May 9, 2025 • 30 mins
Amy and T.J. are joined by the incredibly talented Sam Jaeger! You know him as fan-favorite characters Mark Tuello from The Handmaid’s Tale and Joel Graham from Parenthood.
He talks about the world of Handmaid’s, his relationship with the rest of the cast, what it’s like behind the scenes, his thoughts on method acting and Parenthood!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ. Today,
we are talking to one of the biggest stars of
one of the biggest and all time greatest whose series.
And it's one of the only shows that TJ and
I don't watch together.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Uh, you know what? I don't know?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
And I am so curious to hear what he thinks
about this, because, for whatever reason, it just naturally I
didn't gravitate towards this show. I respect it, I loved
the actors in it. Not Why did I not?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I really don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I think it's because men are pretty dang evil. Most
of the men are like, ridiculously evil in this series.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Can I tell you how that could be intimidating to men.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I didn't know the plot of the show until recently.
You broke it all down for me, and I said, oh,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Elizabeth moss Is is this star this show? Of course,
we're talking about the Second Tale. And you've watched a
lot of things that she's in.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
You like her, you love her. You watch things when
you see an actor or an actress that you respect,
but you never I don't know we're drawn into this.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
But you've gotten me on board now and I can't
wait to watch. But we're talking to one of the
few good guys on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
You this this is fun.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Actually, So this is the final season for any fan
out there, you know, this season six, the final season
of The Handmaid's Tale. I've watched every single episode religiously.
And our next guest was started on season two and
he was a recurring character. But you know what, it's
got to be such a huge compliment when you're a
you're a recurring character, and you're so good that people
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want more that you then become a main character seasons four,
five and now season six.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So I think maybe people can piece together.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
We want to welcome the amazing and talented Sam Jager
aka Mark, one of the good guys of The Handmaid's Tale,
to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Thanks for being with me.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
And let's say congratulate. That's a hell of a compliment. Really,
she explained, that's a hell of a compliment, an incredible setup.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Can you set me up for every interview I do
for the rest.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Of my life unless you hide girl, I'd be happy
to but no huge fan and seriously, I was actually
so curious as an actor and even maybe as a
human when you're on a show that truly is about,
perhaps even a cautionary tale of what evil and power
and misogyny can do to a society, to.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Play literally one of the only guys who isn't evil
or a rapist, or you name any horrible thing you
can think of about what the worst thing a man
could do, and you're one of the good guys.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
What's that feel like?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
You know what's so funny is I'm still like, for
the first few seasons I was on this, people were
still like, I don't know about this Mark guy.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
What's his.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
And I think because they've been so maybe scarred for
so many horrific antagonists on our show being white men,
I think they were like, oh man, this guy's going
to turn on everybody. And while he is very political,
I think that's what you know. They people don't know
where he stood for a long time, and hopefully by
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this final season they know that Mark is truly a
guy who's trying to save what's left a democracy in
this horrific landscape.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
So you said, people are still trying to figure it out,
But what was the turn? Is there anything you would
point to as a turning point or maybe even an
episode people really reacted to.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
What was the turning point?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Do you think where maybe the writers the producer saw
more in you or was it always expected that you
were going to take on a larger role.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I think I think they just kept bringing me back
because they liked the chemistry I had with Yvonne, and
it was an interesting side that we didn't get to
see from her. You know, her character, Serena plays this
kind of matriarch within Gilead, which is this you know,
government that's religiously you know, kind of centered that has
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taken over the United States and now most of North America.
And so it's one of those storylines that they thought, oh,
we can see a little more humanity in this woman
who seems so evil and evil.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
It's about you, said, matriarch. I was thinking self righteous,
b I d H. And it's true your character made
us feel something for her because you saw a number
of goodness in her right.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Well, you know, when I first got this this role,
I looked back at the only scene that had a
flashback of her, and it showed her before Gilead, and yes,
she was kind of self righteous, but she was also
this powerful feminine in a way and I thought, that's
that's the woman this character is going to fall in
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love with and try to hold on to who that
is and still hope for that. And one of the
things I think Handmaid's Tale has gotten better about is
the first seasons and throughout it is it can be.
I don't want to say it's hard to watch, because
it's a pretty riveting show, but it's it's visceral, and
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it's it's you know, it's pretty gripping and graphic and engaging.
And so I think one of the things that they,
you know, that we liked in this early, you know,
early on was Mark comes in and he's got this
this compassion and this humanity and this this hope that
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our show I think needed, you know. And here we
are in the final season and we're you know, kind
of congratulating and rewarding our fame for sticking with us
this long because it is.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's Sam, because I hadn't thought about that at all,
but you did offer, like that hope that all men
aren't terrible.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I mean, there are a couple like Luke. The character
of Luke.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Is it is it a good guy Nick, even though
he is with Gilliad, is also a good guy.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
So there are a few of you, but so far,
so few and far between. Yeah, I would say a
single character on the show is evil.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But I hadn't thought about how you were able to
bring out a warmth to the character of Serena that
you know, she was the woman that everyone loved to
hate for the first couple of seasons because she was
just so terrible and so awful. Uh, but you actually
were Are you one of the few? I guess You've
got the love story with Nick and Elizabeth Moss's character
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uh in June, but you're kind of the only other
love story really in the entire series, I suppose.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
So, yes, yes, And you know what's interesting is the show.
