Ep. 789: A Bad Road, Rutty Bucks and Cookbooks | MeatEater Radio Live! - The MeatEater Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Smell us Now, lady, welcome to Meat Eater Trivia Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. I'm your host Brody
Henderson joining me today. We've got Yannis Betelus and Maggie Huddler.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Good morning, morning, Happy.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's it's eleven am, Thursday, November six here at the
Meat Eater World headquarters in Bozeman. But no matter what
time zone you're in, you should probably be out hunting
right now.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
That's right, instead of listening to that stupid show.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, but you know, if you are listening to this
here podcast, it should be from the standard a glassing
now because this is a week the rut kicks into
high gear for white tails and the mule deer bucks
are also starting to get pretty frisky, I hear. So,
whether you're doing in all days, sit, you're stuck at work,
or you're already tagged out, we've got a great show

(01:10):
for you today. We have an interview with a couple
of folks from the Wilderness Society up in Alaska regarding
the recent federal approval for building the controversial Ambler Road.
If you don't know what that is, well we'll fill
you in. We're also going to be checking in for
a rut report from a few of our crew members

(01:30):
who are out hunting right now. Me and my charming
Hope co hosts are gonna be competing in our own
hot tip off segment for What's You. The live chat
audience is going to decide the winner, and we're also
going to share some recent hunt stories. Rather than some
you know, weird segment that Spencer would do, We're just

(01:51):
gonna talk hunting and finally we're gonna try something new.
I hope it works out. It involve the folks in
the live chat, and it evolves those one of those
folks getting the sweet Prize to celebrate the release of
our brands banking new Meat Eater cookbook box set Right there?

(02:15):
Can you see that philm to two cookbook box set
that releases next Tuesday, November eleventh, which is also Veterans Day.
We're gonna give away a copy of that thing that's
signed by Steve. All you guys have to do while
we're doing the show live is you got to write

(02:35):
a comment in there in the chat and it has
to be the most convincing reason why you and you
alone should deserve to be the winner. Phil's going to
weed through those as we go. He's gonna pick out
a few of the best ones, and at the very
end of the show will vote and decide who gets
a copy of this cookbooks.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Who came up with this game? That's what I did.
You don't like it, well, I just don't really understand.
Are you expecting to be entertained by by their comment?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I want to be.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
You don't want genuine heart wrenching stories about why they just.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Well, you know, something like that too. It might work,
but yeah, we just want to get people involved in
having fun.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
All right, You guys better be entertaining.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they already are. We probably already
have our winner already.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
There was there's been a chat discourse happening here. I
mean an hour before the show even. Still, yeah, there's
people in here talking away.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I'm going to sweeten the pot too. If you make
a really strong case for why you deserve the cookbook,
you're gonna get the old Trucks calendar that's also signed
by the crew. So there you go, little little extra
something fancy. Be honest, Maggie, before we get get really going,

(03:53):
what have you guys been up to and what are
your plans for the November rut.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Well, I'm just really here for the report since I
leave for Wisconsin tomorrow, and uh, as long as I
can get these rut reports in, then I know what
to expect.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I think we have a Wisconsin reut report coming in,
don't we? M M, we do?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
And I don't know. I don't think we're gonna play
Mark's reut report. But I got a picture this morning
from Mark and he put down a bruiser.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Is that right, little teaser, Maggie.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Uh, Admittedly I don't have deer hunting plans. I got
a freezer full of elk meat right now.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
But my got your meat.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
My bird dog, Bill has been real bummed when we've
been leaving every morning to go elk hunting without him.
So the gears are shifting and we're gonna go try
and shoot some birds now, So what do you saying?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Birds? What kind of birds? Uh?

Speaker 5 (04:48):
Ducks around where we live.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
And then we're gonna venture to the other side of
the mountain and start dabbling in some upland hunting, which
h's some some new grounds for me.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
So bring that dog up here to hunt pheasants. It's
like a banner pheasant year around here.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
Really, yes, I will.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
And I saw it in the other day, mule deer
and antelope, and I must have seen I don't know,
a couple hundred sharp tails like they were just everywhere
man where I was. So I'll tell you where they
were if you don't tell anyone.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Else, I know how to keep my mouth shut.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Man.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
On Saturday, I had I had a good lesson, I
feel like a lesson that everyone needs to get now.
And then I found I killed an antelope Saturday. Sunday
found a like for Montana, a very very nice buck,

(05:49):
and I wanted him really really bad. But it was
windy and it was like I had a sprint to
get into position, and I think I made the right
choice not to shoot, And I think you need a
reminder like that now. And then like I wanted that
thing bad and I was a millisecond from squeezing the
trigger and held off.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well, tell us just because it was windy, it was.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Rushed, like I had to sprint, I was breathing hard.
It was a small window to shoot through that comminate windy.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
Just wasn't right.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
It wasn't right.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
He wasn't big enough for that kind of a shot.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
No, he was too big to make that kind of shot.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
So you're saying, I'm guessing he was like a solid
one sixties maybe even a one seventy tight buck something
like that. If he was a two hundred incher, you
don't think the lad would have been flying.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
No, No, I wouldn't have shot.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Because I was telling my kids last night actually at
the dinner table, that personal ethics usually tend to as
the buck gets bigger, the ethics sort of slide down down.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
But I was like, I've been talking to my kids lately,
like about there's just no reason to do that shoot
and see what happens. Thing like if you want, like
you shouldn't want something that bad, like you need to
be like not that you would say I don't care
if I get that thing or not, but you need
to say, like, you know, it's okay if I don't

(07:20):
get that thing, and I think people need that reminder
now and then I respect anyway you look, you look
like you're doubting me.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Honestly, No, I'm not not at all. It's just I
like struggle with this, uh, the whole uh, the theory
of the conversation around it, because I know, if like
if it was like a one fifty and I was
kind of like, yeah, I don't really need that buck,
you know, I'd be like, yeah, you know, it was
too windy.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
I we don't ever really need any buck.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
No, I know. But when they get huge, yeah, like
it's it's like a drug. Well that's what I make
people do, stupid shit, That's what it was. Two dure.
I'm gonna be like, well, if I can just get
one in him, then I can probably get two more
in him later. Okay, I'm just saying there's a different

(08:11):
way to think about it. I mean, I'm happy for
you that you you know, you had that experience and
you made that decision. But you know, it's such a
personal thing.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
It is it is. You know, we'll see what happens.
I'm heading to Colorado, like today, two hundred inch pops out.
I might be shooting over the horizon.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
That's right. You'll be like, eight hundred never tried it,
but this buck is worth it.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, all right, moving on to the guts of the show.
As always, there are a lot of important public lands
issues going on right now. One you gotta know about
is this is the last few days of a public
comment period where you can weigh in on the plan
to there's a plan out there from the federal government

(09:02):
to rescind the what's called the BLM public Lands Rule,
which essentially prioritizes managing BLM lands like multi use, but
prioritizes wildlife conservation. The plan would throw that out the window.
That are rescinding the plan would throw that out the window.
So you can go to Regulations dot gov and leave

(09:25):
a comment supporting just leaving the public Lands Rule as is.
Go on there and do that. I think you've got
what'd you say, Maggie till November tenth?

Speaker 5 (09:36):
November tenth, I'll.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Only a few more days, So go do that. The
public lands issue we're actually going to talk about today
is the Ambler Road, And if you're not familiar, the
Ambler Road is will be a two hundred and ten
mile long east to west route from the Dalton Highway,
which runs north south almost all the way through Alaska.

(10:01):
Isn't that right? Honest? Yes, it runs east west from
the Dalton Highway over to Ambler and it's gonna cut
directly through this like massive, pristine roadless wilderness of the
Brooks Range to uh to Ambler. The Trump administration recently
it had been it had been nixed. The Trump administration

(10:25):
recently reversed that approved construction of the road despite series
concerns about destructive impacts of fish and wildlife habitat, including
a major caribou migration corridor. Now there's there's proponents of this,
and there's people, and there's detractors. But what I would

(10:45):
say is, like, Alaska is the last place in the
United States that still has these like vast swaps of
largely pristine tracts of roadless wilderness, and like that's what
makes Alaska special, and it's the only way it's going
to stay special. Those in favor of the road are
site job creations and other economic benefits for local communities.

