February 23, 2021 • 43 mins
He drove her insane as Kevin in the accountant’s corner, but in real life Brian and Angela Kinsey (Angela Martin) are the very best of friends. After reminiscing about the time they both almost got fired for ruining a take, Angela talks about her first love (improv), Sprinkles the cat, and trading in her old Chevy Blazer for a Hummer limo to Scranton.
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My name is Angela Kinsey and I played Angela Burton.
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Hello everybody out there in podcast land. Welcome back to
the Office Deep Dive. I am your host, Brian bond Gartner. Today,
as you just heard, you will be listening to my
conversation with Angela Kinsey. Now, let's get something straight. Kevin
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made Angela Martin crazy back in the accountants corner throughout
the entire run of the Office. But I am very
happy to report that Angela Kinsey and I actually became
very good friends on the set of the Office and
we are still great friends to this day. Thankfully. Um
but we actually met many years before the office. However,
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neither of us remembers it. Okay, So when Angela and
I were in college, Angela went to Baylor, I went
to s m U Hail to the Red and the Blue. Um.
We had the same spring break and one year we
both separately went to Acapulco, Mexico. Random, I know, but
at some point during that trip we ended up in
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the same cab, like the the same van cab with
a bunch of other people. And long story short, many
years later, back in our little corner, we figured out
that we met on that night in the cab in Acapulco, Mexico.
Even though, like I said, neither of us have any
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memory of it. Um. But luckily for your listening pleasure today,
we do have a lot of great memories from our
ten years working together on the Office. We truly were Angela,
Oscar and I. We were the stars of our own
show over in the accountant's corner. Let me tell you
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it was a great show. At least we thought it
was a great show. Anyway, Please welcome my bestie Angela Ckenzie.
I love it. Villu Squiger Bubble and Squiger Cookie. Every moment,
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lift over from the nut be Oh you are coming,
How are you? I'm good? How are you? God? How's
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your family? I'm waiting for my Christmas car. Everybody's good.
Oh it was while ago. Oh no, I think I
got it. I'm glad it was so memorable. Hi guys,
Oh my god, I'm so low, so low. I think
that's more about your height. Hey, Jenna was just in
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that chair and had no issues. Well, she's taller than
I am. All right, I do this for a living.
You know what is going on? This is a mic
of fun. You know it occurs to me. We have
you and I do this all the time together all
the time. Are we already recording? I think it's gold
is going to happen. We're always paired together to do
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like press and always satellite tours. And because we're good together, Bud, Yes,
we are, we are. How are you good? You look good?
You have like a snazzy sports jacket. I'm wearing us.
I dressed up for you. Thank you. I like the
mood lighting. I like what you've done with the room.
Kind of got a sexy vibe. This is my first
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day in this room. Like we could be in a
lodge maybe like in Vegas, a Vegas lodge. Well, they
made it, they made it feel like home for me. Um. Well,
I'm happy to be here, Brian. I'm happy that you're here.
It's fun to go back and talk about this really fun.
I mean, Jen and I are having so much fun.
But I I know, we knew it was a great show,
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that we were part of something special. But getting to
watch it again and I'm watching it now with like
no agenda. I hit the mic, You're a professional. I'm
not agenda is the wrong word. But I'm watching it
now just as an audience, Like I'm not thinking about like,
oh did I get my line right? Or you know,
I'm just watching it as an audience and I'm just
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loving it and I'm just like a man, we got
to do that. Do you remember I'm going to go
out of order here, But do you remember when we
were almost fired? You mean you mean which time? The
time with kin Koppits, at the time when we made
Oscar tell a story really loud under the window where
we had Oscar. Oscar gets really animated and he gets
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worked up and he's kind of like a very passionate storyteller. Yes,
all right. So to set this up, show is brand new.
We get hired and we're out in the parking lot
and we are we are supporting casts. We are not
a big ticket item on the show. We are easily replaceable.
And Oscar starts telling a story very loudly, very loudly.
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We were This is when he kind of blames me.
We were sort of standing over in the sun and
I'm like, guys, let's go stand in the shade. And
I scooched us up against the wall of the building,
apparently right under a window where they were filming. And
then Oscar continues the story and he goes Kinsey almost
got me fired because she's like, Oscar up here. He
came down loudly under the window. We got yelled at.
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Ken Koppas himself leaned out the window our director and said, hey, guys,
could you can you keep it down? We're trying to
film here. We're like, oh my god, here, I have
to say what I learned really quickly that moment is
the fight or flight and all of us Oscar, I
don't know if he meant to deer in headlights. He
stepped out and looked up my ass, hugged the wall.
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I made myself so small I touched into a shadow.
I don't think Ken saw me. I think he just
saw oscar. You went flat up against a dumpster. Probably
I was like I can like stepped out and was
like okay, and then he was like, um, okay. Two
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thousand and three, Yes, before anything related to the Office happened,
What were you doing, oh Man? Two thousand and three.
I was working at Improv Olympic Theater and I performed
there anytime they'd give me stage time, so usually about
three nights a week I did improv. Um. I was
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in a show with Kate Flannery who ended up playing
Meredith on the Office, and Kate Walsh, Laura Kraft. Really
hilarious people were on this show. Rich Fulture was our
only guy, and the name of the show was Girl
Team Balls, Girl Team Balls performing three nights a week. No, no, no,
That was one of the shows I was in. It
was like Sunday nights at like ten o'clock, which is
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like really when you want to see comedy. And then
I had like a few other improv shows I was doing.
I was all in it. It was like my life.
I know, Brian's nodding at me like nerd little bit.
But so you're doing improv Olympic and working. I'm working
at the theater and I'm performing there and then auditioning. Yeah,
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auditioning like every little thing I could do. I had
a bunch of national commercials. Those were the days where
you could get a big national commercial and it would
like you would make a nice income, especially like I
just had a tiny, little one bedroom apartment. It's not
like any big checks. Um. I had a Chevy Blazer
that my parents had helped me buy out of college.
That Chevy Blazer made it until about oh gosh, around
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Booze Cruise. I was driving back from Long Beach and
I made a left and my right tire made right,
rolled right through the intersection. Oh my god. Um, and
now did you know about the British Office? Of course
I was a huge fan. You're a huge fan. I
thought it was amazing. But you know, I grew up
with a lot of British television because I grew up overseas,
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and um, that was like I grew up on faulty
towers and good neighbors and all these kind of sense
of humor really appealed to me, okay, so you get
called to audition. Well, actually I knew Greg Daniels at
the time. I was related to Greg by marriage. You
guys know that out there, right. I've talked about it
um and I mean, I just loved Greg. He was
so supportive of my career. He would come to my
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improv shows. I look back on it now, Brian, and
I know you you do too, because you have kids.
