The Season with Peter Schrager: Arizona Cardinals OC Drew Petzing

Fresh off Kyler Murray’s heroic return to the football field, Peter welcomes in his first year OC Drew Petzing. Petzing details the work Murray has done to get back to the field and his incredible performance in Sunday’s win over Atlanta. Petzing’s story is awesome; sidelined with an injury as a college sophomore, he never gave up the dream of being involved with football. Fifteen years later, he’s one of the youngest play callers in the sport. Peter also discusses the Ken Dorsey firing in Buffalo, Baltimore’s late game struggles, and Houston’s storybook season. 

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
The Season with Peter Schreeger is a production of the
NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. Welcome everybody to another episode
of the Season with Peter Schreger. We are now entering, Aaron,

(00:28):
what is this week eleven?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
We're entering We just finished ten and we're going into
week eleven.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Oh my god, the season is flying by. On Sunday
there were five games decided in the final seconds by
a field goal attempt, and on Monday night there was
another one. I am Peter Schrager. I am your host
of this podcast. I picked Sean Payton to be the
NFL's Coach of the Year before the season, I picked
the Broncos to make the playoffs. The Broncos were one

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and five at one point, having lost to the Jets
at home, and then very quietly they beat the Packers,
they beat the Chiefs. The trade deadline arrives, they don't
trade off Patrick's tan, they don't trade off Portland Sutton,
they don't trade off Jerry Judy, they don't trade anyone.
And they just quietly sit there and say, you know what,

(01:15):
we're gonna play. And then they beat the Buffalo Bills,
the Denver Broncos are four and five, folks, So that's
the Broncos. But as we're recording this, we just got
news that a former guest of the season with Peter Schuger,
when things were looking a little better and the sky
was the limit, Ken Dorsey, has been fired by the

(01:39):
Buffalo Bills. And Aaron Wan Kaufman, as my dear friend,
my partner in crime on this podcast, as my producer,
and as a diehard Buffalo Bills fan, I'm going to
give you the floor. Ken Dorsey season on the brink,
fired after a week ten loss on Monday Night? Does

(02:00):
that change things? What is the status of the Bills
fan As we are just getting this information, I.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Think Bill's fans are confused and have been confused because
they've been calling for Dorsey's head for weeks. I mean,
I think there have been a lot of games where
it seems like the offense should be doing a lot better,
and for all the injuries the defense has suffered, like

(02:26):
the offense should still be doing well. And I mean
last night I actually thought with Tavius Murray was running well.
James Cook got benched, but he came back in with
a vengeance, and like Cook, and Kincaid were doing a ton,
don't I don't know. I don't know if this fixes anything.
I don't know what this does to the offense. I
don't know what they do. I don't know how they

(02:47):
recapture the magic of the day ball offense two years ago. Like,
I don't know. This is rough. It's a rough last
night and then a rough day to day. And to
think that they're gonna have to install something new in
a week and play the Jets a really tough defense
that they already lost to is horrible.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, item and it seems fresh, and yet you can't
be shocked considering the offense. It takes such a step back.
They haven't been the same offense since twenty twenty one,
if we're being honest. You know, Brian Dabole and Josh
Allen had that miracle season. Allen was unbelievable finished I
believe second in the MVP last year. Took a step back, obviously,

(03:25):
and I think a lot of us said, well, they
were rolling, and then the DeMar Hamlin thing happened, and
the travel issues happened and it was just too much
to overcome. Well, it never has gotten going this year,
so Dorsey. It's his job. He loses his job, and
that's a shame. I like Ken, He'll be okay, he'll
figure something out. But as of last year, I mean
I'm talking in January, he was interviewing for head coaching jobs.

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So that's the NFL, and that's what we do in
the season. We try to track you through the lives
of these coaches and just how turbulent it really is.
In January he was interviewing to be the head coach
of the Carolina Panthers, and we are now in November
and he has fired and out of work. That is
a wild ride, and yet it is not uncommon in

(04:07):
the world. That is the NFL. As we go to
the Bills, I will say Von Miller was one hundred
and twenty million dollars signing. Didn't see much of him
last night. Gabe Davis, I've been hearing about as a
number one wide receiver. Didn't see much of him last night.
Stefan Diggs was not tearing it up last night. And
you could blame the coaching and the coach did just
lose his job and he's got to go back to
his wife and kids and say, hey, we're out of work.

(04:28):
We got to figure something out. I think everyone now
this is a call to arms, and it's say, hey,
we're five and five. If the playoffs were today, we
are out of this thing. We're not a part of it.
And Aaron, I'm not sure if he looked at the schedule.
They play the Jets, yes, but then the schedule gets
really crazy. They play the Eagles, Okay, then they have

(04:50):
a bye and they play the Chiefs and then they
play the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Your thoughts, it's so it looks so bleak.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Okay, as frustrated as you are, and as like I
live with a Ravens fan. She happens to be my wife.
Parents have been season ticket holders of the Baltimore Ravens
since they moved back to Baltimore. My father in law
has never missed a Baltimore Super Bowl, going back to
nineteen sixty nine when he went to the Orange Bowl
to see the Colts play the Jets. In person, I

(05:21):
think Ravens fans at seven to three might be even
more frustrated than Bills fans at five and five. The
Ravens have the craziest season right now, where they absolutely
trash opponents, they blow them out and they have three losses,
and all three of those losses have been inexplicable fourth
quarter collapses against the Steelers, the Colts, and then this
most recent one against the Browns at home, where there

(05:43):
are fourteen points in the fourth quarter and they somehow
give the game away even with the Browns missed extra point.
The stat that we gave on Good Morning Football yesterday
that my producer Rich Goldberg came to me in the
morning was like, you gotta go with this. Of the
top five teams to have the most time spent with
a lead through ten games in a season, five four

(06:06):
of those teams were ten and oh and went to
the Super Bowl. The fifth is the seven and three
Baltimore Ravens, meaning they have led by they have led
every game, and they have led the most amount of
time in not only this NFL season, but one of
the top five seasons of all time. And yet they're
not ten and oh, they're not nine to one, they're

(06:26):
not eighting two, they're seven and three. They lose in
the end. So which we had the conversation and today
on Good Morning Football is like, well, the good in
that is that like you're in it till the very end,
and that like you could tighten that up. The bad
in that is that, well, why can't you close? Why
can't you close? And this goes back not only Lamar
but Harball questions. And you know, I had my friend