(11:10):
But you got to keep in mind that the road
is being built almost exclusively for foreign mining interests, which
are Trilogy Medals of Canada and South thirty two of Australia.
So yeah, there's going to be some local jobs that
are going to get created, but the bulk of the
financial kind of winnings are going to go to foreign

(11:32):
mining companies. So we're going to dig into that today.
We're going to talk to Tim Fullman from the Wilderness Society.
He's their senior ecologist. We're also going to talk to
Matt Jackson from the Wilderness Society, who's their senior manager,
and we're going to see what's going on and check
out the potential impacts with those guys.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
So, guys, if I can add Redy too, if you
want to hear more from someone that's opposed to the
Ambler Road. Did a great podcast with author Seth Cantoner
probably a year ago. He wrote a book called A
Thousand Trails Home, Living with Caribou, but basically where he lives.
Uh would be greatly impacted by this road right at

(12:15):
the end of the road. Yeah, and his his caribou
that h that he hunts, and that the villages all
around there hunt would be impacted by this road. And
I'm sure if you just searched Seth canton or meet
your podcast, you'd find the episode.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yep, you got those guys in there. Yep there. Okay,
thanks for coming, guys. We appreciate you talking to us
today and informing the audience a little more on the
Ambler Road. Matt, I want to talk to you first.
It seems like this this is a situation to at

(12:50):
least to me that in many ways mirrors the Pebble
Mind situation that was going on a little while ago
down in Bristol Bay. You know, it's really controversial. It
involves like really good wildlife habitat also fish habitat. So
why don't you talk about the wilderness societies number one,

(13:13):
what you guys do holistically, and your role in the
Ambler Road situation, and then after that, after that we'll
get in and like more of a feel for who
in Alaska is for and against. But let's hit the
big stuff first.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
Yeah, thanks so much for having us on Mine's Matt.
I'm born and raised Alaskan and the Wilderness Society nationally,
we help write the Wilderness Act. We advocate for public lands,
fish and wildlife habitat, and so we're working on this
issue of the Amble Road in Alaska because of its

(13:51):
impact not just the federal public lands, national public lands,
but this huge swath of the Brooks Range the proposed
road wood cut through gates the Arctic National Park can
preserve also public lands right around the Dalton Highway corridor
that you mentioned, and the parallels you drop with the

(14:11):
Pebble Mine are really accurate. You know, what we've got
here is we're looking at the short term profits of
foreign mining companies versus the long term well being of
public lands of wildlife and most importantly the communities that
rely on them for their way life. And so that's
how the Wilderness Society started to get involved in the
Ambler Road is through listening the local communities and looking

(14:34):
at the impacts that it would have on those public
lands in the Brooks Range.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
So it's been kind of a roller coaster because not
that long ago the road had been shut down and
then just recently it's back on again. So that's like
it's got to make your job harder, you know when
things change. So and then the same thing with Pebble
mind too, right, like it's up, it's down, and you know,

(15:00):
it's been a little bit of a roller coaster.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
But what's been really consistent from within the state is
actually the opposition. You know, we've been through multiple public
comment periods where communities have gotten to speak up on this.
You know, eighty eight tribes across the Yukon Quay, cuk
and Obuck watersheds have opposed this project. So you know
what the FEDS are doing is a roller coaster. But

(15:25):
here in the state pretty level, we know what we
want and we've said no to this road a bunch
of times. So I just try to focus on that
local perspective to protect the land because that's been consistent.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I want to get into some like nitty grity stuff
for the road, like who's paying for the road?

Speaker 6 (15:45):
That's a question we don't know the answer to. The
cost estimates for the road keep going up and down.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
You know.

Speaker 6 (15:52):
I think it's upwards of three hundred and fifty million
to build dollars to build the road is the estimate
right now, and nobody's a red who's going to pay
for it. I think one thing that's really important for
folks to know is this is not a public road.
You know, it's not a US highway. It's going to
be a private mining road for industrial scale mine trucks

(16:13):
calling or back and forth. When you have trucks like
that driving there, what's called fugitive dust mindtailings escape from
the trucks, and so there's kind of some rough drafts
to have it be a tool road and the mine
company will pay the toll, but nobody knows who's going
to pay to build it.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Is there any chance like American tax payers end up
on the hook for some of the costs.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
We're certainly going to be on the hook to clean
up the mess afterwards. That's how it worked, but it's
not sure who's going to be on the hook to
build it.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
A risk is there is there a timeline for construction
or or is it too early?

Speaker 6 (16:53):
You know, some of the boosters, these foreign mining companies,
they say they want to start as soon as next spring.
You know, I think that's un realistic financially and you know,
legally for them, right, that's what they're trying to do
is start construction in the spring.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Normally, when something, you know, a road like this gets built,
there has to be all these like assessments done beforehand,
like impact stuggs and things like that. Has that work
already been done or is it going to be done or.

Speaker 7 (17:26):
Well yes and no.

Speaker 6 (17:28):
You mentioned roar Coaster, all of the Federal roller coaster.
All of that work was done, and in twenty twenty
four the Bureau of Land Management set in a record
of decision that based on all that work and permitting,
there's no way you can build this road legally because
it would impact wildlife, it would impact subsistence habitat or
subsistence communities, it would impact water quality, you know, all

(17:52):
these issues with it. And so that's why the government
said no in twenty twenty four. What the administration did
at the beginning of the Ober is by proclamation, they're
just trying to say that none of that matters and
to force the agencies to issue permits that contradict what
they decided in twenty twenty four. And so that's what

(18:14):
we're seeing happen right now, is that by proclamation they're
trying to say none of that science that happened in
twenty twenty four matters anymore. Just bulldoze the thing anyways.
And that's what the Wilderness Society and are more importantly
the frontline communities here in Alaska are trying to stop.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
What what are you guys working with a bunch of
other conservation groups to fight this.

Speaker 6 (18:37):
We are, there's a big coalition. You know, I mentioned
those eighty eight tribes. Yeah, and so you know Tannona
Chiefs Conference is a consortium of tribes in kind of
the central interior region of Alaska, and we work with them.
National Parks Conservation Association also deserves a shout out. What

(18:59):
they do is in their name National Parks Conservation, and
they've been a leader on this for a while because
of the impacts to kates of the Arctic National Park.
It's definitely a team effort. But really the stars of
the show, and I tried to bring some of them
on today but they weren't able to make it are
the tribal members from the region who from the beginning

(19:19):
have said this is not going to work for our
way of life.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Great, I had a question, bro, where does the where
does Alaska's governor stand on this?

Speaker 6 (19:31):
Our current governor has spoken in favor of the project.
You know, I don't want to speak for him, but
he tends to be pro resource extraction.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Which isn't I mean, resource extraction itself isn't necessarily bad
if it's done in the right way. But you know this,
this doesn't sound like the right way, Tim, I want
I want to move on to you. The Ambler Road,
as I mentioned earlier, is going to bisect kind of
the core range of the western Arctic caribou herd and

(20:07):
go right through their migration path. It's also critical habitat
for doll, sheep, moose, boreal birds, salmon, et cetera. But
if you could, let's let's start with that, that caribou herd,
because it's already, as far as I know, kind of

(20:27):
in a in a downturn. So just give us a
brief history of that herd and how they're doing right now,
and then Crystal ball at what could happen, you know,
if the road goes.

Speaker 8 (20:38):
Through Sure, yeah, I mean, I guess zooming out even
a tiny bit more caribou and reindeer as they're called
over in Europe and Asia, all the same species across
the globe. We're seeing declines in many populations. It's true
across a lot of Canada, and it's true here in Alaska.
So when I moved here eleven and a half years ago,

(20:58):
there were more caribou than people in the state of Alaska,
and that isn't true anymore. And the Western Occurred is
a prime example of that. It used to be the
largest herd in the state, with nearly half a million
animals as of the early two thousands, but over the
last two decades it showed a nearly seventy percent decline
in numbers.

Speaker 7 (21:19):
Now, as you mentioned.

