Bonus! The Tortured Poets Department Gushfest Part II

Nikki returns with her friend, comedian Nour Hadidi, to continue the enticing talks of Taylor Swift's "The Tortured Poets Department" album. What do these songs mean? Which ex is she talking about? What tracks are a bop and what ones take to ruminate? You will not want to miss out on this chat, Swiftie Besties! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The nick A Gliser Podcast Nick Glaser pos Hey everyone,
it's me Nicki Glazer.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
It's Nicky Glazer Podcast Special Edition, Taylor Swift, Torture Posts,
Apartment gush Fest Part two. We're gonna try to get
through as many songs as we can today, but you know,
we get a rambling. We also have to like just
cover stuff that's come up with the other songs that
we covered last week because like we have new feelings
about them as always, and by always I mean one

(00:33):
other time. I am joined by the only woman in
my life, person in my life who loves Taylor Swift
as much as me. Nor Hadidi comedian nor Hadidi, Welcome
back to the show.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Nor.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
It is an honor and a privilege to be here
and serve my country this way.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, your country being Canada.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yes, yes, you're my country being Swifty Swift dejastination Swift Nation.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
There we go, yes, yeah, well do okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I want to talk about your life because you are
the only one in my life who like there's a
maybe a couple no, you like are the top spot,
like if we're talking about like rankings, like you're my
boy breaks his favorite toys and then like I have
other people that are like down bad, which is like
very high up there in terms of like liking Taylor Swift.
But it's not like it's my boy only breaks his

(01:21):
favorite toys. Is so far above you. You are, like,
you're swifty on the level that I am. Do you
have the swifties in your personal life?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
You're You're at that are level, You're at Nikki, it's
only you.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Really, what did you do before me?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
What did we do before each other?

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Okay, so a few years ago, this was pre pandemic,
I put on I never told you this. I put
on a Taylor Swift show on her birthday for her,
so I know. It was on.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
December THIRTI like a comedy show.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, it was a talk show, and I had a
co host named Adele, so her and I would message
a lot. And I had a bunch of comics who
love her, who wrote material about her for the show.
So there's a comic Olivia Stadler, she was also on it.
I know her, you know her? Yeah, I feel I
feel like you would know her. So yeah, I had

(02:18):
some people I could reach out to and talk to,
but not at this level.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Like what Are you on the subreddits?

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yes, I'm on the sub are you?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's where you get where I get the like, that's
where I get the Okay, I'm not alone in this obsession,
Like before I met someone personally who was at the
same level as me, because it just it's a disappointment
when you see people in Taylor Swift merge and you
try to strike up a conversation like the way that
we want to have and they just aren't picking it up,

(02:47):
you know, and and they don't want to go there,
and they're kind of a little bit like, oh, I
don't know about that or like, so it's it's rare
to find someone, especially someone who's a comedian, especially someone
who I just met through someone else. Like it's not
like we found each other because of Taylor Swift. It
was just so exciting.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
But one of the reasons, like one of the reasons
I wanted to meet you so much was because I knew.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
We both had a love for her.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
I even because you did this really cool thing where
you had a dance party during the pandemic and you
dated all the money to an animal shelter, and I
bought a ticket and I danced the whole night and
I was like, oh, I.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Just want to meet her. She's so cool. You just
get you know, Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
That was so fun. Yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
That was when when my obsession was peaking, and obviously
it was before Folklore and evermore, and it was just yeah,
it was like fresh COVID and yeah I did.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
A dance party.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, I remember staying at my parents' house and man
that when that song came out. It like, first of all,
when Folklock came out, they had a Saint Louis mentioned
within the second track, and then they had to the
damn season soon after that, where it was like staying
at my parents' house and I was like, wait a second,
on the same page here it was released. I think
everyone finds little things like that in her songs.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
That wait, what she's reading my mind reference.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Rebecca showed up Bie afternoon train. It was sunny, her
saltback house on the coast took her mind off Saint Louis,
And so we always get really excited when it's just like,
oh my god, she's mentioning the city I'm from. It's
I'd imagine, I imagine how it feels to be a
Chloe Sophia or Marcus.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Or a Era or a Hannah.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Not really not those anyway. So Torture Poet's Department. We
are now a week and half out of it feels
like it's been a month because I've spent so much
time with it. Are you having this thing where you're
having to take breaks? Because it's not it doesn't it's
hitting different, Like it's not. I don't have the Limerens

(04:51):
thing going on, which is that like drug related type
feeling that courses through your veins when you are first
falling in love with a song, like it's starting the
drugs aren't getting me high anymore? Like obviously I love
the song, there's no question, but I'm not getting high
from them. Are you having that and want to find
for me? It's like maybe not necessarily the high, but

(05:13):
because she pulls me in so emotionally, I find that
I'm depleted after listening to the album, like because I'll
put it on once requests and then I'm like I can't,
Like this has just taken so much out of me.
I need if you listening to the album and like
all together, like you like go through it? You yeahs
slight man, Okay, we're different kind of swifty because I

(05:34):
know about you, guys. I hear about you on the
subred It's like you're listening to the album and you're
being drained emotionally, Like I don't know what that is.
You must be in an extreme mpath.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Is that something that.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Maybe my sister is? So maybe I think I'm not
to the extent as her, But I do feel things
like and on this album more so than all of
her other previous albums, because the the lyrics are what
really shine through, right, Like the action I don't want
to say feels the same because it's different for each song,
but it's not like Midnights where we're getting a different

(06:07):
kind of song one after the other. I find that
in all yeah, like from the same emotional place and melancholic.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yes, And I don't know if I said this before,
but like that whole argument that this all sounds the same,
like I probably did. I'm so sorry if I repeat myself.
I talk about Taylor swif constantly, so I don't know
where I said each thing, So there might be some
things repeated in this episode. And you can just like
press the skip, you know, like go thirty seconds ahead
and then I'll be done saying the thing.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I just said.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
But for people saying this sounds the same if it
sounded to Midnights, I remember the discourse around that was
it wasn't cohesive enough, oh sounding too different. So it's
like I remember that being a criticism of it. It
wasn't a cohesive album, which is always like a word
that music critics use to talk about albums, like it
doesn't have a similar theme, And it's like, and now

(06:56):
this one does, and people are like, it doesn't have
any kind of nuanced it's not We're not on a
roller coaster. It's like, but you complained last time that
she did that, so kind of as the you know,
I've said it before, but it's the point she makes
about if you uh have enough fat on you to
have an ass, you have a tummy, and if you
don't have a tummy, then you're not gonna have an ass,
and people will criticize you for that.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
So it's like you can't It's almost like you can't
fucking win.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yes, so such is the life of Taylor Swift. But
and yes, you're right, I guess I'm not drained emotionally
from this album as much as I've been hearing other
people like I definitely am feeling things and I think
I just I'm sorry, Taylor, if you're listening, I don't
think about your life as much as I think about
my life, and like I I will, I'm obviously like

(07:42):
I know you're happy now because of so high school
and the Alchemy, and like I'm so I'm like, Okay,
she's she's good and because this album's success, and I mean,
and I don't know she's happy, by the way, that's
me being Uh, she can do it with a broken heart.
I can read her mind. She's having the time of
her life. She could be not right now. We know
that from I can do it with the broken heart

(08:03):
because she can fool us. Yeah, because she's a fucking.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Pro, because she's a master. But I am not.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I'm not like, oh my god, I can't believe she
went through this, Like I'm I'm sad that she did,
of course, but I'm not. Like when we got off
the podcast last week, you kind of blew my mind
with how you were saying, like it really like it,
like it makes you sad, Like you're sad after listening
to songs like you get depressed wait, you don't. I

(08:32):
don't relate to that at all. If anything, it like
is a nurturing blanket. It's like someone like crazy, Like
it's like laying in my grandmother's lap and her like
gently like rubbing my hair and like drawing animals on
my back. And I can guess what like the most
comforting feeling. It feels buzzy. It feels like a narcotic.
I'm not kidding you. I feel like I could just

(08:54):
you could see me on skid row and like you
know those memes where it's like someone's mainlining an iPod
into their and that's that's torture Poets for me right now.
Of like you know, probably seven of the songs last night,
I learned Love of my Life on the guitar, which
is very very simple, if you, if anyone here wants
to learn guitar, it's very very easy. And it's and

(09:15):
that's like and I was almost like making myself cry
because of how like I was singing it.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Like that was a that was really a cathartic moment
for me.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
But I'm not having like, oh I'm so set, like
I need to like someone to pick me up. If anything,
I put this album on to like get me out
of those moods that have nothing to do with her.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
So my question is, do you think because you have
a musical background that's the reason, because I don't. I like,
I'm like Taylor does what she's background? What are you
talking about?

Speaker 1 (09:42):
I started playing, I started playing, but I sang in
choir in high school. But I started singing and playing
music only four years ago, less than.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
But you're incredible and your voice is amazing.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
That is really debatable. But thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Oh but I don't.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
I don't think I approach it from like I see
that like I have synesthesia see it musically. I think
it's just we're This is what I like about Taylor Swift.
Our favorites, which we've ranked them, are so different the
way we that she her music makes us feel. But
why would you want to listen to it if it
makes you sad? Is my point?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Is my question for you?

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Oh my god, it's almost like because I've been listening
to her music since I was nineteen, and it's like
she's opening up her diary.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
And how can I not is the question? How can
I not.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Like morbid curiosity?

Speaker 3 (10:29):
It's a connection I have to her. It's hard to explain.
It's like I've been I've listened to every single song
she's put out since two thousand and nine. I'm not
going to stop now her.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Even though it hurts. But does it feel good? And
there has to be some component of it that makes
you feel good? Why would you do it? You're you're
just doing it because you're a fan.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
And you have to no, Well, you know what it's
like when you're trying. You love a new song and
you like even though whatever emotions it makes you feel,
you still want to know the lyrics right. You want
to get to a point where you know what the
bridge is, you know what. So that's what keeps me listening.
I think, is I wanted?

