Ep. 786: Murder Mystery, Raghorn Bulls, and Impaled Ligaments | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Randall Williams, Seth Morris, and Cory Calkins catch up with our friend Jordan Sillars about his new podcast, Blood Trails, play another round of Fake News, interview hunter Lauren Dolcater about a unique request she made to First Lite customer service, and share some old photos in Throwback Thursday.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.
That's seven am for our new friends in Tahiti on Thursday,
October thirtieth, and we are live from Meet Eater HQ
in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Randa Williams, joined today
by my very close friends and colleagues, Seth Morris and

(00:47):
Corey Calkins.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Happy to be here.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Great to see you again, Randall.

Speaker 5 (00:51):
On today's show, we'll interview Jordan Sillers, host of the
Blood Trails podcast, which officially drops today. That's correct.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
We'll play a little game called fake news. We'll interview
Lauren Dolkater, who submitted one of the most unusual customer
service requests in the history of First Light. And finally
we'll look back at the good old days in another
installment of Throwback Thursday. Then here I write did we
have any plugs? And then below that Corey is added.

(01:23):
Season thirteen of Meat Eater keeps rolling on with the
second episode, which dropped a few days ago, Steve's Montana
Muzzloader Mule Deer Hunt. Next Monday is Steve and Evan
Felker's Alaska black bear hunt. And we also just dropped
a thrilling Ryan Callahan deer and elk combo hunt that
is sure to please viewers. Well said, that was a

(01:45):
nice touch.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Boys. How are we doing today?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Oh we're good.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
It's a good, good week in Ja.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
It's hot in season.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Oh yeah, Oh my goodness, ball is in the air,
deep falls in the air.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
But some of us have already closed the book.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Some of us had a short elk season on the
chapter of our hunting season.

Speaker 5 (02:04):
So Corey, how was your weekend?

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Oh it's fantastic. Got into a bunch of elk. Oh
more elk than people, which usually good opener.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
That's a wind right there.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, agreed, because man, I've had some openers where I
see a pile of people and zero elk or you know,
more people than elk. But so yeah, had a good
plan rolling into opening morning and uh didn't get it done.
Watched a few elk fall from other groups of hunters.
But Saturday was tough for us. The weather was just
oh windy, is get out?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Geez.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
We joked multiple times we should have just brought a
flag or excuse me a kite with us a flag
to wave up on the side of the mountain.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
You could have also stuffed your backpack full of elk
meat so that it catches a lot of wind and
spins you around as you walk down the mountain.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
I like I could have used that was my innovation.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
A little added weight would have actually makes you very unstable.
But Sunday I helped the buddy get a nice bowl,
which was fantastic. Mm hmm, not too bad of a
pack out. Beautiful day on Sunday and gorgeous. Yeah, I'm
still hunting myself, though I'm a little picky still. We
got a long season and something about having a tag

(03:14):
deer and elk tags in your pocket in late November
a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
I'll trade you mine deer tag for your elk tag.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Not even that's how it works.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
No, sure, I don't even think about deer until my
elk's down.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Seth.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I'd trade you my dear tag for your elk tag.
But that thing ain't good no more.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
That's right, brother, Uh got you guys are insufferable.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
We're getting so good at this, hell get good at this?

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Uh yeah. Opener was a good one for me. M
and you tell me more.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Uh, well, brother, and then I'll tell you more.

Speaker 7 (03:50):
I saw more people than elk by far, darn it,
what you know, That's how it goes around here.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
But you know one thing I like about the open
is all the people just get the elk moving around.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Stuff's happening, Yeah, heavy button.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I just feel like I'm always in it.

Speaker 7 (04:06):
It's never a quiet day, yeah, no matter how many
people around, you just feel like anything could happen at
any moment.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
And that's what I experienced.

Speaker 7 (04:15):
Saw a lot of dudes in openings, open areas. Every
open area that I glassed, every ridge had orange on it.
So I was like, you know what, I bet the
boys aren't in the timber sneaking around. You know, you
bet they oh, the boys being the people the people?

Speaker 5 (04:28):
Yeah, yeah, I bet by the boys you met the elk.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
And no, in fact, you were thinking the opposite, that
the boys would be in the timber, yes, sneaking around
if they were the elk.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Where the boys exactly? Yeah, that's not confusing, but not
at all.

Speaker 7 (04:39):
So yeah, I started doing some timber sneaking and just
bumped into some bulls and.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
I'd like one of them, I'd like to put it
on the record that when Seth talks about elk hunting
and he visualizes how he'd like his elk season to
turn out, he often described sneaking through the timber and
shooting a bullet close range. So when you texted me
like that stuff, oh, I was delighted for you.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yes, it was. It was exactly how I wanted it
to go down.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Really m hmmm, So happy for you.

Speaker 7 (05:08):
And you know I I lucked out and had a
very short pack out. That's which never happens.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
That's great, and now you have elk in the freezer
for your growing family.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
That's right, beautiful.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
What's your sons? Did I blow it?

Speaker 3 (05:25):
No, it's it's announced. One on the way. Yeah, this
is live. He's gonna yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Yeah, let's go back and cut that.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
And if we could trim that out for the YouTube audience,
that would be and done.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I mean you're gonna feed that animal, yeah, which is
cool to think about. Beautiful.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
I get ready to throw that meat and a blender.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, a strong, handsome young Morris.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Little meat smoothies for the that's right.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
What's your actually?

Speaker 6 (06:01):
Spencer Spencer Newharts in the chat which we all love,
he says. Now Seth has to get back a Randa
by telling a secret about him.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
Oh, secrets. Secrets are no fun unless you take secrets.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Do I have.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
All the secrets I know about Randa? Would put him
in jail.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
So yeah, let's avoid those. Thanks for asking about my
elk hunt. Yeah, it's great opening morning. This was a
close buddy. We packed in day before openers, set up
a nice little.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Camp, spend a good long time. Actually I haven't told
you this part of my story.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Spend a good long time pumping water and filling up
our water bladders. And my buddy bent down to rerig
the filter and his can of bear spray hooked on something.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Oh you did tell me about.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
That, And so this is I'm standing like five feet
away and he's bent over and I just hear this,
sorry to the listeners.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
And I thought it was a bear.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
I mean, they should really look into making bear spray
deployments not sound like bears, because at first I thought
it was just a bear huffing, and then I realized
he had just fired off a one second burst of
bear spray, and I immediately thought we were going to
have to evac As they say, thankfully, it just went

(07:20):
straight into his backpack, and once we realized we didn't
have any on our hands or faces, we scrubbed his
backpack with snow, and to be honest, a bear could
probably smell it, but we couldn't. Interesting So that yeah,
then spotted some elk. Then Saturday mornings, the opener didn't

(07:40):
see any folks saw a lot of elk, and they
moved onto public land, which is where we had permission
to hunt, and.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Got to a couple of bulls.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
A couple of smaller bulls sneaked across the property line
there and I had an opportunity for a shot. It's
my rifle. I placed the bullet accurately and uh tremendous damage.
Elk went down quickly, and then we packed it out
and we were back sleeping in well, we were sleeping
in separate beds, but we were sleeping in bed at

(08:12):
my house that night, each each with I had two dogs.
He had one.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
What time of morning did you shoot that bull?

