Almost Famous OG: A Solid Gold Ending with Theresa Nist

Trista and Theresa Nist recap Mel's Golden Bachelor finale and AFR! Theresa brings her own unique perspective to the promise of commitment, and Trista gives her unfiltered opinion on how Cindy was treated!

Do the ladies think "MEG" will go the distance??

Plus, Theresa gets candid on some of Trista's burning questions. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the almost famous podcast with iHeartRadio. Hey everybody,
it's the almost famous OG's podcast. This is Trista and today. Wow,
we have a lot to talk about the Golden Bachelor
season two finale and AFR was just last night. I

(00:22):
don't know when this episode is coming out, but it
was recent. I could not think of anyone. I actually
couldn't think of anyone better to recap the episode with
and discuss all of what happened on Golden Bachelor Season one.
Please welcome Teresa Nist. All right, So, Teresa, you were
there in the audience last night, and I assume because

(00:44):
you were in the audience that you watched the whole season.
What were your overall thoughts?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yes, I watched the whole season. I will say that
this season was so different from season one, and I
was trying to try to understand why, and I think
it was that we were so emotionally involved with season
one and why not. Only I know that there was
loss on this one and that's very sad, but on ours,

(01:13):
not only did the lead lose his wife, but there
was so many women who lost their spouses and Leslie
lost her dad. And I was when I came home.
I was watching the episode and I was blown away
because if you'll recall, it starts out where there's complete silence,
and then Gary puts in his hearing aid and then

(01:34):
they have Kat Stevens the wind and it's phenomenal and
it immediately like sucks you in. And so the lead
was emotional. The whole experience was just emotional. So this
one it just it just seemed like Mel was very guarded,
and I think that's a popular opinion that he held

(01:55):
so much in and he wasn't as vulnerable as he
could have been.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Totally agree. That is such a good way to put it.
Your season was emotional. There was emotion in it, you know,
like we were all emotional going along for the ride
and knowing that Gary had lost his wife and you
know so many people had as well and went through
all of you know, all of these ups and downs.

(02:22):
You're so right. That definitely puts a lot in perspective
for me because I have been thinking about what was missing,
and that is a great way, great way to put it.
He was very guarden and I think we were just
talking about this before you came on or before we
opened up that I think now after talking to Heather,

(02:47):
our producer, that he was so guarded because he spoke
before the show even started about how he wanted to
have you know, women forty five to sixty on that podcast,
and I think because there was such a lash, you know,
people were were not happy with that statement. I think

(03:11):
he because he said something and he was like, oh,
I can't say exactly what's on my mind because it
will be used against me.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
You are so right, So he was so afraid to
say anything. You're right, trus yes, So he was censoring everything.
He was saying, my gosh, don't say that, even if
I'm thinking that that's the wrong thing to say.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, oh, I think he was really And I do
empathize with that or sympathize with that because for my season,
you know, being the first bachelorette, I had a lot
of press, you know, saying, oh, she's going to look
like a slut and you know she's going to come

(03:55):
across as a whore because it's her in twenty five
guys instead of one guy twenty five girls, which I'm like, whatever, Wow. Anyway,
so I was called every name in the book, and
I think I went into it and did the opposite
and was like, I'm not gonna kiss anybody like right
out the gate, you know, I'm gonna try to try
to be aged. And I feel like in a way,

(04:19):
I was definitely guarded in terms of like being physical
with people and it just took more time, which was fine.
Obviously it all worked out for me. But I think
it makes sense why if something happens like that, you
feel like, oh crap, I can't I can't truly speak

(04:39):
from the heart because I might get myself in trouble,
you know.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
To start the whole thing. And maybe he looked at
what Gary did, like Gary said I love you to
so many women, and maybe he made a promise to
himself in the beginning to say I'm not saying that,
I'm not doing that. I'm going to keep it for
the end. So there could be so many things going
through his mind and censoring himself. And so you're right,

(05:06):
I didn't think of your perspective.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
But it's also interesting because I don't know that he
thinks that he censored himself.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Hmmm, Yeah, I think you're right, Like he wouldn't. He
probably wouldn't agree with.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
That because I don't think he would.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, he probably thought that he had this really open
mind and an open heart, but we see him as
very guarded. It almost seems sometimes like he's there against
his will, like I'm just not going to go along
with the program. And so I am sure a great
sense of humor. I'm sure that he's much more energetic
than he came across, and that's what's going on here.

(05:43):
So it's too bad that happened. And I'm sorry that
happened to him, and he was, you know, just speaking.
You probably thought no one was going to hear that,
and maybe he really truly didn't know what the age
parameters were. He didn't know that, so.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I do feel like also he
should have been like smacked on the back of the
hand for that, because it's not you know, when you're
going into the Golden Bachelor and we're talking about women
in their golden years and people like you and Leslie
and all the people from this season and all the
people from last season, like you shouldn't be you should

(06:20):
be put in your place if you're an agist, you know,
Like I think it was right that people felt, I mean,
please all of the women, pretty much, every single one
of them, when they came out of the limo, they
said something to him about that comment. So I feel
like he should have been put in his place because

(06:40):
that was not appropriate. But I think he got a
lesson real quick in needing to think about what you say.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
No, I say it right. I think enough of the
women said something and then he was roasted, so I
think he paid his yeares.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yes, yes, yes, agreed. Okay, So were you surprised about
anything that happened during the finale.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, I was surprised that they asked Gary for his opinion,
so just kidding. No, honestly, it's my opinion than no.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
No, hey, hey, you have every right to see that girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I would think that maybe I was surprised by Cindy
saying like backing out, but you know what, I was
more surprised by after she backs out. I think the
whole audience is feeling sorry for Peg. Oh my god,
she's there now by default, poor Peg. And I think
they handled that so well. They didn't make it.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
You think Mel handled it well, okay, and Peg got it.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Right, and that it seemed to be she was meant
to be there and it wasn't by default whatsoever. Because
I think the whole audience may have been afraid that
that's what the feeling would be and it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree with that. I am very
very happy for peg. I love her and I have
never met her. I loved her on the show, and
everyone deserves love. I just have to say, and I
am definitely interested to get your thoughts, especially because I
want to hear how the audience reacted. But what went