Speaker 1 (11:06):
You're trying to memorize it even though it makes you sad,
Well listen, hold on. Who am I to judge you
for doing something that ultimately makes you sad because that's
literally everything I do is like it feels but at
first it feels good at least, you know, like if
I use drugs, if I drink, if I engage in

(11:27):
texting people I should in or whatever whatever, Like you know,
thing we do in our life that gives us a
momentary surge like a drug. There is a depressing thing afterwards,
and that's what I'm feeling with. It's just not hitting
the same way where I'm like I need now, I
need well. Thank God there's thirty one fucking songs because
the second my boy only breaks his favorite toys. I
haven't listened to that song in five days because I

(11:48):
need to recalibrate. It's not like I need to build
up my tolerance again. And so when it comes on,
I go, oh my god, this song, you know, like
I need to get it back. Music is one hundred
percent like a drug for me. There's such correlations to it.
And and and I was gonna say it's like having
a crush on a guy like I said last week,
like I was feeling like this weird feeling come over

(12:11):
me of like oh my god, when I go home,
I get to like text a boy I like, which
I haven't been doing that for so long I'm in
a relationship. But then I was realized it was the album.
It was like, it gives me this look up the
word limerence I had. I have limerens with these albums.
But that's also a drug, like love falling in love
with someone that kind of early stage. So this it
and I mean it's so fitting because this album is

(12:32):
about like using love as a drug to get over something,
you know, to get over Joe, which everyone says this
album is not about Joe, but it is because Maddie
is a response to Joe.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
That is, it is about Joe.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
I don't think Maddie I did agree with it because
it's she well she even says I took the miracle
move on drug.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
The effects were temporary. Why does she need a drug
to move on? If?

Speaker 1 (12:57):
If she's fine about Joe?

Speaker 3 (13:00):
I thought she said that she took the drug to
get all over Maddie.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Oh you think, Oh you think I think Maddie is
the drug.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
I'll tell you. I'll tell you my thesis.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Interesting, Okay, we when.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Jack Antonoff posted brand Yeah, when Jack Antonoff posted the
photo of her counting the raisins and said.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yes losing the night they recorded You're Losing Me.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
That was years ago.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
So she's been on and off and on and off
and Midnight right, well, like you said, was the breakup
album with Maroon, Right, it's different, you know, like and
on Midnight Sweet Sweet, Nothing exactly the.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Jeweled best believe I'm still a bit jeweled. And when
the when I when I meet the band, they asked
do you have a man?

Speaker 2 (13:53):
What man? Do you think? That was the night?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
I think it was the nineteen seventy five I'll say,
I don't remember, like that is. When I heard that lyric,
I go, what, oh, who is this about? We're not
dealing with characters anymore in folklore. You know this is you, girl,
And if I loved.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
It, maybe so bold.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Both question and glitch are about Maddie and they were.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
On now this is midnights.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yes, well, she might have been talking to him when
they were on little breaks, because as someone who has
been in a relationship that ends and then gets back
together and ends and get back together during those breaks,
you often go back to someone who you possibly could
have been talking to before you got together with that person,
which is what we know from a lot of reconnaissance

(14:43):
about Maddie. And so this is all speculating and we
are definitely being Sarah's Hannahs right now. So I apologize
to Taylor Swift for speculating. But girl, like I said
last week, this is what you do to us and
I'm sorry if it feels invasive. And I love you
so much and I do the same things, and so
that's why I love talking about it. Nothing you've done

(15:04):
has ever been like I would never do that. I
do all of it, and it makes me feel seen.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
I saw this incredible. I wish I knew who the
creator was. It was a real on Instagram and you know,
the one is also about Maddie and it says, what yes,
yes girl?

Speaker 1 (15:23):
And why is she going to get out of the
set list when she broke up with Joe? We all
thought that was because I remove one not missing on
thee She removed invisible string and put the one on
because one invisible string. She sorry, sorry, she moved invisible string.
You're right, I'm so sorry. I got those two mixed up.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Forgive me sat It's okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yes, So there was an incredible Swift who's like, can
I ask you a question?

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Like?

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Because we all, I mean literally, whenever a question comes
up on subreddit where it's like, if you got to
ask Taylor Swift one question, what would be I'm always like,
what does question mean?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
That's always gonna be?

Speaker 1 (15:57):
My question to her is like when I beco friends
with her, I'm gonna be girl. Let's talk about question.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah, so the one in question or inter related, like
there's a breakdown of how if one thing had been different,
would everything be different? And the expansion of that lyric
from one is all of question, like okay, uh question?

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, has anyone ever kissed you in a crowded room
and all of your friends were making fun of you?
And fifteen seconds later they were laughing to then what
would you do? Okay? I thought question was about Harry styles.
Do you know why, because in the beginning of the
song goes I Remember, and it's about I mean, that's
a callback to Out of the Woods, which we all

(16:42):
know is about Harry. So at the very end he
goes I Remember, and so I was like, Okay, that's
definitely why would she put that in there? So there's
a lot of that going on. Here's the thing about Taylor.
It's like, until I become friends with her, I won't
have these answers. Ever, we will never know concretely what
is really going on, because there are there are songs.
Let me talk about love of my Life first a second.

(17:04):
I mean, we'll get into it, but there I don't
know who that's about, because that has both Maddie, that
has everyone in it, you know, like you can't really
pin it down. So she's she's she's being vague enough,
but then and then you get to thank you Amy,
and you're like, well, this is very clear. So there's
times where she's like so vague and other times are

(17:24):
she's spot on. Okay, So before we get into it,
which I obviously we're well in, but before we get
back to the track we got through last week fresh
out of the slammer, now, I just want to go
back one second and say that I realized an amazing thing.
And but Daddy, I love him. That, Like it's it's

(17:46):
definitely about Maddie. And it's another one of these like, oh,
she uses a music sample that sounds like the guy
she's talking about. She did it and dear John with
like the kind of like whiny like guitar bern now
you know, and we're like, oh my god, that's a
John Mayer guitar. And so she does that. So but Daddy,
I love him. There's some drums at the very end

(18:08):
that I want to play, and then we're gonna hear
those drums somewhere else. Now I'm gonna play these drums.
I'm not gonna play longer than fifteen seconds, so we
don't get copyright. Oh wait, no, I'm sorry. It's my
boy only breaks his favorite toys. Sorry about that, you guys.
And if anyone thinks this is about Joe, you're wrong.
Not that you would. Okay, sorry, keeping it one second

(18:36):
here it comes. Listen to the drums, okay. Now, listen
to the drums on the song the City, which is
the song that she played and I got very much
into because she played.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Them at.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
It is the same drum. It is the same drum
in the city. Let me play it her by boilin
Brigs's favorite toys again. Now that that drum.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Okay, one more time. The City. It's the same fucking drum,
you guys.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
So that The City is the song that she played
in January of twenty twenty three at the seventy five show.
It is also a song that she was singing to
in a video from like twenty fourteen when she went
to one of their concerts, like she loves that song.
I thought maybe it was probably like back when she
went to his concert in January of last year when

(19:36):
Joe and her were still together. I'm not gonna lie.
I kind of knew things something was because I just
I knew that she had like talked to him before,
and I'm just like, we got this Midnight's album. I
was feeling like Joe was not like I think that
there were some little clues that things with Joe weren't good.
The Bejeweled line all of a sudden made sense about

(19:58):
like a band, even though that album came out before
she went to go see them, And then I knew
she was like just them hanging out and I was
just and so I remember getting into the city and
being like, is this about her?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Like is she singing?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Because how bad ass would it be if you if
a guy ten years ago wrote a song about you
and then ten years later when you're in another relationship
and you're just friends or whatever, Because that's what I
kind of thought it was going on. But I thought
maybe she is the who knows. I go, how badass
would it be to walk out on stage get a
bigger response than even the person that they're there to see.
Then you play there the song that he wrote about you,

(20:34):
And I gotta say I like her version that she
does acoustically. If you guys haven't heard it, you're missing
out so much.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Her version.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
It's one of my favorite songs out. I love their version,
but I think I like hers more, maybe because I
heard it first, but I just love her acoustic version
of it. And so that is a huge hidden piece
that I wanted to reveal that I don't think I've
seen any tiktoks about or anything. So that was I
wanted to go back and do that before war. And
then I wanted to also say I'm okay, so I'm

(21:07):
really into.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Okay. No, we'll get into that later. Let's pick back.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Is there anything you want to say about the tracks
that we've all been over?

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Even though my.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Boilely breaks his favorite toys? Can I ask you why
that is in your bottom?

Speaker 4 (21:23):
It's not in my bottom?

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Wasn't it? No? I love that song?

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Okay good, okay good.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
And by the way, even if songs are in your
our bottoms, we don't not like them, like that's the
thing about Taylor Swift rankings like feel sad when you
see a song its number. He was my other friend Brenna,
my friend Brenna who is also for those of you.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
You know Brenna if you're listening to the podcast regularly.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Andrew's fiance Brenna is also a major swiftye and her
she is my boilely breaks his favorite toys at the
bottom and she and her my bottoms are on her top.
And that was so fascinating to us as we were
talking about yesterday. Hey, Swifty besties, I'm back again. Here
comes another commercial break, but we'll be back after it.
Don't you even worry about it. Okay, let's pick back up.

(22:16):
We are starting with.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Florida.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Any exclamation points? Okay, featuring Florence and the Machine. Now
Florence and the Machine. Does that mean it's featuring the
whole band? Because I thought it was just featuring Florence.
But I guess the whole band is there? Or is
that what she goes by?