They probably had to get a babysitter coming to my show,
like I. But when you're in your twenties, you don't
think of that. You're like, I have an improv show
at Tanna Clack on Sunday. But now I think about
it and I'm like, what, like it takes to get
out to get to someone's whatever it is. So he
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was always so supportive, and he was going to be
doing the remake and he said, you know, this is
when you should come in for you should this is
kind of in your wheelhouse. And I was like, okay,
and I was nervous. I was nervous about what that
looked like in the USA because I loved the British
version and I was like, oh no, are they gonna
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But I knew if anyone could do it would be
Greg because he's he is just brilliant, he really is.
And so you get the call and you go, is
there anything specifically you remember about the day you went
into audition. You were auditioning, not for Angela. I was
auditioning for Pam. I remember it very very well because
before I went in, Greg said, Angela, that sounds kind
of funny saying this. Um, He's like, I am not
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going to acknowledge you. Okay, like we don't know each other,
he said, trust me on this. If they just think
you're they're just like anyone else, it's going to serve
you better. He goes, I know you can do this.
You know you can do it. I am not going
to in any way let them know that I know
you and you don't do the same. So I was like, okay,
got it. And you don't meet My poker face is horrible.
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So you walk in and you're like, hi stranger, Hi Greg, Um.
But no. I walked in and there was a room
full of people as a producer session. He was in
the back corner, and UM, I wore a like a
pink turtleneck and my hair sort of half up, half down,
and I had really worked on the scene. I felt
really good about it and it was going great. I
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was reading with Phyllis and there's a moment when Michael
fake fires Pam in front of Ryan the Timp, and
it's such a jerk move right, and Pam calls him
a jerk. She starts to cry and she calls him
a jerk because you kind of realized that as crappy
as this job is, she probably needs this job. And
when Phyllis as Michael fake fires me, I look up
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and I called her a jerk, but I guess I
was like jerk. Like everyone started laughing, and I remember
in my mind thinking, like I don't think I'm supposed
to have laugh right there, So you got a laugh
on the jerky I got a laugh on the jerk line.
But every it was like everything was going great. I
walked out there, Greg really like close to his chest,
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gave me like where no one could see, like a
big smile of thumbs up, which you know, I was
like on cloud nine, and I felt great about it.
I walked out there, I was like whoo, and then
I didn't get it um and like that was that,
And you know, you go into your next audition. I
had an audition for a pilot for the Oxygen Channel.
Do you remember the Oxygen Network. I was a big
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star on I bet you were, but I bet you
crushed it over there. It was a pilot that was like, um,
an improv pilot, kind of like Curb your Enthusiasm before Curb.
And they got these phenomenal improv actors and I had
auditioned for it and got it, and they were flying
me to New York and I thought I was so
fancy getting flown first class to New York. We filmed
in the village and I was like, Oh, this one's
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the one going like this is happening. I played the
slutty receptionist, perfect perfect um. And then two months went by.
I was waiting to hear about that and I got
a call saying, you know that show the Office, they
really liked you. They just thought you were a little
too feisty for Pam and they were like this this
woman is like like she works in accounting and she's
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sort of stuffy. She doesn't really have anything nice to
say about anybody. And then they said, when you come
back in, just really downplay your looks, like you know,
this is a very drab accountant and a paper company
in sacram So I read with Kim Koppas and it
was like one line and I'll never forget it because
he said, um, well, Angela, you know how he talked, Well, Angela, Yeah,
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you made a real meal out of that line. And
I was like, wait, is that good? I don't know,
do I want to make me a lot of that line?
But I felt really good about it. It It was the
scene that you and I ultimately do. And and then
I got a call that I got it, and I
couldn't believe it because it was like this thing that
I had let go. I was like, that's great. And
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then I remember thinking like, well, what about Salon Royale
the pilot I did for Oxygenlan Royal, And um, it
didn't go. Salant Royale did not go. So I went
from the slutty receptionist to the prickly accountant. What now?
What would have if Salant Royale had gone? I think
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I would you would not have been on the office. No,
and I would have been a lead. I would have
I would have thought, who I'm like one of the
leads of the Salon Royale. Yeah, I know, Well it
all worked out. Oh my goodness. So you did you
know anybody else that had been cast? You had worked
with some people? Yes, I knew Oscar Nuniez. We had
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done a sketch comedy show called Hot Towel. Hot Towel
sketch comedy shows. I'll have weird names because because you're
in your twenties and you think you're hilarious, hot towel
is hilarious. The hot towel they hand you like on
a plane, we were like that, let's be hot towel. Well,
I don't know because they had flown you first class,
had that experience, and you were like, oh, let's call
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it hot towel. Oh, it actually wasn't that would be perfect,
but it actually wasn't my idea. Um. So I knew
Oscar and then um Kate Flannery and I had done
improv together. Dave Keckner. I knew all the improv circles
you know. Um do you remember having any reaction with
Ben Silverman or Croppus Coappus. I loved, like right away.
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He was just amazing And I'll never forget our scene
when we did the pilot. It was the last shot
of the day. And we had had a long day
and I could tell Ken was done. He wanted to
go home, and he has this two line scene and
accounting he sends everyone home but us. We're over there
in the corner. You and I have been waiting all
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day for this moment. And I said my line, you
said yours, and he goes, okay, why you. First of all,
Ken doesn't say action, you know, he goes go in
and then you do your scene and he's like, you
know what, why don't you do it again? But like
give it half of that? Like, give it half of that.
So I say my line was like, well, if someone's
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gonna be fired, I yeah, it's probably gonna be me.
And he was like, yea, give it half of that.
I'm like, do I sound like some vaudeville commy? Am?
I like, if someone's going to be fine, I don't
prova maybe, Like I was like, give it half of that.
So I was like, someone's gonna be fired, It'll probably
be me, and he was like in one more less,
I'm like what? And then and then I remember you
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and I so I did I said it. I just
like gave it nothing right. And then he was like,
I think we got it, and then he left and
I turned you and I was like, are we going
to be fired? And You're like, I think we just
I think we're fired. I think we suck. Oh my gosh.