(08:22):
down with Cindy just did not vibe well with me
at all.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, I felt the same way you mean, you mean
from Mel's perspective.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yes, for what he did, Like I you know, she
on the beach on the dock, you know, she's saying,
you know, I envisioned us committing to each other. You know,
she was talking about how she was going to move
to move to California and leave Austin, even though she's

(08:56):
got her girls there and you know, really come to
him and even get her own place. Like it wasn't
like a pressure situation and he couldn't give her that.
And then when they were on stage, I felt like
he was just talking in circles and like blaming her

(09:16):
for the fact that she left, but the fact that
she left. In my mind, she left because he was
not giving her what she felt like she needed. And
when she said, sorry, I'm talking so much, I'm just
so rived up about the episode. So when she said

(09:37):
that she wanted a guy to be hit by lightning
when or something like that, she wanted her guy to
feel like so excited to see her and like hit
by lightning and so excited about their relationship and in
love with her. You know, that's what all of us want,

(09:57):
right exactly, That's.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
What we all want. But it could have been that
he decided in his mind that there was no way
he was going to let that loose until the end.
And I think in his mind, and I know, and
I'm totally feeling what you're feeling, and she and I
do totally agree with her that that was She went
into this earnestly thinking that that was the end goal,

(10:21):
that they were going to get engaged, and she was
ready to do it. And he's saying, no, not necessarily.
I don't think that there's necessarily a wedding or a
marriage at the end, but who knows. I'd like to
think who knows what would have happened if they went
into the fantasy suite where he could have been himself,
and you don't know if at the end he would
have been blown away and said, I love you, I

(10:43):
love you so much, I want to marry you. I
do want to marry you, and that would have been
that could have happened. So but she decided she wasn't
seeing that enough at that point in the progression of
the relationship, and she didn't. He wanted to see it through,
you know, he wanted he needed both fantasy suites, both

(11:03):
behind doors, to get that real conversation. And I think
he felt cheated out of it, but she wasn't feeling
it ahead of time. So they're both valid in their feelings,
and she has every right to feel that this she
was somewhat maybe deceived, like I expected that there would

(11:23):
be a commitment and a marriage and a wedding at
the end of this, and especially an engagement. But in
his mind, no, not necessarily. And again I have to say,
was he deterred by what happened on a previous season?
Did that happen to him? Did he say, I don't
want that to happen to me, so I don't want
to make any promises. I can't keep and I really

(11:47):
do think perhaps if she had just let things go
naturally the way that you should have progressed, it might
have worked out. But then again, I don't blame her
for taking that stand and feeling the way she did
and and saying what she said, and that was right
for her, and that was true for her, and so
she left, and I felt that he thought there was

(12:09):
no way I could get her back. She was very determined,
and maybe he also did want to be rejected twice too,
not up.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Doom may Yeah, yeah, true. No. I just feel like, yes,
she said no, but part of me thinks that she
didn't just say no because he didn't want the commitment
in the end that she was looking for. I think
also it seemed like on that doc that she was

(12:40):
looking for anything from him to say, I am excited
about our potential future, you know, like he was giving her,
at least from what we saw, because so much of
it ends up on the cutting room floor. At least
from what we saw, it did not seem like he
was giving her any validation that that she was a

(13:06):
potential person at the end for him, Do you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Absolutely, I do agree with you that he showed her nothing,
and I really and I'm thinking it could have been
that that he was holding it back for the fantasy
suites or end, for the end. It almost seemed like
he really did make a promise to himself that he
wasn't going to say anything. He wasn't going to say
I love you to anyone, and he was afraid. So

(13:29):
what if what if he had done that? What if
he had said I'm nuts about you, I think I
think the world of you, then that would have looked
like he made a decision that it was I get it.
So to think back on anything else any other season
and when there were two, So there's a Golden Bachelor
and a Golden Bachelorette, So what happened on the house?

(13:50):
So in the Golden Bachelor it was said, you know, so, yeah,
how did that end up?

Speaker 1 (13:56):
But so I thought this and are my producer are
just uh confirmed it for me? He didn't watch the
shows previously.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Oh he didn't, so okay, so throw that out the window.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, he doesn't know anything of your history or of
Jones at least I'm sure maybe he knows what happened
in the end, but he did not watch the show.
So I don't. I don't believe that he knows that
Gary was you know, telling multiple people, but I you know,
I just feel like with Cindy going back to it

(14:30):
just for one last time, I feel like when you
don't get that validation, then you're like, well, why should
I be here anyway? Like what's going to change? If
you're not giving me any kind of validation, then why
should I? Why should I go to the fantasy sweet
Like I don't want I don't want to be in
the room with you anymore if you're not even willing

(14:51):
to say, like I'm totally into you, do you know
what I mean? Like that that's a big step, especially
because her daughters are watching, and you know, like I
just feel like that's kind of a big step for people,
and you need to feel something going into the fantasy suite,
like you know, we yes, we want to be able

(15:12):
to talk, but you know, if if we're just gonna
sit there and and talk about how you're not into me, Lynn,
what's the point?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, you're right, she got nothing from them, right, so
tell her I don't know and yes and so and
and maybe I would have felt the same way, like
she's he's not getting me anything.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
What am I going to do with Yeah, I guess
what I'm saying is I am proud of her for
and you know, I can't be proud of her. I
don't know her, but I am proud of her as
someone in Bachelor Nation for standing up for herself and
not only doing that while the show was filming on
that doc but also I felt like last night, and

(15:58):
you tell me if it's seems like the whole air
and energy in the room was this way, but she
was a class act last night, And oh my gosh,
I was like, you go, like the fact that he
was running around in circles blaming her for leaving, not
taking any accountability for the fact that he gave her

(16:21):
nothing before Fantasy Suites, and was basically like, you know, no,
I don't take leaps of faith. Wait a second, you
signed up for the Golden Bachelor. That is a massive
leap of faith, Like massive, You're putting your life into
the hands of television producers that you've never met before.
That is a massive leap of faith. And so I