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Maybe that's what she's going by.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, okay, I thought her name was Florence Welch, but
I guess that's what she goes by.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Nor what are your feelings on this track?

Speaker 4 (22:42):
I mean, I love Florida.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
I'm obsessed with the production, with the lyrics, with with
Florence on it. It is one of my faves. It's
in my top five. I love Florida.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Really Okay, it's definitely a bottom five. It is definitely
maybe it's it. It goes number thirty one on my rankings.
I have to say, I don't know what's wrong with me.
I was on a swifty subreddit and not one of
the bad ones. Let me just say swifty subreddit, I'm
I do. I no longer participate in, definitely no longer

(23:19):
participate in one that starts with a G, and I
definitely no longer participate in the one that's swifty neutral,
which is like people that are like, you know what,
we're not gonna like just be sick of fans about her.
We're actually gonna it is the most negative space. They
are all obsessed with her, but they can't admit it
to themselves and so and they're almost embarrassed that they're
obsessed with her, so they have to take her down.

(23:40):
But it's like that is an obsession in and of itself,
and they just like to make fun of us. They
like they're just it's the most And I used to
just dabble in it just to see what people were
up to that were on the other side of what
I am like, you know, just be open to the
you know, the don't closure or bipartisanship, like open your

(24:01):
mind to their side so you can empathize with them
even though you'll never agree. And I just I got
out of it. I started, I got I'm unsubscribed because
it was so negative, because it just is whether or
not you agree with them. Just following a subreddit that
only talks shit, which is so many subreddits, is bad
for your health. And if you're a regular listening to
the podcast, you know that I'm trying to avoid just

(24:22):
like criticism and shit talking in any way, even though
it's one of my favorite things to do. But they
then read it just like starts like showing you posts
from it, being like you might like this, and I
muted them because I just want out of that. I
just don't want any more negativity. But I did find
something within the There's True Swifties, which are mega mega Swifties,
and then there's the Tailor Swift subredd But if you

(24:43):
want to if you want like nothing but gushy love
all the time, True Swifties is a good one. But
in Taylor Swift someone was talking about the album and
they said Florida made them feel nauseous, and I think
it does that to me too, but I think it's
meant to because it's like it's like and Florida is.
It's like the way she described this song is like
that's where you go to like get away from the

(25:05):
law after you've done something bad, and there's your bearing
things and there's just it just it just makes me
feel kind of I feel uneasy, even though I do
recognize that it is.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I mean, immediately when I saw the title, I'm like.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Florida, like it's so catchy. I don't tend to like
her like getting together with people and singing. I just
like want her to sing the whole thing. If I think,
and I love Florence in the Machine, I really am
a fan, but I it's like two positives to make
a negative to me. I just want Taylor when I
want Taylor, and if she sang this whole song, I

(25:41):
bet it would not be thirty one for me. But
that but Florence only makes Florence's voice is amazing on it.
It's so ghostly and kind of fits the vibe of it.
Like I have no complaints. I don't know why, but
it's just not my song yet. What is your favorite
parts about it?

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Well?

Speaker 3 (25:58):
When I first listened to the it's the one song
I kept playing on repeat. Oh yeah, I think it's everything.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Really like.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Her, the lyrics, the instrumentation, the drums with the pump up.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yes, I mean there's references. I like how this it's
cross reference. I mean we hear about Florida first in
Fortnite and then yeah, I don't know if Florida comes
up again, but there's we all thought that Florida. This
track was gonna be about her breakup with Joe that happened,
probably in Florida, because she was in Florida when we
all kind of thought it happened. Yes, does Maddie represent Florida?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Is that who Maddie is? Where you go after you.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
To get away from something, to escape pain, to escape
some like is he Florida?

Speaker 3 (26:50):
I like that analogy. I can see that, Like what's
your obsession with Florida?

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Like?

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Why what is she trying to tell us in this?
I think trying to tell dolls there? Yeah, well, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Really love the lines that both her and Florence have
where little did you know your hometown's only a place
you're just a guest in, and then a Florence line,
little did you know your hometown's only the place you'll
get arrested?

Speaker 4 (27:14):
So I kind of like.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
That, Yeah, that, like where you live is actually what
you think is permanent is only it's going to feel
temporary when you, you know, make this big decision and decide
that you have to go down to Florida. So maybe
that's what it is like with Maddie, Like, yeah, I'm

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he's my Florida, this six year relationship that I've had,
I'm only a guest in it.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Oh fuck, Okay, can I just say my favorite lyric?
I think I'm coming around on this song, oh way,
Because I'm looking at the lyrics, I'm like, wait a second,
I think I love the song all of the bodies
that have ever been on my body like that is
I know that part. People might make fun of that
lyric and be like, Okay, you're just saying body a lot,
But like, if you were gonna make fun of that,
you should make fun of to the left, to the left,

(28:05):
everything you own in a box to the left, Like
you're allowed to say words a lot, yes, and.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
But that one is so funny.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
All of the bodies that have been on my body,
like I want I want to hear Taylor saying that
so badly. Even though it's a Florin's line and it's
one hell of a drug. I love that it's one
hell of a drug. Like, I like how it opens
up at the end really big. Okay, I'm I'm a
Florida stand now.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
It's yeah, top five.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
I really do like it, oh, because I know what
this is what I do. Like, I'm open to being
like I don't like things and then I look at
them and I go, why why don't you like it?
And then I really don't have any evidence to back
it up. So I like Florida.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
I'm back in.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
We're going to get to my my number thirty one song,
my new number thirty one song in a second, but
not yet, because we're moving on to Guilty as Sin,
which is.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
What I think it ranked pretty high up there.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
For me, it's so funny because you'll be like, oh,
I think that's my top that's my number two songs,
and then you go, oh shit, I have a lot
of songs that are favorites, which is that's what this
album is about. So for me, Wow, it doesn't even
rank in top ten for me, and it's one of
my favorites.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I'm looking at my top ten list. I don't, I god,
where is it for me? Where?

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Oh it's number eleven. Okay, so it's it's nearly there.
But that's that seems crazy. I think my ranking's fucked
up because Guilty a Sin is so good. I listened
to it Saturday night. I had a claw Foot bathsub
in my really nice I guess was Sunday night. Yeah,
Sunday night at claw Foot bathsub in my hotel room
in Omaha, And after my oh, Maha, I drew a

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bath and I like put on Guilty of Sin and
I like pretended I was her in a relationship and
like dreaming about a boy, and like I did not masturbate,
but this is the song to do that too, because
it's so funny. I was telling Anya about this song,
and I was like, oh, you know, she wrote a
song about masturbating to someone else when you're in a
relationship and feeling bad about it, or not feeling bad
about it, but yeah, feeling guilty of sin.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
And Antia goes.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Do you think other people like look into these songs
as much as you do, and I go, no, this
is not me just like putting a spin on it.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
This is this is very clear.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I mean, I will say when I did the first
live listen to this album the night it came out,
I remember people in the chat being like, Guilty of
Sin is about her masturbating, and I instantly went to it.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
I was like, I can't.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I don't think I think it was coming up next,
but I was like that was like, I want to
get to it now. I didn't skip to get to
it because I want to listen in order, but I
wanted to immediately because I mean, what what a subject.
I mean, this is I remember when Britney Spears wrote
a song about masturbating and it was wild, and now
we got Taylor Swift for writing one and because that's what
it is, right nor.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Absolutely, I just you're so funny. I just thought of
the Brittany one, like, uh uh, I wanna go. So
this one's like that one's.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
W that's not even the one. The Touch of My
Hand is the name of the song. Oh and it
is legit about her master.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
It's called the Touch. I think it's called the Touch
of My Hand.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
But I'm sure she is a lot, but that came
out kind of like I think, probably earlier than uh uh,
I want to go go But touch on my hand
was like I was in high school and I was like,
or maybe early college, like whoa, I think it was
early college, being like, man, this girl's talking about masturbation,
like I don't even know how to do that yet,
And I think it was the first time I got
kind of curious into it. But Guilty of Sin Drowning

(31:24):
in the Blue Nile, which is a album from or Sorry,
is a band who has a song called Downtown Lights.
So she's drowning in the Blue House. She's already listening
to it. He sent me Downtown Lots. I hadn't heard
it in a while. My boredom's bone deep, so she's
bored in a relationship. This cage, we're talking about cages,
which we heard about in but Daddy, I love him.

(31:46):
This cage was what's just fine? Am I allowed to cry?
By the way, I can't even believe am I allowed
to cry? I wrote a song that is coming out
May eighth, I think called some and You'll Die, And
I have a song about crying in the bathtub, and
I struggled for so long to come up with the

(32:07):
perfect lyric for it, because it was about like trying
to cry but not being able to kind of thing
and fucking Taylor Swift nails. That's the what I was
trying to do, is like, am I like I she
was able to? Because I ended up just using the
lyric like why can't I cry?

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Right?

Speaker 1 (32:23):
But that was the same thing of like why why
can't I cry? But she answers my question, I can't
cry because I don't know if I'm allowed to? And
I'm like, wow, is that's twenty years of songwriting ahead
of me? Like her a like twenty years ago she
might have written my version, which.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Was can't I can't cry? Simple?

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I like, like just it's fine, it's fine. But that
was that's the poetic mastery that she's achieved, Like as
someone who is trying to convey the same image she
conveyed it, that is so much more.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Interesting to me. Am I allowed to?

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Then?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Why can't I cry?

Speaker 4 (33:01):
You know?

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Like I think why can't I Cry? Is debut? And
am I allowed to cry? As Torchure poets?