Speaker 8 (21:21):
The proposed area in which the road would go would
cut through migration and winter habitat other important areas that
are used by the herd, and the concern there is
that caribou are an animal that needs to be able
to use big, intact areas. They live in a really
variable environment. There's lots of changes from seas to season,
and caribou need to be able to be free to

(21:42):
roam across their habitat to access the different resources they
need at different times of the year. And yet studies
have shown that caribou also are sensitive to development, and
we see altered moved behavior at certain sensitive times of
the year, like having post caving. They displace away from

(22:03):
roads and activity, and so there's a concern about, at
a time when the herd already is in decline, what
the impact of adding on extra stressors might be for
the caraban.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah yeah, Can you give us some other more specific
examples of potential impacts on wildlife but also on local
subsistence communities?

Speaker 7 (22:29):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (22:31):
So earlier this year we published a study looking at
the winstern art occurred and looking at how they responded
to roads, and we found that it wasn't every caribou
every time, but over time, impacts on the herd accumulate,
and it's much more than you might expect just based
on the footprint of roads. And so we saw that
caribou were being affected throughout the year with altered movement.

(22:53):
They might delay their movements near a road, spending more
time near the road than otherwise expected. They might not
even be able to cross all they approach around then
they'd bounce back away and they can't make it past
those roads. Other kinds of things like that. And then
you mentioned the impact for the people who rely on caribou.
There are concerns about the ability to access caribou herds

(23:16):
to be able to carry on the traditional subsistence way
of life that people have been practicing here for thousands
and thousands of years who rely on cariboo. And so
there's real interest among groups like the Western Arctic Caribou
Herd Working Group that I'm a part of, which brings
together some sistence hunters from the range of the herd,

(23:36):
hunting guides and transporters, and myself representing conservationists to try
to come up with ways to encourage conservation of the
herd and its habitat so that it can stay around
to sustain future generations.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Has the Western Arctic curred? Is that is it already
in a situation where quote us for the number of
animals that are allowed to be taken, have I have already
been reduced before? Like before the road.

Speaker 7 (24:05):
It was I believe it.

Speaker 8 (24:07):
Was just about a year ago that because of the
ongoing decline in the herd, the bag limit, the hardest
level for residents, was dropped. They've also put in restrictions
for out of state hunters and what they're able to
access from the herd because of the decline.

Speaker 7 (24:23):
And so that's exactly.

Speaker 8 (24:23):
Why, you know, with all these things going on, there's
a question of does it make sense to add additional
pressures to the herd?

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, you guys got anything?

Speaker 4 (24:34):
Yeah? Isn't this also going to have a huge impact
on fish? I mean there should be like I think
in the thousands of creek crossings having to build culverts
with this road, things like Dolly Varden sheep fish being impacted,
mind tailings. I mean, it's kind of expansive how much

(24:57):
the impacts go.

Speaker 8 (25:00):
We definitely are hearing concerns about the impacts to fish
from people out on the land and in the community's
nearest to where the road is proposed. And you know,
we have an aquatic ecologist who works with us here
at the Wilderness Society, and yeah, he's much better able
to speak to some of the details of that. But yeah,
there's concerns about what the impacts of putting in a road,
putting in the culverts, all those things might do to

(25:22):
fish and to fishing opportunities.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
If you if you guys don't mind.

Speaker 6 (25:26):
Right, it was four thousand culverts, Yeah, would be required
to build this road.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
If you guys don't mind, send us his contact info
because we might want to talk to him about that more.
All right, we kind of got to wrap things up
and move on, guys, But before we go, is there
any hope of a reversal like in the courts? And
is there anything people can do to fight it right now?

Speaker 6 (25:51):
There's always, especially when there's so much unity around protecting
this landscape within the state, within the communities that live there. Unfortunately,
kind of by design, there's not a lot of public engagement.
There's you know, there's not a comment period, there's not
a chance for people to speak up at this moment.
But the Wilderness Society and our friends here in Alaska.
We're working to create that opportunity to make sure we

(26:12):
have public comments or a chance to speak up. So
what I can tell folks right now is to just
follow the Wilderness Society on social media, sign up for
email updates, and also to defend the Brooks Range group.
As you asked earlier, if we were working with lots
of other groups in Alaska. That group of is called
Defend the Brooks Range and they're also on social media,

(26:33):
and you know, the Wilderness Society we work on a
bunch of things. If you follow Defend the Brooks Range,
you're going to get content on the Brooks Range, you know,
learn more about the people that live there, the kind
of wildlife that's there, and how to stay involved.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, and just just look at Pebble minus as an
example like that was a big win, so hopefully we
get one here too. Well, thanks a lot, guys. I'm
sure you're busy, so we'll let you go.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Thanks guys, thank you.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Okay, you guys, got anything to say about that?

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (27:06):
It just it makes me sick, you know, to think that.
But you know, the whole thing is people are always like, well,
we need to we need more energy here, well than
even energy. This is sure just mindy. But you know
when they talk about doing more uh you know resource
extraction on the north side of the Brooks Range in

(27:27):
the uh in the in the park there. Yeah, right, yeah,
it's like most of our resources now are exported. Sure,
people don't understand that, Like we have plenty we export it.
We don't. We're not always buying oil from some other

(27:47):
place to to you know, make our cars go. We
have plenty of it. We don't need to pump more
out of it. Like it's a reserve for a reason.
Let's keep it there until we really need it, you know,
for when it's like dire in this.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Case, like it's foreign mining companies, like it's it's.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Crazy, well, and there's this frantic need like we have
to do this now. We need to get these industries
going now. And when there's this push to get things
done so fast, you know, environmental protections aren't taken into consideration.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
Things are just they're jumping through hoops.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
And it it's you know, it's really a like reversal
in time of like we've seen the damage that mines
can do, yet we're so willing to just go right
back to this cause all this environmental damage without a
second look, just for you know, make the rich richer.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, there's no doubt there'll be a few Alaskans that
have some jobs there for a few years, you know,
and it could be twenty years of jobs. But like,
the real winners are not going to be Americans.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Nope, No, And and think about how much time they
would have to be spending cleaning up mine tailings, cleaning
up the water, cleaning up the land.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
The thing is is like like you can't like never
truly clean that stuff.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
No, it's there, it's it becomes part of the land.
And it's when you have a place like Alaska. It's
just such a shame that some people are so willing
to sacrifice that for the sake of the dollar.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yep, let's move on to something fun.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
That's right, let's get this. Let's get this thing that
our smiles turned around.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yep, we got an in house hot tip off contest.
We're going to do so you gotta fall along and
place your vote in the chat. Make it real easy
for Phil to figure out who the winner is.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, I'm not going to start a poll here as
soon as the tip offs end.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Before we get into it. If you've got a hot
tip off that's so hot, it has to be shared
with us because we do fan hot tip offs. Also,
send it to I think it's radio live at the
meat eater dot com. I think it might just be radio.
I might be radio.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I'm a horrible engineer of the show. But maybe the
producer Jacob Pipe or.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Send it to like info at the meat Eater. Someone
will get it at.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
The medeater dot com.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, send it to Jannas at the meadeater dot com.
DM it to Maggie on Instagram. Yeah, someone will get it.
But uh yeah, send us those we like. We like
doing those from the from the fans too, Phil, you
ready to see him up? Or Yeah, we've got some.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
We've got video tips from Brody and Janie and then
Maggie is going to do an in house hot tip off.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
I thought that's a students, so that's what I rolled with.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
No, Brody said I couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I didn't say it couldn't.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Well, anyways, depends.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
On like I couldn't have done mine that way.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, all right, let's watch the tips. Welcome to another
hot tip off. Tell us here. Here's my hot tip.
During the year, prepare for hunting season by making.

Speaker 9 (31:04):
Large amounts of things like chili, elk stew, breakfast sausage,
meat balls, cook meat.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
For barbecue sandwiches from a deer neck.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Bear beeria.