Speaker 8 (08:20):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (08:22):
Late morning, like round ten thirty.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Mine was nine thirty.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, And it's.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Odd because we killed the exact same bull.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yes, So at some point we're gonna have to bring
our bulls together and try to decide if a man
could tell the difference between the two because they were
remarkably similar.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
They are remarkably remarkably similar.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, the bowl we killed was at high noon day
after but really, yeah, never give up throughout the day.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, high noon, Yeah, I mean it is It is funny.
I've killed some things by just thinking to myself, well,
I'm not going to kill anything if I go home
now and then it happens.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
What was ebel? Was that a five by five? It
was yep, ten just just a just three ten pointers,
you know.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Ye if that means yeah, five by five, that's thirty
points altogether.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah, great work, congrats fellas.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Joining us on the line first is friend of the program,
Meet Eater managing editor Jordan Sillers. His new podcast, Blood
Trails is officially out as of today, Thursday, October thirtieth,
so go subscribe and check it out.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
Jordan, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 9 (09:32):
Hey, good to be here.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
You you just had a successful hunt of your own,
if I recall correctly from the gram I did. Yes.

Speaker 9 (09:41):
Yeah, I got to go out to Colorado and get
mule deer.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Very nice?

Speaker 5 (09:48):
Is that a first mule deer? As a Texan.

Speaker 9 (09:51):
It is, yes, first mule deer as a Texan. So
you know, not nothing huge, but three by three I
was very happy with.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Very good.

Speaker 9 (10:00):
Yeah, a good end to about five or six days
of hunting.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Nice, very cool, cool way to go.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Congrats, Jordan, thank you.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
The first episode of Blood Trails comes out today and
it involves the disappearance of a hunter named Bob Christian.
Can you tell us a little bit about the facts
of the case.

Speaker 9 (10:17):
Yes, So, Bob Christian was an eighteen year old kid.
He's a college freshman. He lived in Madison, Wisconsin, and
he had a plan to go hunting on the opening
day of archery season. And this was all the way
back in nineteen seventy seven, so he was, you know,
one of the earlier people to really get into archery,

(10:40):
archery hunting white tail, and so the plan was there.
He was going to drive up to his buddy's house
in Bearaboo, which is about a forty five minute drive
from where he lived. They were going to he was
going to spend the night at his friend's house on Friday.
They were going to get up early on Saturday and
go hunting. But Bob was supposed to be at his
friend's house around six pm for dinner. But he never

(11:03):
showed up. And this was obviously before a cell phone,
so they couldn't just call him, and so they waited
and waited and waited. He didn't show up all, you know.
All that Friday night, they went out looking for him,
and they found the car he was driving in a
kind of a remote area that was actually an area
that he had experience hunting in, but that's not the

(11:26):
area that they had planned to hunt. And the weird
thing about this is the car was found but all
of its wheels and tires had been removed. I think
the battery had been removed, a few other things. And
so they found the car, they looked inside. Bob wasn't
in there. All of his archery stuff was gone, all
of his hunting gear was gone. I think there was

(11:47):
a letterman jacket that he owned was still in there,
but there was no sign of him. So they searched
the area for several days, still couldn't find him, and
to this day, no one knows what happened to him.
And there were a few kind of weird things they
found out throughout the investigation. A few people saw the

(12:10):
car that Friday night driving around. It's unclear if Bob
was the one driving it, and to this day, no
one quite knows what happened. So that's that's the first
episode of Blood Trails.

Speaker 8 (12:23):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (12:23):
It's out now. It's on Spotify, you know, anywhere you
get your podcasts, so you can go go check that out.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
So how did you first learn about Bob's story. It's
a it's a fifty year old cold case. And yeah,
I don't think anyone here who's on our radar. How
did you find out about this?

Speaker 9 (12:41):
Yeah? So I found out about this because the detective
who's currently in charge of the case for the Saut
County Sheriff's Office, he reached out to me. We put
out that first kind of pilot episode of Blood Trails
back in March, and he heard about it and he
reached out and said, you know, I'm working on this
cold case. It's about a hunter. I think it's something
that you guys could cover on Blood Trails. And he's

(13:04):
really been pushing to get you know, more people, uh,
to to get the word out about the case because
at this point, there isn't a whole lot of physical
evidence that's available, and so it really will come down
to someone coming forward who knows something, and so he's
trying to trying to get the word out.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
So I assume you you have included that UH investigator
in your in your reporting. Who else did you speak
to uh while researching this case?

Speaker 9 (13:33):
Yeah, so I talked with the detective of Tyler Poynton,
and then he connected me with Bob's sister, and then
also with that friend that he was supposed to meet,
And so for this episode, Uh, you know, I I
talked with really the the people who have the most
knowledge about this case who are still alive. Bob's parents

(13:53):
have passed away, but I was able to talk with
his sister, uh, and then and then his friend. So
and they are very kind, you know, It's it's one
of those things that is difficult for them to talk about,
but they want to know what happened to their brother
and to their friend, and so they were willing to
talk with me.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
What what drew you to the story? I mean, obviously
there's a lot of cases like this. Is there is
there anything in particular that grabbed your attention when you
heard about it?

Speaker 9 (14:24):
I mean, there's with this particular story, there are some
very strange details that are really kind of inexplicable. One
of the people who saw Bob's car saw it it
was it had pulled up the driveway of a cabin
where a nun lived, and she talked with the person

(14:44):
driving the car and he said, I'm looking for my
friend Bob. But the description she gave of this person
driving Bob's car looked a lot like Bob, and so
that's difficult to explain. There's all also a potential connection
to the Chicago serial killer John Wayne Gacy, and so

(15:06):
that's you know, and and that's currently being investigated. We're
actually waiting right now for some DNA results to come
back to see if there's a connection there. So there's
lots of interesting details. I also, I think with this
this podcast, you know, a true crime podcast about hunters
and anglers, I think our audience has a really unique

(15:30):
opportunity to push some of these cases forward because there'll
be people in our audience who are from that area
who know the place that that Bob's car was found,
and so they might have some information. And I also
think our audience is gonna is going to care about
these stories more so than you know, your kind of
standard true crime general audience. I think, you know, we

(15:53):
we want to figure out what happened to these people
who love to do this the same things that we
love to do.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Now, you mentioned, you mentioned that there's these bizarre details.
What's the most surprising thing you turned up in this
in this case during your reporting?

Speaker 9 (16:13):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's that John Wayne Gacy connection,
which Gaysey was arrested I believe in nineteen seventy eight,
so that was just one year after Bob disappeared. And
the fact that that we just now are kind of
learning about this. The detective who's in charge got a
tip from someone who said that Gaysey did some work

(16:36):
at their at there. I believe it was an inn
or a hotel. He Gaysey did some work there, which
is around the same area that Bob disappeared around the
same time. And so they're they're looking at some of
the DNA from the some Gaysey victims that haven't been identified.
And so just the fact that it's been almost fifty

(16:59):
years and we're still learning more where there's still leads
to follow, and some of those leads are very surprising
and I mean obviously very disturbing. I think that's was
definitely the most surprising thing from this episode.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
M This is obviously just the first of your series.
Can you give listeners a sense of what else they
can expect in the weeks ahead and how frequently these
will be coming out?

