January 23, 2023 • 44 mins
Reunited at a golf tournament Chris, Ben and Wells are together again! But, even this reunion is not without its drama. Wait until you find out who Ben found himself next to in the locker room (Hint: it involves his ex)!
The guys catch up, share what they learned as ‘Bachelors’ (including how to open up to other men) and they dish out some do’s and don’ts for Chris’ upcoming wedding!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heard
radio podcast. Hello and welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever.
I'm Chris Harrison. I'm coming to you live this week
from Orlando, Florida. Beautiful Orlando, Florida, UM, the Sunshine State
is living up to its name this week. I am
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here for a big golf event with the LPGA Tour,
and easily the best part of this is that two
of my very dear friends are here as well, and
that is Ben Higgins and Wells Adams, and they are
going to be my guest today on this podcasting. Guys,
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do we have a lot to talk about. There was
a headline this week and I think a lot of
people will expect me to comment on this, and I
will tell you right away I'm not going to make
a comment. I will make mention of this, and that
is Dianna, one of our former back solorettes, and Steven
Stagliano are getting divorced. And as somebody who knows them both,
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loves them both, supports them both, and as someone who
has gone through a very public divorce with kids involved,
I would never make a comment about this other than
I support them. I wish them the best during this
very difficult time and whatever they can do best for
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the kids, I know they will do and I love
you guys. So with that said, I want to bring
on my two guests, my dear friends, Ben Higgins and
Wells Adams. Gentlemen, Welcome. Wow, it's a big deal to
be here. Mr Chris. It's good to see you. I
am so happy that I get to be the jerk
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and when we're on the road, make you guys do
a podcast because I have done both. I have done
this for both of you, and I begrudgingly said, guys,
while while we're here in Orlando, we're going to do
a podcast together. Now, I'm that guy and it's the
same team from the almost Famous podcasts that's doing your podcast. Yes,
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we're all with I Heart Radio. So it feels weird
to sit on this side. I feel like I want
to just reach out and hug everybody that's helping you
put this on, but I feel like I'm a guest
here and I can't. We're all grateful to my heart
and grateful to you guys. This is something that I
we have all wanted to have happened, where we all
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ended up with the same golf event, and I we're
not going to bore you with any golf stories. Don't
worry about that. But this is our conduit to be together. Um,
whatever your social thing is that brings you together, this
brings this friendship together. We love golf, we love spending
time together. And the best part of this week I
was thinking about was we're getting it both ways. I've
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had my my time with you guys, We've had our
boy time, and now also our our wives and fiance
are here, and so we got to hang out, have
a few drinks, play some golf, talk about all the
things we wanted to talk about, and now that the
wives and the ladies are here, we're having a great time,
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but just a different time. It's a different a different dynamic.
But I'm glad we got to do both. We're all
grows up with our wives that are golf tournaments. It's
really horrible. I just think a nap. So both of
you guys took naps. But you know what's funny is
that Sarah was like, you know, golf is not her thing,
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and she was like, well, is Lauren coming? And I
was like, I don't know, I don't think so, and
she goes if I can get her to go, she's
coming because I want to hang out with Lauren and
jess and she's got her wish well. And you guys,
did I say you, I mean you the listeners. You know,
if you know Lauren at all, you know l Z
doesn't do sports. Um, she's not not into the sporting
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sports stuff. The only reason she is here is because
Sarah called her and said, you're coming, And then Jesse
is here as well. And so this is the first
time we've all been able to hang out together like this,
with the wives, with the fiance. I can't call her
a wife yet, we're not quite married. We'll talk about
that in a little bit. But I love that. I
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love that we've all gotten to this point. It's it's
nice and it's good that, like there's no stress for
me being like Jessica is gonna hang out with Lauren
and Sarah, Like it's just I know it's gonna be fun.
I'm excited for them to hang out because I'm excited
for them to spend time together. And when your friends
meet great people, it just enhances life. Because now they're
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all down here, Jessica walked all eighteen holes of golf
with me. I have a feeling that was Sarah and
Lauren here that's going to drastically decrease. Sarah and Lauren
are going to be at the clubhouse drinking mimosas, and
they're gonna be feeling great when we finished golf tomorrow.
I know Elzie's first question, where's the chicouderie? Where's the bar?
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I will see you later. I love you. I will
see you later, And honestly, it's one of the things
and we'll talk again, we'll get into all this. But
one of the things I adore about Lauren, and I
know this too about Sarah and Jess. She knows it's
my thing and she loves that. I love this. That's it,
no matter what it is. It's one of the attributes
I love most about l Z is that she she
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texts me every day. I hope you're having a great day.
I hope you're having fun with this. And I know
that Sarah and Jess supports you guys being here and
doing stuff like this because it's our thing. We're not
doing We're not professional by any means. But I love
that and I love that they're both excited. They're all
excited that we're here. It's also important for healthy relationships
for each partner to have a hobby and like a
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thing that they go do. And Sarah realizes, like golf
is my hobby, and she goes and does her thing,
and we both can support one another in those things
and then come together afterwards and be like, oh, how
is your day? Was horse riding horses fund today? Or
was dancing fund today? Was golf fund today? And I
think that's cornerstone like a really healthy relationship. It is tough.
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Your thing doesn't necessarily need to be my thing and
vice versa. Do you and jess have that too? Um,
Jessica's you know, she's a former college athlete, so a
lot of her thing. She loves going on long walks
by herself with her headphones and listening to a book
she loves to read. Um, she works out, and I
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in my marriage, it's only been a year, but she
fully supports me going to golf. No, I don't want
to take advantage of that and go every day of
the week and you know, say hey, I'll see in
you know never, but a hundred percent we have her
own thing. We come together uh, and that was kind
of uh. A pillar when we got married is that
we're gonna always keep our own things so that we
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have something to talk about the end of the day.
Also like we have something interesting to share with each other.
If not, it gets you know, boring, It's funny. I
was distracted because something just went off on your phone
and I see this beautiful picture of Jessica on your
and but you mentioned her being a track star. So Jessica,
for those of you who don't know, was an absolute
stod at Old Miss, a track star. Um Wells also
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went to Old Miss. Totally different kind of rock star,
totally different experience at Old Miss. Yeah, I was running
a lot, but it was from the law. So I
apologize to all the listeners because I I we totally
got sidetracked and I have buried the lead. So when
we come back, we will jump into the tea that
has spilled in Orlando. Goodness, the drama that has enveloped
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this event when we returned. Welcome back to the most
dramatic podcast ever. Chris Harrison here in Orlando with two
very good friends, Ben Higgins and Wells Adams. So we
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arrived last Tuesday for this event. Before I get on
the plane, I get a text message from Ben Higgins
in the locker room, and it's our our lockers. They're
nice enough to give you lockers at this event. It
says Chris Harrison on the locker. It says Ben Higgins
on the locker sea alphabetic order. Next to Ben Higgins
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is Chris Lane, country music star. Do I do? I
need to explain who Chris Lane is and this whole thing,
so can I? What's the thumbnail sketch of this? I
think you probably have listeners outside of back stor Nation.
I think it's important to explain the the whole situation. Okay,
I will try to explain this very quick. This is
the thirty thousand foot flyover. Ben Higgins was the bachelor.
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At one point he was engaged to a very nice
woman named Lauren. They broke up amicably, and Lauren has
since gotten married and had children with country music star
Chris Lane. And we are all together here at the
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Gulf Tournament in Orlando, and his locker is right next
to Ben Higgins. I mean, and when you say right
next to it's it's right next to me mine. Before
this tournament, I haven't seen Laurence since we broke up,
I don't. I don't think I've seen her once. And uh,
obviously life now has moved far beyond that relationship, but
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that relationship still is an important season or you know,
time in my life. And so I would be lying
if I if I wasn't a little anxious about the
idea of, you know, being at this tournament with Lauren
and Chris and then also Lauren's family, who I imagined
was going to be coming down, and no matter what,
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we're all adults, So I wasn't worried about the outcome
or how we'd handle it. I was mostly just saying, hey,
this is a fun week of golf. This is gonna
feel odd, you know that first running like what's that
gonna be? Like? You just I don't know if anybody
out there, and maybe I'm wrong, is like super jacked
to see somebody who they've split ways within their life,
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you know, amicably, but they split ways with them. So
I was I was anxious about it, um and then
to walk into the locker room and see that, oh,
we're gonna be definitely running into each other, Like there's
there's some people that Serma, I haven't seen yet at all.
I haven't seen him ever. But no, we're gonna be.
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We're gonna be putting our shoes on, changing together, changing,
showering together, sna ing together. Um. So I have so
many things, and there's another great story coming up about dinner.
But just to give you the details, Lauren is not here.