Speaker 7 (31:27):
Here's enough for three meals.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I want some.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
More slow cooked meat, more breakfast sausage. If you do
this and every time you have dinner, you just make
a little extra and vacuum seal it, put it in
your freezer, then it's time for hunting season. You just
throw all that stuff into the cooler, go to camp,
and dinners are pretty much done. All you gotta do
is reheat it, hit the grocery store, buy tortillas, some buns,

(31:57):
whatever you need. Makes life super easy and you get
to continue to be living the meat eater lifestyle and
eating game while you're hunting game for next year. So
there you go. Beat that hot tip off. Maggie and
Brodie hang aggressive. Note to future Yanni from past Yanni
shoot straight this week, Okay, aim for the top of

(32:20):
the heart.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Hell yeah, thanks, ming at you with a hot tip
from antalyp season here in Montana. My son just got
this buck like an hour ago, and we're ready to
take the head off of it. For years and years
when I was taking the head off of buck or
a bull, I would always come in from the top,
like back behind the ears and through all that heavy

(32:42):
muscle and tendon that's down here. And I learned that
if you flip them over and come in from the
throat down, it's just way easier, way faster. That you
come out right where you want, where the skull meets
the spine, and slip your knife right between the skull
and the spine, and it takes like less than half

(33:03):
the time of coming in from the top to just
go down cut through the the esophagus there and follow
those jaw muscles that are jaw bone down right there,
and you get through that stuff and you're there like
it's right there and you'll find, oh, Kenny, execute that.

(33:28):
If you get get it right, you can just.

Speaker 10 (33:32):
Cut kick it a little bit and you're right where
you're at and you're through just like that. Like it's
like fast, way faster than coming through all the heavy
muscle and tendon from the top.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
So that's your hot tip.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
You know about your hot tip, Brody, If you're getting
lymph nodes for CWD.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
You've already made that first cut. You're already right there.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah. I don't do the whole like skin in the
head and all that. When I take a skull or
take a head out. No, I'll leave all that stuff on.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
You do have to be careful though, cutting them that
close like that, because a lot some CWD test check
stations will be like, hey, you're a little tight. We
like to leave a little bit more neck on here.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
Well, Wyoming, you just have to get the lymph nodes out.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Can you bring them in personally?

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah? Yeah, all right, Maggie, let's let's hear yours.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
Oh okay, this.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
Is this is kind of a lukewarm tip, but uh
it was extremely convenient this year.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
Phil you got the picture up. Uh so processing my
elk this year.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Uh we just laid out butcher paper on my kitchen island,
and uh we could label all the pots and everything
because we've got like a grind pile, a jerky pile
of dog pile. So when you're shipping Miller lights, you
and you don't get them confused.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
Actually that's a high life.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
And uh it just made clean up really easy because
I don't have big enough cutting boards for a whole quarter,
so you could just kind of flop whole muscle groups there.
Get ready to clean it up a little more. And uh,
you know it's kind of a lame tip, but man,
it made clean up the breeze this year.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
You're not cutting on the table though, right.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
No, I mean I've got it's just like a walnut
butcher block, so I could if I wanted to, but
trying not to.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
Yah, patina it up that much.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
But I do the same thing but without the butcher paper.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, yep, just spray and white.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Well. See that's the thing I can't really because it's
an untreated butcher block, so I don't have a way
to like really disinfect it that well.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
Or it been like dish soap.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
You should just like rub a bunch of mineral oil
into that one.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Well, I keep doing it, but it's like not even
a year old, so.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
It does doesn't quite have like it's not quite there yet.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
I don't want to seem like I'm bagging on your
hot tip off. I think it's great.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
It's a good tip.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
It does make clean up super easy.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
It made clean up real easy.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Brody's tip is good too, he told me about it.
I forget when maybe on the youth hunt, and I've
used it on two different animals. Now you're going through
the same stuff as you would go from coming in
from the top.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
It's just easier to bind.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
But yeah, it's easier to find the gap that takes
you there.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Something about coming in from the top where you're just
not lined up right a lot of the.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Time, or I don't know, but I just think that, yeah,
the top, it just takes way more experience to like
hit the spot exactly right, because when I hit it
just right, I can do it that way fast too.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
And it's also like the way that the joints come together,
the skull and the spine coming to if you turn
it over and it's like they're coming apart, almost like
you stretch that throat out, and it's it's, you know,
like that. It's hard to explain, all right, I pull
his live everybody.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
I'll give you another thirty seconds or so and then
we'll call it.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
I remember that conversation because that was when I was
up here last time for me to to roast you
guys were talking.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
About that we were stick those antlers in the ground
or whatever layser just right.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
I like your tip too, Yannie, because I do that
all the time, just for my sanity, not even just
for hunting, Like I love having stuff ready to roll over.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
I'd like to just.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Roll that way all the time.

Speaker 5 (37:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, my wife would like it too.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
We use some of it throughout the year. But what
happens is the kids get overeaten something or you know,
they're like do again. And so this worked out perfectly
because you know, I had to cook for myself for
the next week and my dad and to have basically
seven or eight meals done, it's gonna make it easy.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Where'd you get that Burier recipe?

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Probably New York Times. I'm guessing you're going to try that.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
Have you? Have you gotten into the little freezer mold things,
a little square.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Things they do for baby food.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
I don't know that they used to be like ice
cube trays, but you can freeze like stock and stuff
and like a square thing and then you just stick
them in a freezer bag.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
Those are slick. That was going to be my other
hot tip option.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Now, no, where are we at with the voting?

Speaker 3 (38:17):
I will let you know right now. With twenty one
percent of the vote. In third place is Maggie Hudloaws.
But we have the Maggie has a lot of supporters.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
In the chat thanks chat.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, someone said that they've been doing it Maggie's way
for the last few years. Game changer, That's what he said.
But then the winner with forty four percent of the
vote is Brody Henderson.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Thank you every much to try this weekend. When you
kill a great big buck. If you're not going to
get it mounted, I'm just going to do a freedom ount. Well, Phil,
let's uh do some like questions and comments.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Sure it is.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
I have I've been book flagging, book barking all of
the cookbook submissions.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, but and we have.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
We have a few just straight up questions, but I
kind of have to like sort sort through them.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Here, I get it. Uh.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
And Andrew was in the med Eater store this morning
and saw Maggie in the wild and was starstruck. But
that just that just goes to show you that even
even our crew members go shop at the mediat store.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
Fort Hi, Andrew.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
I can't believe you didn't buy this one. Get this.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
I almost did, and then I thought we'd be matching
if I came.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
In was the luckiest hunting hat I've ever owned. Oh yeah, yeah,
I think like five or six big game animals have
fallen I've been wearing, so you like when you're going.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Hunt now, like you feel weird if you don't have
it on.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
I'm gonna wear it through the end of this season
and then I'll retire put it in the auction house
oddities or something. But I'm telling you, if you're having
a rough season right now, go order yourself. When he's
wired to hunt, buck ats.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
As what everybody wants is a stinky hunting hat.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Nathan still Will says, with the deer, I am putting
the rib meat into the grind for burger. How much
would you worry about having the fat tallow attached to
the meat going into the grind? Will it affect the
flavor or texture?

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I think it depends on the deer. Like a big
buck with a bunch of that tallow on the outside
of his chest, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Be a little waxy.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
I mean, I've gotten away from using that type of
meat in my I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it,
I am, but that rib meat is just full of gristle,
and the more gristle your burger has the shittier your
burger's going to be. I know people don't like sacrificing
like big hole muscle roasts off the ham or off

(40:48):
the shoulder, but like that's what I use for burger.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
It makes better burger.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, Like I would just save the ribs to cook.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
His ribs agreed, or de bone them and then chop
them up real small and make stew or any other
slow and low preparation like you would do with the
neck or the shanks, melt that stuff. Where that stuff
that you're like worrying about, how what to deal with
deal with it, and how it's gonna be negative to
your recipe. If you slow and low those ribs, it's

(41:19):
gonna it's gonna add to the flavor and the consistency
in the recipe.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
I mean he's specifically asking about fat and tallow. I
would get rid of as much of that as you can.
But you can't get rid of all that gristle that's
in the rib meat. You just can't.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Great, most of everything else has been cookbook stuff. But
I'm just gonna this is a phill question that Brody loves.
To John's asking if I'm playing Battlefield six. I am not,
but alex Plocta, who's our social guy who plays trivia occasionally,
is playing red SEC and we might play together soon.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
So that's fun. Oh you guys can have a little
video game play day now, John. I just rolled credits
on Hades two.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
I'm in the act three of Hollow Night Silk Song
and I'm playing Ghost of Yot, which I'm kind of
bouncing off of. I'm kind of phil I've got open
world fatigue. Yeah, Brody, what.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Maybe you're not willing to share because you don't want
to get attacked online? But what's your like online video
hand video game plan? Handle?