(16:45):
have a problem with the fact that he says he
doesn't have doesn't do that, but he was blaming her
for leaving and period, end of story. He took no
accountability for the fact that he was just giving her
no validation and and in my opinion, was gaslighting her.
And I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
She said was so riveting and so strong, and yes,
the whole audience, the whole air changed, and so it
was really a moment, and it was absolutely wonderful that
she said what she said, and she was so strong
and yeah, she that's I think she spoke for a
lot of women and who went through the journey with

(17:25):
her and saw giving her anything, And she spoke for
a lot of women. And I did look around and
I saw everyone saying, yeah, you're right, You're absolutely right,
and maybe yeah, Mel needed to be told that. So yes,
absolutely strong, intelligent, wonderful woman. And she spoke up for
herself and said it so eloquently, so really.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, and she said and I do remember her saying,
what did she say? I don't need a man, I
don't need to convince Yeah, that's right, bather, I don't
need to convinced. I don't want to have to convince
a man to love me.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
That is exactly the sentiment that she put that into words.
That that is how I felt like she was feeling
on the dock, like she was feeling like she was
saying like, come on, like don't you want to like
talk about commitment in the future, And he was just
not giving her anything. And she's like, why am I
trying this hard? Like if he has to be convinced,

(18:27):
then there's there's a piece that's missing, and why should
I even go any further. You shouldn't have to convince
anyone to love you. If they love you, they love you,
and you can go from there. But I totally agree
with her.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yes, And I actually said something very similar in a
podcast recently, did you what?

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Did you say?

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Anything very very similar. I said, I didn't need a
man to force himself to be with me. I don't
need that. I've been deeply loved in my life. I
don't need anyone to do it out of commitment. So
the same, the same thing, right, the same sentiment. So
she said it very strongly. It was a moment on TV.

(19:09):
It was, And I too don't know her, and I
would say I was proud of her for saying.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Which yes, so yeah, I'm so proud of her. So
the energy in the room was the energy in the room,
just palpable like in support of her. Yes, absolutely, you

(19:35):
were sitting next to Leslie. Yes, and then Debbie, is
that right.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Well, we were sitting. We were so lucky we were
sitting with all the women pretty much. I love the
master too. I have to say they were phenomenal. These
women were so warm and wonderful and welcoming and they
want to keep in touch with us, and we were
taking photos and we went out with them afterwards. I
thought for me that the night was the most rewarding

(20:03):
because of these women. I just believe. I just keep saying,
I keep thinking, like, keep going on and on and
on to form this whole entire group of women from
around the nation who are in sport of each other.
If it keeps going, we're going to have every woman
in this age group. And it's just it was amazing
to be in their company. The energy, the intellect, the warmth,

(20:27):
and so nobody and even those who were not edited
well or who didn't come across as well, were so
great in person.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Is that including Nicole because of wonderful reminds okay good.
We need to remind the listeners if they I'm sure
they know, but Nicole is the one who said that
she felt like your season, the first season of Golden Bachelor,
the women were not so cute and not great looking

(20:58):
at that what you said quote, oh gosh. So did
she address that at all with you and Leslie?

Speaker 2 (21:04):
No, she didn't have to. She didn't say anything. Okay, good,
you know what it was.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
You're so glass.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, we're not going to talk. We didn't go there,
and we know she didn't mean it. And she actually
I said, I shared a dinner with her and we
will the the same dinner.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
So and we two phone numbers. It was great.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
So, okay, good. I love hearing that because you know me,
I'm all about my family, my Bachelor Nation family. I
don't want there to be anyone fighting.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
No, that was great. We were so lucky that we
were in the middle of them. That was That was
the best part.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Of the night. And so that is so cute. I
love it.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
And I'm surprised that Jesse didn't say, and Diana's here
because she wasn't at the women tell all.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
I know, I love Diana. It's so cute. Okay, So
I need to address this. So Joan was on our
podcast I think earlier. Well maybe yes, yesterday or today.
She was talking about the finale AFR and she said

(22:12):
that you and Leslie were invited late, and she thought,
have you heard this? No, okay, anyway, she said that
you guys were She thought that you and Leslie were
invited late because possibly of all of the things that

(22:34):
are going on in the media with Gary's book and
you know, everything that you've discussed, which I do not
want to put you on the spot if you do
not want to talk, if you don't want to go there. Yeah,
we don't need to go there. But is that true
or you and Leslie like a late addition.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
I don't know how late is late, but it was
about three weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, that does not seemed late to wait to me.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
No, it's like three weeks at all. So no, it's not. Yeah,
I don't think it had anything to do with Gary's book.
Not sure, I don't know, but yeah, we were No,
so it was it was about three weeks ago. And yeah,
I don't know when other people were invited. We have
no idea. We were very high.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Well, I think I think it came up, Jones said,
because no one else from the first season besides you
guys and Joan and uh not Chalk obviously and Gary
were the only people from your season. So I guess
that's why she thought that, maybe that's why you guys came.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
But you know, I mean maybe it was intentional that
I would think that it's just me and Leslie because
it is topical, I mean, right, so that makes sense
that it would be Gary, me and Leslie and Sondra
because she was there with her sister Andra.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Oh yeah, Sondra was there too. Yes, I did see her. Yes,
love Sondra.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Right. I think all the women of the second season
where they're on their own, that they were all, Yeah,
they all came of their own volition and.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, yes, and Susan and Cathy were at the Women
tell all, so I don't think they would have come
back for that.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, so it made more sense they were part of
the shifts. That makes more sense. And so it was
great for leslian I to do that because we got
to meet these women and it's something we don't think
we would have been able to do without this opportunity,
without seeing them now and so yeah, yeah, that was

(24:39):
the best part of the entire But it's you know,
it's so exciting. It really is so exciting to go
to a finale like this. They make it wonderful. The
music is all pumped up, that all the audience is
pumped up. You're very excited to be there, So an
overall wonderful experience to be there. Yeah right now?

Speaker 1 (24:59):
That yeah, me too, even though I'm just in Mountain
standard time, because I was just in La. I was
dancing with the stars the night that you guys, because
I asked when the AFR was going to be filming
to see if I could see everybody, but it didn't
work out because it was the exact same night anyway,

(25:20):
So I get it. I get the jet lag. Okay,
So Gary was in the audience. Was it uncomfortable for
you to see him?