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (17:28):
Yeah, absolutely. So this first season is going to have
eight episodes. The first one comes out today and then
they'll come out every Thursday until those those eight episodes
are over. And so the next two episodes is going
to be a two part series about a there was
in nineteen ninety six, a fifteen year old girl was murdered.

(17:48):
They couldn't figure out who did it. Last year they
found her killer. It turned out to be a BLM
biologist who still lived in the area. He was also
big time hunter, very involved in the hunting community, and
so those two episodes cover that investigation, how he was
found out, and then we really dive into this question

(18:11):
of how could someone do this right and then go
on to kind of live a normal life. So that's
the next two episodes. The one after that is about
a hunter who was murdered with his own rifle. They
don't know who did it. The one after that is
a similar kind of disappearance case similar to the Bob
Christian case, but there's a lot more information. Detectives think

(18:33):
they know who did it, but they've been unable to
basically gather enough evidence. There's a story of a hunter
who was stabbed seventeen times. He was found out in
the woods and they ruled it a suicide. So we
get into that and some of the reasons that the
evidence for that. So lots of interesting stuff. This is

(18:56):
not a podcast where every story is a cold case
and you don't have a resolution. Some of these stories
have been solved, but I would say there's still a
lot of questions, a lot of unanswered questions with which
with each of these cases. So really excited to share
these stories, and like I said, hopefully we can move
some of these cases forward. Hopefully some of our audience

(19:17):
will will know something and be able to help out.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, Jordan, we do have one more question for you
from the chat. Spencer wants to know the story behind
the baseball on the shelf behind you.

Speaker 9 (19:30):
Oh, that's just a little league I got the game
ball one game.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
That's awesome.

Speaker 9 (19:39):
Yeah, thank you, just that at some point Yeah, no, man, no,
it's it was a shining moment of my baseball career.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Honestly, beautiful, beautiful.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Well, Jordan, good to see you. Congrats on this. I
know it's been a tremendous amount of work and folks
are excited. So again to the audience. Uh, check out
Blood Trails, go find it, subscribe and uh you can
look forward to eight episodes in the coming weeks.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (20:08):
Absolutely, And just one quick plug if you have a
story you think we should cover. Uh, we have an
email addressed set up. It's just Blood Trails at the
meater dot com. So you know, send, send me your ideas.
I'm I'm always looking for a good story.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Awesome, Thank you, Jordan, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, good lord Jordan.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yeah, got goosebumps. Watch your six while you're out in
the woods.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
Our next segment is fake.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
News, news, beat tape and rush shop.

Speaker 10 (20:40):
You talk TAKEE balloon booking to you about Steve. It's
a better shot than done this.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
So where is that soaked?

Speaker 10 (20:47):
This opportunity comes once e for a few weeks.

Speaker 6 (20:51):
You can do anything you set your minds to you guys,
except like teleport or fly or something stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
You know, that's it was that a new touch at
the end.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
No, it's just everyone always talks over it, so it's
been hidden. There's a few of those in some of
my drops for this, like little Sneak, Sneak at the end,
and I've never mentioned it, but thanks for calling me Phil.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Little slim shady mix.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Fake news is where I read a series of headlines
in which a real one is hiding among three impostors.
Your job is to figure out which one is true.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Can't wait? Bring it on all ready for this? Ben
or Randall?

Speaker 8 (21:27):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (21:27):
And uh?

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Phil?

Speaker 5 (21:28):
Would you keep score? Please?

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Uh? Probably not. I think I'm so simple.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
I'll keep score.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Thanks.

Speaker 8 (21:38):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Our first headline comes from the venerable journalistic outlet People
dot com.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Sorry, Randall, hold on a sec here.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
No, it's fine.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
No, it's not your fault at all.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
No, No, I didn't really think about how complicated it
was on your end of just killed time for.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Longer, Randall, Light, I forget.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
I see you have it up.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Now it's up.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
Now I'll do that again.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Great.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Our first headline comes from the venerable journalistic outlet People
dot com formerly People Magazine. Aggressive blank destroyed after escaping
from overturned truck, but one is still on the loose.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Oh I just read this.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
No, oh, that kind of don't.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Show them, don't show them. I'll read that headline again
for those of you playing at home, aggressive blank destroyed
after escaping from overturned truck, but one is still on
the loose. Your options are A lions, B elephants, C

(22:42):
monkeys or D wild horses.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
All could be aggressive.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Yeah, that was a trick.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
That was That was tricky for me when I was
coming up with the fake answers as I had to
choose aggressive animals that could be turned. It could be
in an overturned truck.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
You don't think the word destroyed harmed the animal? Do you?

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I do? Actually I do.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
I did not hear about that.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
That's a clinical term.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
A lions, B elephants this weekend, C monkeys or D
wild horses.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Interesting?

Speaker 5 (23:16):
What could it be?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Seth's got an answer because Seth keeps up with his
social media headlines People Magazine. I thought, I thought this
might be too obvious because it's been all over has it? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Interesting?

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Must That shouldn't shape your thinking, Corey, You should just
follow your gut. Is A lions, B elephants, C monkeys
or D wild horses.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
Well, golly, you can't hide an elephant. This here we go, Carolina. No, okay,
definitely haven't heard about it.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Let's go all right, flip over your boards, gentlemen, we
both say c monkeys. Darn it, you both got it correct.

Speaker 7 (23:59):
I saw gripping grin. I'm gonna yeah, so like some
hunters got after him. I guess you're unless that was
fake news. But I saw on the webs that I
don't know, some hunter was sitting in a deer stand
and one came by.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I don't know, I don't know who got the monkeys,
but I can tell you that a truck carrying twenty
one Recis monkeys from Tulane University to a testing facility
in Florida overturned just on Tuesday, setting the primates loose.
The Jasper County Sheriff's Department posted on Facebook that quote,
the monkeys are approximately forty pounds, aggressive to humans, and

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carry hepatitis, C, herpes, and COVID. Howat, in a separate
statement to Lane University, said the monkeys had not been
exposed to any of these Sure good people contacted the
Jasper County Sheriff's Department, who had no additional comment about
the discrepancy and information and referred to follow their social

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media pages for updates on the case. So if a
deer hunter got one of those monkeys, I'm not sure.
I assumed it was the Sheriff's department, But.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Boy, stay tuned for on the missing monkey.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Real exciting start to our game. We're tied at one
to one recess monkey. Our second headline comes to us
from the old Gray Lady the New York Times. Beware
of swiper a blank at Grand Teton Park with a
penchant for footwear? Yep, is it a a black bear,
be a marmot, see a fox, or be a seasonal employee? Again,

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the headline reads, beware of swiper a blank at Grand
Teton Park with a penchant for footwear. And your options
once again are a black bear, a marmot.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Do you know this one?