She didn't come. Um, she's I believe, home with the kids.
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Lauren's dad is here. I talked to him. I talked
to Chris and and his brother. His twin brother is here,
Caddy and for him, and Lauren's dad is here. He
came up and said hi to me as well. But
as far as when we would run into them, it
happened the first night. Wells and Ben and I are
at the bar here at this beautiful hotel, and sitting
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two ft away at the bar is Chris Lane, his
bandmates and his brother and you're right there. Did you
guys have a moment? Did you say hello? Hug it out? Well?
I mean, I'm sure for him, he obviously no. You
know knows our history as well. So right away I
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saw him. He didn't see me, so this that he
was kind of had his his head turn and I
walked up and I said, Hey, Chris, good to see you.
I just I had told Jessica like I wanted to
say hi. I mean, one, he has a there's a
lot of things that congratulate him. On to two children,
Congratulations to Chris and Lauren. God bless him. Um. And
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you know he's down here at the Gloss for the
first time. This is my fourth year, so I'm kind
of a vet at this and so I just I well,
I told her, I was like, if I see him,
I'm just gonna go say hi because I would like
to say hi anyways. Um, and so I did. I
just walked up and I said, hey, Chris, and I
will tell you, Um, it has been nothing but great. Uh,
it's been nice to to talk to him. It wasn't
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It's not been the only time I've talked to him.
It's there's been four or five now run ins and
encounters and we talked golf and and then Lauren's dad
and I were able to catch up. Um. He actually
said hi to me. I didn't. I walked past him
and he said Ben, which felt really good. Um. I
wish it was you bed Son come home. Definitely not Yeah,
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not no, I think he's very happy with where his
life shook out. But um, yeah, it's there's just a
lot to break down. It's hard to explain that moment
and how to handle it well. And but I will
tell you, Chris was it was really nice and it's
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been fun to be around them at this tournament and
I'm glad we did it like it. You know, when
you go through a breakup, there's always that moment where
like the band aid gets ripped off afterwards and then
you can start to heal. I kind of and I
don't even know, but they kind of felt like that
a little bit too, where it's just like, Okay, if
Lauren comes down tomorrow, I don't know if she is
or not, and I run into her, it will be
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good to see her, Like, it will be nice to
just like say, okay, we've done this next chapter of
our lives. You disagree, no way. Man, If my girlfriend
was my ex girlfriend was here, I'd be like, I
do not want to see them at all. You're just
too nice of a guy. Well, I don't know if
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like you would have said, hey, what's your preference, Like
if if like is your preference that you're gonna be
hanging out and having dinner all of you at the
same table like one. This is because like this is
a special event for you. I know you look forward
to it all year and and for this to have happened,
I know this isn't the dream scenario. But as well
as just stated very accurately, you are a great guy.
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Because what I noticed at the bar the dynamic. And
I was actually talking to Chris because I was at
the bar ordering drinks for everybody, um, and Chris was there,
so we sat there talking and you know that he
had been on the show before and catching up on
the kids and how tired he's been because they have
a newborn and so um. But to watch you, you
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could have easily ignored the situation, acted like the elephant
was not in the room because he didn't quite make
eye contact, so it took you to walk over to
do that. Not that he was ignoring you, but I'm
just saying I don't think you guys could have easily
just ignored each other and acted like this thing didn't exist.
And instead you burst the bubble and just said, hey man,
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you see you. Yeah. Well, And it also could have
gone when I said that, he could have been a
jerk to me, and he wasn't, so, you know, so
it moves it to a healthy place. He could I
could have walked up and be like, dude, don't talk
to me, and then it would have been like, well, crap,
now though we have four days of weirdness. He didn't
at all. It was a you know, it was a
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healthy and like interaction. Um no, I will admit that
if you wrote down, hey, what's your dreams new? Like,
this is a big event for me. You know, my
family's down here, my wife is down here, my friends
are here, Like I've dreamed of playing golf with Chris
and Welles in one of these tournaments for six years,
Like it has been something that I've wanted to do,
and I always wanted to do it here because this
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tournament is so fun to me. It's it's just a
really good tournament and it's and it's a healthy atmosphere.
And so to have that happen at this thing that
I hold so sacred and special would not be ideal.
Be honest. Are you are you happy that Wells and
I were here to witness this with you? Or is
this your biggest nightmare? Both both. I'm glad that we
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can do this because now we can talk about a podcast.
And I'm I'm so thankful that we can give you content.
I've been I've been saying all week, thank you, Ben,
You've been You're writing my podcast. Day after day, You've
been adding and I thought, I thought this was going
to crescendo um on Friday because the tournament directors reality, Yeah,
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the tournament directors are not Bachelor fans, clearly because the
TV producer, the sick twisted mind of me um So,
Chris Lane and Ben Higgins were very close in the
point totals, and I thought, well, you're gonna put them together.
You're gonna make them play together against each other. That's
just a no brainer. And they didn't do it. Instead,
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the good thing is Wells and band got to play together.
I was very jealous, you guys got to play together.
But I was so bommed. I thought, Oh, this is magic.
I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have five episodes to
cover on this whole day of you guys. But it
didn't happen. But something did happen, and there is a
story that will make you cringe, make you cry, and
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make you laugh. And that's next, Welcome back to the
most dramatic podcast ever, Ben Higgins Wells Adams. Here in
my hotel room. We're here in Orlando for an amazing event,
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the LPGA Tour. Thank you to the LPGA Tour, by
the way. So this has been a real family affair.
We've been eating meals together. So we're at dinner the
other night. We're just at a little pizza place having
a beer, and there's a guy that I don't really
know him that well. His name is Trip. He's a
caddy and somehow we mentioned the name Chris Lane. Wells Adams,
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please take the story from here. So we're all out
to dinner and we explain to Trip that, uh, this
Chris Lane's there, and so he decides to He's like,
I don't know who that is. So he looks him
up and he finds a picture and he goes, well, look,
his wife's pretty freaking hot. Look at her and and
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points the phone at I'm sitting next to Ben at
me and then and I had this look of utter terror.
I was like, I don't know if you're messing with
us or not. He's like, what, you know who that is? Right?
And he goes, no, she's just it's a hot chick
hat spends X and they got engaged to on television,
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and Wills didn't even do it full justice of how
uncomfortable this moment was when this guy and it was
as if we were shooting this for television. Wells and
Ben and I are lined up so the three of
us can see this guy when he turns the phone
around and he says, God, Chris Lane's wife is she's
a smoke show. And I'm like, I looked at Wells,
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I go, He's he's joking right in this case, No, man,
she's really hot. And I thought this guy is either
the smartest, most genius comedian I've ever met, or he's
the dumbest human being. Turns out it's the latter, unfortunately.
So he was going on and on about how hot
Lauren was to Ben and Wells and I and I
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finally just said, buddy, you gotta stop talking. You gotta
shut up, because he kept making it where he was
trying to make it better, because you know, when you're
really uncomfortable and you're like, no, I mean she's just
Smulls don't know, I really want to be with her.
It's like I want to take a bathroom, like please
stop talking, just stop talking, and it got worse and
worse and worse. Ben Higgins, Yeah again. Um, I'm really
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I'm really thankful that this weekend that I love so
much has has been so good and it has I mean,
these are good moments that make me laugh. I mean
they're funny now because to to fix the situation, I mean,
it was awkward for a long time and I almost
I just didn't say anything for walks. I was like,
this is so weird, and like, I don't know how
to respond, you know, how do I respond to him?
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Be like she's really hot? Like cool man, like yes,
just stop talking, Like there's no good thing I can
say here, Like there's no way out of this. And
so finally when he finds out that that she is
my ex, to heal it, he finds a picture of
my wife and he goes, she's really hot too, and
I'm like, dude, stop, I forgot about my god talking.
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That's what I forgotten. When he goes, oh my god, yeah,
I know, thank you, but making it worse, I'd have
sex with your wife too. It's exactly how it felt.
It's exactly how it felt. To me, it was awesome
and in all seriousness, and I'm sure your listeners can relate.
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These are very weird life moments. They are life moments
that don't always happen, but to some they happen. You
have an ex wife, you have an ex husband, you
have an ex friend, whatever, and you see them again,
and how are you going to handle it or how
are they going to handle it? What is going to
be said and not said? And it could not have
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gone it has not it could have not gone better
in real life than what I could have imagined. Like,
it's been a really good thing. There's just been these
funny little moments in between, like, hey, what I love
to have? I've like when before I even saw Chris
and ran into him. What I want his locker right
next to mine? No, uh, what I want? The guy
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across the table holding up a picture of my ax
in front of my family and me and everybody else
and be like, no, she's really hot. No I don't
want that. And I wanted all of it, but it happened.