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Welcome out in the shoes. What do you remember that
was different about shooting in the pilot for the office
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than anything else you'd worked on before. Is there anything
different that you were met? Well? Sure, I mean there
were a few things. First of all, like the tone,
like just the fact that can like made us get
there early and do work. We were to go to
our desks and do work like we were filing papers
or typing something and sit in silence take a call
if you want to take a call. It was very
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method kind of go there and work on your desk,
and he just rolled b roll camera. And then also
like we had no marks, like the sort of um
the idea that you were on a TV show. It
didn't feel like that. It didn't feel like any other
set I'd been on. It almost was like I was
on a reality TV show and I had been miked
and told to go work in an office somewhere. Like
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the feeling of the crew, all of that was just
like it wasn't there. There were only like the crew
felt very small, like Skeleton Crew and all the other
shows you're on. It feels like a production, right, That's
very interesting. The idea that we didn't have marks right then,
In normal television shows they mark where you're supposed to
stand so the camera can capture you perfectly in your
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scene and focus walking up delivering your lines. And we
didn't have that this was a documentary, so the camera
was expected to find you wherever you happen to land. Yeah,
they would say, walk up to reception, and you're going
to deliver your lines at reception, and you know, Angela
you're going to stand over by the copier and Brian
you're going to stand over by the coat rack. But
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they didn't within three ft of that area. We could
roam around and do whatever we wanted. Right. Also, there
was no there was no missing wall right we were
in and in fact the pilot we shot in an
actual office space, right, and so the walls were not movable.
They had to truly work in the space they were in,
which I thought was great because it is a documentary.
They can't fudge that. They have to. Like if the
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walls there On other TV shows, they'd be like, well,
fly out the wall, move the wall, it's messing up
my shot. But this you had to work around it.
And I think like the camera finding you and if
it was blurry or a little bit, if they missed
you in and had to find you, all of that
was gold for this type of show because they didn't
want it to feel like a polish, polished network television show. Yeah,
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how do you feel like choosing Scranton to set the
space and what do you think that did for us? Well,
I think it grounded it and made it like any town, right,
It could be anywhere, so these things can happen anywhere
to anyone or just a normal town. I really liked that.
I also think that a lot of the shows skewed
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towards big cities, and um, I like seeing the smaller towns. Yeah,
I think that also. I mean you're right, but I
think also Greg taking it a step further and saying
we're going to create in any town by being as
absolutely true and specific as we can to this town,
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right and it It is one of the things that
doesn't make me sad if if you were going to say,
what are some regrets about filming The Office is we
never got to film an episode there on location. And
they tried, they really tried, but it was it's a
lot of moving parts to move a whole cast and
crew and set up for a week. But we tried
to do the St. Patrick's Day, remember the parade, and
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that would have been so cool. You know what's so
crazy is that Jenna said the same thing, and I said,
the same thing. It's one of my biggest regrets that
we never went there as a production. Now we all
went there, and it was I fell in love with
the place, so did you. I still think you should
have a bar there called Malons. You should have a
bar called Malons and Scranton. You and I were the
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first ones to go. We were yes, and then we
came back and we're like, you guys, you all have
to go. It's amazing. That is one of my favorite
weekends of my life. And that is you, guys, that
includes becoming a mother. Like that's how much fun this
weekend was. It was just a blast. First of all,
they sent a limo for us. Were in New York
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City doing press and I got in at first. They
picked me up first, and they were going to pick
up you. You guys, this is before you texted people.
This really dates us. But I had like a BlackBerry
and I was trying to tell Brian we were We
had arrived to pick him up, and I was like,
we're in a stretch limo that looks like a truck,
like an suv. It was, and they had it all
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this stuff in there because we were gonna then drive
to Scranton, and I was like, Brian, what is happening?
Where are we going? Yeah? I that first time in Scranton.
Actually you and I it was like we were the Beatles. Yeah.
We went up to a rooftop in Scranton because they said, oh,
a few people from the city want to meet you.
Love some drinks. We went up there and they were
like four thousand people on the roof and it was
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just me and you. Yeah, no, I know, yeah, And
then when we all went back, everyone was like, oh
my god. I remember ed Helms turned to me. He
wanted to go into this train store and we had
to go out in the back entrance because the store
had been surrounded by people, and he said, Ange, this
might be the closest will ever be to being a
Beatle um. So I've been talking to people a little
bit about creating their characters. Was there because your training
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was an improv Well, I did theater like all through
you know, high school and college. I did theater, but
my love and passion was improv and comedy and sketch comedy, right,
And so creating the character of Angela, did you? Was
there like a special sauce that you had about creating
her physically or well the way I dressed for my
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second audition. When I came back in for what would
end up being Angela, they asked me if I could
bring my own clothes to the pilot. I wore my
own clothes in the pilot. So yeah, I guess my
gray on gray that I what I had in my
closet ended up being a color scheme for her. Um.
I brought a photo of myself and my grandmother, Lena Mackenzie,
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and my eyes are closed in the photo and it's
a black and white picture, and I just thought it
was really funny that she would frame that it said
I Heart Grandma. And that's what I because Ken really
wanted us to decorate our workspace. And I put that
on my desk, and so, you know, I guess in
my mind I saw her as this sort of stuffy gal.
But she wasn't malicious. She just took work very seriously
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and she was here to do work. She wasn't there
for shenanigans, you know, And that's sort of how I
approached her. The one line Greg told me is she
probably doesn't have a lot of nice things to say
about everyone. And then I had a prop on my
desk that was a paper clip holder that was kind
of a big cat laying on its side. I still
have that to this day. So I thought like, well,
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I have this photo of me and my grandmother. Was
her grandma her best friend? I don't know, I have
this cat paper clip holder, I'm wearing all gray, and
I know she probably doesn't have a lot of nice
things to say, so that just sort of informed me.
I started to put her together and then you know,
in the pilot, I improvised the whole Sprinkles thing. Ken
Koppas wanted me to pass around papers in the background
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of a scene, and I asked him what what papers
said doesn't matter? And I doodled a little cat and
I said, you're invited to Sprinkles first birthday party. And
I sort of made it up that I'd found this
cat in the parking lot and I invited everyone but Jim.
I just figured Jim would have made fun of me
or something, and that was all stuff I was doing
on my own. You know, you saved the Sprinkles and
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posted I still have the Sprinkles posted not you gave
me the one that was on the partition when we wrapped.
You gave me that, and I like, I love it
so much. You kept it. No one else kept Kevin.
Kevin my my the person that drove me crazy. Ist
kept was sentimental in in a weird way. Um. Do
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you remember seeing the pilot for the first time? Yeah? Yeah,
what did you think of it? I thought it was
really funny. I thought it was really funny, and I thought, well,
maybe we have a chance. But for me, when I
really thought oh this is we've got something was Diversity
Day and that scene of all of us in the
(28:56):
conference room with those note cards on our forehead. I
was Jamaica, you know, and I think you do want
to stop it. You and I had that great scene. Um.
I remember looking around and being like, oh, this is
I'm not seeing this on TV right now. We're the
only people doing this here, and this feels really special. Yeah.
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And do you remember anything about getting the call that
the show was picked up for a series. I do.
I was. I mean, I I thought, oh my god.
