got your first deer?

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
I shot a button buck and I think I was
like eight or nine. My bow forget yeah, cross compound bow,
a vertical bow. Yeah, I have a picture of it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
What's the world come to that? I have to say?
Vertical boat compound? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
Yeah, I remember I was honey with an old serious Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
He recovered it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Yeah, I mean it was fifteen yard shot. I just
remember he died in like a little field right in
front of me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
I shot a button buck my first year with the
boat at twelve. So he got me beat.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
Oh there we go, no kid. Yeah. And this old
man that was Honey with, he's so nice and he
was so excited for me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Who was the old man?

Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
He's my grandpa's friend. I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
He just took me.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
I have to get us to supervision.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
They're like, you take her.

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
I I was so excited. He gave me a payday,
and I was like, oh, you know, I'm little only
I hate paydays. So I pretend to like drop it,
you know, and they're like, oh, I dropped it. And
he's like, oh, it's okay, I got another one. I'll
never forget that, never forget that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
So young though, man, that's young.

Speaker 5 (01:05:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Had you been shooting? Did you start shooting when you're
real little?

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
Yeah? We still have the little compounds.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
It's like like this big yeah, and now you probably
shoot it and you're like, how in the hell did
I kill a deer with that thing? That's that's the
way I look at that little town.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
I think I got lucky. It was a button buck.
I don't need too much in the button book.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Well you still got I hit it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:14):
I still got to hit it perfectly. Yeah, not perfect nowadays,
but huh. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
And that's like your passion today is whitetail hunt.

Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
Yeah. It's just kind of like what we were talking
in the blind. It's like when you're really good at something,
that's something that I'm confident about, like I know what
I'm doing. There's other things that I like doing, like
waterfowl hunting. I don't know everything. I'm okay with saying
like I don't know everything about waterfell honety. I like
to go with my friends, but like that stuff's my
bread and butter. So that's why I love it so much.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
And how much time do you put it into it
every year?

Speaker 5 (01:06:43):
I mean a lot. I one year I hunted ninety
days straight because my white tail I didn't kill until.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
January ninety days straight.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
That was when I just graduated college and I was
trying to like make video and get into this content
creation and I really wanted to kill a big white
ill and I did it finally like two days.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Started to lose your mind.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
Yeah, absolutely. I was just destroyed. I was the only
one in the family had who hadn't killed one, and
I was the one that hunted the most and had
it even fired an arrow. So it was pretty distraught,
but I got it done.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Were you trying to find a specific buck.

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
Yes, his name is mister Perfect. So a lot of
people who followed along with my Instagram and my socials
and everything, they knew who mister Perfect was. And I
got into fifteen yards of him and he was quartered
towards me, and uh, he just got spooked and ran
off and distraught. Never killed him?

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Oh you never got him? No, where is he now?

Speaker 5 (01:07:38):
Well my dad killed him the next year. But that's
okay because he killed him and I killed his book.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
So we just kind of flopped switch swop. Yeah, what
year was this going on?

Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
Then twenty twenty twenty got it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Yeah, and that buck died in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
Mister Percy, mister perfect died in twenty twenty one. He
was a nine year old deer.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Do you guys name all your deer?

Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
Are big ones? Yeah? This year, we don't have any
deer that we've named, So we're just kind of like whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Store, like, no one deserves getting talked about.

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
Yeah, well there's some, but yeah, not really. I mean
there's some big ones, but there's there's a home farm
of ours that we like are you know, my great
dad grew up my family grew up on and it's
really special to us, and we're really picky with what
we harvest off of the property. We're not going to
like over abundance harvest the deer. Like if there's a
nice four and a half year old five year old,

(01:08:28):
we'll probably leave him, you know. But the big bucks
we killed last year were eight and nine, so they
were old deer that we were after for multiply multiple years.
They kept tricking us, so that's yeah, that's when we
we named them. And then we killed our two big
ones last year, and then this year is just kind
of up and comers. We call it the what did I?

(01:08:48):
What did we say? My dad and I were hunting.
We called it one hundred acres and there's just like
that's where all the little spikes live. There's like twenty
spikes running around. They're like, well, we just need to
go to a different property. We're gonna let this one
grow for a couple of years.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
At that age, they walk around looking up, don't they.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
Yeah, there's they're just walking around. They're gonna stand five
yards from me and just.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Like, well, I'm saying that eight or nine years old.

Speaker 5 (01:09:08):
Oh oh yeah, like that knows the look.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
He knows to check the trees before he goes.

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
Absolutely. I was hunting this aercup we called six pack,
and he was perfect. He was a pretty twelve pointer. Okay,
he was like seven years old. This dough is in
the middle of the rut. She came right under my
stand five yards I'm like, holy shit, he's coming. He came,
stopped fifteen yards and was just looking up and then
just turned around and walked away and never got a

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shot at him. A lady, I killed him, but I
killed him next year in the rut. So I was like,
I love.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Who gets to have the n who gets dames come natural?

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
My dad names him. I'm like, all right, let's roll
with it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Got you?

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Do you get a lot of deers showing up in
the rut that you don't see?

