May 13, 2024 • 41 mins
Carnie Wilson joins Chris Harrison to talk about… everything.
From Wilson Phillips, to Brian Wilson, to diet culture, and every topic under the sun.
Plus, how to make the best ever chocolate chip cookie ever!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Chris Harrison Company from the home office in Austin, Texas.
Really excited about my guest today because I am a
huge music fan. I love all kinds of music, and
I am talking today to Carne Wilson. Of course very famous, well,
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the daughter of Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys, has
been famous her whole life, but then really knocked it
out of the park with her band, Wilson Phillips. And
I mean just an iconic band that you can sing
along to anytime you hear them, whether it's on the radio,
at an elevator, at the supermarket, there's Wilson Phillips, You're like,
oh my god, I miss them. I have never met Karney.
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I'm looking forward to it. I have so many questions
to ask her about her upbringing with the Beach Boys,
growing up with such a famous father and one of
the most famous bands of all time, who she was
influenced by, who she's met along the way, and now
she's into the world of cooking. What is that? What
does it mean so much to talk about with Carnie Wilson. Hello,
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Hello Carney, Chris Harrison here, Why how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I'm good. I was just making lunch.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Carnie Wilson. What's for lunch.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Today is a tuna salad with herbs and halapinos and
cilantro and dill and just good ship and gluten free
bagel with melted cheese everywhere.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Nice. Wait, what's the cheese of choice I'm doing?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Make sure of proloan and then like cheddar or jack.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Now do you find because obviously you have your cooking show.
We'll get into Wilson Phillips and all the music and
all that good stuff, but you have your cooking show
now like that that can kind of define you. So
do you feel like, even when nobody's watching, you got
to up your game and you can't like make a
baloney sandwich for lunch anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's funny you say that, Chris, because like, sometimes when
I'm cooking, I feel like, am I trying to impress myself?
What am I doing? You know?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But wait? I do that. I do the same thing
because I love to cook. I'm not on a cooking show,
but I love them and I'm obsessed with cooking, So
sometimes I do just for my own I don't even know,
I'm not putting it on social media. There's nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It's like, we try to up our own game and
get to the next level.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't know what would a therapist say, that is,
how do we get to the bottom of.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
That perfectionist validation?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
You know, he go seeking our own approval. We've gone
past our moms and dads. We're seeking our own approval.
That's really sad what we've become.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Oh well, you know, as long as it's about food,
I'm happy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Which is really interesting because you know, for so much
of your career you caught so much flak for body
image stuff. Now you, by the way, you look great.
Thank you a bad ass. But the funny thing is,
I don't know if the if there's irony to it
or whatever, but it's like the irony is you look great,
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you've lost weight, but now you're doing cooking shows and
making cookies and all these things. So yes, where where
do we have weigh that? What do we do with
all that?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I don't care if I'm three hundred pounds, two hundred pounds,
one hundred and thirty pounds. I will always love food,
I will always celebrate food and there's no like, there's
no limit, there's no there's no there's nothing restrictive about anything.
No one can tell me when I should be making
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or eating something. It's a personal choice and it's always
been that way, and you know, body image will always
be an issue with me. I'll always probably like secretly
wish I had this, wish I had that.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
We all do, we all do.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
But it's so like it can be so obsessive for
me about that. I've learned because I have two girls,
like fourteen in eighteen or nineteen now, and it's when
I talk bad about my own body, they see it
and then they do it, and it h it's like
a punch in my heart and my gut. When my
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older daughter goes, I hate my thighs. I don't like
my thighs, mom, there, you know, and it makes me
feel sad. And I realized I can't talk that way
about myself around them. Yeah, And I'm not really answering
the question.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Now, now you are because you know I'm a girl.
I'm a girl dad, so I get this, although it's
a little different because I do think when it comes
to having daughters, the female perspective is so important of
how you speak about your body. And what I was
going to follow up with was do you think it
was your daughters that made you change? And think I
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can't say that out loud anymore. I'm making a difference
in their lives.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, I do. I think you're right. I you know,
I've always tried to be humble and have humility in
my life in general, because my mom taught me that
when you come from a famous family, the eyes are
watching you. They're judging you, They're judging how you look, act, react,
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And I've always just thought I have to be myself,
you know, and be real and be kind. So I
don't know, I just fame is a weird thing. I
don't really understand that. But it's kind of like I
love to sing now and I've always loved to cook.
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But it's a weird thing, the how people have perceive you.
But really what's so important is how you perceive yourself.
And it's like, I'm fifty six. I just turned fifty six.
I'm always going to be five foot three. Maybe I'll shrink,
that'll be great.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, you and I doesn't matter how many Flintstone vitamins
we're taking now, we're done. We're done, peep. We're on
the other side right, never gonna.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Be tall and we're gonna get shorter. But yeah, you know,
I just think like, you got to make the most
of every day. And so if I sit here and
think about what I don't have, then it's just to
be miserable. I don't want that.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, that is a weird side of fame. That is
hard to explain because immediately if you say these words
out loud, it's oh, woe is me. I would love
to have your problems, and both of us would agree
these are good problems to have. But at the same time,
your life is your life, and you know what you know,
and you've got to deal with these issues. And one
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of those things with fame, and you have had it
since you were a child, because of your dad and
the Beach Boys and then obviously Wilson Phillips, et cetera.
You've had to deal with the expectations, always being looked at,
always being judged. And I don't care if you say
it's you know, high class problems, it's still something that
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you have to deal with. And as a woman, those
are serious issues.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, everybody's got an opinion. You know, everybody has the
opinion of what you should do, be look like. And
I just keep thinking to myself, who are these people
that I'm worried about that they're judging like they probably
judge themselves the hardest, and I would think that they're
the most unhappy.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
That's usually where it comes from, Usually where it.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Comes from, right, you know, you look at the kids
at school, the bully, and I would love to be
a I mean, I don't know if I'd love to
be a flat on the wall because I think I
find something sad in their household. Yeah, you know, typically yeah, typically,
you know. So I just have learned to like not
give a what anybody else thinks, and really just you know,
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try to be kind and compassionate to people and show
compassion and lift people live their spirits and their hearts
up rather than pointing out the negative. Yeah, And that's
really what it is.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And you're right. I mean, I always thought and I
found it interesting because when I was hosting the Bacheler
for you know, two decades, it was a great study
in human behavior and often there was a you know,
quote unquote villain on the show. And I would always
do interviews and they'd say, well, tell me about the
villain and this person's a jerk or whatever, and I'm like,
you know, it's never that simple. I always found it
fascinating to ask the why and wonder why what makes
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them tick? And often it's you know, mommy issues, daddy issues,
something in their life that was that was you know,
transformative or traumatic that changed them. That they're protecting themselves,
so they're projecting. And like you said, you can go
to the most basic bully in middle school and that's
where it comes from. And you know, to feed into that, well,
it doesn't do you any good.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I know. I just think we're as we get older,
we realize that we've always been searching for something since
we were young, but we just didn't realize it back then.
And you know, it's twists and turns and it's peaks
and valleys and it's and that's good. Yeah. No.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I always say, don't get too high with the highs,
and you know, don't get too low with the lows.
And going through what I went through, uh at the
end of my rain on the backs or it's like
it taught me a lot of the perspective and and
what's really important it really does.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
God. Well, that's hard, you know when you have like
different personalities and you know, people that have addictive tendencies
like myself, you know, being addicted to absolutely anything and
everything that looks or tastes or smells good. You know.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Oh really, so you do you have that addictive.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Oh gosh, yeah, yeah. I mean it comes from both
sides of my family, drugs and alcohol on my dad's side,
of my mom's food. Really but yeah, I mean I've
been twenty years clean and sober, and it's uh, it's hard,
you know. I I think about drinking and stuff all
the time. I think about rolling joints and just like
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going on a beach. I mean, we're going to Mexico
the week after next and my first thought was, ooh,
I would love to take a smoke a joint on
the beach. Why do I still think that way? I
don't know, maybe I always will.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Well, I have addiction in my family. That gene is
not in me, and it was really hard for me
to understand because it's not in me, and I'm like,
why can't you just not you know it just like
a you know what when I would quote unquote say
a normal person that doesn't have that gene. And luckily,
a good friend of mine who was battling with addiction, said,
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here's what you don't understand. I can't go and you know,
just have one potato chip or one beer. I'm like, oh,
I see, it's there is no off switch.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yes, it's really it's my life. I mean, it's how
I have to. I go to twelve step meetings and
that's what's kept me sober.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But good for you, by the way, congratulations.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Thank you. Yeah. I mean it's complicated, and you know,
in the sobriety world, I had taken some ambient and
I had changed my sobriety date because it was mind
altering for me. So but I haven't had a drink
in twenty years. So I just keep telling myself, yeah,
you know, you're doing great, and if you could just
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take it one day at a time. And that's what
I'm doing with my food these days, just not eating
any sugar or gluten and it's just kind of working
that way. One I wake up in the morning, Thank
you God, I'm sober. I'm alive. I'm sober another day.