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, it was uncomfortable when we were all mulling around
before we went into the audience, because once we were
in the audience, I was seated far enough away from them,
and there was one time when it almost seemed as
though he was headed straight towards me. I don't know
if he was, but at least he was headed towards
my group of people, and I just walked the other way.

(25:52):
So yeah, I didn't need to have an account encounter.
I want him to a wonderful life and live his
life and happy, but I don't have to be a
part of it.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
So yeah, I totally get that. Good for you. Yeah, okay.
Can I ask one question about the book? Is that okay?
And if you don't want to answer, you just you
just say shut it, Trista, you just you just put
me in my place.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
I will say this that I did not plan to
talk about the book any anymore. But yes, please ask
me the question and we'll see that totally.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
And and like I said, if you do not feel
comfortable answering, you know, you can tell me just I
would rather not, okay, I just want to know, yes,
if how you're feeling about well, actually I have two questions, sorry,
and you can say no to both of them or
yes to both of them however you feel okay, okay.

(26:49):
So he has been in the press talking about the
book doing you know, book tour stuff and basic you know,
discussed some things and I think there's a big he said.
She said, you know, like he'll say something and he's like,
oh no, she's not telling the truth. It's so you know,

(27:12):
there are, as they say, three sides to every story, right,
he said, she said, and every what everyone said, I
don't know. Okay, well, is there any is there anything
out there right now that you want to clarify that
he has said that is not truthful?

Speaker 2 (27:35):
So I did have a podcast where I did. Oh,
I can say one more thing that he said that
was such. Oh, I'm sorry, man, I don't want to
go here. So honestly, when I read the book, I
kind of thought, was he there because does he remember
that I was there that I know exactly how it happened.
And it could have been that he had a faulty memory,

(27:56):
but I remember everything, so there was there. And I
will say this, nothing in the book he says about
me is true. Nothing, nothing that he describes, not one.
And I know you're going to say it's you said,
she said. And I didn't really mean to talk about
this anymore because I really don't want to do it.

(28:18):
But everything, you know, you've heard the stories about silly
things about the smoothies twelve dollars, they're not don't order
them every day, make them? Myself said, I didn't cook.
That's not true. I cook every single night. I pretty
much cook every night. But I don't know why Gary
felt the need to say bad things about me, except

(28:38):
to make himself look better. So I will tell you
one story. So I don't know if you know. He
says in the book that I took one look at him.
He had a shirt on, and I said, oh no.
I scolded him like a kindergarten teacher and said, oh no,
you're not wearing that shirt. I'm taking you right now

(28:59):
to Lululemon to get a new shirt. Did you read that?
Do you know that story?

Speaker 1 (29:03):
I don't know this story, so tell us.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
So that's a story, he says it that way. You
want to know how it really happened?

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yes, please, okay.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
So we were lying on my couch. He had his
hand he had he had his hands on my feet.
I had my hands on his feet. I was looking
at my direct messages and I said, oh, Gary, there's
this girl who works at Lululemon and she knows you're
in town, and she says she would love to meet

(29:32):
you and get a photo with the three of us.
I said, do you want to go? He said, sure,
why not, we're not doing anything. So we go down
to Lululemon. We walk in. He looks at his shirt
on the rack. He says, do you think I should
try this on? I said, yes, sure, why not. We
go into the dressing room. We actually took photos of
each other having fun, and I put it on Instagram.

(29:55):
I've since taken it down. I don't know if he
still has it up and we're having so much fun.
I said, you look so good in it. He said,
do you think I should buy it? I said, yeah,
why not buy it? You look great. He goes outside
and he buys it. That's the Lululemon story. If there
was something where I said no, you shouldn't wear that shirt,

(30:15):
it could have happened, but I wouldn't be scolding him.
And maybe I said, oh, we're going to a really
nice restaurant, you might want to change your shirt. I
don't even remember that at all. I'm going to give
him the benefit of the doubt on that one and say,
maybe possibly that happened, but he put two stories together,
or if that was a story, and how could you

(30:37):
do that, you know that's not what happened. And you know,
I mean, I don't know if you heard the other
podcast I was on where he says I handed him
sheets and a pillow and said, would you mind sleeping
on the couch. I have a big day at work tomorrow. Sure,
no problem. Were the words that came out of my mouth?

(30:59):
That's fiction. Those words never came out of my mouth.
Those words never came out of his mouth. I don't
know if if they decided to say it like that
to make it more dramatic. We slept together the first night.
I had dismantled my master bedroom. He said, I had
a two bedroom pass I didn't. If you can see

(31:19):
the bedroom way back there, this is the new bedroom
I made for Gary. I don't know if you can
see it, No, probably can't. I was sleeping in a
very small bedroom, in a very small bed. I had
not slept with anyone in nine years since my husband
passed away. And my husband was only five foot ten.
Gary's a bigger guy. I didn't sleep all night. He said,
how did you sleep? I said, I didn't sleep all night.

(31:41):
He said, oh, I can't sleep on the couch. If
you want me to, I said, oh my gosh, would you,
Oh my gosh, really, that'd be so great. I promise
you when you come back, I'm going to have a
king sized bed for us. I'm going to make up
the master bedroom again. And I'm telling you that's exactly
what happened. My daughter and I. I had ordered all
the linens, the beds, we put that together. I sent

(32:01):
him photos. I've got them in text. I said, you look,
we did this. He said, oh, but you didn't do
the window coverings. And I said, oh, but you're a handyman.
I thought you would do that with me. So I
don't want it to be a he said. She said,
I want him to look for life. I want him
to be happy. I'm just really disappointed that he really
it seems that he felt the need to say something

(32:24):
bad about me. Why I did it. Almost seems like
he thinks that I said anything bad about him, and
I never did. And I never would have said anything.
I would have taken this to my grave. I never
want to hurt another human being. I wanted him to
be happy. I really didn't want to hurt his daughters.
That was really really I said, I'm never I'm never

(32:44):
going to say anything. I don't want to hurt his daughters.
But and it's not like I tst. I have not
said anything. If you think I've said anything bad about him,
I haven't. I've only defended myself against everything he said.
I have so much I could say, I'll hold that inside.
I won't say it. I'm not saying it. Still haven't
said it. I've said two things about the cold cuts

(33:08):
and about the shed, and that's all I've said. There's more,
and I won't say it. I won't say so. I
think maybe it wasn't interesting enough the way it really happened,
So let's make it more interesting. And why tell everybody
I had a tiny house. I'm gonna cry, tell everybody
that I may make a final kissen who cares? Like?