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
Yes, that's why we love the road. We have a
couple pieces that we hunt that you know, but but
up there some neighbors or some reserves, and that's when
it's just like game on, like this time of the year.
That's my favorite place is to hunt suks you just
don't know. And I love places where there's no trail cameras.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Yeah, because.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
Yeah, I think trail cameras honestly ruin it for you.
They think they ruin it like you. You're constantly looking
at him. I mean I'm constantly looking at him. I'm like,
were they popping up? So when it's an area where
I can hang a new stand or getting a climber
and I'm like, I have no idea what's been coming
in here. I can look at the tracks, look at
the sign, and then who knows what's coming coming to me?

(01:10:33):
You know?

Speaker 7 (01:10:33):
I feel like they prevent you from going hunting too,
because if you don't have anything on your trail camera,
I'm you gonna go hunting and sit in that stand.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Yeah, but you can miss, you can miss some like
I gotta I almost gotta like. I thought of this
the other day. I was on my and drive my
jet boat down the river, and I was like, there's
nothing sounds better than your own jet boat, and nothing
sounds worse than someone else's jet boat. I feel like
trail cameras nothing better than your own trail camera, nothing

(01:11:03):
worse than you'd like, you don't be sweet if I
was the only guy that knew about these, because I like,
I love setting them out and looking at them. The
only time I wound up with a problem with them
is if you're in one of the states where and
use cellular and you're hunting and you got one, and
you're hunt with one of those people that's just constantly

(01:11:24):
telling you what's going on, Like, look at what happened
while you were right, yes, the minute you you know,
if you'd have gone left and not right, look what
after a while? Just that's great. You can't tell me
anymore because it's it's detracting from my experience, you know.
And it's like it'd be like when we had babies.

(01:11:47):
I'd always want to know what they were going to be, right,
like boy, girl, whatever, because they know and I didn't
want to. I don't like anything like why would the
doctor know? But I don't know. So people would want
to be superb. My wife like we should be surprised,
But I can't be surprised because that guy knows. Anyways. Now,
if he didn't know that I didn't know, that'd be fine.
But if he knows, I need to know. Yeah, And
so the whole trail camp thing, even when you tell

(01:12:09):
someone to stop telling you, you still know they know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
And then you're like, okay, fine, just tell me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Yeah. Yeah, that's the only problem I have with them.

Speaker 5 (01:12:16):
I mean it's nice. It's just like you talk about
trapping and putting them out. It's kind of fun to
see what's coming by and what you get trapped.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Well, that's just that's just wildlife observation.

Speaker 5 (01:12:25):
Well, I enjoy that. Yeah, and then when it comes to, oh,
where's all my big bucks, it's just it does ruin
it a little bit. Nothing shows up, be like, well,
I'm not going to go there. Maybe mmmm, I don't know.
I love it, I love hate relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
I just got back from Wisconsin on my parents' property
and we don't have any giants walking around this year,
and it we have some nice ones, but it definitely
was like, like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Man like because you were a trail cam and he
never got them right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Yeah, I mean we we were trail cam and deer
that that like shooters, but usually there's like on camera
we have one or two giants, and we did not
have that this year. So I wasn't like as excited
when I got out there sit in the tree stand. Yeah,
but the thing that kind of kept me going is like,

(01:13:14):
you never know, it's the rut and deer can show up.
But if we didn't have those trail cameras, I probably
would have hunted a little bit harder.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Well, let's revisit something. It wasn't in this in our
last studio, so I can't say it happened right in
this room. But remember we had dustin huff on. Yeah,
who killed the huffbuck. So biggest white tail killed in
the in the US, right, is the second biggest in
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
It's big.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Biggest biggest white tail typical, right, biggest typical, the biggest
typical white tail in the lower in the US. He
never got a picture.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Of it, but he had cameras out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
But other guys got pictures of it but didn't tell him.
So once he killed it, he realized every time dicking
Harry around town had a picture of it but weren't
telling anybody. He's like, eh, and he didn't know about it. Yeah,
that's awesome. So it's like, you know what I mean.
So you could be like, wow, there's no point in

(01:14:17):
going out, but dude.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I still went out. Yeah, And
I was like, there is a chance to have something
like that happen in the area we're at, for sure.
But when you don't have that deer showing up like
we have in the past, like big, it's just you're
not quite as.

Speaker 5 (01:14:38):
Honestly, this year though I think not this is just
this year, but every year, just during their run, Like
we were talking, it's the best time because whenever I
just see a bigger deer moving. I'm like, the big
boys are moving as time. And that's when I took
Jack out with me where we didn't have the new
trail cameras. I had a neighbor call me and say,
I've seen a drop time buck in one of those fields.
I'm like, all right, we're just gonna go over there

(01:15:00):
and rattle. When we had two giants come in, like
game on, but that's the best time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
There's no Why why didn't you shoot those? Because they
weren't big enough.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
You didn't get No, I didn't get a chance. The
big one came in. Uh, the wind was swirling. He
was in front of a bunch of tall corn stocks,
and I was shooting mechanical, so I didn't want to
shoot through the corn obviously, because you know, one nick
it's going the opposite direction. But he was a five
on one side, big two on the other. He was funky,
but he was very heavy, and he was probably like
a five and a half year old deer maybe six.