And you know, direct my thinking because my best thinking
is I want to go to Vegas and like play
stop machines all day and eat Entemens and Twinkies and
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drink Martini's. I mean that's what I want to do. Yeah,
but it's clearly not healthy.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Socarney, This cooking show means a lot more than just
a cooking show, Like this really is more meaningful to
you than that. I don't know if everybody knows that
this is huge.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
This is so I've waited so long to do this,
and I've put on Food Network, competing with different shows,
and you know, I during covid I did. It was
three years of like these Instagram lives that I would
just do, yeah and a little voice going, they kind
of like watching you be crazy in the kitchen. And
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then like I thought, somebody's gonna see it, and I'm
gonna it's gonna get it's gonna someone's gonna ask me
to do a cood show, and they did. So it
was just the right what was supposed to happen. And
it's my love and my and I love all my
friends on the show. I've got great guests. It's so
much fun.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I want to come on and cook with you.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I'd love to have you. Chris now do you sing
it all?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I did some choir
back in the day. I was a pretty solid tinor.
I think my tener days are gone. Things dropped a
little bit so baritone.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
But fine, you could be baritone. I'll be the alto.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
We can harmonize my theory on singing Carney. It's like art.
If you can't do it, well, go big, just go loud.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
That's good. Yet you've got intent, And yet no.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I do love I do love music. And I have
been a fan of your family my entire life. I'm
about your age. I'm a little young. I'm fifty two.
But you know again, old enough to know the Beach Boys,
old enough to very much know the sweet spot of
Wilson Phillips. And honestly more Wilson Phillips than even the
Beach Boys, because that was more my dad and my parents' generation.
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It was, you know, Chicago and the Beach Boys. And
and but I love music. I truly love music. And
I know you still do too, and so does your daughter.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Oh god, it's great. It's always been a part of
my life. And it's the kids love love music.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
You've never you've never had a toxic relationship with music.
It's all like you clearly could have because of your
childhood and everything, but you've that's always remained positive.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I don't know. I don't know if I can find
toxicity in music. I think it's healing. And I mean
unless you're like listening to fucking punk rock and then
you start feeling angry and you hurt someone.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Well, I just meant like, for you, you could easily
be resentful of it. You know. It's it's like say
Wayne Gretzky is your dad or Tiger Woods is your dad,
and it's like I hate golf or I hate hockey.
I see, you know, like you grew up under the
Beach Boys banner and it's like every it was, it
consumed your family. So yeah, I could see you having
a little resentment.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Well I didn't. I didn't have resentment. I had inspiration. Really,
it was more inspiration because it was like I love harmony,
and I don't know if I would have loved harmony
that much if I hadn't come from the beach Boy
world or the Fleetwood Mac or that era. You know
what I mean, A Carpenter's It's like I Begie's abba
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all these Vans bands really inspired me. The Eagles, you know,
to love harmony, and that's what started Wilson Phille just
singing on our floor.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Who were you rubbing elbows with? And I don't mean
to be a named. What I mean is musically like
who did you run into? U? And it could have
been your dad and the Beach Boys? But who did
you watching?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
You?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Go? Holy? That's that's different. They're they're transcendent. I want
to watch them. I want to be around them musically.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well, I grew up with a lot of artists around me.
I don't even know where to begin. I mean, I
mean Elton John would come over and like I would
sneak out of my room at night because he'd come
over and I'd want to go, you know, be in
the room with them, and he would put me back
in my crib and go to sleep. I mean it
was like that was I was really young. Yeah, and
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I remember seeing at the piano with Paul McCartney. It's
just like I had these people come over. I mean,
my my teen crush and i'd a was Sean Cassidy
and he just knocked on the door one day because
they decided he's decided to record a song.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
My dad wrote, Oh my god, that had to be
a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Well I was. I was a mess. I mean they
took a picture of us and my cheeks were like
two apples were on my cheeks. It was so we
were That's like having Harry Styles or Justin Bieber or
whatever knock on your door.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
It's like, actually Harry Styles, Justin Bieber, and Ryan Gosling
all in one. Kids, if you're under fifty and you're
listening to this and you need to google Google Sean Cassie.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I mean really that was my key.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
He was on everybody's wall.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Of course, he was so yeah. I mean just like
there were all these people that would come over, but
I mean there was a difference between like the people
that would come over for parties or that a Hollywood
rocket or whatever, versus the people that I that I
grew up listening to and admiring and loving. Because there's
a whole batch of, you know, artists from the seventies
and eighties that I loved.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So did you ever meet any of the other Beatles
or was it just McCartney.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Uh, just Paul Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never met John.
I never met Ringo or George. But I love George.
I love his music.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Right Here Comes the Sun just one of the greatest
songs ever, so beautiful. They will stop me in my
tracks every time I hear it. But McCartney and then
McCartney and Wings. Oh I love Wings right that voice
is oh.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Oh, I just I actually, oh my god, I might
get in trouble for saying this, but no, I think
I like Wings better than the Beatles.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Sorry, that's not the craziest thing, you know what, that's
a hot take. I'm going to say it's a hot take,
but not the craziest take I've ever heard. I don't disagree,
because because it was McCartney's voice, and his voice was
so powerful.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
So great, and just like the sound like Wings, I
love Let him In, I love Bad on the Run.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And you could even say, I mean, honestly, if you
want to make the argument, George Harrison was better on
his own than when he was with the Beatles.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I mean, All Things Must Pass is one of my
favorite albums ever, and I just I think he's he
was an incredibly spiritual and beautiful man.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
And I mean because he got to finally write the
music that you know John and Paul wouldn't let him
write Yeah, I'm the geek. Though when that Apple, you know,
Docuseriies came out and it was pretty bloody boring, to
be honest, but I listened and watched every moment of
them in studio and to watch those guys just coming
up with these songs that changed music and changed our
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lives and they were just kind of humming the melodies
and getting I'm like, this is wild to watch.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I know. I was at the Grammy Museum recently and
I my husband does this. He once a year, this
really really good Beatles cover band. They go to the
Grammy Museum and they always sell it right out because
it's a small venue. But it's like this celebrating the Beatles.
And I got to sing help and what else we
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can work it out and a few different songs, and
it was really it was my first time I were
singing Beatles songs, but it was really cool.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
What do you listen to? Like you're just you're chilling out? Yeah,
Like you're chilling out And I'm sure you turn on
a little music when you're cooking and you're making it
tuna fish and like, what do you what do you
like to jam to?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Well, you're gonna laugh. I mean, honestly, I love disco
and I love like seventies, so I'll play like I'll
just like, say, you know, Alexa play the top seventies
disco songs, and then of course Beejesu is coming on
an Abba. Sometimes I'll be really corny and listen to
like Captain Taneil or I'll do the Carpenter is my
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favorite female singer.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Karen Carpenter was your favorite female singer?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
It was my My favorite voice was Karen's. Yeah. But
then sometimes I'll be like I want be fifty two
s and Fire or a CDC, you know, or Boston
or Doobies. You know. I just I love rock.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Also, and like hard rock, like rock, and like what's your.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Hard rock, like just like rock and roll like led.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Zeppelin or classic like yeah Van Old van Halen, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,
got it.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Now I'm with you classic rock. And then I go
into soul land and I'll just like I'll be like
slide the Family Stone or you know, I mean, I
love Luther Vandros. He's my favorite male singer.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
A voice.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Oh God.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So let me ask you this though, because you have
your girls, and my daughter is a little older than yours.
My daughter's twenty, and so when she and her little
sority sisters are listening to music, it's often music of
our era. They are listening to the biggest hits of
our day. Not as much now. Yes, Taylor Swift is huge,
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as you said, Harry Styles is huge, but those are
more one offs as opposed to what they really get into.