What I loved about that dynamic. The show is written
that these two characters are so protected and so diplomatic
and love to be the smartest person in every room,
and I think that's what they're kind of drawn to
about each other. And so it's kind of almost like
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Victorian writing. You know that these two you can get
a sense that there's an attraction there, but they don't
come out and say it. And we kind of keep
that going throughout our series, which is I think what
makes it even more intriguing because it's not like Luke
and June or June and you know that we can
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see them, you know, kind of navigate one another.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
You'll use words what, riveting, captivating, visceral to describe the show.
And I'm again I've admitted here I haven't gone through
the seasons like you have. What is the what is
the upside the takeaway from the show. Does it leave
people at some point at the end of the seasons
with some message or some feeling of hope, Because I'll
admit Sam so much of what she's explained to me
(08:09):
like whoa, that's heavy.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's fear, it's cautionary, like.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Why would watch this? Yeah? Yeah, you know, I think
one thing I love and one thing I keep trying
to get across as we, you know, share this last
season with fans is the show I think was vilified
early on as this sort of anti right wing or
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anti conservative show, and at its core, it's really people
trying to be compassionate understanding. It's a diverse cast, and
it does show kind of a cautionary tale for what
happens when we try to corral people in a democratic society,
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and so there are a lot of parallels with what's
going on nowadays. But the underlining thing for me growing
up in you know, I went to church. I sang
in the church choir from like sixth grade until I
graduated high school. So that was a part of, you know,
my upbringing in Ohio. And the thing about the main characters, Serena,
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although she's very you know, I've spoken about her very
rigid view of faith and God, June is always seeking
God and trusting and hoping, and that's her faith in
a higher power. And that's one of the things I
think has gotten lost over the years and one of
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the things that for me, you know, I keep coming
back to. It's not trying to look down at people.
It's trying to say, this is if you were in
this scenario. And this is the great thing about TV.
You can't do this in film is show nuance. In film,
it's either this guy's a bad guy and that guy's
a good guy. But we get to see how people
who are you know, who are fallible, still tried to
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make amends. And that's one thing I love exploring with
our show that I feel like our show does better
than almost any other show.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Thank you saying that was a bunch much better sales
job than she gave me, and to me, thank you
for that.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Now, okay, but.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
That really was a beautiful way to describe the arc
of the show as well. I mean, the first season
is just like but then honestly, you came in second
the second season, and I feel like that did bring
in some.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Of the art. Did you hear how she did it
the first season was that's usually her sales. To me, man,
that's a sales bitch.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Obviously, you would have had to have watched the first season,
I would imagine, at least after or at least before
signing on. What did you think of the first season
compared to the others when you jumped in.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I was just so taken, first of all, because it's
so stylistically dynamic compared to any other show, you know,
And a lot of times you'll see characters in the
like the bottom corner of a frame and then there's
a giant window behind them or a giant wall, and
it's just the way it shows all people kind of
(11:23):
kind of confined by even the frame we're watching them,
and so everything is really just almost set up like
a painting and so I think that can be That's
the first thing that I noticed about our show. But
I just feel like they they updated a book that
was written, you know, when I was a kid, and
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it made it present day. It made it, it made
it more urgent. It made it also feel like this
could happen to us at any moment. And so I
think that's one of the things that's that's hard for
people because they keep coming back to, oh this could
you know, this could happen? Or is this happening? And
that's always a conversation with our show, and that's also
(12:06):
you know, the fun thing about our show is that's
a conversation or our writers have with the audience, you know, because.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
It's so true.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
That's what all of us when we're talking after we watch,
like could that happen here?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
And for people who don't know specifically who your character is,
you are a representative of the US government that's in
exile because this Gilead, this community has taken over all
of the United States, where women are property, they have
no rights, and that's a very broad stroke there, but
you are representing what the US used to be. How
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do you engage in those conversations, because, especially in today's
political climate, but certainly even when this show began, that's
got to be something that people come up and talk
to you about all the time.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
How do you handle that?
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Right? Well, you know, I got into I got into
acting because I love, you know, I love understanding people
that aren't like me. You know, I grew up. My
siblings all do something different. They're all in service, you know,
one's a nurse, one with a guidance counselor and works
with a church, and ones in an officer. And I'm
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always referencing, you know, I always pull from those stories.
And my job is to empathize with people that I
wouldn't normally empathize with. And you know, if the great
thing about being an actor is I have to try
and figure out what compels the other side to make
the choices they do. So while I don't often agree,
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I do understand where things are coming from. As hard
as it is, it's my job, and I think hopefully
one of the things that we do on our show
is try to offer that conversation with people and show
what it's like for people that don't look like like
us or have the same you know, religious identity is
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us what it's like on the other side of the fence.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
I'm curious how that happened your your siblings, right, nurse, guidance,
counselor officer, I mean literally out there saving the world.