(06:47):
Jeremy on in the offseason who was a blistering take
on the Ravens and how this whole decade since they
went to the Super Bowl and beat the forty nine
ers in twenty thirteen, this whole decade has just been
one missed opportunity after another. And he points to the
coach a lot of times in the GM, Well, they're
seven and three, and they're in first place in a
lot of ways in the AFC. Now, of course the

(07:08):
Chiefs and then we'll figure it out as far as
tiebreakers go when it's all said and done. But like
the Ravens to not be eight and one or nine
and one right now, that's a great disappointment. So it's
almost like you have these two teams that everyone was
high on. Then you have the Bengals, who last week
were all crowning Louenn and Rumo comes on the podcast.
I'm talking about how this guy's going to be the
next head coach of the NFL. Well, they're five and

(07:30):
four out of the playoff all right now, which leads
to an AFC team. I'd like to talk about Aaron
the Houston freaking Texans five and four. If the playoffs
were to start today, the Houston Texans would be in
the dance. CJ. Stroud has been amazing. He's got every
record you can imagine as far as rookie quarterbacks go

(07:51):
throughout their first ten weeks of an NFL season. He's
steady Eddy. He does not waiver. And for the second
straight week, we had his GM on last week Nick Cassario,
go find the podcast episode. It was exquisite. It was wonderful.
Nick was great. He was even better this week. He
was even better than last week. He threw four to
seventy and five touchdowns. This one he threw a bad

(08:11):
pick and then bounced back, which I love. Throws the
bad pick. Bengals Cameron Taylor Britt takes it all the
way back, They hold them, they get a field goal.
It makes it a tie game. And he's got to
go eighty yards and somehow some way win this thing.
And guess what, he goes drives him the whole length
of the field, they kick the field goal to win it,

(08:31):
and they walk off champions of the game after beating
a very good, red hot Cincinnati Bengals team in the jungle,
which is a really hard place to play. I was
supposed to question, do I think their contenders? I say yes,
because they're in the dance right now. But also it's
not just rookie quarterback, first year coach, rookie wide receiver

(08:52):
and electricity with all this new young energy. The guys
on that team, Shaq Griffin has played in a lot
of big games. Shaq Mason's played in a lot of
big games. Robert Woods has played in a lot of
big games. Sheldon Rankins has played in a lot of
big games. Jerry Hughes on that team, Jerry Hughes on
the Colts with like Peyton mana like Jerry Hughes has
been in big games. They have veterans all over the lineup.
And if you're thinking about an org chart, and you're

(09:13):
not necessarily thinking about a football team, but you're thinking
about a company, and they're different departments. You've got hr,
you've got accounting, like they have young superstars that are
the equivalent of the Ivy League guys that are coming
right out of college with their great NBAS, but they
also have guys who've worked with the company and worked
at other very successful companies for five years, six years,

(09:34):
seven years. I love the fact that Tank Dell and
Nico Collins have Robert Woods in that room. I love
the fact that CJ. Stroud comes out after practice and
he talks to case Keenum, who played an NFC championship game.
Love what Houston's doing, and I don't think it's a fluke.
They're out playing teams and their defenses gone from a
historically bad defense from last year to being one of
the best in the league this year.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Question for you about the Texans, Yeah, do you think
this is kind of a hot take? Do you think
they could win out their schedule?

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Storry Bill Simmons, We're not We're not a been Bill
Simmons right here. This is very cousin salon. Bill Simmons.
Do you want to talk about the All NBA third
point card next?

Speaker 3 (10:12):
We can.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's only five weeks. It's only five weeks into the
NBA season.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
We can.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Stroud exists on your Nbay. Yeah, but they have Cardinals
this week, they have Jags, the week after.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
That's a huge one.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Huh.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
They already beat the Jags once, right.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
And then the Broncos and then at Jets, at Titans
against the Browns that's the Christmas Eve, that's the big one,
and then Titans and then it Colts.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, of course they can do it.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
That's I was not expecting from talking about, like the
Bills schedule that looks so bleak and dour. The Texans
have a nice end of season run. What's coming up?
I think?

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Do you know why I love doing this podcast with you?

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (10:52):
You just dropped the word dour, bleaking dour? Is that
a word? Do you mean? Dire? Is dour a word?
Let's google that. I love that.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Let's get down relentlessly severe, stern or in manner or appearance?

Speaker 1 (11:08):
The hell yes, Bro, that's the perfect word. All right.
The Bills have a dour schedule. The Texans. What's an
antonym to Dower? Type in antonym dower? What do we get?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
I want to find the most exciting one.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
We don't want to We don't want a thesaurus. We
don't need that.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
We want an antonym the Houston gentle pleasant.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
I like gentle Houston Texans have a gentle schedule coming up.
That's fantastic. H I love the NFL. It's wide open.
I don't think anyone had the Texans or the Broncos
like a couple of weeks ago, and here we are
and another team that I don't think anyone was like
legitimately considering as like a team, the Indianapolis culture very quietly.
Five and five they beat a terrible Patriots team in Germany,

(11:52):
and they're right there. I had a rare Sunday off.
Aaron Fox sent uh the Fox NFL Sunday Show, the
Big Dogs, Kurt Gronk and Strahan and Howie Long and
Jimmy Johnson and Glazer. They sent them to the Air

(12:14):
Force Academy. As an annual tradition, they go to a
different veteran spot, whether it be West Point or the
Naval Academy or a military base overseas. This year they
went to the Air Force Academy. Grounk jumped out of
a plane and was live for the jumping in. It
was actually great television. It was fantastic. But I got
a chance to sit on my ass and watch TV

(12:34):
like most Americans do. And I gotta tell you guys
got it pretty good. That one o'clock window was unbelievable,
all these games coming down to the wire at the end,
Brown's Ravens Bengals. And then I'm like, all right, so
what do people do after that one o'clock window ends?
They probably use the four o'clock window. And then the
Lions Charger starts, and you're like, all right, we're another

(12:55):
shootout and Seahawks commanders, and then right into the Sunday
night game. The NFL is in a great place, and
I'm looking at the primetime games that are coming up
this week. Could you bring those up real quick on
the schedule, because I think a month of oh, I
would have circled this week and been like it's forgettable.
But Thursday night we have Bengals at Ravens, both teams
on the brink right now coming off bad losses. The