And you know, if I'm at a tailgate or whatever,
I know every song and it's pretty amazing. Are your
girls the same.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yes they are. And I remember when we were in
the car one day they were really like four and
eight years old, and I said, I want to play
you guys something, and I know you might be a
little bored, but we'll see. Just listen to this woman sing.
So I played Barber Streisen singing People from Madison Square Garden,
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like nineteen sixty performance, and I was like, just listen,
just listen.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
To the voice, listen to Babs.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
They listen to Babs and then like they listened to it.
They didn't say the word. They were totally focused, and
at the end of the song they were like, wow, Mom, Wow,
she's really she has a really good voice. I wanted
them to hear that kind of vibrato and that control
and that special voice of hers. I wanted to show
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them early.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I took one of my kids one of those iHeart.
God knows what it was, you know, where they have
maybe his awards or something. And so a lot of
people played throughout the day and this award ceremony and
it was a lot of whoever was famous at the moment,
and they were fine. No one really got out of
the we were at these tables, no one really stood up.
And then there was the Legacy Award or whatever, and
it was bon Jovi, and bon Jovi came out and played,
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and they played a lot of their hits. They ripped
the roof off the place. Everybody was standing up and
we were leaving, and my daughter is very musically inclined,
and we were talking about it. I said, did you
notice a difference when so and so was there and
we were all just kind of sitting there and it
was fine, But when bon Jovi, like rock stars, huge
rock stars, that just ripped the place apart, and you
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couldn't help but be enveloped by that. And that, in
my opinion, and I'd love your opinion. Is that missing?
Who is that these days? I know Taylor Swift has
that it factor, but who else rock band wise that
just makes you want to stand up and dance and
sing rock band wise?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I don't know. I mean, I can't even name anyone.
This is really like random. But there's a band called
Greta Van Fleet, and Greta Van Fleet, like the lead
singer of people say like, oh, they sound so much
like led Zeppelin. He's incredible. And these guys they're like
brothers and they're really popular. They will bring down the
house and I think they're amazing. But I don't know,
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I'm really I can.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Keep waiting for like Black Keys to really explode, you know,
imagine dragons will give them their due. Anthem h I
love the anthem rock and they really crush it and
you can't help but sing along.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, they're great. I can't think of anyone now.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Isn't that wild? Country? Country?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I can Country's great.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I mean, you got Morgan Walling blowing up, you got
Luke Colms, you got Parker McCollum. There's so many country
stars that are really tearing it up right now. Not
as much on the other side of the genres, which
is really interesting. Music's in a weird, very interesting place right.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Now, it really is. It's kind of odd. I don't know.
I don't think music ever dies. I just think it's
just you just got to keep repeating and playing the stuff.
And when I'm in my car, I put on this
is really weird, but I put on the forties channel.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh wow, I can't. I can't go that far back
with you.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Oh I love it with the horns, yeah, oh, I
love it. I don't know if it's like past life
or what. Yeah, something. And then my younger daughter likes
it too.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
We love Frank sinatrazerd.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty amazing. My my wife her claim
to fame because I always ask everybody what your first
concert was, and I'm about to ask you, so get
it in your head. Her first concert was Frank Sinatra
in Chicago with her dad. I'm like, you can't beat that.
Mine was in excess. How about that? That was a
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weird one in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Pil warred up for him. I was so young and
so naive. I didn't understand that pil was a warm
up band, and I thought, is this an excess? Because
I thought I knew their music. I didn't, and I
was like, why is no hear yet? It was I
didn't understand how concerts worked. And then in Access came out.
We've been what was your first concert? This might be
an amazing weird answer. Oh, to be Beach Boys? Is
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that too easy?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
No, it's Beach Boys, of course my first Like, okay,
so I was probably Elton John at the Forum.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Oh my god, at the Hollywood Bowl in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, early seventies. Wow, yeah, Elton John.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
That must have been a time.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Did you ever run into David Bowie?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I did run in David Bowie when he was with
Iman his wife, his beautiful wife. We were in England.
We were promoting the second record or the first, and
we were we went out to dinner with the big
promoter and sitting right next to us was was David
Bowie and his wife and we said hello. He had
this beautiful thick accent and I was looking at his eyes,
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you know, in two different colors. I was like looking
at his eyes and then like his wife stood up
and she was like as tall as the ceiling and
they were so nice and beautiful and sweet, and that
was a trip.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I hate myself for not loving him earlier in my life.
I didn't catch on until probably junior higher high school
and the Glass Spider the Glass Spider Tour came along.
Get he was. I grew up in Texas, and so
I couldn't comprehend the level of his artistic whatever he
(26:27):
was doing. He was too big for me. It wasn't
my mind wasn't there yet. Yes, and so I caught
up later, but I regret that I didn't love him
earlier and understand and appreciate what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Well. I remember when Golden with Golden Years came on
the radio when I was younger, and I remember loving
the song, but never really knowing the artist or appreciating it.
Wasn't until I was in my junior high school years
that I would go back and listen and really get
into it. I loved Fame, you know, that was really
a fan of those and young Americans.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Are young American? Is that not one of the greatest
songs ever?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
It's just ridiculous how it's just so innovative and.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah original, so him. I never knew where this was
going to go. When was the last time you like,
turn on the radio and boom, there's a Wilson Phillips song.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Oh god, it happens all the time, a week, Yeah,
I know, it's great and walking on the stores. You know,
it always comes when I need it too, Like I'm
thinking about something, or I'm frustrated, or i'm future tripping
or whatever I'm doing, I'm already late or whatever, in
a bad mood or something, and all of a sudden,
I'll just hear one of our songs and it could
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be at the market. I'll hear it, and I feel
like it's a sign.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You know, you do you sing along?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah? Sometimes not very loud because that was because I
feel like, oh, you know, do.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
You like what's your what's your what would be your
go to song? Like you like? Out of the catalog?
We got one Wilson Phillips song, What is it like?
What's your face? To perform?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I'll say that, Uh, I don't know, probably hold on,
just because the interaction between the audience is so incredible.
But I love a song that we did called you
Won't See Me Cry. It's a ballad and it was
the second single off our first first single, on our
second record, and it's harmony all the way through, kind
of like release me. But oh the chor changes are
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great and I love you, won't see me cry. That's
that's my that's my baby.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Back to food.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, of course, sex, food or music. That's all there is.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
That's true. They go well together, but not in that
order anymore. Well, sex, then food is good. I mean
it should be good, right. The cookies that you make? Yeah, okay,
this is a personal thing. I'm a cookie which you want?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
What cookies I make a lot?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Well, the chocolate chip cookies. Okay, I'm a chocolate chip
cookie connoisseur. Okay, it's not a professional title. It's a
self promoted title. But I love them and I love
to bake them. What is my What is the secret?
What is like one thing that I need to add
to my repertoire, my bag of tricks of making great cookies.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
It's funny. I just made these dairy free, gluten free,
they're vegan, cherry almond cookies. They're my best cookie.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
No, come on, are they good? That sounds like a
lot of freeze.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
No, it's so good. They're so good.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So you don't cook with butter That's that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
No, I I cook with butter and baked with butter.
I just try I try to avoid butter. But but
these cookies don't have butter. But they have coconut oil,
a little canola oil and apple sauce and they're just incredible.
But anyway, I'm more about texture. I like chewy. I
like a little chrispy on the outside, chewing the.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I got you?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yes, is that you like that too? Yeah? Brown butter
is a is a good is a good one.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
You got a brown your butter.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
There's a great there's a there's great bread. But but
there are recipes where if you melt the butter because
you have to brown, you know, melt it to brown it.
But how do you work in the melted butter. Usually
you have to put the refrigerator before you you know,
you get the dough right. And then there's I also
been seeing all these these recipes where they have a
ball of dough, then you put one in the middle,
(30:22):
then you put another ball of dough on top, and
you kind of like crunch together so it spreads really
dome like okay, and yeah, so but there's there's a
lot of a lot of theories about baking, soda, baking powder,
how much it rises. But generally I think under cook
here cookies, under baked them. Under bake them because that's
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how they stay chewy.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Let them finish on a little bit on the yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And now so they're really really raw, you know. And
also just like experiment, like use all brown sugar, use
a combo of white and brown, do the brown butter,
do it, ll do it melted, experiment with it and
see what happens.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I love it. When you went through your big transformation,
you lost all your weight, you were really vocal about
it and how you did it, and you like very
(31:24):
positive about it. You've worked your ass off, you changed
your life. And then ozempic comes out and I read
something where you were pretty vocal about, hey, you didn't
use ozempic, you won't use ozempic, And just what is
your feeling of those drugs, all of them that everybody
(31:44):
is now addicted to across Hollywood and you know entertainment.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well, first of all, twenty five years ago, I did
have a gastric bypass, which is a for me, it's
a medical intervention. It was an intervention because I was
really on a bad path, and so I did that
because it was my last resort. And when I did it,
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I was warned or I was encouraged really and warned
that I had to follow a certain lifestyle to keep
my health up to not become deficient in vitamins, you know,
and be sensitive to you know, a rush of insulin,
which is where someone that has a surgery like mine,
they eat sugar or they eat fatty foods, and then
(32:31):
they have something called the dumping syndrome where for like
a half hour, they feel really sick and they have
to like they literally like fall asleep, and it happens
less and less now. But I was thinking about these things.