(01:15:30):
Got my wind smart he circled you did. Yeah. I
was so upset because he was thirty yards but he
was just in front of that corn and I wasn't
about to chance and on a mechanical broadhead and try
to wound him.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
So have you had a fix?

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
You did?

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Just shot right through that corn.

Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
If I had a better opening, I didn't want to.
You know, with a mechanical you can have like a
little tiny sliver of something and just yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
I don't want to be crashed. But when you when
you say, like, like, are you like a numbers person,
Uh like score numbers.

Speaker 5 (01:16:00):
No, we don't score a dear. Okay, I've never scored
any my dear. Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
So it just it feels like a big one.

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
Yeah, I think it's a big it's a big dear.
I'm like, mass, he looks like that big body, doesn't
look young, got it? I'm shooting him.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Arrol's fine, Yeah, you're not like, he looks like a
one seventy. I'm going to hold out for a one
seventy five. No, that that'd be pretty big for white tails.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty I mean we're in in the Midwest,
is nice. So we get some big bucks, but don't
happy with one fifty one sixty. I got two tags,
so got it?

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Never put a tape to one.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
I don't even know how.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
I'm not kidding I have a little pamphlet that shows
you how we scored my boys antelope there today his
prong horn. But I I go years without scoring something.
But whatever, a friend of mine wants to score something,
I get real happy. I just don't personally ever score anything.
But antelop are super easy to score.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
Yeah, I could.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
See Jimmy getting way into that score.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Way into it. Wait, Jimmy this year, No, but he
wanted to.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
At that age. I was telling these guys earlier day.
At that age, they're real into like him and all
the kids at school that hunt. They're real into like
who got what with what caliber rifle? Yeah, so it'd
be like I'd love that. Though Cayden got a buck

(01:17:26):
with a six five creed where I don't know, I
don't know. It's just like the whole point, the whole
point is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
What Jimmy got one within mag and it didn't have
a muscle break.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Yeah, they're all like gun riders performed flawlessly. I remember
a dude bragging to me one time. It was a
dude in Canada bragging to me that his kid killed
an elk with the two forty three. I was like, Wow,
that's something. And later I met the kid was talking
to He shot it nine times. This was the dad
left eye.

Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
Oh no. The kids they're just like yes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
He's like, I try to die by the time I
was old. Man just didn't tell me that. That's the
thing I have too in my kids. He's like, what
a blank kill a blank? Always? Could you kill a
bear of the twenty two? Kill a bear of the
butter knife? May have you got enough time? It's so yes,
but no, now, uh you do a little duck hunting

(01:18:45):
mm hmm. But opportunistically we share. We're opportunistic duck hunters.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
We are. I think we're similar with a variety that
we harvest a variety of things.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Some have opportunistically and some of it. You put it
like this. He's like, it's just not where I spend
the energy. Yeah, you'll go, but it's not where you put.

Speaker 5 (01:19:03):
The energy exactly. It's more of just I have a
little bit of free time, or I killed my white
tail and I can kind of hang out a little bit.
My grandpa wants to go, Grandpa and I will go out.
Or if it's snowing, it's like ten degrees right, ten
mile an hour winds, snow's coming in. I'm gonna go
duck hunting with my.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
And you go hunt what kind of stuff?

Speaker 5 (01:19:27):
And what kind of stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Yeah, like what kind of you guys field hunting?

Speaker 5 (01:19:31):
You guys hunting or flooded timber or a flooded corn.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Corn?

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
So it can be pretty good.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
Yeah, it can be pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Now you a squirrel hunter? Yes, you squirrel hunting?

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
I've taken Jack, who's sitting behind me, squirrel hunting like
three times already this year.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Yeah. You guys just creep through the hardwoods. Or what
do you guys do when you're.

Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
Creep through the hard woods? Listen firm jumping tree to
tree and shooting with my twenty two or my air gun.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
That's the noise of them jumping tree to tree.

Speaker 5 (01:19:58):
They're jumping and they're barked in and they're cutting redneck
that noise.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Like, I got to I han't done it in a while,
but I got to spend spend h five nights and
four mornings sitting in a tree stand recently hunting and oaks,
you know, deer feeding on acorns and acorns, acorns and
per simmons. And I kind of forgot about that. You
know that noise Like when I was a kid, us

(01:20:29):
people take two quarters. Oh well no, and rub them
and it's supposed to be like a like but the squirrel. Yeah,
but just you can, like sitting in that tree stand,
you can hear them chewing a nut. Yeah, you hear them,
not only just them calling. You're like, like, you hear
like off in the woods, Like what is that? You

(01:20:51):
realize it's a squirrel like opening a pecan. Yeah, you
hear his teeth. It's so quiet.

Speaker 5 (01:20:58):
Are they're just so you know, they're five fired up
because there's a deer running underneath them, just barking their
heads off.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
I'm like, perfect, Yeah, it's Uh. The number of squirrels
you see deer hunting gives you a lesson about how
you ought to hunt squirrels. Yeah, if you really want
to hunt squirrels, you'd go and be as serious as
a deer hunter.