(13:17):
what's the Sunday night game? I think it's Vikings versus Broncos,
which suddenly becomes an awesome game. And then Monday Night
is Eagles Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Hello, yeah, this is it's this week in particular, I
think is going to be just three back to back
great night games.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Unbelievable. And then we have the Thanksgiving slate. We're there, baby,
We're there. We turned the corner quickly. Some other news
and notes. I read another book, Henry Winkler's memoir.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Oh the Fun The Fonds.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I'd say, out of a five, if Stamos was a
five out of five, Winkler's a four out of five.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Okay, still pretty good.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Winkler a lot of daddy issues, goes deep into it.
It's got some stuff with the dad. I didn't know
that going in. Wink just a wonderful soul. Talks about
his career going and kind of in a rut post
Happy Days, trying to figure out he was a producer
on mcguiver. Did you know that?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Oh well, I was actually as you were talking about him,
I was trying to think. But obviously Fonds is like
a cultural touch point, and I was like, what is
the next thing I remember him in besides Arrested Development.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
I'll give it to you water Boy. He plays the
coach Adam Sandler like saved his career. Adam Sandler puts
him in the water Boy. He's also a night shift
which is interesting, which I loved with Michael Keaton in
the early ages. Is Ron Howard's like first major studio film,
and Ron Howard of course worked with him as Richie Cunningham.
But you know, in the height of Happy Days, he's

(14:44):
doing Night Shift, a movie he's like, you know, before
Michael J. Fox was doing Family Ties and Back to
the Future and all the other movies that he was in.
It was kind of like Winkler. But then he has
this long rut and like it's it's very frustrating for him,
and his wife is just like super supportive but also
like you are a complete narcissist, and then he has
to pull himself out of it. Sandler throws him a

(15:06):
few boks. He does come of that stuff, and then
you're right arrested development. But then the big one is Barry,
where forty years after being nominated for an Emmy for
his role as the Fawns, he wins for his role
on Barry and it's like this cool, like, you know,
it's a Hollywood life story that this is a nice
guy from New York City who you know, was banging around.

(15:28):
He went to Yale for a grad degree in acting,
like was a real thespian, and they got typecasted as
the Fawns and then had to crawl out of that
over thirty forty years and then gets it. I think
it's a really good book. I think it's great for
a plane ride. As you know, I'm listening to audio
books to and from to and from now. Our dear
friend Paul Rudd and I were talking name drop, Paul

(15:52):
Rudd tells me last night at the Beacon Theater, he
was moderating an interview session with Geeddy Lee, the musician
from the band Rush, and because of his connection from you,
I Love You man like he's considered like, he's like,
he's like he had to read the book to like
front cover to cover, and then he moderated an hour

(16:15):
long panel session which is gonna be online of Paul
Rudd interviewing Geddy Lee at the Beacon Theater, which sounds incredible.
I do have a regret from last weekend. I was around.
It was New York Comedy week. I didn't get to
see any comedy. But Bill Burr performed, Sam Murrill performed
in New York, Tim Dillon performed. They all were out

(16:35):
here in New York, and of course I wasn't. I
wasn't there, all right, my phones ran because that's Mark
Dalton from the Cardinals. We've got an awesome guest coming
right up. Let's get him on as we speak. This
is Drew Petsing, who's the offensive coordinator of the Arizona Cardinals.
It had been eleven months since we had seen Kyler

(16:55):
Murray on a football field, and there on third and ten,
with the game on the line against a good Atlanta
Falcons defense, Kyler Murray did Kyler Murray things, and I
think a nation a sigh of relief knowing that not
only was Kyler back, but that the Cardinals were on
the right track. And his offensive coordinator with this new
coaching staff is a guy that I've been hearing about
for years. It's one of the bright young offensive mines

(17:17):
in the league, and I'm thrilled to have him on
the season with Peter Schrager. Mister Drew Petsing, Welcome to
the show, my man.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
Yeah, I appreciate Peter.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Thanks a lot, man, Dude, I love your story, I
love everything I've heard about you. But I'll be candid.
We don't have this great personal friendship goes back ten years.
I've just been hearing about you for a really long time.
As we head in towards week eleven, you're feeling about
the state of this quarterback position with Kyler now on
the field and you could finally run your offense with

(17:47):
Kyler Murray at the switch.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, it's exciting, I think, you know, certainly last you
know what two days ago. Last weekend was a big step,
you know, first time back on the field for him.
The emotions, the reality, the stress, the physical aspect of it.

Speaker 6 (17:59):
So it was exciting. It was stressful.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I thought he handled it really well and it was
great to see him go out and perform like that
because I know he capable of it. You know, certainly
when you go through an injury like that. The process
that he had to go to to put himself back
on the field, learn a new offense, you know, get
to know his teammates while not really playing for the
offseason in training camp was really excited for him and
for us, and it was a lot of fun. You know.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
The rap on Kyler going into the seasons, well, is
he going to be around? Is he going to be invested?
We don't know. How everything I've heard to him, Man,
this guy has been unbelievable in the building. While rehabbing.
What's been your impression of Kyler Murray just a few
months into working with him, since he got there back
in January.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah, I think you just hit on it. It was
impressive really from the get go. I mean to watch
the way that he attacked rehab. You know, I tore
my ICL my sophomore year of college. I know what
that rehab is like. Certainly, not at that level when
it's your job, it's your career, it's your livelihood. So
to just to watch the way he approached every day
in the training room on the field as he started
to get running again and then at the same time
learning a new system, learning a new language, learning a

(18:59):
new way of doing things, and he had to juggle
both of those in a very small amount of time.
And I thought he just did it with really such
convict in such focus and such drive.

Speaker 6 (19:08):
So it was it was fun to be a part
of it.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Do you see stuff in practice? I know we saw
that play on third and ten, and he played really
well on Sunday, But do you see stuff in practice
that you're like, all right, I've coached a lot of quarterbacks,
but this guy does that not a lot to do.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Absolutely, you know, when you get a guy of that
talent level. It's a couple times a day and no
matter even the little things where you're just you might
it might be a RVA period or warm ups where
you just kind of your head snatch, like in the
world was that? Because he does he does so many
things that very few people can do and does it
at such a high level consistently.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
It's impressive to walk.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, And did you think he would he would be
able to, you know, get the kitchen sinc thrown at
him in that first week. I didn't know if it
was gonna be like, here's five play, here's the Techmo offense,
you got four plays, Kyler, just don't hurt yourself. It
felt like, you guys, do the kitchen sink at him,
and he was able to do it in one hundred
percent full till we did.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
We really held nothing back. Honestly, A lot of that
was his confidence to me, you know, so like I
kind of went into it, especially in the off season
we're building it, just saying like, all right, let's see
what he can handle. Let's see what because realistically, you know,
you look at it and I said this to some
people last week, what a offenses look like the first
week of preseason, when they've had three months to get ready,
two weeks of nothing but practice, it's sloppy. Then when

(20:16):
it's eleven starters that have been together and doing it
for months. I mean this guy basically did for three weeks,
you know, physically, So that was my mindset. But he
kind of assured me the entire time. He's like, believe me,
when I hit the field, I will be ready. I
can handle it. Don't worry about it. And he never
swayed from that message. So it gave me the confidence
to say, hey, he feels good about it. You watch
him do it in practice. He handled it well, you

(20:37):
know during the week, So we really we really didn't
hold a lot back.

