April 8, 2022 • 26 mins
Why you’ve been feeling lonely recently because I have been too! We talk about how to embrace loneliness, why your best relationships are just around the corner and the power of gratitude.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties,
the podcast where we talk through some of the big
life changes and transitions of our twenties and what they
mean for our psychology. Hello. Everyone, Welcome back to the show.
Welcome back to the podcast. If you're joining us for
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the first time. What an episode to choose, And I
think it's going to be particularly fun but full of
some good insights. Maybe possibly let me know after you've
done listening. Yeah, this is more of a chatty episode.
When I do like structured episodes, they take so long,
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they take like four hours, five hours to research and record.
And sometimes there's moments like this where I just have
this thought, I have something I want to talk about,
and I just think it feels more authentic to just discuss,
just to share what I think about it, instead of
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going into you know, journal articles and peer reviewed studies.
And this just happened to be one of those moments
where I'm going to talk about loneliness today. We're going
to talk about what it feels like to be lonely,
why we feel lonely. Yeah, kind of darker, I don't know.
I still think it's just such an important thing to
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talk about. I don't know what's going around in the
world at the moment, but so many people, so many
of my friends that I'm talking to, are really feeling
this way. Have been having this feeling for a while,
and I've been trying to put my finger on it
because I'm in the same boat. And the thing that
I've come to the conclusion is is that in your twenties, especially,
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everything is so transformative. Everything is changing, and the life
that you had a couple of years ago, even six
months ago, is not the same life that you have now.
And as my friends are getting into their mid and
late twenties, there's been some pretty major life adjustments, both
positive and not not so much negative, but hard ones,
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difficult life changes, and I think that creates this sense
of loneliness that so many people, and so many of
my friends and I have been discussing recently, you know, moving,
moving into new jobs, changing your life structure. Gone of
the days when we were all in UNI or just
out of high school, or in our first jobs or
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trades and had a lot of free time and had
a lot of time to see each other to form
new connections. We just had so many more opportunities to
meet people and to feel seen and to feel understood,
and we just don't have that anymore. A lot of
my friends are getting their first full time jobs. That's
like eight hours out of every day that now you
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spend with co workers instead of you know, your friends,
instead of people that whose company you really enjoy. Maybe
you love your coworkers, but I would say for the
most part, it's a job. It's it's different to the
people you'd choose. And the other thing I've noticed is
a lot of my friends have gotten partners. And there's
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kind of two reasons. This creates like not a loneliness,
but like a dynamic of like disconnect. Sometimes you know,
you spend so much more time with your partner, that
being one thing, and I guess if you don't do
it right, you can end up feeling like you've lost people,
feeling like you're missing out on fun things. And then
for your friends, so like suff as myself. A lot
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of my friends have gotten partners recently or in the
last year, and of course their life is going to
be more centered around the people they're going to grow with,
you know, romantically and intimately and build their lives with.
And it can feel like you're quite on the out
if you haven't found that person yet. And that's something
I really want to discuss today because I've just been
thinking about it a lot, and thinking about what it
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means to outgrow people, what it means to feel lonely
after you've lost people, and does that really mean it's
a bad thing. That's something that's been on my mind
as I've moved, as I've grown, a lot of people
just not in touch with anymore. And it means that
the quantity of friends I have has reduced, but has
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the quality really reduced as a result as well. That's
something we're going to tackle also. And the media, movies, films,
how are they contributing to this kind of dialogue that
to feel lonely is to be a failure, is to
be alone, when that's not really the case. Yeah, just
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a lot of things. A less structured episode today, if
that's what you like, or then you've chosen a great
a great time to listen in. If not, we will
be back with the highly researched episodes next week. But
let's get into it. Let's get into my thoughts on
the topic of loneliness. So I've been feeling lonely recently.
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Maybe you kind of got that from the first part
of this episode, but I've been feeling really lonely and
I've been trying to kind of come to terms with
that and in some ways fix it, but also appreciate
the emotion for what it is. Loneliness. These days, I
think we have a tendency to really fear it, but
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we also feel a lot deeper and a lot stronger,
and it's more kind of in our faces when we
do feel like we're not surrounded by good people, are
not supported, or don't have community because of social media.
Seeing everyone else with their amazing bands of friends and
doing incredible things, it makes the feeling you have within
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yourself a bit more bitter. It stinks, I think a
little bit more, and I just don't think that's the
right attitude to have. So for me, I've moved cities recently.
It's meant that I've left a lot of my old
friends behind and it really sucks. It really sucks because
I'm an extrovert, I think, just in nature, and not
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having those people to talk to all the time, to
fill my days with, to do fun things with, is
really difficult, and it leaves you feeling like you're alone
when that's possibly and most likely not the case. Loneliness
hurts us so much because the absence of social connection
it kind of triggers, doesn't kind of, It triggers the
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same primal alarm bells as hunger, first physical pain. Being
surrounded by people, having a community, having social connections is
as vital to our well being as you know, having
a safe place to live, having food to eat, having
a sense of security. We really can't understate how important
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it is to feel surrounded by those who you could
lean upon, or just people who you have fun with.