Really tell me I explain those dynamics. Clearly your parents
are doing something extremely right. But how do they all
up end up there? And here you are.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Well, I'm the baby of the family.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Ah, so you could, you could do.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Whatever you want.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
And I was also ignored, you know. I know my
parents just love and we're fascinated and continue to be
fascinated by what makes their children tick. That it's not
just me that it's you know, although I have kind
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of an extraordinary path. They love what my sisters do,
when my brother does, and they support and have an
interest in that. And that's one thing that I try
to carry out with my children. I try to figure
out what they love about living and nurture that. And
so I'm grateful to my parents. You know, I almost
I grew up thinking, you know, when I was a
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young actor starting off, I thought, man, you know what,
I'm not tortured enough. All these great actors have all
this background where they had horrific, you know, childhoods with
abusive parents, and I kind of need that. And now
all these years later, I'm like, no, I don't have
any baggage. I get to come to something and not
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feel like I need to protect some aspect of my
personality to perform, right, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
That's good parenting.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Right, And even on a show, Sam, you're on a
show that every guy is bad and you're still the
good guy.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
It sounds like you can un in and you know
exactly right, that's awesome that you're meant to play your
entire life? What is what's when you have a show
that heavy and that dark? What is it like when
the cameras aren't rolling among the cast?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Do you do you? Is it? Is it? Do you
break the tension with laughter? And and uh frivilty?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Like? What is it like behind the scenes in between
all of the acting?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
So fun? I mean, people on our show not only
are have all of us directed. So we come to it.
We come to it like what's the best way other story?
You know, we get we get out of you know,
we try to get as much ego out of the
way as possible. We're protective of our characters and where
their journey is. But we also trust the writing at
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this point, and we just show up and uh, everybody works,
you know, everybody is good work, and they come in
ready to ready to play. And on a you know,
on a show that's so serious, I feel like, boy,
I don't know if we'd survive if we were really
heavy handed Courtard so no.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Med acting going on behind this?
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Oh thank goodness, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I mean I was wondering, you know, I mean, how
you handle that? Because that is some heavy stuff.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
You know, it's so funny. I love I actually love
a lot of method acting and actor but I've worked
with one or two and it's so much work, not
just for them, but I was a method actor and
I saw we were doing this scene and I saw
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one of the camera crew say his name as his
actual name, and I saw ooh, and he got up
and walked around the room and I saw him like
whisper in the camera guy's ear to you know, to
say his character's name.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
And he was like, oh, I'm so sorry, sorry of course,
And I just thought, man, this is way too much
work for everybody else. How about you just show up
and pretend because you're already like there's if you're gonna
be that method, just what you're going to walk into
a room and be like what are.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
These cameras doing in here? Like just if you're gonna
be method, then just to be like, what what am
I on a stage? I'm in I'm in seventeenth century England? Guys,
just get over yourselves.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, okay, all right, that is I.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Take don't take yourself so seriously, right.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
No, because you have to be exponentially better at acting
to have people be like, yeah, I'll work with that
guy again. But he's like, I mean, you got to
be like Daniel day Lewis, where it's just like, okay,
he's unbelievable. So we can put up with that because
the product is amazed.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
It's so funny, you all time favorite actor.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
So yes, and I knew he was a method actor,
but to your point, yes, he's kind of earned the
right to be that because it's just that good.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
And I think also a generous and kind spirit as well.
So I don't you know, you know, they're not all
you know, it's like Gilead, they're not all bad on
the hand.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Fail see, he has done such a better job of
pitching this show. Well, he's got me very curious about
the show. Can I pick it up in his seasons
and be okay? Or I need some backstory season.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Two I can tell you, and you know how I
love to talk. Oh yeah, fill in the blanks for
you during a quiet moment.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I don't know if you want. I mean it needs
to be. It sounds like it needs to be your show.
You need to find a way to make it, make it.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Makes a good point. Okay, help us with that?
Speaker 4 (19:45):
All right there, I assume you have to get the Yeah,
plenty of fans out there, plenty of folks probably come
up to you on the street. Do you what is
the divide between your male and female viewership? It was
hard to find it online, But what's your understanding of
the number? Is the percentage of female viewership versus male?
Speaker 5 (20:06):
I'm sure it's female driven, but I think it's a
show that couples like to watch to get some couples.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Other couple, sam great, yes.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Other couples. Yeah, can't can't do it. But yeah, I
actually don't know the numbers. I mean that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I wish more women come up to you than men, obviously,
probably just because they think you're cute. But would you
say that's a fair statement.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
I wouldn't even say that that. No, I don't get
I don't. I'm pretty daft when it comes to people
hitting on me. So I I've always been just and
even as a celebrity, I walk around and when people
like smile at me, I just assume they're being overly nice,
not because they recognize me from something or you know.
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But as for the as for the fans who come up,
I would say it's I would say it's fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Really, whoa, that's why?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Now do you get recognized more for The Handmaid's Tale?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Maybe because it's recent or from Parenthood.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
That's still probably fifty to fifty you know, a little
more for Handmaid's Tale in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
But that makes sense that are you surprised by just
the still kind of rabid fan base that Parenthood still has.
I mean, I'm reading people are constantly asking you if
you'd be participating in a reboot or a sequel or
people want more. I mean that show ended ten years ago, correct.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Yeah, I think it remains relevant because people keep having babies,
so we're always trying to you know, figure out. You know,
we want something that feels like am I insane? Or
is this job absolutely ludicrous? Because every time my wife
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and I had a kid, it's like two years in
we're like, wait, how have we survived as a species?
Like this is so moments of this are so unbearable
that I don't know how our species was able to
be like, hey, let's do this again, but without fail.