Speaker 6 (20:40):
I thought he handled it really well.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Now, before he got there, you had Dobbs, he had
Clayton Tune, Like was he involved in the week two
week game? And I think a lot of the questions
about Kyler is how invested is he with the you know,
Monday to Saturday stuff. Was he there helping them game
plan and kind of learning the playbook and getting it down.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Absolutely, I mean he in the meeting room, he's asking questions,
he's engaging with the other guys in that room. He's
he learned a ton from their reps, listening to the
questions they asked, watch their process in terms of how
Dobbs prepared, how Clayton prepared, the things that you know,
especially Clayton as a rookie, he might give him a
little piece of advice and say, hey, like, I see
why you're seeing it this way, this is how I
think about it. And it was fun to see that development,
that growth in his game and as a teammate. And

(21:18):
I think he helped the guys in that room, and
I think he also grew a lot from watching them
do it and learn the offense.

Speaker 6 (21:23):
And talk through some of the stuff that we went through.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Dude, I watched this Cardinals team, and I know you
guys only have two and it's not like you guys
are like the seventy six Steelers of the eighty five Bears.
I get it, But gosh, is there not a team
in the league that fights harder and seems to have
more fun and goes out there and plays like we
know that the talent necessarily isn't you know, the greatest
show on turfor but your boys are playing like what's
the vibe there in Arizona that every week, no one

(21:45):
has packed it in. If anything, the team is getting
better as the season goes on.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, and that's really been our focus since we got
here in April, when the first day the players showed up.
It's our goal is to get better every day, regardless
of outcome, regardless of score. Are you individually improving at
your job and coaching, playing organizationally? Are we doing the
things to make sure we're moving in the right direction, win, lose,
And I think that's the important thing. Like we came
in on Monday after the win on Sunday, it wasn't

(22:10):
any different than the week before after the Cleveland game.
It is, Hey, we won the game because we did
these things well, we could have lost the game.

Speaker 6 (22:17):
Because we need to improve in these areas. That's the focus.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Continue to play at a high level, continue to play
your asshole from an effort perspective, and we're going to
end up where we want to be and it's going
to take time. You know, it's not an overnight fix
when it's good or bad, and there's always room for improvement.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
I love your story personally. You're in your mid thirties,
you're one of the youngest play callers in the NFL.
Gannon's a defensive coach. Obviously, you guys come in, but
like you played in high school, you're the captain of
your team. You go to Middlebury, which I think of
historically as a lacrosse school if I'm being honest, like
that's a big lacrosse school. You're you're there, You're playing

(22:50):
defensive back. You get your career caught short by an injury.
And now, look, you're not an Alabama, ohiouse state. You're
at Middlebury and you still say, hey, I'm going to
pursue a life in football. When you hurt yourself and
you couldn't play football anymore in college and you're at
middle Bay. Are you a D three school? How do
you keep focused? How do you stay committed and say no, no, no,

(23:11):
but my football dream isn't necessarily over here. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
I think I had a lot of really good people
around me. I relied heavily on coach Ritter. You know
my father, you know people that I was close with
because the game has been has always been so important
to me. I love the sport, I love the scheme,
I love the relationships you build, just the whole process
of what football brings to your life. So when it
got taken from me, I missed it and it really
kind of like put me in a funk, like and
not that I lost a piece of my identity, but

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I really didn't have a direction, didn't know what I
wanted to do. And coach Ritter, who is the head
coach at the time, he just retired last year. You know,
I said, hey, can I help out? Can I stay
around the game? Can I help coach? It's something I
might be interested in. And he actually played with my father,
so he was like, I would love to let you
help out. He goes, but if you're a grade slip
at all, your dad is going to murder me.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
He's like, so, just where did you grow up, Drew?

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Are you Massachusetts guy?

Speaker 6 (23:59):
When I was seven?

Speaker 3 (24:00):
So it grew up just outside Boston and Wellesley, Massachusetts
and lived there most of my childhood. And so my
first year I volunteered in the fall. My junior year
didn't play, helped out on defense because I played safety
and just like fell in love with it, like you know,
a D three school. I think there was seven guys
on staff. Yeah, like as an eighth guy, you got
to be very involved. Like I was doing breakdowns, I

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got to coach, I was helping film practice, I was
doing film exchanges and just loved it. And then that
summer I did a business program at Dartmouth, the Tough
Business Bridge Program, and it was like an intensive business
course to look at finance and court.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
You know, all tell me you're a Buddy Steven's disciple
as well, are you?

Speaker 6 (24:38):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
OK.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
It was strictly from a school perspective, but it was
that contrast of like, all right, I could do this,
and I could go into banking or finance or you know,
or I could coach football. And I'm like, God, that
fall of football was one hundred times more enjoyable. And
I'm like, and if you can make money doing this,
I'm doing this. So it was kind of just put
all the eggs in that basket. Try to start to
meet people and get connected with people in different areas.
Learn everything I could from a coaching perspective, and I

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was very fortunate in my career early to be around
some great people that grew me, developed me, invested in me,
and taught me a lot about the business and helped
me with some great opportunity.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
So you see a light, you see football, you see joy.
Your first gig was in two thousand and nine. You
were a volunteer student assistant at Harvard. How does that happen?
And what was that role?