Speaker 5 (25:48):
A fox or a seasonal employee.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
All options would potentially snag a footwear piece and take
it away back to their whole seasonal employee would be
living in a hole somewhere, for sure.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
It would be weird.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Though if his seasonal employee got a nickname from a newspaper, well,
I don't know. I guess they could you know it's
like the Boston Strangler. M Seth's got an answer, Seth,
are you confident Corey's got an answer?

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Pretty good? I narrowed it down to two.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
I think all right based on just your gut yep. Perfect.
That's how we like to play around here.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Flip those boards over, boys, let me see him. Seth says, see,
oh a fox, Cory says.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Be a marmot. We have a correct answer in the room.
It's a fox. WHOA I've been gut shot. Oh look
at that. Look at that photo there there is.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
The National Park Service announced on a poster wanted for
grand theft footwear with an illustration of a fox gripping
a sneaker in its teeth, crimes stealing left shoes, parentheses
they taste better flip flops, and camper's pride. This whimsical
wanted poster, which branded the fox, the sneaker Snatcher, the
midnight mismatcher, and swiper. The fox, was part of the

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park's initial effort to warn campers that Parkerer's shoes had
been vanishing, but last week, unfortunately, the tally of purloined
footwear rose to thirty two because visitors were intentionally leaving
out their footwear as offerings to the Fox, just in
case he comes by.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
I wonder what he's doing with him.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
I don't know shoes, Yeah, that'd be interesting to see.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
I hope we get some more information on Swiper Fox
for a future episode of fake News, because I don't
know anything. So now it seems we have a one
to two deficit here. Seth is in the lead, Corey
is losing by one point correct, and there is one
headline left to go. Phil, Let's give it to him.

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A fisherman went digging for worms. Instead, he found thirteen
pounds of blank? Is it Civil war cannonballs, marijuana, ancient
treasure or dinosaur teeth?

Speaker 9 (28:10):
Interesting?

Speaker 5 (28:11):
Where was he that's going to give me?

Speaker 2 (28:15):
A fisherman went digging for worms? He found thirteen pounds
of blank? Is it Civil war cannonballs, marijuana, ancient treasure
or dinosaur teeth.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
I wasn't around back in the Civil War, but I
feel like a cannon ball would have weighed about thirteen pounds.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
You know, I had I had problems when I was
coming up with my fake answers. I had problems thinking
of things that would be in the ground that you'd
measure in poundage.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
Okay, so it's not a.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
No.

Speaker 7 (28:45):
No.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
It could be well, of course, because if they were
different sized cannonballs, you wouldn't say a small one in
a medium one.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Sure chunks of balls pounds.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
The chat is reprimanding all of you for not having
any reference to Dora the explore or when it comes
to Swiper the fox steals things, darn.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
Guilty as guilty as charged.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
I think he wears a little zoro mask.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
Not a not a not a door guy.

Speaker 6 (29:13):
It's a little little past your time, but it it helps.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
Seth's got an answer, Corey's got an answer.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
The a tie breaker.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
They've got different answers. No, I'm thinking of one as
I do this. Uh you ready, Corey?

Speaker 5 (29:31):
Show me what you got big boys?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Cannonball?

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Corey says b weed. Seth says, A cannonballs. The correct
answer is c ancient treasure. A Swedish fisherman, searching for
gooey juicy worms to use his bait near his summer
home near Stockholm instead struck something far more solid, a
copper cauldron brimming with coins and jewelry. In total, defined

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comprised thirteen pounds of Early Middle Ages silver.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Are we good, Phil, Yeah, don't worry about the TV.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
This is quote.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
This is probably one of the largest silver treasures from
the Early Middle Ages that has been found in Sweden,
says Sophia Anderson, the antiquarian at the Stockholm County Administrative Board.
She says this in a translated statement, so I don't
know the original Swedish. I assume that they translated her accurately.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Quote.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
We do not yet know how.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Excuse me, God, just take a breath, Randall.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
We do not yet know exactly how many coins there are,
but I believe it could be upboard of twenty thousand. Wow,
a veritable fortune in Middle Aged treasure.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Twenty thousand coins are twenty thousand dollars worth of coins?

Speaker 5 (30:45):
Twenty thousand coins.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I don't know if we have the exchange rate pinned down.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
That'd be interesting to know.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
But with that final question, Seth is the winner of
fake News by a score of two to one.

Speaker 5 (30:58):
Thanks for playing. I enjoyed this good game.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
That was great.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Back to our regularly scheduled programming and that brings us
to listener feedback. Phil, what does the chat have to say?
Sorry if I'm rushing you.

Speaker 6 (31:12):
No, it's no, it's fine, it's moving on. It's very
efficient and I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, that's the vibe we're.

Speaker 6 (31:17):
Going When this show is run professionally, it kind of
catches me off.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Guard, you know, that's the vibe I'm going for here.

Speaker 6 (31:23):
Uh, Mogor asks when will Daylight Saving Time end in Montana?

Speaker 3 (31:28):
This year?

Speaker 6 (31:28):
Ours just ended this past Sunday. I didn't know that
it's on different schedules around the world, but Mogor, I
believe is OURS is next week, next Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Saturday night day ends.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Yeah, usually it's a week.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Oh it's like a Sunday Saturday night into Sunday.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Yes, right, okay, it's coming up soon.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
I think this is going to shift our shift.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
Our hunting hours around a little bit.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Here.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Sunset will be around five thirty.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Now sunset a week from Thursday. Sunset is at four
thirty really a week from today, yeah, this time next week,
sunset will be.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
At four thirty yep, and barely light heired.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah. Yeah, so we're gonna have old some earlier mornings,
but also earlier evenings back at the tent.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
True try I enjoy long nights.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
Interesting question more thank you.

Speaker 6 (32:12):
Yeah, we had a legitimate question about rifle calbers and
the chap At spencer. New Heart has just been fielding those.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Is that the bullet question? Yeah? Yeah, I like that one.

Speaker 6 (32:21):
Uh well, there there is another bull asking if you
guys are shooting copper Oh yeah, that's the one I said, Okay, no, yeah, there.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Was one about whitetail caliber. Gotcha, Yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (32:29):
Believe old Sethi is I'm shooting the all copper hornety
c X bullet out of my seven PRC.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
That's what I shot that bull with.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Hmm, beautiful. I am not same.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
Lead Seth is from Garrett. Why does Kelsey never paint
a picture? Paint pictures of Wiley? I don't give an
f about cowboys? Can I pet that dog?

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Can I pet that out?

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Well, if you are willing to spend some money, she
will do that. Yeah. I don't think get that commission.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
I don't think that brush moves for free.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
The cowboys pay the bills.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Wiley is very photogenic.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, beautiful animal. What else you got here for?