Speaker 5 (01:21:18):
One thing that I do want to try. I don't
know if you've ever done this or anybody else has,
but with dogs, we've a bunch of that. I've never
done that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
I don't have. I don't when I say I've done
a bunch of that, I've been the guy that gets
to tag along shooting all the squirrels.

Speaker 5 (01:21:31):
Is it fun?

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Oh, it's the best thing in the world.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
Is it cool how the dog works? Yes, say, this
tree and like a like a raccoon or something, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
The best thing in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
They don't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
It's different than a raccoon because you normally you got
usually got to look for them. Yeah, but they hear them,
they smell them, they see them, whatever, and they're on
and they're on that tree. They're attacking the tree. And
then sometimes you got to go in and uh. Here's

(01:22:00):
my contribution to this discipline. I've talked two of these
people into the importance of carrying binoculars because then you
got to scrutinize the tree to find it laying up there. Yeah,
my friends will scrutinize it with their twenty two scope,
but I would scrutinize it with binoculars and do better.

Speaker 5 (01:22:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
But sometimes it's like, oh shit, there's a squirrel. But
sometimes you look and look and look and look and
look and look and look and determined that it went
into a hole. And then you yell in a hole,
let's go, you know ho. That's that's the Southerner yelling
in the hole. It's so much fun.

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
All right, I'm gonna try it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Oh, it's the It's like on a good day, sess
been out. Yeah, it's the greatest thing. Clay Newcomb's got
squirrel dogs, and my buddy Kevin Murphy has squirrel dogs
and we'll go out with those squirrel dogs. And I
even had him bring his squirrel dogs up to where
I grew up, because where I grew up, people didn't
hunt them with dogs. And I thought that it would
be the greatest thing in the world because of the score.

(01:23:00):
Wouldn't be whatever, They wouldn't have evolved with that level
of pressure over the last one hundred years. Whatever made
no difference.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
And then everybody got poison ivy on the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Squirrels because those sons of bitches were lining their nests
with poison. You know when you know when it's glued,
when poison ivy where it sticks to the tree and
it makes that hairy that like hairy coating. They're harvesting
that to line nests. We're hunting late season, they're harvesting

(01:23:31):
that to line nests. And the first thing that happened
someone took a picture of a squirrel and they're holding
you know, like picture that you're laying a squirrel in
your arm and you're holding the squirrel and you got
like his head coming up your the inside of your wrist,
like yeah, And they did this for like a picture
in a while. Lad was that zucker while there's like
a squirrel outline like a crime scene. Oh it got bad.

(01:23:56):
I mean I wound up going down and getting I
want it going on and getting on to deteroid treatment.
It's not bad.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
Everyone got it bad.

Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
I don't want to do that part, but definitely with
the dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
And then you're looking at pictures and it looks like
your base you like stuff and squirrels down your pants
and stuff like once you knew what was going on,
you look at the pictures. She's like, ooh, el was dumb.
That was dumb. The time I had the one around
my neck, that was dumb. Don't really think about that
little detail. No, it's fun. But the way we mostly
hunt when we were young and so like in Michigan,

(01:24:30):
September fifteenth was the opening day, and when I was
a kid, it would end December thirty first and September
fifteenth would I'd be allowed to skip half a day
of school. I could skip a full day October one,
which is archery opener. I could skip a full day
November one, which is water trapping opener. I could skip
a full day November fifteenth, which was rifle opener. But

(01:24:51):
I can only skip half the day. I'm the squirrel opener.
And you'd go out and at that time, all the
leaves were on, and you just go and do a
good area and sit and listen, like what you're saying
here in acorns raining when they're beach nuts, and you'd
get under them. They would't even know you're there because
they're the leaves. The foliage is blocking them. And then
when the leaves felt, it just became hard, hard, hard, hard,

(01:25:12):
hard hard. But that's the beauty of the dogs, is
when the leaves are down and the squirrels are paranoid
and they're all dead from hawks, you can still clean outs. Yeah,
it like really makes your season run. In fact, doesn't murphy.
You don't even like to do it until the leaves
are down the dogs because when the dogs bay up,
you need to be able to find the damn sqirrel.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Oh yeah, and he's one of those guys that doesn't
carry binocular so doesn't carry vinyls. He can't see him
up there. Yeah, Vinos, you can see him.

Speaker 5 (01:25:37):
It is fun early season though, when you're just slowly walking,
so much fun.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
I used to go into the White River bottoms and
you could. You know, you get a limit pretty.

Speaker 5 (01:25:44):
Quick, and they're so good to eat. Do you how
do you clean? Do you cut them in this in
the middle of the body or do you go from
the tail?

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Yeah, we call it pants and shirt, pants and shirt?

Speaker 5 (01:25:54):
Okay, yeah, I know I can. I clean them from
either pants and shirt or just from the tail when
you lift them up, tail skinning them.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
People that are good are good, but when you mess
one up, it's no fun. Kevin Murphy does it. He
paled he tails skins. Did you grow up tail, skin.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
And seth Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:26:11):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
I was shirt and pants? Yeah, shirt and pants.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
How did how did you get into barstool? That's what
I want to know? Like you were your dad was
obviously they had the media side of things going, so
you were involved with that, But like, how did that
all go down?