(33:31):
Who cares? These are inconsequential things like who cares? Is
not even even people? I tell this to? Who cares?
If you even did buy a twelve dollars movie? Which
I don't? Who care? I do?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
I do?

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Why so many people do I like? And to say
I don't cook because Teresa never cooked? You know I
could cook. I cook. I cook it every night. I
just every night and make myself. I'm not even gonna
tell you, but roasted thatgetables and sweet potatoes and all
kinds of fish and grilled shrimp and so no, that's

(34:06):
not true. So I can you can if you ever
read the book. I can stand here and you can
tell me anything he said, and I will tell you
it's not true. There's not one thing that's true, any
disparaging remark. And the other thing was I think he
really felt that all the articles that were coming out
about him, that I was reading them and I wasn't.

(34:29):
So he was immersing himself in all of this bad news,
and a lot of it coming from a certain social
media platform which I will not name, that I won't
go on because it's so it's so depressing. I even
had my sister saying, oh my gosh, Jesus, do you
know what they're saying? There is no because I don't

(34:50):
read it. And I'd say, Mary, just don't read it.
Why should I read that stuff? So I think he
thought I was aware of all these bad things and
I wasn't defending him. But if you're not aware of
what's going on, and as you know, I don't know
what to say. It's in his mind it was way
different than it was, So you know, it wasn't the

(35:11):
right person for him just to admit that I was
the wrong person. He wanted someone else. He should have
done that. He should have gone with that other gone
with Leslie. He should have done it, be true to
your heart, and he made a decision of the head
and not the heart. What's that? Don't do that? And
that's when I said, I don't need a man to

(35:31):
do that for me, that I've been deeply loved my
entire life by my husband, and so don't do me
any favors. Why and like when you know and the
way it wound up, I mean, it was inevitable for
it to end up this way. And I could never
understand why he was being so mean to me. I

(35:52):
didn't understand why he didn't trust anything I did, and
going what did I do to not allow him to
trust me? The fact that he thought I was reading
a book. I didn't have a book at the mansion
that I was. I didn't ever read that book, and
that he imagined me curled up on the couch reading
that book and it got him sick to his stomach.
And now I also understand why when I was nominated

(36:16):
for a People's Choice Awards and I decided to go,
he said, oh, I'm surprised, but now I know he
thinks that I was in it for the fame and fortune,
and that's not me. That's not me at all, So
it just it all made sense when I I was
so I was so sad when I found out you
didn't really you didn't want me.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
So yeah, I know you were. I know you were. Hey,
thank you so much for opening up. I mean, our
listeners love you, and I wanted to give you an
opportunity to address but it has been so I don't.
I don't mean to put you on the spot. I
just wanted to give you the opportunity to speak to

(37:00):
what has been being said. You know.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, thank you, And honestly, I really don't. I really
never planned on saying another word about it. So I
just I guess because I like you so much and
I feel like I'm talking to you that I'm opening
up to you. Thank you really well, I know you
talk about it again.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, I understand. We are done. Thank you, and thank
you for sharing. Thank you for opening up and being
vulnerable and telling us what happened. Okay, I want to

(37:41):
talk Let's switch gears. Let's talk about PEG. So what
were what were your feelings of PEG like through the
entire season. I have mine I'll share with you in
a second, But what were your feelings on Peg.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Okay, so before the season started, I thought it was
I actually picked Cindy. But then as soon as.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
You did, I did like she was if you had brackets,
like we actually did brackets, yes, And did you do
a bracket? No?

Speaker 2 (38:11):
I didn't do it, but I think, Okay, I don't know. Yeah,
I just thought it was Cindy. And I loved every
one of the women. But I just thought it was Cindy.
But then when they their day date Peg and Mel,
I said, oh, it's Peg. I said the way he
lit up, the way he got excited, the way they
interpreted it, and they danced and they had so much fun.
I was sure it was Peg. So they're both phenomenal women,

(38:36):
incredible women. They're so bright and funny and smart and
engaging and well, I mean, they couldn't have picked better women.
You should get to know these women. Well. They were
really tall though they grow a lot of them were
from California.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
They are I felt like this.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Tiny, tiny person. They're so tall and so oh my gosh,
they were. You should see some of them. They're amazing.
So I really do think that it was meant to
be that he would be with Peg. I just saw
that chemistry there and you know, so it was it

(39:15):
was close there. But even though Cindy's the one that
took herself out of it, I think that it was
meant to be. And I really do think, you know,
maybe he's he was gun shy and he doesn't think
that he can end this in a marriage, but who
knows what's going to happen, and Peg is leaving her

(39:36):
heart open for any possibility. And when you have that
and you've got that acceptance that just might happen. Who knows.
And every time they've done this, we've only done it
three times. Now you have season one, you've got The Bachelorette,
and you've got this season two. It's been done a
different way. I think the first season we thought that

(39:57):
it had to end in a marriage. I think that
that was we said this before and then Joan Joan
learned from my season, I do think because she took
a stand and she was very right about so many things.
She didn't want beds in the fantasy suites. Kudos to her,
and she didn't say she loved many people, and she

(40:19):
just keyed it on the one person and they don't
live together and they're making it work and it works,
And now you've got mellow saying, I'm just giving you
a commitment ring. I'm not even giving you an engagement ring.
But who knows what's going to happen when you leave
your heart open. We'll see. Maybe they'll be the most
successful ones who knows it's love.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Well, they can't be. They can't be because they just
been and I've been married to my husband for almost
twenty two But anyway.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I know they can't and they're so old it can
never bet.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
No, that's not what I meant, but you know what
I'm saying, Yes, love peg. I loved her energy. I
obviously I love that she is connected to the fire department,
like I think she's a badass. I love that she
is so connected to her family, like that is a

