November 7, 2025. BIN Weekly Recap - Bri Wood + Morgyn Wood

BIN news anchors Bri Wood and Morgyn Wood join Host Ramses Ja to discuss this week's major stories.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's been another busy news week and we like to
review the major stories of the week here on the
bi In Today, we are joined by bi In News
anchors Morgan Wood and Brewood to discuss this week's major stories.
This is the QR code and I am Rams's jah.
All right, Morgan and breuh, Hey, I can't express how

(00:23):
much I look forward to having these conversations with you.
There far too infrequent, but every time it is a joy.
Of course, we got to catch up mo money, Morgan,
what's the latest and the greatest?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh, mo Money?

Speaker 3 (00:35):
I definitely will go ahead and accept that manifestation on
my life because things is getting real ghetto out here
in these DMV streets with the.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Furlough and the fires.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
But no, in the grand scheme of things, I am
thankful to still be here talking to the people and employed.
And it's you know, considering the hard time. So that's
pretty much what's going on with me.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
How about you guys, Amen, Amen, three Brix talk to me?
What's the latest?

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Hey?

Speaker 5 (01:02):
You know what, I feel the same as Morgan.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
I am happy and grateful to be talking to you today,
and just been a lot going on.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
We have so much to discuss because it has.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Been very entertaining these past couple of weeks, everything that's
been in the news, and so yeah, I'm looking forward
to doing a deep dive into that.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
All right, well, let's get to it. First up, Voters
nationwide took to the polls on Tuesday to cast ballots
for candidates and amendments that will now have a major
impact on the black community. Brie, both you and Morgan
covered the election night for the network. So let's get
Today's show started with Hugh gives a quick summary on
some of the key elections from this past week, and
then Morgan, we'll get your thoughts next.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah, there was a lot going on ramses, so Democrats
sweep most of the key races here. They won major
contests in New Jersey, Virginia, and New York City, signaling
voter dissatisfaction with President trump second term agenda and concerns
over the economy even though we were promised that it
would be fixed on day one. So we've got some
historic wins in the governor races. We'll start with New

(02:03):
Jersey Representative mikey Ryl. She is a Navy veteran and
centrist Democrat, so she defeated Trump endorsed Republican Jack Chitdarelli.
She became the state's first female Democratic governor.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
So that's a big deal.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
And everybody was extremely happy with that based on what
I saw online because I'm a comment reader, so a
historic knight and people seem to be satisfied with that choice.
But President Trump was not. He said he was disappointed
in that. He expected a little bit more. But I'll
tell you what. In Virginia, he was not surprised. Representative

(02:37):
Abigail Spanberger. She is the Democrat. She beat black lieutenant
governor win some earl sears, becoming Virginia's first female governor.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
There. Now, Trump said, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
He didn't really like it, but he understood because he
didn't really give any support to win some earl sears,
and CBS News happened to press her about that issue,
and she really could not answer as to why he
did not support her, even though she really holds down
Trump's agenda. She's very conservative, so that was interesting there.
But you know, everyone who voted was representing Abigail Spamberger,

(03:11):
and her campaign focused a lot on pract excuse me,
pragmatism and protecting state services.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
From federal cuts.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
So she really touched the hearts of the people and
in turn, in return, they elected her.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
Now let's get to New York City.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
So they say New York City has elected its most
progressive mayor. Now Zoron mom Donni, who ran as a
socialist Democrat. He's thirty four years old and he's a
state lawmaker. He won the mayoral race, defeating Governor Andrew
Cuomo and Republican Curtis Sliwa. Now I do want to say,
I got to give some credit to Curtis Sliwa because

(03:47):
he knew he was never winning. His whole goal was
to be a distraction to lower everybody else's numbers. But
he stayed in till the very end. And then Andrew
Cuomo Zia mam Donni was beating him by double digits,
but when he started camp painting more, he closed that
thing up and had single digits. That caused a single
digit lead by Zera mam Donni. So it wasn't like

(04:07):
he ran away with it in the end. But in
the end, of course, he still prevailed, even though President
Trump did give a last minute endorsement to Andrew Cuomo.
And then Andrew Cuomo came out and said, yeah, he
doesn't like me. He just hates Zoram Mamdanni. So that's
why he endorsed Cuomo. But it did not work. So yeah, mom,
Donnie is now the city's first Muslim mayor and he

(04:28):
is also one of the youngest ever. So Congress to him.
And in California, Prop fifty was the big issue, so
voters approved Prop fifty that allows mid decad redistricting to
counter the GOP jerrymandering that happened in Texas. The new
map could flip up to five US House seats to
Democrats ahead of the twenty twenty six midterms. That was

(04:48):
very important to Governor Gavin Newsom. He put it on
the ballot, the people spoke, and the down ballot democratic
momentum that happened also was quite incredible to watch Democrats
flip seats in Georgia's Public's Service Commission, broke the GOP
super majority in Mississippi State Senate and retained three Democratic
justices on Pennsylvania's Supreme Court. Local wins include city council

