#427 Nikki's Surprising Talent, DON'T Bring Your Family To Work & Deadly Sins

Nikki had a loaded day of therapy that ended in a bawling session. The last time Brian cried was when he watched America's Got Talent. Nikki surprises everyone by unveiling a unique talent that ties her closely to airplanes. Do you have "Lovers and Liars" on CW marked on your calendar for April 11th? Nikki goes through a Reddit post from a 72-year-old who offers life hacks. Over the weekend, Nikki learned a life lesson about performing in front of family and friends. They discuss the deadly sins, and in the Final Thought, they explore how kids can be mean and why ideas need to be nurtured.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Nicky Gliser podcastser here's Nikki. Oh. I didn't hear
the sound on my end, but here I am. Hi,
I'm Nikki. It's the show. Welcome to it. Oh, I
know why mode? Oh there it is kicking in. Hey

(00:23):
guys from Nicky Glaiser. Welcome to the show, Snick Gleiser Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
What are you about? You had a smirk.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I know, I just got a d M from Chris.
That's like a private thing. But it was just like
this was us and it was I just I just
saw the what the video is? I already know what
the what the video is. It's a clip from It's
a very intense clip from Seventh Heaven. And we had
a therapy session today or yesterday, a couple's therapy session

(00:50):
where things got tense and he just sent this. We
haven't really talked about it. Like you get off these
couples if you don't live together, which we do, but
he's in LA right now. You get done with a
couple of syapy, you just like say bye and you
log off, and then you like, wait, what do you do?
Like usually you walk out together and you like hug
in the parking lot and you go That was really good?
Are you talking the elevator? And like then you go

(01:12):
home and you kind of like but when you're in
separate places, you're just gonna like do I can we
just leave that there? I don't really want to talk
about what came up in there and then and so
we didn't. And he's busy working on editing the Mark
Twain Prize, and so we didn't really talk about all
the stuff that came up in there, and but he
just sent me this thing that made me like feel like, okay, good,

(01:35):
It's not as dire as I thought it was, you know,
like the whatever came up, Like, I don't know if
it never is, like it could be down the line. Yeah,
these sayings where people go like what like, uh, you
know it's right when it's hard, It's like, well that's

(01:56):
a lot of times, or like stuff like that. It's like,
well no, because sometimes you hurt yourself because you go
too hard. It's like I don't. Yeah, there's it is
not always true, and that's.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
What really rhymes not true necessarily.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah. I had double therapy yesterday. I had couples and
then went right from couples, logged off and went right
into my single therapy, and at the end of it,
I was so drained, and I know people are like, yeah, done, Nikki,
that's draining, not from me. And then I had done
the podcast the hour before, so it was an our podcast,
our couples hour. It was a lot of talking myself,

(02:34):
and the podcast yesterday felt it was for me and
my ecosystem of my body very tense because I was
reliving that red carpet moment that was like fraught for me,
and and so it was just like I got done
with that last one and I didn't cry through it.
I cried a little bit on the couples one, but
then I really I bawled, which I'm By the way,

(02:57):
I'm a little annoyed at the word balling because they
will throw balling Like I watch Netflix with the subtitles
on all the time, the captions, Oh my arm is
really white, and my my arm is really tanned. I
can't lift up my arm, and they will say they
will go to balling very often when it is just
someone going like like, Okay, what do you think balling is?

(03:20):
Because when I think of someone balling, I think of
it like I can't this, Like that's balling.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, falling out of your nose. You can't even control it. Yes,
that's ball.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Once in their lives, women ball probably three times a month.
Ball is something that happens.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
During every episode of America's Got Talent? What really? Yeah? No,
it just gets to me that the only.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Thing that makes me just hold on, wait at we
have to explore this? Why with it sounds like I'm
being judgmental. I hear my own tone, and I'm not
not being judgmental. I'm actually curious what is it? Because
I like to explore what gets us, what makes us cry? Like,
what have you explored? Why is it that that touches
you so much? What is it saying to your inner child?

Speaker 2 (04:09):
My inner child?

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Probably what's going on?

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Someone being recognized after doing a lot of hard work?
I think so.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
But some of these people are just naturally talented and
they didn't work at all all. They're just born with
good voices. Or is it really the hard work that's.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
The hard that's what the package is for. They show
you the package of this person who called their way
out of a volcano in order to dance, and they
finally get to.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Date America's Got Talent. I'm thinking of just singing. No,
America's got talent is actually a lot of people that
worked very hard learning how to juggle women on their feet.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
That's right, and some of them do juggle women. Yeah,
there was a fire. There was like an I forgot
what country it was. Now I feel like semi racist,
but I think it was Iranian, an Iranian dance team.
That was they They I think they won or came
in second place last year, and their story was so
incredibly touching and they overcame have so much adversity and
then they were amazing dancers, and I was that made

(05:05):
me cry. Every single time there's a video, there's like
a show me a sizzle reel of someone's adversity and
then show them go on stage and do something amazing,
and then have Simon Cowell, that curmudgeonly bastard go that
was the best thing I've ever seen, and then they cry.
That's There's nothing that gets to me quicker and faster

(05:25):
than much the voice.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Do you watch American Idol? Like is this just why
America's got talent? Are you just a Nick Cannon guy,
a Howie Mandela why America's got talent? Because for me,
I don't like to see swords, and I don't like
to see little kids being comedians. I don't like to
see There's so many things I don't like Nick Cannon
off stage commenting about what's happening. I don't like that,
Like live interactive commentary, I don't like them. And I

(05:50):
don't like like shadow puppetry, where I'm like, okay, what
are we We're gonna give this person a Vegas contract,
which I actually that would probably work very well in Vegas.
But there's just a lot of stuff that seems set
up to be ridiculous. And I know that the gag
reel is part of these shows why America's gone talent
and not a singing competition.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Well it's not Nick Cannon anymore. It's not Terry Crews.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
And oh it.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Makes a huge difference that when it's Terry Crews, because
Terry Crews, whether he's doing it true, Yes, he really
wants these people to succeed.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
He likes Adam in studio one time and it was incredible. Yeah,
the sweetest.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
He really wants. He takes people under his wing. He
like mentors certain youths if they're if he sees something
in them and he feels like he could uplift them,
and he's really on the sideline, you know. Sometimes they're
doing their act and everyone's like, oh no, like like
if it's uh Susan Boyle, like oh no, is this
ugly person gonna be able to sing? And then everyone's like,
oh my god, is it gonna happen? And then Terry

(06:49):
crew is on the sideline. And then when it happens, Terry,
they showed that side view and Terry Crews looks at
the camera and.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Goes, yes, yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
I could tell actually wants them to succeed, whereas Nick
Cannon was like Nick Cannon's reaction in the same situation
would be like, oh shit, they're bringing it, you know,
be something.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Like that, yes, which is Cruise seems like a father
on this, like so proud.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yes, it's a wonderful show. I don't love right now.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
No, is the season happening now?

Speaker 2 (07:22):
They did agt All Stars, which I don't love, so
I just didn't watch them. Usually why don't you love
because I want to see the sizzle reels. I want
to see them over Codversity.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yes, and now.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Stars already know their story, we already.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
I wanted so badly to pitch Dancing with the Stars Losers.
Everyone who's been first quoted off comes back. It's been
on for thirty plus seasons. You can make a season
out of ten losers me included that can come back,
and actually, like, you know, work hard, it will all

(07:56):
it will all be about hard work, even though that
show is already about hard working enough. The people are good. Yeah,
I agree with you. I'm trying to think of what makes.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Thinks that might be wrong. Actually, I think it might
be on right now. America's Got Talent Fantasy is on
right now. I guess. Okay, so it is on. I
gotta watch it.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Okay, yeah you should. You should tune into that. Do
you like Heidi's commentary? I'll watch it if you're watching it.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Heidi's great. Heidi. I like Heidi. She's I like her
because she kind of brings a cool factor. When she
really likes something, I'm like, Okay, that's cool. Then she
says something like that was incredible, And I like hearing that.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
What about comedians on America's Got Talent? Because we had
a friend who was gonna got asked audition and and
I've had many friends on that show. Gary Veder did
really well on that show. Taylor Williamson did really well
on that show. I think, uh, Joe Mackey did great
on that show. Doogie Horner sure, or Tom Cotter who

(08:59):
had a great one of my favorite jokes talk about
I can't remember bits. I'll never forget Tom Cotter. He
was on Last Comic Standing. I think the season one
he made a joke about my wife can count all
the people she's slept with before on one hand with
a calculator.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Especially America's got talent comedians, is that they're looking for
a very specific type of comedian and with a puppet. Yeah, yeah,
you need a puppet.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Don't you need a puppet? Tears win this show or one?