Speaker 6 (33:06):
Well, here's another caliber question. Justin is asking does what
if you shoot a sig cross in three hundred wind
bag and if so, do you like it? I have
a Montana bear in Alaska. You know it's a mushy sentence,
but he's got some hunts and he wants to know
if that's a good thing to go with.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Corey, Yeah, I sure do. It's the sig cross saw
tooth and a three hundred wind mag.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Love it.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
I will say, I don't like carrying around the mountains,
but when it's time to shoot something, it's a dream.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
So well, yeah, I mean it's worth it. There's no
free lunch, true. I have a sig crossed the original magnum,
not the saw tooth and three hundred wind mag and
uh yeah my uh my wife killed a buffalo with it,
shooting a copper bullet. So just to tie those two
questions together, was that for some hosting, good job, ran, Yeah,

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three hundred wind mag can't go wrong unless unless your
recoil shy.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Then you get a big break YEP or can or.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
A meat eater suppressor.

Speaker 6 (34:04):
Here's another plug for you. This question is from Dill Bean.
Any thoughts on the one hundred mile buffer zone bill
for quote border security and SNR unquote. We just released
a bonus flap this morning Steve talks to one of
his buddies about this whole topic. You can check that
out about what it's got Steve's thoughts in there. The
thing Steve said that I think kind of sums the

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whole thing up is if you have a group of
people that are trying to do something very unpopular, unsuccessfully
for decades, and then they try to frame actually it's
about border security. Yeah right, and then they introduce a bill.
It smells fishy.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
So you know, I don't know enough about it to
speak to it knowledgeably.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Check out the podcast.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
Check out the podcast.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yeah, just stay out of the wilderness.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
All I have to say.

Speaker 6 (34:48):
Ryan asks Randy, which I guess is something people call
you when, and what was your most recent cased meat meal?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Great question? Great question.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
Couldn't have been that long ago.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
No, No, it wasn't Saturday.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Right.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Didn't you say something about a corn dog?

Speaker 2 (35:06):
No, that was the bull that I'm going to talk about. Gosh,
that's a good question. Uh, I know I've been eating
bratwurst at home regularly.

Speaker 8 (35:19):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Sorry, Ryan, I don't have a good answer for you.
It wasn't that long ago.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
A couple of weeks got to be with you yea,
within the last couple.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
Within two weeks, within two weeks for sure.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Well, that could be multiple questions. Case is in like
a sausage, or case is in like the hot case
from a gas station.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Oh, it hasn't been that long since since I've tickled
the since I've tickled the hot case at town pump.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
That's where my head was.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
At tickled the hot case at town pump.

Speaker 10 (35:47):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
I think I read some online erotica, same.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Title, Phil, Please, you're live on air.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
I know we got kids.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
What else you got, Phil.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Steve Q.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
This is me of having a nun fetish in next
week's episode of The Mediator podcast. So that's not really
everything's out the window now, Dune folks. Yeah, you do
one more here? Yeah, I don't. Let's see what's Yeah,
here's one for all of you.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Phil. You're playing Destiny Rising.

Speaker 6 (36:14):
No, I I I this is I don't know if
I've said this before. I have played thousands, literal thousands
of hours of Destiny two, and much like my game Fuel,
I had to quit that cold turkey. I do not
play Destiny anymore. Destiny Rising, okay, Randall. Destiny Rising is
the new mobile Destiny game I will not touch it.

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I have never touched it. Take that to the bank
for all of you who care, gosh, which is as
or King.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
That's a fantastic listener feedback section. Thanks for wrapping up, Phil,
Keep question coming, Gang, keep them coming. Would love, would
love some more feedback. We're going to do an extended
feedback at the end of this episode.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
My co host just learned.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Up.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Next, we're gonna speak with Lauren Dolcater, who submitted one
of the most hair raising customer service emails in First
Light's history after a tree limb impaled her leg. Lauren,
Welcome to the show. Hello, thank you for joining us.
So as I understand it, you needed a replacement set

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of kiln bass layers after a recent hunt in Wyoming.
What were you hunting and when was this?

Speaker 8 (37:29):
It was about five weeks ago. We were hunting archery elk.
It was middle of September, and yeah, we were there
up near Dubois, Wyoming, hunting elk for about a week and.

Speaker 10 (37:50):
Yeah, it was The week was off to a great start.

Speaker 8 (37:53):
We got into some milk and had a lot of
we had a close encounter with a moose. It was
just off to a great start and then Friday, on
day five, we uh, everything kind of changed.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Can you can you describe ut the incident that led
to your injury here? What happened?

Speaker 10 (38:18):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (38:18):
Yeah, So we were driving a side by side early morning,
so it was still dark and we were about forty
five minutes to an hour that we needed to get
up a pretty rough road to get where. We had
watched some elk go into Septimber the night before, so
we felt like we had a good chance, but we

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needed to get up there before first light. And we've
driven up that road many times. But for some reason,
we were going up and my hunting partner was driving
and I was in the passenger seat, and I don't

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remember if there was like something in the road or
just like a really big pothole or something, and he
kind of tried to miss it and we got too
close to the edge and there was a we were
driving through a burn and there was an old lodge
pole tree that was hanging over the edge of the
road and when we hit it, it came through the
side by side door and went into my leg.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
I will just say I have I have some pictures
that Lauren shared with us. There are not gory, but
I would say one of them is rather upsetting. At
least when I saw it, I got like full body chills.
So I'm gonna pull that up a little bit. If
you don't want to see that, look away.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, Lauren, can you can you describe what was going
through your head? Right?

Speaker 5 (39:44):
Has that happened? Did you know right away?

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Or did the did the side by side immediately come
to a stop? Like what was what was the first
so the first thing that happened or the next thing
that happened.

Speaker 8 (39:57):
Yeah, the side by side came to a complete stop,
and me and my partner kind of just looked at
each other and I felt a pressure against my leg.

Speaker 10 (40:10):
I didn't really feel.

Speaker 8 (40:11):
Any sharp pain or anything, so immediately I just thought
that the side by side door kind of like pinned
me and my leg was stuck. And then I reached
down because he was starting to put it in reverse,
and I just kind of had a weird feeling and
I reached down and I could feel something going into

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my leg. So I told him to stop, and I
was like, I think something's in my leg and he's like,
what do you mean? And so I turned on my
headlamp and looked down and I could see that that
tree was in my leg.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Out.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
How did your partner respond?

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Was it just the two of you?

Speaker 8 (40:50):
Yeah, it was just the two of us, he responded
pretty well. Obviously we were both shocked. He put it
in the park, and we both work in the medical field.

Speaker 10 (41:04):
So I feel like that kind of helped us a
little bit.

Speaker 8 (41:09):
Obviously, if you're getting paled by something, the last thing
you want to do is pull it out, right, So I.

Speaker 10 (41:15):
Told him to put it in park and told him
to come.

Speaker 8 (41:18):
Around the side of the side by side so we
could see if I was still attached to the tree
or if the branch had broke, which luckily it had,
that would have been a whole another orga trying to
get off of that. But yeah, just from the crash,
the fender flare of the side by side had enough

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pressure that it broke the branch or end of the
tree actually, but there was about probably about three feet
of it hanging off from my leg, and we were
able to get the side by side door.

Speaker 10 (41:55):
Open and kind of.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
She'll be right back.