I knew that I was going to have to drink
a lot of water, take the vitamins, eat the protein first,
and exercise and not snack. And I did all those things.
And I got to my goal weight because I did
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those things. But there are people that aren't serious about it.
They have a surgery, they take advantage of it. They
don't get to their goal weight, and they gain it
back because calories and calories out. It's not difficult. But
o Zevic and Munjaro and all those drugs like they
have side effects and they don't affect everyone. But I
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was too scared to do it, and I had what
I thought were gallstones and a lot of pain. With
all this gluten and sugar. I was eating way too much.
I was in a chokehold with this stuff. I could
not stop, and I was so scared. My blood work
came back pre diabetic cholesterol up, blood pressure, medication, and
(33:34):
I'm going, you know what this is it And just
like when I years ago, when I sort of did
I did that surgery, I just made a decision one
day at a time, I'm just not going to eat
sugar or gluten. And I've been doing that since September
and I'm up three pounds and it's because I've been
snacking and promoting my show, so I'm traveling all over
(33:55):
the place, so my eating is irregular. But I plan,
you know, I plan my food. I cook in advance.
I try to eat all day long, really like good
healthy snacking, and like try to put more vegetables and
protein on my plate and just don'y sugar and gluten.
And that has worked. So I'm so like centered and
(34:16):
focused right now, and I know how to make food
taste good, so I add lots of lemon and lim
and citrus and and herbs and different salts and whatever
to make it taste good. And you know, different kinds
of fats rather than And I'm never gonna stop eating
cheese for a while, I only ate feta and parmesan.
(34:39):
Three months I just had feta and parmesan cheese.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Oh my god, I'm Italian cheese.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I'm with you. I used to melt cheese in a
cup and eat it like soup.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I'm in Texas. We just call that queso caeso of.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Course, melted dip. Whatever you want there, cheese.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I could sit here and talk music with you and
just forever, like I love, We are on the same plane.
I don't know you love music that I love music
so much. You can see, you can kind of see this,
like I have a big U two fetish. These guys
over my shoulder right now. I love because I ran
into them when I was playing soccer in Europe when
I was sixteen years old. And just I have. I
(35:22):
love music. I love all kinds of music, and growing
up in Texas it's such a musical hotbed of growing
up with Texas, you know, folk music and in the Beatles,
from the Beach Boys to Chicago to Willie and Whalen
George straight like all of it. Just this kind of
cool amalgamation.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, great music from Texas and the whole vibe. I
think the Eagles, I think they they were from there too,
back in the day. But I have a funny, really
quick story about my dad and Bono from YouTube. Yes,
when he met my dad, he came up to me
and said, Brian, you know, I'm from you too, and
(36:00):
it's lovely to meet you. And he said, would you
go get me a diet coke? That was this reaction
when he met him. It's so classic. I love it.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Your dad asked Bono to go get him a diet coke.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I know he's much he's eighty one now old.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
He is, He's doing great.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Is he still good?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Everybody's asking, Yep, everybody's asking. He's great. He's well cared for.
He has, you know, just the very very beginning stages
of dementia. But it's I don't really notice that that
much of a difference. I think he's always sort of
been hidden in his Brian zone, which is a lot
of talking about the same stuff that he's always in
(36:45):
his mind thinking about he loves his children. He's sad
his wife died and that was hard, but you know,
it's they're trying to just keep it the same in
that house. They've got a couple of younger kids. We're
out of the house now, five adopted children. And you know,
I love to bring him food going over there Saturday.
(37:07):
I spent a great Easter with him, and it seems
like now the door is more open and we are
spending more time with him, and it's fabulous. He's doing good.
He's got lots of physical therapy. He's not really seen anymore.
I mean I sang a little Elton John with him
last time on we sang your song Yeah Theether, which
was really sweet. But he watches My Cookie Show every week.
(37:29):
He puts the TV on. He got a new TV,
a smart TV, it on and he watches it and
it's very cute.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
That's good. Well, God bless him. That's great. That's good
to hear, and I'm glad you guys. More importantly, your
relationship towards the end of his life is strong and
open and no regrets. Right, everything can be said, everything
can be expressed, which so that's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
It is, it is. It's all about appreciation now and love.
He love to he loves to say, you're my daughter,
and I love you, and you're beautiful. You're beautiful, he
says to me. He's so funny. I take his hand
and hold his hand. I love to make him laugh.
I said, I said, who's the I love to ask
him questions because I'm very curious, like how is mine works?
And then like his opinions. So I said, like, who's
(38:12):
the best female singer of dad? And like in two seconds,
Linda Ron's dad.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Oh wow, Linda Ronst Okay, I can't argue. I can't argue.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
There can't argue. And I'm like, yeah, Linda Ronstad like
underrated and just like, don't forget about Linda. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, that's it's odd to say a legend is underrated,
but you're right, she is very underrated.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
She is. Yeah, we don't talk about Linda ronstaid enough.
I mean, who could sing like that?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Nobody?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I mean just just YouTube some of her early concert footage.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Oh my god, what where is it? Where are all you
guys living now? Are you up in Oregon?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
We're we're in no, No, I'm here in Laval. Yeah,
and uh yeah, I mean but I I've been thinking
a lot about moving, like to a farm, just getting
the hell away.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
We got room in Texas.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Oh, just like yeah, just somewhere more remote, lots of land,
lots of chickens and goats and donkeys, you know. I mean,
I want to like have neighbors and have a community
store and bake for everybody. It's kind of kind of
what we're moving towards. I like it.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
I like that girl tell us where we can see
the show. Find the show on Access.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, Access TV, so it's like good old fashioned cable,
and I think there's lots of ways to see it.
We're trying to do streaming stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
But most subscribers get access Access. Go look for it
on your program guide.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
That's right, AXSTV. And yeah, and Carney sixty eight is
my Instagram. I'm always posting clips and stuff and you know,
shout outs and and and also the guests on the
show they also post on their Instagram too, So yeah,
I hope everybody loves it. There's a lot of really
fun guests. Mark McGrath was great, Sugar Ray. Sugar Ray
(40:03):
was that was a moment.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
That was a moment.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah. Oh they were awesome And I love Mark.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
He's a nice guy. I got to know him later
when he was hosting uh.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Extra Extra Yeah yeah, yeah, he was great.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah when he became a yeah, very smart but gracious.
There's some other guests that you've had. We had John
Stamos Okay, love Stamos.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Love staym Moos. We had Boys to Men, Sean Stockman
from Boys to Men, who I love so much. We
made Philly cheesteaks.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Of course they were on the Bachelor. We did a
concert with them in Santa Barbara and they were awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Oh their harmony. Yes, So of course we sang. We
sang into the road. I was dying and Lisa Lobe
d Snyder, David Archiletta, I know Snyder.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
It was twisted sister, right, twisted sister.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
And I did a show with him on the country
music channel Bay.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Does he still have the hair?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
He still has the hair, but he wore a ponytail.
He's like he's a grandpa. I mean he's he's he's
a energizer bunny. That guy. I love him so much.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Well, great show. Check it out. It's on Access TV
and Carney. It was such a pleasure to meet you,
talk to you. We got to do this again, even
if it's not on TV. We're just going to get
together and cook.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Loved it. Chris, It's great to meet you too. I've
watched you for years and I'm always just You're handsome
and sweet and you're a great host. You were a
great host. Thank you, and I'm glad you have this.
And yeah, let's just keep making the world a.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Good place and just keep up every day and win
that day. You're doing great twenty years, keep going, win
the next day.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Thank you, Thank you, you take care, Adias amigo.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
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This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Chris Harrison Company from the home office in Austin, Texas.