Speaker 2 (09:33):
A disproportionate amount of the ventril quists do very well
on the show. Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
I don't care for it.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
But you have to go out there and you have
to be you have to do short jokes. You have
three minutes, and they have to be like family friendly based.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
All those comics I mentioned are one liner guys.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah. Gary Vetter is the exception, because I know that
Gary Vetters definitely not like a like the main.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Family guy. No, but he is at his heart he's
such a sweetheart, and I think that came through. And
he's a great joke writer. So yeah, it was interesting.
But yeah, Taylor Williamson is also like a kind of
a one liner type guy. Yeah, I just uh, I
guess I just don't care. What did you like? Watch
it when Howard Stern was a course or a judge,

(10:26):
the best judge.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I mean it's Simon cow You can't beat a curmudgeon
that softens, Yeah, especially one with all that power.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
There is something like, man, do you want to win
him over?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Man? When I want.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Simon Cowell to like me and to see something in
me even though I don't really care for him.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, what is that now? Howard Stern amazing though, I
mean he was great.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I don't know if it's my daddy issues, because my
dad's never not loved me. But there's something about an
asshole who or just someone who's just uh yeah, who
doesn't seem to like things. It's highly discerning. Even if
there was some quote I've read the other day that
was like, oh, I know what it was. Can we
go through these? I want to just talk about these.

(11:09):
I put it on my Instagram story yesterday, But it's Uh,
it was from Reddit, and it's was on the subreddit
life hacks, and they post it on Instagram. But it's
like I turned seventy two today. Here's thirty two things
I've learned that I hope you hope help you in
your journey you want to go through some you're really helpful.
Number one, it's usually better to be nice than right.

(11:32):
And that's true. Yeah, kind I mean nice not nice.
Kind is like the most support. Nice is fake to me.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Nice sometimes implicates so you're kind of like a pushover
where people walk all over you.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
That's my interpretation.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
I really like I'd rather have a mean pilot than
a wrong pilot.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
It's a good point.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Or a surgeon. I don't know. I don't know if
it's all said.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Good landing to a pilot the other day because it
was really bumpy on the way in and I had
a dream that our plane crashed and it just skidded.
You guys have lots of people to have this. I
remember Andrew Colin when we used to travel together. He also,
when you're on a plane and you sleep, you have
a dream that you're flying in a plane through a
city and you're going weaving through buildings and you can see.

(12:20):
It's like you're at a car. You can see ahead
of you, you can see behind you, and you're kind
of okay with it. You're a little bit scared, and
sometimes you have to land on a highway. It happens
to me a lot, and I know what happens to
other people when they sleep on planes. But I had
that dream, and then the wind gusts were kind of
like making us go like we as we were landing,
and then we landed so smoothly that I, oh, I
have a talent. Do you want I could go to

(12:41):
Mariska got talent? See if you like this talent? Anytime? Well,
i'd have to be on a plane. I can predict
within one second when the wheels will hit the ground
now and it'll be yes, exactly, I will know, like.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
On the show.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
But that's pretty impressive, though. I am so in tune
with it. I've flown so much. I mean, I can't
have a whole Vegas residency opposite Seline Dion predicting when
simulating in a plane and being able to call when
it lands. I don't even tell this that anyone. It's
just in my head. I don't even know. I can't
even celebrate it with someone in the seat next to me.

(13:24):
Chris wouldn't give a shit, but I can always feel it.
I just know based on and I guess. I don't
know if that is quite a talent, but yeah, I would.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Well, that's pretty cool. Next time I'm on a plane
with you.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
What you're know that if planes have a rough landing
where it's like boom, that means they were you can
usually tell a pilot if a pilot was in the
Navy or the Air Force. Fu do you know this?
I swear to God. No, No, The Army or the
Air Force have different landing styles. So usually pilots have

(13:59):
been in the military at some point, and so if
they land harshly, they were in the Air Force, I think,
or it might be the other way around, but it's
generally is like there's a two categories, and a hard
landing is not a bad landing. It's just a style
of landing that they learned. Wow, okay, but that's it's been.
I've brought it up to someone that knows it and
they said, yes, that's true, and I read it read

(14:22):
at one time.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
My guess is that the hard landing is from the
Navy because they have to land on aircraft carriers which
have a lot shorter runway, so they got to slam
down and stop, whereas air Force they have an actual
runway they can glide onto.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
That's just my Okay, let's see, let's see if anything
comes up. Yeah, no, it's it's it's not coming up.
But there that is a difference. Someone can You can
google yourselves if you guys are interested. Okay. Number two,
Nothing worthwhile comes easy? What about love? What about unconditional love? No,

(14:54):
love is not supposed to be easy. What about from
your parent? I mean is that always easy? Though? It
should be? Your parents should love you just your parents
are a human. They're gonna make mistakes, they're going to
be emotional. But also, but you shouldn't have to have
effort in getting your parents love. No one's ever said

(15:15):
to a child you just didn't try hard enough to
get your mom to like you. You know what I mean?
It should come easy. It doesn't mean that.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
It does for the child. Maybe it should, of course.
What about life?

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Nothing worthwhile comes easy? Yeah, life does come easy.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
It's hard for your mom because you've got to push
you out. Sorry Noah, but like for the child. I
guess it is kind of traumatizing for the child to
get squeezed through also, so maybe it's not well the.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Child has to rotate in there and like make you know,
make their way down because they go all the way
from like their head being up where your boobs are.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Oh my god. Really, so they do have a role
in it, but they don't even know what they're doing.
It's just instinct, right, Like they're not like I'm going
to persevere, yeah, but they're not just like hanging out there.
But it's not easy. I'm trying to think of something
that's come easy. Nothing worthwhile. Sorry, friendships for me have
been easy. Friendship.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
You're the one who says that like through adversity or
like difficulty or stepping outside of your comfort zone, that's
where people read can grow. So isn't that like the challenge?
If things come too easy, people don't appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
But I'm not saying nothing worthwhile comes easy. There are
some things that are worthwhile that you come easy. And
I would say some people struggle to make friendships. It
has not been something that has been a struggle for
me in my life, just because I've gotten lucky. There
have been other things I'll say with some stuff, and
pilates comes very easy to some people, and I know

(16:44):
it's all hard work. But I cried today in pilates again.
I like, welld up with tears once again because my
body won't do what I'm supposed to do. And my
teacher showed me a little bit of compassion, which is
the number one thing to get me to cry, as
if someone just goes like I know and then I
just go. The other day that it happened, I was

(17:04):
not bawling, but it was like I could have been balling.
I just didn't want to do it because it's a
small room. But my teacher the other day was like,
I was like, she gets sense that I was getting
so frustrated, and I was like, why can't my body
do this when it's so like most people can. And
I'm not lying like it's it's not me being hyperbolic,