Speaker 1 (33:06):
That just shows like her elevation and songwriting, which is fine.
I am debut, like I just started playing music, like
I'm even less than debut. I'm like her like little CD.
She used to bring them out into radio stations before debut,
like that's where I'm at in my journey, not even there.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
She wrote way more. I'm like her.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
When she was twelve and got a she probably write
three songs before four PM when she got her first
guitar for Christmas. Have you ever seen that video where
she gets the guitar for Christmas?

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yesh, so cute, happy, she says that she's so cute.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Okay, I'm dreaming of cracking locks. Okay, we see that
imagery in the music video for Fortnite, throwing my life
to the wolves or the ocean rocks. Okay, we heard
about ocean rocks in uh the Rebecca wrote up on
them where she's like, oh yeah, tossing herself onto the
pacing the rocks and the men. And then she's and

(33:56):
also in My Tears Ricochet falling like you know, she's
she's jumping off of very tall somethings in a lot
of songs, crashing into him tonight. He's a paradox. I'm
seeing visions, am I bad or mad or wise? And
then what if he's written mine on my upper side
only in my mind? I mean that is, I would
have dropped my mic if it didn't cost a lot.

(34:19):
I can't even handle this lyric.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
It's so hot and the melody of it, the melody
so interesting.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
God, what if he's.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
Written man on my upper thigh only ma ma?

Speaker 1 (34:36):
And then my favorite part, want slip and down the
fu like that. Dun't dunt duntd That is so interesting
and I cannot get There's a video of post Malone
dancing that someone put to this song.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
And every time I hear want slip and fallen.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Back into the hedge maze, I always picture him going
damn dump and dancing. That is. I want to dance
to this song so badly. I can't not wait to
go to a Swifty single long. I cannot wait to
go to aristour and maybe she plays this, but I
doubt we'll get this one. Yeah, but who knows. I
keep recalling things we never did. I mean, who can't
relate to that where you're like, this is Limerens, dude.

(35:12):
I've been talking about Limerens on the podcast so much.
She is a limberhead just like me, Just like you
probably where you have fantasies about someone and you go
so far in your head that it becomes better than
anything it could ever be between you two, like you
closing your eyes at night to go to sleep, you
on a plane. My friend Taylor has limerens too.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
She does it.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
It's like a drug that people do where they just
fantasize and you don't jack off to it, but it's
like you're just in your You're just it feels buzzy
and warm. I think it's really bad for you.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
It's a coping mechanism, right, Like, Yeah, I used to
daydream a lot as a kid, and I used to
romanticize so much when I was a teenager, especially because
I never had an experience, so I would just like
like build it up in my mind or do things
that I wanted without having to actually like be vulnerable
in real life.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Right, whatever made you do stand up comedy? Like what
made you stop fantasizing about that? Because I think a
lot of people have fantasies of doing something like being
famous or like and you actually went and pursued it,
like because I wasn't really a daydreamy kid I was.
I've actually really didn't like daydreaming until recently because and
I still only daydream about things that I think I

(36:27):
can actually achieve. It's never something that it is unachievable. Ever, ever, ever, ever,
I would never fantasize. Now in my life, I have
kind of access to famous people, So if I was
a daydream about Brad Pitt, I'm like, well, maybe that
could actually happen. But when I was in middle school,
I was not daydreaming about you know, right or Strong
because I'm like, I have no access to him. So

(36:48):
I daydream about maybe someone in my class that I
but even in my class, I was like, I'm such
a dork. I don't have a chance with that person.
It would only I would only allow it if I
could actually make it happen.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Wow, So what made you.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Be able to do stand up comedy? Because I'm guessing
that's something you day dreamed about.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yes, I daydreamed about everything I wanted, I think because
what made me want to do stand up is I
just was obsessed with it, Nikki, Like, I didn't know
it was an art.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Form until I was in my obsessed shut up.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
I'm just like, of course, of course when you were obsessed,
like we are obsesses. Yeah, yeah, but you were obsessed
with it before you did it.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yeah, because I didn't know it was an art form
until I got to undergrad. It in my dorm room,
my dormmate was like, do you here, let's watch some
stand up. I didn't know you could just talk into
a mic and tell jokes like Jordither.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Okay, okay, so you really didn't know. Okay, you grew
up here until when.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
High school, so like, okay, comedy really didn't.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Know was sit coms, sitcoms and comedy movies like Steve Martin,
you know, yeah, prety sure, like mad about you, fresh parents.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
You and you're friends with Marty I like they called Marty.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Yeah, I would.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
I would die if I met Martin. It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I cried before I get though.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I have this thing where when I meet famous people,
I black out and where I met them because it's
just too much for my brain. It's very bizarre, it's happened.
It's happened so frequently that it's just it is of note,
like there's something wrong with me that people that I'm
really admiring of because I know I've met him no,
you know what, Chris met him. Chris did Beauty and
the Beast live and he played Loumire and he was

(38:38):
in a meeting with him and David Allen Greer and
it came out that he was my boyfriend and they
were both huge fans. And he came home to tell
me Martin Short knew who I was, and I was
just like, and I met Martin Short another time. I
just shook his hand really briefly. They were like doing
a sound check at the Beacon Theater for their show,
and Amy Schumer was friends with them, so we went
and just watched from the audience, and I think we

(38:59):
may have like shook their hand, but but anyway, that's
that's really that's the same way I felt about stand up.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
I didn't know that it was.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
I mean, I knew about it because I grew up
and I saw it on TV and stuff. And I
have really a lot of intense memories of my dad
laughing at Wendy Leeman a joke she did.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Oh my god, I love Wendy Leeman so much.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Me too, Like, and she's still cranking out amazing jokes
on Instagram, Like she's one of the best joke writers
like her joke that is so subtle that you can
roll your eyes at and be like, well, that's not
that simple, or that's not that hard.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
It is hard.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
She perfected what I do so much now, which is
just throw in one word at the very end and
it changes the whole meaning of the joke. I don't
know if she was the first to do it, but
she's the first that popularized it. I believe her and
Kevin Neelan and a little bit of David Spade on
on you know SNL like I I saw the I
saw the Body God this weekend and I want my

(39:56):
money back or you know. But even like that's not
even the perfect example. But her joke that my dad
laughed at was you guys, I just quit smoking crack
and she just said it like, you know, just that
and then all of a sudden, it's like, oh my god,
this will that little line. I just she's just amazing.
I met my husband online.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
At the grocery store. You're like just adding those little things.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Oh yeah, she's a kind off stage like I got
and it meant so much to me, and she was
so kind, like, yeah, I will never.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Every female comic who is truly great is really well, okay,
I'm taking it.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I just was like, just like I actually do really
love some people that are totally not nice.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah okay, but okay, so back, And I want to
say that actually Taylor Swift does the same thing that
Wendy Lehman does a lot of, like just changing something
at the very end, uh, loss of my Life. I
think we all got hit over the head for that,
Like we all thought it was love of my Life
and then she switched it at the end and like,
oh my god, through you know, but Daddy, I love him.
No I'm not, you know, like that's not exactly it.

(41:08):
But just leading us somewhere and then pulling us back
is a really great device that she has used a
lot in this album. But this song can I just
interpret because some besties wrote to me being like, we
need to hear your thoughts and guilty of said, I
am so obsessed with this song.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
It is so hot, is so sexy.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
All of these memes that are like Taylor Swift's written
a thousand, eleven hundred songs about boys breaking up with her,
but none about giving blowjobs.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Maybe is there a problem?

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Like people send me that one all the time because
it's like it's one of the dumbest things that has
ever been written. It's funny, I guess, like I you know,
like if you it's the joke is she's getting broken
up with because she doesn't give blowjobs, But like, who
writes songs about blowjobs? Like besides my MILKSHAKEE brings all
the boy Like is that even a blowjob joke? I
don't know, but but it's the dumbest meme. But I

(41:57):
will say Taylor Swift is very sexual and you can
post all of her awkward dancing you want and say, oh,
this girl doesn't have sex appeal. She one hundred percent
does you have no idea?

Speaker 2 (42:09):
In this song?

Speaker 1 (42:11):
She's into some of the same stuff I think I'm into,
And obviously I'm projecting and I want her to be
just like me, and I want to be just like her,
So I'm gonna find any way I can. So just
know that I know that, guys, But what if he's
written mine on my upper thigh? That is some bead
sm stuff. And I'm not saying that she's into that.
I'm not making any I'm just saying as someone who
is into that stuff, who does like to be the

(42:33):
sub and who does like people to like own me
and be like you're gonna do this writing mine on
someone's upper thigh, which is a very sexy area. It's
like pretty much your vagina.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Is so hot.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
And writing on someone, I mean that is something I
only really see in pornography when they write on women
and write things and it's just hot.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
It's ownership.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
It's like it's it's that subdom kind of Vie And and.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Her song mine is you know, like I thought about
that too.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Oh, like it's reframing that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Like and she writes on herself all the time.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
We know that she's always written lyrics on her arms,
she writes thirteen on her hands, Like this isn't like
out of the realm for her, so like, of course,
our girl is using that kind of same fun thing
of like writing on yourself in a sexual way. And
let me just say, what if he's only written mine
on his She goes, if she didn't say he only

(43:34):
has but what if like what does that mean to you?
Like what if he's like why didn't she say, you know,
he's only written mine on my upper side?

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Only in my mind? Or whatever?

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Like she could have just stated that, but she's like
did it happen? And I maybe a miss Like to me,
it sounds like did this only happen in my mind?

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Or did this happen?

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Could this have happened? Did it happen? Maybe? Like you know,
she's imagining things they never did. So it's not saying
that it's one of those things it could have been.
I just don't know. What do you think, Nore?