It happened. But and you're right, I would say, if
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you can get over yourself, swallow your pride, these moments
can be cathartic, and you realize none of this is
that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
Everybody's good. You can actually be grateful for it and
be happy, and nobody really cares that much at this point.
And look when you're in the weeds of it and
it's happening to you right now. Um, you know, I
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mentioned Dianna and Steven Stagliano unfortunately going through what they're
going through, and like right now, they're in the tempest
there in the middle of the storm. They're out at
that moment, but they will be and it's my hope
for them and and my my prayers for them is
that that it will get to that point when you
can see them again. I've gotten like that with my
ex um Lauren, and I spend time with her and
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her husband. It's about our kids. It's about making everything
okay for them. So when you can get to that
point and laugh about it, it's a good thing. It's
a healthy thing. And and look, I think the good
Lord above has shined down upon you some grace and
let you play incredible golf, and that makes it okay.
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I still want to win. I still like there's a
few people in this field that I would really like
to beat. Two of them are sitting in this room
with Yes, we're not competitive at all. Chris Lane is
another one. UM do him? You got him? Yeah, I
don't know. I know, I can't say as much about
beating Wells and I, but you'll definitely, you'll definitely take
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Chris home. And it was It's been an amazing week
and that was definitely great laughter for us. I want
to talk to you guys about life. We here's here's
a very interesting thing about it. I was thinking about us,
the three of us. One of the things I love
about the show is the couples that come out of it,
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and you know, some of them are married. And but
then I thought, you know, we are a throuble that
has come out of the show. The only reason the
three of us hang out together and are such good
friends is because of the show. And one of the
gifts of this show is that we we are one
of the successful couples. And I am grateful for that
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and it we all bonded over, you know, pretty much
after our time on the show. But I love that
about the show. Yeah, I would. I mean, when somebody
asked me about the show for me now, well, you know,
probably I won't speak for them, but probably a little different.
You still, you know, working on it. It doesn't I
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can't point to a lot of things that it's still
a part of my Like the show is not really
a part of my life anymore, um, obviously except for
my podcast that I heard, except for weekly um. But
like the involvement the show, the thing that I'm most
that that I take away the most is the friendship.
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A lot of those friendships have revolved around like shared
interest golf. Um. But it's something that I've I'm I'm
very thankful for because I never wanted to lose that.
That would be really sad for me. If you know,
Chris and I wouldn't hang out again, you know, post
my time on The Bachelor. That's something that's meant a
lot to me, is if like you know, I was
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kind of there for six months gone, and you know,
I move on with my life and you move on
and we go our separate ways. Because it is such
an impactful season for It was such an impactful season
for me, you know, for Wells and I, uh, a
lot of what we do is was never associated with
the show. Because we weren't on the same season. We
met outside of that through my heart actually and been
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able to hang out. These are friendships that I really
care about, the people that I that I want in
my life, and that that's super special and it's something
that the show, you know, the romantic side of it
is obviously such a big part of that, but the
friendships and the other storylines I think are really cool
to focus on two to see who hangs out with
each other post show after so many years. One of
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the things I noticed wells about us, and I think
it's probably indicative of the show and how we have
expressed our feelings. We talk, I think more intimately, more
honestly than most guys do, because I think we're just
used to it from the show, Like we go deep
and again it was boys time before the ladies showed up.
Usually when the ladies are here, we get deeper because
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ladies are just better at that. There that that is
their sport is talking, that's that's their activity. We actually
do that. This group right here does it more than
I do with my other buddies, and I think it's
because probably of our on the show. Well, I do think, uh,
you know, the Batchel of the Batch and Batchroom Paradise
are all you know that. I think that the mission
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statement is people getting engaged and married. But at the
end of the day, it's a relationship show, whether it's
relationships with like on my season of the Batch Story,
like I was friends with a bunch of the dudes
and hung out with all of them afterwards. Um, And
I think that the the fans of the show like
to see that almost as much as they like to
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see the people happily in love and stuff. Um, you'll
go to these these like crazy events where they have
like the guys on stage and and they're all there.
It's all the buddies, and I feel like that's more
important than to the fans. And if it were the
engaged couple, which I think is cool, but for us, yeah,
I think, um, well, you were never on the show
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as a contestant, but like the thing that that show
taught me the most was like how to be able
to talk about your feelings to other guys, which is
not a thing you normally do, but on the show
you do these things called man chats what they're called, right,
But I remember something like it. They'd be like why
don't you guys have a man chat over there and
you're like, what man would talk about the bears, I'm
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gonna talk about your feelings, and we got I got
so used to it. Then I brought it into my
regular life and we do it now and it's a
very I think, a very healthy, healthy thing for guys
to do that don't normally do, and to to speak
on that too. I remember the moment where I said,
I like Chris Harrison. I do when do we fall
in love? That moment? Yeah, so you're on I'm on
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the show, I'm the Bachelor. We're in Jamaica at this
amazing I'm just saying, at this amazing mansion before after
those special brownies I don't know by during um brownies
they were just brown Yeah, they're just brownies. If you
ever go to Jamaica, try to find the brownie the
brownie man on the side of the road. He is magical.
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And uh no, I'm at this huge mansion and it's
very empty, and then a bunch of producers move in
with me. I don't still know why. I'm assuming it
was to make me go crazy, and they did a
pretty good job at it. Um and so there was
like an off day, and I had been so produced
for so long. And it's not messing with my head,
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it's not getting in my head. It's just you're tired
of being asked questions, You're tired of being asked about contestants.
You're just exhausted from talking about love. And all of
a sudden, out of nowhere, Chris shows up. And I'm
sitting on this couch in my like four minutes of silence,
and I'm like, gosh, dang it, here we go again,
like where's the cameras at? And he just sits down
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and it's Sunday and he turns on the football game
and I still remember the game. It was like Bill's Eagles.
And we watched football, and we watched the whole entire game,
which was the most normal thing I had done in
three months. And we talked fantasy because I still had
a fantasy team that they were helping me, uh navigate,
And we talked football, and we talked about who was
going to be in the playoffs, and we talked about
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what the future and I all of a sudden I said, wait,
like this has there's no ulterior motives here. He just
came to watch football with me, Like, this is the
most normal I felt in three months and it and
it really was like I like this guy, Like I
actually could could kick it with this guy outside of
this show. Um. It was a very like humanizing, real
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moment for me that said, no, I can make it
the next two weeks of this thing, just from that
little breath of fresh air into the real life. I
don't know if you remember that. I do. Yeah, I know,
I absolutely remember that the three our three lives have
changed dramatically over the last year to two years. You
guys are newly weds. I am a newly wed to be. Um,
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how is life changed for you guys as newly weds.
It's in audience first, you know, it's been a year
and two months. For me, it's slowed down a lot.
I think is the biggest change for me. Um, I'm
home more. I don't want to be away as much.
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I used to travel weekly from multiple days. I don't
enjoy that anymore. I always now fighting to get back home. Uh.
It's slowed down in the sense that Jessica and I
enjoy spending time together. She works out of the house.
I work, uh from my home office and when she
comes home. Our evenings together are special. We have dinner,
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we catch up on our day, we go for a walk,
we go to bed, uh and watch a little Netflix like.
It's a very it's a very um slow pace that
is so healthy and that I enjoy like I have
fun with it. When I tell people this, like, it
sounds like you're sixty years old, and I hope, So,
I hope I'm doing the same thing at sixty years old.
I hope I'm enjoying my time with my wife. I'm
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hope I'm hoping that we're staying in tune with where
we're at in our lives. I think that's a big change.
I think. Um. The other change for me is a
new sense of responsibility um as just being a husband,
Like I have to be aware of where my wife,
you know, emotions are at, where she's at physically, what
you know, where she's feeling about her career path and
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her dreams. Uh. And that's a new responsibility that I
hold onto that I didn't ask myself to hold onto.
I didn't expect it, but it's it's implemented in my
life now and so that's a huge part of my
thought processes. How's jess at like doing? Like how where
she at? Um? And it's what I enjoy? Uh but
those are being big changes that I didn't expect. Wells,
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what about you? The thing was that we were engaged
longer than we dated because of COVID because we had
to wait for our wedding venue to allowed us to
have a bunch of people come and celebrate our wedding.
So I kind of lumped those years together, like I
think that like me being married is very similar to
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like when we were engaged and was like we're going
to be married or whatever. So these past you know,
three and a half years have been really wonderful and
I think it's it's so like not the sexy answer,
I think, and it's not something that people no one
ever told me. But the most wonderful thing about getting
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married is uh I mean a satta from like the
cool sex that you get to have all the time.