Really excited about my guest today because I am a
huge music fan. I love all kinds of music, and
I am talking today to Carne Wilson. Of course very famous, well,
(00:21):
the daughter of Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys, has
been famous her whole life, but then really knocked it
out of the park with her band, Wilson Phillips. And
I mean just an iconic band that you can sing
along to anytime you hear them, whether it's on the radio,
at an elevator, at the supermarket, there's Wilson Phillips, You're like,
oh my god, I miss them. I have never met Karney.
(00:43):
I'm looking forward to it. I have so many questions
to ask her about her upbringing with the Beach Boys,
growing up with such a famous father and one of
the most famous bands of all time, who she was
influenced by, who she's met along the way, and now
she's into the world of cooking. What is that? What
does it mean so much to talk about with Carnie Wilson. Hello,
(01:09):
Hello Carney, Chris Harrison here, Why how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I'm good. I was just making lunch.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Carnie Wilson. What's for lunch.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Today is a tuna salad with herbs and halapinos and
cilantro and dill and just good ship and gluten free
bagel with melted cheese everywhere.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Nice. Wait, what's the cheese of choice I'm doing?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Make sure of proloan and then like cheddar or jack.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Now do you find because obviously you have your cooking show.
We'll get into Wilson Phillips and all the music and
all that good stuff, but you have your cooking show
now like that that can kind of define you. So
do you feel like, even when nobody's watching, you got
to up your game and you can't like make a
baloney sandwich for lunch anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's funny you say that, Chris, because like, sometimes when
I'm cooking, I feel like, am I trying to impress myself?
What am I doing? You know?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But wait? I do that. I do the same thing
because I love to cook. I'm not on a cooking show,
but I love them and I'm obsessed with cooking, So
sometimes I do just for my own I don't even know,
I'm not putting it on social media. There's nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It's like, we try to up our own game and
get to the next level.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't know what would a therapist say, that is,
how do we get to the bottom of.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
That perfectionist validation?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
You know, he go seeking our own approval. We've gone
past our moms and dads. We're seeking our own approval.
That's really sad what we've become.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Oh well, you know, as long as it's about food,
I'm happy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Which is really interesting because you know, for so much
of your career you caught so much flak for body
image stuff. Now you, by the way, you look great.
Thank you a bad ass. But the funny thing is,
I don't know if the if there's irony to it
or whatever, but it's like the irony is you look great,
(03:11):
you've lost weight, but now you're doing cooking shows and
making cookies and all these things. So yes, where where
do we have weigh that? What do we do with
all that?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I don't care if I'm three hundred pounds, two hundred pounds,
one hundred and thirty pounds. I will always love food,
I will always celebrate food and there's no like, there's
no limit, there's no there's no there's nothing restrictive about anything.
No one can tell me when I should be making
(03:44):
or eating something. It's a personal choice and it's always
been that way, and you know, body image will always
be an issue with me. I'll always probably like secretly
wish I had this, wish I had that.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
We all do, we all do.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
But it's so like it can be so obsessive for
me about that. I've learned because I have two girls,
like fourteen in eighteen or nineteen now, and it's when
I talk bad about my own body, they see it
and then they do it, and it h it's like
a punch in my heart and my gut. When my
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older daughter goes, I hate my thighs. I don't like
my thighs, mom, there, you know, and it makes me
feel sad. And I realized I can't talk that way
about myself around them. Yeah, And I'm not really answering
the question.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Now, now you are because you know I'm a girl.
I'm a girl dad, so I get this, although it's
a little different because I do think when it comes
to having daughters, the female perspective is so important of
how you speak about your body. And what I was
going to follow up with was do you think it
was your daughters that made you change? And think I
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can't say that out loud anymore. I'm making a difference
in their lives.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, I do. I think you're right. I you know,
I've always tried to be humble and have humility in
my life in general, because my mom taught me that
when you come from a famous family, the eyes are
watching you. They're judging you, They're judging how you look, act, react,
(05:27):
And I've always just thought I have to be myself,
you know, and be real and be kind. So I
don't know, I just fame is a weird thing. I
don't really understand that. But it's kind of like I
love to sing now and I've always loved to cook.
(05:48):
But it's a weird thing, the how people have perceive you.
But really what's so important is how you perceive yourself.
And it's like, I'm fifty six. I just turned fifty six.
I'm always going to be five foot three. Maybe I'll shrink,
that'll be great.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, you and I doesn't matter how many Flintstone vitamins
we're taking now, we're done. We're done, peep. We're on
the other side right, never gonna.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Be tall and we're gonna get shorter. But yeah, you know,
I just think like, you got to make the most
of every day. And so if I sit here and
think about what I don't have, then it's just to
be miserable. I don't want that.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, that is a weird side of fame. That is
hard to explain because immediately if you say these words
out loud, it's oh, woe is me. I would love
to have your problems, and both of us would agree
these are good problems to have. But at the same time,
your life is your life, and you know what you know,
and you've got to deal with these issues. And one
(06:43):
of those things with fame, and you have had it
since you were a child, because of your dad and
the Beach Boys and then obviously Wilson Phillips, et cetera.
You've had to deal with the expectations, always being looked at,
always being judged. And I don't care if you say
it's you know, high class problems, it's still something that
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you have to deal with. And as a woman, those
are serious issues.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, everybody's got an opinion. You know, everybody has the
opinion of what you should do, be look like. And
I just keep thinking to myself, who are these people
that I'm worried about that they're judging like they probably
judge themselves the hardest, and I would think that they're
the most unhappy.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
That's usually where it comes from, Usually where it.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Comes from, right, you know, you look at the kids
at school, the bully, and I would love to be
a I mean, I don't know if I'd love to
be a flat on the wall because I think I
find something sad in their household. Yeah, you know, typically yeah, typically,
you know. So I just have learned to like not
give a what anybody else thinks, and really just you know,
(07:53):
try to be kind and compassionate to people and show
compassion and lift people live their spirits and their hearts
up rather than pointing out the negative. Yeah, And that's
really what it is.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And you're right. I mean, I always thought and I
found it interesting because when I was hosting the Bacheler
for you know, two decades, it was a great study
in human behavior and often there was a you know,
quote unquote villain on the show. And I would always
do interviews and they'd say, well, tell me about the
villain and this person's a jerk or whatever, and I'm like,
you know, it's never that simple. I always found it
fascinating to ask the why and wonder why what makes
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them tick? And often it's you know, mommy issues, daddy issues,
something in their life that was that was you know,
transformative or traumatic that changed them. That they're protecting themselves,
so they're projecting. And like you said, you can go
to the most basic bully in middle school and that's
where it comes from. And you know, to feed into that, well,
it doesn't do you any good.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I know. I just think we're as we get older,
we realize that we've always been searching for something since
we were young, but we just didn't realize it back then.
And you know, it's twists and turns and it's peaks
and valleys and it's and that's good. Yeah. No.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I always say, don't get too high with the highs,
and you know, don't get too low with the lows.
And going through what I went through, uh at the
end of my rain on the backs or it's like
it taught me a lot of the perspective and and
what's really important it really does.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
God. Well, that's hard, you know when you have like
different personalities and you know, people that have addictive tendencies
like myself, you know, being addicted to absolutely anything and
everything that looks or tastes or smells good. You know.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Oh really, so you do you have that addictive.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Oh gosh, yeah, yeah. I mean it comes from both
sides of my family, drugs and alcohol on my dad's side,
of my mom's food. Really but yeah, I mean I've
been twenty years clean and sober, and it's uh, it's hard,
you know. I I think about drinking and stuff all
the time. I think about rolling joints and just like
(09:58):
going on a beach. I mean, we're going to Mexico
the week after next and my first thought was, ooh,
I would love to take a smoke a joint on
the beach. Why do I still think that way? I
don't know, maybe I always will.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Well, I have addiction in my family. That gene is
not in me, and it was really hard for me
to understand because it's not in me, and I'm like,
why can't you just not you know it just like
a you know what when I would quote unquote say
a normal person that doesn't have that gene. And luckily,
a good friend of mine who was battling with addiction, said,
(10:30):
here's what you don't understand. I can't go and you know,
just have one potato chip or one beer. I'm like, oh,
I see, it's there is no off switch.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yes, it's really it's my life. I mean, it's how
I have to. I go to twelve step meetings and
that's what's kept me sober.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But good for you, by the way, congratulations.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Thank you. Yeah. I mean it's complicated, and you know,
in the sobriety world, I had taken some ambient and
I had changed my sobriety date because it was mind
altering for me. So but I haven't had a drink
in twenty years. So I just keep telling myself, yeah,
you know, you're doing great, and if you could just
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take it one day at a time. And that's what
I'm doing with my food these days, just not eating
any sugar or gluten and it's just kind of working
that way. One I wake up in the morning, Thank
you God, I'm sober. I'm alive. I'm sober another day.