Speaker 4 (44:06):
I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
I think it's like in her, in her head, she
wants it, she's fantasizing about it, and she's saying it.
And anyone who's like, why doesn't she write songs about blowjobs? Like,
first of all, this is an artist putting art out there.
She does not need to do anything for you. All
she needs to do is create art that comes out
of her. That is her only job, whether you like

(44:29):
it or not. It is not up for criticism or
you know, when when I write a joke or I
write an hour, I don't have like I work.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
I typically work clean.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
It's not a constructive criticism in any way to be like, well,
why don't you write about that? Like the comedy that
comes out of me, the music that comes.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Out of her is her art.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
We don't get to judge it like that. We don't
get to say you didn't do this, didn't do that.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
That's interesting because I definitely give her that. Like when
I listen to her, I'm never like she owes me anything.
Don't ever feel like and I've been really adamant about that.
She literally owes us nothing. She could put out of,
you know, a album of whale sounds, and we would
all be like, okay, well not for me, but like
you know, she could do the hundred three thousand things
of like putting out a flute album, and it's like,

(45:16):
maybe not for us, but it's what she wanted to do.
Then fuck it, like no complaints and you can just
say it's not for you, but she's allowed to do
whatever she wants. Yea, I will say, don't allow myself
that same grace. I feel like a lot of times
and and it isn't It isn't nice to do yourself
as an artist of being like I need to be
more like this person. Man, I should have written a
joke like that, like you know, I used to hear

(45:38):
like Nikki, you only told a little bit of the joke.
We want to hear more and there's something to that,
but I always feel this pressure. Like this weekend, I
was performing in Saint Louis, and I know based on
you know, every indication. I get that when you go
to a town, if you have jokes about the town,
they love them more than anything else.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
You'll say.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
That night, you can have a closer that you've worked
on for ten years and you're finally debuting it in
the way that people haven't heard it before, and it's
so perfect and people will not remember it as much
as you making a little comment about how their drivers
are bad on this so and so road, and everyone's
excited because this person knows. They know about that road,

(46:20):
they know about King's Highway, Boulevard or whatever it is.
And so this weekend in Saint Louis, I especially my
hometown show. It's a forty five hundred seat venue, which
is bigger than anything I've ever played on my own
anywhere really, and it was sold out. It was incredible.
Thank you so much to everyone who came. So many Swifties,
there's so many Swifties. But I felt such pressure because

(46:41):
also my dad's there. My dad is always like, why
don't you ever see anything about the tone. People love that,
and I'm like, because I am, I don't care. That's
not the kind of comedy I do.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Like, I don't.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I'm kind of like living life with blinders on when
I go. When I land somewhere, I don't like look
around like. It's not because I don't care, it's just
the way my brain is. Like I don't really noticed
differences in cities. I'm not interested in cultural differences or architecture.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
I'm just it's just.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Not what I'm into. I'd like to go to my
hotel room and sleep. And so for me to write
jokes about a town, it stresses me out, even though
I know it's what people want and I know, based
on reading Subred and stuff O the comedians like when
comedians joke about a town, it also shows agility and
appliability of you being able to just come up with
something on the spot. And that really stresses me out

(47:27):
because I don't think of myself as like an improv person.
But for this weekend in Saint Louis, I felt so
much pressure to do Saint Louis jokes because I'm from there, Like,
you don't get to excuse yourself and be like I
just got into town today, Like I need jokes about
Saint Louis.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
I don't have them.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I have opinions about Saint Louis, but they're not like
fully formed jokes yet. And so I decided to take
the anti Hero song, which I know very well on guitar,
and I pretty much just memorized her version of it
that she played at the nineteen seventy five show. It's
one of the it's the best acoustic. She's just incredible
acoustic performances. Her guitar styling is simple, but it's not

(48:02):
at all. It's like it's really hard to learn, like
if you're a guitarist and you know your shit, Like
people who don't know their shit say, like's they don't
think she's a good guitarist because she uses a.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Kpo or whatever it is. But her styling is just
in it's off the charts.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
And I mean, this bitch learned guitar on a twelve
string guitar because someone made fun of her and said,
you can't do it twelve string, that's too much for you,
and she goes, actually, I'm gonna get a twelve string
and she was like fourteen years old, this is so
hard to play anyway, She's incredible.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
I learned that version.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I wrote new lyrics to ants I hear about Saint Louis,
so I was able to make all and so I
just was able to sing that song and get it
out of the way so I don't have to mention
Saint Louis.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Ever again, and I can just do my act. And
that was literally only the.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Reason I did it was because I just obviously I
like to sing and all those things. I just wanted
to give the people what they wanted, right, Like I
wanted to do it with.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
A broken heart.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Not that I was broken hearted about it, but I
just wanted to get that out of the way, give
my dad what he wants. But Daddy, I love you.
And here's the song, here's all the things about Saint Louis.
And I went a little too hard, I think, because
I called Saint Louis racist a lot, which it is.
It's a very very racist town.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I am not.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
I don't park take in that, and like I know
most Saint Louis's don't, but you gotta admit it's weird.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
And then I also made fun of some high.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Schools and and and just you know, I maybe went
a little too hard on us, but people seem to
like it. But it was me doing what I don't
ever expect of Taylor, which is like, give me, give
the people what they want, which obviously she does. She
delivers all the time. But getting back into this song
Guilty of Sin, I mean, my favorite part, I mean

(49:36):
it's one of my favorites parts just melodically in the
whole album. There's so many so I'll say this twenty times,
but where she goes, uh, these fatal fantasies.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Like the way she's just like in the it's kind of.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Like like it's just so sexy that delivery like that
is I'm not someone who knows how to talk about
music theory, but there's something very interesting and different her
voice in these songs, like she's really some different like
she's just doing things with her voice she hasn't done before,
but these fatal fantasies, and by the way, her range

(50:09):
is out of control. I was, oh no, I was
at the dentist on Friday and my mouth is open,
there are instruments inside of it, and the hygienist and
the dentist were talking about the woman that was in
the chair before me, which is some old woman who
was complaining about the music that was playing because she
really likes opera music. And so my dentist was like,

(50:31):
why didn't you just ask, you know, Alexa put on
some opera music, and she was like, well, because I
don't know, it could be like a kind she doesn't like,
I don't know opera, so I just didn't so I
just kept it playing. And then something she said something
about She was like, oh, and she said that, you know,
and we were talking about Taylor Swift and she was like,
you know, saying like, you know, that girl can't sing,
and fucking assholes, this old dumb bitch who is obviously

(50:56):
very accomplished. She's an opera singer. The woman was like,
an an opera singer or something. She thinks Taylor doesn't
have range. You are so wrong. Have you not seen
the tiktoks about Taylor's range? Yeah, it's insane. And not
only does she have range, from what we've seen in
different songs and we collected all together, she will go
from very low to very high in the same song.

(51:17):
She's her voice is so nuanced. She worked her ass
off to get her voice to where it is. She
already was a naturally very talented singer, as you can
hear in her rendition of There's No Way to hud
when she pushed my Love aside. She sings that like
Sandy's song from Grease. There's like a recording of her
singing when she was very young, and her.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Voice is sick.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Dude, it's so good. And that was before she had
all this training. I mean, she probably had a little
bit of training then, but after she performed at the
Grammys and got panned by that guy who she wrote
the song mean about, she did intense vocal training. And
this girl, if you I've done I do vocal training.
I know all the I look at Tiktoks constantly about singing.

(51:58):
She has perfect tongue placement, perfect mouth opening, perfect breathwork.
Like she you don't understand what doing that stuff is like.
It is like you know, like you have to control
so many different things and it's all mental right, like
you're it's so much work. She's now at a place
where she can just do it naturally, but to get
herself there with so much work, I can't even do it.

(52:20):
I'm a very hard work and I'm really struggling to
do it. So she's you know, she's next level and
her voice should not be fucked with. Like, no one
can talk shit about her voice. You literally don't have
a leg to stand on because it's incredible. And what
she does in this album with her voice, the nuance
and the emotion that she conveys, I don't I don't
give a fuck about comparing her to Beyonce or Ariana Grande. Honestly,

(52:42):
you can be a belter. You can have all this
range and all these different slides and like all these things.
It sounds great. It's so impressive. Especially looks impressive when
you move your mouth around and you go and you
put your hand on your ear. That's all performative. Taylor
could do that too. I guarantee you Taylor can do
it too. She doesn't do it because she doesn't need to.

(53:04):
And also, those women obviously are the best singers in
the world. But I find a lot more emotion in
Taylor's voice than I have in their voices. And that's
just my experience. People definitely feel differently, but that's the
way I feel. And good singing does not mean you're
just good at belting just because you're Leah Michelle doesn't
like it's it's all over the place. Bob Dylan's a

(53:25):
good singer, so shut the fuck up everyone, And I
know no one listening to those things Taylor supposed to
bad singer. I'm just talking into a fucking no.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
There was a TikTok or like an Instagram reel that
was like, yeah, she's like not a and it's not
even comparing her. It's like the way she sings is
so emotional and makes you feel so connected, and if
that's not the point of listening to music, then what
is I mean?

Speaker 1 (53:48):
So I say this because when she had she had
instruments in my mouth and she's talking to the dust
and she goes she says her range isn't very good.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
I don't her.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
And I literally have to.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
I go, it's it actually is really really impressive range.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
That woman didn't know what she's going on. And they
were like, are you a swifty?

Speaker 1 (54:04):
And I go, can you not tell by my hat
and sweatshirt and earrings?

