The Office Sweet 16 Party

The American Office turns 16 today! In this very special Sweet 16 episode, Brian responds to listener comments, questions, and reviews. He is joined by some VERY special guests and friends of the pod - Green Bay Packers QB and Office guest star, Aaron Rodgers, and Rainn Wilson himself as Terry Carnation from his new podcast, Dark Air with Terry Carnation.

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Welcome to a very special episode of The Office Deep Dive.
I am your host, Brian baum Gartner. Listen. Even though
we put out our usual Tuesday episode yesterday with Mr
Ben Silverman, I am coming at you today with this
bonus episode because sixteen years ago today, on Thursday, March

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two thousand five, at nine pm local time, The American
Office premiered on NBC. That's right, The Office turns sixteen today.
Happy sweet sixteen everybody. Wow, this is exciting now. I checked. Weirdly,

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this is not recognized as a national holiday weird, But
in honor of the special occasion, I am throwing you
are fans a sweet sixteen party. This episode is for you,
the wonderful fans who love the show and have been
showing so much love for this podcast. I'm going to

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answer some of the fantastic questions that you sent in
and tell even more behind the scenes stories that we
didn't get to on the podcast. And I'm gonna respond
to some of your comments about the podcast itself. I
seriously love hearing from you guys, so I am very
excited to respond to some of your burning questions. But first,

(03:40):
because this is our special fan episode, I am going
to have a chat with one well lucky fan. This
guy is an office super fan. I met him wow
thirteen years ago. Dan. He started like stalking me on

(04:01):
social media and then one day I show up to
set and this guy's on set like talking to all
of the other actors. And then he ended up making
an appearance in one episode of the show, the series finale,
no less, and he also happens to be the NFL's

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m v P and for sixteen years, the quarterback of
the Green Bay Packers. That's right, Please give a warm
Welcome to my friend Aaron Rodgers. Aaron, how's it going.
That's a nice intro there, buddy. I mean, if you're
looking for someone eventually for the Hall of Fame, I

(04:46):
might be available if you're interested. You get the perfect
face for radio, my friend, Like I've always always told you,
uh years, though I can't believe it's been thirteen years.
I remember when we met. I was so juiced because
I was a huge fan of the show. But um, wow,

(05:06):
that is it's it's crazy thirteen years and and my
favorite part about that story is I didn't know who
you were. I don't know you were either. I thought
you were somebody scatty or so yes. I um, when
when did you start watching The Office? Did you watch
it from the beginning? I didn't watch from the beginning. Um,

(05:30):
I was a little bit. Uh well, I'll tell you.
I was way into the British Office. I'm a fan
of Ricky's Your Vais for a long time. I watched
those these two seasons. I said, I thought they were
absolutely brilliant. And my friend Joey longtime friend, and got
me into it, and we had started watching his house.

(05:50):
I mean, you know, right when it came out, and
I remember when when I heard the there's gonna be
an adaptation in the States, I was like, and well,
how can do this show in the States? You know?
And I remember so I didn't really get into it
the first season and I started watching it. I think
I'm guessing there was like a DVD that came out.
This was after VHS, so this is probably a DVD

(06:12):
that came out. Remember watching it and going, oh, they
did the Jello episode like in the British Office and stuff,
and this is the season went on. I was like,
this is really funny, like and this is this is
gonna be really good because you guys started to go
in your own direction. And from that point forward, I
was fucked. And I've seen it so many times through
and I watched it I think, uh, two and a

(06:33):
half times through Uh during COVID, So you watched it
two and a half times. That's amazing. I knew we
had talked, and I knew that you were rewatching it
again because periodically you will like send me a screenshot
of me doing something really stupid. Uh, And I knew
that you you were watching it. Why why do you
keep coming back to it? I mean, I guess specifically,

(06:55):
like what is it that you love about it? I mean,
it's hard to just pick one thing. I just think
there's so many things about this show that are so
beautiful and and and that should be timeless. But I
think the interesting part about the show is that it
would get canceled by this culture we live in, I
think before it even got going. And uh, for reasons

(07:21):
that I think are so beautiful about the show is
that it's it's people who aren't necessarily PC and and
don't always say the right things and and I think
that's the beauty in any great TV show is it's
characters who are relatable, who you can go, oh, man,
I love this about Jim. You know, he's an awkward
situations and all you can do is just look around

(07:42):
and look at the camera. You know, Pam with you know,
a relationship that's you know, in and out and you
just want somebody to commit to you. Or or Michael,
you know, you just want him. He just wants to
be liked so badly. That's all he cares about is
like people, you know, respecting him and liking him, and
you just we we start especially in those characters with
people that we know in our own lives. So we're

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not only loving the characters, but we're loving it because
every time we see Kevin, we're reminded of someone. Every
time we see Ryan, the temper were reminded is someone
from our lives. It makes us laugh, or makes us mad,
or makes us anything, any type of emotion that brings
it kind of brings even deeper in the show. And
I think just the meanings, the deeper meaning of the
show in the way it's crafted, I think is beautiful.