We always forget because babies are adorable and because we
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get the value eventually that we're just like, yeah, let's
keep having kids.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
You know, I know, I saw a survey. I think
it was ten. We're all parents here.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Mine are much older now, twenty two and almost nineteen
actually this weekend. But I saw a survey that said
people I think they surveyed people in their fifties and
said people who were happy, what their happy quotion was,
And resoundingly, people who didn't have kids were happier. No, and.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I've read those I've read those studies as well. But
my submission is this, Yes, they're happier, but if you
have a child, your heart basically you know that the
DNA DNA of being a parent is I'm going to
give bring somebody into the world, and basically my heart
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is going to go walking around on the outside and
just knowing that there's always in trepidation, a caution and
a worry that goes along with being a parent, which
I think accounts for you know, you know, i'd you know,
and I'll I'll happily trade that for the joy that,
you know, the bittersweet joy that these boys bring me.
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I mean, oh my gosh, sometimes they're just talking to me.
I got, I got, I got three sons and a
step daughter, and my boys even at every age. You know,
if you have the right perspective as a parent, you're
just like my teenager says things that are so adorably teenage,
you know, like only a teenager could say that, and
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so you know he's got to relish whatever stage they're at,
because it is fleeting for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
What are the ages there in the house.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
So I've got quite a gap. We've got an eight
year old boy, a ten year old boy, and a
fourteen year old boy. And then my stepdaughter is thirty, so,
oh my goodness, and the poor thing. She has two
brothers on her dad's side as well, so she has
five five brothers.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Oh my goodness, you get all those numbing the numbers
together still eight ten, fourteen and thirty thirty, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
That's a gap. Is a thirty year old upstairs in
the house too?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
And no, thankfully she's in he's in DC with her husband,
and I don't worry about her, you know, putting her
clothes on in the morning and you know the water,
So that's great.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I do love how you put that that the worry
that does it does weigh on you. And then also
the guilt for me. Maybe I don't know if that's
just moms, but it's like that constantly. But those moments,
I would also say they're happier because sometimes you don't
know what you don't know, so they don't know what
they're missing.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Is a is a one way to look at it.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
To all those folks that don't have kids, Yes, but.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Maybe they're laughing at me because they don't know what
I'm missing.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yes, single fifty, no kids, that sounds.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Awesome, free existence with a much bigger bank account.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
No, do you really think there's a fifty year old
single folks run around going yay, I'm so glad I
never got married.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I'm glad I never had kids. Oh yeah, they look great.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Okay, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
So all right, So what I know you said, You've
you've got some directing on your resume.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
So what's next?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Where do you uh, where do you want to take
your career? Handmaid's Tale the last episode.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
We haven't seen it yet. We're very excited about it.
But what's next?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
And how did it feel to say goodbye to this
juggernaut of a show.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Yeah, well, I mean I chose a nomadic career, so
trying to figure out what's next is always you know,
trying to make peace with being momentarily unemployed is part
of the battle and just and just accepting. You know,
this is a rare time I get to be home
with my kids after traveling to Toronto for years. So
(26:32):
you know, I'm I'm I'm writing another project that's a
film noir set in Los Angeles, and and that's a
that's just kind of my you know, part of one
of my favorite kind of genres of film. I realized,
and this is weird, speaking of like, you know, terrible
men in our you know, in our I realized earlier
(26:56):
on that all of my favorite films are the same film,
which is about some guys trying to save a woman
that should not be saved, and they're all film noir,
like the conversation by Coppola or Vertigo or in a
town where you're just like, I know where you're headed,
but just don't Yeah, just don't know that that direction.
(27:17):
So film noir for me has always been just so
fascinating and I don't know what it says about me
that I'm you.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Know, you'll say that's exactly his role in.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
You literally just described your character's role with who was
trying to save a woman?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
You just described.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Yes, yes, I don't know. Maybe this is good that
I didn't put these two together until after I've done
shooting this whole series. I mean, maybe I gone into
every scene like, guys, we can't my character wouldn't say this,
or I can't go down this road. I'm glad. Oh,
(27:56):
I'm glad we're doing this interview now. Yeah. Oh, And
you know, finishing up the show was was so wonderful.
I got to be especially these last two episodes, I
feel like are great television and I'm so excited for
the fans to watch. But I got to be a
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part of some scenes that are one of some of
the most important of our series, and they're goodbyes that
not just with my but other characters. And you know,
I just it was I'm so grateful to be working
with these people. You know, to work on anything period
as a miracle as an actor, but to work with
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people you admire that you know are good people out
in the world, that's so rare.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I love just hearing your enthusiasm for this lifelong career
you've had and your gratitude for it. And I'm so
excited to watch the last couple of episodes. I think
the last one drops May twenty seven for anyone who
wants to know. But I also I think t J
and I can pass along sometimes what it's like to
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have even unexpected momentary lapses in employment.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
We experienced that a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
And the cool thing is it breeds creative new doors.
You know, things that you weren't even expecting could happen
or what happened to and you find yourself in the
position that you never thought. So I think sometimes those
moments are the greatest ones of our careers because you
get to go into a new direction that you might not.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Have even anticipated.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
What we could have used as counsel two years ago.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
So you guys, I've landed in the right spot, I think.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, we know you will too.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
We cannot wait to see what else you have in
store for us, because we will be consuming it. Sam Jager,
it was such a pleasure speaking to you. It was
so lovely to get to know you as a person
and to know you're almost exactly like your character, which
is kind of cool.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
A good guy guy, well, who should not rescue women
that don't need rescue.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Well, congratulations on all your success and we can't see
can't wait to see what you do next.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Thank you. Thanks for having me bank carry that
Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ. Today,
we are talking to one of the biggest stars of
one of the biggest and all time greatest whose series.