My first thought was, well, I guess I could go
down to part time at the theater, like because I
just didn't know, Like nothing for me had ever stuck.
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And I remember being I was excited but being nervous
if it meant I should quit the other job. Did
you know that on the day Dr King was shot,
the old black security detail normally assigned to him was
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called off. They're who would not allow him to stay
at any hotel with balconies. That security union was reassigned.
There was a man there whom And did you know
that on the day Dr King was shot, two black
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firemen stationed across the street and one black police detective
who was surveiling King. We're all taken off the job.
What was the emergency that caused? Usually moved another fires?
Did you ever ask what this was all about? This
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finished the first season and then we come back for
season two. What do you remember that changed? Um hair
and makeup. The hair and makeup was like a like
if my my grandpa that used he used to like
try to make things with wood. The makeup area was
like someone who put a together a few pieces of
(32:55):
plywood and like clamped a light on it that looked
like an electrical hazard in the middle of an empty warehouse.
Season two, we had a trailer. You walked inside and
it was a hair and makeup trailer and there was
music playing and you sat in a chair and there
were lights, and then we moved to an actual sound
stage and then fourty year old Virgin, right old Virgin.
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That was the game changer for Steve and Jenna and
I have talked about this where we had this moment
where we're like, oh my god, our friends Steve is
gonna be like real famous, like real Dale famous. I
really felt like they were banking on Steve, and I
was like, Okay, I will attach myself to the Steve Wagon.
I'm banking on him too. I thought that that was
a really good sign. But I still wasn't confident. I
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mean I still was like when we finished those first
six because season one was just six, they printed our
names on pieces of paper and then laminated them and
put a piece of velcrow on the back and that's
what stuck to your door of your trailer. And I
went up to my ripped that, ripped it off, said
I'm gonna save that. That was fun because you were
(34:03):
sure it was done. I just didn't know. I mean,
they were putting so much at the time, NBC had
the show that was like our rival sort of show
that was this couple, and they were on every bus everywhere.
We weren't on any buses, we weren't anywhere. And I
was like, wow, the putting a lot of money on
those guys. Yes, there was not a whole lot of confidence.
(34:25):
But Kevin Riley, I was about to say, I knew
Kevin Riley was fighting for us, and I know that's
why when we ultimately won an Emmy, all you guys
lifted him in the air and that's the photo that
made the l a times because we all knew as
a cast. We stayed on the air because Kevin Riley
put his neck on the line for us. Right when
did you feel like we actually had security? I know
(34:46):
distinctly remember well. I remember getting an email that our
first Christmas episode had become the number one download on
iTunes and I was like what, and I said, oh,
that's it. Mom was getting rid for Chevy Blazer and
then I got a Honda. Um, yeah that that That
(35:08):
was a huge moment. And it's funny. Before that aired,
there was a moment that was very significant for you
and I, which was boost crews. Yes, when we finally
became series regulars. Yep, I found out I was going
to be a series regular. And there's a photo that, um,
I think Oscar took of Jenna and I when I
found out. We're jumping up in the air holding hands.
And I mean up until then, we were basically like
(35:29):
week to week. Like I remember in Halloween episode when
they were like, yeah, we're gonna actually fire one person,
We're all like, okay, Hi, how's it going. I petitioned
for it to be you. I want you to know.
I remember saying to my mom, I'm like, mom, you
know pretty much anyone can go really and she was like, well,
(35:50):
every office needs a bitch, That's what she said to you. Yeah,
She's like, every office needs the bitch. I'm like, your
mom was confident that it wouldn't be you. Mom, was
you have you know Bertie Kinzie. She's like, don't speak it,
don't speak it put out the positive. Oh man, So
(36:11):
at this time, so this happens, Um, we shoot Booze Cruise.
It airs after Christmas. Christmas episode happens on TV. It's
our largest audience ever ever. Then iTunes streaming. We become
number one in that and then Steve wins the Golden Globes.
What do you remember about that night of us at
(36:31):
the Golden Globes? Um? I remember I got a spray
tan because I thought I was really white, like too
white in my dress, and so people are like, get
a spray tan. And then Rain made fun of me
so much. He was like how what what? So one
day on the office, Angela Martin is like pale and
the next day you look like orange. You're like Angela.
I was like, I don't know me. And then um,
(36:53):
we weren't allowed to sit in the main room. Only
Steve got invited into the main room where the fancy
people were. We were in the annex and we watched
him win like on TV, and we were we we
about like fill out of our chairs. Literally we fell
out of the stuff. But we made such a scene
that other fancy people were like those guys. We were screaming,
(37:14):
We're so excited. And when the party lets out, it
lets out into the room we were in and we like,
we tackled Steve. We're so excited. And then season two happens,
and then that year we win the Emmy. Yeah, that
was so cool. And now we're you know, at least
in terms of the Emmys. What do they know? But
(37:35):
we're now the number one show, um, And so we've
gone from do we even have a job? Are they
going to let us do one more? Two now suddenly?
Or a hit? Do you think that that changed anything? Well, yeah,
for sure, it changed everything as far as the network
was concerned. I think that the show was fantastic. I
(37:58):
think our fans were there, but it really made us
bankable for the network, and then we started getting the
bigger orders. Um. And then creatively the show started finding
its form in terms of we're gonna have a cold open,
the episodes are going to take place more or less
in a day. What do you think the cold opens
(38:19):
allowed the show to do. I think they allowed to
show other departments, other little just relationships and worlds within
dunder Mifflin. Well, yeah, they could be character studies too
and not have to be tied to anything to any storyline, right,
I mean, the Kevin making his chili, It's never discussed again.
(38:41):
There's never any conversation. At least once a year Kevin
says he brings in the chili. He never brings it
in again. He does it one time, he spills it
and that's it. Um. But I think in terms of
it allowed the show to do something for pure comedy,
for a character study. Yeah, I feel like there are
a lot of ways that are did that that I loved,
and I think that was Greg Daniels, you know, just
(39:04):
doing his thing. I mean, there would be nuggets dropped
in a monologue like a talking head and you're like what,
and it's never revisited again. But it's just like information.
All of a sudden, we all know that Creed did
action movies in Hong Kong, what you know or like whatever?
I mean Dwight has some really good ones too. Um,
but I love that about the Chili. It's just assumed
(39:26):
information and and we start in the middle. We don't
explain to you everything. I was just rewatching, um the
Halloween episode. And when Michael leaves, he walks right past Hank.
Never introduced Hank, just just where he sits. That's who
he is, his security downstairs. But there weren't these big
like now we must introduce this and this is a thing.
(39:46):
It was just like their life, all right, you guys.