(08:24):
The way it's written, the character arcs for so many
um of the people you you start to just really
love on the show, yourself included. I love your character
arc throughout the show. How kind of as the show
goes on, you're You're the way you talk kind of
gets kind of gets smarter. And I remember the first
time I met you, I was like, oh, you don't
talk like that, like you're doing the show. But I

(08:44):
love I love your character ar. I love Rains as
Dwight Um. I love the fact that Creed story and
how he got his part and fill us his story
she got her part on the show, and and Robert
California coming in as czar as you could possibly imagined
Spader and just killing it and actually kind of bringing

(09:04):
you back in after you didn't know what was gonna
happen when Steve left the show, and and then just
how it ends, you know, and to be a part
of strangely a part of the penultimate in the in
the in the final episode, um where there's just a
couple of just amazing lines I've I've mentioned him before
and you know when Andy speaks to camera there in
the last episode, it's just so beautifully written and spoken

(09:27):
by him talking about you know, you wish somebody would
tell you're in the good old days before you left him.
I think that's it's it's that, and that's what the
show does. It's such a nostalgic part of so much
of our lives where we can just remember where we
were when we saw a certain episodes, or what phase
of life we were in when the show was going crazy,
and that's why we're all thankful for and that's why
we binge the hell out of it on Netflix. Yeah,

(09:48):
you know, it's funny. Ed not too long ago, he
I think it was on Twitter he sent out that
quote and he had a picture of me and john
On and Rain and himself all in our tuxes after
the Golden Globes one year, and I remember back to
that more like he was doing it on purpose, obviously,

(10:09):
but just him for me personally, going back to that
night and going back to so many nights like that
with those guys. Um, Yeah, it's that one still gets me.
That that one still gets me. And because you brought
it up, I was going to bring it up later.
But you know, one of the questions that I asked
everybody was about the very last line of the show,

(10:32):
which is i'll paraphrase, but Pam talking about why they
chose dunder Mifflin as a subject for this documentary and
then realizing that it was a good subject because there's
beauty and ordinary things and isn't that kind of the point.
But through all of the Shenanigans, all of them, you know, crazy,

(10:54):
you know, like I've said many times, we felt like
we were just being idiots, you know, for a decade,
But there was an underlying feeling there that people like
you just said, seemed to respond to. That it celebrates
that that ordinary nous um or or seemingly ordinariness in people. Yeah,
I couldn't agree with you anymore. I mean, there's a

(11:16):
lot of misty moments in the last episode and just
that last montage of of Jim and Pam talking to camera,
you know, especially when Jim's talking about dunder Mifflin and
this amazing, crazy, you know, bizarre place that he lived
and worked at and the people that he grew up
with and Creeds, you know, playing the guitar there, you know,

(11:38):
after the you know, Angela and and do I come
up after you know the wedding is just this is
some of the just sweetest, most beautiful moments and in
a show's ending, I think because you're bringing that nostalgy
and and just a great montage and um and you
kind of you wrap things up now. I'm I love

(11:59):
watching movies and shows and and sometimes I think, you know,
for certain shows or movies you don't need it, and
you don't need to wrap things up. It's almost better
with the mystery. But I think with with the ride
that that the Office took us on for so many years,
like it was fun to to see all these different
stories wrapped up and and to have uh Steve come
back the way that he did and the time that

(12:20):
he did. That's what she said. Joke was so perfectly done.
And and to see Nelly come back, and to see
Ryan and Kelly end up together, and Um and Dwight
in the dream job that he wants to and you
and your character with your bar and you guys patching
things up, and and Jim, you know, getting a grand

(12:42):
gesture from Pam to to go do his dream job.
I just there's so many beautiful moments put in the end.
It comes down to that set, which I was lucky
enough to go on thankfully when I when you, when
you showed me around. But just to end it there
for all of us, you know, it was just a
really special moment, I think, and I'm sure it was
for you guys to you know, it's it's funny coming

(13:02):
up in a in an episode not too long from now.
I sit down with Creed and he I saw him
the night before. We actually played in a benefit concert
the night before and I said, hey, tomorrow, you're coming in,
we're gonna chat, bring in your guitar, and he played
that song for me, just sitting and right now, I'm
I'm I'm having feeling just him sitting there playing that

(13:24):
song with him. It will never not do something to
me for sure. Um, the series finale, you mentioned you
were not scripted in the show, as you know. You know,
I've never revealed who was scripted. I may have told
you it was a it was a famous it was

(13:45):
a famous tennis player. Let's just go with that. It
was a famous tennis player. And we finished the table
read and I went to Greg Daniels and I said, hey,
you know, I don't know if you know, if somebody
knows him, if he's going to come in or whatever.
I was like, but you know, I just want you
to know Aaron Rodgers a big fan of the show.
And he's like, oh, do you think Aaron would do it?

(14:05):
I think he would and uh and then yeah, you
came on. Um, I remember us hanging out. Obviously we
weren't in it together, but a little bit, you know,
offset how was that experience for you coming on the
show as being a big fan of the show, and
you've gotten to know a lot of us at that point.
But yeah, and and that's the fun thing. I got
to be around set a couple of times and and

(14:27):
be out, you know, with you guys a few times,
and met a number of people had met Angela and
Oscar and who else did I meet? Craig bj Novac
You're doppelganger? Yeah yeah, guys, look at it my side
picture online. Yeah yeah, yeah, dead on and I've met

(14:50):
I met Steve on a plane randomly one time, and
I met Rain on set. So it's fun to be
out there. Uh. And we got to be with Ed
Helms on that shoot, so I was pumped. I mean,
I remember the drive down. I was so excited to
to just like be on the set and and see
what's going on. I didn't know what I was, you know,
really the role I was. I was walking into um.