(17:24):
like it really most people can do this thing. And
she was just like, I don't know. She's like I
don't know, and she goes, sometimes I cry because my
body won't do what it's supposed to do. And her
saying that it literally the second she said cry. I
was like no, and I just it started flying out
of my face because it just gave me permission that
that was an okay response to how frustrating this fucking
feeling is. I literally I don't feel safe in bloodies

(17:48):
anymore because I I've cried the past two sessions. I
don't know what's happening to me. Frustrated. I thought I
was crushing it and I'm not. I like, the thing
is I did. This is what I got in high school.
I was never the best. I was always the most
hard working. That's what I am in plates. I will
give it to myself. I'm probably the most hard working

(18:09):
person who's bad at it that there is. But I
am not achieving things. I am so because I've been
going to classes.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
You're gonna get to a point where it just clicks.
It becomes a part of your muscle memory.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
It's inevidence of three to four times a week, and
it is still. I've been going to other classes where
there's girls that I know just do these classes three
times a week. They're not doing like for ten years.
And no, they're young, they're all college students and they
have the strength. I just don't I don't even understand.
It's just so upsetting when you think you're doing players. No,

(18:43):
they're like these tiny girls that look like they're kind
of just like not really trying that hard, Like they're
just like, oh, I just did one class a week
on Saturdays. Like I can tell.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
It's that kind of girl and in their twenties, so
their body is able to.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's not about that, it really and I know there's
I'm not sure. I'm just saying I'm just different. And
then today my teacher was just like people just have
different anatomies. You just weren't born with a body that
can do that. And that's just where I want to
just quit life.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I just feel so frustrated. Nothing with nothing worthwhile comes easy.
So you got to do it, I know.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
But I am gonna keep trying. It's just sad when
you dry really hard and you're not seeing the results
that you want.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Story of my life.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Really with your teeth and your mattress.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Any apply it to anything. It's with playing piano. I'm like,
I can't get good enough with doing stand up. I
can't get good enough with just like trying to really.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, I feel like, yeah, I no, I don't I
don't with what about stand up? I don't agree with you.
I just feel like, yeah, you're as good as you
do it as many times as you do it like that,
if you do it a lot, you're amazing, and if
you're not doing it a lot, you're not. Like that's
just seems to be the way it works for everyone,
and I think for you as well, and piano, are

(19:59):
you reach a roadblock?

Speaker 2 (20:01):
It's just I just wish I was better every time
I play, Like, God, why can't I play this faster?
Why can't I play in tempo? Why can't Why do
I keep messing this up? It's just like it just
I'm sure it's the same way with anyone who's playing
an instrument as an adult. It's just like, why, I
just want to be better at this?

Speaker 1 (20:19):
And that's the reason I quit as a kid was
because I didn't I wouldn't put up with that as
a kid, because I didn't realize, like it's you need
to be bad, Like it's okay to be bad. I'm
more comfortable being bad, But it's just as like, I
think you fuck up as much as a kid, But
as a kid, I couldn't handle being bader than anything,
and so I would quit and now I just keep
going and just I'm like, I guess I just suck
And this is gonna sound weird. All right, we have

(20:40):
to go to break. We'll get to more of these
numbers when.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
We get back.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Okay, three, number three on things that he learned when
he was seventy seventy two.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
This is like, seventy two is kind of young though,
because like, I don't know about your parents, but my parents,
my parents are like seventy two and they don't but
they're not.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
This person is definitely in twelve step program and like
has done a lot of work on themselves based on everything,
the whole list. I wouldn't take this list from my parents,
no offense to them. Yeah, but this person seems based
on what we get into later, you'll see Okay, number
three work on a passion project. Even just thirty minutes
a day, it compounds. Yeah, that's piano for you, right, Brian,

(21:20):
don't you play it like an hour day?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
I play well. Piano is also kind of like meditative,
like I'll play for as long as possible and it
just makes it calms me down.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
But what about when you start to suck and you
feel frustrated. Does that calm you down? Or do you
just play things that you feel comfortable doing?

Speaker 2 (21:39):
No, No, I push myself for sure. I think it
calms me when I'm playing it, even if I suck,
and really I get frustrated, like thinking about it later.
Or when I get really frustrated is when there's a
situation where there's a piano and there's in public or something,
and like I can't because that's your Yeah, are.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Able to play in public?

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:57):
For one song for thirty minutes? Okay? Sorry at.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Forty Yeah, I just need to do three Taylor Swift songs
or one Mozart concerto and sit down and do it.
I can play songs, not like I have like a
It's not like I'm just playing.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
I want to see you play. Do you ever bring
in on the road with you like a little keyboard.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
No, I thought about it. There's a you can buy
a foldable keyboard. Yeah. I was thinking about it for
when we were doing f Boy, because I was like,
it would be nice to have a piano, especially if
there was like yeah for like that long of just
like constantly being there in that place.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
M hmm, we could play I could play guitar with you.
We could have jammed so.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
That I can do I think I can accompany.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Oh that's cool, all right, Well that let's do F
boy again. Let's see how it goes. Lovers and Liars
April eleventh. By the way, people keep going, people keep
writing and be like, congrats on your new show, and
I keep bringing back what show? Like, I don't even
know what they're talking about, right, because first of all,
we taped it so long ago that it doesn't make

(23:03):
sense that it's even like coming out now. I mean,
it wasn't. It was less than a year ago, but
it was September, you know. And so Lovers and Liars,
which is practically F Girl Island, that's what we shot
it as. The name is Jane is F Girl Island.
Three guys looking for love. They were they were f

(23:23):
boys and seasons prior, but now they actually want love
and it's real. And then there are a bunch of
girls and half of them are f girls and half
of them are nice girls. And they guys have to
decide who and the girls are. It's fucking nuts, dude's
and we couldn't predict who was who. We all like
played along it was so fun. It's gonna be good

(23:44):
lovers and liars. That's what it's called. April eleventh on
the CW. Okay, yeah, we're gonna do you work on
a passion project? Noah, Yeah, I guess it's that. But yeah,
I mean now you don't you're pregnant so you can
just take off. Yeah. I kind of hate this one.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
I don't like this kind of expectation because it's like,
I don't know what my passion project is. I'm not
passionate about anything.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
What I've never heard you say anything like that. What
about jiu jitsu be jj?

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yes, I love jiu jitsu. I guess maybe because I
can't do it now. I feel so like pulled out
of the world. Yeah, but besides that, I don't I mean,
like I've gone through my guitar phase. I was obsessed
with it, Brian. I can totally relate to what you're saying.
I've done that, Like I play guitar for like twenty
years and now I just like it's just like right
there in the corner. I don't I got my custom
guitar now I don't care about it.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
So it's like I've been just sitting in you. Yeah,
but I don't care. I don't care about it, so
you just don't. It doesn't inspire you at all. Yeah,
so I don't know what my passion is.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
I'm trying to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I only like playing.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
You could put it in the corner.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, that's true. Just thirty minutes on that thing a day,
that's all you need to do. Yes, Someone that that
day was like, what brings you joy? And I was like,
and they're like, guitar, and I'm like, only if I'm
in the mood for it, that's not something I reached for,
and go, wow, I feel better now, Like I don't
relate to Brian being like it calms you. If I'm
in a good mood already, and I'm feeling a high

(25:11):
level of self esteem and competency in my own self,
then I can play guitar, because guitar makes me feel inadequate.
And so if I'm already strong, I can pick up
a guitar and go like, Okay, it's okay. I'm still
a good person. But if I'm looking to feel good
outside of myself, I would never pick up a guitar.
It's only gonna make me feel worse.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yes, so what do you do, like if you're just
kind of like, you know what? I want to feel
joy right now. I'm gonna go do this because I
really like it.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
I think I've been walking on a treadmill. I am
obsessed with it. I can't every day because I'm gonna
get injured because I can't help. But like, I want
to work up like a sweat and I hate when
people brag about like I love exercising. So I really
am sorry that I'm saying this. This is just a
phase I'm going through where I don't. I just don't

(25:57):
because I don't have anything to do and I cannot
be still and I have so much work on my
plate that I should be doing at any given moment.
When I'm on a treadmill, I feel like I can't
do other things, that I can only listen to music
and disappear into it. That it's like an excuse to
not do anything. Joy.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
I'm not talking about avoiding stuff, but like, does it
actually bring you, like, does it make you happy?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
It does?