That's it for now. We are out of time, as
they say, but we will be back with more of Angela,
(40:09):
I promise in a future episode. And until then, we
have a bunch more great interviews coming your way. Thank
you so much for listening, and please, please, just for me,
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My name is Angela Kinsey and I played Angela Burton.
(01:48):
Hello everybody out there in podcast land. Welcome back to
the Office Deep Dive. I am your host, Brian bond Gartner. Today,
as you just heard, you will be listening to my
conversation with Angela Kinsey. Now, let's get something straight. Kevin
(02:08):
made Angela Martin crazy back in the accountants corner throughout
the entire run of the Office. But I am very
happy to report that Angela Kinsey and I actually became
very good friends on the set of the Office and
we are still great friends to this day. Thankfully. Um
but we actually met many years before the office. However,
(02:34):
neither of us remembers it. Okay, So when Angela and
I were in college, Angela went to Baylor, I went
to s m U Hail to the Red and the Blue. Um.
We had the same spring break and one year we
both separately went to Acapulco, Mexico. Random, I know, but
at some point during that trip we ended up in
(02:58):
the same cab, like the the same van cab with
a bunch of other people. And long story short, many
years later, back in our little corner, we figured out
that we met on that night in the cab in Acapulco, Mexico.
Even though, like I said, neither of us have any
(03:20):
memory of it. Um. But luckily for your listening pleasure today,
we do have a lot of great memories from our
ten years working together on the Office. We truly were Angela,
Oscar and I. We were the stars of our own
show over in the accountant's corner. Let me tell you
(03:42):
it was a great show. At least we thought it
was a great show. Anyway, Please welcome my bestie Angela Ckenzie.
I love it. Villu Squiger Bubble and Squiger Cookie. Every moment,
(04:06):
lift over from the nut be Oh you are coming,
How are you? I'm good? How are you? God? How's
(04:27):
your family? I'm waiting for my Christmas car. Everybody's good.
Oh it was while ago. Oh no, I think I
got it. I'm glad it was so memorable. Hi guys,
Oh my god, I'm so low, so low. I think
that's more about your height. Hey, Jenna was just in
(04:48):
that chair and had no issues. Well, she's taller than
I am. All right, I do this for a living.
You know what is going on? This is a mic
of fun. You know it occurs to me. We have
you and I do this all the time together all
the time. Are we already recording? I think it's gold
is going to happen. We're always paired together to do
(05:10):
like press and always satellite tours. And because we're good together, Bud, Yes,
we are, we are. How are you good? You look good?
You have like a snazzy sports jacket. I'm wearing us.
I dressed up for you. Thank you. I like the
mood lighting. I like what you've done with the room.
Kind of got a sexy vibe. This is my first
(05:32):
day in this room. Like we could be in a
lodge maybe like in Vegas, a Vegas lodge. Well, they
made it, they made it feel like home for me. Um. Well,
I'm happy to be here, Brian. I'm happy that you're here.
It's fun to go back and talk about this really fun.
I mean, Jen and I are having so much fun.
But I I know, we knew it was a great show,
(05:54):
that we were part of something special. But getting to
watch it again and I'm watching it now with like
no agenda. I hit the mic, You're a professional. I'm
not agenda is the wrong word. But I'm watching it
now just as an audience, Like I'm not thinking about like,
oh did I get my line right? Or you know,
I'm just watching it as an audience and I'm just
(06:16):
loving it and I'm just like a man, we got
to do that. Do you remember I'm going to go
out of order here, But do you remember when we
were almost fired? You mean you mean which time? The
time with kin Koppits, at the time when we made
Oscar tell a story really loud under the window where
we had Oscar. Oscar gets really animated and he gets
(06:38):
worked up and he's kind of like a very passionate storyteller. Yes,
all right. So to set this up, show is brand new.
We get hired and we're out in the parking lot
and we are we are supporting casts. We are not
a big ticket item on the show. We are easily replaceable.
And Oscar starts telling a story very loudly, very loudly.
(07:00):
We were This is when he kind of blames me.
We were sort of standing over in the sun and
I'm like, guys, let's go stand in the shade. And
I scooched us up against the wall of the building,
apparently right under a window where they were filming. And
then Oscar continues the story and he goes Kinsey almost
got me fired because she's like, Oscar up here. He
came down loudly under the window. We got yelled at.
(07:23):
Ken Koppas himself leaned out the window our director and said, hey, guys,
could you can you keep it down? We're trying to
film here. We're like, oh my god, here, I have
to say what I learned really quickly that moment is
the fight or flight and all of us Oscar, I
don't know if he meant to deer in headlights. He
stepped out and looked up my ass, hugged the wall.
(07:45):
I made myself so small I touched into a shadow.
I don't think Ken saw me. I think he just
saw oscar. You went flat up against a dumpster. Probably
I was like I can like stepped out and was
like okay, and then he was like, um, okay. Two
(08:07):
thousand and three, Yes, before anything related to the Office happened,
What were you doing, oh Man? Two thousand and three.
I was working at Improv Olympic Theater and I performed
there anytime they'd give me stage time, so usually about
three nights a week I did improv. Um. I was
(08:27):
in a show with Kate Flannery who ended up playing
Meredith on the Office, and Kate Walsh, Laura Kraft. Really
hilarious people were on this show. Rich Fulture was our
only guy, and the name of the show was Girl
Team Balls, Girl Team Balls performing three nights a week. No, no, no,
That was one of the shows I was in. It
was like Sunday nights at like ten o'clock, which is
(08:49):
like really when you want to see comedy. And then
I had like a few other improv shows I was doing.
I was all in it. It was like my life.
I know, Brian's nodding at me like nerd little bit.
But so you're doing improv Olympic and working. I'm working
at the theater and I'm performing there and then auditioning. Yeah,
(09:10):
auditioning like every little thing I could do. I had
a bunch of national commercials. Those were the days where
you could get a big national commercial and it would
like you would make a nice income, especially like I
just had a tiny, little one bedroom apartment. It's not
like any big checks. Um. I had a Chevy Blazer
that my parents had helped me buy out of college.
That Chevy Blazer made it until about oh gosh, around
(09:33):
Booze Cruise. I was driving back from Long Beach and
I made a left and my right tire made right,
rolled right through the intersection. Oh my god. Um, and
now did you know about the British Office? Of course
I was a huge fan. You're a huge fan. I
thought it was amazing. But you know, I grew up
with a lot of British television because I grew up overseas,
(09:55):
and um, that was like I grew up on faulty
towers and good neighbors and all these kind of sense
of humor really appealed to me, okay, so you get
called to audition. Well, actually I knew Greg Daniels at
the time. I was related to Greg by marriage. You
guys know that out there, right. I've talked about it
um and I mean, I just loved Greg. He was
so supportive of my career. He would come to my
(10:17):
improv shows. I look back on it now, Brian, and
I know you you do too, because you have kids.