So this is what has what I think happens a
lot in our twenties. You kind of do uni or
you do your first job in a certain environment, and
normally it's quite close knit, and then you move, people move,
people change, people quit jobs, people get partners, people make
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new friends, and sometimes there's a gap between when you
move on and others move on, or when you kind
of make that leap before everyone else has, or alongside
other people who you don't know about yet. And that's
kind of the thing I've been experiencing. I talk to
my friend Sydney about this all the time. If you're
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listening Sydney, love you to bits. But she had this experience,
and I hope she doesn't mind me talking about it,
because it is quite comforting to think about how much
she's kind of grown and learned from the process when
I'm kind of in my feels about it. But she
moved to Melbourne last year. She moved away from camp
which was where I met her, and her whole community
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was established here. She had had a partner here, she
had friends here, she had work and family here. And
she moved during lockdown, a terrible time, absolutely terrible time
to move to a new city, and it meant that
she was insidement that she didn't have the opportunity to
meet new people. And as that was happening, Canberra, where
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she was originally from, wasn't in lockdown. Everyone was still
going out, everyone was doing fun things. And I think
I would be safe to assume that I would say that,
you know, she felt lonely. And we talked about this
a lot, because when I made the move to Sydney
this year, I called her about her and I was like,
I just find it it's really hard to make friends.
It's really hard to meet people that you feel a
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kinship with. And she was like, you just have to.
She almost gave me like almost like a doctor's orders.
She was like, you've just got to say yes to everything,
go out and do things alone. Just be your just
be your own self. If you want to go to
an event, go by yourself. You'll meet people. And I
was like, well, first off, that is incredibly courageous and
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very brave. I don't know if I can do that,
but I did it, and I've been trying to. I've
been really trying to do that, and she's absolutely right.
But that's like, it's not always as simple as that,
and it takes time, I think as well. And that
time in between when you really start putting yourself out
there and when you do make those new friendships and
those new connections is really isolating. I think that it's
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very easy to get into this mindset of like there
is an equation to fix loneliness. There's two issues with that. Firstly,
loneliness is like any other emotion that we feel. There
is this saying in psychology that if it didn't serve
a value, if it didn't have a purpose, it wouldn't exist.
And loneliness, I think really fits that description. Because although
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our first kind of inclination is to flee from loneliness,
to stay connected with people whose company we don't enjoy,
to stay in relationships with people who don't fulfill us,
to stay comfortable, loneliness serves a really great purpose because
it makes you want to reach out, it makes you
want to make new friends, and it's a really defining
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emotion of growth, I think. I think also films and
movies profit off this idea of loneliness is kind of
like a disease. It's a disaster. It should be avoided
really well, really really well. And like I can think
of a couple like Bridget Jones is Diary. That movie
is terrible, terrible, but the main crux of her loneliness
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she doesn't have a romantic partner. That's something I see
in media and like specifically like films and entertainment all
the time. This idea that if you haven't met the
love of your life, if you don't have like fifty
amazing friends who are going to go clubbing with you
and always answer your phone calls, like you should feel lonely.
You should feel bad about yourself, You should feel like
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everyone else is having more fun than you, has better
friends than you, has more friends than you, and it's
not the case. The one part about that I find
the most issue with is this idea that if you
don't have a romantic, long term relationship, you should feel lonely.
And I really resent that because I don't think that
that's the case. And I also don't think that having
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a partner or having someone you know romantically in your
life is really going to make you feel any better.
If anything, it's just going to make you more dependent
on them for a sense of support and a sense
of connection when you may have benefited more from building
on current connections or creating new community. It's really a
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band aid fix, and it's set saying if like, you know,
you can only love someone as much as you love yourself,
and it's you can only you know, there's only so
much that a partner can do for you in terms
of kind of reducing that of loneliness and that feeling
of not having someone. I think relationships are a quick fix,
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quite honestly, there's such a quick fix, and it's so
easy to be in a situation where you feel isolated
and you don't feel supported and kind of jump to
the first person who shows you affection or validation or attention.
I've been there, I've done that. I don't recommend because
the only thing it's going to do is draw you
away from the people who you already have, and it's
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going to make you more invested in that person, perhaps
in an unhealthy way, when it would probably have been
better for you to sit with that emotion, come to
terms with it, and to have built the community, to
have made new friends, to have put yourself out there
rather than kind of closed yourself off. This is not
to say that you can't be lonely and have a relationship,
or if you're lonely and the right person comes along,
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like you should flee and you should absolutely say no
because you could become And that's not what I'm saying
at all. I just think sometimes relationships work best when
you are your best self, and if you feel like
you're lacking something or missing something and that person is
going to feel it for you, it's not always going
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to be the best long term solution. What if they're
not there, the fear of losing them will be stronger
because they're satisfying a need that until that point you
haven't been able to get elsewhere or at least for
a while. I think it's quite dangerous, wouldn't probably recommend it,
But also I do understand this need to like latch
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onto someone else. I think they're always going to be
periods of really hard loneliness in our twenties because of
just the universal nature, the universal kind of state of change,
and that there's fluctuations that all of us are kind
of pushed into as we try and establish our own lives.