Speaker 2 (26:21):
It does being on a plane where there's no Wi
Fi or two.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Anesthesia, Yes, that was awesome, sleeping napping, and I've been
having really bad dreams. I think my body's like, we're
not letting you get away with us anymore, because I've
been having horrifying dreams because that's been my escape recently,
going through a little bit of a down downward, uh
not spiral, but like but just been feeling down recently

(26:49):
and really like I can't figure out what to do
with my time. Like I eat and then I'm like, Okay,
then I'll nap. Okay, Now I'll go on a treadmill.
Now I'll go do a pilates class, and then I'll
feel accomplished after that and I won't feel the need
to do anything else. There's I will have had a
full day. Then I'll do therapy, and then after that
I'll fel accomplished. But when I hang up the zoom

(27:11):
call with a therapist, or when I walk out of
the plate's class and I'm drenched in sweat, there is
just another feeling of what's next? What are you going
to do next? I don't know what to do in
that time. I'm not unless there's a pedophile documentary, I
don't feel like watching anything. I really and I heard
there is going to be an extra quiet on set
episode that they're adding about Drake Bell in addition, So

(27:34):
I'm very excited about that. But I don't I don't
know what to do with my time. I guess coloring
books might be something to turn to books in general.
I want to get involved in another book. This morning,
I woke up and I read a bunch of articles
in magazines that I wanted to read. I just don't
know what to do to fill up my time.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Maybe you need structure. I mean that's how I feel.
Whenever I don't have a job. It's like the store,
I feel a lot happier. Yeah, you need to go
to that store and buy.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Some gone since I started.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Okay, whenever I don't have a job and I have
to like be at an office or at least be
in meetings from like nine am until five pm or
longer with a full project, or like being on f
boy or something like that, it I get depressed. I
get like depressed three months after the job ends because
I like the break. But then after too much of

(28:28):
a break where there's nothing to do, where there's no structure,
it I start to get depressed. And then you have
to find your own structure, which is like really difficult
to do on a consistent basis.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
You need discipline for that. Yeah, yes, And I have discipline,
like if I if it's on my calendar, I'm going
to do it. Like I have a voice lesson day,
I just went to pilates, I have this podcast. Those
are my three hour chunks that have I'm going to
dinner with my parents. But in those other hours that
I'm awake, I'm really I'll probably walk an hour on

(28:57):
a treadmill, just casually, but then I'll I'll probably go
too art and then my knee will start hurting and
I'll go, I have to stop. And then I'm like,
that went out? What do I do? And then I'll
try to do like a meditation, and then I'll get
bored and like I think I'm just running from voices
in my head. I just cannot believe. I just don't
know what I I just need more friends or something.

(29:18):
I need more phone calls. But at the same time,
I talk too much, and I gotta stop talking all
the time, Like I talk for a living, and so
when I'm not working, I need to be more quiet.
So if anyone has some good ideas of stuff to
do that really occupies your time, maybe collaging maybe like
making a uh do.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
You have to be at home? Like would you rather
be out?

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Go out?

Speaker 1 (29:40):
But a dog to walk or something?

Speaker 3 (29:44):
You can volunteer at the bird sanctuary in Saint Louis.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
It's just another thing I'll be expected to do. Though,
And then if I decide, like, here's the thing about
lessons and like pilates and things that you take on
that are extracurriculars. When you when your work does get
busy again and you can't devote as much time to
those things, those people take offense. And I know that

(30:09):
it's not my problem that they do, but there's like
a managing of there because they go, you could be
so good at this if you just devoted the time.
And I'm like, but I am not a professional plates
Like no one's ever said that pilates.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
But yeah, volunteering, I think is a different mindset because
they just appreciate even if you give like a half
hour and that's it. They'll take anything. And then you
could just play with birds and stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
That'd be cool to clean bird cages and feel like
that would actually make me feel like I did say
it's idea.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, Barack Obama is so in demand and busy that
every single minute of his day is pretty much scheduled out,
and he has just like people around him that are
making sure he stays on schedule. And he has just
a binder that he gets handed every week and then
weekend that he has to like, here are the things
you have to look through, and here's when you have

(31:05):
to look through them. And so he even has to
schedule and like and now two hours to be with
my family into the schedule, because every minute of his
life is worth, like, you know, twenty thousand dollars or whatever,
So every little minute is schedule that everybody wants a piece.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yea's a lot, though I don't think you'd want your
life if I'd like that, I'd honestly like that. I'd
like it because I love my calendar when I'm like,
I know, I have this and this, Like today it
got a little messed up because I messed up on times,
and I really don't like that I always leave a
ten minute window to like walk to the next place,
or like send an email in between, or pick up
a coffee and then get there right on time. Everything's

(31:43):
really regiment and I don't like having, like at the
end of this podcast. I have a voiceless in it too,
But we're kind of probably gonna end at like one twenty,
and then that means I have twenty minutes before I
have to get in the car, and I don't that
twenty minutes. I'll probably just eat and I'm not even hungry.
But I don't know what else. So let's think of
something I can do in that twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
You can vocal warm ups. Oh god, you can write
a schedule.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
I could write a schedule.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Write a schedule for the rest of the day. See
how it goes.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Okay, But you can talk to me, Okay, I could
talk to you.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah, we could talk about podcast stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, God, that.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Does not sound good to me. That's just like that
that sounds stressful to me because it's stuff that I got.
I avoid everything. This is the biggest problem in my
relationship is that I don't ever want to talk about
the future. I don't want to schedule things because I
don't I like doing things. I like talking about what
I have to do instantly. What do you say?

Speaker 3 (32:43):
This is the conundrum, Like, it is a schedule, but
you don't love to schedule things.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
No, so you can't schedule things. That's why working on
a show is perfect, because you need someone else to
make the schedule and you don't know what it is.
And then someone says you have to be here in
five minutes, and right that.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Finder to show up on my doorstep.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
You're not even thinking about this schedule. It's just I
just finished my forty five minute speech to the Unhoused
Committee or whatever, and now someone's like, all right, you
got to go to Tacoma. And it's like, what the fuck?
And then you're on a plane Tacoma before you even
know it.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yes, I love that, Yeah, I just what do you
do with these spaces when you guys have like twenty
minutes to kill? If you like had twenty minutes before
you need to go somewhere, like, what would you do? Uh?
Really have nothing to do?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Gamble on a sport? Usually? Also like what basketball game
is happening right now? Can I play a bet on it?