And you know, direct my thinking because my best thinking
is I want to go to Vegas and like play
stop machines all day and eat Entemens and Twinkies and
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drink Martini's. I mean that's what I want to do. Yeah,
but it's clearly not healthy.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Socarney, This cooking show means a lot more than just
a cooking show, Like this really is more meaningful to
you than that. I don't know if everybody knows that
this is huge.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
This is so I've waited so long to do this,
and I've put on Food Network, competing with different shows,
and you know, I during covid I did. It was
three years of like these Instagram lives that I would
just do, yeah and a little voice going, they kind
of like watching you be crazy in the kitchen. And
(12:19):
then like I thought, somebody's gonna see it, and I'm
gonna it's gonna get it's gonna someone's gonna ask me
to do a cood show, and they did. So it
was just the right what was supposed to happen. And
it's my love and my and I love all my
friends on the show. I've got great guests. It's so
much fun.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I want to come on and cook with you.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I'd love to have you. Chris now do you sing
it all?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I did some choir
back in the day. I was a pretty solid tinor.
I think my tener days are gone. Things dropped a
little bit so baritone.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
But fine, you could be baritone. I'll be the alto.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
We can harmonize my theory on singing Carney. It's like art.
If you can't do it, well, go big, just go loud.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
That's good. Yet you've got intent, And yet no.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I do love I do love music. And I have
been a fan of your family my entire life. I'm
about your age. I'm a little young. I'm fifty two.
But you know again, old enough to know the Beach Boys,
old enough to very much know the sweet spot of
Wilson Phillips. And honestly more Wilson Phillips than even the
Beach Boys, because that was more my dad and my parents' generation.
(13:30):
It was, you know, Chicago and the Beach Boys. And
and but I love music. I truly love music. And
I know you still do too, and so does your daughter.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Oh god, it's great. It's always been a part of
my life. And it's the kids love love music.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
You've never you've never had a toxic relationship with music.
It's all like you clearly could have because of your
childhood and everything, but you've that's always remained positive.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I don't know. I don't know if I can find
toxicity in music. I think it's healing. And I mean
unless you're like listening to fucking punk rock and then
you start feeling angry and you hurt someone.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Well, I just meant like, for you, you could easily
be resentful of it. You know. It's it's like say
Wayne Gretzky is your dad or Tiger Woods is your dad,
and it's like I hate golf or I hate hockey.
I see, you know, like you grew up under the
Beach Boys banner and it's like every it was, it
consumed your family. So yeah, I could see you having
a little resentment.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Well I didn't. I didn't have resentment. I had inspiration. Really,
it was more inspiration because it was like I love harmony,
and I don't know if I would have loved harmony
that much if I hadn't come from the beach Boy
world or the Fleetwood Mac or that era. You know
what I mean, A Carpenter's It's like I Begie's abba
(14:48):
all these Vans bands really inspired me. The Eagles, you know,
to love harmony, and that's what started Wilson Phille just
singing on our floor.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Who were you rubbing elbows with? And I don't mean
to be a named. What I mean is musically like
who did you run into? U? And it could have
been your dad and the Beach Boys? But who did
you watching?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
You?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Go? Holy? That's that's different. They're they're transcendent. I want
to watch them. I want to be around them musically.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well, I grew up with a lot of artists around me.
I don't even know where to begin. I mean, I
mean Elton John would come over and like I would
sneak out of my room at night because he'd come
over and I'd want to go, you know, be in
the room with them, and he would put me back
in my crib and go to sleep. I mean it
was like that was I was really young. Yeah, and
(15:37):
I remember seeing at the piano with Paul McCartney. It's
just like I had these people come over. I mean,
my my teen crush and i'd a was Sean Cassidy
and he just knocked on the door one day because
they decided he's decided to record a song.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
My dad wrote, Oh my god, that had to be
a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Well I was. I was a mess. I mean they
took a picture of us and my cheeks were like
two apples were on my cheeks. It was so we
were That's like having Harry Styles or Justin Bieber or
whatever knock on your door.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
It's like, actually Harry Styles, Justin Bieber, and Ryan Gosling
all in one. Kids, if you're under fifty and you're
listening to this and you need to google Google Sean Cassie.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I mean really that was my key.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
He was on everybody's wall.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Of course, he was so yeah. I mean just like
there were all these people that would come over, but
I mean there was a difference between like the people
that would come over for parties or that a Hollywood
rocket or whatever, versus the people that I that I
grew up listening to and admiring and loving. Because there's
a whole batch of, you know, artists from the seventies
and eighties that I loved.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So did you ever meet any of the other Beatles
or was it just McCartney.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Uh, just Paul Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never met John.
I never met Ringo or George. But I love George.
I love his music.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Right Here Comes the Sun just one of the greatest
songs ever, so beautiful. They will stop me in my
tracks every time I hear it. But McCartney and then
McCartney and Wings. Oh I love Wings right that voice
is oh.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Oh, I just I actually, oh my god, I might
get in trouble for saying this, but no, I think
I like Wings better than the Beatles.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Sorry, that's not the craziest thing, you know what, that's
a hot take. I'm going to say it's a hot take,
but not the craziest take I've ever heard. I don't disagree,
because because it was McCartney's voice, and his voice was
so powerful.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
So great, and just like the sound like Wings, I
love Let him In, I love Bad on the Run.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And you could even say, I mean, honestly, if you
want to make the argument, George Harrison was better on
his own than when he was with the Beatles.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I mean, All Things Must Pass is one of my
favorite albums ever, and I just I think he's he
was an incredibly spiritual and beautiful man.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
And I mean because he got to finally write the
music that you know John and Paul wouldn't let him
write Yeah, I'm the geek. Though when that Apple, you know,
Docuseriies came out and it was pretty bloody boring, to
be honest, but I listened and watched every moment of
them in studio and to watch those guys just coming
up with these songs that changed music and changed our
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lives and they were just kind of humming the melodies
and getting I'm like, this is wild to watch.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I know. I was at the Grammy Museum recently and
I my husband does this. He once a year, this
really really good Beatles cover band. They go to the
Grammy Museum and they always sell it right out because
it's a small venue. But it's like this celebrating the Beatles.
And I got to sing help and what else we
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can work it out and a few different songs, and
it was really it was my first time I were
singing Beatles songs, but it was really cool.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
What do you listen to? Like you're just you're chilling out? Yeah,
Like you're chilling out And I'm sure you turn on
a little music when you're cooking and you're making it
tuna fish and like, what do you what do you
like to jam to?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Well, you're gonna laugh. I mean, honestly, I love disco
and I love like seventies, so I'll play like I'll
just like, say, you know, Alexa play the top seventies
disco songs, and then of course Beejesu is coming on
an Abba. Sometimes I'll be really corny and listen to
like Captain Taneil or I'll do the Carpenter is my
(19:35):
favorite female singer.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Karen Carpenter was your favorite female singer?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
It was my My favorite voice was Karen's. Yeah. But
then sometimes I'll be like I want be fifty two
s and Fire or a CDC, you know, or Boston
or Doobies. You know. I just I love rock.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Also, and like hard rock, like rock, and like what's your.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Hard rock, like just like rock and roll like led.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Zeppelin or classic like yeah Van Old van Halen, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,
got it.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Now I'm with you classic rock. And then I go
into soul land and I'll just like I'll be like
slide the Family Stone or you know, I mean, I
love Luther Vandros. He's my favorite male singer.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
A voice.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Oh God.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So let me ask you this though, because you have
your girls, and my daughter is a little older than yours.
My daughter's twenty, and so when she and her little
sority sisters are listening to music, it's often music of
our era. They are listening to the biggest hits of
our day. Not as much now. Yes, Taylor Swift is huge,
(20:42):
as you said, Harry Styles is huge, but those are
more one offs as opposed to what they really get into.