Speaker 5 (01:26:32):
So it's really funny. I was in Oklahoma. I just
shot up my Oklahoma white tail, and that night I
was talking to my cousin and I was like, man,
I really want to do something on my own. I
don't want to be I saw the following.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
But not from your dad's stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
Yeah. And then I had, you know, I picked up
some people throughout the way, and I was like, I
don't want to be Tim Wells's daughter. I want to
be Sidney Wells. I want people to know me for me,
not because of my dad. And I was talking to
my cousin about that the night before and I was
just like, I don't know to do. I gotta kind
of figure it out. I was I had no money.
I had a little bit of saved up through working
throughout college. And it was so crazy because that next

(01:27:09):
day Dave Fortnoy tweeted was like wanted host of Barcel Outdoors.
I didn't see it. I had a ton of people
send it to me, and I was.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Like, details, we are woven into the stre we are Okay,
that's a weird ass story.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
You're got to tell me why we.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Can talk about it. Actually, not like no one applied.
We're just woven into the story.

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
Because I have some questions after the cameras are off to.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
About this story that I'm trying to tell.

Speaker 5 (01:27:39):
You, yeah, probably you're not gonna say it on air, Okay,
we'll talk about so anyways, So then I just literally
sent an email and just some like YouTube videos, and
then I met with Gaz, which is like Day's right
hand man, and I just told him what I do
and like what I would want to do. And then

(01:28:00):
I met with Dave and he was like a ten
minute conversation. He was late because he was in a
Jingo tournament, but no, and then he was just like, Okay, cool, yeah,
that's what you want to do, roll with it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
And so he's kind of like an animal He's like
an hs US animal rights guy.

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
Though, Dude, he does not care what I do, which
is the crazy thing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
I wanted to. I want to, like, I always wanted
to have like a debate with him about because I
know he's into like hs US and stuff. He means
not not not the kind of he made sightry we
take care of dogs, but the other kind of he
made society. So I feel like he is isn't he?
I don't I thought he's like an animal rights guy?

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
Is he not? Not? Really, he just doesn't want to
see it. He just he loves animals, but he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
He doesn't love him as much as I do.

Speaker 5 (01:28:40):
I don't. Yeah, I don't know more, Yeah, I don't.
I don't know. Like fidal Berg, I don't know if
you John Fidelberg. He told me he's one of the
main guys who's been along for around for a long time.
He said he wrote a blog one time, I'm an
alligator eating a turtle, and he Dave was upset with it.
It had him take it off a long time ago.
He's like changed, Dave, because I mean I post so

(01:29:02):
much hunting. I mean that's all I do. Yeah, And
he doesn't know, and nobody will ever say, like, you
can't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
So did anyone have any idea of like your background,
like before you went and inns like they didn't know
who your dad was. They didn't know any of the stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:29:16):
They didn't know anything about hunting in the fish. Actually,
I had a couple of the Barcelo people already following me.
So one of them is his name is Brandon Walker.
He followed me. But he's from West Point, Mississippi, which
is where the mass Yoke headquarters are. So he's friends
with the mass Yoke guys. So I think he knew
of me he likes to fish, and maybe a couple
of other people, but not not really. No, they didn't.
Nobody really knew. But now it's kind of fun because

(01:29:39):
I have a series called Out of Office which all
my coworkers want to come and hunt and fish. They
have no idea. But now, like I just my one
of my co workers, his name is Dave called white
Sox Dave. He shot his first dear with me and
we like, you know, he brought all the meat home
and it was just like really exciting.

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
Yeah, so you're being a teacher too.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
Yeah. And then I'm going on a duck unlimited hunt
in January. They invited us to go, and I'm going
to bring two of my other coworkers who's never duck hunted.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Cool, that's really cool.

Speaker 7 (01:30:07):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
So I mean I feel like I don't put pressure
on anybody either, Like I'm not ever going to do
that if you're not comfortable with it, Like I'm not
gonna make you do anything but the doors open. I'll
teach you, I'll help you. We won't do things crazy
off the get go. I want you to like it
and not be freaked out, just like going squirrel hunting,
like that kind of small thing, and they're all interested.

(01:30:28):
I have had anybody be like what the heck?

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
And you guys will film a lot of like Jack, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:30:35):
We film it all.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
Want you introduce Jack back here? Poor guy?

Speaker 5 (01:30:39):
Oh yeah, this is Jack. Jack or Landy come here and.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
Say hi, Hello, meat eater world.

Speaker 5 (01:30:46):
Yeah, so that's really fun. I think I've introduced the
sport a lot to Barstool and like the audience, and
been able to show our coworkers who may have not
maybe wanted to hunt or even thought about it, or
maybe even a disagreed to act, enjoy it, which is
really fun.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
So yeah, how long have been?

Speaker 5 (01:31:05):
Three years? Almost three years? In February?

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
What were the questions you said you wanted to ask
us when I said I was gonna tell you a
story later.

Speaker 5 (01:31:12):
Well, I'm gonna talk to you about it later. But
what I'm not gonna say it you can ask me
a question.