Separate from our parents, separate from our family is, separate
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from our universities, from our jobs. We try and branch out,
and there isn't always going to be a place for
you to slop right into, and sometimes it takes a
little bit of effort. The other thing that really contributes
to loneliness, I think in our twenties is that it's
so natural and it's just a god given truth that
you're going to lose people. You're going to lose friends,
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lose touch with people, feel like, you know, a bit
of a diminishing in connection with people that you have
been friends with previously. I think in our twenties it's
it's kind of the chance, it's a beautiful decade to
get to try on different identities and to get to
try on, you know, different versions of ourselves who connect
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with people for different reasons. But as you grow up
and as you figure out more of who you actually are,
there's people who you are previously friends with no longer
really fit that profile anymore. They no longer really fit
into your identity. It's totally normal to lose friends. If
you're not losing friends, you're not growing as a person.
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But it can sting. It can really hurt because you
loved them and they served a purpose in your life,
and also because they're just another form of social connection.
Even if you're feeling that relationship decaying or you know
you don't have as much to talk about anymore, you
hang out with them and you don't always leave feeling amazing.
It's really hard to let go of those people because
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you don't want to be alone. You don't want to
you don't want to get to the end of the
line and be like, oh, you know, I dumped all
these people, or like all these people kind of fizzled
out and now I have no one. But here's the thing,
there is no point staying in friendships or relationships that
no longer serve you. All it's going to do is
it's not weigh you down, because I don't think people
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weigh you down, but take up space or out already
pretty busy lives that may have been better used by
someone else. It's not a crime, it's not a sin
to recognize that you and someone else are not the
same people anymore. You don't fit into each other's lives
as easily anymore, and to just allow both of you
to move on and to find people who do, to
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give them the space to discover people who are better
suited to them, there's no point being bitter about it.
I think you know I've had this happen a lot
of times, and I'm sure you have as well, or
if you haven't, you will. Like no one is going
to grow and develop an exact parallel to you on
the same kind of wavelength and the same timeline, there
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is going to be discrepancies between where someone else is
at and where you're at. And maybe they're just in
your life for a couple of months and they served
a really amazing purpose. Maybe they're there for a few years,
maybe they're like your lifelong best part, But you can't
keep every person you were friends within, you know, when
you were like eighteen at thirty, it's just not possible
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because you need to be able to create new relationships
and there's only so much time you have in your day.
I think a really good indicator of when it is
time to maybe start not so much pulling away, but
start creating space for new people is when you feel
lonely when you're around someone else, when the connection is
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now missing. And I had this with a friend, and
I really love them dearly. For so long we were
such good buddies, but that we were really good friends
for that part of our lives, and during that time
we were going through the same stuff, we were doing
the same things, we had the same schedule. And then
when those things started to fall away, you realize that
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it's not that you don't have anything in common, and
it's not that that's a bad thing. It's not that
they were a bad person. Our life just weren't in
line anymore. And it's okay to be like, that's well,
I'm just going to let you go and let you
have the best life you can have, even if I'm
not in it. But there's still space there and I
think that's where that lonely feeling comes from, because they
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still occupied your mind even if you weren't having like
the best time, you still enjoyed their company, Like you're
still friends with them for a reason. But it's it's
good not to hold on to that just because you're
afraid of being alone. It's like almost like I think
I had this for a while where I would hoard people.
I would like hoard them because almost like someone you
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know keeps keeps like inanimate objects or just like random objects,
arbitrary things, because they're always worried of like, oh what
if one day I might need this? And this is
like something with hoarding if you've ever watched like that
show about holders, where they're like, but what if one
day I really need this incredibly specific tak or like
this really specific piece of blue tak or this really
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specific piece of kitchen ware, And I can't let that
go because then I'll be without and I won't be
prepared for whatever the situation deals me. The thing is
you will be, You absolutely will be. And it's the
same with friendships. Sometimes you keep people around because you're
worried about what it would mean if they weren't there,
and you're worried about what if one day I turn
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around and I do really need them. And that's where
the fear of loneliness, I think, really starts to build
and bubble. I guess I've been rambling for a while.
And if you found yourself on this episode, what did
you expect? No, just kidding. It's just one of those days,
you know, just one of those feelings, and I think
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it's important to share it and to feel like other
people understand this, because I think that's what I would
like and what I look for. You know, I don't
know if you're like this, but or what I'm feeling,
like a specific emotion or a feeling. I always like
look up podcasts about that, like using keywords, because it's
always comforting to know that others are feeling that way
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as well. The thing about losing people and about growing
and feeling lonely is that from pain and from hurt
comes like the most amazing renaissance of growth and of
just prosperity. And I really believe that. I think that
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that is the sole purpose of really hard times in
our life, is it makes us stronger and it creates
a bedrock of kind of inner strength and inner reliability
and perseverance and independence that is just invaluable later in
your life. That's invaluable at any point in your life.