(41:14):
value of hers And obviously Mel shares that in the
love he has for his sons, So I love that
they have that in common. They just do feel like
very like fun loving and youthful and you know open.
Although it was really funny, I have to go back
to the episode where he was driving the like dune

(41:36):
buggy thing and she's like, oh my gosh, could you
please put the pedal to the medal. Come on, she
took the wheel. Yeah, I loved that. That was so cute.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
You know what, he's a football player. Maybe he's saying, Okay, now,
I don't want to get hit or hurt anymore. Like
I'm doone, I'm not getting hurt.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
And you know what, actually, what is it called like
concussion syndrome or whatever, where like Ryan dealt with that
playing in the in the NFL, and he didn't play
as long as mel did, not even close. So maybe
there's like maybe there is like concussion symptoms or something
going on there where he's like, yeah, I do not

(42:21):
want to get hurt. I'm not falling out of this dune, buggy,
So I'm gonna going to go ten miles an hour.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
I think so. And you didn't want to go near
the sting ray the.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
You might have grown way cautious in his oldier years
because he's gone through so much.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
So well, I think that Peg is going to change that.
I have a feeling that she is going to be like, dude,
we're together and we're going to live this life and
we're going to have fun. So come on, I don't
care about the Sting Rays and the Dune Buggies.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Okay, so, so this is not I thought it was
one one of the only times that this has happened.
But before we started this podcast, we were chatting about
how many people have actually not committed to each other
after the show, and there are quite a few people,

(43:13):
including Jesse, which I was like, oh my gosh, that's right.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
So I know, and he didn't mention it last night,
probably because he doesn't want to bring attention to it.
But Bob, my co host, is also one of those
people who gave who gave a promise ring and you
know what, Heather, do you actually I'll just read it
from I have it on our text, so I'll pull

(43:40):
it up. Heather. Okay. So Bob Guiney, my amazing co host,
gave us a little something that we could quote him
in saying that I would read back to you all.
So here we go. He said, no, I was not
contractually obligated to give a ring. At the end of
my season of The Bachelor. We asked him if he

(44:02):
was contractually obligated. He said, I really didn't feel comfortable
proposing at that point, so to me, the promise. Ring
was my way of showing Estella and everyone else that
we were going to give things a try without the
cameras around. And you know, he said that, and that
actually makes me remember that Alex Michelle, who was the

(44:25):
very first bachelor that broke my heart, he said the
exact same thing to Amanda that he wanted to give
a try, you know, on their relationship without the cameras around.
So there's something to it. And Bob said, and see
what we could build. It obviously didn't work out for

(44:45):
us as a couple, but we're both happily married now,
so yay, Yes, it always does work out, you know,
like however it's supposed to work out. I sometimes and
I'm watching and this happens, I'm like, but it really
doesn't have to end in an engagement to be successful.

(45:09):
I just I feel like, and tell me what you
were feeling knowing that this happened last night being in
the audience, because it kind of everything that it happened
with him and Cindy and how I felt like he
didn't take accountability and really like just compliment her and

(45:34):
say the same things that she was saying to him,
which she said, you know, I want you to be happy,
and he didn't say anything like that, you know, like
so when he wasn't saying those same things and kind
of lifting her up and saying he could have said,
I'm so sorry that that happened. I had stronger feelings

(45:54):
for Peg and I just wasn't ready to go there.
I'm so sorry. I wish we could have talked about
it behind closed doors, but I do want you to
be happy or whatever, you know what I mean. So
that put a really bad taste in my mouth. And
then knowing that they didn't get engaged after that, I
kind of was like, well, bummer, Like I feel like

(46:16):
the ladies, like they all left their lives to come
on the show and then we don't even have an engagement.
But I will say other seasons when this has happened,
I don't care as much because it is a television show,
and if people are not ready, then they're not ready.

(46:37):
Like there's no reason to pressure yourself to get engaged
if you're not ready. So I give it up usually
to the people who know that they're not ready and
have the wherewithal and their wits about them to know
what they want and what they need and if that's
not something that they want then standing up to the

(46:59):
show saying no, I'm not ready to go there, but
here's a promise. Ring. But then last night I just
had this bad taste in my mouth after everything that
went down with Cindy, and I was kind of like, well, eh,
I'm not so thrilled that they didn't get engaged, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (47:16):
I don't know. I really I think that they were
both aligned and they felt the same way. And I
really do think that she's giving him grace, so peg
is giving mel grace that maybe he's just afraid. And
I really feel like it's going to get there, and
I think it's going to work out that way. And

(47:36):
I think that if she really felt the same way
he did, and if she forced the issue and said no,
I have to get engaged, like they wouldn't be where
they are, and he probably maybe he would have walked away.
I think because she's allowing him the freedom to choose
because he doesn't feel comfortable, that he most likely will

(47:58):
get there because now he's a woman who really understands that.
And it was and I totally really agree with Cindy too,
because that was how she felt and she should not
put up with what something she doesn't want to do.
So I think that it was I really think this
was the most exciting episode of the entire season. So

(48:20):
you had Cindy standing up for herself for what she
believed in, and then you had Hell and Peg going
forward with what they believed in. And maybe Peg really
did feel the same way Mel did. It seemed like
she did. And now they were able to say he
said I'm in love with her and she said I'm
in love with him. So wow, they get there. So

(48:44):
I'm like, all about freedom. I'm all about never trying
to force anyone to do something that they don't want
to do. Do what makes you happy. And I know
that you would think that too, and I'm sorry that
you did feel disappointed that it didn't get there. But
then the people who feel that way feel Okay. I'm
sure there are people who felt pressured, and maybe Gary

(49:06):
did to feel like he had to end it in
any when it really should not have been, and maybe
he should have taken a stand and said I wasn't
ready for this, And so there is that pressure at
the end being in that situation. All of America wants
an engagement. They're looking for a wedding. They want this stuff,
and so we can't disappoint America. We can't do it

(49:29):
on a love story. They want this to happen. So
you know, I understand that about Gary feeling that way.
I get it.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
So yeah, And he was.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
The first, so I'm sure there was pressure from production
saying like you're the first, you need to like establish
the ground rules that we really want people to find love,
you know, and and the indicator for that is an
engagement you know, in some in some ways. So okay,

(49:59):
So so, uh tell me? Is uh peg wearing the
ring on her left hand?