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Oh well, yeah, you don't have to.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
I'm not going to share it, Okay, you gotta tell me.
I shared it.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
I shared it once before on Ben O'Brien's old podcast,
and even then with with his smaller audience, I got
inundated with a bunch of requests from I'm sure find people,
but I like to have a clean free.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
We should run a contest to have people guess your handle.
Oh okay, I think some people do. All right. Is
that all for now?

Speaker 7 (42:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, that's all for now, but please send in some
more straight up questions for the end of the show,
because we're a little light on those.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Questions and a good reason you you need that their cookbook. Okay,
Next up, we are going to be checking in with
some around the country for some boots on the ground reports.
But before we get to them, I just want to
check in with you guys. Gianness. You got some exciting
stuff showing up on your trail cams.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
I wouldn't say exciting. It's kind of what you expect.
Deer movement, lots of deer movement, more daylight movement than
a month ago. It's not like the cams all Sunner
just lit up with you know, Boon and Crockett type bucks.
And I try to remind myself and my dad especially
a lot all the time, is that, like you can't

(43:34):
not make hunting decisions based on cameras. And we have
a lot of them, you know, we're you know, partners
with Boultrie, so basically have as many cameras I want
to run. There's probably two dozen of them out there
right now, but still deer walk behind them, they walk
sometimes in front of them and don't get their picture taken.
You just like I like them have them for like

(43:54):
a general inventory. I know where there's like a bunch
of dos are hanging out right now, which that's a
good thing to know for the rut, you know, like
where they're hanging out. So yeah, that's my trail cameraport.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Maggie said, you're you're not gonna be I'm not.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
But I have seen more mule deer running around. Yeah,
which is cool to see, except for you know, I
was driving up from Wyoming last night, so I was
driving pretty slow the whole way because I saw quite
a few deer running around, especially driving it.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
You know, I think the way to avoid them is
drive faster.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Yeah, take a look at my truck and then maybe
you consider that.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, I just I have one day of mule deer
hunting in this year. Just a few days ago, there
was some some small box four ki's that were like
hanging with those fought like getting their nose up near
the dose. But but it's just like that mule deer, right,
I feel lags behind the white tail rut a little bit.

(44:59):
I did have that big buck that was that was
checking a dough, but he was like not ruddy. He
was like, I'm gonna walk over there and see what's
going on? And then he walked away. So like I'm
hoping because I'm heading to Colorado, I'm hoping that it's
it's gonna start kicking off good. Let's check out the
actual in the field. Reports Phil.

Speaker 11 (45:22):
Hey Spencer new Arth bringing you a rut report from
November three. I am in eastern Montana hunting a place
that is almost exclusively mule deer, So that's the kind
of information you're getting from me. Last night I saw
thirty to forty muley doze broke up into like ten
different groups, and not a single one of them had

(45:43):
a buck with them. I think if it was a
week from now, two weeks from now, that would have
been a different story. But clearly the mulis out here
are not at a stage in the rut where they
dos are getting too harassed quite yet, Otherwise I would
have seen it last night. This morning I saw a
bachelor group of three bucks together. They were leaving an

(46:07):
egg field headed to bad right at about shooting light,
and those three bucks seemed kind of irritated with each other.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
A couple of them.

Speaker 11 (46:16):
Postured, looked like they were going to lock antlers. At
one point, a different buck I saw him rubbing his
antlers thrashing around in one of those draws, and one
of those bucks I killed right at sunrise, and I'll
go show him to you in the back of my
pickup here right now.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Here he is.

Speaker 11 (46:35):
I was doing that rot report from inside of my
truck because it is so damn windy out here, and
I care about our listeners. This buck was the biggest
buck in that bachelor group. And if I'd have been
out here a week later, he might have been in
a different county because he seemed like he was getting

(46:57):
amped up to chase some tail. All right, I will
be hosting Meat Eater Radio next week. I'll have more
on this story. Then back to you, Brody, nice buck.

Speaker 7 (47:09):
Nice Tony Peterson's got your rut report right here.

Speaker 12 (47:12):
As you can see, you should probably be in a
tree right now. Not a huge surprise, that is, it's
the first week of November.

Speaker 13 (47:18):
Put in all fairness, he killed it four minutes into
his first sit, so he has really no idea what's
going on.

Speaker 12 (47:23):
I did sit there for two extra hours.

Speaker 13 (47:25):
Afterward, right, did you see rud act like after you
were done hunting, did you observe any.

Speaker 12 (47:31):
I was drinking a Starbucks energy drinking, eating a protein bar,
and I did see a little buck come through cruising.

Speaker 7 (47:38):
He was rotting.

Speaker 12 (47:39):
This dude was looking. That dude was looking, and we
had does going between and they were not together. So
it was just like Bucks for Roman. Does were trying
to avoid him. But it's definitely even being sixty five
degrees seventy degrees today, they were going.

Speaker 7 (47:53):
I'll like to return to something in case people missed.

Speaker 13 (47:55):
It four minutes into his first set, right, but I
would like to I would like to wrap this up
by asking Steve what he was doing when I shot
this book.

Speaker 7 (48:07):
I was trying to help the deer heard by doing
some kyot work on November four, And that's why that
bunk was free to see who he was, you know.

Speaker 12 (48:14):
Right, because the real threat wasn't in the woods to
get out there.

Speaker 7 (48:19):
Oh you know what, Tony had found him on a
camera and his name was He might not have heard
it before. His name was old split times you put
an old old try split is what he should have been, right,
pretty derivative, dear name here. We didn't go too far
outside of the lines. I'm trying not to seem jealous.

(48:41):
Do I see him jealous Chilli, I seem good. I
seemed like I seem like I'm not like, I don't care, right,
I don't think a jealous man would go Kyle November four?
It was like I didn't know. I mean, who could
have foreseen that in November four?

Speaker 12 (48:55):
You should definitely not go to your tree stand and
go run a trap lane out on the moonscape and
the brass.

Speaker 7 (49:00):
Guy, I can see where you're coming from on.

Speaker 12 (49:02):
It anyway, get into a tree right now?

Speaker 7 (49:06):
Oh look, how didn't notice that he's been rubbing? Rubbing
big time?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
These guys need to work on their report and skills.

Speaker 7 (49:15):
East Nebraska. Rudd is running.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Before after?

Speaker 7 (49:24):
No?

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Is it over? Oh no, it's still going. It's one
wait before we go to the next one. I got
addendum to this one. Our buddy Pat was also out
there hunting with those guys. He got a buck as well.
So it's happening out.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
There and Steve's chasing coyotes.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
M hm, well now he's he's in a tree trying
to kill a deer.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Now, all right, back to the report. I don't think
we need to finish this one.

Speaker 14 (49:54):
What's up, meteor Live, I'm bear newkeom coming at you
with a report for the Southeast. I've been hunting a
lot the last two weeks, and I've really seen the
rut activity start to pick up the last couple of days.
The first chase I saw was the last couple days
of October. But this week I've seen two big shooter
bucks that I haven't seen before, both chasing doze. So

(50:18):
the rut, I would say, is coming into its peak
over here. Next week we've got a big cold front
coming and so i'd imagine that that will be probably
the peak of the rut. But I've been seeing a
lot of chasing. I've seen three or four chases alone
this week, and the big bucks are starting to come

(50:38):
out of the woodwork. But I'm switching over from food
sources right now, switching more to travel corridors and other
pinch points, and have been having a lot of luck
that way. There's also a few spots where I saw
a lot of does in the early season, and I
went into one of those spots the other day and
instantly got in on a chase. There are three box

(51:00):
chasing one do, so the rut is in full swing.
If there's ever a time to be out in the woods,
it's right now, So good luck to all of you
guys who are getting out there.

Speaker 15 (51:11):
Hello everybody, good morning from central Wisconsin, giving you a
little rust. Sitting at the breakfast table this morning, coming
up with a solid hunt plan for the next few days,
and I think I think we've got a good plan. Anyways,
what I've been seeing is a lot of the mature
dominant bucks have been pretty locked down on doughs, so

(51:32):
the ruts obviously happening right now. It's a good time
of year to be sitting all day. Once those bigger,
mature deer you know, get off that dough, they breeder,
they start looking for another one, they're going to be cruising.