And you know, if I'm at a tailgate or whatever,
I know every song and it's pretty amazing. Are your
girls the same.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yes they are. And I remember when we were in
the car one day they were really like four and
eight years old, and I said, I want to play
you guys something, and I know you might be a
little bored, but we'll see. Just listen to this woman sing.
So I played Barber Streisen singing People from Madison Square Garden,
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like nineteen sixty performance, and I was like, just listen,
just listen.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
To the voice, listen to Babs.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
They listen to Babs and then like they listened to it.
They didn't say the word. They were totally focused, and
at the end of the song they were like, wow, Mom, Wow,
she's really she has a really good voice. I wanted
them to hear that kind of vibrato and that control
and that special voice of hers. I wanted to show
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them early.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I took one of my kids one of those iHeart.
God knows what it was, you know, where they have
maybe his awards or something. And so a lot of
people played throughout the day and this award ceremony and
it was a lot of whoever was famous at the moment,
and they were fine. No one really got out of
the we were at these tables, no one really stood up.
And then there was the Legacy Award or whatever, and
it was bon Jovi, and bon Jovi came out and played,
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and they played a lot of their hits. They ripped
the roof off the place. Everybody was standing up and
we were leaving, and my daughter is very musically inclined,
and we were talking about it. I said, did you
notice a difference when so and so was there and
we were all just kind of sitting there and it
was fine, But when bon Jovi, like rock stars, huge
rock stars, that just ripped the place apart, and you
(22:31):
couldn't help but be enveloped by that. And that, in
my opinion, and I'd love your opinion. Is that missing?
Who is that these days? I know Taylor Swift has
that it factor, but who else rock band wise that
just makes you want to stand up and dance and
sing rock band wise?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I don't know. I mean, I can't even name anyone.
This is really like random. But there's a band called
Greta Van Fleet, and Greta Van Fleet, like the lead
singer of people say like, oh, they sound so much
like led Zeppelin. He's incredible. And these guys they're like
brothers and they're really popular. They will bring down the
house and I think they're amazing. But I don't know,
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I'm really I can.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Keep waiting for like Black Keys to really explode, you know,
imagine dragons will give them their due. Anthem h I
love the anthem rock and they really crush it and
you can't help but sing along.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, they're great. I can't think of anyone now.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Isn't that wild? Country? Country?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I can Country's great.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I mean, you got Morgan Walling blowing up, you got
Luke Colms, you got Parker McCollum. There's so many country
stars that are really tearing it up right now. Not
as much on the other side of the genres, which
is really interesting. Music's in a weird, very interesting place right.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Now, it really is. It's kind of odd. I don't know.
I don't think music ever dies. I just think it's
just you just got to keep repeating and playing the stuff.
And when I'm in my car, I put on this
is really weird, but I put on the forties channel.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh wow, I can't. I can't go that far back
with you.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Oh I love it with the horns, yeah, oh, I
love it. I don't know if it's like past life
or what. Yeah, something. And then my younger daughter likes
it too.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
We love Frank sinatrazerd.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty amazing. My my wife her claim
to fame because I always ask everybody what your first
concert was, and I'm about to ask you, so get
it in your head. Her first concert was Frank Sinatra
in Chicago with her dad. I'm like, you can't beat that.
Mine was in excess. How about that? That was a
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weird one in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Pil warred up for him. I was so young and
so naive. I didn't understand that pil was a warm
up band, and I thought, is this an excess? Because
I thought I knew their music. I didn't, and I
was like, why is no hear yet? It was I
didn't understand how concerts worked. And then in Access came out.
We've been what was your first concert? This might be
an amazing weird answer. Oh, to be Beach Boys? Is
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that too easy?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
No, it's Beach Boys, of course my first Like, okay,
so I was probably Elton John at the Forum.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Oh my god, at the Hollywood Bowl in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, early seventies. Wow, yeah, Elton John.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
That must have been a time.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Did you ever run into David Bowie?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I did run in David Bowie when he was with
Iman his wife, his beautiful wife. We were in England.
We were promoting the second record or the first, and
we were we went out to dinner with the big
promoter and sitting right next to us was was David
Bowie and his wife and we said hello. He had
this beautiful thick accent and I was looking at his eyes,
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you know, in two different colors. I was like looking
at his eyes and then like his wife stood up
and she was like as tall as the ceiling and
they were so nice and beautiful and sweet, and that
was a trip.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I hate myself for not loving him earlier in my life.
I didn't catch on until probably junior higher high school
and the Glass Spider the Glass Spider Tour came along.
Get he was. I grew up in Texas, and so
I couldn't comprehend the level of his artistic whatever he
(26:27):
was doing. He was too big for me. It wasn't
my mind wasn't there yet. Yes, and so I caught
up later, but I regret that I didn't love him
earlier and understand and appreciate what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Well. I remember when Golden with Golden Years came on
the radio when I was younger, and I remember loving
the song, but never really knowing the artist or appreciating it.
Wasn't until I was in my junior high school years
that I would go back and listen and really get
into it. I loved Fame, you know, that was really
a fan of those and young Americans.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Are young American? Is that not one of the greatest
songs ever?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
It's just ridiculous how it's just so innovative and.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah original, so him. I never knew where this was
going to go. When was the last time you like,
turn on the radio and boom, there's a Wilson Phillips song.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Oh god, it happens all the time, a week, Yeah,
I know, it's great and walking on the stores. You know,
it always comes when I need it too, Like I'm
thinking about something, or I'm frustrated, or i'm future tripping
or whatever I'm doing, I'm already late or whatever, in
a bad mood or something, and all of a sudden,
I'll just hear one of our songs and it could
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be at the market. I'll hear it, and I feel
like it's a sign.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You know, you do you sing along?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah? Sometimes not very loud because that was because I
feel like, oh, you know, do.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
You like what's your what's your what would be your
go to song? Like you like? Out of the catalog?
We got one Wilson Phillips song, What is it like?
What's your face? To perform?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I'll say that, Uh, I don't know, probably hold on,
just because the interaction between the audience is so incredible.
But I love a song that we did called you
Won't See Me Cry. It's a ballad and it was
the second single off our first first single, on our
second record, and it's harmony all the way through, kind
of like release me. But oh the chor changes are
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great and I love you, won't see me cry. That's
that's my that's my baby.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Back to food.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, of course, sex, food or music. That's all there is.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
That's true. They go well together, but not in that
order anymore. Well, sex, then food is good. I mean
it should be good, right. The cookies that you make? Yeah, okay,
this is a personal thing. I'm a cookie which you want?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
What cookies I make a lot?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Well, the chocolate chip cookies. Okay, I'm a chocolate chip
cookie connoisseur. Okay, it's not a professional title. It's a
self promoted title. But I love them and I love
to bake them. What is my What is the secret?
What is like one thing that I need to add
to my repertoire, my bag of tricks of making great cookies.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
It's funny. I just made these dairy free, gluten free,
they're vegan, cherry almond cookies. They're my best cookie.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
No, come on, are they good? That sounds like a
lot of freeze.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
No, it's so good. They're so good.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So you don't cook with butter That's that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
No, I I cook with butter and baked with butter.
I just try I try to avoid butter. But but
these cookies don't have butter. But they have coconut oil,
a little canola oil and apple sauce and they're just incredible.
But anyway, I'm more about texture. I like chewy. I
like a little chrispy on the outside, chewing the.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I got you?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yes, is that you like that too? Yeah? Brown butter
is a is a good is a good one.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
You got a brown your butter.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
There's a great there's a there's great bread. But but
there are recipes where if you melt the butter because
you have to brown, you know, melt it to brown it.
But how do you work in the melted butter. Usually
you have to put the refrigerator before you you know,
you get the dough right. And then there's I also
been seeing all these these recipes where they have a
ball of dough, then you put one in the middle,
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then you put another ball of dough on top, and
you kind of like crunch together so it spreads really
dome like okay, and yeah, so but there's there's a
lot of a lot of theories about baking, soda, baking powder,
how much it rises. But generally I think under cook
here cookies, under baked them. Under bake them because that's
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how they stay chewy.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Let them finish on a little bit on the yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And now so they're really really raw, you know. And
also just like experiment, like use all brown sugar, use
a combo of white and brown, do the brown butter,
do it, ll do it melted, experiment with it and
see what happens.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I love it. When you went through your big transformation,
you lost all your weight, you were really vocal about
it and how you did it, and you like very
(31:24):
positive about it. You've worked your ass off, you changed
your life. And then ozempic comes out and I read
something where you were pretty vocal about, hey, you didn't
use ozempic, you won't use ozempic, And just what is
your feeling of those drugs, all of them that everybody
(31:44):
is now addicted to across Hollywood and you know entertainment.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well, first of all, twenty five years ago, I did
have a gastric bypass, which is a for me, it's
a medical intervention. It was an intervention because I was
really on a bad path, and so I did that
because it was my last resort. And when I did it,
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I was warned or I was encouraged really and warned
that I had to follow a certain lifestyle to keep
my health up to not become deficient in vitamins, you know,
and be sensitive to you know, a rush of insulin,
which is where someone that has a surgery like mine,
they eat sugar or they eat fatty foods, and then
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they have something called the dumping syndrome where for like
a half hour, they feel really sick and they have
to like they literally like fall asleep, and it happens
less and less now. But I was thinking about these things.