They probably had to get a babysitter coming to my show,
like I. But when you're in your twenties, you don't
think of that. You're like, I have an improv show
at Tanna Clack on Sunday. But now I think about
it and I'm like, what, like it takes to get
out to get to someone's whatever it is. So he
(10:37):
was always so supportive, and he was going to be
doing the remake and he said, you know, this is
when you should come in for you should this is
kind of in your wheelhouse. And I was like, okay,
and I was nervous. I was nervous about what that
looked like in the USA because I loved the British
version and I was like, oh no, are they gonna
(10:57):
But I knew if anyone could do it would be
Greg because he's he is just brilliant, he really is.
And so you get the call and you go, is
there anything specifically you remember about the day you went
into audition. You were auditioning, not for Angela. I was
auditioning for Pam. I remember it very very well because
before I went in, Greg said, Angela, that sounds kind
of funny saying this. Um, He's like, I am not
(11:20):
going to acknowledge you. Okay, like we don't know each other,
he said, trust me on this. If they just think
you're they're just like anyone else, it's going to serve
you better. He goes, I know you can do this.
You know you can do it. I am not going
to in any way let them know that I know
you and you don't do the same. So I was like, okay,
got it. And you don't meet My poker face is horrible.
(11:42):
So you walk in and you're like, hi stranger, Hi Greg, Um.
But no. I walked in and there was a room
full of people as a producer session. He was in
the back corner, and UM, I wore a like a
pink turtleneck and my hair sort of half up, half down,
and I had really worked on the scene. I felt
really good about it and it was going great. I
(12:03):
was reading with Phyllis and there's a moment when Michael
fake fires Pam in front of Ryan the Timp, and
it's such a jerk move right, and Pam calls him
a jerk. She starts to cry and she calls him
a jerk because you kind of realized that as crappy
as this job is, she probably needs this job. And
when Phyllis as Michael fake fires me, I look up
(12:27):
and I called her a jerk, but I guess I
was like jerk. Like everyone started laughing, and I remember
in my mind thinking, like I don't think I'm supposed
to have laugh right there, So you got a laugh
on the jerky I got a laugh on the jerk line.
But every it was like everything was going great. I
walked out there, Greg really like close to his chest,
(12:47):
gave me like where no one could see, like a
big smile of thumbs up, which you know, I was
like on cloud nine, and I felt great about it.
I walked out there, I was like whoo, and then
I didn't get it um and like that was that,
And you know, you go into your next audition. I
had an audition for a pilot for the Oxygen Channel.
Do you remember the Oxygen Network. I was a big
(13:08):
star on I bet you were, but I bet you
crushed it over there. It was a pilot that was like, um,
an improv pilot, kind of like Curb your Enthusiasm before Curb.
And they got these phenomenal improv actors and I had
auditioned for it and got it, and they were flying
me to New York and I thought I was so
fancy getting flown first class to New York. We filmed
in the village and I was like, Oh, this one's
(13:30):
the one going like this is happening. I played the
slutty receptionist, perfect perfect um. And then two months went by.
I was waiting to hear about that and I got
a call saying, you know that show the Office, they
really liked you. They just thought you were a little
too feisty for Pam and they were like this this
woman is like like she works in accounting and she's
(13:53):
sort of stuffy. She doesn't really have anything nice to
say about anybody. And then they said, when you come
back in, just really downplay your looks, like you know,
this is a very drab accountant and a paper company
in sacram So I read with Kim Koppas and it
was like one line and I'll never forget it because
he said, um, well, Angela, you know how he talked, Well, Angela, Yeah,
(14:17):
you made a real meal out of that line. And
I was like, wait, is that good? I don't know,
do I want to make me a lot of that line?
But I felt really good about it. It It was the
scene that you and I ultimately do. And and then
I got a call that I got it, and I
couldn't believe it because it was like this thing that
I had let go. I was like, that's great. And
(14:38):
then I remember thinking like, well, what about Salon Royale
the pilot I did for Oxygenlan Royal, And um, it
didn't go. Salant Royale did not go. So I went
from the slutty receptionist to the prickly accountant. What now?
What would have if Salant Royale had gone? I think
(15:02):
I would you would not have been on the office. No,
and I would have been a lead. I would have
I would have thought, who I'm like one of the
leads of the Salon Royale. Yeah, I know, Well it
all worked out. Oh my goodness. So you did you
know anybody else that had been cast? You had worked
with some people? Yes, I knew Oscar Nuniez. We had
(15:23):
done a sketch comedy show called Hot Towel. Hot Towel
sketch comedy shows. I'll have weird names because because you're
in your twenties and you think you're hilarious, hot towel
is hilarious. The hot towel they hand you like on
a plane, we were like that, let's be hot towel. Well,
I don't know because they had flown you first class,
had that experience, and you were like, oh, let's call
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it hot towel. Oh, it actually wasn't that would be perfect,
but it actually wasn't my idea. Um. So I knew
Oscar and then um Kate Flannery and I had done
improv together. Dave Keckner. I knew all the improv circles
you know. Um do you remember having any reaction with
Ben Silverman or Croppus Coappus. I loved, like right away.
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He was just amazing And I'll never forget our scene
when we did the pilot. It was the last shot
of the day. And we had had a long day
and I could tell Ken was done. He wanted to
go home, and he has this two line scene and
accounting he sends everyone home but us. We're over there
in the corner. You and I have been waiting all
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day for this moment. And I said my line, you
said yours, and he goes, okay, why you. First of all,
Ken doesn't say action, you know, he goes go in
and then you do your scene and he's like, you
know what, why don't you do it again? But like
give it half of that? Like, give it half of that.
So I say my line was like, well, if someone's
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gonna be fired, I yeah, it's probably gonna be me.
And he was like, yea, give it half of that.
I'm like, do I sound like some vaudeville commy? Am?
I like, if someone's going to be fine, I don't
prova maybe, Like I was like, give it half of that.
So I was like, someone's gonna be fired, It'll probably
be me, and he was like in one more less,
I'm like what? And then and then I remember you
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and I so I did I said it. I just
like gave it nothing right. And then he was like,
I think we got it, and then he left and
I turned you and I was like, are we going
to be fired? And You're like, I think we just
I think we're fired. I think we suck. Oh my gosh.