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yes? I read that she put it on her left hand,
and I think it's really she put it on her
left hand.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
So it doesn't that mean that it's an engagement ring?
Like I'm confused. Isn't a prop? Are you supposed to
wear a promise ring like around your neck? Or I
don't know. I don't know the rules.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
When I was sixteen and I were it on my lefeh,
I know what the rules are, honest, Yeah, I mean
I guess who cares?

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Who cares? Bob? Did have Estella wear her ring on
her right hand? So maybe that's where I'm getting it from.
I don't know, maybe not that it means anything, like
they can do what they want if they're if that's
where she wants to wear it, And to be quite honest,
I feel like the sizes of my fingers are different

(50:54):
on both.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Hands, a different. I actually can fit my wedding band
on this thing, but I can't even get it down
here on.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
This thing exactly. So maybe that's why she's wearing it
on her left hand. Who knows? And what do you
think about this? If they get engaged, will she get
a new ring?

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Oh? I don't think so. I mean that's it. I
think Meehlane designed that one with the hope that Nitia
turns into an engagement ring that you can now now
you're going in an engagement. I don't know what would
she do? Give it back and say I want a
more spectacular ring, because now.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
I mean it is pretty spectacular, I will say so.
The stats on it, like People Magazine did a thing
on Instagram and they featured it. I think they said
it was like three three carrots total or something like that.
I was like, yeah, that's amazing you that's a half carrots. Yeah,

(51:51):
so I had to look up what my ring was
because I don't have it on right now. But my
Valerieul ring that I got from Nee Lane and it
was it's like for something.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
So I was like, wow, oh wow, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
No, I don't say it for that reason, but I'm like, I, okay, well,
at least I got like a four carrot ring and
instead of like a I mean a three and a
half carrot pramise ring. Wow, amazing, amazing, it is amazing.

(52:29):
I think, isn't that amazing? Like, oh my god, he's
a lucky gal.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
It's gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
So it is gorgeous. I love cushion, yes, and I
have a platinum ring, and I love platinum. But I
love kind of the trend that I'm seeing that there
are more What was yours?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
You know what I don't when you're I think it
was way way more like.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Maybe No, no, I mean gold or platinum.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Oh it was platinum. It's fun.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Okay, Yes, I thought you right.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
You didn't even remember if I get it back and
had to give it back, So.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
You did you? So if it's if you are together
for a year, is that what the marker is and
you get to keep it.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
No that they didn't actually ask me for it. I
just felt guilty. I knew that was the wall. So
I contacted them. I said, do I have to give
you this ring back? Because I was afraid it was
going to lose it and then they're going to say
where's the ring? Oh I don't know, so I think it.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Well, good for you for reaching out. That is called integrity.
Thank you integrity. Yes, I love that they.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Got it back. I said, well, send me an envelope.
What is it? What do I have to do?

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I know, what do I do? Do I have to
hand deliver it or are you going to bring a
bodyguard or what?

Speaker 2 (53:53):
And I said, did you get it? Did you get it?
Tell me you got it? Oh?

Speaker 1 (53:57):
That is nerve wrecking. I will say. I had like
a couple diamonds had not the not the center diamond,
but a couple of the like pave diamonds had come out.
So I had talked to Neil Lane about them fixing it,
and they were gonna have me send it in the mail.
And I was so stressed out about that. Yes, I

(54:18):
was like, I don't know if I like that. I
kind of want to fly to la and like give
it to you there.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah, I can't wear it and that, but did you
really send it? Did you send it back? No?

Speaker 1 (54:30):
I ended up doing something else. But but yeah, we
didn't have to worry about that. Okay, So give me
a comment on this. Peg says Mel doesn't have integrity,
he is integrity, and I guess do you remember that
being said?

Speaker 2 (54:46):
I remember that what he said after that?

Speaker 1 (54:48):
No? No, do you remember the crowd's reactions? Yes?

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yes, Oh they thought it was phenomenal. That was a
great statement they did. I'm sure that that is so
true about that about Mel. Sorry Meg, Meg, Meg, No,
if she had to say that, that means she knows

(55:12):
this man so well and he has such high integrity.
I have a feeling we're just not seeing Mel. We're
not seeing the full Mel, and maybe sometime in the
future we will. And I have a feeling he's this
funny guy. It was really fun loving and really energetic
and outgoing, and you know, and if anybody's going to

(55:33):
bring him out of his shell, if he needs to
be brought out of a shell, it's going to be Peg.
So I just think that we just didn't get to
know him.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
And yeah, yeah, I think that was good for you
for giving him the benefit of the doubt. I still
am a little sour about how he treated Cindy, but
you know, I know, Okay, so let's change gears. So

(56:06):
they did the whole Taylor, Frankie Paul sit down with Jesse.
Did you they showed you that right during?

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Okay, So how first of all, how did you feel
when they announced her as bachelorette?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Oh? So excited? I really, I think, yes, I'm so excited.
So of course they you know, they had to do
something different, and now to have someone like this just
brings a whole different element to it, and all of
her followers will follow her, and I think it's just
very exciting. I'm excited to see it. I think I

(56:41):
think that everyone's going to be so excited to see this,
so making us wait too. It's not till March, so
it's a very long time.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Yes, yes, I will say that I felt like I
was shocked in the beginning, just because I haven't watched
Mormon Wives, and I know what I knew of her
was just that she is like controversial, you know, and
and it seems like she speaks her mind and she's
like listen, this is what's up, you know, which I love.