Speaker 2 (54:08):
And they were like and.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Then the dental hygienist ended up being a major swifty.
I kind of like asked her a little more questions.
I'm like, bitch, what not bitch bitch lovingly because you're
probably listening. But I was like, wait, why didn't you
stand up to this woman because she's a client, Like
you can't you can't be like, actually, she's a even
though I would and I'd get fired right away. By
the way, I do have torture poets merch. I got
my sweatshirt, black sweatshirt, I got my I got earrings,

(54:32):
which I'm obsessed with, their studs that say TTPD and
then I got a hat and which I love as well.
And let me just tell you, thank you, Taylor Swift
dot com. You have stepped up the merch. This sweater
on honest or this sweatshirt. I got a sweater for
nor who's Canadian. It seriously got so many compliments this weekend.
My boyfriend, who is like obsessed with aesthetics and obsessed

(54:53):
with sweatshirts especially, and like the vibe of them was
like he thought it was like Balenciaga. It's it's such
a nice like it's and it's so nice. I'm never
watching it because I just don't want it to lose.
I've been just tied penning it constantly. But she really
stepped up her merch. I think she read the complaints
about like fading things and like, and I don't think

(55:14):
we're paying more for it. I think she is probably
taking a hit to make better, better made stuff. Because
this this batch of merch was incredible and these earrings
are amazing, and I'm dying to get the bracelet. I'm
gonna get the necklace, and I want to get the shorts.
I want it all. I want it all. Did you
get anything you were like on stage right when it
dropped or something.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
I'm so sad. I was literally.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Sucks, I know, right when it drops.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
I know, and I wasn't paying attention to my food.
I was literally on stage for twenty minutes.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
And then there's like I don't know, like I don't know,
just like sit down, watched a little bit of the
comic after me.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Uh, because like, as a comic, you want to.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Say, this is an argument to be addicted to your
phone because you're going to miss these drops and you
can't you can't get anything. Yeah, you can get the
bracelet in the extra large right now. I can't do that.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
No.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Even there was this really incredible jacket, the black jacket.
Did you see that there was this jacket that had
two patches on it. You could put the patches wherever,
and that was sold out too.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Damn it.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
No, it was back to the song.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Yes, uh, my.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Bed sheets are ablaze. I've screamed his name. The giving
into the moons? Where's the moones? Thing? Giving way to
labored breath? Labor breath is orgasm like, it's just it's
so good, I can't I choose you and me.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Religiously, there's a lot of our religious.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Stuff going on, very false Gattie right from Lover.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Oh, yeah, it really is.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
But I will say there's a lot of Catholic imagery
that comes up later on. And I was like, is
Joe Catholic? And he indeed is, And so I think
we need to look into that a little bit. I
think remember when she went to that funeral and she
was like caught on a camera like on zoom like people,
there's a tiny camera of her and she's resting her
head on his is his uncle's funeral and his uncle

(57:05):
was like this like kind of high up in the
Catholic church. So he's Catholic. So I think there's I
think there's someone should make a link to that. Hey,
swifty Besties. One more commercial break, here we go. Okay,
let's move on to Who's afraid of Little Old Me?

(57:26):
Which is climbing my ranking so so much. I mean
I am late to this. Everyone was on board with
Who's afraid of Little Old Me from the get go.
How are you feeling about it?

Speaker 3 (57:35):
It's in my top five for sure? Okay, yes, it's
number two for me.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
So this is like, is it about Kim? Is it
about like.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
The scandal was contained, the bullet had just grazed it
all costs. Keep your good name. You don't get to
tell me you feel bad. I mean, this is about
someone in the industry. This is about her talk like
her beeping from the gallows and levitating down the street,
crashing the party like a record scratch as I scream
Who's afraid of Little Old Meat? I mean, if you

(58:07):
don't know that is a reference to like a witch
being like Who's afraid of Little Old Me? It's like
she's again being this like I'm lurch I'm a monster
lurching towards your favorite city. It's like putting Taylor in
this kind of like goblin esque like imagery of her
being like ah and everyone's like kind of scared of her,
And then I love the turn of you should be,
because who's afraid of little me? Is a sarcastic thing,

(58:28):
like who's like it's kind of saying it, like are
you a scared of little old me?

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Like?

Speaker 2 (58:33):
And then her being like you should.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Be is like really creepy and really fun. And I
was tame. I was gentle till the circus life made
me mean. Okay, so she's admitting she is mean. She
can be mean sometimes because guess what, her life is
fucking crazy and no one else live or dead really
can compare their lives to her. I mean maybe Michael
Jackson at one point, you know, like it just there's

(58:57):
it's just her. The circus, the industry has made her
who she is. We took out all her teeth. I mean,
who took out our who took out our teeth? I'm
wondering what that is.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Well, at first it was the record labels, who are like,
you can't be political, right, you can't say anything about
Polico yep. So it's like the muzzle that they put
on her that she said she removed, and I remember
reading on like you know that serious XM channel that
she has that. This is a song about how society
treats its artists, like what we do to them, we
make them. We love to see them in pain because

(59:32):
we want to see the art that they make when
they are in that state.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
Yeah, I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
That it's that, you know, it's probably a little bit
of that, Like I don't there's there's a sick part
of me that's like, oh Taylor went through this breakup,
Oh my god, I can't wait for the album.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
We all have that a little bit of that in us.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
It's I think it's like we just like to see.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
We are all so miserable. We like to see people
that we think are golden and have it so perfect.
We like to see them suffer too, and it makes
us feel less bad about not being as successful as
they are. Like I think we like we build people
up because we love to look at someone who's so
glamorous in who we can kind of fantasize about having
their life. But ultimately we are so jealous of them.
We want to take them. We just we don't want

(01:00:12):
them to be happy because we're so jealous, Like why
can't that be me?

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
At least?

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I that kind of resonates with a really dark part
of my soul. Right, but I love the bridge, so
tell me everything is not about me?

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
But what if it is?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
You know, I heard some complaints in some you know,
I was listening to some review that was negative, and
I'm sorry I even gave it a view.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
But.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
It was saying like how how Like it was kind
of making fun of her for saying this, of like
you're such a narcissist, like you know, but she kind
of admits. First of all, she admits to being a narcissist. She's,
uh my, did you hear my covert narcissism? And then
she says it again in You're losing me? I would

(01:01:00):
maybe me either a pathological people, please are you know,
kind of like giving into those narcissist vibes of like,
there's something wrong with me a little bit at this party.
I'm the best thing at this party. By the way,
you definitely are tailor, there's no question. But I love
that line. I love it because it also hearkens my god.

(01:01:24):
I love how every lyric of hers I'm like, oh,
it reminds me of this other one of you're on
your own kid, of like you know, as search the
party of better bodies and realized.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
My feelings aren't rare, or you know, you didn't care.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
But guess what when she's saying everything is not me
or they said they didn't do it to hurt me,
but what if they did? Everything kind of is about her,
Like she's not crazy to read into things absolutely, and
it gives me a little validation to read into her
lyrics as much as I do, because I feel like
I'm the person that's like, but what if this is

(01:01:59):
about this?

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
This isn't about Maddie, But what if it is?

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Like it's okay for me to actually go there too, Like, yeah,
it's not And I can read all into it all day.
She's kind of like giving us a little shout out here,
I think, or at least empathizing with us making these
wild assumptions. Yeah, and you wouldn't less an hour in
the sylum that they raised me.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
Oh that one killed me. That line.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
It's like all the young female well you sent me
a really great text that a friend sent you, which
is like, what if this is about Olivia Rodrigo, right,
And it's like all Olivia and all these other young
female singers would not last an hour in the like
toxic media landscape she had to come up in as

(01:02:44):
a young woman.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Which is so I think it's you don't know one
would you know? Like yeah, And you know, first of all,
a lot of women didn't didn't did come up in
this and didn't make it out. I mean, like we
know of Starlet's currently who are not doing well because
they came up in this asylum. And so you know,
Taylor is a very strong person. She's superhuman for sure,

(01:03:11):
mentally physically like someone you know. Her trainer just posted
about her workout and said anyone usually would do this
would throw up every time, and she just doesn't, you know,
like she really is. It's next level this girl. There's
really nothing she can't do. I truly believe that if
she wants to do, she could do anything she wants
to do. I hope she never tries to stand up.
I'll be so humiliated and how good she is at it,

(01:03:33):
but yeah, like she I loved that. Monica Lewinsky posted
a picture of the White House and wrote, you wouldn't
last an hour in the asylum where they raised me
under it and it's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
That went viral.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
This weekend and then she goes I think this is
where I was kind of thinking about Kim, because she's like,
I'll sue you if you step on my lawn. Then
I'm fearsome and I'm wretched and I'm wrong. Putting a
cart narcotics into all of my songs like she got
it kind of harkens to Thank You Amy, where it's
like I wrote a thousand songs that you think are
uncool and like, yeah, those things that people are.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Like, why does everyone like her so much?

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
What these like?

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
What's what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
What is people really are like? Is there something going
on that is more than the music? It's like, no,
it's just good. Why she didn't trick us in any way? Yeah,
that's so insulting to think that we like Taylor Swift
because she's like manipulating us or something. She is a mastermind,
So I mean, fine, manipulate me all day long.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
It feels real good.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
And here's the other thing, is like going back to
what you said of well, when she's going through a breakup,
we all know we're gonna have a good album. It's like, well,
she writes things that we're and she conveys emotions We're
not gonna get anywhere else in life. We're not gonna
go to a movie, we're not gonna listen to another
artist describe their feelings in the same way she does.
So it's just for like a breath of fresh air,

(01:04:54):
and it's relatable, and it's like, finally someone sees me
and sees what I'm going through and puts it in
such a lovely, melodically incredible song.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Yes, I love the song.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
It's probably gonna be one of my favorites at some point. Okay,
next up, I can fix him. No, really, I can.
I was not feeling this song at all to the
point where I like was every time it came on
it was a skip for me. It's too slow. I
need things that like get my fucking heart rate going.
I want to feel stressed out, I want to feel anxious.
It's too slow. Then someone really talked to me about
it and convinced me that I should get into it,

(01:05:31):
and I am probably halfway there. But it's it's it's
not it doesn't. It doesn't grip me the way that
it has other people. But I mad respect on this one.
How do you feel about it?