(05:10):
flips in Orlando, Georgetown, South Carolina, Charlotte, North Carolina, and
mayoral victories in Detroit Atlanta and Cambridge, Massachusetts. I'm gonna
get to Detroit at the end though, because it's my
hometown and voter sentiment. We were thinking about the economy
and we were thinking about affordability. According to the exit polls,
so they show affordability and the economy had people anxious. Okay,

(05:33):
that was anxiety when they went to the polls. That
is what people cared about the most and is basically
how they chose their candidates and what they voted based on.
Democrats across the whole spectrum, from moderates and progressives centered
their whole campaigns on this cost of living issue, especially
Mom Donnie in New York, because they say New York
has the highest cost of living in the country. I

(05:54):
don't know if that's true, but it would seem like it.
New York is very expensive. New Yorkers want to break.
And finally, in my hometown of Detroit, Michigan, Mary Sheffield
made history. On November fourth, Detroit elected its first woman
mayor and she was I don't know, she was very

(06:15):
popular from the beginning. She was never not in the lead, okay,
but she did win by a landslide. She had seventy
seven percent of the vote by the time it was
all said and done, and that was against Reverend Solomon
Kenlock Junior, and he had, you know, a respectable number
of votes. I think he got about twenty three percent
in the end. But Mayor Elect Sheffield. She's only thirty

(06:36):
eight years old. She brings over a decade of experience
on the city Council. She was the city council president
and she's served there since twenty thirteen and became the
president in twenty twenty two. So her victory is not
only historic for gender representation, but she's also the first
black woman to lead Detroit in our three hundred and
twenty four year history. And what I was reading online,

(06:58):
a lot of people could not believe that the City
of Detroit never had a female mayor in all of
those years. But we're not the only ones, So the
tides are turning. Who knows, we may have a woman
president sooner than we think. But Sheffield's campaign it focused
on neighborhood investment, housing stability, public safety, and in her
victory speech, she said everyone's going to have a seat

(07:19):
at the table with her administration, And to every little
girl watching, never doubt yourself.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
You are gifted, you are powerful.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
So she was also endorsed by a current mayor, Mike Duggan,
and he is not running because he will be running
next year for governor of Michigan as an independent.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well said, that was a lot, right.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Oh what can I even add to that note?

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Just a few fun facts though, I think that is
really interesting out of all of these racism, especially the
one in New Jersey that you know, Democrats have actually
held the office of governor for now three terms. It's
the first time in New Jersey history that that has happened.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Here in the DMV.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
We didn't have elections in Maryland or d C at
this at this juncture anyway, but it's also the first
time that DC Maryland in Virginia also has Democratic leadership
at the same time. Now, Abigail Spamburger and that race
between Abigail Spamburger in Virginia and win Some Earl Sears
was it was.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
An interesting one.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
And you know all of those political what do you
call those those political ads that come on And I
will just tell you that when Winsome Earl Sears, if
she didn't have anything, she had the ads on lock
because they were just like they were they were so
catchy in the way that it was like, oh my god,
here we go again. So I will say that if

(08:42):
she didn't have anything for the culture, she.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Had the ads.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Her ads had us in a bit of a choke
hold here in the DMV in a very humorous way.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
But she didn't get blue out either, like she put
herself out there, like she had a decent number of
people that voted for her, right.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
She she did.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
And I think one of the major things that even
you know, I was taking not to say taken aback,
but I was actually impressed by the one thing on
her running ticket was alleviating personal property tax, which seems
to be a thing in the Commonwealth. You know, you
have this she said, she has this old car, and
you know, and she's still the car is so old,

(09:18):
but they're still paying personal property taxes on it. So
I think that's something that is impacting people in the Commonwealth,
you know, especially, But it was no record for Spamberger,
who ran on affordability, and that was one of her
major things as well. Speaking of which, while we're still
on topic of Spamberger, President Barack Obama endorsed her. He
did endorse her, and it became one of those racial

(09:42):
things as well. You know when some Earl Sears said, well,
you know you said, he said last year, vote for
the black woman, and here I am, and then a
lot of people were like, well, onen, some you know,
he wasn't talking about you. But at the same time
when some Earl Sears is was the black candidate. She
is an immigrant from Jamaica, and she did not receive
as you mentioned, bre uh and endorsement along party lines

(10:03):
from President Trump.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
And for the life of us, none of.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Us can we know why, but none of us has
you know that we look, it's one of those we
know why, but there has not It has not been
said why. And the speculation is, let's just put it plainly,
is it because she black? Because at the end of
the day, as you mentioned before, she was magoth Or.
She is Maga through and through, and so she stands

(10:26):
and on those right she is Mago down. So it's
it's kind of ironic that he wouldn't give her that endorsement.
And for the reasoning we'd you know, to to what
we said, we don't know. But also there another thing
I want to kind of clear up around that race
is that the NAACP of v A is clearing up