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, so it was kind of like, so, as I said,
so volunteer my junior year.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
I actually had enough credits.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
I didn't take any classes my senior year, and I
was going to volunteer and they had an open position,
so they ended up paying. I was a senior in college,
living off campus and not taking classes.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
Coaching football. It was like the truly the like. It
was the dreat like it it was the best.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
And and when school was coming to a close, it
was like, all right, I gotta start talking to people.
I got to find my next job. I want to
stay in football. I want to make this work. And
I just started kind of using the small connections I had.
And a family friend, Ben Bloom, who's the D line
coach now with the Browns, was an assistant D line
coach at Harvard from Wellesley, so from my hometown, and
I kind of he was one of the guys I
reached out to and he goes, hey, you know funny

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you called, he goes. We were talking to staff meeting
this morning. We're looking for an unpaid intern. You're not
going to make any money, but it's a great foot
in the door. And I kind of feel like coach,
you know, Murphy, who's still at Harvard, would let me
have pretty big say on who we bring in. Are
you interested? I said, if the job's there, I'll like,
I'm there tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
And so I went down there for the spring game
and met those guys, and then literally I graduated on Sunday.
I drove home Monday. I was in a staff meeting
Tuesday morning and worked there that first season, unpaid on defense,
and it was all, I mean, the amount of football
I learned, what I got exposed to, it was. It
was awesome.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
It's funny because Middlebury, if the listeners at home don't
like you go to I'm in We're in lowerman he
you go to Wall Street. Every other person is Harvard, Yale, Middlebury,
like all these and you could have had that walk.
You could have walked that walk. You're like, no football.
You go to b C to be an assistant, then
you end up at Yale. I imagine Middlebury, BC Yale, Harvard,
You're collecting people in your lives that, yes, football, but

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some of the most interesting people in the world who
are doing some crazy, big things right now.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
Yeah, as you said. And then mostly the players, the students.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
I mean it was like I remember talking to some
of the guys as they were graduated at Harvard and
the opportunities they were just you know, I was unpaid
and they're deciding to do I have this six figure
job with this bonus. I'm like, that money doesn't seem
real to me. I don't like the mind blowing to me.
The opportunities those guys had, obviously because of who they
are and what they were a part of.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
And but yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
It was. It was really great to get exposed to
those type people on so many different areas, so many
different levels.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Twenty thirteen, an NFL gig opens up your four years
into coaching and it's an intern with the operation side
of the Cleveland Browns. How does that come a bit
come to me? And was that Mike Petton? Was that
Kyle Shanahan? What team was that?

Speaker 3 (27:36):
So? Rob Chazinski was the head coach Chud it was
his first year. I'd never been in the NFL. I really,
I still don't exactly know, because I didn't know anybody
in the building.

Speaker 6 (27:46):
I believe Alex Shriner was the president.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
He'd just come over from Dallas, and Chud wanted to
hire those that New England position of like that. They
called it twenty for twenty, like you work twenty hours
a day, yep, for twenty grand the entire year.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
And but he never the Ravens. The Ravens do like
an actual ceremony about their twenty twenty guys. I'm always like, guys,
all right, sure, but there's like a long trichdition of
all those Ravens front office guys. They all walked that walk.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
Oh yeah, so and so they'd never had done it before.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
So I think what happened was, you know, Aleck had
just come from Dallas, where they had done the position.

Speaker 6 (28:17):
Chud had never done it. So Alex was like, Hey,
call a couple of these guys.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
And the guys that had done it at Dallas, Ben Bloom,
Dave Borgonzi, now with the Bears, were guys that I
worked with at Harvard when I was unpaid, And so
they called these guys and said, hey, what did you
make what did you do?

Speaker 6 (28:31):
What was your role?

Speaker 3 (28:32):
And they kind of answered the question said, hey, if
you're looking for a guy, there's a guy Yale who
would be a great candidate.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
I'm sure he'd love the opportunity. He'd give him a call.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
So I kind of got a call out of the blue,
and I was like, yeah, like absolutely, They're like, hey, look,
it's going to be a big pay cut because I Yale,
I had my first position job, I was hitting my
own hair job, I was coaching the outside linebackers, was
recruiting the West Coast, actually recruited Foyer Olakun.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Like he could be Yale killing it for the Jaguars.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Love watching him play because obviously got close with him
through the recruiting process. And I was like absolutely, like NFL,
if it's an opportunity, I'd love to take it, Like
don't really care what the role is, Like, let me
in the building and I'll figure it out.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
And went through the process.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
It was kind of a wild and I got snowed
in out there for like three days during my interview,
and on the third day, Chud was like, well at
this point, you basically just work here the job, So yeah,
and then kind of the rest was history. And at
that point I'd really only been on defense, Like I
played safety, played linebacker. Coach TV's at Middlebury, was a
defensive jay at Boston College, and so my first week there,

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Ray Horton was the defensive coordinator. I put his playbook
into visio from PowerPoint. I was like, I'm on defense.
And then Norv just like started yelling my name down
the hallway for random things like he'd want coffee or
a cut up, or he'd want to talk about something
he saw on social media, and like before the OTA started,
He's like, now you're on offense now.

Speaker 6 (29:45):
And I was like, okay, I'm on offense here.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
And I'm working with North Turner, hall of fame coach
who you know, Troy ik Vin swear Spy, Okay.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
Yeah, and he was, I mean, I can't. I could
go on about him.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
For I love North too.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
One of the best, right, absolute best person coach. I mean,
I probably owe ninety five percent of my career to
that guy. But just like he just took me under
his wing, put me on offense, sat in the you know,
they let me move around that first off season. I
jumped in the tight end room the receiver room, the
O line room, and then when the season started, I
was in the quarterback room with Norvin Chaine Steichen, who
was a quality control coach at the time. Yeah, I

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mean it was wild. It was a quick transition. But
those guys really they grew me as a coach. I
mean I'd never been on offense. I never called to
play in it. For me, like it was all new
to me, and they gave me the opportunity to learn
it and be a part of it, and obviously very
thankful for that.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
All Right, you're in your twenties. I assume at this
time you're single. You've got just like take me wherever
I got to go to do this job. The Minnesota
Vikings calling, you're there for an extended amount of time.
Who brought you to Minnesota was at NorVa.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
So yeah, And I can't say I was single because
my wife would get really mad at if she say, no,
you're good.

Speaker 6 (30:45):
We were no, here's five.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
It was like that's part of the hilarious, Like we
were long distance and so like I was moving and
she's like, what in the world are you doing? And
what do you do? Then do Yeah, like when I
got snowed in in Cleveland. She was coming to visit me.
She stayed in the I don't know if you remember
that massive storm we got in twenty twelve or twenty thirteen,
Like they had tanks through the streets of New Haven
because you couldn't get anywhere. Yeah, he got stuck in

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my apartment.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
I never saw her. She I got back before she
had to go back.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
I mean it was yeah, so I was the one
few honey.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, so we were when we got let go in Cleveland.
Uh No, I just stuck around him like until someone
literally kicks me.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Out of the.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Showing up of like I'll be operations, I'll be scouting,
I'll be coaching, like whatever it takes.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Not to interrupt. But that's what Sala said. He was
with Houston, and I guess Koobiak got fired. Dom Caper's
got fired, and Sala was like, no one told me
I didn't have a job. So I just showed up
the next day and like Kubiak's like, who are you Okay?
You're on the staff, Like it works that way at
the lowest level.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Oh.