Speaker 6 (01:31:21):
Maybe started to play warmer and colder. I gotta standoff, start.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
Like who's gonna gave first? That's a question. Standoff? Now
did your life change through all this stuff of like
of Barstool getting sold to a casino and then the
casino giving it back. Did this change your life at all?

Speaker 5 (01:31:45):
No? At first I was scared because Penn owned a
hundred percent of it, you know, for a second before
they get it give it back to him for a dollar.
That's when I got nervous. Dave bought it back for Yeah,
So that's that's when I was nervous.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Anybody can read it. You don't need to. It's not
gonna change your life.

Speaker 5 (01:32:04):
They just, you know, we were more of a corporation.
They were going to you know, insurance, and I was
a bigger brand with sponsors, so.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
They have insurance before that we did.

Speaker 5 (01:32:15):
I don't know, maybe they're I'm insured probably right, oh
that stuff. I have health insurance. So I'm saying like
they were scared that somebody who's gonna get shot on
a shoe.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Oh that kind of insurance. But I like your company
had an insurance.

Speaker 5 (01:32:31):
No, no, no, no, no, just like liability. Yeah, but
it's hard. I told him, like, I hunt every day,
so you can't have somebody on site with me every day. Also,
you're gonna have somebody to tree stand with me because.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
You want to get an insurance. Man excited that, No,
it's not the insurance man be like, dude, I've seen
the numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
I'm not going.

Speaker 5 (01:32:57):
No, pen is great. But I think we're all pretty happy, Daves.
We're all happy Dave's has.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
So do you find all stuff just by reading the news?
You're like, oh, that happened.

Speaker 5 (01:33:06):
No, we have like meetings, but sometimes yeah, I'm like whoa, Like, no,
we got it all figured out. Everybody talks to one another,
which is nice.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Yeah. How how connected are you with the the The
main office is in New York right.

Speaker 5 (01:33:24):
It's moved. Yeah, so there's like two main ones now,
so Chicago and New York. So so some people are
there Dave's. I don't know what Dave's plan is. I
think he's still in Miami. And then Big Cat and
some of the other guys just went to Chicago. So
we've got a big Chicago office and I'm still connected.
But this time of the year, I'm not really in
the office. I'd rather be out hunting and filming.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
Yeah, I can't. So when you're in the office, you're
in the Chicago Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:33:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
How many people work there?

Speaker 5 (01:33:49):
Oh jeez, I think we have like three hundred employees.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Now, whose studio is better? The studio Space podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:33:58):
Don't ask that I'm in the Chicago off.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
This is just like way better than the studio.

Speaker 5 (01:34:02):
I haven't been in any of the studios yet because
it just opened.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
Let's Phil be the judge of this.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
But the Chicago office is gonna badass. Maybe we got
a full court basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Court and I'm talking about the studio.

Speaker 5 (01:34:12):
Probably part of my take is probably going to be
the best.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Well, listen, I was recently in some real I was
recently in some really fancy studios. Yeah, they had a muscos.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
They got a buffalo and the buffalo shot in the
head with the bull?

Speaker 5 (01:34:29):
Is that no blackbird?

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
A couple of k They got a squirrel bottle heater?

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
What about the leather.

Speaker 5 (01:34:40):
Studio?

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
This is the best happened. We recently had a wake
up call. I think I told you about this earlier.
We went to some fancy studios and and and Phil
felt like he was getting studio shamed. Oh no, remember that, Phil.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
I mean I I wasn't mad. It was a very
comfortable experience, but.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
Then later confided me that some of those studios weren't
all that. Oh well, I mean, the spaces themselves are
are spectacular, but the microphones just.

Speaker 5 (01:35:09):
The coffin.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
I'll say this isn't in Phil's words, but some of
these studios were all hat no cattle, the cattle being
the mic, wouldn't you say, Phil.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
Yeah's a good way to put it.

Speaker 5 (01:35:22):
Exactly, how damn good mics.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
I seem like he spit a big dip stream out.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
I think my seats.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
He still walked in and said, so, uh, what's the
Some of the stuff we were talking about, some of
the stuff you'd like to do that you'd like to
do in the future, like trips you'd like to go on.
You mentioned how you kind of have a sort of
an interest in South America.

Speaker 5 (01:35:48):
Yeah, well I've been to South America, so I've already like,
oh you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
Know, no, it was not that you brought up fishing doratto. Ye, Yeah,
that's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:35:56):
I would like to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
What else is interesting?

Speaker 5 (01:35:58):
Neil Guy talked about shooting Neil Guy down in Texas
to you guys know what Neil Guy is? Yeah, I
think just a story about Neil guys.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
Is really interesting down here.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
Oh there, just hold it up.

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
So if you don't know, if you're listening to what
a Neil Guy is, go google it. It's really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
And tell him none of that. Just go to YouTube
and look at what right now, Yeah, it came like
that we skinned it and that was under the meat.

Speaker 5 (01:36:23):
No, kid, that's a nice We're all surprised you shoot that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
That's a deadhead.

Speaker 5 (01:36:29):
Oh it is nice one.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
Well, I shot a nice one.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
I accidentally got a nice one. You don't to accidentally
get a nice something.