(10:47):
rumors that circulated that the NAACP actually endorse Abigail Spamberger,
which is not the case. So the Reverend doctor Cosey
Bailey uh is the president of the NAACP Virginia Chapter,
and he said, whomever they are, whatever gender they are,
whatever race they are, whatever religion they are, whatever creed
they are, we do not endorse political candidates. So that

(11:10):
think that was something that deserves clarity in the grand
scheme of all of this. When it comes to Mom Donnie,
I loved seeing him celebrate in the club at thirty
four years old, as you mentioned, one of the youngest
to hold the office and also the first Muslim. Of course,
President Trump has been very vocal about not being a
fan of Mom Donnie and actually said that Mom Donnie's

(11:30):
victory speech, called it angry towards himself and said that
he felt like, basically New York is going to be
Let's see how a communist does in New York is
the words that Trump used. So and to your point, Breed,
that it does appear that the tides are turning. It
was quite the democratic sweep across the nation regarding regarding

(11:53):
those elections, so we'll see what direction our country decides
to go in next.

Speaker 6 (11:59):
Yeah huh normally, Uh, I have something to say, but
thank you guys covered it pretty well.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
I don't I don't even really think I need to
do this job anymore.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
We'll take it from here.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, I do want to offer a couple of you know,
this was masterful. I enjoyed listen. Obviously I had to
cover all these stories too, but just listening to you
to kind of reflect and pontificate, it's like it's like
re exciting me, you know. So I do want to
offer a couple of things I think are worth considering.
So when you think of like Obama's endorsement versus like

(12:43):
Trump's endorsement, I think that that the thing that people
are dancing around that they don't it's it's probably tougher
for them to like directly engage with But I can.
I can do that. Chris calls me like Neo and
the Matrix. So I get to say things getting there
that that maybe other folks can't. But I don't know

(13:04):
that it's necessarily whether or not the candidate is black,
but whether or not the candidate has call it pro
black policies, and so often you'll see that with the
black candidates. But as we well know, there are black

(13:25):
people with what we generally as black people consider to
be anti black political philosophies that they espouse. These are
the Uncle Tom's and the you know, the the tokens
that get spent and you know those types of people, right.
I don't want to name any names, but this is

(13:45):
why you won't see them on stage with an Obama,
but you will see them endorsed by Donald Trump when
it's convenient, you know what I mean. And so these
people in pursuit of their proximity to whiteness, or these
people people running away from the reality of their blackness
or trying to adopt a fierce type of independence which

(14:10):
has caused them to become detached from a shared reality.
Uh not not in terms of physical detachment, but mental
cognitive detachment. Like they just don't see the data and
interpret the data that is, for most of us, very
black and white, as being indicative of systemic issues. Rather

(14:32):
they see it as a mass moral failing of the
black people only in this country. And they don't they
don't see that. Okay, what are the crime rates in Africa.
What are the absentee father rates in Africa? You know,
they don't look at it like that, and so they
there's there's still some some connective tissue. I'm sure that
they're they're building. I hope they build it in this lifetime.

(14:55):
If not, maybe they'll get another chance. But but this
is what I think. And then as far as Mom
Donnie in New York, just one little thing I'll say,
because you mentioned him, like dancing in the club and
I kind of love that this guy is the mare
I hear him talk. The more I'm really excited for
him and for what he means in terms of implementing

(15:17):
a lot of the political philosophies of Bernie Sanders that
those of us that are Bernie Sanders fans and would
have voted for him had we.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
Hit Ernie Bros.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Right. He will get a chance to sort of show
what that could look like, what that reality could look
like on American soil, because we see it in Denmark
and like the Norwegian countries, we see what of a
democratic foundation with robust socialist programs looks like it looks
like companies with that scored the highest on the Happiest

(15:51):
People Index, and the least Homeless index and the most
Rehabilitation of Criminals index, and all the things that we
want to think about our own country. But we lag
and we're toward the bottom of the you know the list.
You know, his his ideas. We'll get a chance to
see what they're what they look like implemented on American soil.

(16:14):
But the thing I really wanted to say was that
him coming out to job Rules New York.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
That was funny.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
That was funny because of the trolling from fifty cent.
So him coming out to you know, I'm from New York.
You know that was that was rich and rebuttal Yeah,
I'm sure he did. I don't really care. Yeah, fifty
had his day. Right now, it's Mom Donnie's day, So
right now I'm really proud of Mom Donnie. And I
do want to say this too, for my my Muslim

(16:43):
brothers and sisters. I know that you had a really
big week this week. And I think it was the
lieutenant governorship in it might have been Virginia, if I'm
not mistaken, is now held by a Muslim woman, and
that's the first national state election where a Muslim woman

(17:06):
has I'm not saying that right but it's it's a first,
it's one of the first. And then of course with
Mayor Mam Donnie or Mayor elect Mam Donnie for a
people that I've seen deal with disenfranchisment and deal with
increased prejudice. Since you know, two thousand and one, if