Speaker 6 (31:41):
Absolutely, And you know, so I was picking guys up
from the airport.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
I was grabbing dinners like I delivered dinner to Mike
Petton one night because he had just got you know,
after a couple of weeks he got hired.

Speaker 6 (31:49):
I think he thought she thought I was the delivery guy.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
I'm like, no, I'm down the hall. I'm just in operations.
If you need anybody, I'll be there. I can do
whatever you need. And uh, Norma got the job in
Minnesota and and ended up having an opportunity. It was,
you know, it was again it would be a longer
story than we probably have time for, but almost ended
up in Dallas.

Speaker 6 (32:05):
Ben Bloom was in Dallas and they had a similar role.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
But Norvid kind of told me, hey, whatever you do,
you don't take a job without calling me.

Speaker 6 (32:12):
Yeah, obviously I'm gonna do right by you.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
So when Dallas called, I was on the phone with
Jason Garrett and he said, hey, we want to fly
out for an interview for this indor position.

Speaker 6 (32:19):
Ben talk really highly of you think could be a
great fit.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
And I was like, yeah, I don't. I mean I
don't have a job. So like I'm there, I'll go
to play tomorrow. And I said Jason, I just nor
you know, really, you know, made me promise him wouldn't
take a job without calling him, like are you okay
if I call nor, which you know I was taking
a little bit of a leap of faith there, but
Jason played for North and loved North, and so Jason
was like, absolutely, give norm a call.

Speaker 6 (32:40):
You got to do right by him, like let me
know what he says.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
So, in like a thirty minute process, was on the
phone with Jason called nor and Norrah's like, nope, you're
coming to Minnesota Rix film and the gym is.

Speaker 6 (32:49):
Going to call you in ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
You got a job.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
We'll get you out here this week.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
And I was like I went from like unemployment to
like two opportunities in twenty minutes and then had to
call Jason back. I was like, hey, Jason, I'm sorry,
I appreciate it. I'm going to Minnesota with NORV Like
I didn't really think it was gonna happen like that.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
This is my first time through the process.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
And Jason was awesome, very understanding, but it was it
was a whirlin so yeah, one year and then ended
up in Minnesota there in twenty fourteen, and.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
You're there for a bit. Is zim the coach when
you're there as the head coach.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
It was Zim's first year in twenty fourteen, Norri's first year.
And then, you know, I've.

Speaker 6 (33:20):
Told the story.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
I got picked up at the airport to go sign
my contract and meet everybody. And the guy that I
got picked up, you know, and Opscott picked us up
was me. Jonathan Gannon and Evan Marcus all got picked
up in the car together. I didn't know any of
those guys at the time and worked together with them
for four years and stayed there in Minnesota for six.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Who the wide outs you're working with, because I look
at your that position group legendary history. Yet there might
have been some lulls as far as big name was.
It was post Moss, post Carter, pri Jefferson, so Feeling
Jerris right who were dealing with.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
When I first got there. So I was in the
running back room my first year with Kirbie Wilson. He
had Adrian Peterson, we drafted Jack McKinnon, We had Jerome
felt and playing full back. And then the second year
I moved into the whiteout room. Jerryus was still there.
Greg Jennings I believe left the second year, Cordell Patterson,
Charles Johnson, we drafted Diggs and was still on the
practice squad at that time. Wow, and then stayed in that,

(34:10):
you know, and then my three years in that room
as an assistant, feeling became feeling obviously Diggs became Digs,
and all of a sudden, you had, you know, one
of the best receiver rooms in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (34:18):
Again, Uh, just by nature of those two players.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Give me a good dig story that would sum up
young Stefan dis because he's a fifth round pick. He's
not a guy in a first round calibers some of
these other guys. And yet since he got on the field,
he's been making places.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
And I think that his work ethic and his love
of the game of football and his just desire to
be great was unbelievable, Like I can.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
Remember, And it was one of those I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
It was after practice, like we were not in the
building or like as players, like we weren't on the field,
and you walk in the indoor and the dude has
a like full lather, looks like he's been running one
hundred and fifty routes, and to the point where like
almost happened so consistently we had to stop we're like, dude,
you're gonna hurt yourself, like you're overworking, like you need
to slow down. And he was just one of those
guys like every time, as you said, every time he

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touched the field, it was kind of those head turning
moments where you're like who was Like who was the
run that route? Like he just killed the top corner
scout team, Like he made unbelievable catch, and it was
like over and over and over again at the point
where like we got to put this guy on the field,
like because he was inactive for his first four or
five games I remember, and then somebody got hurt.

Speaker 6 (35:16):
And he hit the field.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
I think his first game was in Denver, the year
they had the year they won the Super Bowl. It
would have been the year they won the Super Bowl
with all the fifteen with Talib and Chris Harris and
they had another really good corner and Jackson maybe and
him and Dealing like went off like I think BIG's
had one hundred yards at Denver and it was like,
all right, he's not giving this job back, like he's

(35:38):
the guy, Like it's very clear.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
That Minnesota miracle where were you take us take us through?

Speaker 3 (35:45):
It was wild. I mean, I you know, it's you
never say the game's over. But a guy fell close
and uh, you know, the ball goes up and you're like,
all right, you know when he caught it and he
ran the ends on the place went nuts. But in
the booth, you're always like, is a flag down? He
didn't how much time is left? So like I don't
think we like nobody moved for a good like thirty
seconds to a minute as we kind of process what happened.

(36:07):
And then once everything was like it was, I mean,
it went it was like complete pandemonium, chaos. Like I
was down on the field by the time we took
the knee on the two point play.

Speaker 6 (36:15):
I think, well, they brought everyone back.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yes, Thomas Morriston had to come back.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
You know. Yeah, Like I still get the chills when
I see highlights of that player think about like it's
just it was such a cool moment to be a
part of, and I mean obviously unbelievable play on so
many levels.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I imagine you go as Stefanski because I see your
next job and the resume as you go to Cleveland
for a couple of years. Stefanski gets the head gig
in Cleveland. Does he call you up and say, Drew,
I need you buddy.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I worked with Kevin for nine years,
so we were together six in Minnesota and three in Cleveland.
Developed a great relationship with him. He was one of
those guys who brought me under his wing. And you know,
he had a young coach, got his first position job
there in Minnesota when I got there, and and just
taught me so much about the game, how to coach,
how to develop relationship with the players, the big picture
of the NFL. And so when he got that opportunity
and Zim was willing to let me have that opportunity

(37:02):
to go with him, I was special. You know, I
have a ton of respect for him and obviously oh
so much to him. So it was fun to be
a part of his first time doing it, running the show,
being in charge. It was awesome. All right.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Now, take us you go to Arizona with Gannon. Obviously
you had a history with him. Take us to the
Josh Dobbs roller coaster before the season. I know you're
obviously intimately involved because of the Cleveland thing, and we'll
wrap shortly, but I got to hear how Dobbs ends
up in Arizona and you had to play some sort
of role because he was in Cleveland with you too.