(15:11):
And then I meet my two other guest stars. It's uh,
Santa Gold, who I didn't know who she was before,
but she was really really sweet and just a really
sweet special person. We had a fun, fun day. And
then Clay Aikin was it was and I had known
Clay because I had been a fan of American idol um.
So uh, to this day, when people you know who

(15:35):
that's the beauty in the show, there's so many people
who just have watched it now and they're like, hey,
I just saw you're on the You're on the Office.
I'm like, yeah, that was like eight years ago, you know, Like,
but I love that, and that's the timeless nature of
the show. But it was so fun beyond set and
just watching Ed work, you know, through his his bid
and you know, I just have so much respect for

(15:55):
him and I love what he brought to the show
and it's just his quirky, nerd dog that only only
he could do. Um, nobody was so fun. Beyond that said,
my favorite memory from the show was you know, my lines,
and I've gotten some guff for it over the years,
but I wouldn't like I had the greatest lines, you know,
and and the one line, you know, the lines that

(16:17):
they end up using in the montage of the kind
of the viral song that comes out You're just not
good or whatever. Like, I didn't mind those lines, but
flag on the play was not my favorite line. And
I just felt like, like, I get this, it's a
football reference, you know, but I would never say that,
and Brian, you know me, I'm like, it was just

(16:38):
so cheesy. So so if we did twelve takes, you know,
if we did twelve takes, you know, four the times
I said flag on the play, the other eight, I
just kind of add LIBC. I was like, can I
just say something that I think I would use? And
so the first like I think three takes, I said
flag on the play, and then I just add lived
after that, and the sweet sweet script lady would come

(17:01):
by and go Mr Rogers, um your line is flag
on the play, and you know that was like that
was like after like the third time, I hadn't said it.
So we're in like take eight now and I'm like,
I'm still gonna go something different, and you know, she
was so sweet. She never lost her patience, but I

(17:21):
could tell by about take eleven she was like, hey,
your your line still is flag on the place. Oh yeah, yeah, sorry,
I forgot you know that I said flag on the
play And they got the twelve take and I'm like, yeah,
they're gonna use that. That's the one. But it was
so it was so fun being on there and then
to see myself, you know when they you know, when

(17:42):
they cut to the viral video of the baby wah wah,
you know in the last episode. Um man, it was
so fun. And I do really appreciate be you setting
that up for me and give me the opportunity because
although I never got seen and in another one of
my all time favorite shows. I've been in the penultimate
episode of now two of my all time favorite shows,

(18:05):
the other one being a Game of Thrones, which are
still people don't realize I might have been in there
where with the office they can actually see my face,
my slightly bloated still on my phase of eating the
copious amounts of dairy products all the time, but I
did ahead of last day on set. Do you feel
like that your life has changed since being on the office,

(18:25):
I mean, do people recognize you in public? Yeah, I'd
say that was probably the biggest the biggest thing. I
will say though that, you know, there's been some things
over the years that I think I helped my brand
as much as anything. I always give State Farm credit
for this bizarre discount double check that. When I read
the script the first time, I'm like, this is not funny,
this is like, they gotta change this. And sure enough,

(18:46):
I mean for years it was. And you've been with
me on the golf course at Taho that was in
Pebble Beach. That was like the only thing people would
yell at me and and I would and I would
just laugh. How that kind of changed my you know,
my public persona. But uh, you and I have talked
about the numbers of people that have watched this show
at Netflix, four times as many watched on Netflix as

(19:06):
any other show. It's unbelievable. Um now, it's obviously over
at the Peacock, but uh, but I will say that
I'm sure there were some people wondering who the hell
that was, and then other people going, oh, isn't that
guy who's the insurance guy? Is he was in the office? Wow? Okay,
so yeah, it might have helped my brand a little bit.
But I appreciate it, buddy. It's fun. He did a

(19:29):
great job with the you know, with the first podcast.
And that's the thing I think is beautiful is it's
so many people have either loved this show since season
one or I've gotten into it more recently, but it
has stood the test of time because it's just so
relatable and it has such a good message all the
while it just keeps you laughing the whole time because

(19:51):
you just, you know, some of the stuff that Michael
Pols and the pranks at Gym Pools on Dwight all
the time, and and your character Arc and oscars and
angelas and everybody kind of gets that's cool. Everybody kind
of gets through opportunity to shine in different episodes in
different ways, which is which is really cool to see
as well. Yeah, one of the things we've we've talked
about is, you know, why the show is still so big?

(20:14):
I mean, why, quite frankly is it bigger now than
it ever was when it was on? And um, I
think you've touched on a lot of those things, sort
of the universality that you know, how how much people
relate to the show. And I think there's something else
which I've sort of come to in these conversations with
so many people, is that so many shows after a

(20:36):
decade or or longer since we you know, and it's
been sixteen years since the pilot aired, um, is that
they they feel dated or they feel not quite right.
And I think that the discovery that I've had is
that a documentary can never be dated. It is about
these people at this time, and it's so defining the

(21:01):
time that you know, the clothes or the technology that
maybe isn't exactly the same, that doesn't matter because it's
about that and you're following that journey on that time,
and so you never do that like, oh that's an
old joke or oh that's you know, look at that
flip phone or whatever. It's like, you don't if there's
a documentary about the seventies, you don't go this looks

(21:22):
this is dated. It's like, well, yeah, it's about the seventies,
dink um. Anyway, Yeah, that's that's a really fascinating point
that I'm just thinking about as you're saying that. It
makes a lot of sense because you watch old episodes
of uh Seinfeld of Friends or say by the Bell,
there's some of the shows we grew up on, you like,
man like they didn't have phones and they didn't the