(17:28):
you're feeling proud, I want you to know that I
feel proud with you, and I celebrate those particular facets
of you know, this week's developments with you. I'm just
really excited for the growth that I see and I
hope that I hope that it's well received by all

(17:49):
of you. So all right, let's move on, all right. Sunday,
Donald Trump appeared on sixty minutes and revealed his thoughts
on the controversial practices of ICE agents in urban cities
and at the US border. Morgan, this time we're going
to get started with you tell us more about Trump's
comments on ICE, and then Bria, we'll get your thoughts next.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
So, as you mentioned on Sunday, Donald Trump appeared on
sixty minutes and he addressed the role of US Immigration
and Customs Enforcement also known as ICE agents, operating in
urban cities across the US and at the border, the
US border. Now, he defended aggressive enforcement tactics and declared
that the agency's operations quote haven't gone far enough. Now

(18:31):
this is despite some of that violence that we have
already seen. I mean, it's all over the internet, right. So,
he attributed the perceived limitations of enforcement to being held
back by liberal judges appointed in previous administrations. And while
the interview cited video evidence of ICE agents using tear

(18:52):
gas smashing car windows, she showed ICE tackling a mother
and conducting urban raids. Trump still responded, he mean, he
doubled down, He stood on tent and said he emphasized
that the need to remove undocumented persons, many of whom
he says are criminals and otherwise dangerous people. He said
that his administration's over arching policy, if you came in illegally, quote,

(19:17):
you're going.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
To go out.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
So he also acknowledged that while the policy begins with
ousting those who entered illegally, there still may be some
pathway to return legally. Although are we really trusting what
this president says? I'll finally, I'll just say that he
framed success not as an immediate endpoint, but as a

(19:40):
long term process. So it almost seems like, and I
equate this a little bit to the National Guard coming
to DC, because it's like, all right, clean up the city,
and sure, I will give Trump a little credit in
the sense that crime is down in the district the
National since the presence of the National Guard, However, some

(20:05):
of the efforts that the National Guard is supposed to
be doing in tandem with ICE has become one of
those situations that is like, we know this isn't going out, right.
Elected officials even in this area know this isn't happening
properly and right, but it's it's a situation that it's
almost like, well, what can we do now?

Speaker 2 (20:26):
In DC?

Speaker 3 (20:28):
It's very tricky because DC is a district, and it's
obviously not run like any of these other states, and
and and so some of the states have other protections
in place. But when I look at what's happening with,
you know, this whole the whole ICE raids, the things,
the way that people are seemingly being picked up and kidnapped,

(20:51):
and sometimes these raids, these ICE agents don't have to
identify themselves, or they're supposed to, but they don't.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
They're wearing masks.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
It's it's very it's very telling to the times, it's
telling to the people, you know, in the sense that
people are very scared, but also don't know what to
do because how do you how do you fight back?
And there also needs to be a sense of cohesion
among those who who fight back and you know, have

(21:25):
a right to fight back because you know, there are
a lot of people who are being picked up that
aren't even that are that are that don't even qualify
for this type of treatment US citizens. So there does
need to be a checks and balances. But it's interesting.
I'm not I don't know. It's interesting. But at the
same time, I'm not surprised that President Trump has said
that more needs to be done or it hasn't gone

(21:47):
far enough.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
I'm interested to hear your takes three.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
Well, I'll just say this, Morgan is right.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
I mean, we all see that people in these areas
are very scared right now because of the severity of
the way that everything played out. I think the Trump
administration came in way too hot.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Now we know, Donald Trump won.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Because we were coming off a very interesting past two
years with the Biden administration, some highs, some lows. But
this immigration, this border issue was the biggest issue with
a lot of people because we literally saw video of
migrants running across the water into Texas and there's nothing
they could do about it because people at the border

(22:33):
were outnumbered. So you've got a reporter down there just
and a photographer just taking video of people just running
into the country. Where else can you do that. I
think people were becoming fearful for their lives, fearful for
their own benefits and well being because it looked like
it was extremely chaotic. Now, to be fair, I don't

(22:55):
know all the ins and outs of everything that happened
down at the border, but all we kept hearing was
how bad it was and how there just wasn't enough
people and so the situation got out of control. So
the Trump administration was able to use that into letting
people know, look, we need to get this under control,
we need to have order. And then they brought in
the fact that the Vice president at the time, Kamala Harris,

(23:15):
was not going to the border. That was another issue
that people had a problem with, like why aren't you
recognizing that this is a problem. But the issue came
with them starting to demonize and weaponize migrants coming in
as if everybody was bad. Now, there always is going
to be some bad with the good. But I think

(23:36):
when they finally got an office, because they played on
the country's emotions at that time, they did way too
much with how they were trying to round migrants up
and get them processed or out of the country or
whatever they wanted to do. It became like watching a
horror movie. And I don't think anybody was expecting that,
and I don't think anybody was ready for that. I