Speaker 6 (37:30):
Yeah, I mean I certainly had a relationship with him.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
MANI our GM had him the last couple of games
there in Tennessee, and I think it's one of those
things that as an organization, we're always going to try
to make the team better in any little thing we
can do from a roster perspective in terms of the
way we operate. So it was like my job, and
I said this to it, was like, Hey, everybody in
that room, my job is to get you ready to
start in the NFL. And I think Moni came to
me somewhere during the you know, the end of training game,
say hey, I think this is an opportunity that may

(37:53):
be available to us. What are your thoughts on it?
How do you feel about the person the player? How
long will it take to get him ready if this
is the move? And I just kind of broke it down.
I said, look, the language is going to be early similar.
He's an extremely smart player, so I don't think there's
going to be like a long runway certainly.

Speaker 6 (38:07):
Here the pros what he brings to the team here.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Obviously some of the issues of bringing him in ten
days before the season, but if that's the decision that
we choose an organization to think this gives us the
best chance, I know we can make it work. And
MONI did a great job and has done a great
job since I've been here, always trying to improve the
roster and always trying to make us competitive. So it's
it was one of those things he thought it was
best for the team. I certainly was on board, with
A JG obviously a big part of that. And he

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got in here and hit the ground running very quickly,
and kudos to him because that's not an easy task.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
I mean, that was unbelievable in itself. And then he
has a second chapter already with Minnesota. Have you reached
out to him at all and just said, hey, bro,
like I'm watching, like I know their rivals, but it's
been unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, absolutely so, we like when we obviously last week
when we lost to Cleveland was his first game playing
checked the stat line texted him right away was so
far up from him, and it's so far. I love
watching him play, love the energy he brings. He's obviously
done a great job for them, and I think, you know,
it really worked out for everybody. I think that's the
when when you can have a win win like that,
it's it's always a good situation.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
All right. And now back to the Cardinals wrapping it
up with this Kyler Honors back on the field, We've
got all these young wide receivers Ron Dill and of
course Marquis and then I'm loving what I'm seeing this
kid Michael Wilson, and then Trey McBride, the tight end
who took a little while in his career to get going,
is now a real factor. So much young talent. And
then you have the number six overall pick in Johnson

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playing well on offensive line like this. If you're a
viewer at home and you don't watch a lot of
Arizona Cardinals football, what would be your message to them,
but what they can expect for the second half of
the season.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah, I think it's where you hit on early. And
as we were talking, it's the effort and energy we
play with. I think that's got to be our calling card.
Is we have to outwork people, we have to out
effort people. We have to play with an energy and
an enthusiasm that people aren't either capable or willing to
match consistently, regardless score, regardless of outcome. So I think
that's what we want to have. The guys have fum
playing football and going out there and enjoying what they're
doing and doing at a high level, and I think
they're seeing that from the young guys in the locker room,

(39:54):
really from everybody. I think the team's really embrace that attitude,
that energy, and it's fun to be a part of
and it keeps you competitive, it keeps you in games.
And we got to do a little bit more and
a little bit better to win some of these games
and to turn the time. But I think everybody feels
like it is really close, and I think that's where
the buying and the energy and the effort comes from.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
And we just got to keep it going.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
And Kyler he's been his exceeded expectations from what it
sounds like.

Speaker 6 (40:14):
Yeah, he's been awesome.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
I can't say enough about him as a player, as
a person, as a teammate.

Speaker 6 (40:18):
He's been extremely fun to work with.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
I was so fired up for him and so proud
of him just to watch him go out there and
do what I know he's capable of, and certainly he
knows he's capable of, but it's always fun when you
get to put it on that stage.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Did you see the sky cam angle yet that they.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
Did everything about it?

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Obviously, that play was all coaching, right team. Everybody was sorry,
good job by you.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
You told him do a pirouett and run.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
I mean that's what he's I mean, he's so like
it was. It's unbelievable. I mean it's a game saving play.
I mean it's third and ten. To go make that
play in that situation, very few people were capable of
doing that. So it was just so fired up for him,
for us obviously, and it was it was fun to
watch him go do that.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
I end every interview with the same question, and it
was Nick Cassario was on last week and I said,
if you were at the combine and a twenty something
year old guy comes up and he's got an ill fooded,
ill fitting suit and he's got the Manila folder with
like a may but it's just like college accolades and says,
I want to get in the NFL, and you have
one elevator ride twenty seconds. Let's put yourself in that

(41:15):
Indianapolis situation. You got all the team gear on, you
got the Cardinals stuff, and you just happen to be
in with a kid, and he kind of has the
courage to ask, Hey, Drew, I know you're in your
mid thirties and I'm in my early twenties, but like,
what would be your one piece of advice for getting
in the league.

Speaker 6 (41:29):
Yeah, to be willing to do whatever it takes.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Be willing to take any opportunity, no matter how small,
no matter what building it in, no matter what the
role is, and do a really good job at it.
And it doesn't matter what that role is, embrace it,
be the best at it, and develop great relationships as
you go in that role. You know, the way that
you connect with people, the way that you interact with
any building that you get into, regardless of what they're
asking you do, I think is so important to your

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overall goal.

Speaker 6 (41:53):
Of getting into the NFL and continue to.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Make it true. This is awesome. Drew Petsing, offensive coordinator
of the Arizona Cardinals, fun young offense mid season. I
understand there's a million things you've got to be doing.
You got to be in the lab cooking and getting
Kyler going. But I so appreciate you taking twenty minutes
to hop on the podcast. It's a real pleasure for Rostt.

Speaker 6 (42:11):
Yeah, appreciate you guys. Thanks a lot for having me.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I was really juice to be on awesome stuff. Drew Pettsing,
offensive coordinator of the Cardinals. Good luck this weekend, man,
Thanks a lot. I didn't know how he would take it.
Drew Petsing's thirty four, Aaron thirty six? Isn't he thirty six?