(21:45):
way they communicated and some of the jokes and stuff.
You look at it differently for sure. Then when you
look at this faux documentary style, which by the way,
is just so brilliantly genius of Ricky and Stephen, you know,
to to start off, like and you pick a paper
company too, it's like, wait, what what do we Yeah,

(22:05):
that's why. So and you pick a place, you know, Scranton,
p A. It's like it's just this beautiful combination of
like the workplace, the fact that it's shot as a documentary.
It's in Scranton, p A. And you have the non
PC characters in a time where the era is changing,
and yeah, just all it's just all so beautifully done. Um,

(22:26):
and I think it will continue to standard test of
time because there's a love affair of nostalgia of a
time like that where things were maybe a little less
precious than they are now. Well, thank you so much
for talking to me about this as usual, so perceptive
and and so deep about um well life and the show. Um.

(22:49):
But before we leave, I feel like it's only fair
that I ask you this question that you've told me
without me asking many times, who's your favorite character on
the office? If you're definitely in my top five, I think, uh,
that's exactly right. That's I thought it was gonna be
a quick answer for you. I mean, for those we

(23:10):
play a lot of golf together, and oftentimes it's in public.
You you always say that it's Creed. That's what you all.
You always say that it's Creed. But maybe you're just
needling me. I've been just needling you because you know
you may have been higher on the call sheet than him,
and you actor types, you are also worried about who's
ranked number one and number twenty in the call sheets.

(23:33):
Are worried about that? Just this is what you did too.
You try to turn it right back on me. We
had a classic. I just show this. We had a classic.
You know. We're waiting on the on this whole in
South Carolina playing the BMW event and there's it's it's
a it's a part five, but it's a short part five.
You can get home and two. And so we're a

(23:54):
couple of groups stacked up and we're talking to the
crowd as the group is walking on the fairway and
asking them who they're favorite characters are, and and Brian
gets a little sensitive, you know, about the situations. So
he starts, you know, talking about who his all time
favorite quarterbacks are for the Packers and mentioning far and
part Star and Dot mckowski and Lynn Dickey and all

(24:15):
these different people. Ryan, it's always he always trying to
get some jebs and look, I I've always been a
fan of of Jim's character. I love I mean, I
feel like he's a relatable character. For sure. He's very athletic.
I know you try and try and feel like you're
the you know you've made some sort of fifteen shots
in a row at some point in the basketball episode.

(24:37):
But Jim is definitely the most athletic on the Check
the tape. Check check the tape. But I missed uh,
I miss miss missy anybody I miss uh miss our
back and force for sure. And I appreciate you have
me on here absolutely, Thank you so much, Aaron, Thank you, Brian.
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I mispronounced anyone's name today. But our first question, mailbag,
we have someone I'm told who might be able to
challenge Aaron's title as the number one fan. Gregory Hunter
McDowell says, Hi, Brian in alone, I watched The Office

(29:27):
twenty two times. Wow. It was my go to show,
from tragedies to triumphs. My favorite thing about your character
was your side glance to the camera. My question would
be what was your favorite game or website on your
work computer you went to portray working? Great question. Uh, Now,

(29:49):
when The Office came on, we didn't have internet access
the first year, and then they were like, well, let's
make this more realistic, right, We're all about realism. Our
computers started working and my Space was the social media
do your um at the time, and so a number

(30:12):
of us got on my We thought, well, if we're
in an office, what are office workers around the land
right now doing? There on my Space? So I got
on my Space as my character Kevin Malone, and I
had a blog and I never veered from actor to character.

(30:32):
In other words, it was Kevin Malone, who was sitting
in an office called dunder Mifflin, was not aware that
he was being filmed or on television, who was just
writing about his experience. I need to go back and
read some of those blogs and see if they're just
terrible or if it's kind of fun. But the most
fun thing I did was people started on my Space

(30:54):
asking me for signed pictures. Will you send me a
signed picture? And I thought, well, I can't do that.
Because I'm just Kevin Malone, an accountant who doesn't know
he's on television. So I said, well, I don't know
why you want a picture of me, but if you
send me a signed picture of you, then I will

(31:15):
send you back a signed picture of me. And I
got thousands of signed pictures from people to Kevin uh
and and it was it was a lot of fun.
I then I sent them a headshot back. I kind
of destroyed the game at the end. I was like, Okay,
well this is what you want, so I'm gonna I'm
gonna send that. But I had a lot of fun

(31:35):
doing that. So I would say I did a lot
of my Space sing I don't think that's a word,
and um, and I paid bills because I thought I
would get on an online you know, bill pay thing,
and I would like pay bills because I was like, oh, well,
these documents look like financial documents, and I'm an accountant, right,
so it's very realistic that I'm shuffling around my bills

(31:56):
and paying them on set at work. So there you go.
That was what I would do on my computer. Uh.
Daniel Gutierrez says, hi, dad who chose this comment? Well, Hi, Daniel.
I didn't know you existed, but it's good to know
that you do. I hope you're doing well in life

(32:18):
and reach out when you're when you're thirty five. Uh oh,
we have a one star review from gold hohore, gold whore.
I don't know how else I could pronounce that on
the Apple Podcasts app with the following comment, one star

(32:39):
review not what I thought. I thought it was work related.
Now wait a second. You listen to the podcast and
thought this was about a deep dive into working at
an office? Gold horror? My friend? Did you? Did you
read the description? Because I'm pretty sure in the description

(33:00):
it should be clear that this would not be about
working in an actual office. But I'm sorry you were.
You were dissatisfied. Katie O zero zero one oh a
five star review on Apple Podcasts. Love this podcast. I
love it, But just play the whole podcast? Why do

(33:20):
you need to break it up? Trying to remember past
episodes will be kind of annoying. I listened to Rogan
for three plus hours. Thanks well, Katio zero zero one.
Thank you for the question. We've We've gotten this question
quite a bit. Why are we breaking up and releasing
Part one? Part two for some of the people we interviewed. Well.