(23:58):
think they thought it was going to be a different process,
but nobody was prepared for the way we were introduced
into rounding up people who you think came into this
country illegally. So every day, even now still, we're watching
ice roll up on people outside. We're using tear gas,
we're using you know, military tactics. We are breaking into
daycares to grab people up in front of their kids.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
We are trying to go in churches.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
It's just become a bigger issue because they came in,
in my opinion, doing way too much, and they didn't
have a real plan, in my opinion, so it got
out of control.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
And so the civil rights groups now.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
And immigration advocates are condemning President Trump, particularly for this
interview as well, calling him his commons dangerous. And you
know how Ice is operating dehumanizing to people. Whether you
think they're undocumented or not, they are still human. Everybody
deserves a level of respect, even if you know, are
trying to round people up to make sure they're you know,

(24:58):
in the country legally. I just think think that it
was a terrible rollout and this is the result of
that terrible rollout. There was no real plan and so
for that, I do believe that Republicans are going to
have consequences come this next election cycle. And we just
saw that it's going to be a problem. And I
think instead of President Trump doing these interviews where his

(25:22):
comments are more inflammatory, he's like fanning the fire instead
of trying to calm it down. I think his administration
and the people who are around him and in his
ear every day, he should listen to them, or if
they're not talking to him, to him, they need to
speak to him and let him know there's a better
way to do this. Because you're not gaining any popularity.
A lot of the things that you said where day
one policies are not done. You have people now worried

(25:44):
about how they're going to eat, how their kids are
going to eat, because we are still waiting on those
snap benefits as of right now to come back. The
government shut down allegedly is supposed to be ending soon
as we speak. They're trying to negotiate Democrats and Republicans
and so hopefully that will be cleared up this week.
That's what we want.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
These interviews that he goes on and does, it seems
like he continues to fan the flames. And so I
understand the severity of what was happening, but I think
it's even more severe when we are targeting people in
our country. We don't do that. That's not what we're
used to seeing. There's a better way, and I want
them to figure out what that way is and to
just try to calm all of this down, because all

(26:25):
it does is build up more rhetoric from both sides,
and then that creates chaos, even more chaos.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Well, you know, I'm in Arizona and it's hot here, mom,
like ice. Ice is problematic in a lot of ways.

(26:57):
Let me get you some game. So where I live,
this used to be Mexico right back in the day,
the United States made up a war with Mexico. I

(27:19):
remember correctly how to do it. Slaves crossing over or
something like that, or you know, maybe some territories, some settlers,
something like that. But the US and made up a
war with Mexico so that they could beat Mexico and
get some land out of like a concession. And so

(27:41):
it was a short lived war, the Mexican American War,
and all this land was given to the United States.
It was like half of the size of the country
was given to the United States. On the other side
of that, all the people that lived in this land
that was Mexico became United States citizens, although ethnically they

(28:06):
were Mexican native peoples mixed with Spanish peoples, you know
what I mean. There were some native tribes and there
were you know, Spanish people that were a little further
south from Spain. So I want folks to bear that
in mind when I tell you this next part. The
United States has a history of taking advantage of countries

(28:31):
around the world and exploiting poor people. Now, poor people,
when they get poor enough, are going to seek a
way to ease their fiscal path forward to acquire their
basic necessities, and since money makes the world go around,

(28:53):
this means that people need money to eat, to live,
to heal themselves, etc. So the one way that people
get money to most is by working. And it's typically
if there's not enough work, or people can't get to
work for you know, a long enough period of time,
or somehow there's problems with them getting money from their labor.

(29:18):
That's typically when people resort to crime. That's typically the
way it works. People aren't born criminals, right, People just
kind of get pushed into that life and some stay
there because that's all they know. I'm not trying to
pretend they aren't bad people, but that's a fact. There

(29:38):
was a lot of work in this part of the country.
There still is a lot of work in this part
of the country for the people who live in this
part of the land mass. Right. There are people that
cross the border to do work and they cross back,
or they come here to work and send money back,
or they come here to work live, pay taxes into
the system, cannot benefit from this system, but that maneuver

(30:00):
is better for their family south of the border. This
has been the case since this was Mexico. The climate
here you can grow crops, that sort of thing. These
farms aren't new, you know what I mean, So bear
that in mind. Obviously, our feelings about the border change

(30:23):
as a country from time to time. Nine to eleven
obviously changed how we felt about the border. Ronald Reagan
and George Bush had ideas about the border that weren't
They would sound super liberal compared to today's rhetoric, because
Mexico has long been a partner of the United States,

(30:44):
and these human beings, our brothers and sisters, fellow homo
sapien sapiens come here to work. That's what they do.
Immigrants are less likely than US citizens by a long
way to commit crimes. Facts. Joe Biden had a bipartisan

(31:07):
border deal on the table, they had worked through it.
Donald Trump called in the eleventh hour. I've said it
many times on the show. We covered it when it happened.
Donald Trump called in the eleventh hour and said, no,
Republicans don't vote on that because if Joe Biden has
a weak border, he's vulnerable to another campaign from me.