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Welcome out in the shoes. What do you remember that
was different about shooting in the pilot for the office
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than anything else you'd worked on before. Is there anything
different that you were met? Well? Sure, I mean there
were a few things. First of all, like the tone,
like just the fact that can like made us get
there early and do work. We were to go to
our desks and do work like we were filing papers
or typing something and sit in silence take a call
if you want to take a call. It was very
(21:23):
method kind of go there and work on your desk,
and he just rolled b roll camera. And then also
like we had no marks, like the sort of um
the idea that you were on a TV show. It
didn't feel like that. It didn't feel like any other
set I'd been on. It almost was like I was
on a reality TV show and I had been miked
and told to go work in an office somewhere. Like
(21:44):
the feeling of the crew, all of that was just
like it wasn't there. There were only like the crew
felt very small, like Skeleton Crew and all the other
shows you're on. It feels like a production, right, That's
very interesting. The idea that we didn't have marks right then,
In normal television shows they mark where you're supposed to
stand so the camera can capture you perfectly in your
(22:06):
scene and focus walking up delivering your lines. And we
didn't have that this was a documentary, so the camera
was expected to find you wherever you happen to land. Yeah,
they would say, walk up to reception, and you're going
to deliver your lines at reception, and you know, Angela
you're going to stand over by the copier and Brian
you're going to stand over by the coat rack. But
(22:26):
they didn't within three ft of that area. We could
roam around and do whatever we wanted. Right. Also, there
was no there was no missing wall right we were
in and in fact the pilot we shot in an
actual office space, right, and so the walls were not movable.
They had to truly work in the space they were in,
which I thought was great because it is a documentary.
They can't fudge that. They have to. Like if the
(22:48):
walls there On other TV shows, they'd be like, well,
fly out the wall, move the wall, it's messing up
my shot. But this you had to work around it.
And I think like the camera finding you and if
it was blurry or a little bit, if they missed
you in and had to find you, all of that
was gold for this type of show because they didn't
want it to feel like a polish, polished network television show. Yeah,
(23:10):
how do you feel like choosing Scranton to set the
space and what do you think that did for us? Well,
I think it grounded it and made it like any town, right,
It could be anywhere, so these things can happen anywhere
to anyone or just a normal town. I really liked that.
I also think that a lot of the shows skewed
(23:31):
towards big cities, and um, I like seeing the smaller towns. Yeah,
I think that also. I mean you're right, but I
think also Greg taking it a step further and saying
we're going to create in any town by being as
absolutely true and specific as we can to this town,
(23:53):
right and it It is one of the things that
doesn't make me sad if if you were going to say,
what are some regrets about filming The Office is we
never got to film an episode there on location. And
they tried, they really tried, but it was it's a
lot of moving parts to move a whole cast and
crew and set up for a week. But we tried
to do the St. Patrick's Day, remember the parade, and
(24:14):
that would have been so cool. You know what's so
crazy is that Jenna said the same thing, and I said,
the same thing. It's one of my biggest regrets that
we never went there as a production. Now we all
went there, and it was I fell in love with
the place, so did you. I still think you should
have a bar there called Malons. You should have a
bar called Malons and Scranton. You and I were the
(24:35):
first ones to go. We were yes, and then we
came back and we're like, you guys, you all have
to go. It's amazing. That is one of my favorite
weekends of my life. And that is you, guys, that
includes becoming a mother. Like that's how much fun this
weekend was. It was just a blast. First of all,
they sent a limo for us. Were in New York
(24:55):
City doing press and I got in at first. They
picked me up first, and they were going to pick
up you. You guys, this is before you texted people.
This really dates us. But I had like a BlackBerry
and I was trying to tell Brian we were We
had arrived to pick him up, and I was like,
we're in a stretch limo that looks like a truck,
like an suv. It was, and they had it all
(25:17):
this stuff in there because we were gonna then drive
to Scranton, and I was like, Brian, what is happening?
Where are we going? Yeah? I that first time in Scranton.
Actually you and I it was like we were the Beatles. Yeah.
We went up to a rooftop in Scranton because they said, oh,
a few people from the city want to meet you.
Love some drinks. We went up there and they were
like four thousand people on the roof and it was
(25:40):
just me and you. Yeah, no, I know, yeah, And
then when we all went back, everyone was like, oh
my god. I remember ed Helms turned to me. He
wanted to go into this train store and we had
to go out in the back entrance because the store
had been surrounded by people, and he said, Ange, this
might be the closest will ever be to being a
Beatle um. So I've been talking to people a little
bit about creating their characters. Was there because your training
(26:03):
was an improv Well, I did theater like all through
you know, high school and college. I did theater, but
my love and passion was improv and comedy and sketch comedy, right,
And so creating the character of Angela, did you? Was
there like a special sauce that you had about creating
her physically or well the way I dressed for my
(26:25):
second audition. When I came back in for what would
end up being Angela, they asked me if I could
bring my own clothes to the pilot. I wore my
own clothes in the pilot. So yeah, I guess my
gray on gray that I what I had in my
closet ended up being a color scheme for her. Um.
I brought a photo of myself and my grandmother, Lena Mackenzie,
(26:47):
and my eyes are closed in the photo and it's
a black and white picture, and I just thought it
was really funny that she would frame that it said
I Heart Grandma. And that's what I because Ken really
wanted us to decorate our workspace. And I put that
on my desk, and so, you know, I guess in
my mind I saw her as this sort of stuffy gal.
But she wasn't malicious. She just took work very seriously
(27:10):
and she was here to do work. She wasn't there
for shenanigans, you know, And that's sort of how I
approached her. The one line Greg told me is she
probably doesn't have a lot of nice things to say
about everyone. And then I had a prop on my
desk that was a paper clip holder that was kind
of a big cat laying on its side. I still
have that to this day. So I thought like, well,
(27:32):
I have this photo of me and my grandmother. Was
her grandma her best friend? I don't know, I have
this cat paper clip holder, I'm wearing all gray, and
I know she probably doesn't have a lot of nice
things to say, so that just sort of informed me.
I started to put her together and then you know,
in the pilot, I improvised the whole Sprinkles thing. Ken
Koppas wanted me to pass around papers in the background
(27:52):
of a scene, and I asked him what what papers
said doesn't matter? And I doodled a little cat and
I said, you're invited to Sprinkles first birthday party. And
I sort of made it up that I'd found this
cat in the parking lot and I invited everyone but Jim.
I just figured Jim would have made fun of me
or something, and that was all stuff I was doing
on my own. You know, you saved the Sprinkles and
(28:15):
posted I still have the Sprinkles posted not you gave
me the one that was on the partition when we wrapped.
You gave me that, and I like, I love it
so much. You kept it. No one else kept Kevin.
Kevin my my the person that drove me crazy. Ist
kept was sentimental in in a weird way. Um. Do
(28:36):
you remember seeing the pilot for the first time? Yeah? Yeah,
what did you think of it? I thought it was
really funny. I thought it was really funny, and I thought, well,
maybe we have a chance. But for me, when I
really thought oh this is we've got something was Diversity
Day and that scene of all of us in the
(28:56):
conference room with those note cards on our forehead. I
was Jamaica, you know, and I think you do want
to stop it. You and I had that great scene. Um.