And it really is kind of blessing to get to
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go through periods of suffering knowing what comes out at
the other end, knowing that you know you've really been
forged in the fire. So from loneliness and pain, I
guess comes growth. That's what I'm trying to say, It comes,
you know, from it. Also, there's an appreciation of the
people who are around you. I promise if you're feeling lonely,
you're not alone. And I know that sounds so cliche,
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but sometimes I just sit back and I just make
a mental list of the people who I love and
who I could call and who would be there for me.
And it's always so much longer than I think it's
going to be. I'm always like, I've really got like
two friends, and then you're like, no, I don't like
these people. I like. I appreciate them so much. And
it's the quality of the friendships, not the quantity, that
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matters so much more to me. Now that is just
so much more important, And maybe that's like, the solution
is just having absolute and just insatiable gratitude for what
you do have in your life, for the people who
you do have, for the people who love you, for
those rare people who have grown in the exact same
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like incomplete unison with you as a person. It's just
like wonderful And it's made so much more wonderful when
you don't have the fluff, when you don't have all
those extra items or extra people surrounding you or in
your life. Who I mean, you can spend you can't
spend as much quality time with those people, Like it's
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just like a moment of paying but also a moment
of gratitude to recognize that as well. And the other
thing that really kind of helps me is just knowing
that the only thing in life that's promised is change
and is the movement of time. And even if you're
not feeling like amazing right now, isn't that just the
best thing about time? It always moves forward, There's always
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going to be changed, there's always going to be improvement
to your life, and even if things get bad, it
means that eventually they will get better. Things do not
stay terrible and awful for long, and I think about
that a lot. I think about it all the time,
especially right now. And you know, I think about it
every time I say yes to something that I kind
of don't want to go to, Like this could be
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the moment where like you meet like the new amazing
person who just fulfills all your needs and who's just
like incredible, and you know, a new best friend, or
who just meet someone who have a great conversation with
and it makes you feel more connected and more understood.
There's this TikTok that I like to watch sometimes and
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it says you haven't yet met all the people in
your life who you will love. Isn't that just the
most beautiful thing ever? You haven't yet met all the
people in your life who you will love and who
you will invest in and who will invest in you,
and you won't get to meet them if you spend
you know, time feeling sorry for yourself. Yes, there's space
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for pity, there's space for sadness, this space for grief
and for pain. But at the end of the day,
you can't really be in that state for too long.
You can't stay there forever. It's not a home for you.
You've got to keep growing and keep pushing and know
that they are amazing people around the corner who will
welcome you and support you and understand you. And isn't
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that just the most beautiful promise that the world gives us.
Thanks for listening to that. I'm just sitting at this lake.
I'm sitting in nature. I went for this beautiful walk
today and it always makes me feel better moving my body,
getting out, getting outdoors. That's the beautiful thing about nature.
It doesn't care who you are, it doesn't care what
you're feeling. It's ruthless to everyone, regardless of your past,
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of your future, of how you're feeling in the moment,
of those you've hurt, of those who've hurt you. It's
just like the great equalizer. I think so. Maybe that's
also a tip for dealing with loneliness. Get outside, say
yes to everything and get outside. There's my tip. One
of those is on behalf of Sydney Love you. Thanks
for contributing to this episode if she's listening. But if
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you're feeling this way, I want to send you love.
You're not the only one. I guess that's the thing.
You can feel less lonely. In the note in the
knowledge that you're not the only one feeling lonely. There's
a whole club of us, and it's just a moment.
It's just a feeling. It always gets better, it really does.
I remember feeling so keenly lonely at the start of
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my third year of UNI and saying my boyfriend at
the time, like, all I want is some new friends.
I just need new friends. I'm so lonely, I feel
so alone. And yeah, I took a couple of months,
it took like half a year, but then all of
these are people started showing up, and you know who
those people are. Now those are some of my closest friends.
I'm going to see one of them as we speak.
Right after I finished recording this, and I met her
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because she asked for something that I put up on
Facebook marketplace, and we kind of knew each other, but
not really, and I was like, I'll give it to
you for free, just take me out for brunch. And
we went out for brunch. And now she is one
of my closest friends and just most loyal companions and
strongest relationships I have, And I really hope it's like
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that for the rest of our lives. So everything does
improve slowly, it might take time, but there are so
many people out there, so many people out there who
are going to appreciate just everything about you, and even
the things you might not like about yourself they may love.
And that's just such a good feeling to hold onto
and to know that time moves on, things change and
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you won't feel like this forever anyhow. Kind of a
sad episode, honestly, but also which is what I kind
of like to bring to the podcast. I've talked about
so many things like toxic relationships and unrequited love. This
is just the next one on the list. I feel like,
how could I not talk about loneliness at some point
on this podcast. But thank you for listening. Thank you
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Hello, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties,
the podcast where we talk through some of the big
life changes and transitions of our twenties and what they
mean for our psychology. Hello. Everyone, Welcome back to the show.