Speaker 7 (51:46):
So what I'm.

Speaker 15 (51:46):
Focusing on is betting areas, so down wind side of
betting areas, pinch points between betting areas, and then also
in the evenings and mornings, transitions between you know, the
betting area and food. Wherever those doughs are going to be,
those bucks are going to be checking them out. So
be careful on the roads driving at night in Wisconsin.

(52:07):
You know, it's a hazard, so deer are running around.
Good luck to everybody, and I hope you get out there,
and I hope you shoot a big buck.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
What acuting there?

Speaker 4 (52:21):
You have?

Speaker 2 (52:22):
It sounds like things are happening. Does that get you
real excited? You're honest?

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Uh, you know, I was kind of joking about being
here for the rut report. The thing about a rut
report is like it's never gonna change because what one
person sees doesn't really make a difference. What you could
be the next ridge over, next valley over, county over,
it could be a completely different thing, just depending on
if you're where the hot dough is or not right

(52:50):
or Chester there has got some cool video like he's
been in them, Like they obviously have a hot dough
that these bucks are around. But like Mark, is it
a great podcasts with about like what science says about
the rut? And those fawns are all they try to
be all born, or I should say their moms all

(53:12):
try to give birds sure on the same day so
that they have the fauns have the best chance of survive.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
It's called predators.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Well that's one reason, but the other reason too is
that like if it's Memorial Day, which is from like Pennsylvania,
just take that latinitude on the line across the Midwest,
like you have the most food on the ground.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
They try to time it with the green up.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yeah, so you don't want to be too early because
you don't have enough food. It can you can still
be get some cold nights and you could die when
you're only weigh two pounds, you know, as a deer.
And so like the peak breeding is going to always
be sure, it just might happen at night or that
gestation period before you know whatever that is two hundred

(53:54):
some days before Memorial Day, right, So it's fun to
hear about what people are seeing and what's happening. But
every single year for the rest of our lives across
like the Midwest, right like roughly November one to November fifteenth, twentieth,
it's gonna be pretty good hunting.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Yeah, but you know, it's it's good to know what's
going on around some different areas.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Yeah, it's fun. Like I said, it's entertaining.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
It's about the hype, yep, I'm hyped the Obviously we're
in the hard of hunting season here, so we're gonna
we're gonna share some recent crew hunt stories. No, boy, Maggie,
what do you got?

Speaker 5 (54:39):
Oh yeah, I U I was zel hunting this year,
and uh, I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Pull up the pictures, Maggie.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Is that not something you do every year?

Speaker 5 (54:48):
I mean it is. So I kind of been like
year on year off for the health reasons.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
So like last year, I was just U I was
packing out, so I was I was hunting, I just
wasn't pulling the trigger because my eyeballs were messed up, right,
But so yeah, this year it was my turn to
pull the trigger. And we had a real slow October.

(55:17):
We hunted every weekend in October and did not have
a single opportunity to show it.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Now, the thing about Wyoming is their rifle season starts
like October first. Yeah, they're still rutting, you know.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Well they're real high up too, and we don't have
pack animals or nothing, so and I just had a
general tag. So we're kind of hopping around because it's
like one place will be open for a couple of
weeks for bull and then another place will and so
it's like sort of just hopped around for where we
could hunt because I was like, you know, I'd like

(55:50):
to shoot a bull if I can, I'd be cool.
You know, It's I'm a meat hunter. But I also
can't help it that I want to shoot something with horns.
So I think we ended up hunting four different areas
in total, and uh, this last one was like, all right,

(56:10):
there's a cold front coming in, feeling good about it,
We're gonna hunt this new spot. We were scouting out
on Onyx and like we're both from the area, so
we're pretty familiar with you know, where to go. It's
just a matter of where there's gonna be people, where
there's gonna be elk, and so uh.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Usually there were where the people aren't.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
Yeah, yeah, and that was we got pretty lucky.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
We uh we saw these elk first thing in the morning,
but it was just dumping snow and it was like
they were like five hundred yards away. So we were
just kind of chomping around falling tracks all day, like trying.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
To saw a bunch of elk, but then didn't go
after them.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Well we did, but they we just we kind of
lost them in the timber we we were we were
trying to get after him. We eventually got back to
those elk. It was the same It was the same
group where I shot that bull at like three o'clock
that afternoon, So It was just a matter of like

(57:15):
looping around, crawling around in some downfall hell holes, and
finally coming back to an open meadow where we could
get to him.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Were you tracking him in the snow or just looking
for him?

Speaker 4 (57:29):
It was both, and then we had a pretty good
idea of where they'd be. We kind of gave him
some time in the afternoon, went on a little side quest,
saw some real big bull tracks, and I was getting
it really excited. We were going to see a bigger elk,
which we didn't, but I'm still happy to shoot little

(57:51):
four by five elk.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
He's real tasty.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Listen, those young bulls are the ones.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
O my gosh, young bulls. I don't think anything can
top it.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
You're rolling the dice with those cows. Man, they could
be like feen years old.

Speaker 5 (58:06):
Yeah, I totally.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
I was just explaining that to my mom, like just
the other night. I was like, I don't know, I
feel like I'm kind of a cougar hunter, Mom, I
like the young bulls.

Speaker 5 (58:23):
And then oh that's Bill. That's uh, that's my bird dog.

Speaker 8 (58:26):
Bill.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
He's happy, he is, he's ready to spend some time,
and he got to fetch like one duck that day.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
We were kind of just tramping around.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
It was a quick morning hunt because we had an
elk to cut up that afternoon.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Uh, we just wanted to get him out.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
So Bill is happy to get some elk scraps and
happy to be be the star of the show from
here on out.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
Nice work, Maggie, Thanks, it was a fun hunt. Oh
I forgot.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
I brought you guys a little treat milk jerky from
my bowl. But I've been told it is not a
fun auditory experience to listen to people eat jerky.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
I eat jerky and tell my hunting stories at the
same time.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
We'll save it for after the show.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
But uh, I mean, I don't give a show I'm
looking for.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
I'm looking forward to trying.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
If you haven't tried, uh, Danielle Prue Its smoked venison
jerky recipes.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
It's heavy on the smoke.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
It's uh it's my go to favorite and it's it's
worth trying out.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
I tweak it a little bit, but we'll try.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
It here in a few minutes. Yeah, your honest letters
hungry all right.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
I started with this first slide because, uh, it turns
out this is my biggest bull to date. Bow or rifle. Yeah, Yehnie,
and UH didn't really know what I had until I
walked upon him and found him. Uh so, yeah, that's
exciting Corey. Uh, it's taped him for me the other day,
three ten inches on the dot. He's pretty stoked. Next

(01:00:00):
picture shows Uh, speaking of eating bulls, the backstrap was
very surprised. I've actually sort of reorganized my freezer and
my plant because I've got a lot of meat this year, caribou, deer,
lots of deer with the kids shooting deer, this bull,
and I was gonna give away a lot of elk steaks,

(01:00:20):
but this bull is eating extremely well, Like even the
hind quarter steaks have been very tender, just delicious. So
I'm actually starting to hoard this bull's meat a little
bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Well you can like you can keep that Like people
think it's like a year, Like you could be eating
that bull three years from now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Oh for sure, for sure. Let's see. Next there's a
buck of gott in Idaho. Whatever. Nice buck.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Fun hunt.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
What made it super fun was hanging out with our
buddy Max Barda, who you can see in the next photo.
Oh no, we had We had an awesome tent site
where you could literally glass for bucks right out of
the tent door. S Yeah, there was a little bit
of snow up high and it was not That was
kind of probably the last camping trip of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
We got to spend three nights on the mountain.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Packed some pizza in there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, well we made we made a pit stop on
the drive down and we were having some pizza and
I'm like, you know what, let's add a uh, let's
add a few more slices to this order and then
we can have some in the mountains. So we packed
some up in the into the mountains with us, and uh, yeah,
it was great to share a week with Max. All right,
here's here's the exciting stuff. Here's youth hunt with my daughters.