And it's one of the only shows that TJ and
I don't watch together.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Uh, you know what? I don't know?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
And I am so curious to hear what he thinks
about this, because, for whatever reason, it just naturally I
didn't gravitate towards this show. I respect it, I loved
the actors in it. Not Why did I not?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I really don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I think it's because men are pretty dang evil. Most
of the men are like, ridiculously evil in this series.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Can I tell you how that could be intimidating to men.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I didn't know the plot of the show until recently.
You broke it all down for me, and I said, oh,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Elizabeth moss Is is this star this show? Of course,
we're talking about the Second Tale. And you've watched a
lot of things that she's in.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
You like her, you love her. You watch things when
you see an actor or an actress that you respect,
but you never I don't know we're drawn into this.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
But you've gotten me on board now and I can't
wait to watch. But we're talking to one of the
few good guys on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
You this this is fun.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Actually, So this is the final season for any fan
out there, you know, this season six, the final season
of The Handmaid's Tale. I've watched every single episode religiously.
And our next guest was started on season two and
he was a recurring character. But you know what, it's
got to be such a huge compliment when you're a
you're a recurring character, and you're so good that people
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want more that you then become a main character seasons four,
five and now season six.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So I think maybe people can piece together.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
We want to welcome the amazing and talented Sam Jager
aka Mark, one of the good guys of The Handmaid's Tale,
to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Thanks for being with me.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
And let's say congratulate. That's a hell of a compliment. Really,
she explained, that's a hell of a compliment, an incredible setup.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Can you set me up for every interview I do
for the rest.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Of my life unless you hide girl, I'd be happy
to but no huge fan and seriously, I was actually
so curious as an actor and even maybe as a
human when you're on a show that truly is about,
perhaps even a cautionary tale of what evil and power
and misogyny can do to a society, to.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Play literally one of the only guys who isn't evil
or a rapist, or you name any horrible thing you
can think of about what the worst thing a man
could do, and you're one of the good guys.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
What's that feel like?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
You know what's so funny is I'm still like, for
the first few seasons I was on this, people were
still like, I don't know about this Mark guy.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
What's his.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
And I think because they've been so maybe scarred for
so many horrific antagonists on our show being white men,
I think they were like, oh man, this guy's going
to turn on everybody. And while he is very political,
I think that's what you know. They people don't know
where he stood for a long time, and hopefully by
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this final season they know that Mark is truly a
guy who's trying to save what's left a democracy in
this horrific landscape.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
So you said, people are still trying to figure it out,
But what was the turn? Is there anything you would
point to as a turning point or maybe even an
episode people really reacted to.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
What was the turning point?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Do you think where maybe the writers the producer saw
more in you or was it always expected that you
were going to take on a larger role.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I think I think they just kept bringing me back
because they liked the chemistry I had with Yvonne, and
it was an interesting side that we didn't get to
see from her. You know, her character, Serena plays this
kind of matriarch within Gilead, which is this you know,
government that's religiously you know, kind of centered that has
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taken over the United States and now most of North America.
And so it's one of those storylines that they thought, oh,
we can see a little more humanity in this woman
who seems so evil and evil.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
It's about you, said, matriarch. I was thinking self righteous,
b I d H. And it's true your character made
us feel something for her because you saw a number
of goodness in her right.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Well, you know, when I first got this this role,
I looked back at the only scene that had a
flashback of her, and it showed her before Gilead, and yes,
she was kind of self righteous, but she was also
this powerful feminine in a way and I thought, that's
that's the woman this character is going to fall in
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love with and try to hold on to who that
is and still hope for that. And one of the
things I think Handmaid's Tale has gotten better about is
the first seasons and throughout it is it can be.
I don't want to say it's hard to watch, because
it's a pretty riveting show, but it's it's visceral, and
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it's it's you know, it's pretty gripping and graphic and engaging.
And so I think one of the things that they,
you know, that we liked in this early, you know,
early on was Mark comes in and he's got this
this compassion and this humanity and this this hope that
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our show I think needed, you know. And here we
are in the final season and we're you know, kind
of congratulating and rewarding our fame for sticking with us
this long because it is.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's Sam, because I hadn't thought about that at all,
but you did offer, like that hope that all men
aren't terrible.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I mean, there are a couple like Luke. The character
of Luke.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Is it is it a good guy Nick, even though
he is with Gilliad, is also a good guy.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
So there are a few of you, but so far,
so few and far between. Yeah, I would say a
single character on the show is evil.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But I hadn't thought about how you were able to
bring out a warmth to the character of Serena that
you know, she was the woman that everyone loved to
hate for the first couple of seasons because she was
just so terrible and so awful. Uh, but you actually
were Are you one of the few? I guess You've
got the love story with Nick and Elizabeth Moss's character
(06:53):
uh in June, but you're kind of the only other
love story really in the entire series, I suppose.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
So, yes, yes, And you know what's interesting is the show.