Welcome back to the podcast. If you're joining us for
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the first time. What an episode to choose, And I
think it's going to be particularly fun but full of
some good insights. Maybe possibly let me know after you've
done listening. Yeah, this is more of a chatty episode.
When I do like structured episodes, they take so long,
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they take like four hours, five hours to research and record.
And sometimes there's moments like this where I just have
this thought, I have something I want to talk about,
and I just think it feels more authentic to just discuss,
just to share what I think about it, instead of
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going into you know, journal articles and peer reviewed studies.
And this just happened to be one of those moments
where I'm going to talk about loneliness today. We're going
to talk about what it feels like to be lonely,
why we feel lonely. Yeah, kind of darker, I don't know.
I still think it's just such an important thing to
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talk about. I don't know what's going around in the
world at the moment, but so many people, so many
of my friends that I'm talking to, are really feeling
this way. Have been having this feeling for a while,
and I've been trying to put my finger on it
because I'm in the same boat. And the thing that
I've come to the conclusion is is that in your twenties, especially,
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everything is so transformative. Everything is changing, and the life
that you had a couple of years ago, even six
months ago, is not the same life that you have now.
And as my friends are getting into their mid and
late twenties, there's been some pretty major life adjustments, both
positive and not not so much negative, but hard ones,
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difficult life changes, and I think that creates this sense
of loneliness that so many people, and so many of
my friends and I have been discussing recently, you know, moving,
moving into new jobs, changing your life structure. Gone of
the days when we were all in UNI or just
out of high school, or in our first jobs or
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trades and had a lot of free time and had
a lot of time to see each other to form
new connections. We just had so many more opportunities to
meet people and to feel seen and to feel understood,
and we just don't have that anymore. A lot of
my friends are getting their first full time jobs. That's
like eight hours out of every day that now you
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spend with co workers instead of you know, your friends,
instead of people that whose company you really enjoy. Maybe
you love your coworkers, but I would say for the
most part, it's a job. It's it's different to the
people you'd choose. And the other thing I've noticed is
a lot of my friends have gotten partners. And there's
(03:22):
kind of two reasons. This creates like not a loneliness,
but like a dynamic of like disconnect. Sometimes you know,
you spend so much more time with your partner, that
being one thing, and I guess if you don't do
it right, you can end up feeling like you've lost people,
feeling like you're missing out on fun things. And then
for your friends, so like suff as myself. A lot
(03:45):
of my friends have gotten partners recently or in the
last year, and of course their life is going to
be more centered around the people they're going to grow with,
you know, romantically and intimately and build their lives with.
And it can feel like you're quite on the out
if you haven't found that person yet. And that's something
I really want to discuss today because I've just been
thinking about it a lot, and thinking about what it
(04:07):
means to outgrow people, what it means to feel lonely
after you've lost people, and does that really mean it's
a bad thing. That's something that's been on my mind
as I've moved, as I've grown, a lot of people
just not in touch with anymore. And it means that
the quantity of friends I have has reduced, but has
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the quality really reduced as a result as well. That's
something we're going to tackle also. And the media, movies, films,
how are they contributing to this kind of dialogue that
to feel lonely is to be a failure, is to
be alone, when that's not really the case. Yeah, just
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a lot of things. A less structured episode today, if
that's what you like, or then you've chosen a great
a great time to listen in. If not, we will
be back with the highly researched episodes next week. But
let's get into it. Let's get into my thoughts on
the topic of loneliness. So I've been feeling lonely recently.
(05:10):
Maybe you kind of got that from the first part
of this episode, but I've been feeling really lonely and
I've been trying to kind of come to terms with
that and in some ways fix it, but also appreciate
the emotion for what it is. Loneliness. These days, I
think we have a tendency to really fear it, but
(05:30):
we also feel a lot deeper and a lot stronger,
and it's more kind of in our faces when we
do feel like we're not surrounded by good people, are
not supported, or don't have community because of social media.
Seeing everyone else with their amazing bands of friends and
doing incredible things, it makes the feeling you have within
(05:50):
yourself a bit more bitter. It stinks, I think a
little bit more, and I just don't think that's the
right attitude to have. So for me, I've moved cities recently.
It's meant that I've left a lot of my old
friends behind and it really sucks. It really sucks because
I'm an extrovert, I think, just in nature, and not
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having those people to talk to all the time, to
fill my days with, to do fun things with, is
really difficult, and it leaves you feeling like you're alone
when that's possibly and most likely not the case. Loneliness
hurts us so much because the absence of social connection
it kind of triggers, doesn't kind of, It triggers the
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same primal alarm bells as hunger, first physical pain. Being
surrounded by people, having a community, having social connections is
as vital to our well being as you know, having
a safe place to live, having food to eat, having
a sense of security. We really can't understate how important
(06:56):
it is to feel surrounded by those who you could
lean upon, or just people who you have fun with.
