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December 12, 2024 14 mins

Hello, Puzzlers! Today, join A.J. and Greg at Mohonk Mountain House where we recorded this episode with magician and friend-of-the-podcast David Kwong during the Wonderful World of Words weekend.

Join host A.J. Jacobs and his guests as they puzzle–and laugh–their way through new spins on old favorites, like anagrams and palindromes, as well as quirky originals such as “Ask Chat GPT” and audio rebuses.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, Puzzlers, Welcome to the Puzzler. The final payment in
your Puzzle student loan. Thank you that I do not
deserve that laughter. Instead it should go to Felisa Lewis,

(00:25):
who wrote that and happens to be right here in
the audience. Thank you Forelisa. And yes we do have
an audience today because we are doing our second episode
of The Puzzler live from historic Mohunk Mountain House at
the Wonderful World of Words Weekend, hosted by our own

(00:47):
Greg Pliska.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh, thank you.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
It is always great to be back here.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
As I think we've mentioned on the podcast before, this
is where we met. So none of this would be
possible without Mohunk Mountain House. So we're back here again.
It's like a snake eating its own tail. We met here,
now we're back here recording the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
And there is a word. What is that word? I
feel h Burroughs, what is it?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Or r O b O U R O S Right.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I knew this crowd, bros. And it's the Wonderful World
of Words. If we didn't know it, that would be embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Uh, it's like our.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Own We're like our own inception or something. We're like
a puzzle anyway, that's too deep. I was too late
for that joke. I should have done it earlier. All right, good, Well,
we have a special guest with us today.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Don't we.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
We sure do. We have a very I would say,
very special guest.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
How special?

Speaker 1 (01:42):
He is, super duper special. He is a New York
Times puzzle constructor. He's a legend in the puzzle world.
And he's also a magician. And his name is David Kwang.
Welcome David.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Hello, Hi. That was my cue to say hello.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
That's your cue, and not earlier when you spoke that
was yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
And David is a puzzler and a magician, and in
that latter capacity he wrote a wonderful new book called
How to Fool Your Parents, which is a bunch of
hilarious and mischievous and impish illusions that you can play
on your parents to trick them.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Is that an accurate description of Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
Yes, yeah, I know. That was great.

Speaker 6 (02:29):
They are It's full. This book is full of smart, clever,
magic tricks. I'm channeling the ten year old magician that
wanted that inside knowledge, that that secret inside track.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
On how to be the smartest person in the room.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
God smarter than your parents. That's the important thing.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
And we were talking beforehand about there's something about you.
You feel like these are all tricks that can be
revealed or can be given away.

Speaker 6 (02:54):
What was Well, I talked to a lot of magician
friends to figure out what tricks are okay to reveal
in a book like this. So yes, they've all. These
are all tricks that have been around for a long time.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
These are all tricks that are meant to inspire further
studying of magic. So uh yes, there's it's all good.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
This is a king. Don't call the magic plae on me.
These are all.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, Castle you know is not going to kick you
out or anything.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Well, we have two quick puzzles for you today today, David,
and I believe Greg is going to be.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
I'm going first. I'm going first. Okay, So David this, Uh,
I have a question for you. What magic word stereotypically
used by magicians begins and ends with the same four letters.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
Yeah, I heard it from the word experts.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I did a lot of good to say.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Don't don't I said, don't shout it out loud, so
everyone whispered it staneously, don't even whisper it. I always
like to say, just sit on your hands and nodingley
your friend, because that way you don't actually have to
know it. You can just go, oh, I got this,
and then you never have to reveal what was the world.

Speaker 6 (04:07):
I will also accept semaphore flag code if people want
to signal to me yes, the answer.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Is abracadabra is right now. My question is have you
ever actually used that word?

Speaker 5 (04:19):
I don't think so. I prefer oodles of noodles.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
No, do you mean what are you having for lunch?
I mean what?

Speaker 5 (04:29):
I don't know if I've uttered it in a show.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Does any magician ever use that?

Speaker 5 (04:33):
Oh? Sure? Really it's a classic.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
What do you use? Do you use tada or la
or pocus or any of those I've never heard?

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Check this out, guys, that's the new version.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (04:48):
I mean there's a There's been a lot of famous incantations.
There's sim solid bim was used by the Great Dante
alexam of course, my favorite, perhaps is from the Great
Mumford on Sesame Street A la peanut butter sandwiches.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yes, agreed, but yeah, they're supposed to evoke sort of.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
The mystical East or the mystical foreign thing that the
magician is channeling. Yes, okay, well you might you can
call upon those magical powers for this puzzle. I did
a little research in the puzzle lab and came up
with a few other words and phrases that begin and
end with the same letters like abracadabra does. Now, phrases

(05:32):
with four letters at the beginning and the end are
harder to do, and I'll talk about that a little
bit later, but there are a lot of good options
for words that have the same three letters at the
beginning in the end.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
So each of.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
These clues will be for a word a phrase that
has the same three letters beginning and end, as we've
done it with a previous episode. Audience, raise your hands
if you've got it.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
And abracadabra is a b R A, which is pretty impressive.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
For yeah, an unusual string of letters. Yeah, it kind
of rhymes. Which is two of a lot of those
four letter ones like oki doky, right, which does have
the same four letters, but it's not very interesting that
ok doky. The other a bunch of them like that
alredy Farty, the other ones that have the same four
letters at the beginning and the end are things like
tet a tet.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Or mono a mono, hocus pocus.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
Well, that's rhyming, but it's not the same four letters
at the beginning and end.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
You're absolutely correct about thank you. The way that you
analyzed the actual letters and the order that they appeared
in is correct.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, yeah, but you got a rhyme correct, So that
was good. All right, So let's do these for real.
This is same three letters at the beginning and end. Okay,
it's a skilled sports person or a show off.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
More generally, it's a seven letter word.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Okay, so it's one word that has three at.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
The Yeah, so it's three letters a different letter and
than the same three letters.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
Again, can I have the clue one more time?