(01:01:38):
We are three hundred fifty yards maybe a little bit
less from a betted buck. Mabel was the one to
be shooting. Mabel laid there on that on that buck
for nine hours. We got there on to that spot
right there at ten am. That buck never stood up.
We yelled at it. Aina, my other daughter shot bullets

(01:02:00):
ten feet long. Nine hours really ten ten to What
time did you get dark out there?

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
I don't think it was that like but a lot. Yeah,
eight hours maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Well ten to six would be eight. I guess, all right,
eight hours.

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
Long time and she's like staring through the scope.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yeah, on a bettered buck. And the one thing Brody
later told me I should have tried is to I
didn't have with me. But I'll get to that fawn
and distress that. Oh Brody's gonna talk about it anyways.
Uh yeah. The next slide shows that when you're waiting
for eight hours on a buck, it takes some masks.
My girls have become extremely good at napping because they're

(01:02:41):
both napping. I'm like, who's watching the deer? To stand
up you?

Speaker 7 (01:02:46):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Did you guys have the sun? I'll gladly do it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Did that sun get behind you? Like you weren't having
to stare into the sun to watch that buck? No,
that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
No, No, we're looking kind of doo east actually, so
I got behind us for sure. And then let's see,
was that it for all my pictures?

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
That was it?

Speaker 10 (01:03:03):
That was it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Okay? Oh well, I was gonna mention last night Mabel,
who did not get a shot off that day. We
went on a hunt last night to a very target
rich environment not far from Bosman a lot of white
tail deer, she kind of I asked her. I thought
this was a clever answer. I said, are you gonna
shoot the first box that comes out? Which I thought

(01:03:25):
she would say, yes, you know, to be successful, put
some meat down. She goes, uh, depends on what he
looks like. So then we had to look over. We
had to look over. We literally saw more deer yesterday
than I'll see on on my entire Wisconsin hunt. I mean,
I don't know. We saw probably close to one hundred
white tail deer and multiple bucks that we were like, okay,

(01:03:48):
too small, small to medium, two medium, little, getting a
little bit better than we finally got. We saw a
few that were like big enough and they the one
big enough buck came to us, got to within two hundred,
like with twenty minutes of light left, and we were
like safety off, ready to shoot him. And that sucker
had been feeding all evening, not running doughs, nothing up

(01:04:12):
until that point, like just out of range. And then
once he like came into range within the doors, he
just got full on ruddy and he would not stand
still long enough for an eleven year old to make
the shop and It was funny because I was like
talking her through the whole time. I'm like, Okay, he's
the one facing left, he's the one facing right, he's
running right. He's got dough behind him now, And all

(01:04:34):
the time she's like, yeah, okay, I'm on this. I'm
on the right buck. I'm on the right buck. Okay,
he's got a dough going right to left behind him. Yep,
I'm on the buck. I'm on the buck. And then
as light was fading and they were getting a little
bit farther away from us, I could like hear her
answers and her voice starting to crack a little bit,
as in like, oh, I know it's not gonna happen tonight.

(01:04:55):
I'm going home, bucklest I gotta tell the story about
not shooting one. And then multiple times she's like I
think I'm looking at him, but there's also some grass
and like I want to be sure, And I'm like, yeah,
you can't shoot if you're not sure. You know, you
gotta be sure, And so we had that a bunch.
So anyways, it's like, it would have been great to
kill a buck last night, But at the same time,

(01:05:17):
I'm like, she's killed I guess she's only killed one
other bucks. She's got three dollars. Now, it's all been
pretty easy form, right. It's good to have a couple
of hunts where she's just having to work for it
and not have just success just laid in her lap.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Again, Definitely, definitely she'll get one this season. I guess
that leads me, Phil, Can you pull up the antelope
one first? This is my kid Hayden. This was opening
day of antelope season. The reason like, he shot an antelope, four,

(01:05:51):
he shot bucks, he shot a elk, like the kids
killed some animals. The reason I'm showing this picture is
because this year I kind of decided I was going
to let him make most of the the decisions, like
on how the hunt went. And it started like at
first light, like we were parked on a high spot
on a road to glass as you do for antelope,

(01:06:13):
and I was like, let's check what would be the
north side of the road, because we had in the
passing a lot of antelope in that zone. And he's like, no,
we should glass the south side of the road first,
because pretty soon we will be staring into the sun
over there and we won't be able to glass it.
I was like, man, kid's got a point. So we

(01:06:34):
like hike in in low ways, get on a knob,
start classing, and he found five antelope like within minutes,
and I was like, it's great. There's a like I
couldn't I couldn't tell if like with my eyes and
it wasn't like quite you know, light light yet if
there was a buck or not. But he's and he's

(01:06:55):
just freehanding a pair of those Siga image State one.
He's like one of us buck like cool. But and
I was like, we can't. There's like no way we
can't go straight at him, like they're gonna see us,
you know. So I'm like, what do you think we
should do? And he's looking around and he picks a
route like a circular, you know, half circle route around

(01:07:18):
like sounds good to me. And we kind of eventually
get up into that zone near where they were. We
had a little like pointy like dirt mound kind of
thing we're using as a landmark, and man, we got
in there and it's just like where are they? Because
you get in that antelope stuff and it's broken and
there you realize that they were in a low spot.

(01:07:38):
You couldn't really tell from the road. And We're sitting
there for a while and I was like, man, I
think we should like creep forward like fifty yards and
get a look into that low spot. He's like, no,
let's stay here. Sure enough, a few minutes later, we
see some ears and some horns and uh. Eventually they
feed up out of that low spot and I'm like

(01:08:02):
two fifty and you know, he took care of everything else.
It was cool because it was like, really like his
hunt for the Yeah, for the first time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Yeah, sounds like from the at least the details that
you shared that you might just want to let him
continue to do that, start guiding you a little bit,
look in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
The right direction, exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
I like that you are doing that with him, because
I told both my girls too. At the end of
this year's youth Hunt, I'm like, next year, I'm not glassing.
I'm I'm in glass because I like the glass, and
I'll be like, oh, I see some bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Find them.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
But yeah, I'm like, you guys are gonna have to
find them, yeah, because otherwise they just like they like
to hang out while dad's glassing up the critters. Yeah,
and now I'm gonna I'm gonna make them find the
fine deer.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Yep, we can do the next one there, Phil, all right,
that's my younger son.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
This year he turned ten, so he first year he's
able to hunt in Montana. And you know, same thing,
youth hunt. We do a youth hunt together a group
of us, and this was opening morning, and he definitely
wasn't like looking for my other kid was looking for

(01:09:16):
a big one, the one that got the antelope. But Conley,
the younger one, was like any buck. And we went
kind of in a zone we had hunted in years past,
and his brother was a little bummed because that was
like his brother's zone. But just me and Conley went
in there and it was windy and cold that morning.

(01:09:39):
He was suffering a little bit while while we're glassing around,
and things calmed down, like maybe an hour after shooting
l like eight thirty, it kind of got a little warmer,
the wind calmed down, and I glassed up two little
teeny bucks, like one of them might have been a forky,
the other one was probably a spike. But it was like,

(01:10:01):
all right, it's on, let's go, And we had to
kind of hustle down this drainage to get into shooting position,
and these two bucks were like oblivious to what was
going on. We were out in the open and they
just weren't looking our direction. And I got conly set
up for a cross candying shot that was a little
over three hundred, and you know, get him. He's laying down,

(01:10:24):
he's shooting off a bipod and kaboom, Like I say,
are you steady? All that stuff. We go through the
whole thing and he lets one fly and misses, and
one of the bucks continues to stand there. The other
one runs. I was pretty sure he had missed, but
the other one ran in a way that I was like,

(01:10:45):
we got a check. We went down there and he's like,
can I shoot it the other one? It's like, nobody,
We got to make sure you didn't hit the first one.
So we went in there and we spent a good
thirty to forty five minutes looking for blood and hair nothing,
and he was down man like bummed out first first opportunity.