So this is what has what I think happens a
lot in our twenties. You kind of do uni or
you do your first job in a certain environment, and
normally it's quite close knit, and then you move, people move,
people change, people quit jobs, people get partners, people make
(07:20):
new friends, and sometimes there's a gap between when you
move on and others move on, or when you kind
of make that leap before everyone else has, or alongside
other people who you don't know about yet. And that's
kind of the thing I've been experiencing. I talk to
my friend Sydney about this all the time. If you're
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listening Sydney, love you to bits. But she had this experience,
and I hope she doesn't mind me talking about it,
because it is quite comforting to think about how much
she's kind of grown and learned from the process when
I'm kind of in my feels about it. But she
moved to Melbourne last year. She moved away from camp
which was where I met her, and her whole community
(08:03):
was established here. She had had a partner here, she
had friends here, she had work and family here. And
she moved during lockdown, a terrible time, absolutely terrible time
to move to a new city, and it meant that
she was insidement that she didn't have the opportunity to
meet new people. And as that was happening, Canberra, where
(08:24):
she was originally from, wasn't in lockdown. Everyone was still
going out, everyone was doing fun things. And I think
I would be safe to assume that I would say that,
you know, she felt lonely. And we talked about this
a lot, because when I made the move to Sydney
this year, I called her about her and I was like,
I just find it it's really hard to make friends.
It's really hard to meet people that you feel a
(08:45):
kinship with. And she was like, you just have to.
She almost gave me like almost like a doctor's orders.
She was like, you've just got to say yes to everything,
go out and do things alone. Just be your just
be your own self. If you want to go to
an event, go by yourself. You'll meet people. And I
was like, well, first off, that is incredibly courageous and
(09:05):
very brave. I don't know if I can do that,
but I did it, and I've been trying to. I've
been really trying to do that, and she's absolutely right.
But that's like, it's not always as simple as that,
and it takes time, I think as well. And that
time in between when you really start putting yourself out
there and when you do make those new friendships and
those new connections is really isolating. I think that it's
(09:27):
very easy to get into this mindset of like there
is an equation to fix loneliness. There's two issues with that. Firstly,
loneliness is like any other emotion that we feel. There
is this saying in psychology that if it didn't serve
a value, if it didn't have a purpose, it wouldn't exist.
And loneliness, I think really fits that description. Because although
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our first kind of inclination is to flee from loneliness,
to stay connected with people whose company we don't enjoy,
to stay in relationships with people who don't fulfill us,
to stay comfortable, loneliness serves a really great purpose because
it makes you want to reach out, it makes you
want to make new friends, and it's a really defining
(10:10):
emotion of growth, I think. I think also films and
movies profit off this idea of loneliness is kind of
like a disease. It's a disaster. It should be avoided
really well, really really well. And like I can think
of a couple like Bridget Jones is Diary. That movie
is terrible, terrible, but the main crux of her loneliness
(10:36):
she doesn't have a romantic partner. That's something I see
in media and like specifically like films and entertainment all
the time. This idea that if you haven't met the
love of your life, if you don't have like fifty
amazing friends who are going to go clubbing with you
and always answer your phone calls, like you should feel lonely.
You should feel bad about yourself, You should feel like
(11:00):
everyone else is having more fun than you, has better
friends than you, has more friends than you, and it's
not the case. The one part about that I find
the most issue with is this idea that if you
don't have a romantic, long term relationship, you should feel lonely.
And I really resent that because I don't think that
that's the case. And I also don't think that having
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a partner or having someone you know romantically in your
life is really going to make you feel any better.
If anything, it's just going to make you more dependent
on them for a sense of support and a sense
of connection when you may have benefited more from building
on current connections or creating new community. It's really a
(11:44):
band aid fix, and it's set saying if like, you know,
you can only love someone as much as you love yourself,
and it's you can only you know, there's only so
much that a partner can do for you in terms
of kind of reducing that of loneliness and that feeling
of not having someone. I think relationships are a quick fix,
(12:10):
quite honestly, there's such a quick fix, and it's so
easy to be in a situation where you feel isolated
and you don't feel supported and kind of jump to
the first person who shows you affection or validation or attention.
I've been there, I've done that. I don't recommend because
the only thing it's going to do is draw you
away from the people who you already have, and it's
(12:32):
going to make you more invested in that person, perhaps
in an unhealthy way, when it would probably have been
better for you to sit with that emotion, come to
terms with it, and to have built the community, to
have made new friends, to have put yourself out there
rather than kind of closed yourself off. This is not
to say that you can't be lonely and have a relationship,
or if you're lonely and the right person comes along,
(12:54):
like you should flee and you should absolutely say no
because you could become And that's not what I'm saying
at all. I just think sometimes relationships work best when
you are your best self, and if you feel like
you're lacking something or missing something and that person is
going to feel it for you, it's not always going
(13:15):
to be the best long term solution. What if they're
not there, the fear of losing them will be stronger
because they're satisfying a need that until that point you
haven't been able to get elsewhere or at least for
a while. I think it's quite dangerous, wouldn't probably recommend it,
But also I do understand this need to like latch
(13:38):
onto someone else. I think they're always going to be
periods of really hard loneliness in our twenties because of
just the universal nature, the universal kind of state of change,
and that there's fluctuations that all of us are kind
of pushed into as we try and establish our own lives.