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Yeah, a skilled sports person or a show off more generally, like,
don't be such a.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
If only there were one hundred and fifty word experts
in the room that we had.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Someone who wants to guess, I accept, I accept the answer.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Is the correct answer?

Speaker 4 (07:35):
All right, here's another one. The famous person most often
associated with the word genius.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yeah, yeah, let's let's let's go to the go ahead.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
You can call on somebody.

Speaker 6 (07:48):
All right, Judy Einsteinstein sounds good, and that's correct.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
Yeah, let's applause for yeah, for Judy.

Speaker 6 (07:56):
And and that's a legitimate scrape board.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
By the way, Einstein, yes, because he could also be
a term for somebody very like, like we have a
room full of Einstein's here, which, by the way, that
one starts with this and ends with the same four
letters if you pluralize it, Einstein's I should have done that,
all right, returns to an original state like antique furniture.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, okay, David's got it. Go ahead.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
You want to get Eric in the Yeah, I saw
puzzle master Eric Berlin in the back. Eric restores you'll
that's also correct, Yes, very good.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
Yeah, this is really easy. Great, I love it all right.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Like Charlie Brown's unrequited love interest or Julianne Moore and
Ed Sheeran. Okay, somebody old enough to remember Charlie Brown.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
That's good. Do you do you know what it is? David?

Speaker 5 (09:04):
I'm gonna say yes, but let's ask.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Go ahead, who you call on somebody? David down here? Yeah, David,
red haired red hair.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
It is also correct, little red haired girl.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
And Charlie Brown.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
By the way, one quick uh one quick fun fact
or maybe not fun it is. I looked up Peppermin Patty.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
That's it, right, No, in this case, it's the little
red haired girl.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
She's kind of Oh I was with you a j
that's that's different than pepper or any of the others
whoa well, Peppermint Patty.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
That makes sense because Peppermin and Patty in Wikipedia said
it said that her hair is mousey blah. That's the
quote mousey blah b l a h, which seemed very judgmental.
I was not happy with the way they talk about pep.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
You have an official color in the Crayola box like
Perry Winkle, you know, burnt umber and Mousie blah.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
I don't know what they Oh, it's what Lucy right, See,
Lucy is mean.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Lucy's mean to Peppermint Patty.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Thank you, thank you for clarifying.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
All right, this is the name for the London transit
system or where it runs.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
Okay, yes, I have this, and let's see you've how
about right here in the hat.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Underground, Yes, underground exactly begins.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
It ends with U n D, a general term for
a drug like prozac, one that is supposed to make
you feel more positive.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
Nice, nice one.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah. All the people in prozac are like, yeah, I
got it. Let's go with air. And the woman in
the back is that Erica, Yes, it is.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
You anti depressant, right.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Which is not a very positive way to say the
name of the drug. It should be it's very depressed.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Should be me pro Zach.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Like pro pro happiness, pro happiness.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
In favor of the guy named Zach who's gonna come
and cheer you up.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
All right.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Related to the study of individual industries or sectors rather than.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
The whole market.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Okay, I got Actually our speaker last night, Bomani Jones,
who has several degrees in this general subject area, probably
knows the answer to this one. You want to you
got a David go right here, the gentleman in the
red sweatshirt micro economic, very good, all right.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Last one a French novel, raise their hands.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
I got it, I got it, I got it, you
got it?

Speaker 4 (12:01):
A French novel or the second longest running musical in
the world that's based upon it.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
David, right here, I think we have an eager Yes,
lay miser ob Yes, my daughter's name is Cosette.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
So oh right, it's how perfect that's on you that
you didn't realize that.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
I didn't connect that right away.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
If we weren't doing a podcast, I'd ask you to
show us pictures of Cosette, who's adorable, but the people
listening won't appreciate them the same.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Way I do.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
We can describe her.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
She's very cute, she's adorable, she sings all the songs
from Ley Miz.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
So I'll be showing photos of Cosette at four o'clock
downstairs in the lake Lounge.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Well that is, Do you have an extra credit for
the folks at home?

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah? I have an extra credit for the folks at home.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
This two word phrase from Freudian psychology is the animating
force behind the id.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
It's what drives us to avoid pain.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
That's the world's longest clue right there, and the world's
driest and longest clue. But there you go, folks. So
that's your extra credit. We'll give you the answer to that.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Well, thank you, David, and folks at home. If you
have thirty seconds, please rate and subscribe to The Puzzler
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finding us and we will meet you here tomorrow for
more puzzling puzzles. They will puzzle you puzzling ley.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Hey puzzlers, it's Greg Pliska up from the Puzzle Lab
and I've got one more extra credit answer for you
from the Great Miambiolic with whom we.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Played Dit Lloyd's yesterday. You got an extra credit clue
that was two habt one and the answer, of course
is two heads are better than one. Well, your head
is better than half a head, and Agent and I
have two heads, so between us we have a head

(14:09):
and a half.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I can't do math, but I'm glad you're here doing
puzzles with us, and we'll catch you next time.
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