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Oh my gosh if.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
I had, yeah, probably like play with my cat or something,
play with your.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yet sometimes I'll play with Noah's cats sometimes too.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Hey, virtually, Okay, So I guess I have to get
a gambling addiction or a pet yeah, I just that's
that's I guess I could you know what, I could
just tidy around my house.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
My house, you need an addiction can.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Oh yeah, that's something I don't need another one of
those I got. Yeah. Okay, let's continue on this lift
plait list. Okay for become a lifelong learner.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Oh okay, I like that.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
I think that goes well with like what sport coaches teach,
or just like coaches in general teach, like be teachable.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah. Always people teacher always tells a story about some
like amazing cellist or something. He's like the best cellist
in the world or something, and he was ninety something
and he's still practicing every day and they go, why
are you practicing? Like you got it and he's like
and his his response was I think I'm onto something.
And I liked that, Like he was like, it's still

(34:40):
got things, like there's always stuff to learn. And that's
what they say about pilates too, is that you're constantly
like it never gets easy. You're just like always raising
the bar a little bit more. Which isn't that life
that it's it's never You're never and nothing ever stays
the same. You always have to change. There's always going
to be a struggle. There's aways going to be a
ch That is really annoying. Yeah, because you think when

(35:04):
you find a partner and you find love and you
both love each other and you get along so well,
it'll just stay that way. Why wouldn't it, But it does.
It You have to continually work, and then sometimes you
divorce and then sometimes you don't like work. It through
it like, it's just people change, Okay. Number five working

(35:24):
from seven am to seven pm isn't productivity, it's guilt.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Oh she sure works from.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Seven am to seven pm. People do that.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Dad used to Oh, I'm like, god, five am to
like eleven pm.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
If you include the commute too.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I don't think it's guilt. I think it's you're running
from something or you are poor and that's the only
way to survive now in broken society. But I don't
think it's But yeah, I guess sometimes it's guilt.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
It's guilt if you are not if your work is
not your passion. But if I was working from seven
am to seven pm, that certainly isn't guilt, and I'd
feel great about it and I'd be like, I'm just
doing what I love and trying to day and trying
to progress my career, yeah, every single day. But if
you're working at an office for some other company and
it's not what you care about, you know, companies don't

(36:13):
care about you. I said this on the podcast before.
But just as much as HR likes to make you
feel good or whatever and they throw and they give
you a free beer on Friday or whatever, they don't
give a shit about you. And they'll fire you in
an instant if it makes their bottom line better. And
so if you're working from seven am to seven pm
for some company, then yeah, then you're feeling like guilty

(36:34):
or inadequate for some reason.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Or you're just scared you'll lose your job and you
won't find another.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
But you won't.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Oh, you won't lose your job.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
No. That's the thing about these jobs is that you
don't have to work half as hard as you think.
Just look at your coworkers. Look at your coworkers. They're
all idiots. Like, think about your co workers, think about
how dumb they are and how much they fuck up,
and realize that you could be doing that too. You
still have a job. It's so hard to fire somebody.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
These days, and it's well, it's hard to an expensive
and you know, timely to read, to like hire to
fill a positions, So.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, fix what's there.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Then the people are desperate to feel important and to
feel needed. And so if they work hard and they
take on other people's work and they feel and they
don't take vacation days and they don't take sick days,
it gives them a sense of purpose that they might
not have other way otherwise in their lives. And I
think that that's what some people hold on to, is
like this place would fall apart without me.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yeah, it makes these like corporate like assholes take advantage
of people like that.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Unfortunately, that feeling is what they is. How the capitalist
pigs leverage.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
You, okay, to be really successful, become useful.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
I like that, Yeah, you gotta be useful, that's true.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
I like like applying it to comedy. I'm like, okay,
if my comedy is just doing something else that someone
has done, or uh, like it's just copying, Like what
who did I watch?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
It was?

Speaker 1 (38:09):
I was watching some some art documentary or some documentary
or or person online talking about being an artist creativity,
and it's like, if you are just doing what other
people are doing. No one needs that. That's not useful.
We already have it. You have to bring something new.
You have to have a your My comedy, my stylings

(38:29):
have to be something that isn't derivative of anything else.
And like it. I have to be irreplaceable and useful.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
But absolutely so.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, I like that one. So what was it again?
To be really successful? Become useful? So instead of talking
about to become I'm going to be great at this.
I'm gonna be the best at it. I just want
to be.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, replace My whole career is I've just become I've
made myself useful for people.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yes, you were very useful as like a writer, you
are extraordinary, extraordinarily useful and encouraging as a comedic writer,
I would say that good job on number six seven.
Like houses in need of repair, problems usually don't fix themselves.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Oh shit, ah yeah, Dan really threw houses under the bus.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Well that's why I don't want to own a house
because of this exact quote. And thank god there was
a woman this weekend. She is an executive at Netflix
that I met at Mark Twain and I've known her
forever and she's one of the people that decides what
goes on Nextflix, and I've she's been in the business
for a really long time and we were talking about
she owns a place in New York in LA and

(39:45):
I was like, I'm really ashamed that I don't own
anything and I don't want to own anything, and I
don't know what's wrong with me. And she was like,
it's a scam. She was like, the reason everyone wants
a home is because it's part of the American dream
that everyone's been sold and it's not You don't need
to own a home and it is a pain in
the Asnikky, it sucks. It always needs something. And I go, yeah,

(40:07):
but I can get other people to do that for me,
and she goes, but you got to manage those people,
and I'm like, damn straight, I do, bitch. She nailed it.
I was like she understood what I was saying. Like
people are like, but you don't have to you won't
have to do that, you won't have to do this.
You or even even Chris is like, I'll do that.
I'll manage those people. And I'm like, but then I
get less of you. Let's just live an apartment where

(40:29):
you don't have to do any of that stuff, and
we both have free time. Like it's not just about
yeah you you and you have to decide what you want.
You know, I want those I want my kitchen redone.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
But that's really the answer. That's your what what do
you if you have twenty minutes before an appointment? What
it is it that you need to do? Like that
is always one hundred percent of the time filled with
me doing something around the house, unloading the dishwasher, taking
out the garbage, watering the play plants, you know, and
if you have a house, there's unlimited things to do,

(41:03):
so that might actually solve all your problems. If you
own a house and you're just like, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
I got a tons to do in my apartment though
I could clean all the time.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
That's what Well, that's what you should be doing when
you have twenty three minutes.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
To buy an apartment.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Buy an apartment. Yeah, building, that's what your cousin said
to me. What my cousin says, Well, you have like
a cousin of a cousin or something who was that
in Cincinnati. And I had a conversation with him, and
he owns two apartment buildings and he says, people think
that they should save up their money and buy an apartment.
I say, that's wrong. You got to buy an apartment building.
And then streamers fell from the sky. I don't remember

(41:40):
his name, baby, Yeah it was Chucky, but it was
Bobby Chucky. I think something like that.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
I will say that I did have family in Cincinnati
this weekend, and our files so many family Like my
mom has seven union ten brothers and sisters. Nine brothers
and sisters. My mom is the tenth or the seventh,
but she's there's ten total, and Nancy, Jimmy, Michael, Julie,
Tom or Peggy, Chucky, Bobby, Sally, Mom and Dad. I

(42:06):
think I missed one in there, but anyway, they a
lot of them were there. A lot of the cousins
were there. But I do have an uncle who is
in his sixties at least maybe seventies. Maybe wrote this list,
but he's old and he's a man, right, and he
brought like a young guy with him, like I think

(42:27):
it was his like daughter's friends. Anyway, there was a
twenty five ish year old man with my uncle, like
in the group my uncle brought. My uncle brought some
friends and one of this was like a strapping young
lad who was like a cutie, right, like someone that
you'd be like, wow, if you know, if that kid
thinks I'm cool, I've got riz or whatever the fuck.