(31:27):
I ran a campaign that was successful saying build that wall.
And if Donald Trump is good for anything, it's playing
white folk's greatest hits. If I can stoke fears of
racism and a criminal invasion on the southern border, then
I can win the presidency again. So don't vote on
that bill. That's what tanked Joe Biden's border deal. That's it.

(31:51):
It is not more complicated than that. It had nothing
to do with Kamala Harris, had nothing to do with
Joe Biden. They did their job. Donald Trump ruined that
border deal, okay. And then Donald Trump got into office
and all of that hateful rhetoric he was spewing. The
people that normally crossed the border and back back and

(32:12):
forth stopped coming. They was like, nah, not me. Now
there's people that lived here, and they were at different
points in the process of getting their papers and sorry
their citizenship and naturalization process, et cetera. And they didn't
think that they were on Donald Trump's radar because indeed,

(32:32):
he campaigned saying it's an invasion, coupled with they're sending criminals. Okay,
So Stephen Miller gets in, Donald Trump installs him, and
Steven Miller says, well, I need numbers that look like
we're effective as an administration. Since we said it was

(32:55):
an invasion, we need some big numbers, some big deportation numbers.
Now people aren't coming back and forth across the border
like they were when Obama was president. That's why Obama
had higher deportation numbers. People just not coming at all, right,
and our farms suffer, our economy suffers as a result.
We could be doing better. People don't feel that invisible
for us. But the truth is that we could be

(33:16):
immigrants for the most part overall help us. Right, So
Stephen Miller puts a quota on the amount of deportations
he wants, which causes ICE to become more extreme in
their approach to who should be deported. So now they're

(33:39):
snatching people at courthouses, they're snatching people at work, they're
snatching people at daycares, okay, and they're snatching people who
are US citizens. I believe I read recently, and I
don't have it in front of me, so I could
be wrong. But seventy percent of the people that ICE

(33:59):
have apprehended something like that had no criminal background at all.
And so now the justification for snatching up these violent
criminals isn't that they're the worst of the worst, or
it's a criminal invasion. It's the fact that they are
technically not here legally right, And there's I believe five
stages of legality in this country, So anything that is

(34:23):
below the fifth layer, they're deeming illegal. But you could
be here on a work visa, you could be here
on a student visa, you could be here on a
green card. But you know, you could be in the
process of an application. You get any any number of
iterations of your circumstances, and everybody that fits in that

(34:44):
box below, you know, the highest box is on the
menu for ice because they now have to hit these numbers.
And so this feeds the fever pitch created by Donald
try Trump and the right wing media machine. Now I

(35:04):
want to speak to a couple of points that you made.
You talked about crime being down in DC, and I
want to make this point because facts are facts, and
I don't want that narrative that he's trying to chronicle
to be the only one. So I will say this,

(35:28):
in DC crime was already dropping. Okay, I'm sure there's
people that could argue, perhaps successfully, that Donald Trump's political
maneuvers and implementation of additional agents on the ground have
caused an even sharper decrease in crime rates. I haven't
seen that data, but I'm sure people could argue that successfully.

(35:50):
That's not the point I'm trying to make. What I
will say is that if crime is down, I would
argue that freedom is down to I was recently on
the ground in DC and it felt like that there's
a lot of different people that live in d C.
Not just you know, it's Chocolate City. I love that,

(36:10):
but it's not just black people that live there. And
you know, imagine living in a society where the law
says nobody can go outside, so, you know, and then
that society boasts about having zero percent crime rates, you
know what I mean. So the cost of this decrease

(36:34):
in criminal activity comes at the cost of, you know,
personal freedoms and liberties. And I'd argue that addressing the
root cause of crime, which is poverty in the vast
majority of cases, will have an effect on reducing crime
that doesn't cost people their freedoms. Okay, So I want
to make sure I said that. And then as far

(36:57):
as like Ice needing to do more Donald Trump's words,
I've seen videos of Ice shooting up a car with
kids in the backseat and a woman driving it yelling
don't shoot. There's kids in the car. Why are you
shooting in my car? I've seen violent takedowns of protesters

(37:20):
standing protesting, not running, not posing a threat, just standing still,
violent takedowns and protesters tear gassing beatings. I saw an
ICE agent shoot a reporter who was on their side.
A right wing reporter gets shot in the leg, you
know what I mean. And I have not seen ICE

(37:44):
vehicles get shot up, you know what I mean. And
so for him to say that, you know, these radical
left terrorists are you know, ignoring the fact that he's
put the terrorists on the ground in these communities is
the craziest work of all. So I know said a lot,
but I feel like that all needed to be said,
and Ques not on today. So I wanted to make