(57:12):
I'm all for female empowerment. And obviously she comes, like
you said, with a following already. And I had always
said I would love for someone to be plucked out
of obscurity and not from like you know, reused from
past seasons and not reused. I guess it's not the

(57:32):
appropriate word, but you know, plucked from a past season,
someone that we could all fall in love with together,
and that I felt like was part of why Golden
was so magical, was because we could all fall in
love with Gary and all of you at the same
time together. And this is kind of that because she's

(57:53):
being plucked not out of Bachelor Nation, but out of
you know, kind of a you know, ABC show or
a Hulu show, the whole family of ABC. And and
I do love that. And I will say the sit
down with Jesse, and I've been following her since it
was announced, and I'm so excited. I think that it is.

(58:16):
Like Jesse said last night, it's going to be a
wild ride because she is gonna, you know, put the
guys in their place. Like I loved that she was
giggling about how she did like put the What did
Jesse say about.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
She sent somebody Home?

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Yes, that too. Yes, Yes, she's not gonna like deal.
She's gonna, you know, call it like it is. And
I love that. I'm really excited for that.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
And her interview alone was just so real and vulnerable. Yes, yes,
I think it's going to be exciting, she said. Yeah,
she said, even if I hear something, I'm just going
to let them go. But she said that she's already falling,
you know, for people, and that she's surprised.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
I know. I love that. I love that she is
open to it. You know that she's ready and willing
and and she will the one thing I said, not
one thing I said. But I think one of the
really good things about Taylor is you know that she's
going to just shoot straight from the hip. She's going
to tell it like it is. She is going to

(59:27):
bring you all along for the ride, bring us all
along for the ride. So I am so excited.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Oh, I'm predicted love it. We won't know what's going
to happen, right, that'll be the part of it.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
That's a great word.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yes, But nothing will happen until March, so they'll be
like complete silence until March. That's a long time.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
That is a very long time. I want to say
it's February though. Oh it's because they're renovating the mansion
and they're doing a show on HDTV to renovate the mansion.
So that's why three reason.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah, great, I can't see that too, that'll be great.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Yeah, I mean right. I'm kind of bummed that it
wasn't asked to be one of the people to do it.
I would have loved that. I mean, Ryan and I
actually had a show on HGTV. Not it didn't get
past the pilot, so let me just specify that. But
it was called Rocky Mountain Renot and we loved it.

(01:00:25):
It was so much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
So I love to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
It's all good. It's all good. It was so much
fun to film.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
So yeah, maybe next season. But are they going to
keep renovating the mansion.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
I don't think so. Yeah, I know I doubt it,
but I am very interested to see who like wins
that show and how it is renovated. Like how exciting?
So exciting. Okay, so we know that the show. Wait

(01:01:01):
where did the show send Where were they going to
send you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
And now Garyan, we were going to Italy and Italy
to Napa Valley.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Yeah, they're going to Napa, Yeah, which I mean gotta
love gotta love Napa. And it's kind of seems like
it fits their vibe. You know, they want to just
hang out and you know, eat some food and drink
some wine. You guys never went on your trip, did you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Never went on our trip? And it wasn't like they
were giving us a trip to Italy that they put together.
They just gave us money and we were supposed to
put so got it so much better if they just
decided where we're going, you know that'd be right that Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Yea well bummer. Well hopefully you can use the money
and go to Italy by yourself or with your family.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Yes, someday we'll do that. Twice I have, yes, but
I've never been to the lower part of Italy. So
have you been to Italy? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
I have, and I love Italy. I would go back
in a heartbeat. I mean we went to Chinkwaitara, which
is like one of the like little fishing villages, yeah,
or five fishing villages. It's where Pesto was created. And
if you like Pesto, go to chinkwatera because oh my
really good. Yes, I'm sorry that you didn't get to

(01:02:33):
go on your trip, but hey you can still DODA
sometimes another day, some day, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Well, we are very happy for Mel and for Peg
and no, I know without a doubt that Cindy will
find her person. I'm actually rooting for her to be
Golden Bachelorette.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Oh yeah, that might happen. She seems perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I think she would be her affect for Golden Bachelorette.
Oh my gosh, I thought she looked drop dead, oh
my gorgeous last.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Night, sanely gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Oh my gosh, her eyes and Peg too, Peg too,
Both of them looked gorgeous last night. PC.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Really there were stunners, really stunning.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
They come out, they were stunning, and I have a
feeling that that is because of Gina makeup or makeup
artist extraordinary. And not to say that they are not
gorgeous anyway, but their makeup was, but it was like elevating.
They were just glam to the nines. And I thought
it was amazing with pegshow anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Wasn't really wearing that much makeup on the show. And
to see her in full makeup, gorgeous. Oh my god,
her skin is so beautiful. And then yes, Cindy looks
like they looked amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
They looked amazing. So yes, we, of course almost everyone
at Almost Famous wishes Mel and Peg and I almost
did it. I almost said Meg and pell Ell Mel
Now Meg, we're calling them Meg. We wish them all

(01:04:20):
of bes. Yes, absolutely, all the happiness, and I know
Cindy will find her person, as will all of the
other Golden Bachelorettes. We I loved watching this season and
I'm excited for another. Actually, do you think they're going
to do another.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Golden Definitely they will. They will. They have to. They
cannot stop that. They've got to do it. They've learned
much from well we've done so far, so they're going
to get it absolutely perfect the next time. It's going
to be that's right, That's that's right. They've got to
do it. We'll do for a Golden Bachelorette and then

(01:04:59):
we'll have that's right. All these new guys.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Uh huh, what are you are you by that statement?
Are you hoping to throw your name in the ring?

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Oh? I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
No, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Yes, I'm ready that's right. Yes, okay, indeed, it's not
just you, it's me me. I can put on makeup too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I love it. I love it. Okay. Well, it's always
a pleasure chatting with you, Teresa. Thank you so much
for coming on and recapping and of course sharing what
you didn't want.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
To share, but just eliminate all that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Thank you, thank you. We're done. She's done talking about
it people.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I'm done.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
I'm done, she's done. No. Thank you for opening up
and really sharing with me and all of our listeners.
It means a lot. We are here to support you.
We love you, and thanks for coming on the pod.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Thank you for being so kind and allowed me to
be able to say that. So thank you. It was wonderful.
Course I love you. I love you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
So good to chat. I'm sure I'll see you soon.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Yes in bye