(42:50):
And this kid, who's like this tall, handsome twenty five
year old probably maybe twenty three to twenty four, like
I don't know, early twenties, says to me backstage in
front of Chucky, who is my uncle in his seventies,
and in front of whatever young girl he was with,
and then another guy and then another girl. We're all
in like a circle. And he was like, you look

(43:10):
so much like Chucky when you walk down on stage tonight.
I just thought, oh my god, they have the same nose.
And I look over at Chucky's nose and it is
a old man's nose, a prominent Oh no offense, Chucky,
if you're watching this, you got a honker and it's
only gotten. It's bigger because you're an older man. And
that's what happens to noses when they get bigger. And

(43:32):
he said, you look identical to Chucky. I'm sorry, in
what were what what woman wants to be compared to
any sixty something year old man ever? In looks. I
don't care what who the man is. This is no,
there's non indictment on Chucky's looks. I don't want to
look like an older man. And this guy said this,

(43:52):
This kid said this and said and it wasn't just
like you. I see his resemblance. It was like you.
The second you walked down on stage, you looked so
much like him. I was telling it. We all talked
about it, and then I looked over at Chucky and
I I saw it. I have and I had liked

(44:14):
could it be just because I had not? I had
not said anything. I hadn't talked yet. He said, as
soon as you walked on stage, I said, that's Chucky. Wow,
thanks thanks, and I just was like, I don't know.
He didn't until maybe five minutes later he interrupted another
conversation I was having with someone and said, by the way,
I just want to say, you're really pretty, and I go,

(44:36):
did your girlfriend tell you to say that? Because she was.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Right as soon as you walked on stage, I was like,
you will make this old couch I have in my apartment.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
That would have been better. No offense, Chucky, Like, honestly,
it's just this is I wish I had a picture
of Uncle Chucky. You just don't. A girl doesn't want
to look like Uncle Chucky. Uncle Chucky, as I was
a guy, I would want and I was a six
year old man. Great, me up, I'll look like Uncle Chucky.
And then let's just add another compliment, backhanded compliment to

(45:08):
the fucking list. At the meet and greet, there was
a friend of my parents who's now divorce, Like, my
parents were friends with this guy and he divorced her,
and no, I know he's dead, So I guess you
know she's a widower. She's with someone else. I don't know. Yeah,
I think you could do that. So she was at

(45:31):
the meet and greet and she came through and she
walks up, and I'm just like, no, instantly, what's happening.
I've known this woman since I was a little girl,
And she was like, what happened to you? You used
to be such a darling, quiet, sweet little girl, and
now you're crazy. You're crazy, You're this crazy woman. And

(45:57):
so now I know my act is giving crazy woman crazy,
which I guess is any woman who has an opinion
emphatic way, Yeah, I'm killing on stage in front of
a crowd of I don't know, seventeen hundred two thousand
people in my hometown and this woman has the audacity

(46:18):
to call me crazy and look very disturbed at like
what happened to you? Like honestly searching my face for answers,
and I go, do you see Chucky? Because maybe that's
what's happening to me, is that I'm starting to look
like Chucky and I'm losing my fucking mind over it
because I'm looking like my skin is falling off my
skull and I'm angry about it, and I'm like, I

(46:38):
am going crazy, just like this was in Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Also, yes, yes, someone.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Calls me backstage because she was just the meet and greet.
She wasn't she didn't go backstage, And.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
So you just you crushed by the way. You had
one of the best sets I've seen you have. And
then after the show people are like, you're you could
look like a crazy uncle.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yeah, it was like there was a lot of nice
things too. I will say that my uncle TV, who
is the funniest person I knew in my childhood. He
was just remarkably funny still is just naturally he tried
to do comedy. I think a couple of times. He
did stand up a couple of times in the eighties nineties,
and it just never took. He could have been great
at it. He's just so funny, and I was so

(47:18):
aware that he was there the whole time. His name
is Bob, but he's my dad's best friend. He's how
my dad and mom got together, well, not really well,
kind of my dad's best friend all through childhood, and
my mom was my uncle TV's sister. But because he
was so I had such a great personality, was so funny.
My dad nicknamed him TV, like you should be on TV.
So now his name is TV, and that was a

(47:39):
childhood nickname. But anyway, I knew TV was in the
audience the whole time, and I was very aware of it.
And I always get nervous when he's there because I
just know that if I were him, i'd be like, man,
I should be up there because I'm funnier than her,
because he kind of is. He didn't think that though.
He was like really proud and he'd like like he
was like I could just tell he was really proud

(48:00):
and like, so he was so sweet and just said
all the right things, and there was I almost didn't
want to see him because I didnt want to see
any look of disappointment on his face of like you're
too dirty or like that wasn't for me. The kind
of shit that people did say, not knowing that they're
hurting your feelings. But it ended up being he was
very nice, so there were really nice compliments coming from
all directions. My mom said it was the best that
she's ever seen me had, and that was a perfect

(48:22):
mixture of dirty and clean, not clean but like not
too dirty. Even though I opened with talking about gangbangs
and I just didn't even plan on doing that. It
was oftentimes I'm in the middle of a bit and
I'm just like, oh, what are you doing? Get me
out of this. That's a normal feeling for comedian to have.
It's like where you venture into a bit and you're like,

(48:44):
I don't even care about this right now. I don't
know why I'm doing this. It's probably like what it
feels like when smash mouth sings like all Star or something.
Even though the guy's dead. Probably what killed him. Okay,
we gotta go to break. We'll do go through more.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Is going to get back?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
All right, We're back, and oh I love this one
because it has to do with envy, which is my
number one problem in my life. Okay, Envy is like
drinking poison expecting the other person to die.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, classic phrase, that's.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
A classic one, I know, but it doesn't never stay
with me. The thing that stays with me about envy
is the only sin of the how many sins are there? Seven?
I'm sure there are, but the seven deadly sins, Envy
is the only one that's no fun. There's no upside.
All the other ones have like some fun involved. There's

(49:38):
always a downside, obviously, I can't even I don't, uh, gluttony,
I'm just thinking of seven.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I don't think adultery fun, Yeah, that's really fun.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Coveting someone's adu Well, coveting is coveting lust?

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, death lust is fun.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah, I mean it's mostly fun, the most fun.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Which sin is the most fun?

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Sah lust? Sloth Oh, that's good? Yeah fun one, okay,
sloth lust? What other do you say that when you're
trying to go yeah, no, no, no, I'm not a guess.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Okay, pride, fun read m loust, envy, and gluttony gluttony yes, okay,
And then the one that everyone always forgets, which I'm
not even one hundred for sure what this means. Wrath, Ah,
what's just anger, that's just anger. It's a sin to
be angry.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yeah, that's all. That's a good thing. I do like
that they say that pride is a sin because everyone
always is. Like That's the thing that I read about
in that book Letting Go that I was obsessed with,
is that they were like, let go of pride. Don't
be proud of things. Don't be proud of yourself. Don't
be proud of people. Don't be that's a bad thing
to be. And it was the first time I'd ever
heard that. But it isn't because pride is a sin,
and I've obviously heard that before. But we don't ever

(51:02):
act like pride is a sin. All we talk about
is that you should be proud of yourselves. Oh my god,
I got done. I was so proud of myself. I'm
proud of this. I'm proud of you. I want to
make my parents proud, I want to make you like.
Everything's about pride. But pride is not good to have
it because it sets you up for failure. Oh yeah,
unless it's Unless it's pride like gay pride. Then that's good.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Be humble. That's what Kendrick says. You know what, here's
a definition for wrath. Wrath can be defined as uncontrolled
feelings of anger, rage, and even hatred. Wrath often reveals
itself in the wish to seek vengeance. So I guess
I can see that that's.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
What it is. It's the vengeance. It's like the vengeful
as controlled.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, like someone just truly unleashing. That's right. But being
just regular angry, that can't be a sin. That's just
an emotion that you feel.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Yeah, yeah, But I think the idea with sinning is
that we all are born doing it and we can't
help and we will do it, and you know, it
just anger. It's wrath.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Like the definition of wrath is the vengeful anger, So
I don't think. But it's not saying that you've taken it.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
It just sends that you want to have you Like,
isn't there a difference between like daydreaming about hurting someone and.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Actually offering reveals itself in the wish to seek vengeance.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
It's not saying you right, it's not saying you do it.
It's just the wish.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
That's why they say like, if you just think about
if just have homo erotic thoughts, that's a sin you
have to right, that's what the Mormons say.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Well, original sin that I learned about at youth camp,
which they like they I went to this young life
camp and I wasn't I was not raised with any religion,
so I didn't know about original sin. But original sin
is so fucked up. It's like they did this thing
at youth camp, at a young Life camp and h
where they the whole week they were like, we are

(52:48):
going to talk to you about sin and about God's
love and Jesus is forgiving you and at the very end,
we're going to reveal something that's going to blow your mind.
And we were like, Okay, what's the secret going to be?
I was not buying in because my parents steeled me
against any kind of messaging that I would get there
because my parents are atheists and so they, you know,
we're really like, do not fall for any of the talks.