(33:42):
The reason why is we've structured this podcast as a
deep dive into the office, so we have subjects or
sections themes. For example, we've started with the origin section,
which is the beginning of the show, bringing the show
from Ricky and Stephen from the UK to the US

(34:02):
casting the pilot. How difficult it was for the show
to stay on the air it's first couple of seasons,
and so some of the interviews that were particularly long,
we wanted you to hear from those people when we
did our deep dive into that subject. So as we
move on to other subjects like the camera as the

(34:23):
character when we talk about Steve Correll leaving, some of
the parts of those interviews fit better in those sections.
So we're not trying to torture you by only releasing
a part of the interview. You will hear Part two
is very very soon, But that's the reason that we
have structured it this way. We're trying to tell a story,

(34:44):
a narrative through all of these interviews, so you really
get a deep dive into the office. Andrew Montavan asks,
did the office, like the physical set become a home
for you guys. I have seen so many bloopers and
so many things of you guys just enjoying yourselves and

(35:04):
each other. It must have been ours anyway, big fan
of the show, the podcast, and anything the office. UM,
thank you very much, Andrew. And yes, I mean what
a lot of people don't know, which we haven't discussed
so much in the podcast, is for that one half
hour of television you know on NBC with commercials was

(35:27):
really twenty two minutes that you see on TV. We
generally would be at the office sixty to seventy hours
a week. I mean those that was the amount of
time that it took to get those twenty two minutes
for an episode, and we would shoot one episode in
a week. So yes, it looked like a home because

(35:49):
it was for a while. And that's one of the
things that made it unique about other shows because of
the way the show was shot. We were all there
so much. You actually it's like the star of the
show might be their sixty to seventy hours in a week,
and everyone else kind of comes in and does their
scenes and then they leave. We were all there. But
I think that's one of the things that gave us

(36:12):
UM the truly special bond that we have, Ahmed Skywalker Rights, Hi,
tomorrow is my birthday. Can you say happy birthday to me? Ahmed,
Happy birthday? Uh? This next post I am told got

(36:32):
a number of likes who used to laugh the most
during the scenes and was it hard to control the laughter?
Samuel big Fan from Brazil Mindy Kaling that that that
Mindy Kaling, and I think she would own up to that. Um.

(36:55):
But I will answer this in another way. The person
who was known as the one who laughed the least,
Oscar Nunius. He has the greatest dead pan and it
is really hard, very very difficult to break him, that's
for sure. Maybe in the scene the Gay witch Hunt,

(37:16):
Steve finally got him and occasionally he would laugh. But
but Oscar Nunius was um. He laughed the least, and
I I had a difficult time myself, I'll be honest,
Cassidy Rights. I drive all day for work as a
medical career, and I've really enjoyed listening to your podcast
while working. It helps the day go by faster and

(37:38):
makes sitting in traffic a little less boring. Well, Cassidy,
thank you one for the work that you're doing. Right now,
which is so important, uh and crucial. And you know,
by the way, if there's one good thing that has
come out of this this hot circle of garbage they

(37:59):
call a global pandemic, it is the appreciation that all
of us now have, or certainly should have for the
people who are working on the front lines, um, nurses, doctors,
medical couriers, those who are doing important things that keep
us safe. So thank you, Cassidy. And I'm glad that
I can make sitting in traffic a little less boring. Uh.

(38:20):
A lot of questions here I am told about Well,
of course my chili, or specifically Kevin's famous chili. Uh.
A lot of likes. On the next question, hey Zeus,
Mendez says, how many batches of chili were made when
Kevin brought in the chili and dropped it? And how

(38:40):
many times did you have to shoot that cold open? Well,
I'm tremendously proud of this, hey Zeus, so I will
answer it. Um. I assume they had three batches of chili,
because I remember very specifically the set dressing UM props
people coming to me like not wanting to tell the

(39:02):
bosses or the producers or whatever they were like coming
to me kind of back channeling and saying like, okay,
the biggest issue was the carpet, right, So they had
gigantic pieces of carpet that they had laid out over
the floor, and they came to me and they were like, Brian,
we have three pieces of carpet. And I mean by
giant piece of carpet, I mean from the front door

(39:23):
all the way past the reception desk over to like
the we called it the gem and Dwight pod of
desks there um. And they were like, we have three
pieces of carpet, so we I mean, we can't do
any more than that. I got it in one I'm
a I'm a one taker. I don't think that makes sense,
but I here's the thing. There were three pieces of carpet,

(39:45):
but there was only one of me, and so they
had thought about cleaning the carpet. I don't know that
anyone really understood what was going to happen to me.
When I was done, I mean, my hands were kind
of stained right like they weren't they were it was
not a natural color. And that day I might have
showered with five people. I mean there might have been
five people in there. I mean from wardrobe and makeup