Cool sex, Yeah you get Can I just tell you
you ruined it right there? Cool sex? Chris. I don't
know if anyone told you get you get to do
the sex? Uh No. But all joking aside, because once
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you get married, you don't have sex. Uh um. You
get a teammate, like and having someone on your team
is like so invaluable And it's not a sexy answer
and it's not like the thing that anyone tells you,
but it's so true when you have someone who's like
always rooting for you, whether it's real wise or emotionally.
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That's one thing, but also like someone that's always helping
you out when you go to parties and like someone
gets like too drunk and the other one's like, hey,
we're gonna go now together, or like oh shoot, I
know that guy, but a note, remember his name. Don't worry.
I'll go up to him and I'll behave I'm Sarah.
What's your name? Got you? Like that kind of stuff
is so nice and it's like very comforting to have,
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like you're just kind of like forging through life. Someone's
always in your corner. Yeah, it's really really nice. And
like for Sarah, she is outrageously successful and like so
good at her job and it's been really really wonderful
to sit back and watch someone like just knock Grand
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Slams out of the park every year and so and
I think for her it's like it's really nice to
have me. They're like cheering her on and stuff, you know,
so it means so much more success and failure. Yeah,
it all is so much better with someone on your side. Um,
that's so true too, Like, and because Sarah goes up
for roles that like are huge things that you guys
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are all watching on TV. IREC run lines with her
sometimes and she doesn't get them, which is insane to me.
And it's tough. That's tough on her. And I'm such
a like, uh even keeled, pragmatic person where I I
can like calm her down and be like, it's okay,
it's not you know, the next thing is going to
be huge, like, and she leans on me for those things,
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and that stuff is that I think really important. It's
it's absolutely huge. And the sex in the cool sex,
the sex but also the cool sex. Um. When I
think back on all of us, but especially you two
from the show, when I got to know you as
just these young men that were doing this crazy thing
(35:49):
to where you are now, it's stunning to think how
much life has changed on every level. Yeah has, but
that's I mean, you know, I would credit that season
of life for where I'm at now. Um, And like,
well I said I think I'm I'm a better husband.
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Don't if I'm a good husband, I'm a better husband
because I do know how to speak about my emotions.
I do know how to be intentional. And and also
that season was was interesting. And I don't know if
this is what you're referencing, but when you get off
the show, you're known as a single, available human, like
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you are in the dating pool, and everybody knows that
you're interested in finding a partner. And if you do
the show, well, then you hold yourself to a standard
and you present yourself as somebody that could be a
decent partner. And then you the longer you're off the
show and the longer in the dating pool, the more
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you get known for being the single guy. And now
in my life is not that and it will never
be that again. But that be came my identity personally
for so long, was like, yeah, I'm I'm I'm available
and willing to date, and you know, and now that's
not a part of my life. And it's beautiful. It's
a beautiful cut off. It's a beautiful divorce, and but
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it's a whole different path. You know, I'll never you know,
God willing be single again. Now you're just the boring
guy that takes naps. Now I'm the boring guy that
takes nas because I played eighteen holes of golf and
I'm exhausted. We will wrap this up because no joke.
We're about to go to a huge family dinner all
of us. UM. But before we do, I need advice
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from you guys. Yeah, I gotta turn the tables. The
last time I got married, it was the nineties. I
saw a wedding on love boat. But I think it's
changed since then. Um, and you guys are newly weds.
I am going to be I'm gonna be going through
all this. What the big look I know are why
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your wives are going to hear this. We have to
be very careful. Do not get divorced over this answer.
But tell me what you would keep? What do you
think I should definitely do Lauren and I should do
at our wedding? What should we not do? What? What
one thing or anything would you not do? Again? Okay,
my wedding is more recent, so it's fresher in my mind,
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so I'll go first. Okay, what you should definitely do? Um?
And you might have done this? Um? First one I
don't know, Bene if you did this, but someone gave
me this advice and it was it was great. They said, Okay,
after the ceremony, everyone's at the reception, steal away for
a little bit, try to find some like higher ground
(38:44):
and go upstairs, just you two and look down on
all the people there that are celebrating your love and
are there because they love you. It was like a
super powerful moment. And it was so funny because in
seeing all these like weird amalgamations of friends come together
and hang out and laugh and drink and have this
amazing time, and it was like we did this, like
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what a weird thing, Like we brought all these people together.
That was really cool. That was one of my favorite
things of my wedding. The thing that I would say
to not do or like to create boundaries for, is
your photographer. I loved our photographers, but they and I
know in their minds, they want to capture everything for
you because it's a whirlwind and you and you know
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you don't remember everything and you want to have those keepsakes.
But the truth of the matter is what you really
want is to be able to spend a substantial amount
of time with the people that you love and when
that gets started and taken away from me because they
wanted to get this shot over here and this magic
out and all this stuff. And I remember there was
a moment in the night when they were taking a
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lot of pictures and I had to say, Hey, you
know what, let's just do candids. I really want to
spend time with all these people that flew out here
and spent money to be with us and all this
kind of stuff. And U I wish I had done
it earlier and set boundaries. And I can't remember what
your third question was, Well, that was the main thing.
It's it's what's different from the nineties. I know what's
(40:10):
different from the nineties. Um. Yeah, that's, by the way,
great advice. And Ben, is there anything what advice would
you give me as I head into this chapter of
my life again? Well? I think the logistical advice we
were given was to invest the most money in good
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drink and good music. And I think it worked like
if you have a good band or a good DJ,
whatever your you know, your budget is, and whatever you're
kind of wanting, just make sure they're good. Um. The
kind of um sentimental advice we got was to take
a deep breath during the ceremony and similar to wells
(40:57):
and look out over the people sit in front of you,
like to make it an awkward like I just want
to try to make eye contact and see this because
it is a very special moment and it means a lot.
And I was told the day of my wedding there's
two times that everybody in your life comes together to
celebrate you, your wedding day in your funeral, and I'm
really glad I could be there on my wedding day. Um,
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we did something different and I don't know if it's
for everybody, but the most fun thing, um I thought
about our wedding, or the thing that Jessica and I
really wanted was we didn't do a sit down dinner,
And so as soon as the ceremony got over, the
bar opened up, the band started, and we rolled right
into the party. So we didn't sit down. There was
grab and go food everywhere. That just was mostly because
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Jessica and I didn't want to be up till midnight
and we're like, hey, if we don't have dinner, then
we can have a four and a half hour party
that everybody's dancing in UM, the thing I would take
away will be the thing that I would probably get
divorced over saying, but it just I don't remember our
flower arrangements. I just know they cost a ton of money.
Like I don't remember what flowers we had anywhere. I
(41:59):
see pictures and I'm like, I had no clue. You
should have seen the flowers at Wells. Yeah, I thought
I was in a duck blind. It just to me,
and I know somebody out there is like, your crazy.
These are so important to me, I just don't remember him.
To the floral Society, we mean no harm. We love flowers.
You're talking to three guys here that you know, but
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that that would just be it. But I think they're
very important because I think Jessica really loved our flowers
and really found them special. To me. I would just
say like, yeah, yeah, I could go without. UM fellas,
thanks for being here, thank you, Thanks for thanks for
being in my life. I truly appreciate you guys. I
love you both. UM. I've said this many times over
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the last year and a half to two years, how
much I appreciate both of you, UM immensely, and your
support has meant the world to me and l z
Um and I just love you guys and I this
week has been so magical on so many levels. I've
loved it. We've had every meal together, we've hung this
is like fantasy camp for us. It's been really special.
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I appreciate it. Well. It's a long time coming because
last year Ben and I played in it and we
were texting with you and we're like, next year we're
all going to do this together. And the fact that
we got to do it, it's really really special and
we got to get like one big golf picture together
so we can hang it up on the wall because
this is a long time coming, and it's it's so cool, man.
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And to have to have our stage of life here
where the wives are here, my fiance, to have mom
and dad here, Mom here, brother, It's it's just a
cool cool of that. And it's just been a special week.
It sure has. Well. I love you guys. It's been
a lot of fun, a big week in front of us.
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We get to act like we we have along on
a golf course with a bunch of really great professionals.
But this is this is special. Who's buying dinner tonight? You?
It's your turn I can write it off on the podcast.
Thank you for joining us, to my two guests Wells Adams,
Ben Higgins, and to you Dramination. Thank you for the support,
(44:11):
for the love, and always for listening. I'll talk to
you next week because we have a lot more to
talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at
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This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heard
radio podcast. Hello and welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever.