What I loved about that dynamic. The show is written
that these two characters are so protected and so diplomatic
and love to be the smartest person in every room,
and I think that's what they're kind of drawn to
about each other. And so it's kind of almost like
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Victorian writing. You know that these two you can get
a sense that there's an attraction there, but they don't
come out and say it. And we kind of keep
that going throughout our series, which is I think what
makes it even more intriguing because it's not like Luke
and June or June and you know that we can
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see them, you know, kind of navigate one another.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
You'll use words what, riveting, captivating, visceral to describe the show.
And I'm again I've admitted here I haven't gone through
the seasons like you have. What is the what is
the upside the takeaway from the show. Does it leave
people at some point at the end of the seasons
with some message or some feeling of hope, Because I'll
admit Sam so much of what she's explained to me
(08:09):
like whoa, that's heavy.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's fear, it's cautionary, like.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Why would watch this? Yeah? Yeah, you know, I think
one thing I love and one thing I keep trying
to get across as we, you know, share this last
season with fans is the show I think was vilified
early on as this sort of anti right wing or
(08:35):
anti conservative show, and at its core, it's really people
trying to be compassionate understanding. It's a diverse cast, and
it does show kind of a cautionary tale for what
happens when we try to corral people in a democratic society,
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and so there are a lot of parallels with what's
going on nowadays. But the underlining thing for me growing
up in you know, I went to church. I sang
in the church choir from like sixth grade until I
graduated high school. So that was a part of, you know,
my upbringing in Ohio. And the thing about the main characters, Serena,
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although she's very you know, I've spoken about her very
rigid view of faith and God, June is always seeking
God and trusting and hoping, and that's her faith in
a higher power. And that's one of the things I
think has gotten lost over the years and one of
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the things that for me, you know, I keep coming
back to. It's not trying to look down at people.
It's trying to say, this is if you were in
this scenario. And this is the great thing about TV.
You can't do this in film is show nuance. In film,
it's either this guy's a bad guy and that guy's
a good guy. But we get to see how people
who are you know, who are fallible, still tried to
(10:05):
make amends. And that's one thing I love exploring with
our show that I feel like our show does better
than almost any other show.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Thank you saying that was a bunch much better sales
job than she gave me, and to me, thank you
for that.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Now, okay, but.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
That really was a beautiful way to describe the arc
of the show as well. I mean, the first season
is just like but then honestly, you came in second
the second season, and I feel like that did bring
in some.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Of the art. Did you hear how she did it
the first season was that's usually her sales. To me, man,
that's a sales bitch.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Obviously, you would have had to have watched the first season,
I would imagine, at least after or at least before
signing on. What did you think of the first season
compared to the others when you jumped in.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I was just so taken, first of all, because it's
so stylistically dynamic compared to any other show, you know,
And a lot of times you'll see characters in the
like the bottom corner of a frame and then there's
a giant window behind them or a giant wall, and
it's just the way it shows all people kind of
(11:23):
kind of confined by even the frame we're watching them,
and so everything is really just almost set up like
a painting and so I think that can be That's
the first thing that I noticed about our show. But
I just feel like they they updated a book that
was written, you know, when I was a kid, and
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it made it present day. It made it, it made
it more urgent. It made it also feel like this
could happen to us at any moment. And so I
think that's one of the things that's that's hard for
people because they keep coming back to, oh this could
you know, this could happen? Or is this happening? And
that's always a conversation with our show, and that's also
(12:06):
you know, the fun thing about our show is that's
a conversation or our writers have with the audience, you know, because.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
It's so true.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
That's what all of us when we're talking after we watch,
like could that happen here?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
And for people who don't know specifically who your character is,
you are a representative of the US government that's in
exile because this Gilead, this community has taken over all
of the United States, where women are property, they have
no rights, and that's a very broad stroke there, but
you are representing what the US used to be. How
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do you engage in those conversations, because, especially in today's
political climate, but certainly even when this show began, that's
got to be something that people come up and talk
to you about all the time.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
How do you handle that?
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Right? Well, you know, I got into I got into
acting because I love, you know, I love understanding people
that aren't like me. You know, I grew up. My
siblings all do something different. They're all in service, you know,
one's a nurse, one with a guidance counselor and works
with a church, and ones in an officer. And I'm
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always referencing, you know, I always pull from those stories.
And my job is to empathize with people that I
wouldn't normally empathize with. And you know, if the great
thing about being an actor is I have to try
and figure out what compels the other side to make
the choices they do. So while I don't often agree,
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I do understand where things are coming from. As hard
as it is, it's my job, and I think hopefully
one of the things that we do on our show
is try to offer that conversation with people and show
what it's like for people that don't look like like
us or have the same you know, religious identity is
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us what it's like on the other side of the fence.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
I'm curious how that happened your your siblings, right, nurse, guidance,
counselor officer, I mean literally out there saving the world.