(40:08):
and hair people. I mean, I was like striping. I'm
not to get to graphic here, but like taking off close.
I was such a mess. And if we had not
gotten it in that one take, I don't know. I
don't know what we would have done if we would
have had to just come back the next day. But thankfully, um,
thankfully we got it and well that moment. I mean truly,

(40:31):
I cannot believe what has happened to the more. I
never imagined in my wildest dreams that I would be
talking about chili um all of these many years later. Uh.
Jason Swimmer, Sorry again, I apologize if I'm if I'm
missed pronouncing the names. My name is Jason, and I'm
a podcaster too. It would be awesome if you could

(40:53):
shout me out. Well, there you go, if I said
your name right, Oh Schwimer, Schwimer, that's it. Actually he did.
He did give his own pronunciation, Jason Schwimer. Um. Good
luck to you, my friend. Grant Bain says, thank you
for this podcast. What are your thoughts on the theory? Oh,

(41:14):
here we go, that Kevin is a secret genius who
is running an embezzlement operation at the company and he
uses that money to buy the bar in the finale episode.
It's one of my favorite theories. Okay, So I used
to get asked this all the time when I did
Q and Ice, and I finally went down the dark,
dark rabbit hole, which is is redditum, which is fun,

(41:39):
but you don't want to get caught down there. And
I started reading these feeds and people how they from
small moments, how they had concocted this idea that Kevin
is a secret genius was so amazing to me. I
can only tell you that was not that was not
in our thoughts. I'm sorry to say that, and it
was certainly was not in mind playing it now. Maybe

(42:01):
Greg Daniels would answer differently, but I think I think
the idea is amazing and and in point of fact,
speaking of deleted scenes, the idea of in part behind
Kevin's Bar, I will share this. Here's a here's a
new thing for you, here's a new what do we
call them, I don't know, never before heard moments. So

(42:25):
the idea from Greg in the series finale was that
Kevin became a fan favorite once the the fictional documentary
started airing. Kevin was a fan favorite, and everywhere he
went people would buy him drinks. And there was a
bar that he would go to and people would buy
him drinks. This it's something like this, and part of

(42:48):
it was based on my own experience, by the way,
like in life. So he had gotten a gigantic credit
tab because he couldn't consume all the rings he was
offered at this bar, which was partly how he obtained
the bar. I think it was something like that, but
that was part of the idea, was that Kevin became

(43:09):
a huge fan favorite once the fictional documentary aired. Um
Emily Lemkey, Emily from Kansas. I sometimes think about where
the characters would be today. Where do you think Kevin
would be still at dunder Mifflin Married. Well, let me
tell you, Emily, what I hope is that Kevin is

(43:32):
still sitting at that bar and he is really really happy.
That's what I imagine him where he is and what
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(46:01):
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or wherever you get your podcasts. Angelo rights not to
get too negative, but I'm genuinely curious what was truly

(46:25):
the most stressful or emotionally tasking time or moments for
all of you as a cast. Angelo from Buffalo, New York. Oh,
I don't know that that's negative. Listen. I I'm gonna
answer this in two ways. I don't know how you
intended it. But the first couple of years, as we

(46:46):
have discussed and will continue to discuss in this podcast,
when the show was truly almost canceled. There's we're not
exaggerating this, like we truly thought we were out of
a job number of times over the first two years,
including after we filmed the pilot, so before anything was
on TV. That was very stressful, um and very emotionally

(47:12):
difficult for us in terms of on set activities. Difficult.
I'm sure everyone would have a different answer. Minus the fire,
not the fake fire drill, but the fire. When Ryan
started the fire, we were shooting that it was supposed
to be fall and scranted and we had on coats

(47:33):
and in that parking lot in in Van Nuys, California,
it was about a hundred and ten degrees and that
one was that one was not fun. Ryan Spady says,
why use big word when small word do trick? Ryan,
do you mean why waste time say a lot word

(47:56):
when few word do trick. I think that's what you mean.
Benny spi Whack Oh. Writer and producer Benny spi Whack,
from an Oral History of the Office, writes Greg Daniels
said he always looked to you for a button. What's
your favorite one? Yes, So I was tremendously proud that

(48:20):
Greg brought this up in my interview with him, that
oftentimes at the end of a scene, um, nothing funny
would be happening, like there would be an important reason
that we would need to have a scene in for
the story of an episode. But you know, in comedy,
you you often want to end a scene on a button.
And so Matt Sone and Randall Ironhorn, the camera people

(48:42):
would would at times look to me and I would
try to give them a button. What was my favorite one?
I'm not exactly sure. I think it would relate to
the episode with Kevin saying, what does a bean mean?
There was something very funny about that, and I think
it was script did once what does a bean mean?

(49:02):
Because Kevin got no beans and other people had beans
and this was very concerning to him. Uh, And I
think I ended up saying that and ended the scene
with that button. What does a bean. Mean, I'm going
with that right now, Ella Hendrickson rights, this is Ella here, Hi, Ella.