Speaker 8 (42:02):
We were able to get the side by side open
and situate the piece of wood into the side by
side with me, and I kind of just had to
almost stand up with my good leg and hold onto
the ceiling of the side by side and keep my
legs straight for a twenty minute ride back down the mountain.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Oh my god. And then what what It's obviously at
some point you got medical attention from first responders.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
What was that like?

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Did you drive to the hospital or did they come
out to pick you up or what did that look like?

Speaker 10 (42:36):
So I keep a garment in reach for obviously things
like this.

Speaker 8 (42:40):
But I knew because we've hunted there for a few years,
we knew that we were only about twenty minutes from
cell service and we needed to get down the mountain anyways.
And where we had cell service, we knew an ambulance
could get there and there'd be enough room for a
helicopter to land. So we got down there, called nine

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one one, and they sent an ambulance that was stationed
down in Doboys, which was only about fifteen minutes from
where we were. So they sent an ambulance up and
got Ivy started and helped me out with meds and
trying to figure out if we were able to drive

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to a hospital because we're about an hour and a
half from the nearest hospital.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
And at this point I'm sure the pain had set in.

Speaker 8 (43:34):
Yeah, definitely, it was more so like cramping pain, like
my muscles were obviously trying to reject whatever was.

Speaker 10 (43:43):
In my leg.

Speaker 8 (43:44):
Yeah, and I think with enough adrenaline nothing was sharp pain.
But definitely was scared of what kind of outcomes my head.

Speaker 10 (43:58):
But yeah, So we were on.

Speaker 8 (44:00):
The scene for probably about an hour and then they
decided they wanted to fly me to a trauma center
because we were over four hour drive from the nearest
trauma center, and so yeah, they landed a helicopter and
flew me to Idaho Falls.

Speaker 9 (44:16):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
What after you got to the hospital? What were the
extent of your injuries? And how are you doing today.

Speaker 8 (44:26):
I got extremely lucky with the path that the tree
went in. It missed bone and arteries and everything that's
super important. It did get my glute muscle a little
bit because it went about six inches into my leg,

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But yeah, I got there. They did some cts really quick,
make sure that I didn't hit any arteries that would
cause me to bleed out or anything like that, and
I was in surgery within a half hour and they
just went in and took it out and cleaned everything.
The biggest worry was infection. So the surgeon did really

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good and got it all cleaned out. And yeah, I'm
really lucky. I was walking within two hours of surgery.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
That'sable.

Speaker 8 (45:20):
And yeah, I was actually able to go on a
hunt last week that.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yeah, did you get did you get your replacement base
layers yet? From first light, I hope the answer is yes,
otherwise this can be tremendously embarrassing.

Speaker 10 (45:43):
They they have.

Speaker 8 (45:44):
Sent them, they're on their way. Uh, it's more on
my end. I'm having little issues with a change of
address situation. Oh sure, customer service was great and they
sent them out right away.

Speaker 10 (45:56):
And yeah, it's turned into quite the story.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, that's gonna be a story. That's gonna be a
hunting camp story for the Ages.

Speaker 10 (46:07):
Yeah, luckily everything turned out good.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
Yeah, I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
I'm glad to hear that you got back out there.
That was my next question is what the rest of
your season looks like. So I'm glad to hear that
you got back out there and that you weren't more
seriously injured by this. It's very lucky that you guys
have the medical training that you do, because I think
had some other folks been in that same situation, cooler's

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heads would not have prevailed.

Speaker 10 (46:32):
Yeah, I'm very thankful for that background.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Lauren, Thanks for thanks for sharing your story with us.
Good luck out there this fall. And yeah, incredible story
and glad you're okay, And please reach out should anything
like this happen again fingers crossed it doesn't, but please
please reach out and and yeah, it's great to chat

(46:57):
with you.

Speaker 10 (46:58):
Sounds great. Thank you guys for having me on.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Thanks Lauren, good luck.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Oh brutal.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
Yeah, I'm still tense. My body's tense.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
I knew a friend of my sorry, a mother of
one of my friends growing up, had a similar deal
riding a quad through the woods and had a stick
right basically ride up the side of her knee and enter.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Her leg after getting flipped up from a tire.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah. Yeah, that's uh g, that's super gnarly.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
I think we meant to do this, but it's kind
of an ironic show. With Halloween tomorrow, we got a
lot of gore and murder and you.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Know, yeah Halloween esque that we did not think about that,
but man, those pictures are happy. Halloween make me shaky.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Do you need a sip of water? Are you good?
You need a second?

Speaker 8 (47:50):
No?

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Okay, No, I'm good, I'm good. It's the responsibility of
the host to keep this thing moving. But I am
affected by that story, and I'm really glad that they
sent out those replacement based layers. I figured I could
be setting us up for tremendous embarrassment as a company,
and I was gonna offer to send them myself. Go
down to the store and you know, I use the
employee discount and all that. But good on first light.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Hey, great customer service.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
Hard pivot.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Going to try to regain my composure as we get
into another Throwback Thursday, and there's no musical.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
There is stream Yards having some issues to they We
got to nineteen seventy four.

Speaker 8 (48:35):
Roll back.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
I can't believe it.

Speaker 10 (48:38):
Did I mentioned Steven Ronnie our old ash.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
For today's Throwback Thursday. We've got a real treat for you, folks.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
We each brought in our first bull elk and we're
going to share those stories. Maybe we should go and
order of trophy size. Oh, because I didn't realize we
were bringing our first six points.

Speaker 6 (49:06):
But seth for those of you who weren't in this
room before the show started. This is all Randall has
been able to talk about for the last hour.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
Yeah, I thought we were bringing in raghorns. You, I
can't help things. Leaning up against the wall to my armpit.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Says like, I can't help it.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
My first bulls great bull.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
No, it's a good bull. It's a great first bull.
But I didn't realize that we were going to do
this thing. So Seth, why don't you tell the story
of your first bullet.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
It's not a huge six point, No it's not. It's
just the biggest barely.

Speaker 5 (49:36):
It's barely a six point just so everybody was.

Speaker 7 (49:39):
The camera wide enough to get this, just just barely, Seth,
this is this is my first Yeah, let me up
to the mill.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Thank you. This is my first bull that I ever killed.

Speaker 7 (49:53):
And it just so happened that this was back in
twenty sixteen, my first hunting season in Montana. How old
were you, I don't know, twenty six, twenty five.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
Five again young buck.

Speaker 7 (50:10):
But yeah, so I had just recently become a resident
in twenty sixteen. I went to FWP headquarters in Helenum
and picked up my tags, and then the next day
I went up to a hunting spot that I had
been scouting.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Wait, this was literally the day after you bought your tag.

Speaker 7 (50:27):
Yeah, amazing, and was deer hunting. I was deer hunting
the spot that I had been been looking at some
some big deer at and uh, you know, I just
happened to come across this guy that was bedded in
some willows way way back in there.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
I was with good buddy Rick Hutton.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
Shout out Rick, Rick.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
So yeah, I ended up shooting this bull at last light.

Speaker 7 (50:51):
And I, you know, very new to elk hunting at
this point in my life, and very new to Western
hunting in general, and didn't really.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Totally know what I was doing. So we gutted this thing.
And we were six miles from the.