(38:04):
sure that I punched in a couple of things I
thought he might like to say as well. So yeah,
hope that colors in the lines a little bit better. Hey,
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here with us discussing this week's major stories. All right,
now we shift over to some entertainment news making headlines
this week, and it involves fraud claims Spotify and streaming
numbers from one of the music industry's biggest stars. Bri

(39:03):
let's get back to you tell us more on this story,
and then Morgan, we'll get your thoughts next time.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
A legendary West Coast rapper RBX, you might remember him
from the Chronic and the early Death Row days. Well,
he's suing Spotify and it's not just a personal bee
for him. He's filed a class action lawsuit claiming that
the platform allowed billions of fake streams to inflate numbers
for artists like Drake, while smaller artists got shortchanged. Now,

(39:29):
to be clear, Drake isn't being accused of doing anything
shady himself, but RBX is saying that Spotify turned a
blind eye to streaming fraud, and he's talking about bots,
VPN tricks and other tactics that allegedly boosted play counts,
and when those fake streams wrack up, he says, the
royalty pie shrinks for everyone else saw the real artists.

(39:51):
So rbx's lawyers are arguing that Spotify had the tools
to detect this kind of fraud but did not act,
and possibly because inflated number are helping with ad revenue
and also investor optics.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
So Spotify, of.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Course is denying it all and says that they got
they've got anti fraud systems that are in place to
prevent this, but ourbx's campus calling those systems window dressing.
So if this lawsuit does gain any traction, it could
be a game changer for the industry. It's not just
about one artist. That's about how the streaming platforms treat
the entire ecosystem of creators, and this wouldn't be the

(40:26):
first time that has been called into question. So the
question people are asking online is are the big names
getting an unfair slice of this streaming pie, and what
does fairness actually look like in this age of algorithms?
And quite frankly AI, while we're talking about it, you
saw what just happen with this artist.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
Zanayah Monet is that her name?

Speaker 4 (40:48):
She has a song that broke into Billboard and people
are having a.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
Fit like, what do you mean? She's not real?

Speaker 4 (40:56):
But the person behind that she just did an interview
with King and was defending her platform, saying, I'm a
real person and I created her, so she's like an
extension of me, and I feel like she's real. So yeah,
these are my words she's singing, And so Gail King
asked her, well, how would you feel if it was
somebody cosplaying a black woman? Would they still need to

(41:19):
What if that was a white guy writing like that
and uploading a black you know, avatar or whatever, creating
an AI identity that wasn't real?

Speaker 5 (41:27):
Would that be okay?

Speaker 4 (41:28):
And she paused and she was like, I understand that
point of view, but she's like, if it's their original.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
Work, then it's their original work.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
So a lot of people feel like these AI artists
are in this same vein too, like you're stealing money,
you're stealing revenue.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
There are people behind it.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Now we saw this girl's face, but what about the future,
and I'm blamed Timblan.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
That's funny. That's so funny. He gave some credibility to it.
Oh my god, that was a shots fired all right, Morgan,
what's up?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Oh honestly, yeah, I mean Breed pretty much covered it.
It was.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
It's an interesting story, you know, as she mentioned, Drake
is not actually named or as a as someone accused
of doing wrongdoing or he is not accused of any
wrongdoing in the He's only named in the lawsuit. But
it is interesting to see and I think again, as
we are in this digital era, there does need to

(42:24):
be these checks and balances when it comes down to
these streaming sites and whether or not these streaming sites
are operating.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Are they operating the same?

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Are they operating in terms of the numbers and how
they're calculating these streams?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
But to your point, Brie, yeah, nah, were not. And
then the AI, Yeah, it's complicated.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Its complicated, it is is and it really does throw
a monkey wrench in it into the lawsuits point that
further takes away from those who are you know, trying
to put their artwork out there. But then it's like
art is relative and AI can be seen as art,
so it's it's a little tricky. I do think that

(43:06):
there does need to be some checks and balances and
some categories, put some stuff in some absolutely, because it's
only gonna get worse, right, right, right, absolutely, yeah, to
your point.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Right. You know what, when I was little, I used
to watch The Twilight Zone. I never liked that show.
I never liked it, but it used to come on
really late, and it had that weird music exactly you
know it too, man. I didn't think you guys would
remember that, or just didn't think that that happened during
your lifetime, but it did. I was little, but I remember, okay, well,

(43:42):
that feeling watching that show. When I was little, there
was only like a couple of channels on that late,
and that feeling of watching that show that unease. I'm
not a fan of scary movies. I like to smile
and laugh. I don't like to be afraid. It's just
I realized it's necessary. It's not my thing. But that feeling,
that unease when I became an adult and bought my

(44:08):
own TV and lived on my own. I didn't have
to watch whatever was on TV. I could watch whatever
I wanted. There was DVDs all of a sudden, you
know that sort of thing. So I kind of lost
that feeling, that uneasy feeling, until I started seeing AI
videos and then it started to creep back in where

(44:29):
you see this sort of uncanny version of reality where
you're like, ugh, this is like soulless. They call it slop,
and I think that's a good word for it. And
once upon a time you could see the humanity in art.