I'm Chris Harrison. I'm coming to you live this week
from Orlando, Florida. Beautiful Orlando, Florida, UM, the Sunshine State
is living up to its name this week. I am
(00:23):
here for a big golf event with the LPGA Tour,
and easily the best part of this is that two
of my very dear friends are here as well, and
that is Ben Higgins and Wells Adams, and they are
going to be my guest today on this podcasting. Guys,
(00:43):
do we have a lot to talk about. There was
a headline this week and I think a lot of
people will expect me to comment on this, and I
will tell you right away I'm not going to make
a comment. I will make mention of this, and that
is Dianna, one of our former back solorettes, and Steven
Stagliano are getting divorced. And as somebody who knows them both,
(01:12):
loves them both, supports them both, and as someone who
has gone through a very public divorce with kids involved,
I would never make a comment about this other than
I support them. I wish them the best during this
very difficult time and whatever they can do best for
(01:35):
the kids, I know they will do and I love
you guys. So with that said, I want to bring
on my two guests, my dear friends, Ben Higgins and
Wells Adams. Gentlemen, Welcome. Wow, it's a big deal to
be here. Mr Chris. It's good to see you. I
am so happy that I get to be the jerk
(01:57):
and when we're on the road, make you guys do
a podcast because I have done both. I have done
this for both of you, and I begrudgingly said, guys,
while while we're here in Orlando, we're going to do
a podcast together. Now, I'm that guy and it's the
same team from the almost Famous podcasts that's doing your podcast. Yes,
(02:18):
we're all with I Heart Radio. So it feels weird
to sit on this side. I feel like I want
to just reach out and hug everybody that's helping you
put this on, but I feel like I'm a guest
here and I can't. We're all grateful to my heart
and grateful to you guys. This is something that I
we have all wanted to have happened, where we all
(02:39):
ended up with the same golf event, and I we're
not going to bore you with any golf stories. Don't
worry about that. But this is our conduit to be together. Um,
whatever your social thing is that brings you together, this
brings this friendship together. We love golf, we love spending
time together. And the best part of this week I
was thinking about was we're getting it both ways. I've
(02:59):
had my my time with you guys, We've had our
boy time, and now also our our wives and fiance
are here, and so we got to hang out, have
a few drinks, play some golf, talk about all the
things we wanted to talk about, and now that the
wives and the ladies are here, we're having a great time,
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but just a different time. It's a different a different dynamic.
But I'm glad we got to do both. We're all
grows up with our wives that are golf tournaments. It's
really horrible. I just think a nap. So both of
you guys took naps. But you know what's funny is
that Sarah was like, you know, golf is not her thing,
(03:45):
and she was like, well, is Lauren coming? And I
was like, I don't know, I don't think so, and
she goes if I can get her to go, she's
coming because I want to hang out with Lauren and
jess and she's got her wish well. And you guys,
did I say you, I mean you the listeners. You know,
if you know Lauren at all, you know l Z
doesn't do sports. Um, she's not not into the sporting
(04:09):
sports stuff. The only reason she is here is because
Sarah called her and said, you're coming, And then Jesse
is here as well. And so this is the first
time we've all been able to hang out together like this,
with the wives, with the fiance. I can't call her
a wife yet, we're not quite married. We'll talk about
that in a little bit. But I love that. I
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love that we've all gotten to this point. It's it's
nice and it's good that, like there's no stress for
me being like Jessica is gonna hang out with Lauren
and Sarah, Like it's just I know it's gonna be fun.
I'm excited for them to hang out because I'm excited
for them to spend time together. And when your friends
meet great people, it just enhances life. Because now they're
(04:56):
all down here, Jessica walked all eighteen holes of golf
with me. I have a feeling that was Sarah and
Lauren here that's going to drastically decrease. Sarah and Lauren
are going to be at the clubhouse drinking mimosas, and
they're gonna be feeling great when we finished golf tomorrow.
I know Elzie's first question, where's the chicouderie? Where's the bar?
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I will see you later. I love you. I will
see you later, And honestly, it's one of the things
and we'll talk again, we'll get into all this. But
one of the things I adore about Lauren, and I
know this too about Sarah and Jess. She knows it's
my thing and she loves that. I love this. That's it,
no matter what it is. It's one of the attributes
I love most about l Z is that she she
(05:39):
texts me every day. I hope you're having a great day.
I hope you're having fun with this. And I know
that Sarah and Jess supports you guys being here and
doing stuff like this because it's our thing. We're not
doing We're not professional by any means. But I love
that and I love that they're both excited. They're all
excited that we're here. It's also important for healthy relationships
for each partner to have a hobby and like a
(05:59):
thing that they go do. And Sarah realizes, like golf
is my hobby, and she goes and does her thing,
and we both can support one another in those things
and then come together afterwards and be like, oh, how
is your day? Was horse riding horses fund today? Or
was dancing fund today? Was golf fund today? And I
think that's cornerstone like a really healthy relationship. It is tough.
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Your thing doesn't necessarily need to be my thing and
vice versa. Do you and jess have that too? Um,
Jessica's you know, she's a former college athlete, so a
lot of her thing. She loves going on long walks
by herself with her headphones and listening to a book
she loves to read. Um, she works out, and I
(06:44):
in my marriage, it's only been a year, but she
fully supports me going to golf. No, I don't want
to take advantage of that and go every day of
the week and you know, say hey, I'll see in
you know never, but a hundred percent we have her
own thing. We come together uh, and that was kind
of uh. A pillar when we got married is that
we're gonna always keep our own things so that we
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have something to talk about the end of the day.
Also like we have something interesting to share with each other.
If not, it gets you know, boring, It's funny. I
was distracted because something just went off on your phone
and I see this beautiful picture of Jessica on your
and but you mentioned her being a track star. So Jessica,
for those of you who don't know, was an absolute
stod at Old Miss, a track star. Um Wells also
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went to Old Miss. Totally different kind of rock star,
totally different experience at Old Miss. Yeah, I was running
a lot, but it was from the law. So I
apologize to all the listeners because I I we totally
got sidetracked and I have buried the lead. So when
we come back, we will jump into the tea that
has spilled in Orlando. Goodness, the drama that has enveloped
(07:55):
this event when we returned. Welcome back to the most
dramatic podcast ever. Chris Harrison here in Orlando with two
very good friends, Ben Higgins and Wells Adams. So we
(08:20):
arrived last Tuesday for this event. Before I get on
the plane, I get a text message from Ben Higgins
in the locker room, and it's our our lockers. They're
nice enough to give you lockers at this event. It
says Chris Harrison on the locker. It says Ben Higgins
on the locker sea alphabetic order. Next to Ben Higgins
(08:44):
is Chris Lane, country music star. Do I do? I
need to explain who Chris Lane is and this whole thing,
so can I? What's the thumbnail sketch of this? I
think you probably have listeners outside of back stor Nation.
I think it's important to explain the the whole situation. Okay,
I will try to explain this very quick. This is
the thirty thousand foot flyover. Ben Higgins was the bachelor.
(09:08):
At one point he was engaged to a very nice
woman named Lauren. They broke up amicably, and Lauren has
since gotten married and had children with country music star
Chris Lane. And we are all together here at the
(09:30):
Gulf Tournament in Orlando, and his locker is right next
to Ben Higgins. I mean, and when you say right
next to it's it's right next to me mine. Before
this tournament, I haven't seen Laurence since we broke up,
I don't. I don't think I've seen her once. And uh,
obviously life now has moved far beyond that relationship, but
(09:51):
that relationship still is an important season or you know,
time in my life. And so I would be lying
if I if I wasn't a little anxious about the
idea of, you know, being at this tournament with Lauren
and Chris and then also Lauren's family, who I imagined
was going to be coming down, and no matter what,
(10:12):
we're all adults, So I wasn't worried about the outcome
or how we'd handle it. I was mostly just saying, hey,
this is a fun week of golf. This is gonna
feel odd, you know that first running like what's that
gonna be? Like? You just I don't know if anybody
out there, and maybe I'm wrong, is like super jacked
to see somebody who they've split ways within their life,
(10:34):
you know, amicably, but they split ways with them. So
I was I was anxious about it, um and then
to walk into the locker room and see that, oh,
we're gonna be definitely running into each other, Like there's
there's some people that Serma, I haven't seen yet at all.
I haven't seen him ever. But no, we're gonna be.
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We're gonna be putting our shoes on, changing together, changing,
showering together, sna ing together. Um. So I have so
many things, and there's another great story coming up about dinner.
But just to give you the details, Lauren is not here.
She didn't come. Um, she's I believe, home with the kids.
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Lauren's dad is here. I talked to him. I talked
to Chris and and his brother. His twin brother is here,
Caddy and for him, and Lauren's dad is here. He
came up and said hi to me as well. But
as far as when we would run into them, it
happened the first night. Wells and Ben and I are
at the bar here at this beautiful hotel, and sitting
(11:42):
two ft away at the bar is Chris Lane, his
bandmates and his brother and you're right there. Did you
guys have a moment? Did you say hello? Hug it out? Well?