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I think he's thirty six.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
I know he's younger than me. He's in his thirties,
like super young.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Thirty six.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, very impressive.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
I always love when, like a coach or a coordinator
comes from one side of the ball and then moves
to the other. True other than Matt Patricia, but other than.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
That, relate in life. I remember what back in the day,
the Eagles were rolling and they had a guy named
Juan Castillo who was their offensive line. Coaches like peak
Andy Reid, like dream team Eagles, and then they moved
him the defensive coordinator, and like it does, sometimes doesn't work.
Drew was early enough in his career where he went
from defense to offense. You think about those mentors North

(43:09):
Turner and then like Stefanski, I look at us a
peer because the fancy's my age. He's early forties and
he's like I really looked up to Stefanski, and it's like,
there's young guns coming and thirty six years old. I
know mcveigh's thirty six as well, and you've got guys
who are in their thirties all across the league, but
Drew's one of them. And I kind of liked the
fact he didn't He didn't necessarily play at Ohio State,

(43:30):
he didn't play at Penn State. He was hurt his
sophomore year at Middlebury and was like, screw it, I'm
not giving this dream up. Drew pat sing that was cool.
You know. I don't know if the Arizona Cardinals are
the top of the conversation right now, but I thought
what they did on Sunday was awesome, beating the Falcons
and seeing Kyler back. So I thought that was really cool,
and thank you for Drew for doing it and for

(43:51):
the Cardinals organization. Real quick way off topic, and you
could turn it off if you don't like the off
topic stuff. I won't be insulted. Travis Kelsey was in
Argentina this weekend. He was in Germany. The weekend before that.
He is on his by Max out with Taylor Swift
on Camroach was romantic and hot and steamy. She'd changed

(44:15):
the lyrics songs Karma to talk about the Kans City
Chiefs tight end. We're recording this on Tuesday. He's back
in Kansas City, he's back at practice, and we just
posed the question to Scott Pioli, the ex Kansas City
Chiefs GM, what his thoughts were about a player going
to Argentina, you know, and he answered it like I

(44:36):
wouldn't think twice about it. It's Kelsey's thirty four. Like
Scott's answer was right, He's earned it. Like whatever. The
fact that we asked it on Good Morning Football, We're
getting hundreds of tweets from Chiefs fans like super triggered,
like how dare you question it? Like it's his off week?
Is that I think it's this story has been kind

(44:57):
of a rollercoaster, and now it's like Chiefs fans are
super defensive about it, even questioning it, and I think
people are looking at Kelsey and I know Bill Simmons's
questioning like all right, even I on Monday's show was like,
all right, say it. I went to Mexico for my
tie is one thing. Gosh, she was at Mahomes's charity
event on Thursdays in Argentina's week, like it is something

(45:19):
to track. I have no opinion on it. I love Travis,
as I've mentioned multiple times here. We have a great
relationship and he's truly in love right now and it's
cool and it hasn't stopped them. They're the first place team.
I'm wondering when this thing turns and I see the
chief schedule gets complicated coming up, Aaron your thoughts and
he might attract the venom of the Taylor Swift hive,

(45:42):
So I would be careful with what you say because
it's not just a Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Time right, it's the Chief.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
It's more vocal, like f off, don't even question this love.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
And to just to be clear too, you're saying he's
in Germany the week before, he's in Germany for the game.
He wasn't traveling. It's not like he was there to
see her concert and then went to Argentina. So he
was there for the game and then they have the
bye week again. Travis Kelsey is thirty four. He is
not first year quarterback whose team is struggling. I actually
have no problem with him going to Argentina to watch

(46:12):
the concert. I thought the video of him standing there,
I think it's with her dad when when when the
lyric is changed and it's like it doesn't register for
him right away and his dad, Oh my, I can't
believe I'm sitting here talking about it.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
It was a.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Concert and his dad is like so excited for him.
I'm like grabbing Travis. So I love that.

Speaker 6 (46:32):
That was nice.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
And you know, we we hear all these stories about like, oh,
Taylor was at the Chiefs game and she had to
get snuck out in the popcorn movie. Instead, this was
her running off stage. He's standing right there and she
embraces him. You know what, call me a sucker. And
this is like the one Harry met Sally moment. But

(46:53):
I'm all for it. Great, good for him. I think
it's great.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
It was beautiful. I'm not kidding, like I loved it.
I thought it was beautiful and sweet and everything was
great about it. I hope they don't lose three straight
and Kel's he starts like dropping past this man. It's
going well for now, dude, I love it. One more thing.
I got a call early this morning from my friend Chris,

(47:18):
who listens to the podcast and says he does a
four mile walk every morning, from like five to seven
walks around Manhattan. I think he's like in Central Park
and he gets where he clears his head. And Aaron,
he was ecstatic to share with me how much he enjoys,
not me, not the music that we do, not the topics,

(47:39):
not the guests. He's like, I love your co host.
He's like, he's great. He's got a great demeanor, he's
got a great approach.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
I'm like, use his words like dowur Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
I'm like, hell yeah, Aaron's the man. And he's like
from like the the non Shrigger part of Brooklyn, where
I don't even know where you live. And I love
that about you. You come in with a completely different viewpoint,
a completely different style. You're of a different generation, and gosh,
you and I were making right here.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Dude, may Well. I appreciate it, and thank you to
him too, And I mean, I uh that that just
makes me jealous that I didn't go for a nice
long walk this morning.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Doesn't It sounds great?

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Perfect.

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the Texans and the Broncos, a little news with Ken
Dorsey getting fired, Little ravens lamenting, and then we walk
that path and we hear from Drew Petsing, who got

(50:00):
the most out of Kyler Murray that we've seen in
twelve months because Kyler's been recovering from that ACL. I've
been asked by a lot of this listeners over Twitter
and over email whether we are going to be at
the super Bowl. We do not know yet. We don't
have a word on that. We hope to be. If not,
we will still do shows throughout the playoffs. Let's just
say here the season with Peter Scheger with a shirtless

(50:23):
Aaron Wang Kaufman running around the Vegas Strip, then going
and performing karaoke, singing some song none of us have
heard from a show tune from like Oklahoma is gonna
be epic if we can get there.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
And then doing only Taylor Swift songs, replacing lyrics with
Travis Kelce.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Exactly right, that's what, yeah, exactly right. And then you
and I will go to like a club. We'll go
to like Delilah, and it'll be like the hot Spot,
and I'm gonna get paparazzi to take photos of us
walking amidst all the NFL celebrities and elites, and maybe
Scott Swift will like wear a Chief slanyard and like
kind of put his arm around the two of us.
Scott Swift content when we're talking about Taylor Swift's dad,

(51:02):
you know I'm here for it. On behalf of Aaron On,
behalf of Jason English, the man from iHeart who is awesome,
and on behalf of all the different folks who work
on this show. Thank you for listening.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
We'll be back next week with another one.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
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