(53:10):
I just send you to that no way to go
because all my friends were going, and it's just like
it's a social thing and you sing songs and you
make crafts and it's in we you know it's in
a camp place in Wisconsin. It's just like with a
bunch of high school students that you like flirty boy
times and like girl hangs. It's great, but then the

(53:31):
God you had to do the God talks. But at
the very end they were like, here's here's the thing.
We talked about sin, and we talked about how Jesus
will forgive you. You're born with sin. So even if
you think you've never sinned before, you you're born sinning.
You have original sin just being born. You'll have these
thoughts you're gonna have. You you're going to Hell no

(53:53):
matter what. But there's a silver lining. You don't have
to go to hell even though you are. You're on
your way there right now. But you don't have to
if you let Jesus into your heart and you ask
him for forgiveness and you take Jesus's hand, he's stepping
he's Jesus is on the water and you're in a
boat and you have to step off the boat. And

(54:13):
are you going to step off the boat? And they
pass the mic around and they make everyone say I'm
going to step off the boat and everyone's crying. Becoming
a Christian and Taylor McGraw and I were drawing in
a notebook making fun of people, and and we know
we didn't get off the boat. But I thought it
was really fucking tricky of them to all week talk
about like these are what sinners are, and you guys aren't.

(54:35):
Oh ways, second you are. You were as a baby,
you were born with sin?

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, I always say, solthy sinner.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Do you know that? You know? Because babies go, that's
why they're baptized. They like that means they'll go to
heaven because they can't talk yet, so they can't repent, right,
so they they if they die before they can talk,
they still will go to he And because they were
baptized or whatever, women that wanted to kill themselves back

(55:08):
in the early ages, I don't know when exactly, they
also had it in their minds that they killed themselves,
they'll go to hell, right, because that's a sin, to
kill yourself. So they didn't want to go to hell,
but they were deeply depressed and wanted to die, right,
So what would they do. They would take a baby
that was newly baptized and throw it in a river.

(55:31):
Throw it in a river, the baby would die. They
would be tried for murder and they would be put
to death. And that's how they would commit suicide. That
is a real thing that would happen quite often. No,
because they would ask for forgiveness. They would repent, and
Jesus forgives all. So yeah, I think that's the rule.

(55:56):
Jesus forgives everything. Jesus loves you. And so they would
murder a baby because the baby was gonna go to heaven.
They knew that, so it wasn't really they didn't really
care that they murdered the baby. Literally, this life is
just a waiting room to the afterlife. So they did
that baby a service in their minds. They tossed a
baby into a river, and then they would be tried
for murder and then they would be put to death

(56:17):
and burned at the sake or whatever the fuck would
it hung and then it wouldn't be their fault that
they died. Isn't that fucked up? And that's why you
should send your kids to young life camp. Okay, final thought,
Let's do a couple more.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Think about all the sins a baby commits. Wrath, baby
is constantly screen They're not vengeful though, Oh you never
met you, Oh.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Actually, toddlers are vengeful. Yes, rat pull your hair, call
you ugly. The other day, Poppy goes, that's you, and
she pointed out a woman that was not me. If
you know what I'm saying. The only thing we had
in common was blonde hair, and I said, why is
that mean? She goes, that looks like you, and I go,
I don't know that I like that. Why do I

(57:00):
look like that? And they go because because you're fat.
The woman was a fat woman, and I said, oh
I am, and I go, that's actually awesome. I want
to be fat. I think being fat is cool and
that's a totally okay thing to be. I was like
trying to obviously like make this not a because I
know that they were just trying to be rude, but
it bothered me that they thought calling me fat was

(57:23):
funny or something. Nineteen Uh no, she's four, so she's
already knows. She already knows that fat people are to
be made fun of, I guess, and skinny people are
better because that's what we've that's it's America. Baby's so frustrating.
But I was just like, good, I want to be
fat and I would love to look like that. Woman,

(57:43):
and I think I sold it. I think she believed it. Okay,
but yeah, they they're they're mean. Kids are mean. Don't
hold onto your great idea until it's too late. Wait
what I don't understand. Don't hold on to your great
idea until it's too late. Tell someone that great idea
and then let them make it. Like, if you have

(58:05):
a great idea, do it. Don't let it find some
other avenue, because.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Sure at all for that one. Well, I just every
time I have an idea, I try to execute it
and it doesn't always succeed. And that's just the way
it goes. I'm not one of these people who.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Say, you do relate to it, you think that's a
good idea.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Okay, Well, actually did happen to me because I had
a great idea and I sat on it and then
fucking Kevin Costner came in and he stole it from me. Yellowstone,
Yeah it was Yellowstone. I had the idea for yellow
No I do. My idea was to create a location
based storytelling app where if you're driving, if you're on

(58:42):
a road trip or something, and you drive past a
location or a point of interest, then it will tell
you a story based on that location while you're in
that location and you can be Yeah, and Kevin Coster
did it like like a year after I started talking
to my lawyer about it, Kevin, thank god. Yeah, Kevin

(59:02):
Coster came out with this the same app.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Does your lawyer represent Kevin Costner?

Speaker 2 (59:07):
My lawyer is Kevin Coster. But that's that I don't
see the connection.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
I did have a good idea for an app one time,
and now I can't remember it.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
I do know that about it, yeah, you know. And
it's the thing is, like, you don't want to be
an app developer, Like, I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Kevin cost a good idea for a fucking app?

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Mine, my joking. One that was a good idea was
one called last Scene in and it was a way
to girls for girls to post their outfits of the day.
But it was a way that if they posted it
and they went missing, we would have a documentation of
what they were last wearing. But it was a way
to also so it was a way to find missing girls.
It was a it was a nod to the fact
that we're all future victims of crimes and possible kidnappings

(59:52):
and uh being you know, put into a slave situation.
But also it was a way to be like, this
is my outfit of the day, and it's called last scene.
You do it before you go for a run, you
do it before you go on a date.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I think that's hilarious. That's gonna it's like, you know,
they try to make be real a thing, and that's like,
I don't know if that's working or not. It seems
like somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Will still have be reels. Yeah, I like those. I
like that some apps are just some people are on
them and others are not. Yeah, I like that. Okay,
I like this one a lot, and I need to
think about it all the time. And this would have
helped me at the Kevin Hart thing when I had
a panic attack, because really that was all about me
being extremely self centered and thinking that I am so

(01:00:32):
important that anyone cares what I have to say. But
it's hard not to feel that way when there are
camera's on you and you're on a red carpet and
there's microphones in your face. I will say that there
is an illusion that people do give a fuck about
what you have to say when that's all happening. Yeah,
but number ten people aren't thinking about you as much
as you think.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Oh yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Taught me that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
It's so upsetting, Really, it gives a shit about anything.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
It's upsetting when you realize how little people care about you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
I guess people care about what we say on this
podcast because.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
The only person that this does not apply to, and
I'm one hundred percent sure of this, is Taylor Swift. Yeah,
people are thinking about her way just as much like
as she thinks. Yeah we are, I am, but yeah, no,
how did I teach you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
I guess I'm just interpreting it in like a much
different way. And it's this, It's what we talked about
yesterday with like the Glazier exit. And I just remember
one time someone invited me to like a wedding, like
a pre a bachelorette party or something like that, and
you were just like and I just couldn't go. It