I mean, I'm sure for him, he obviously no. You
know knows our history as well. So right away I
(12:03):
saw him. He didn't see me, so this that he
was kind of had his his head turn and I
walked up and I said, Hey, Chris, good to see you.
I just I had told Jessica like I wanted to
say hi. I mean, one, he has a there's a
lot of things that congratulate him. On to two children,
Congratulations to Chris and Lauren. God bless him. Um. And
(12:23):
you know he's down here at the Gloss for the
first time. This is my fourth year, so I'm kind
of a vet at this and so I just I well,
I told her, I was like, if I see him,
I'm just gonna go say hi because I would like
to say hi anyways. Um, and so I did. I
just walked up and I said, hey, Chris, and I
will tell you, Um, it has been nothing but great. Uh,
it's been nice to to talk to him. It wasn't
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It's not been the only time I've talked to him.
It's there's been four or five now run ins and
encounters and we talked golf and and then Lauren's dad
and I were able to catch up. Um. He actually
said hi to me. I didn't. I walked past him
and he said Ben, which felt really good. Um. I
wish it was you bed Son come home. Definitely not Yeah,
(13:11):
not no, I think he's very happy with where his
life shook out. But um, yeah, it's there's just a
lot to break down. It's hard to explain that moment
and how to handle it well. And but I will
tell you, Chris was it was really nice and it's
(13:32):
been fun to be around them at this tournament and
I'm glad we did it like it. You know, when
you go through a breakup, there's always that moment where
like the band aid gets ripped off afterwards and then
you can start to heal. I kind of and I
don't even know, but they kind of felt like that
a little bit too, where it's just like, Okay, if
Lauren comes down tomorrow, I don't know if she is
or not, and I run into her, it will be
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good to see her, Like, it will be nice to
just like say, okay, we've done this next chapter of
our lives. You disagree, no way. Man, If my girlfriend
was my ex girlfriend was here, I'd be like, I
do not want to see them at all. You're just
too nice of a guy. Well, I don't know if
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like you would have said, hey, what's your preference, Like
if if like is your preference that you're gonna be
hanging out and having dinner all of you at the
same table like one. This is because like this is
a special event for you. I know you look forward
to it all year and and for this to have happened,
I know this isn't the dream scenario. But as well
as just stated very accurately, you are a great guy.
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Because what I noticed at the bar the dynamic. And
I was actually talking to Chris because I was at
the bar ordering drinks for everybody, um, and Chris was there,
so we sat there talking and you know that he
had been on the show before and catching up on
the kids and how tired he's been because they have
a newborn and so um. But to watch you, you
(14:57):
could have easily ignored the situation, acted like the elephant
was not in the room because he didn't quite make
eye contact, so it took you to walk over to
do that. Not that he was ignoring you, but I'm
just saying I don't think you guys could have easily
just ignored each other and acted like this thing didn't exist.
And instead you burst the bubble and just said, hey man,
(15:17):
you see you. Yeah. Well, And it also could have
gone when I said that, he could have been a
jerk to me, and he wasn't, so, you know, so
it moves it to a healthy place. He could I
could have walked up and be like, dude, don't talk
to me, and then it would have been like, well, crap,
now though we have four days of weirdness. He didn't
at all. It was a you know, it was a
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healthy and like interaction. Um no, I will admit that
if you wrote down, hey, what's your dreams new? Like,
this is a big event for me. You know, my
family's down here, my wife is down here, my friends
are here, Like I've dreamed of playing golf with Chris
and Welles in one of these tournaments for six years,
Like it has been something that I've wanted to do,
and I always wanted to do it here because this
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tournament is so fun to me. It's it's just a
really good tournament and it's and it's a healthy atmosphere.
And so to have that happen at this thing that
I hold so sacred and special would not be ideal.
Be honest. Are you are you happy that Wells and
I were here to witness this with you? Or is
this your biggest nightmare? Both both. I'm glad that we
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can do this because now we can talk about a podcast.
And I'm I'm so thankful that we can give you content.
I've been I've been saying all week, thank you, Ben,
You've been You're writing my podcast. Day after day, You've
been adding and I thought, I thought this was going
to crescendo um on Friday because the tournament directors reality, Yeah,
(16:45):
the tournament directors are not Bachelor fans, clearly because the
TV producer, the sick twisted mind of me um So,
Chris Lane and Ben Higgins were very close in the
point totals, and I thought, well, you're gonna put them together.
You're gonna make them play together against each other. That's
just a no brainer. And they didn't do it. Instead,
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the good thing is Wells and band got to play together.
I was very jealous, you guys got to play together.
But I was so bommed. I thought, Oh, this is magic.
I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have five episodes to
cover on this whole day of you guys. But it
didn't happen. But something did happen, and there is a
story that will make you cringe, make you cry, and
(17:34):
make you laugh. And that's next, Welcome back to the
most dramatic podcast ever, Ben Higgins Wells Adams. Here in
my hotel room. We're here in Orlando for an amazing event,
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the LPGA Tour. Thank you to the LPGA Tour, by
the way. So this has been a real family affair.
We've been eating meals together. So we're at dinner the
other night. We're just at a little pizza place having
a beer, and there's a guy that I don't really
know him that well. His name is Trip. He's a
caddy and somehow we mentioned the name Chris Lane. Wells Adams,
(18:20):
please take the story from here. So we're all out
to dinner and we explain to Trip that, uh, this
Chris Lane's there, and so he decides to He's like,
I don't know who that is. So he looks him
up and he finds a picture and he goes, well, look,
his wife's pretty freaking hot. Look at her and and
(18:43):
points the phone at I'm sitting next to Ben at
me and then and I had this look of utter terror.
I was like, I don't know if you're messing with
us or not. He's like, what, you know who that is? Right?
And he goes, no, she's just it's a hot chick
hat spends X and they got engaged to on television,
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and Wills didn't even do it full justice of how
uncomfortable this moment was when this guy and it was
as if we were shooting this for television. Wells and
Ben and I are lined up so the three of
us can see this guy when he turns the phone
around and he says, God, Chris Lane's wife is she's
a smoke show. And I'm like, I looked at Wells,
(19:28):
I go, He's he's joking right in this case, No, man,
she's really hot. And I thought this guy is either
the smartest, most genius comedian I've ever met, or he's
the dumbest human being. Turns out it's the latter, unfortunately.
So he was going on and on about how hot
Lauren was to Ben and Wells and I and I
(19:50):
finally just said, buddy, you gotta stop talking. You gotta
shut up, because he kept making it where he was
trying to make it better, because you know, when you're
really uncomfortable and you're like, no, I mean she's just
Smulls don't know, I really want to be with her.
It's like I want to take a bathroom, like please
stop talking, just stop talking, and it got worse and
worse and worse. Ben Higgins, Yeah again. Um, I'm really
(20:15):
I'm really thankful that this weekend that I love so
much has has been so good and it has I mean,
these are good moments that make me laugh. I mean
they're funny now because to to fix the situation, I mean,
it was awkward for a long time and I almost
I just didn't say anything for walks. I was like,
this is so weird, and like, I don't know how
to respond, you know, how do I respond to him?
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Be like she's really hot? Like cool man, like yes,
just stop talking, Like there's no good thing I can
say here, Like there's no way out of this. And
so finally when he finds out that that she is
my ex, to heal it, he finds a picture of
my wife and he goes, she's really hot too, and
I'm like, dude, stop, I forgot about my god talking.
(21:01):
That's what I forgotten. When he goes, oh my god, yeah,
I know, thank you, but making it worse, I'd have
sex with your wife too. It's exactly how it felt.
It's exactly how it felt. To me, it was awesome
and in all seriousness, and I'm sure your listeners can relate.
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These are very weird life moments. They are life moments
that don't always happen, but to some they happen. You
have an ex wife, you have an ex husband, you
have an ex friend, whatever, and you see them again,
and how are you going to handle it or how
are they going to handle it? What is going to
be said and not said? And it could not have
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gone it has not it could have not gone better
in real life than what I could have imagined. Like,
it's been a really good thing. There's just been these
funny little moments in between, like, hey, what I love
to have? I've like when before I even saw Chris
and ran into him. What I want his locker right
next to mine? No, uh, what I want? The guy
(22:10):
across the table holding up a picture of my ax
in front of my family and me and everybody else
and be like, no, she's really hot. No I don't
want that. And I wanted all of it, but it happened.
It happened. But and you're right, I would say, if
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you can get over yourself, swallow your pride, these moments
can be cathartic, and you realize none of this is
that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
Everybody's good. You can actually be grateful for it and
be happy, and nobody really cares that much at this point.