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
I love it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
I love it and I like that she's saying. It's
like a reply to everyone saying, oh this guy, your
dating is horrible. And when she said, but your good
Lord doesn't need to lift a finger, that line is incredible, right, And.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
I like that, Like, can we talk about that line
for second?

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
That tells me Taylor Swift is not religious because your
good Lord, Like it's not like she I'm sure she's spiritual,
but it it made me feel good that, like, because
I'm not someone who talks about the good Lord and
stuff like, it made me feel good that she's talking
about their good Lord.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
It does.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
It's not hers because our she would maybe say our
good Lord if she was buying into this like pray
for me bullshit. And I believe in prayer. I believe
in a higher power and stuff. But I feel like
Taylor's not like into you know, organized religion, and that
kind of that lyric saying your good Lord kind of
made me feel that. I don't know if she intended that,
but I love I love that line as well.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Yeah, and to me, it's also like you have God
on your side. Great, I don't even need God. I'm
gonna do it myself, like I know, how to fix
this man?

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Uh huh, and the narcissism coming out again, which she
definitely knows what she's saying here, which is like she
gets to it, No, maybe I can't, And boy does
she wait to hit that tee on the cant at
the very end. I've listened to it so much because
it she must have. She probably did it in one take.
But that is a masterful that she does. Not just no,
really I can't, like she goes can't. Yeah, but it

(01:07:15):
doesn't sound like she's trying to hold it. It's just perfect.
But I love how she goes on a six lade
tix is ow way like I love it, like you know,
the western drawl she's getting into. And then I also
love his hands so calloused from his pistols, softly trace
his hearts on my face for that For a second
he was tracing hearts with his pistol, and I was like,

(01:07:36):
that is so fucking crazy, but then obviously not and
then yeah, I uh, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Dopamine she's talking about, which is that's uh, yeah, she's
a dopem She chases dopamine too clearly.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Let's move right along to love of my life. Lo
oml is really what the title is called. I love
the song so much. It's so sad, it's uh yeah,
it's just it's so great. It gripped me right away.
It's a slow song, but it's just so sweet. And uh,
I think it's about I think it's about m I

(01:08:15):
really do I think that. And people and I've seen
all of these lists of like this is about Jay,
this is about em And I'm like, no, like you're
getting these wrong. This is this is about em because
mister steel your girl, then make her cry talking rings
and talking cradles. I mean, I'm sure Joe talked about
that stuff with her, but something counterfeit is dead. I

(01:08:39):
don't think we were getting anything about Joe being counterfeit.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
No, And remember how I texted you about Glitch. Glitch
has the word counterfeit in it, and Glitch is about him.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
And Glitch is about why do we know that Glitch
is about him?

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Again, She's like, you don't live in my part of
town because he lives in London, like and you know,
and then situationship I'm in or depending what's in my system.
It's like there have been in a ten year long situationship,
and I think there's been a glitch. We were only

(01:09:13):
supposed to be friends. Now I'm fascinating myself.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
I found another one.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
What nights just so storry? And then she goes, I
thought I was better safe than Starry. I'd we're getting
Starry twice, both in glitch and this. Yes, I love
it's just you low down boy, you stand up guy.
I like that, she says, stand up. I feel like
it's the same feeling I got when she said Saint Louis.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
I'm just like, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
You holy ghost, you told me I'm the love of
your life. Okay, when, oh my god, my favorite lyric
I think I just love. My favorite melody is Santa
Phile in Black and White. All those plot twists Dinah
might mister steel your girl then make her cry? But
then I love, oh god, where is it? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Where?

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
She says, what a bland goodbye?

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Woof?

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
And we we know he ghosted her. That's what we
at least we don't know this, but that's kind of
what we think. A bland goodbye that makes me think
of ghosting and just the bland goodbye.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
She's so disappointed.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Her her voice is just conveys so much disappointment, and
just like, what the fuckness in this song?

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
I love it so much.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
I'll never leave never mind like she's coming through all
the lies. It's just so good. And then let's finish
this pod on. I can do it with a broken heart.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Oh what a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
This is my number one right now, the bop of
the whole album. Yeah, you know, it's giving us the
beats per minute that we need. And it gets chaotic
at the end. It turns into like a fun house
Like I'm looking at the chords to play it on
the guitar and it just changes into chords you've never
even like see sharp major seventh and I'm just like,
I can't even like. The song gets so insane at

(01:11:03):
the end. But I love this song so much. Obviously
it's about performing when she was feeling sad. It's obviously
something that I sensed when I went to Aristur in
June and July. I even said it on my podcast.
There is like evidence to prove that I definitely thought
she was a little bit sad during before she met
Travis and post June early June break up with Maddie,

(01:11:26):
and even probably when before Mattie even though I think
she jumped kind of right into Mattie after Joe. I
would just guess, because I think he was kind of,
you know, on deck.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
They were already dating. By by April eighth, when the
news broke that she and Joe had broken up, she
and Maddie had already been dating.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Yeah, yeah, so she which is a very common thing.
There's no part of me that's like, wait, what, how
did you go to him so fast? Yeah, because that's
what happens when relationships and you find something else. My
old therapist used to say, sometimes you just need another
lily pad to get you get out of the thing
that otherwise you'll stay forever. Some people need it. Doesn't
make you a bad person, you just need it. So

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if by any chance, she was talking to Maddie at
the end of her relationship with Joe, usually relationships do
not end until they've actually been dead for kind of
like a couple months at least, So I don't fault
anyone for finding people in that those months where people
it's dead beforehand. I know it's not on paper a
good thing to do, but I literally don't care at
all when people do it. It's what they need to
do to leave. It's too hard to leave someone, so like,

(01:12:29):
I have no judgment if that's what happened. I'm not
saying that's what happened. I literally have no clue, but
I will say that there was no lily Pad after
Matt Maddie jumped out, and then we had about a
month and a half before she I think got into
it with Travis and he you know, made the friendship
placelets and everything. But this song, I just love watching
the lyric video for it on YouTube that she made

(01:12:50):
because it's just all footage from eras and it's really
well done. I recommend it. It's like a music video
for it because it's not like repeating the same thing
as most of her lyric videos do, and it's just
all like these classics.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
I haven't watched that. I'm gonna watch that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Yeah, it's not it's not like just repeating the same
you know, you know, fucking grass by a Lake swaying
back and forth, which I love her lyric videos, no shade,
but this one has different footage the whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
It's really fun.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
And yeah, I mean, who doesn't really, I think everyone's
been like Nikki, you must relate to the song so much,
And yes I do, because I perform with a broken
heart a lot, and not just broken heart, just like
depressed or like whatever things. But this and and this
reminds me of that moment in the Katy Perry documentary
where Russell Brand breaks up with her and she's about
to go out to perform for sixty thousand people in Brazil,
like it's like a big, big show, and she's just

(01:13:44):
like crying in the wings, like under the stage, and
then all of a sudden, she like comes up in
the lights and she's got like these swirling like whipped
cream on her tints, and it's just so funny. But
she's like crying with this ridiculous outfit on and then
she just like lights up. It is like you know,
California Girls or what. And she can do it with
the broken heart. So some people have put that song
over that moment, which I thought was really funny. Yeah,

(01:14:06):
but yeah, this is she's don't worry about her. She
can She'll always be able to give us the show,
you know what I would have. I just want to
know if she's able to like forget about her broken
heart when she's up there, Like does the adrenaline make
her have a really good time, because I do believe
she's having a great time, but that doesn't And as
a performer myself, when I'm really depressed and going through something,

(01:14:28):
I think the adrenaline will take me out of it.
Especially when I'm in shoe pain. My shoes will hurt
so much off stage. I walk on stage for an
hour and a half, they do not hurt at all,
and then the second I step into the wings, they
start fucking throbbing like I have to kick them off violently.
And just two minutes, two seconds before, I was like,
didn't feel them at all. So you can numb out

(01:14:49):
on stage and have a really good time. I wonder
if she's able to do that or if she's just
truly faking it the whole time.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Yeah, I mean I can't tell, that's the thing. The
only times I can tell is when she does the
surprise songs and then we see a bit of emotion there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Oh, and then we see it breakthrough.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Yeah, like when she sang what's that song she has
with Zade Malick.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
I was there for that song?

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Yes, oh yeah, that one. Yeah, we all know it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
The emotion she's in the green dress and it's like
she's gonna cry.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
So think that one was probably June or July post
Matthie Poor Travis, because I was there and that was
like the month I was going a ton and yeah, okay,
so we're let's finish on this. I have some questions
from besties that I thought we could have just address.
People wanted to hit these topics. Someone said, we need

(01:15:52):
you to go through every album now, Yes, we totally
want to do that. Someone said, how does Taylor have
this many feelings for Mattie Healy if they dated for
like two months. I think we all know the answer
to that. It's like, I mean, I I could write
so many songs about the two week thing that I
went through because it was just so heightened and it
went away so fast, and it was so disruptive.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
It was like it's like a car crash.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Car crashes happened in like zero point two five seconds,
and the immense damage can be done. But and you know,
we got lover out of her love for Joe, and
we got a lot of good love songs. But the
there's just something, you know, I think it makes sense
if you've been through it. I think everyone's talked about

(01:16:37):
the sad nauseum online, but of course short things are
going to bring illicit more emotions than long, steady, secure things.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
And over so many songs, she said it was like
a meteor rise, and she's felt that she's never felt
that before that one thing with him, and we know
that it was a ten year thing, and she kept
going back to him and comparing everyone she dated, that
little stint she had dating him in twenty fourteen, and
I it's the same thing. It's like, we can all
relate to someone who, like you, felt so many emotions

(01:17:09):
with it, went over it and died quickly. But it
doesn't mean that it wasn't meaningful or didn't, like you know,
mean as much.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Honestly, it's just and again it doesn't matter it just
because it did, because it was more. It just stirred
up more emotions, because that's just sometimes there's not an explanation.
Because it did, I can't help my feelings. I would
also say that, like, you can't help what you feel
if you don't understand that yet, Like you really need
to go to therapy because it helped. It took me
so long to figure out that my feelings weren't wrong

(01:17:41):
that you literally have. Yeah, people try to go like,
why do you feel that way?