Speaker 5 (01:36:39):
Yeah, you're like, oh, this is good, but you get it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
And there was like holy shit, and I'm like, oh
the great.

Speaker 5 (01:36:48):
But this is a story, you know, like COO's deer
anark Hello, Couzier would love to kill a coups deer.
My dad and his buddy went to Mexico to shoot
COO's deer and his buddy shot his first cous deer.
It was like one hundred and twenty inches.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
You got to ask.

Speaker 5 (01:37:02):
And he's like my dad was, you know, like holy
everybody's oh my gosh. And he's like, oh is this good?

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Accidentally get the big one. Yeah, I accidentally got so
I got a nice one. That's a nice one that
was found as a deadhead.

Speaker 5 (01:37:15):
That's a nice one, yea.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
I have my other one, My my other accidental nice
one is at my house. But if you want to
go hunting Couzier, you can come hunting COOZI you with thoughts.
We go in January. You can't come this January, but
next January. Next January, I'm serious, We're at we go
to Sonora.

Speaker 5 (01:37:29):
Okay, I would love to. I've never killed one. I
really want to.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Don't shoot a big one.

Speaker 5 (01:37:36):
I'll try not to, don't accidentally.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Probably won't even know.

Speaker 5 (01:37:40):
You're gonna be like.

Speaker 6 (01:37:41):
We just tell you like that is huge and if
you don't measure it, you'll never know.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
Okay, scenario, it will just be like they told me
it was giant. All right, they told me it was
a giant. Nokay, what other? What other kind of dream
things like cool trips?

Speaker 5 (01:37:55):
You want to do a grizzly bear. I haven't killed
an elk. I need to kill an elk. I don't know.
There's a lot. Probably I don't know if I have
a desire to kill a sheep or not. A caribou
would be cool. I think I just need to start
out west thone. Do like the smaller things like the coos,

(01:38:17):
and not smaller, but the kousier, the elk. Have you
done it never done anything in Alaska like a blacktail.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Oh yeah, I like to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:28):
I just would love to just kill a grizzly too.
I think I would be really nervous. I had a
black bear climb a tree with me when I was younger.
Scared me. Use I think I'll be really nervous to
see grizzly up close. But I really want to do
that and with my bow.

Speaker 4 (01:38:40):
Didn't your dad spear grizzly?

Speaker 5 (01:38:42):
Yeah, I took him like like ten trips or something.
It was a lot. It was hard. You know, you
got to get it right under you.

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
I can't imagine that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:52):
Yeah, I would freak out.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's an alpha dog. I was gonna ask
you a bunch of stuff. But he spared a wolf,
but he's.

Speaker 5 (01:39:01):
Not I would like to kill a wolf. Oh, I
don't know if he's ner.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
Dad speared himself.

Speaker 5 (01:39:06):
He spared himself. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
Do you mind talking about that for it?

Speaker 5 (01:39:08):
Yeah? I can talk about that. So with the spear,
he's always really good at making sure I mean that
those things are you know this, this like this, and
it's super sharp. You know, he goes right through an
animal right when they're underneath you. Die instantly, super deadly
with him. When he keeps it in his tree, he
always make sure it's somewhere safe. Maybe gets out, it's
not gonna fall. Well, he wasn't thinking. He just climbed

(01:39:32):
up this tree in Africa. He dropped a GoPro. Well,
in Africa, they have really good sense and they're really smart.
So he didn't want to keep that on the ground,
so we jumped out of the tree. When he did,
he shook the tree and it went right through hit
his ball cap, went right through his leg. You talked
about the tourniquet earlier. He took off his pants, put
his belt, made a tourniquet, and he barely missed his

(01:39:55):
memoral artery. Lay there for six hours, his water and
his walkie talkie. You were up there. He made sure
that he stayed conscious. He didn't want to go He felt
his body going into shock, so he didn't want to
go in too shock because if he went in shock
could have been deadly obviously, and then he's in Africa.
You don't know what's going to come around. Smell of
blood and he's just wounded. Yeah, So he stayed there

(01:40:15):
for six hours and he ended up pulling the spear
out of his leg, but they found him. He went
and got stitched up. He didn't have surgery or anything,
but they gave him the really really like potent antibiotics.
It's illegal in the States, but in Africa was not,
so they gave him these antibi biotics. And when he
got back to the States, the doctor told him that

(01:40:37):
it's he's lucky that he got those antibiotics because they
pretty much killed everything and saved his leg. Yeah, infection,
I mean he killed a bunch of animals with it
and antibiotics and the antibiotics and the States probably wouldn't
have been as strong and he could have just lost
his leg from infection.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
Yeah, I just thought of the thing I was gonna
I was gonna make the thing I was gonna tell
you an interesting thing, And then I remember that the
person that told me made me swear not to tell anybody.
Got it?

Speaker 5 (01:41:09):
All right, Well, we can talk about that off camera,
but no, the spear like, I mean, yeah, he spares
a lot of things, and he's really good at keep
making sure. I spirited a black bear when I was
younger in Canada too, so we're always making sure it's
safe because those dang spears, I mean their deadly goes
on an animal and instantly. That's the one thing that's
great about them is it didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
They killed quick.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
So you killed one with a spear? Is it a
weighted spear? Like?