And look when you're in the weeds of it and
it's happening to you right now. Um, you know, I
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mentioned Dianna and Steven Stagliano unfortunately going through what they're
going through, and like right now, they're in the tempest
there in the middle of the storm. They're out at
that moment, but they will be and it's my hope
for them and and my my prayers for them is
that that it will get to that point when you
can see them again. I've gotten like that with my
ex um Lauren, and I spend time with her and
(23:14):
her husband. It's about our kids. It's about making everything
okay for them. So when you can get to that
point and laugh about it, it's a good thing. It's
a healthy thing. And and look, I think the good
Lord above has shined down upon you some grace and
let you play incredible golf, and that makes it okay.
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I still want to win. I still like there's a
few people in this field that I would really like
to beat. Two of them are sitting in this room
with Yes, we're not competitive at all. Chris Lane is
another one. UM do him? You got him? Yeah, I
don't know. I know, I can't say as much about
beating Wells and I, but you'll definitely, you'll definitely take
(23:55):
Chris home. And it was It's been an amazing week
and that was definitely great laughter for us. I want
to talk to you guys about life. We here's here's
a very interesting thing about it. I was thinking about us,
the three of us. One of the things I love
about the show is the couples that come out of it,
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and you know, some of them are married. And but
then I thought, you know, we are a throuble that
has come out of the show. The only reason the
three of us hang out together and are such good
friends is because of the show. And one of the
gifts of this show is that we we are one
of the successful couples. And I am grateful for that
(24:40):
and it we all bonded over, you know, pretty much
after our time on the show. But I love that
about the show. Yeah, I would. I mean, when somebody
asked me about the show for me now, well, you know,
probably I won't speak for them, but probably a little different.
You still, you know, working on it. It doesn't I
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can't point to a lot of things that it's still
a part of my Like the show is not really
a part of my life anymore, um, obviously except for
my podcast that I heard, except for weekly um. But
like the involvement the show, the thing that I'm most
that that I take away the most is the friendship.
(25:20):
A lot of those friendships have revolved around like shared
interest golf. Um. But it's something that I've I'm I'm
very thankful for because I never wanted to lose that.
That would be really sad for me. If you know,
Chris and I wouldn't hang out again, you know, post
my time on The Bachelor. That's something that's meant a
lot to me, is if like you know, I was
(25:41):
kind of there for six months gone, and you know,
I move on with my life and you move on
and we go our separate ways. Because it is such
an impactful season for It was such an impactful season
for me, you know, for Wells and I, uh, a
lot of what we do is was never associated with
the show. Because we weren't on the same season. We
met outside of that through my heart actually and been
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able to hang out. These are friendships that I really
care about, the people that I that I want in
my life, and that that's super special and it's something
that the show, you know, the romantic side of it
is obviously such a big part of that, but the
friendships and the other storylines I think are really cool
to focus on two to see who hangs out with
each other post show after so many years. One of
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the things I noticed wells about us, and I think
it's probably indicative of the show and how we have
expressed our feelings. We talk, I think more intimately, more
honestly than most guys do, because I think we're just
used to it from the show, Like we go deep
and again it was boys time before the ladies showed up.
Usually when the ladies are here, we get deeper because
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ladies are just better at that. There that that is
their sport is talking, that's that's their activity. We actually
do that. This group right here does it more than
I do with my other buddies, and I think it's
because probably of our on the show. Well, I do think, uh,
you know, the Batchel of the Batch and Batchroom Paradise
are all you know that. I think that the mission
(27:08):
statement is people getting engaged and married. But at the
end of the day, it's a relationship show, whether it's
relationships with like on my season of the Batch Story,
like I was friends with a bunch of the dudes
and hung out with all of them afterwards. Um, And
I think that the the fans of the show like
to see that almost as much as they like to
(27:29):
see the people happily in love and stuff. Um, you'll
go to these these like crazy events where they have
like the guys on stage and and they're all there.
It's all the buddies, and I feel like that's more
important than to the fans. And if it were the
engaged couple, which I think is cool, but for us, yeah,
I think, um, well, you were never on the show
(27:51):
as a contestant, but like the thing that that show
taught me the most was like how to be able
to talk about your feelings to other guys, which is
not a thing you normally do, but on the show
you do these things called man chats what they're called, right,
But I remember something like it. They'd be like why
don't you guys have a man chat over there and
you're like, what man would talk about the bears, I'm
(28:12):
gonna talk about your feelings, and we got I got
so used to it. Then I brought it into my
regular life and we do it now and it's a
very I think, a very healthy, healthy thing for guys
to do that don't normally do, and to to speak
on that too. I remember the moment where I said,
I like Chris Harrison. I do when do we fall
in love? That moment? Yeah, so you're on I'm on
(28:35):
the show, I'm the Bachelor. We're in Jamaica at this
amazing I'm just saying, at this amazing mansion before after
those special brownies I don't know by during um brownies
they were just brown Yeah, they're just brownies. If you
ever go to Jamaica, try to find the brownie the
brownie man on the side of the road. He is magical.
(28:56):
And uh no, I'm at this huge mansion and it's
very empty, and then a bunch of producers move in
with me. I don't still know why. I'm assuming it
was to make me go crazy, and they did a
pretty good job at it. Um and so there was
like an off day, and I had been so produced
for so long. And it's not messing with my head,
(29:18):
it's not getting in my head. It's just you're tired
of being asked questions, You're tired of being asked about contestants.
You're just exhausted from talking about love. And all of
a sudden, out of nowhere, Chris shows up. And I'm
sitting on this couch in my like four minutes of silence,
and I'm like, gosh, dang it, here we go again,
like where's the cameras at? And he just sits down
(29:39):
and it's Sunday and he turns on the football game
and I still remember the game. It was like Bill's Eagles.
And we watched football, and we watched the whole entire game,
which was the most normal thing I had done in
three months. And we talked fantasy because I still had
a fantasy team that they were helping me, uh navigate,
And we talked football, and we talked about who was
going to be in the playoffs, and we talked about
(30:01):
what the future and I all of a sudden I said, wait,
like this has there's no ulterior motives here. He just
came to watch football with me, Like, this is the
most normal I felt in three months and it and
it really was like I like this guy, Like I
actually could could kick it with this guy outside of
this show. Um. It was a very like humanizing, real
(30:22):
moment for me that said, no, I can make it
the next two weeks of this thing, just from that
little breath of fresh air into the real life. I
don't know if you remember that. I do. Yeah, I know,
I absolutely remember that the three our three lives have
changed dramatically over the last year to two years. You
guys are newly weds. I am a newly wed to be. Um,
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how is life changed for you guys as newly weds.
It's in audience first, you know, it's been a year
and two months. For me, it's slowed down a lot.
I think is the biggest change for me. Um, I'm
home more. I don't want to be away as much.
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I used to travel weekly from multiple days. I don't
enjoy that anymore. I always now fighting to get back home. Uh.
It's slowed down in the sense that Jessica and I
enjoy spending time together. She works out of the house.
I work, uh from my home office and when she
comes home. Our evenings together are special. We have dinner,
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we catch up on our day, we go for a walk,
we go to bed, uh and watch a little Netflix like.
It's a very it's a very um slow pace that
is so healthy and that I enjoy like I have
fun with it. When I tell people this, like, it
sounds like you're sixty years old, and I hope, So,
I hope I'm doing the same thing at sixty years old.
I hope I'm enjoying my time with my wife. I'm
(31:54):
hope I'm hoping that we're staying in tune with where
we're at in our lives. I think that's a big change.
I think. Um. The other change for me is a
new sense of responsibility um as just being a husband,
Like I have to be aware of where my wife,
you know, emotions are at, where she's at physically, what
you know, where she's feeling about her career path and
(32:16):
her dreams. Uh. And that's a new responsibility that I
hold onto that I didn't ask myself to hold onto.
I didn't expect it, but it's it's implemented in my
life now and so that's a huge part of my
thought processes. How's jess at like doing? Like how where
she at? Um? And it's what I enjoy? Uh but
those are being big changes that I didn't expect. Wells,
(32:37):
what about you? The thing was that we were engaged
longer than we dated because of COVID because we had
to wait for our wedding venue to allowed us to
have a bunch of people come and celebrate our wedding.
So I kind of lumped those years together, like I
think that like me being married is very similar to
(32:58):
like when we were engaged and was like we're going
to be married or whatever. So these past you know,
three and a half years have been really wonderful and
I think it's it's so like not the sexy answer,
I think, and it's not something that people no one
ever told me. But the most wonderful thing about getting
(33:19):
married is uh I mean a satta from like the
cool sex that you get to have all the time.