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
I don't really care about people's opinions about my feelings anymore.
If I cry, I could. I get embarrassed some times,
if I cry, if I get upset, if I get
angry about something, but I'm not I can't help them.
I'm not choosing to be sad right now. I'm not
choosing to be depressed. I'm not like, no one would
choose that. So you got you gotta really understand you
can't help your feelings. It's not you can't help your thoughts.
There's not something you're in control of, so stop trying

(01:18:09):
to analyze it and stop trying to make yourself feel
bad about why you feel this. Why did I feel
so strongly about this guy that was only two weeks?
Because you did, and because you're not in control up there, whatever,
your feelings are not in your control. If they were,
we would all be a lot like more secure and
steady in our lives.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
But they're just not.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
And the Taylor doesn't have control over them either. Okay,
so someone said, we'll get to the prophecy. How do
you think this will fit into the Aras tour and
this was written. These questions were written before obviously the
Easter egg came out. In her video, her reel this
Weekend or on her stories, we saw a torture to

(01:18:48):
poet's department, thing on like a railing. I have to say,
I think she's going but Daddy, I love him, little
old me, No I can do with a broken heart
would be hilarious. Yes, for her to sing at Eras,
but I think she might go there. And I think
my boy breaks is only his toys. What songs do
you think? I think she's going with kind of my
top three or four?

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Well there was. She added four or five songs from
Tortured Poets to those Apple Music playlists, so people are
saying that those songs that she added could be the
ones that she's playing. I think she'll play Fortnite because
it's the lead single, my boy only breaks his favorite toys.
I think she'll sang down bad but Daddy, I love him, and.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
Hold on? Was there one more I can do?

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
It would be really fun.

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
Yes, yes, those are my prediction.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Someone said so high school guilty oft in what other
songs are about? Travis guilty est In is not about Travis.
It's about Maddie. Yeah, I would bet everything on that.
I think Alchemy is about Travis. Is there any debate
about that?

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
Nor? Not that I know. No. I think it's been.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Touched down let me she says touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Let's yes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
And the trophy I don't know the yeah in the
trophy and then the end of but Daddy, I Love
Him is also about Travis.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
As we covered on last time's episode.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Do you think we are getting a third version of
this album on May third?

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Nor?

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
I don't know, Nikki. I know I'm supposed to have
an opinion. I'm just so scared of this woman in
her mind and what she puts us through that I
think something is gonna happen on Friday, May third. I
just don't know what it is. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
I think so because this girl knows no limits and
there is we have not still gotten the acceptance part
of the Stages of Grief. Someone had written that out
and was like, there's no acceptance part.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
I think I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Can't imagine that she's written more songs. But yes, I can,
of course she has.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
It just doesn't feel like all the evidence that people
are presenting does not seem overt enough, and Taylor is
not She's cryptic, for sure, but I think that some
people read into things a little too much and she's
not that cryptic, Like she's not like everyone should be
able to break the codes that she's doing, and some
people are going really hard. I'm like, but there's a
picture of her with him, and there's three of them,

(01:21:23):
so that means there's a third. I'm like, no, I
just don't see that kind of stuff. So I'm hoping
I'm fingers crossed that there's more because I would just
love for people to be like so like more, really
like people who don't like her to just be like
more because they're so jealous that they could never do
what she's doing, which is put out three albums like
they're just everyone's so anyone who talks about her is

(01:21:45):
so fucking jealous, do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
And I like seeing people get upset.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
What are the chances that'll be a reputation re record
on Friday?

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
That's a good chance.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Although I don't think she would like lump this at like,
let's give this why would she given take away this
moment from this album? It's just came out right. I
want her to wait on that because I want to
have fun with that. You know, it's a even though
this album does really remind people of reputation a lot,
and we kind of be staying with similar themes.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
I'm guessing, but I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
I just I can't take it. Someone just asked, what
is the most part of the I can do it
with the broken Heart? What lyric resonates with you the most?
Do you feel this way too? You get depressed? You
can perform with press.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
I'm so depressed diect like it's my birthday every day?

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Okay, what do you What do you think about that lyric?
What does that mean to you?

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
It means you're so it's living with depression but having
to go on stage and make people laugh and live a.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
Life and be on social media.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
But what does the birthday part mean?

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Like, is she acting like it's a birthday to get
out of depression or is she acting like it's a
birthday because she has to perform and that looks like, oh,
it's my birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Yes, it's that one right, yes exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
That's what people I think are confused about about that. Lyric,
and I want to actually say I agree with that.
When you are performing, everyone's looking at you, everyone's admiring you,
You're all dressed up, and it does feel like your birthday.
That's why I don't like to celebrate my birthday because
I get it so often. That's why I don't like.
I don't want a wedding. I don't want I don't

(01:23:15):
like parties that aren't like me performing because I'm like,
I don't deserve this. I didn't I'm not doing anything
so and every night does feel like my birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
I get so much attention.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
So I think that's what she's talking about when she
says I act like it's my birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
It could be her.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
She really likes birthdays though, so it could be her
being like trying to get her out of it, like, Okay,
I'm trying to act like it's my birthday every day,
but I think it's for me I at least relate to.
I have to put on a dress and get all
gussied up, the way I see girls on Instagram do
only on their birthdays or special occasions when the girls
are going out. I had to do that three times
a week, yes, and say Hi to everyone, and like,

(01:23:51):
oh my god, welcome to my party, which is a great,
great thing to do, and it's so much fun because
who doesn't want us to be the birthday three days
a week? But that is what I think that is.
And because I'm miserable and nobody even knows, I love that.
I don't relate to that because people do know I'm
miserable because I talk about it a lot, And now

(01:24:11):
we know that Taylor is miserable. So like, I think
this is a little bit reminds me of Thank You, Amy,
where it's like she's saying a thing that we maybe
used to assume but now we definitely know, Like where
she's saying, like your daughter will come home and sing
a song that only you and I know is about you,
and it's like, no, everyone knows now, But I think
previously that lyric would have been true. When she wrote
it, it was true, but now that it's out, it's no

(01:24:32):
longer true.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
We do know now now we can.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
I still think she'll be able to hide being miserable
and we'll all assume she's doing great because she's so good.
But I related to that as well, and I'm so
obsessed with him, but he avoids me. That is crazy
that she could be obsessed with someone and they avoid her.
I mean, it's just that doesn't make you feel seen
as a woman who's he felt like kind of ghosted
or like been like he won't write back to me.

(01:24:57):
Taylor Swift is like looking at her text being like
when is he writing me back? I and getting these
dopamine hits when she does see his name, like she's
just like.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
Us, yes exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
I liked so hard when I was at Eras in
Melbourne because I was with my friend who we were
you know, we were all gushing about Travis, and at
one point she like, you know, Taylor left the stage
to transition to the next era, and my friend was like,
do you think she's backstage texting Travis like it's going
really well? Which makes me laugh so hard because like
when is it not going well for her? But like

(01:25:26):
can you imagine her like someone handing her phone and
she's like, we're just about to get to speak now,
it's going really great, like like like like I would
about something I was doing one time, you know, Like
It's just that made me laugh so hard to picture
her going like it's going so well tonight, even though
I do this fucking three times a week and I've
never once stumbled, and when I did, it was the
cutest stumble ever. Like, I like those the Errors Tours

(01:25:49):
compilations because they're so adorable.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
She fucking never fucks up.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
When she does, she just like says like my space
instead of my face, and everyone's like whoa. It's like
I she's just so flawless. Even her errors are like
spot on and perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
I've watched that video like maybe a hundred times the
MySpace and then she giggles yeah and the dancers giggle.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Oh, And I've watched the first time she did uh
he's he's on the guy on the Chiefs coming straight
home to me. Like each of the dancers like sees
her doing like realize, like hears it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
And goes like oh shit, and they like, I'll react.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
That is such a fun one to watch too. Yeah,
And when she like I hate watching her fuck up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
I just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
I don't enjoy. I literally kind of avoid them if
I can. I don't want to see her, you know,
step over words or whatever. And she never does. But
there's that one where she's like, I keep this sut
and she does that like sidestep and she slips because
it's like raining and it's so cute and she fixes
it perfectly and she just like kind of laughs at
herself and it's just so cute. And then when her

(01:26:52):
fucking heel fell off and she's walking around like it's
still on, no one even noticed. That was amazing. And
she threw that heel into the audience. I can't believe
that heel hasn't surfaced and someone hasn't made like a
video with it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
But we got to go, okay, just so he does.
He does, and he's never selling it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
Oh good, I've never seen it. Okay, you got to
send me that. Yeah, everyone, thank you for listening to
this one. If you made it this far, you are
true swifty. Keep sending me, you know, reels and memes
that you see on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
I love when you guys DM me those.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
I don't always have the time to watch them all,
but I love any kind of Taylor Swift thing that
you might you think that I might not have seen.
Same with Nor follow Nor and oh you are h
A d I d I Nora Hadid on Instagram. Thanks
so much, Nor we'll we'll pick back up where we
left off and continue on the next episode with the
smallest man who ever lived.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
We'll see then.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
This was the Taylor Swift Gushfest, Part two.