(01:11:07):
He was definitely like bummed, like no tears, but like close,
you know. And I was like, man, we gotta both
hold it together and just go find another one. And
an hour later we found a buck betted down and
the train laid out nicely for us to get set up,

(01:11:28):
but it was still three hundred yards and he was
bedded like on a timbered hillside. And I forgot to
mention that. Earlier that morning, when we had first sat
down to start glassing, we'd heard some like hooting and
hollering way off in the distance, and well, Conley was like,
is that a coyote? And I was like, man, I

(01:11:49):
don't like I think it was people. And the first
thing that came to mind is like, there might be
some cowboys in here, because there's cattle in the area
we're hunting. Anyway, we're laid down on this buck. He
dry fires on it a couple times, like he's comfortable,
he's solid, everything's looking good. And I tell him, like,
we might have to lay here for a while, you know,

(01:12:11):
before he stands up and he's cool with it. And
then we hear that hooting and hollering again, and I
look off that direction and maybe a thousand yards away,
here comes two cowboys with a couple of dogs pushing
some cows, and I like know that zone well enough
to know where they are, that that cattle trail is

(01:12:32):
going to go right under that buck, like right under him,
and I'm like, oh my god, really, like what do
we do here? And I told Conley, I was like,
we can lay here and see if that buck just
lets them go underneath him and nothing happens, which and
I was like, I think the buck's gonna spook because
they're gonna get too close to him. Or I can

(01:12:56):
hit this fond this fond bleat real loud a couple
times and try and get him to stand up. There's
a chance like he could run, but there's a good
chance he'll stand up. And he didn't even think about it.
He's like hit the bond bleek like I don't want
the horses running underneath that deer.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
And I did it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
The buck stood up. I was like, are you solid aim,
you know? And ten seconds later, boom he kills the buck.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
Nice yeah, And then like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
The cowboys were out of sight. They had to cross
this draw. But I was like, Conley, we're gonna like
walk over that direction and talk to him before we
go look for your buck. And we went over there
as young couple, very nice. I was like, you know,
he just shot. They're like we heard the shot. Hope
you get I mean, and then the guy's like, did
you see any cows down the hill? I was like, yeah,

(01:13:46):
there's a bunch down there. So they just took off
and look for their cows. We went up there and
found the buck and it was all smiles. You know,
it's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Heck, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was fired up.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Yeah, that's great. All right, thanks for listening to our stories, guys.
It's always fun to fun to talk hunting. We're gonna
move on to the cookbook box set contest here. If
you don't know about this thing, can you see that thing, Phil,
I'll move it over there we go. If you don't

(01:14:19):
know about this is like a special edition, kind of
limited run. We didn't print a million of these things.
It's got both of our cookbooks in it, the original
Media to Cookbook, Fishing Game Cookbook and the Outdoor Cookbook,
their paperback, which is kind of nice. You can fit
them both in there. It's a really good Christmas gift. Uh,

(01:14:43):
pretty economical way to get both of them. You can
pre order them now if you really want to. They
go on sale next Tuesday. If you want a signed
copy like this, when we've got a limited number of them,
that only available on the website or you can you
can our two retail locations in Bozeman and Milwaukee also

(01:15:07):
have some, so you could pick one up there, but
not until Tuesday when the book releases. You got anything
to say, you honest about like these two cookbooks? Making
of them? What you think about favorite meals, recipes, anything
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
There are a lot of fun to make. Yeah, it's
always a fun project. Yeah, especially because we plan them
not in the hunting season, which is smart of us.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Yep, get to eat a lot of food.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
The one I keep going back to in the original
cookbook is the fish stew.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
I love that recipe. We got a bunch of hal
but now which tends.

Speaker 7 (01:15:44):
To do very well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Is it a chowder? I can't remember. Yeah, I mean
it's kind of one of the same and well, no,
it's doing chowder are the same thing?

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
I think chowder is like creamy yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Oh yeah, it's got creamy yeah yeah. I feel like
we call it fish stew in the book. Anyways, Yeah,
no matter, get the book, try it out. It's a
good one.

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
Is the recipe in there?

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Oh yeah? The original is the original that started a
nationwide osubuko movement.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
I feel like, yeah, save your damn shanks, folks.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yep, drown that thing in some red wine for several
Hell yeah, yeah, they're They're both great a lot of
like the original for like Beginner Hunters, Wild Game Chefs
like it's got great butcher and tips, fantastic butcher and tips.
The Outdoor cookbooks got some great like gear and equipment information.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
You love them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
But let's move on, philed to see if we can
actually pick a winner.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Okay, yes, I'm just gonna rapid fire through a bunch
of these and then you guys just kind of flag
them in your head. By far the most the answer
that came up the most was that my my wife
or my girlfriend thinks my cooking is terrible and this
would help me. There were so many of those that
I don't think I picked any of them. You guys,
step up your game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Yeah, you guys are gonna have to buy this thing. Sorry, yeah, sorry,
let's see.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Okay, I'm just gonna run through these, welcome, says Brodie.
If I win, I will put the recipes into the
fall menu of the kitchen I manage?

Speaker 5 (01:17:20):
Is that a copyright?

Speaker 7 (01:17:21):
All?

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
That was gonna be my next question. Also you can't
do that with Wild Game if it's like a restaurant kitchen.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure he's just talking about the recipes anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Okay, yeh, that's gonna be ay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Ben says, need a new recipe for my tag tag
soups getting a little stale. Kevin says, my seven year
old daughter's favorite show to watch together as a mediator
in your favorite way of helping in the kitchen is
cooking Wild Game with me. Having these cookbooks would give
us infinite memory getting better mogre our, Dude, why should
I win this book because I've already cleared shelf space
and trained my cat to turn pages. I don't win,

(01:17:57):
I'll be forced to read cereal boxes again. Don't let
that happen.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Where live like shipping this thing to him?

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
It could be expensive, let's see, Brian says, contingency plan
for acquiring the cookbook filled you accept bribes?

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
My venmo is Phil Taylor six. Let's see it won't
chair his video game handle those? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Duh, Ethan, anytime I cook Wild Game, I truly feel
like I'm disrespecting my harvest unless I'm using one of
Stee's recipes. No, others come close. Just ask my wife
how many times I've said this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
They like, that's sucking up a little bit. Yeah, a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Uh speaking of sucking up or well that sounds mean
I'm just gonna read it.

Speaker 9 (01:18:37):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Ritzman says, I'm a young adult who recently got married,
had my first baby, and I'm hunting, butchering and cooking
solo for the first time in my life. And then
he's got a part two. My dad was my mentor
for years, but a devastating shattered pelvis left left him
unable to keep up the tradition. The cookbooks would be
one more arrow in my quiver and bringing the hunt
tradition in to my family. Another one from Brian, He

(01:18:59):
says ax Barta would want the cookbook to go to
his favorite native North Dakota.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Brian.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
When Max wins a game of trivia, I will send
you so many cookbooks.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
There you go. To be honest, you're getting excited about
any of these? Not really?

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Yeah, apologies, I flagged the flagged the ones that that
that's jumped out to me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Remember Brody, I was looking for entertainment, I know, entertaining.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
But there's a guy named Adam who has been just
typing out verses from the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
and replacing random words with cookbook. I'm not going to
select yours, Adam, but you're gonna love the Meat Eater
podcast on Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Stay tuned, Phil, We gotta find a winner here. This
is dragging on too.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Listen, you guys. You guys can can jump into the chat. Honestly,
out of all of them. When Mogors popped up, I
was like, I thought that he would just take it
because it was funny.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
We love Mogor.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Yeah, we'll get it. We'll ship it to me.

Speaker 5 (01:19:53):
There was one that kind of made me laugh, but
it was just how it was written, and it's this is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
My favorite one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
And I'm not going to put on the screen because
of the profanity, but I will read it and censor it.
Steven says cookbook. I don't want or deserve no stinking cookbook,
but an fed up truck calendar that I deserve. I
deserved an f up anything for that matter. That's from Steven.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
All right, well, let's do this. Mogor gets the book
and Steven gets the calendar.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Sounds good too.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
How's that? No, Mogor send uh, don't send your address
and stuff to me, send it to.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
Like the radio at the meat eater dot com, which
is the correct email address.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
There we go. All right, we got any other like comments.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
But I've got a plane to catch soon, so let's
wrap this baby up.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
How about that? All right, we'll shut you guys down.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
We'll have I mean, this is already on the longer
side of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
We'll see you next week. Thank you, Thanks everybody for
tuning in and get out there in the woods of
the ruts on take it easy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Thanks guys. Bite

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