Separate from our parents, separate from our family is, separate
(14:00):
from our universities, from our jobs. We try and branch out,
and there isn't always going to be a place for
you to slop right into, and sometimes it takes a
little bit of effort. The other thing that really contributes
to loneliness, I think in our twenties is that it's
so natural and it's just a god given truth that
you're going to lose people. You're going to lose friends,
(14:23):
lose touch with people, feel like, you know, a bit
of a diminishing in connection with people that you have
been friends with previously. I think in our twenties it's
it's kind of the chance, it's a beautiful decade to
get to try on different identities and to get to
try on, you know, different versions of ourselves who connect
(14:44):
with people for different reasons. But as you grow up
and as you figure out more of who you actually are,
there's people who you are previously friends with no longer
really fit that profile anymore. They no longer really fit
into your identity. It's totally normal to lose friends. If
you're not losing friends, you're not growing as a person.
(15:05):
But it can sting. It can really hurt because you
loved them and they served a purpose in your life,
and also because they're just another form of social connection.
Even if you're feeling that relationship decaying or you know
you don't have as much to talk about anymore, you
hang out with them and you don't always leave feeling amazing.
It's really hard to let go of those people because
(15:27):
you don't want to be alone. You don't want to
you don't want to get to the end of the
line and be like, oh, you know, I dumped all
these people, or like all these people kind of fizzled
out and now I have no one. But here's the thing,
there is no point staying in friendships or relationships that
no longer serve you. All it's going to do is
it's not weigh you down, because I don't think people
(15:48):
weigh you down, but take up space or out already
pretty busy lives that may have been better used by
someone else. It's not a crime, it's not a sin
to recognize that you and someone else are not the
same people anymore. You don't fit into each other's lives
as easily anymore, and to just allow both of you
to move on and to find people who do, to
(16:10):
give them the space to discover people who are better
suited to them, there's no point being bitter about it.
I think you know I've had this happen a lot
of times, and I'm sure you have as well, or
if you haven't, you will. Like no one is going
to grow and develop an exact parallel to you on
the same kind of wavelength and the same timeline, there
(16:33):
is going to be discrepancies between where someone else is
at and where you're at. And maybe they're just in
your life for a couple of months and they served
a really amazing purpose. Maybe they're there for a few years,
maybe they're like your lifelong best part, But you can't
keep every person you were friends within, you know, when
you were like eighteen at thirty, it's just not possible
(16:54):
because you need to be able to create new relationships
and there's only so much time you have in your day.
I think a really good indicator of when it is
time to maybe start not so much pulling away, but
start creating space for new people is when you feel
lonely when you're around someone else, when the connection is
(17:16):
now missing. And I had this with a friend, and
I really love them dearly. For so long we were
such good buddies, but that we were really good friends
for that part of our lives, and during that time
we were going through the same stuff, we were doing
the same things, we had the same schedule. And then
when those things started to fall away, you realize that
(17:37):
it's not that you don't have anything in common, and
it's not that that's a bad thing. It's not that
they were a bad person. Our life just weren't in
line anymore. And it's okay to be like, that's well,
I'm just going to let you go and let you
have the best life you can have, even if I'm
not in it. But there's still space there and I
think that's where that lonely feeling comes from, because they
(17:58):
still occupied your mind even if you weren't having like
the best time, you still enjoyed their company, Like you're
still friends with them for a reason. But it's it's
good not to hold on to that just because you're
afraid of being alone. It's like almost like I think
I had this for a while where I would hoard people.
I would like hoard them because almost like someone you
(18:21):
know keeps keeps like inanimate objects or just like random objects,
arbitrary things, because they're always worried of like, oh what
if one day I might need this? And this is
like something with hoarding if you've ever watched like that
show about holders, where they're like, but what if one
day I really need this incredibly specific tak or like
this really specific piece of blue tak or this really
(18:43):
specific piece of kitchen ware, And I can't let that
go because then I'll be without and I won't be
prepared for whatever the situation deals me. The thing is
you will be, You absolutely will be. And it's the
same with friendships. Sometimes you keep people around because you're
worried about what it would mean if they weren't there,
and you're worried about what if one day I turn
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around and I do really need them. And that's where
the fear of loneliness, I think, really starts to build
and bubble. I guess I've been rambling for a while.
And if you found yourself on this episode, what did
you expect? No, just kidding. It's just one of those days,
you know, just one of those feelings, and I think
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it's important to share it and to feel like other
people understand this, because I think that's what I would
like and what I look for. You know, I don't
know if you're like this, but or what I'm feeling,
like a specific emotion or a feeling. I always like
look up podcasts about that, like using keywords, because it's
always comforting to know that others are feeling that way
(19:47):
as well. The thing about losing people and about growing
and feeling lonely is that from pain and from hurt
comes like the most amazing renaissance of growth and of
just prosperity. And I really believe that. I think that
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that is the sole purpose of really hard times in
our life, is it makes us stronger and it creates
a bedrock of kind of inner strength and inner reliability
and perseverance and independence that is just invaluable later in
your life. That's invaluable at any point in your life.