Speaker 7 (51:09):
Truck, So instead of cutting it up that night in
the dark, we just gutted it and got the guts
away from it because we were in some grizz country,
thick thick griz country. In fact, every time we pretty
much scouted that area we ran into grizzlies. But yeah,
I gutted this thing, rolled the guts down the hill

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quite a ways away from it, and we left to
come back in the morning to cut it up, which
you know, in hindsight, I probably would have just stayed
there and cut the thing up.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, but just not shot at six miles deep.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Yeah that too.

Speaker 7 (51:45):
But that night, so we started hiking back to the truck,
and it was well after dark, and the wind picked
up and there was like a cold front coming in
that night, and so you know, Rick and I we
were hustling to get out of there. We kind of
stripped down to our bass layers, you know, so we

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weren't getting all sweaty. And got back to the truck
and Rick was acting real weird. I couldn't figure out
what was going on with him. He could like barely talk.
He was kind of drooling a little bit, saying he
was real hot. Well, you know, later we figured out
that Rick had gotten hypothermia walking.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Out of there dangerous.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
So yeah, that was that was my first experience, quite
an adventure.

Speaker 7 (52:32):
With hypothermia, like seeing that for the first time, and
you know, also my first experience killing a six point
elk beautiful.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
So yeah, that's the story of this guy.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
Thank you, Seth.

Speaker 6 (52:44):
Yeah, don't you think we should have started from the
smallest to the largest. I think that would have been
like a more kind of satisfying progression.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, I didn't think about that.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
That's fine.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
First balls, they're all the same size and memory.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
This time next year when we do this again, well
do it that way.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
So let's see if we're going in order here.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
I think years bigger than mine?

Speaker 4 (53:05):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (53:05):
No?

Speaker 5 (53:06):
Oh, you want me to go, I'll go, I'll go,
I'll go.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
Oh, I'm the smallest.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Please let me go.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Let me go, Randon, why don't you go?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
All right?

Speaker 3 (53:14):
It might be close, it's gonna be they're really sick.
Your points are longer.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Hey, thanks?

Speaker 5 (53:21):
What if my head set back on? This is a
weird way to hold a bowl.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Very well done, European mounts, I will say.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, this is my first bull. It's not going for
the listening audience. I'm having trouble fitting it in the
frame with me, not because it's large, but because I
don't have good sense of my spatial awareness. So this,

(53:48):
this bowl I killed in the fall of twenty eighteen,
I believe twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen. It was the day
after Thanksgiving, and my brother in law was in town
from Seattle, and he's very interested in hunting, and he's

(54:11):
watch his metater and.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
Never been out hunting.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
And I had a white tail b tag for a
unit west of Missoula, and we thought, well, why don't
we take Jason out in the morning and shoot a
white tail dough and show him what hunting's all about,
you know.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
And so we drive in.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
There and it's basically like a forest service road and
we'd hike down to the river and there's just some
openings and see a lot of deer in there. And
we passed a truck on the way in, because it's
the day after Thanksgiving. We passed a truck that's got
like eight dudes in it, you know, from ten years
old to eighty years old, and they're like three hundred

(54:55):
yards from where we're parking. We're like, all right, I
guess you know, we'll get this side. We start walking
from the truck, I see a white tailed dough.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
Phil cue the picture. Oh absolutely sorry, Sorry God, I
did this again to you?

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Oh no, You're fine. Is this is on me? Randall.
I'm the engineer back here. I should be prepared for everything.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
So Sydney. Sydney started to take a picture. I'm about
I'm setting up to shoot this white tailed dough and
next photo.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Oh I believe that was the next photo.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah, no, you did it right, I just it's my
mistake again.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
A big dough down.

Speaker 10 (55:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
So I'm setting up to shoot this dough and it
wanders behind a little like finger ridge that's you know,
like thirty feet tall, just like a little finger going
down to the to the river bottom. And so I said, oh, perfect,
let's drop down there. We'll walk up that finger and
she'll walk up the other side, because she was just
kind of feeding up. And so we start walking up

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this finger and another dough squorts past, and I think
to myself, oh, I should every now and then check
over my right shoulder instead of just locking in on
the left side.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
We're expecting this dough.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
I'm like, I should check over my right shoulder just
to make sure nothing's over there. And we get a
little ways up and I look over my right shoulder
and I see this big tan body and I'm thinking, oh,
that's that looks like the color of an elk's body.
And then I look again and I'm like, oh, that
looks like the color of an elk's neck. And then

(56:25):
I realized there's antlers and this thing is bedded broadside
to me with just its face behind a tree, like
the tree was literally only covering its eye so it
didn't see us. It's probably at like fifty yards.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Wow, that's the little luck that it takes to oh man,
that you stopped, you know, and see.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
And so Sydney, Sydney and Jason are standing next to
me and they're looking to the left and I hear
one of them.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
Go, oh, there's the dough and I just go shut them.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
You know, and uh. And they have no idea what's happening.
And then I start shooting and I shoot this thing.
It stands up, two other bulls run off. I shoot
it again and it flips over. That shot. Well, well,
so Phil, go back, go back, go back, go back,
go back, go back.

Speaker 5 (57:15):
Okay, next slide.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
So Sydney's like, Sydney's like, oh my god, Randall just
shot his first bull and like, I'm standing here. I
just watched the whole thing. And so she started taking
photos of me, like walking down to it. And you'll
see in this photo that it's lying It's on a
steep slope, its head is kind of tucked under it,
and it's lying there. And we walk down to it.

(57:37):
And then you'll see in the next photo, all of
a sudden it's getting up. And so this thing, as
I approached it, it started like donkey kicking, and like
I said, it's head was wrapped under it. So all
of a sudden it flips itself up and over like
rodeo clown. I am ten feet away from it, and
it starts running away, and I'm thinking, it's going to

(57:58):
run to this truck with these other dudes. And I'm
just thinking, my first bull is going to be shot
by an entire extended clan and they're gonna have a
great Thanksgiving Day and I'm gonna have the bitterest Thanksgiving
weekend of all time. So then I start shooting it again.
So Phil, if you'll proceed, So we have this whole
sequence of photos of it standing up again.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
You shoulder your rifle.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
You see see rifles shouldered, and I'm like twenty yards
away from it.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Next one, you look closer than that.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
Next one, Oh, I mean I was.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
I was afraid it was gonna kick me when it
initially started freaking out. Next one, he's off. Next one
finally go after like on my last the last round
in the magazine, I mean, he ran to the bottom
of hill and just stood there and I shot him
again and finally tipped over and walked down there and

(58:55):
pretty shocked by the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (58:56):
This is like at nine o'clock. You can see my
face here.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
We're in a lot of sick in that photo.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
But you'll you will see an f HF bino harness
in a.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
First light blaze orange watching this. It's fine, No, it's fine.
It shouldn't be a big deal now.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
And then the next photo that's me and Sydney.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
It was a very cool, cool thing to have her
there for it. And then uh, next photo, we have
a little family, a little family pack out. And then
we went to the old U Thomas Marbar in Missoula,
watched some some football that's great, had a few cold ones.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
Lovely you're making glue with those hooks or.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
Yeah, you know that's that was a mistake.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Like I said, ladies and gentlemen, we're talking.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
Jannis Ptelis just walked into the studio. Jannis ptell Us.
Tell the folks how you're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
I'm pretty hungry, Randa, we have a lunch date right now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Oh my god, we're running over on time. It is,
so you're literally interrupted the live show to tell us
that you want to go eat lunch. Now. Yeah, well,
we've got one story left here and it's Corey Culkins.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
We're telling the story of our first bull, elk Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
I'm here to listen, right, Here's here's my first ball.

Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
I was a dandy fourteen or fifteen dandy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
I can't quite remember exactly what year this was, but
I think it was a sophomore in high school potentially. Anyway,
Southern Montana opening day.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
I do remember we.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
Glassed up Elk the night before, which back then opener
was on a Sunday. Anybody miss those days? And so Saturday,
I remember glassing up or Herd Elk. My dad and
I walked up in the dark by trying to get
you know, ahead of everybody else that we could see
rolling in with their campers. And we get up on
this saddle and then looking down below us just see

(01:01:01):
headlamps galore coming up towards us, you know. So we're like, okay,
well we should be in the right spot. This is,
you know, a few hundred yards away from everybody else. Yeah,
of course sun comes up elkra Gone. So we're kind
of bumming. We hike up above the saddle to the
top of the hill and lo and behold, here comes
this lone bowl tongue just dragging as if he got

(01:01:24):
bumped by somebody else. I want to say, it's first
forty five minutes of light.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
And with you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
He walked right up to me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Three hundred excuse me, this was a thirty six I
want to say, like sixty yards away, dumped him one shot.
Fantastic and yeah, I was pretty tickled, pretty blown away.
And as we were packing him out, took multiple trips
to get him out, just my dad and I, and
we passed this young gall who had harvested a giant

(01:01:52):
six point right by the trailhead. Oh, they've admitted they
got a late start, you know, and came up after
first light and everybody he had walked right by this
stud six point bowl in the dark.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
You've always got it, You've always got a chance.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Yeah, And so we got to see that on the
way out. But yeah, then if I remember, my dad
shot a spike later that day, back when you can
shoot spikes around here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Very cool.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
So yeah, thanks for sharing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
That's a great, great, great day of el coming. Yeah,
and Seth really quick, since you went through the trouble
of sending it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Oh handsome young buck at twenty five years old. He's
got a full mustache. Still, that's really nice way to go.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
A BHA sticker on his h Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:33):
On the r you're walking the walk and talking the talk.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
And I was wearing the first Light back then too,
and wearing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Not all of us were doing side work for First
Light of the FACHEF and getting free stuff all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
No I bought that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
Okay, I would have been wearing some Walmart special.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
That brings us to the end of today's program. We've
got a little bit of time for listener feedback.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
I know Ganis is hungry. I will the first question
I will bring up is her next gun, And it says,
why is Gianni's not in Wisconsin?

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Oh Capitol? Oh good question.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
That is a great question. My cameras are blowing up.
Everybody's killing deer in Wisconsin. And I'm not going for
until a week from Friday. I'm going on the seventh
because I'm gonna be at the Milwaukee Meeter store on
the seventh for meet and greet. So if you're anywhere
near Milwaukee, you've already killed a boxing. You don't need
to be in the woods on the seventh in the evening.
Come and see me at the Meat Eater store in Milwaukee. Yeah,

(01:03:29):
I'll be hounting on the eighth, Saturday morning.

Speaker 7 (01:03:32):
In my opinion, Yanni, the eighth is the best day
out of the year to be in the woods.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
So you'll be there. I'll be there. That's great, Phil,
What else.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
We got here?

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Spencer asks? What's for lunch?

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
What is for lunch?

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Bothman Market in Delhi? Great? Your choice?

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
You mean the same place with you yesterday?

Speaker 6 (01:03:49):
Favorite fantastic Crank says that they shot a buck while
listening to the podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
Oh that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Send that in.

Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
We'll air it the next time I host.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
How did you manage to do that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Actually, maybe we'll even have Crank as a guest Crank
Email radio at the meat Eater dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
PHILM? Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Let's let's uh, let's let's hear the story of shooting
a buck.

Speaker 5 (01:04:14):
Well listening to Meat Eater Radio Live.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
My guess is from the truck, maybe a big old
deer boy.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
Let's let him tell his story him or her. Oh,
it's just yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
Mystery Canadian Hunter twenty one. A question for Randall. You
just said, oh, to be twenty five again. I'm turning
twenty five in a few months. What should I be
planning for to make the most out of being twenty five?

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
I like to look at that bridge and your profile picture.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
I bet a catfish lives under That's what I was thinking.
That's the first thing I thought one or two if.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
I was twenty five again. Mmmm, that's a great question.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Go for a big hike your forty year old celphone?

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Yeah, yeah, think about think about a place where you'd
be like, there's nobody forty years old. They're gonna be
here el hunting And then I'd go.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
There, Yeah, there you go, go do something stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
And I'd just eat it everything.

Speaker 6 (01:05:01):
Nate says, how early do I start monitoring questions for Chat?
Can I dump them before the waiting music even starts? Yes,
you can get them in early.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
I can see him. It makes my job easier.

Speaker 6 (01:05:11):
Actually, Phil doesn't lose anything. Mo gore our guy. Yesterday
I watched the Media or Muzzleloader episode. Steve mentioned that
Seth is really skilled with it. But my question is,
have randall Er Corey ever had the chance to harvest
game with a muzzle?

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
Nope, No, I'm usually tagged out by then A.

Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
Let's see Laurie. I don't think there's any bird people
in this room. But Laurie's asking what your go to
grouse slayer is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Ooh, shotgun. You might be asking for more specifics, but you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
Know mine's an arrow with a Judo point. Typically in
archery season chasing elk twelve gage twenty twos are great too, though.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
Twenty twos are great.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
The only grouse I've killed have been with twenty two
caliber pistols.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Great well, Joannis is looking at his phone. He looks,
he looks starved.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
How many more listener questions? One more? Let's do one more?

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
One more?

Speaker 6 (01:06:04):
I really, Aaron says, I recently briand a turkey breast
for twenty four hours, but it came out too salty.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
How long do y'all Brian, Johnny.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
This is a good question for you. Ah yeah, it
sounds like that was too long. I believe it in
the Meat Eater cookbook it's like six to eight. If
that happens, you can desalt a Brian turkey breast by
just putting it into just plain cold water, and it'll
actually suck through osmosis the salt will come back out

(01:06:32):
into the water. But yeah, I guess you could. You
could check it by just cutting a little sliver off
the turkey breast next time, frying it real quick and
eating it and seeing how salty it is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Well, that was the most substantive thing that's been said
in the past sixty six minutes, So I think that's
a good place to wrap up. Corey Seth as always
a true pleasure fill the engineer. Wonderful job will streamline
our us this next week, So we hickups folks out there,
We thank you for listening and we will see you

(01:07:06):
next week.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Happy hunting, Thanks guys, Happy Halloween.