Cool sex, Yeah you get Can I just tell you
you ruined it right there? Cool sex? Chris. I don't
know if anyone told you get you get to do
the sex? Uh No. But all joking aside, because once
(33:40):
you get married, you don't have sex. Uh um. You
get a teammate, like and having someone on your team
is like so invaluable And it's not a sexy answer
and it's not like the thing that anyone tells you,
but it's so true when you have someone who's like
always rooting for you, whether it's real wise or emotionally.
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That's one thing, but also like someone that's always helping
you out when you go to parties and like someone
gets like too drunk and the other one's like, hey,
we're gonna go now together, or like oh shoot, I
know that guy, but a note, remember his name. Don't worry.
I'll go up to him and I'll behave I'm Sarah.
What's your name? Got you? Like that kind of stuff
is so nice and it's like very comforting to have,
(34:24):
like you're just kind of like forging through life. Someone's
always in your corner. Yeah, it's really really nice. And
like for Sarah, she is outrageously successful and like so
good at her job and it's been really really wonderful
to sit back and watch someone like just knock Grand
(34:44):
Slams out of the park every year and so and
I think for her it's like it's really nice to
have me. They're like cheering her on and stuff, you know,
so it means so much more success and failure. Yeah,
it all is so much better with someone on your side. Um,
that's so true too, Like, and because Sarah goes up
for roles that like are huge things that you guys
(35:06):
are all watching on TV. IREC run lines with her
sometimes and she doesn't get them, which is insane to me.
And it's tough. That's tough on her. And I'm such
a like, uh even keeled, pragmatic person where I I
can like calm her down and be like, it's okay,
it's not you know, the next thing is going to
be huge, like, and she leans on me for those things,
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and that stuff is that I think really important. It's
it's absolutely huge. And the sex in the cool sex,
the sex but also the cool sex. Um. When I
think back on all of us, but especially you two
from the show, when I got to know you as
just these young men that were doing this crazy thing
(35:49):
to where you are now, it's stunning to think how
much life has changed on every level. Yeah has, but
that's I mean, you know, I would credit that season
of life for where I'm at now. Um, And like,
well I said I think I'm I'm a better husband.
(36:10):
Don't if I'm a good husband, I'm a better husband
because I do know how to speak about my emotions.
I do know how to be intentional. And and also
that season was was interesting. And I don't know if
this is what you're referencing, but when you get off
the show, you're known as a single, available human, like
(36:31):
you are in the dating pool, and everybody knows that
you're interested in finding a partner. And if you do
the show, well, then you hold yourself to a standard
and you present yourself as somebody that could be a
decent partner. And then you the longer you're off the
show and the longer in the dating pool, the more
(36:52):
you get known for being the single guy. And now
in my life is not that and it will never
be that again. But that be came my identity personally
for so long, was like, yeah, I'm I'm I'm available
and willing to date, and you know, and now that's
not a part of my life. And it's beautiful. It's
a beautiful cut off. It's a beautiful divorce, and but
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it's a whole different path. You know, I'll never you know,
God willing be single again. Now you're just the boring
guy that takes naps. Now I'm the boring guy that
takes nas because I played eighteen holes of golf and
I'm exhausted. We will wrap this up because no joke.
We're about to go to a huge family dinner all
of us. UM. But before we do, I need advice
(37:36):
from you guys. Yeah, I gotta turn the tables. The
last time I got married, it was the nineties. I
saw a wedding on love boat. But I think it's
changed since then. Um, and you guys are newly weds.
I am going to be I'm gonna be going through
all this. What the big look I know are why
(38:01):
your wives are going to hear this. We have to
be very careful. Do not get divorced over this answer.
But tell me what you would keep? What do you
think I should definitely do Lauren and I should do
at our wedding? What should we not do? What? What
one thing or anything would you not do? Again? Okay,
my wedding is more recent, so it's fresher in my mind,
(38:22):
so I'll go first. Okay, what you should definitely do? Um?
And you might have done this? Um? First one I
don't know, Bene if you did this, but someone gave
me this advice and it was it was great. They said, Okay,
after the ceremony, everyone's at the reception, steal away for
a little bit, try to find some like higher ground
(38:44):
and go upstairs, just you two and look down on
all the people there that are celebrating your love and
are there because they love you. It was like a
super powerful moment. And it was so funny because in
seeing all these like weird amalgamations of friends come together
and hang out and laugh and drink and have this
amazing time, and it was like we did this, like
(39:05):
what a weird thing, Like we brought all these people together.
That was really cool. That was one of my favorite
things of my wedding. The thing that I would say
to not do or like to create boundaries for, is
your photographer. I loved our photographers, but they and I
know in their minds, they want to capture everything for
you because it's a whirlwind and you and you know
(39:27):
you don't remember everything and you want to have those keepsakes.
But the truth of the matter is what you really
want is to be able to spend a substantial amount
of time with the people that you love and when
that gets started and taken away from me because they
wanted to get this shot over here and this magic
out and all this stuff. And I remember there was
a moment in the night when they were taking a
(39:48):
lot of pictures and I had to say, Hey, you
know what, let's just do candids. I really want to
spend time with all these people that flew out here
and spent money to be with us and all this
kind of stuff. And U I wish I had done
it earlier and set boundaries. And I can't remember what
your third question was, Well, that was the main thing.
It's it's what's different from the nineties. I know what's
(40:10):
different from the nineties. Um. Yeah, that's, by the way,
great advice. And Ben, is there anything what advice would
you give me as I head into this chapter of
my life again? Well? I think the logistical advice we
were given was to invest the most money in good
(40:32):
drink and good music. And I think it worked like
if you have a good band or a good DJ,
whatever your you know, your budget is, and whatever you're
kind of wanting, just make sure they're good. Um. The
kind of um sentimental advice we got was to take
a deep breath during the ceremony and similar to wells
(40:57):
and look out over the people sit in front of you,
like to make it an awkward like I just want
to try to make eye contact and see this because
it is a very special moment and it means a lot.
And I was told the day of my wedding there's
two times that everybody in your life comes together to
celebrate you, your wedding day in your funeral, and I'm
really glad I could be there on my wedding day. Um,
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we did something different and I don't know if it's
for everybody, but the most fun thing, um I thought
about our wedding, or the thing that Jessica and I
really wanted was we didn't do a sit down dinner,
And so as soon as the ceremony got over, the
bar opened up, the band started, and we rolled right
into the party. So we didn't sit down. There was
grab and go food everywhere. That just was mostly because
(41:37):
Jessica and I didn't want to be up till midnight
and we're like, hey, if we don't have dinner, then
we can have a four and a half hour party
that everybody's dancing in UM, the thing I would take
away will be the thing that I would probably get
divorced over saying, but it just I don't remember our
flower arrangements. I just know they cost a ton of money.
Like I don't remember what flowers we had anywhere. I
(41:59):
see pictures and I'm like, I had no clue. You
should have seen the flowers at Wells. Yeah, I thought
I was in a duck blind. It just to me,
and I know somebody out there is like, your crazy.
These are so important to me, I just don't remember him.
To the floral Society, we mean no harm. We love flowers.
You're talking to three guys here that you know, but
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that that would just be it. But I think they're
very important because I think Jessica really loved our flowers
and really found them special. To me. I would just
say like, yeah, yeah, I could go without. UM fellas,
thanks for being here, thank you, Thanks for thanks for
being in my life. I truly appreciate you guys. I
love you both. UM. I've said this many times over
(42:43):
the last year and a half to two years, how
much I appreciate both of you, UM immensely, and your
support has meant the world to me and l z
Um and I just love you guys and I this
week has been so magical on so many levels. I've
loved it. We've had every meal together, we've hung this
is like fantasy camp for us. It's been really special.
(43:04):
I appreciate it. Well. It's a long time coming because
last year Ben and I played in it and we
were texting with you and we're like, next year we're
all going to do this together. And the fact that
we got to do it, it's really really special and
we got to get like one big golf picture together
so we can hang it up on the wall because
this is a long time coming, and it's it's so cool, man.
(43:26):
And to have to have our stage of life here
where the wives are here, my fiance, to have mom
and dad here, Mom here, brother, It's it's just a
cool cool of that. And it's just been a special week.
It sure has. Well. I love you guys. It's been
a lot of fun, a big week in front of us.
(43:48):
We get to act like we we have along on
a golf course with a bunch of really great professionals.
But this is this is special. Who's buying dinner tonight? You?
It's your turn I can write it off on the podcast.
Thank you for joining us, to my two guests Wells Adams,
Ben Higgins, and to you Dramination. Thank you for the support,
(44:11):
for the love, and always for listening. I'll talk to
you next week because we have a lot more to
talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at
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to you next time.
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