And it really is kind of blessing to get to
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go through periods of suffering knowing what comes out at
the other end, knowing that you know you've really been
forged in the fire. So from loneliness and pain, I
guess comes growth. That's what I'm trying to say, It comes,
you know, from it. Also, there's an appreciation of the
people who are around you. I promise if you're feeling lonely,
you're not alone. And I know that sounds so cliche,
(20:53):
but sometimes I just sit back and I just make
a mental list of the people who I love and
who I could call and who would be there for me.
And it's always so much longer than I think it's
going to be. I'm always like, I've really got like
two friends, and then you're like, no, I don't like
these people. I like. I appreciate them so much. And
it's the quality of the friendships, not the quantity, that
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matters so much more to me. Now that is just
so much more important, And maybe that's like, the solution
is just having absolute and just insatiable gratitude for what
you do have in your life, for the people who
you do have, for the people who love you, for
those rare people who have grown in the exact same
(21:35):
like incomplete unison with you as a person. It's just
like wonderful And it's made so much more wonderful when
you don't have the fluff, when you don't have all
those extra items or extra people surrounding you or in
your life. Who I mean, you can spend you can't
spend as much quality time with those people, Like it's
(21:55):
just like a moment of paying but also a moment
of gratitude to recognize that as well. And the other
thing that really kind of helps me is just knowing
that the only thing in life that's promised is change
and is the movement of time. And even if you're
not feeling like amazing right now, isn't that just the
best thing about time? It always moves forward, There's always
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going to be changed, there's always going to be improvement
to your life, and even if things get bad, it
means that eventually they will get better. Things do not
stay terrible and awful for long, and I think about
that a lot. I think about it all the time,
especially right now. And you know, I think about it
every time I say yes to something that I kind
of don't want to go to, Like this could be
(22:37):
the moment where like you meet like the new amazing
person who just fulfills all your needs and who's just
like incredible, and you know, a new best friend, or
who just meet someone who have a great conversation with
and it makes you feel more connected and more understood.
There's this TikTok that I like to watch sometimes and
(22:57):
it says you haven't yet met all the people in
your life who you will love. Isn't that just the
most beautiful thing ever? You haven't yet met all the
people in your life who you will love and who
you will invest in and who will invest in you,
and you won't get to meet them if you spend
you know, time feeling sorry for yourself. Yes, there's space
(23:19):
for pity, there's space for sadness, this space for grief
and for pain. But at the end of the day,
you can't really be in that state for too long.
You can't stay there forever. It's not a home for you.
You've got to keep growing and keep pushing and know
that they are amazing people around the corner who will
welcome you and support you and understand you. And isn't
(23:39):
that just the most beautiful promise that the world gives us.
Thanks for listening to that. I'm just sitting at this lake.
I'm sitting in nature. I went for this beautiful walk
today and it always makes me feel better moving my body,
getting out, getting outdoors. That's the beautiful thing about nature.
It doesn't care who you are, it doesn't care what
you're feeling. It's ruthless to everyone, regardless of your past,
(24:03):
of your future, of how you're feeling in the moment,
of those you've hurt, of those who've hurt you. It's
just like the great equalizer. I think so. Maybe that's
also a tip for dealing with loneliness. Get outside, say
yes to everything and get outside. There's my tip. One
of those is on behalf of Sydney Love you. Thanks
for contributing to this episode if she's listening. But if
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you're feeling this way, I want to send you love.
You're not the only one. I guess that's the thing.
You can feel less lonely. In the note in the
knowledge that you're not the only one feeling lonely. There's
a whole club of us, and it's just a moment.
It's just a feeling. It always gets better, it really does.
I remember feeling so keenly lonely at the start of
(24:47):
my third year of UNI and saying my boyfriend at
the time, like, all I want is some new friends.
I just need new friends. I'm so lonely, I feel
so alone. And yeah, I took a couple of months,
it took like half a year, but then all of
these are people started showing up, and you know who
those people are. Now those are some of my closest friends.
I'm going to see one of them as we speak.
Right after I finished recording this, and I met her
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because she asked for something that I put up on
Facebook marketplace, and we kind of knew each other, but
not really, and I was like, I'll give it to
you for free, just take me out for brunch. And
we went out for brunch. And now she is one
of my closest friends and just most loyal companions and
strongest relationships I have, And I really hope it's like
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that for the rest of our lives. So everything does
improve slowly, it might take time, but there are so
many people out there, so many people out there who
are going to appreciate just everything about you, and even
the things you might not like about yourself they may love.
And that's just such a good feeling to hold onto
and to know that time moves on, things change and
(25:55):
you won't feel like this forever anyhow. Kind of a
sad episode, honestly, but also which is what I kind
of like to bring to the podcast. I've talked about
so many things like toxic relationships and unrequited love. This
is just the next one on the list. I feel like,
how could I not talk about loneliness at some point
on this podcast. But thank you for listening. Thank you
so much, and if you feel inclined, please feel free
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