(49:22):
Who would you describe as the unsung heroes of the Office. Wow,
that is a great question. Um. Phil Shay, who was
our prop master, He was an unsung hero of the
Office for sure. The amount of props that were written
into the show and that just existed on the set

(49:43):
of the Office that were needed in particular episodes, sometimes
very obscure objects that were difficult to find. He is
a true unsung hero of the show. Um. Now they've
both gone on to great success. I've mentioned them before,
but Matt Son and ran to Ironhorn. The guys who
were holding the cameras, I mean, that is tremendously difficult work,

(50:05):
and they were generally just held on the shoulders, um,
and sometimes for long periods of time where we would
shoot and go back and improv and I physically demanding work.
But but not just that, the degree of care that
they showed for how the show was shot, and really

(50:27):
viewed themselves as a character trying to find the right
story as a documentarian would. Um, those things are difficult
to write, they're difficult to direct. But those guys just
got it. So even though they have great success, now
uh someone appreciates them, I would consider them unsung heroes
of the office for sure. Julian Go Tiangko Rights. I'm

(50:53):
sure I missed that up, Hi Briant, huge fan. This
is Julian. My favorite episode is the Niagara Falls episode.
My question is who in the writer's room came up
with the idea for Kevin to wear Kalenix tissue boxes
as shoes after his shoes were incinerated. Another fan, Rebecca Morrow, asked,

(51:13):
were they hard to walk in? Where they custom fit
to your feet? It's one of my favorite scenes of
all time. Well, I I will tell you I if
I'm at a fan event or a college or something,
I am always amused with people who come up and
are wearing tissue box shoes because I know that it's
really not comfortable. It's they're really they're they're not comfortable.

(51:36):
And I will tell you actually, when we for John
Krasinski's show during the pandemic Some Good News, we did
a wedding and he came to all of us and
asked us to appear, and I was like, well, I
have to have tissue box shoes on right, I'm attending
these people's weddings. Let's let's do it. I couldn't find
any big enough, so I don't actually know. I have

(51:58):
intended to go back and ask Phil Shay props, like
where did you find these? Maybe they were like Costco
Sam's Club supersized clean xboxes. I don't know, but I
couldn't find any um that that fit me. Yeah there
and again not comfortable. Uh wolf calm Oh five star

(52:20):
review on Apple Reviews writes, I'm going down, yelling Timber
and I want to swim in this amazing earhole candy
until I'm old and wrinkly. Wow. Maybe my favorite comment
or review of all time ere anything that mentions earhole

(52:41):
candy and I'm going down yelling Timber. Well, that works
for me. Breezy Benna on Apple Podcasts, uh five star
review again, thank you, great job. I love both podcasts,
The Office Ladies and this one as well. They did
such a wonderful job giving us multiple points of views

(53:02):
and even deeper dives into such a great show. Now
I have two podcasts to look forward to, Uh Breezy Benna.
I couldn't agree more. And let me just say, if
you haven't checked out the Office Ladies podcast. Very they
don't sound like me. I know, it's very weird. Uh.

(53:22):
They have done a fantastic job going episode by episode,
examining and telling behind the scenes stories. Uh it's a
rewatch show and it's fantastic and so um my good
friends Jenna Fisher and Angela Kenzie gracious, even though they're
talking all the time on their podcast, they graciously agreed

(53:43):
to come and spend hours with me um talking about
the Office in a different way than even they do
on their podcast. So yes, um, please check that out
and thank you so much for listening here. Um. Whyatt
Stevens asks prior to your casting of Kevin, where were

(54:06):
you in your professional career as it pertains to film
and TV? If The Office never happened, do you believe
other projects could have kept you in the game? And lastly,
if I can, what's the best advice you could give
to one in entertainment? Wow? Great questions, Wyatt. Um. First

(54:26):
of all, I was a theater actor. I had graduated
from college and was traveling around as a regional theater actor,
doing very very uh small theaters and doing some large
ones as well. And I was traveling city to city
getting work where I could, and I decided to move

(54:47):
to Los Angeles. I felt like it was time. I'd
had a couple of experiences that that made me want
to pursue it, and I was fortunate enough. Um, just
a couple of months after coming to Los Angeles, I
met Alison Jones and Greg Daniels and was cast on
the Office. So for me, I was very new in

(55:07):
film and television. I had done a few guest star parts,
I had done a couple of commercials, um. But when
I was first seeing On the Office, I had not
done much film and television at all. And I feel
tremendously lucky one obviously to have met them and to
have found the right show for me at the right time. UM.

(55:33):
My advice for anyone wanting to be an entertainment is
consume material, watch material, practice your craft. You know. I
will say it was very lucky that I met Alison
Jones and Greg at the same time. I will say
I knew the British version of the Office, and I
knew the style worked well for me. I knew they

(55:54):
were looking for unknown people. So I actually pursued this job,
and if I hadn't been watching other television, or studying
what was being released, what the styles were that were
being released that appealed to me in my specific sensibilities
and strengths. I would not have pushed as hard for
this show. So it was timing. It was great timing

(56:16):
I was in Los Angeles. But also I watched things,
even things that I didn't like or appreciate. I watched
them because I felt like I needed to know what
was out there in order to to work in the business.
So thank you. Um, Kathy Chevalier wait wait wait or

(56:36):
Chevalier potato Potato? Do any cast members hope to do
a sort of reunion show in the future. Has anyone
pitched any ideas? Um? We have discussed it quite a lot.
I believe it is certainly possible. There are some ideas

(56:58):
that have been circulated it amongst email and text chains,
but I am not at liberty to discuss that. I
will answer any questions about anything that's happened in the past.
As for the future, I will only say, oh, I
think some people would love to do that, and I've

(57:18):
heard rumblings of some ideas of it, So here you go. Sorry.
I know that's definitely not as satisfying. But um, but yes,
it is discussed on occasion. Dr Pickens rights, who in
the cast would be the best at hide and seek?