Really tell me I explain those dynamics. Clearly your parents
are doing something extremely right. But how do they all
up end up there? And here you are.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Well, I'm the baby of the family.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Ah, so you could, you could do.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Whatever you want.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
And I was also ignored, you know. I know my
parents just love and we're fascinated and continue to be
fascinated by what makes their children tick. That it's not
just me that it's you know, although I have kind
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of an extraordinary path. They love what my sisters do,
when my brother does, and they support and have an
interest in that. And that's one thing that I try
to carry out with my children. I try to figure
out what they love about living and nurture that. And
so I'm grateful to my parents. You know, I almost
I grew up thinking, you know, when I was a
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young actor starting off, I thought, man, you know what,
I'm not tortured enough. All these great actors have all
this background where they had horrific, you know, childhoods with
abusive parents, and I kind of need that. And now
all these years later, I'm like, no, I don't have
any baggage. I get to come to something and not
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feel like I need to protect some aspect of my
personality to perform, right, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
That's good parenting.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Right, And even on a show, Sam, you're on a
show that every guy is bad and you're still the
good guy.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
It sounds like you can un in and you know
exactly right, that's awesome that you're meant to play your
entire life? What is what's when you have a show
that heavy and that dark? What is it like when
the cameras aren't rolling among the cast?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Do you do you? Is it? Is it? Do you
break the tension with laughter? And and uh frivilty?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Like? What is it like behind the scenes in between
all of the acting?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
So fun? I mean, people on our show not only
are have all of us directed. So we come to it.
We come to it like what's the best way other story?
You know, we get we get out of you know,
we try to get as much ego out of the
way as possible. We're protective of our characters and where
their journey is. But we also trust the writing at
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this point, and we just show up and uh, everybody works,
you know, everybody is good work, and they come in
ready to ready to play. And on a you know,
on a show that's so serious, I feel like, boy,
I don't know if we'd survive if we were really
heavy handed Courtard so no.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Med acting going on behind this?
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Oh thank goodness, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I mean I was wondering, you know, I mean, how
you handle that? Because that is some heavy stuff.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
You know, it's so funny. I love I actually love
a lot of method acting and actor but I've worked
with one or two and it's so much work, not
just for them, but I was a method actor and
I saw we were doing this scene and I saw
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one of the camera crew say his name as his
actual name, and I saw ooh, and he got up
and walked around the room and I saw him like
whisper in the camera guy's ear to you know, to
say his character's name.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
And he was like, oh, I'm so sorry, sorry of course,
And I just thought, man, this is way too much
work for everybody else. How about you just show up
and pretend because you're already like there's if you're gonna
be that method, just what you're going to walk into
a room and be like what are.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
These cameras doing in here? Like just if you're gonna
be method, then just to be like, what what am
I on a stage? I'm in I'm in seventeenth century England? Guys,
just get over yourselves.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, okay, all right, that is I.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Take don't take yourself so seriously, right.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
No, because you have to be exponentially better at acting
to have people be like, yeah, I'll work with that
guy again. But he's like, I mean, you got to
be like Daniel day Lewis, where it's just like, okay,
he's unbelievable. So we can put up with that because
the product is amazed.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
It's so funny, you all time favorite actor.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
So yes, and I knew he was a method actor,
but to your point, yes, he's kind of earned the
right to be that because it's just that good.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
And I think also a generous and kind spirit as well.
So I don't you know, you know, they're not all
you know, it's like Gilead, they're not all bad on
the hand.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Fail see, he has done such a better job of
pitching this show. Well, he's got me very curious about
the show. Can I pick it up in his seasons
and be okay? Or I need some backstory season.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Two I can tell you, and you know how I
love to talk. Oh yeah, fill in the blanks for
you during a quiet moment.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I don't know if you want. I mean it needs
to be. It sounds like it needs to be your show.
You need to find a way to make it, make it.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Makes a good point. Okay, help us with that?
Speaker 4 (19:45):
All right there, I assume you have to get the Yeah,
plenty of fans out there, plenty of folks probably come
up to you on the street. Do you what is
the divide between your male and female viewership? It was
hard to find it online, But what's your understanding of
the number? Is the percentage of female viewership versus male?
Speaker 5 (20:06):
I'm sure it's female driven, but I think it's a
show that couples like to watch to get some couples.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Other couple, sam great, yes.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Other couples. Yeah, can't can't do it. But yeah, I
actually don't know the numbers. I mean that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I wish more women come up to you than men, obviously,
probably just because they think you're cute. But would you
say that's a fair statement.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
I wouldn't even say that that. No, I don't get
I don't. I'm pretty daft when it comes to people
hitting on me. So I I've always been just and
even as a celebrity, I walk around and when people
like smile at me, I just assume they're being overly nice,
not because they recognize me from something or you know.
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But as for the as for the fans who come up,
I would say it's I would say it's fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Really, whoa, that's why?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Now do you get recognized more for The Handmaid's Tale?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Maybe because it's recent or from Parenthood.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
That's still probably fifty to fifty you know, a little
more for Handmaid's Tale in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
But that makes sense that are you surprised by just
the still kind of rabid fan base that Parenthood still has.
I mean, I'm reading people are constantly asking you if
you'd be participating in a reboot or a sequel or
people want more. I mean that show ended ten years ago, correct.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Yeah, I think it remains relevant because people keep having babies,
so we're always trying to you know, figure out. You know,
we want something that feels like am I insane? Or
is this job absolutely ludicrous? Because every time my wife
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and I had a kid, it's like two years in
we're like, wait, how have we survived as a species?
Like this is so moments of this are so unbearable
that I don't know how our species was able to
be like, hey, let's do this again, but without fail.