I remember looking around and being like, oh, this is
I'm not seeing this on TV right now. We're the
only people doing this here, and this feels really special. Yeah.
(29:17):
And do you remember anything about getting the call that
the show was picked up for a series. I do.
I was. I mean, I I thought, oh my god.
My first thought was, well, I guess I could go
down to part time at the theater, like because I
just didn't know, Like nothing for me had ever stuck.
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finished the first season and then we come back for
season two. What do you remember that changed? Um hair
and makeup. The hair and makeup was like a like
if my my grandpa that used he used to like
try to make things with wood. The makeup area was
like someone who put a together a few pieces of
(32:55):
plywood and like clamped a light on it that looked
like an electrical hazard in the middle of an empty warehouse.
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That was the game changer for Steve and Jenna and
I have talked about this where we had this moment
where we're like, oh my god, our friends Steve is
gonna be like real famous, like real Dale famous. I
really felt like they were banking on Steve, and I
was like, Okay, I will attach myself to the Steve Wagon.
I'm banking on him too. I thought that that was
a really good sign. But I still wasn't confident. I
(33:43):
mean I still was like when we finished those first
six because season one was just six, they printed our
names on pieces of paper and then laminated them and
put a piece of velcrow on the back and that's
what stuck to your door of your trailer. And I
went up to my ripped that, ripped it off, said
I'm gonna save that. That was fun because you were
(34:03):
sure it was done. I just didn't know. I mean,
they were putting so much at the time, NBC had
the show that was like our rival sort of show
that was this couple, and they were on every bus everywhere.
We weren't on any buses, we weren't anywhere. And I
was like, wow, the putting a lot of money on
those guys. Yes, there was not a whole lot of confidence.
(34:25):
But Kevin Riley, I was about to say, I knew
Kevin Riley was fighting for us, and I know that's
why when we ultimately won an Emmy, all you guys
lifted him in the air and that's the photo that
made the l a times because we all knew as
a cast. We stayed on the air because Kevin Riley
put his neck on the line for us. Right when
did you feel like we actually had security? I know
(34:46):
distinctly remember well. I remember getting an email that our
first Christmas episode had become the number one download on
iTunes and I was like what, and I said, oh,
that's it. Mom was getting rid for Chevy Blazer and
then I got a Honda. Um, yeah that that That
(35:08):
was a huge moment. And it's funny. Before that aired,
there was a moment that was very significant for you
and I, which was boost crews. Yes, when we finally
became series regulars. Yep, I found out I was going
to be a series regular. And there's a photo that, um,
I think Oscar took of Jenna and I when I
found out. We're jumping up in the air holding hands.
And I mean up until then, we were basically like
(35:29):
week to week. Like I remember in Halloween episode when
they were like, yeah, we're gonna actually fire one person,
We're all like, okay, Hi, how's it going. I petitioned
for it to be you. I want you to know.
I remember saying to my mom, I'm like, mom, you
know pretty much anyone can go really and she was like, well,
(35:50):
every office needs a bitch, That's what she said to you. Yeah,
She's like, every office needs the bitch. I'm like, your
mom was confident that it wouldn't be you. Mom, was
you have you know Bertie Kinzie. She's like, don't speak it,
don't speak it put out the positive. Oh man, So
(36:11):
at this time, so this happens, Um, we shoot Booze Cruise.
It airs after Christmas. Christmas episode happens on TV. It's
our largest audience ever ever. Then iTunes streaming. We become
number one in that and then Steve wins the Golden Globes.
What do you remember about that night of us at
(36:31):
the Golden Globes? Um? I remember I got a spray
tan because I thought I was really white, like too
white in my dress, and so people are like, get
a spray tan. And then Rain made fun of me
so much. He was like how what what? So one
day on the office, Angela Martin is like pale and
the next day you look like orange. You're like Angela.
I was like, I don't know me. And then um,
(36:53):
we weren't allowed to sit in the main room. Only
Steve got invited into the main room where the fancy
people were. We were in the annex and we watched
him win like on TV, and we were we we
about like fill out of our chairs. Literally we fell
out of the stuff. But we made such a scene
that other fancy people were like those guys. We were screaming,
(37:14):
We're so excited. And when the party lets out, it
lets out into the room we were in and we like,
we tackled Steve. We're so excited. And then season two happens,
and then that year we win the Emmy. Yeah, that
was so cool. And now we're you know, at least
in terms of the Emmys. What do they know? But
(37:35):
we're now the number one show, um, And so we've
gone from do we even have a job? Are they
going to let us do one more? Two now suddenly?
Or a hit? Do you think that that changed anything? Well, yeah,
for sure, it changed everything as far as the network
was concerned. I think that the show was fantastic. I
(37:58):
think our fans were there, but it really made us
bankable for the network, and then we started getting the
bigger orders. Um. And then creatively the show started finding
its form in terms of we're gonna have a cold open,
the episodes are going to take place more or less
in a day. What do you think the cold opens
(38:19):
allowed the show to do. I think they allowed to
show other departments, other little just relationships and worlds within
dunder Mifflin. Well, yeah, they could be character studies too
and not have to be tied to anything to any storyline, right,
I mean, the Kevin making his chili, It's never discussed again.
(38:41):
There's never any conversation. At least once a year Kevin
says he brings in the chili. He never brings it
in again. He does it one time, he spills it
and that's it. Um. But I think in terms of
it allowed the show to do something for pure comedy,
for a character study. Yeah, I feel like there are
a lot of ways that are did that that I loved,
and I think that was Greg Daniels, you know, just
(39:04):
doing his thing. I mean, there would be nuggets dropped
in a monologue like a talking head and you're like what,
and it's never revisited again. But it's just like information.
All of a sudden, we all know that Creed did
action movies in Hong Kong, what you know or like whatever?
I mean Dwight has some really good ones too. Um,
but I love that about the Chili. It's just assumed
(39:26):
information and and we start in the middle. We don't
explain to you everything. I was just rewatching, um the
Halloween episode. And when Michael leaves, he walks right past Hank.
Never introduced Hank, just just where he sits. That's who
he is, his security downstairs. But there weren't these big
like now we must introduce this and this is a thing.
(39:46):
It was just like their life, all right, you guys.
That's it for now. We are out of time, as
they say, but we will be back with more of Angela,
(40:09):
I promise in a future episode. And until then, we
have a bunch more great interviews coming your way. Thank
you so much for listening, and please, please, just for me,
have a great week. The Office. Deep Dive is hosted
(40:30):
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