I knew that I was going to have to drink
a lot of water, take the vitamins, eat the protein first,
and exercise and not snack. And I did all those things.
And I got to my goal weight because I did
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those things. But there are people that aren't serious about it.
They have a surgery, they take advantage of it. They
don't get to their goal weight, and they gain it
back because calories and calories out. It's not difficult. But
o Zevic and Munjaro and all those drugs like they
have side effects and they don't affect everyone. But I
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was too scared to do it, and I had what
I thought were gallstones and a lot of pain. With
all this gluten and sugar. I was eating way too much.
I was in a chokehold with this stuff. I could
not stop, and I was so scared. My blood work
came back pre diabetic cholesterol up, blood pressure, medication, and
(33:34):
I'm going, you know what this is it And just
like when I years ago, when I sort of did
I did that surgery, I just made a decision one
day at a time, I'm just not going to eat
sugar or gluten. And I've been doing that since September
and I'm up three pounds and it's because I've been
snacking and promoting my show, so I'm traveling all over
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the place, so my eating is irregular. But I plan,
you know, I plan my food. I cook in advance.
I try to eat all day long, really like good
healthy snacking, and like try to put more vegetables and
protein on my plate and just don'y sugar and gluten.
And that has worked. So I'm so like centered and
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focused right now, and I know how to make food
taste good, so I add lots of lemon and lim
and citrus and and herbs and different salts and whatever
to make it taste good. And you know, different kinds
of fats rather than And I'm never gonna stop eating
cheese for a while, I only ate feta and parmesan.
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Three months I just had feta and parmesan cheese.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Oh my god, I'm Italian cheese.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I'm with you. I used to melt cheese in a
cup and eat it like soup.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I'm in Texas. We just call that queso caeso of.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Course, melted dip. Whatever you want there, cheese.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I could sit here and talk music with you and
just forever, like I love, We are on the same plane.
I don't know you love music that I love music
so much. You can see, you can kind of see this,
like I have a big U two fetish. These guys
over my shoulder right now. I love because I ran
into them when I was playing soccer in Europe when
I was sixteen years old. And just I have. I
(35:22):
love music. I love all kinds of music, and growing
up in Texas it's such a musical hotbed of growing
up with Texas, you know, folk music and in the Beatles,
from the Beach Boys to Chicago to Willie and Whalen
George straight like all of it. Just this kind of
cool amalgamation.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, great music from Texas and the whole vibe. I
think the Eagles, I think they they were from there too,
back in the day. But I have a funny, really
quick story about my dad and Bono from YouTube. Yes,
when he met my dad, he came up to me
and said, Brian, you know, I'm from you too, and
(36:00):
it's lovely to meet you. And he said, would you
go get me a diet coke? That was this reaction
when he met him. It's so classic. I love it.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Your dad asked Bono to go get him a diet coke.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I know he's much he's eighty one now old.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
He is, He's doing great.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Is he still good?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Everybody's asking, Yep, everybody's asking. He's great. He's well cared for.
He has, you know, just the very very beginning stages
of dementia. But it's I don't really notice that that
much of a difference. I think he's always sort of
been hidden in his Brian zone, which is a lot
of talking about the same stuff that he's always in
(36:45):
his mind thinking about he loves his children. He's sad
his wife died and that was hard, but you know,
it's they're trying to just keep it the same in
that house. They've got a couple of younger kids. We're
out of the house now, five adopted children. And you know,
I love to bring him food going over there Saturday.
(37:07):
I spent a great Easter with him, and it seems
like now the door is more open and we are
spending more time with him, and it's fabulous. He's doing good.
He's got lots of physical therapy. He's not really seen anymore.
I mean I sang a little Elton John with him
last time on we sang your song Yeah Theether, which
was really sweet. But he watches My Cookie Show every week.
(37:29):
He puts the TV on. He got a new TV,
a smart TV, it on and he watches it and
it's very cute.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
That's good. Well, God bless him. That's great. That's good
to hear, and I'm glad you guys. More importantly, your
relationship towards the end of his life is strong and
open and no regrets. Right, everything can be said, everything
can be expressed, which so that's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
It is, it is. It's all about appreciation now and love.
He love to he loves to say, you're my daughter,
and I love you, and you're beautiful. You're beautiful, he
says to me. He's so funny. I take his hand
and hold his hand. I love to make him laugh.
I said, I said, who's the I love to ask
him questions because I'm very curious, like how is mine works?
And then like his opinions. So I said, like, who's
(38:12):
the best female singer of dad? And like in two seconds,
Linda Ron's dad.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Oh wow, Linda Ronst Okay, I can't argue. I can't argue.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
There can't argue. And I'm like, yeah, Linda Ronstad like
underrated and just like, don't forget about Linda. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, that's it's odd to say a legend is underrated,
but you're right, she is very underrated.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
She is. Yeah, we don't talk about Linda ronstaid enough.
I mean, who could sing like that?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Nobody?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I mean just just YouTube some of her early concert footage.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Oh my god, what where is it? Where are all you
guys living now? Are you up in Oregon?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
We're we're in no, No, I'm here in Laval. Yeah,
and uh yeah, I mean but I I've been thinking
a lot about moving, like to a farm, just getting
the hell away.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
We got room in Texas.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Oh, just like yeah, just somewhere more remote, lots of land,
lots of chickens and goats and donkeys, you know. I mean,
I want to like have neighbors and have a community
store and bake for everybody. It's kind of kind of
what we're moving towards. I like it.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
I like that girl tell us where we can see
the show. Find the show on Access.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, Access TV, so it's like good old fashioned cable,
and I think there's lots of ways to see it.
We're trying to do streaming stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
But most subscribers get access Access. Go look for it
on your program guide.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
That's right, AXSTV. And yeah, and Carney sixty eight is
my Instagram. I'm always posting clips and stuff and you know,
shout outs and and and also the guests on the
show they also post on their Instagram too, So yeah,
I hope everybody loves it. There's a lot of really
fun guests. Mark McGrath was great, Sugar Ray. Sugar Ray
(40:03):
was that was a moment.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
That was a moment.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah. Oh they were awesome And I love Mark.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
He's a nice guy. I got to know him later
when he was hosting uh.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Extra Extra Yeah yeah, yeah, he was great.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah when he became a yeah, very smart but gracious.
There's some other guests that you've had. We had John
Stamos Okay, love Stamos.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Love staym Moos. We had Boys to Men, Sean Stockman
from Boys to Men, who I love so much. We
made Philly cheesteaks.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Of course they were on the Bachelor. We did a
concert with them in Santa Barbara and they were awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Oh their harmony. Yes, So of course we sang. We
sang into the road. I was dying and Lisa Lobe
d Snyder, David Archiletta, I know Snyder.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
It was twisted sister, right, twisted sister.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
And I did a show with him on the country
music channel Bay.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Does he still have the hair?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
He still has the hair, but he wore a ponytail.
He's like he's a grandpa. I mean he's he's he's
a energizer bunny. That guy. I love him so much.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Well, great show. Check it out. It's on Access TV
and Carney. It was such a pleasure to meet you,
talk to you. We got to do this again, even
if it's not on TV. We're just going to get
together and cook.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Loved it. Chris, It's great to meet you too. I've
watched you for years and I'm always just You're handsome
and sweet and you're a great host. You were a
great host. Thank you, and I'm glad you have this.
And yeah, let's just keep making the world a.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Good place and just keep up every day and win
that day. You're doing great twenty years, keep going, win
the next day.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Thank you, Thank you, you take care, Adias amigo.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most
dramatic pod ever, and make sure to write us a
review and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you
next time.
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