Speaker 5 (01:41:34):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
Like is the shaft weighted? Is this shaft like got
lead or embedded?

Speaker 5 (01:41:39):
And you would know he would know more, but I don't.
I don't know, to be honest, I don't know the
whole Diana dynamic of the spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
There's a really I don't want to say it's good.
There's a documentary and I don't want to say it's
a great documentary because it's just it covers something interesting,
but it doesn't cover it in the in a perfect way.
But it covers these Indo Nesian harpooners that they still
they still fish dolphin. I don't mean like mahi mahi,

(01:42:08):
but like porpoises. Man arrays sperm whales with harpoons and
they don't use a harpoon gun, and they don't use
a weighted harpoon. That harpooner goes overboard with that harpoon. No,
he's up on the bow. I mean there's a ton
of on the bow and when they get on that whale,

(01:42:31):
that dude drives, that dude lands with the spear to
land and place the spear.

Speaker 5 (01:42:41):
On.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
He's in on the whale. That's another power play. And
these guys like they're they are whalers and they try.
The movie has this sort of like a little bit
of a tenuous It has this sort of tenuous environmental
messages that I wasn't totally I need to spend more

(01:43:03):
time on because it was basically this culture hadn't practiced
sustainable fishing practices and had like destroyed their fishery and
that drove them to being marine mammal hunters. And I
a little bit questioned that because that's a tremendous amount

(01:43:26):
of know how. Yeah, and I just couldn't picture that
that's really that this wasn't more of an ancestral behavior.
It's hard for me to pick up that in the
modern era, someone like sort of crafted this harpooning culture
because the fishery, I just like, you know, I don't
know that that's right or wrong, and I'm sure eight people
are write in and set me straight on it. But

(01:43:47):
he lays that out, and I remember a little bit
thinking like I need to spend more time on that.

Speaker 5 (01:43:52):
Well, we all have that in our like our blood instinctually,
like hunting, whether you're a hunter or not. If I
don't know if you agree with that, sure, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
When I'm sitting there and jigging hal a bit and
in a humpback comes by. No. No, I never do,
but I always comment on it you think about doing it,
I'll say to my kids, can you just imagine? Because
we carry a harpoon for landing. You know, it's basically
like a you're basically gaffing. You're gaffing of fishes on

(01:44:22):
a hook, but it's just you just deliver the gaff
with a harpoon chef. If it's not like, you're not
like harpooning it, you're like, what do you call it?
Just like a togglehead that comes off a harpoon chef,
so you just poke it. Yeah. Anyhow, I'll always always
comment to my kids, can you imagine sticking up? It's

(01:44:43):
crazy and then just going for a ride.

Speaker 3 (01:44:46):
You need a bigger skiff.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
Oh, I would never do it, but it always like
something deep in me, something deep, some evil, deep thing
in me wonders about what would be like to just.

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
To, but you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
Don't care if it's evil.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
I can't even finish the sentence.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
Maybe it is evil, you hear me, I keep going
just to.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
Can you imagine just one time Sidney Phil's throwing up
a sign and says three minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
You know, I was trying to keep that on the download.
That's why I held up a sign without saying.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
Tell people, Tell people, tell people how to find you?

Speaker 5 (01:45:42):
Okay, you can find me all over social media. You
can spell my name s Y D N.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
I E, which is how you spell it, which is how.

Speaker 5 (01:45:48):
I spell it, spell it right, Sidney Wells or anywhere
on barcelwell Doors, so YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, all the above.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
Thanks for coming on, man, Thanks for having me today.

Speaker 5 (01:45:58):
It was a good day.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
About duck hunting.

Speaker 5 (01:46:00):
Yeah, and now we're going back to Illinois.

Speaker 1 (01:46:03):
So well, I'm not you are well?

Speaker 5 (01:46:04):
I am?

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:46:05):
Hopefully you can see me with the big old buck.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
Yep, and we both al big thanks to Brady Davis
from Flying V the best. I had a great time
basically telling us where to point and.

Speaker 5 (01:46:13):
Shoot and clean it up, clean it up.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
And he's still going to go clean up.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
We didn't even big our own decoys up.

Speaker 5 (01:46:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
I did kind of help set him out.

Speaker 5 (01:46:22):
I was talking about I mean you said that. I
was talking about, like, you know, our bird clean up
when we're missing, and he's just like, don't guys, I
got this gage.

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
I think I meant the fact that he now has
to go and like pick up empty shells and decoys.

Speaker 5 (01:46:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
Sorry, No, we were on a bit of a time.
He's very time conscious. Dane and I are headed back
to go pick up the spread all his other attributes,
and he's time conscious.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
Yea, such a good great guy.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
Gets you where, get you your dogs, gets you where
you need to be at noon. You gotta be on
time in life.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
Yep, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
Thanks everybody.

Speaker 8 (01:47:02):
On the seal, Ray shine like silver in the sun.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
Ride Ride, Ride on along, sweetheart.

Speaker 8 (01:47:21):
Were done beat this damn horse to death. Taking a
new one.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Ride.

Speaker 8 (01:47:31):
We're done beat this damn horse today, So take a
new one and ride on.

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