(57:39):
Quick answer would be Angela because she's the smallest. Uh.
Dwight is the craftiest. Kevin would be terrible. And yeah,
I'm gonna go with Angela because what as Michael says,
at one point, she could hide behind a grain of rice,

(58:01):
so they're probably way more options for her to hide
than anyone else. So let's go with Angela. She's the
best at hide and seek. All right, thank you all
for all of those questions. Those were amazing. Uh And
now I'm told, I'm told we have another very special
guest joining us now, a man of mystery and intrigue. Oh,

(58:26):
Mr Terry Carnation. Hello, Terry, you're a you're a big
fan of the Office. I am the Office is number
one fan. Thank you for having me on your show. Kevin, Oh,
it's Bryant's Brian. But that's fine, It's easily sure it is.

(58:47):
I have seen all fourteen episodes at least twenty seven times. Um, Terry,
I think there's like two four episodes of the show. Yes, there,
it's magnificent. I love the show. I love I love offices.
I love office buildings. You know, I feel like offices

(59:12):
and people who work in them are disrespected and it's
the backbone of the American economy, and so I love
all the drama. But I do have some questions about
the show. For you, great, I would Yes, that's what
we're doing today, And thank you for having me on
behalf of all the all the big fans of the
office out there, thank you for having me of course. Um,

(59:37):
of all of the characters in the accounting department, who
would you say is most likely possessed by biel zabab Um? Well,
I'm definitely not Angela. That's that's for sure. I know,
I mean, I I mean I haven't seen I haven't

(59:57):
seen the show, but she seems fiery, feisty in a
way that that could suit the dark Lord's purposes. You
haven't seen the show. I've seen the show so many times, um,
that it feels like I've never seen the show before.
But I am. I am the biggest possible fan. Oh well,
thank you, yeah, I Um, I don't we'll sak Kevin.

(01:00:19):
We'll thank Kevin was possessed by Bee. That's you. Yes,
I'm interesting, he would be the Yeah, m hmm. Which
of the salesman do you think is most likely to
have been abducted by aliens? I? Um, probably Dwight. Who

(01:00:40):
would probably be Dwight, Dwight screwed Dwight, Dwight shrewd. Do
you know Dwight? You know the character Dwight? Yes, ridiculous looking,
bombastic gentleman. Yes? Interesting? Interesting? And in which of the
which of the cast members of the office uh might

(01:01:02):
have seen Bigfoot or any cryptid lochness monster. Terry, I don't,
I don't think. I don't. I don't know where these
questions are coming from this seam. They'd seem totally not
on the point of what we're doing today. I'm so sorry.
I appreciate you being a fan and at the same
time feel as though you've never seen the show. Okay,

(01:01:23):
I'm going to come clean. I've never seen your stupid show.
But I am Terry Carnation. I am the philosopher of
the paranormal and I have a podcast that is launches
in April one um where all fine podcasts are found.
If if anyone out there has concerns about demons alien abductions,
lizard people, Bigfoot, another cryptids. Um, please tune in Dark

(01:01:49):
Air with Terry Carnation as I guide you on a
journey through the unimaginable, through the unexplained, through the mysterious, fantastic.
Thank you dark behind your pathetic right Okay, thank you
at Workplace Comedy Okay, and join me on a fascinating journey.

(01:02:11):
Thank you, Terry. Dark Air with Terry Carnation available well
wherever you get your podcasts if that's your thing. Thank
you so much for joining us. I e wasting our
time here today. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you God. That guy sounds like Rain Wilson. Did

(01:02:34):
you guys, that guy sounds like Rain Wilson. That's unbelievable.
People are unbelievable. Anyway, Um, folks, that was it. I'm
sorry it ended so weirdly. That's what That's what he
said at conclude. That's yet the end our sweet sixteen celebration.

(01:02:57):
Thank you so much. Do all of you accept Terry,
Thank you for listening. Thank you for participating in this
week's episode. We're gonna do it again sometime, so keep
the questions and the comments a rolling. As they say
in the meantime, We're gonna be back Tuesday next Tuesday
at our regularly scheduled time. The word regularly is a

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difficult word to say. Another interview, this time Kevin Riley. Now, guys,
this is the person who was there from the very
beginning and is the reason that The Office was on television.
I cannot wait to share that with you. Until then,
have a wonderful week everyone. The Office Deep Dive is

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hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our
executive producer Langley. Our producers for this very special episode,
we're Malie Carr, Diego Tapia, Liz Hayes, Tessa Kramer, and
Ryan Zachary. My main man in the booth is Alec Moore.
Our theme song Bubble and Squeak, performed by my great

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friend Creed Bratton, and the episode was mixed by seth Olandsky. Hello, well,

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who's this? Oh? No, you see? Oh look it's Andy Dalton.
Hi Andy. Oh listen you guys. Uh, I'm sorry, Uh Aaron,
apparently there I'm told there's another super fan who is
on the line. Uh, Terry Carnation, Is that is that you?

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I'm still here even left? Thanks to the double booked
me too. I apologize I I didn't double this. This
was unexpected. Uh Terry Carnation are you are you there?
I am, yes, I am. Thank you for having me.
I'm the biggest fan of of you, Kevin and and
uh Brian Mr Rogers, Um, I love I love sports,

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especially hockey, and it's great just to meet you both.
Is this is this a call in show? Brand? It
is a calling podcast? Now? Well, no, it's not a calling.
We're we're having, We're sharing with this is with the
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