We always forget because babies are adorable and because we
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get the value eventually that we're just like, yeah, let's
keep having kids.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
You know, I know, I saw a survey. I think
it was ten. We're all parents here.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Mine are much older now, twenty two and almost nineteen
actually this weekend. But I saw a survey that said
people I think they surveyed people in their fifties and
said people who were happy, what their happy quotion was,
And resoundingly, people who didn't have kids were happier. No, and.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I've read those I've read those studies as well. But
my submission is this, Yes, they're happier, but if you
have a child, your heart basically you know that the
DNA DNA of being a parent is I'm going to
give bring somebody into the world, and basically my heart
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is going to go walking around on the outside and
just knowing that there's always in trepidation, a caution and
a worry that goes along with being a parent, which
I think accounts for you know, you know, i'd you know,
and I'll I'll happily trade that for the joy that,
you know, the bittersweet joy that these boys bring me.
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I mean, oh my gosh, sometimes they're just talking to me.
I got, I got, I got three sons and a
step daughter, and my boys even at every age. You know,
if you have the right perspective as a parent, you're
just like my teenager says things that are so adorably teenage,
you know, like only a teenager could say that, and
(24:03):
so you know he's got to relish whatever stage they're at,
because it is fleeting for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
What are the ages there in the house.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
So I've got quite a gap. We've got an eight
year old boy, a ten year old boy, and a
fourteen year old boy. And then my stepdaughter is thirty, so,
oh my goodness, and the poor thing. She has two
brothers on her dad's side as well, so she has
five five brothers.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Oh my goodness, you get all those numbing the numbers
together still eight ten, fourteen and thirty thirty, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
That's a gap. Is a thirty year old upstairs in
the house too?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
And no, thankfully she's in he's in DC with her husband,
and I don't worry about her, you know, putting her
clothes on in the morning and you know the water,
So that's great.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I do love how you put that that the worry
that does it does weigh on you. And then also
the guilt for me. Maybe I don't know if that's
just moms, but it's like that constantly. But those moments,
I would also say they're happier because sometimes you don't
know what you don't know, so they don't know what
they're missing.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Is a is a one way to look at it.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
To all those folks that don't have kids, Yes, but.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Maybe they're laughing at me because they don't know what
I'm missing.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yes, single fifty, no kids, that sounds.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Awesome, free existence with a much bigger bank account.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
No, do you really think there's a fifty year old
single folks run around going yay, I'm so glad I
never got married.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I'm glad I never had kids. Oh yeah, they look great.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Okay, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
So all right, So what I know you said, You've
you've got some directing on your resume.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
So what's next?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Where do you uh, where do you want to take
your career? Handmaid's Tale the last episode.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
We haven't seen it yet. We're very excited about it.
But what's next?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
And how did it feel to say goodbye to this
juggernaut of a show.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Yeah, well, I mean I chose a nomadic career, so
trying to figure out what's next is always you know,
trying to make peace with being momentarily unemployed is part
of the battle and just and just accepting. You know,
this is a rare time I get to be home
with my kids after traveling to Toronto for years. So
(26:32):
you know, I'm I'm I'm writing another project that's a
film noir set in Los Angeles, and and that's a
that's just kind of my you know, part of one
of my favorite kind of genres of film. I realized,
and this is weird, speaking of like, you know, terrible
men in our you know, in our I realized earlier
(26:56):
on that all of my favorite films are the same film,
which is about some guys trying to save a woman
that should not be saved, and they're all film noir,
like the conversation by Coppola or Vertigo or in a
town where you're just like, I know where you're headed,
but just don't Yeah, just don't know that that direction.
(27:17):
So film noir for me has always been just so
fascinating and I don't know what it says about me
that I'm you.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Know, you'll say that's exactly his role in.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
You literally just described your character's role with who was
trying to save a woman?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
You just described.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Yes, yes, I don't know. Maybe this is good that
I didn't put these two together until after I've done
shooting this whole series. I mean, maybe I gone into
every scene like, guys, we can't my character wouldn't say this,
or I can't go down this road. I'm glad. Oh,
(27:56):
I'm glad we're doing this interview now. Yeah. Oh, And
you know, finishing up the show was was so wonderful.
I got to be especially these last two episodes, I
feel like are great television and I'm so excited for
the fans to watch. But I got to be a
(28:16):
part of some scenes that are one of some of
the most important of our series, and they're goodbyes that
not just with my but other characters. And you know,
I just it was I'm so grateful to be working
with these people. You know, to work on anything period
as a miracle as an actor, but to work with
(28:38):
people you admire that you know are good people out
in the world, that's so rare.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I love just hearing your enthusiasm for this lifelong career
you've had and your gratitude for it. And I'm so
excited to watch the last couple of episodes. I think
the last one drops May twenty seven for anyone who
wants to know. But I also I think t J
and I can pass along sometimes what it's like to
(29:06):
have even unexpected momentary lapses in employment.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
We experienced that a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
And the cool thing is it breeds creative new doors.
You know, things that you weren't even expecting could happen
or what happened to and you find yourself in the
position that you never thought. So I think sometimes those
moments are the greatest ones of our careers because you
get to go into a new direction that you might not.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Have even anticipated.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
What we could have used as counsel two years ago.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
So you guys, I've landed in the right spot, I think.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, we know you will too.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
We cannot wait to see what else you have in
store for us, because we will be consuming it. Sam Jager,
it was such a pleasure speaking to you. It was
so lovely to get to know you as a person
and to know you're almost exactly like your character, which
is kind of cool.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
A good guy guy, well, who should not rescue women
that don't need rescue.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Well, congratulations on all your success and we can't see
can't wait to see what you do next.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Thank you. Thanks for having me bank carry that
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