(01:01:39):
was impossible for me to go, and I felt so terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
And you said, do.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
You think that she's going to be thinking about you
being there on her bachelorette party? You think that's going
to make her break the fund of the party? And yeah,
I guess, like no, that she's not going to think
that until she.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Finds joy and guilting people, then she might yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
And then she's a you shouldn't go anyway, but yeah,
that's a really good point. Like it. It sometimes to
make my mom feel better because she'll be like wearing
an outfit where she's like, I don't know, this is
too much skin showing, and I go, no one cares,
no one's looking at you, nobody nods like no one
and she goes, that is so rude. She always gets
really bad when I say that, and I'm trying to

(01:02:19):
free her, and I don't realize what I'm telling her
is that she doesn't matter, and that's not at all
what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to, like, be like,
people aren't obsessed. People aren't trying to look for negatives
about you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Yeah, and they see you, but they're not gonna like
hone in on what you're pointing at right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Now, unless unless it's directly affecting them, like if you
stink or something and you're sitting on a plane next
to them, or oh yeah, and then they're thinking about
you a lot, or if you're being rude or something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Man, I wasn't even close to doing it. But boy
did I fantasize the other day when I was sitting
on a plane with Matt and Anya, they smelled it too.
It was just the whole section of our plane, just saying, hey,
someone in this area to look into changing up your deodorant,
showering more often, and cleaning your clothes. You smell really,

(01:03:07):
really bad. And it's not a crime. We all smell bad,
but you just need to update your hygiene, you know, schedule.
I just wanted to say that very kindly, like just
into the because we didn't know who it was. It
was so permeating every there was no there was no
way that there's no nucleus of it. It was everywhere.
But who's going to tell that person? Not you? That

(01:03:30):
was kind of too uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
This is why bullying is a good thing sometimes, and
like because you do learn stuff about yourself. An elementary
school in middle school when those kids are being mean,
sometimes they're telling you something you need to eat.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Oh yeah, like your breath is bad, and I'm like,
why didn't anyone else tell me?

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
That goes back to what the list was saying about,
like it not be life not being too easy or
things not being too easy and stuff like that. That's
a difficulty which seems like, oh my god, I never
want my children to be bullied. I never want to
be bullied, but like it kind of gives you a little.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Bit of Yeah. David Beckham. I was watching a clip
of him yesterday with James Gordon and they were talking
about how his dad never said good job ever until
he won his like tenth cup. I don't even know
what that means, literally his tenth cup and his dad goes,
you did it. He had never once heard good game
from his dad. You played well today, ever, And his

(01:04:25):
dad was like his he was there for everything, and
he said because and he was like, he has to
spin it now to be grateful, even though I think
that was so crazy if you watch the Beckham documentary,
his dad was just way too harsh. Did it make
him incredible? Yes, didn't make him able to so when
when the whole nation hated him, when when people were

(01:04:50):
spinning on him in the street, and his teammates hated
him and all these things, he said, it didn't. I
could just put my head down and work because I
already the person who was not giving me what I
needed my whole entire childhood I just had to make
do with not get not caring what people thought, because
if I cared even a little bit, the fact that
my dad he didn't say this, but the fact that

(01:05:12):
his dad didn't give him the love that he needed
was so devastating that he just did. It made him
strong and it absolutely made him who he is. But
would I ever wish that on another kid? No? No,
So it's kind of hard to determine what to do. Okay,
and finally we'll just go to the very end. Okay, wait,

(01:05:35):
let me find a good one. Oh this is oh yeah, right, okay.
Number twenty eight. Never criticize, blame, or complain.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Oh my god, never never.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
I mean, can you think of anyone who doesn't who
doesn't do any of those? Can you even just a
person that doesn't do one of those? I mean, you
would be in criticized, blame or complain. Never criticize. I'm
getting better at.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
I really like I want to strive to be that
kind of person, but I know that I'm imperfect and
I will never complain.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Like, criticizing your own work and things like that is
the key to achieving greatness. So like you do need
to criticize, you say.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Means though you're like disappointed and you're mad, Like you
can be critical, but to criticize and like put yourself
down is not. I don't think helpful blame, blame, or complain.
I am getting better about the criticized thing I was
about to make fun of. I think I've stopped myself
within the past week seven different times from sending dms

(01:06:42):
to either Anya, you guys, or Chris making fun of
something that I am feeling slightly jealous of or slightly
like they tried to do something that I would want
to do but they failed doing it. Let's make fun
of them so that I don't ever have to do that,
because I know that people will make fun of me
in this way. So I've stopped myself from doing that

(01:07:03):
so many times. I really invite other people to try.
When you want to make fun of someone, if you
really want to, you'll want to tomorrow. Just put it
off till tomorrow. Just stop yourself in the moment, and
if you really want to do it the next day,
and then you will have deserved it because you will
sat on it and been like, no, I deserve to
complain about this thing or bitch about this thing. But
just stop yourself in the moment of making fun of
or criticizing things for one hour.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
It's so tough.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
I don't think I can do it, but I really
I think that's an important one to leave on because
that's the one I want to work on the most.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
It's satisfying. It's addictive to sit there and make fun
of things, to criticize things, it feels good.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
My new thing is not criticizing myself, like I just
am not allowed to do it, even though I want
to do it, and secretly I know that I could.
I do it like kind of sneakily, like I think
about it, but I don't like go into it too hard.
I mean I do, but like when I'm weakened, but
most of the time, when I'm like strong enough, I
don't allow myself to do it. But I'm still like
kind of thinking about it, but I just won't. I

(01:08:02):
can't indulgence it as much as I want to. The
Heidi Preeb my new favorite girl on YouTube. I've talked
about her before. She is this thing where she was like,
you just have to have your own back, And so
my new thing is looking at myself in the mirror
and just being like I got you, like no one
else has you. You can't count on anyone else in
your life. And that's not me being like, you can't
count on anyone, you only have yourself. But you truly

(01:08:25):
only have yourself. You literally are going to lose everyone
you love in life, they're going to lose you. You
only have yourself till the very end, So you can't.
You can. You can be a disappoint in yourself, you
can criticize yourself, you can feel all these things about yourself,
but you can't give up on yourself. You always have
to be like, yes, I don't like what you just did. Yes,
I don't like how you look today. Yes I'm disappointed
in how you've behaved this week or how you behave

(01:08:46):
just now. But I'm not gonna I'm still gonna stay
with you. I'm still I'm not gonna check out. I'm
not gonna give up on you. And I feel like
it's like being in a shitty marriage where you're like,
I can't I'm not going to give up on this,
even though it's like I'm really upset and I want
to get out and I want to abandon you, and
I don't know quite what that means yet to me,

(01:09:08):
but it's something that's kind of stuck with me. That
isn't like love yourself, even I hate the thing that's like, well,
if you can't love yourself, accept yourself, I don't know
the difference between the two. They aren't clicking for me.
It doesn't help to hear that. What does help for me,
for some reason, is you don't get to abandon yourself.
You don't get to just check out and let yourself
like a toddler, just wander off into traffic. You still
gotta hold that toddler's hand, even if you're disappointed. You

(01:09:30):
don't know why you have this toddler. You're so sick
of it. It's draining all your time. You don't even
like the way it looks, you don't even like the
way it acts. Is you're so disappointed in what you have,
you have to hold that toddler's hand as across as
the street, even if you're mad about it. And I
kind of liked that imagery. Yeah, so I'm gonna leave
on that. Everyone have a great weekend. We are gonna
be on tour again. I'm Intoert Ronert City, I think

(01:09:55):
Ronert Park. Sorry, California. It's Casino and then I am
in to Mecula. That's not this weekend, that's next week. Yeah,
it's next weekend. This weekend I'm off, But then the
next weekend it'll be Rohnert, California, and then Temecula and
then a bunch of different cities coming up. I'm gonna
be in La doing spots all around town, so you
check my schedule for or just check my Instagram stories

(01:10:17):
for that. But we will see you next week on
the podcast. Don't even think we won't have a great weekend.
Don't be cut and bye.