(44:50):
Where I live, there's art everywhere. Some of it I made,
most of it I made. Why not why not make
something beautiful and then be a live to behold it?
Be alive, right, feed your spirit and your soul. You
know these sorts of things. I know, I sound like

(45:10):
a hug trees, Let's be cause trees are dope, right.
Ride a bike with your baby, That's what I'm gonna
do today. I'm gonna ride a bike with my son.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
We got new tires on our bikes yesterday, way outside,
you know what I mean? And when I see artificial
intelligence being used to create art as opposed to being
used to free human beings to be able to create art.
I feel like we've lost the plot entirely, and I,

(45:39):
for one cannot knowingly consume art devoid of soul and
spirit and so far I said this in a recent episode.
We were talking about this same story in fact, where
I'll come across those like they'll be like fifties remixes
of like popular hip hop songs, right, and they'll be dope. Right.

(46:00):
I can hear it and be like, man, what a masterpiece. Right,
It'll be like I don't know, some popular song Migos
or whatever, and it's redone in a motown's style or
you know, do wop style or something like that, and
it's dope. I'll be like, man, this is ill. And
then I'll hear it the one time and that's it.
Don't want to hear it again. It's just like a marvel.

(46:22):
It's just like a spectacle, but it's not something that
feeds my spirit and it doesn't have any replay value
to me. So I can see it the one time
and be like, Wow, look how far we've come as
a species. This is really cool that this is able
to happen. And I'll just listen to some Gucci man,
because you know, that's that's my guy, you know what

(46:44):
I'm saying. So, you know, I just.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
I don't know artists do they have a real complaint
about the Spotify thing, because I mean, okay, some people
might try to cheat the system, but I mean, you
saw Drake just lost his lawsuit saying that Kendrick Lamard
did the same thing.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
So he's not giving it up though.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
But yeah, as far as that, you know, I just
I think the most interesting thing about the Drake stuff,
and again we said this on this might have been
yesterday's episode, but the thing about the stuff with Drake
is that he's a almost like a laughingstock now, and

(47:30):
that's like kind of heartbreaking. I feel like every time
we talk about him, it's to say something, excuse me,
something negative about him. And it's not our fault. He's
doing it to himself, you know what I mean. And
he set himself up for this by having that initial
lawsuit going at Kendrick. And so while this headline implies

(47:52):
that Drake is inflating his own numbers, the reason that
that headline is a clickable headline in the first place
is because Drake tried to come at Kendrick suggesting that
his song not Like Us was only culturally relevant because
of inflated streams. And the fact is is that Dot
was on his square and he wasn't the one, nor

(48:15):
was he the two. And Drake found out the hard way.
And you know, like you said, he don't do it
for the Gramm, he do it for Compton. And that's
the sentiment that I always can get behind. So you know,
sometimes you just got to stay in your lane, Fan,
or stay in Toronto. Anyway, let's move on. As the
government shut down heads toward another week, black organizations like
the NAACP and the Urban League are using their platforms

(48:37):
to discuss how the shutdown is impacting black communities. One
organization has been noticeably quiet, and our next story will
probably help explain their silence. Morgan, give us the latest
news surrounding this organization, and then Brie, we'll get your
thoughts next.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, So black lives matter or do they?

Speaker 3 (48:52):
No?

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
As the US government shut down, as you mentioned, stretches
into another weekend, of course, is on track as being
the longest in US history, black civil rights organizations are
speaking up and speaking out, mainly the NAACP, the National
Urban League. They're spotlighting black communities and how this is

(49:16):
impacting Black communities across the US. Now, one prominent group
that has been notably quiet black Lives Matter, the b
l M, g NF Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Recent reports indicate that.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Well, the Department of Justice is actually currently investigating the
foundation and whether or not they misused tens of millions
of dollars in donations raised during the twenty twenty racial
justice protests that went down shortly after the death of
George Floyd. Breonna Taylor Ahmad Aubrey. Of course we were

(49:55):
all there, we saw the Black Lives Matter movement. So
this prob is being conducted by the US Attorney's Office
for the Central District of California, and it was reported
by CBS News that it involves the scrutiny of the
nonprofits finances, including multimillion dollar purchases of property in LA

(50:20):
that was apparently used with donated funds. So in response
BLM to the investigation, BLM has said it is not
a target of any federal and criminal investigation and reaffirmed
that it does have a commitment to transparency and serving
black communities. So it's giving right now. Honestly that the
that BLM is kind of silent in the sense that

(50:42):
they're fighting their their battle, their legal battle or their
litigation battles, but also at the same time not speaking
up at a time where it's like, hello, this is
you know, so it's it's I don't know, it's It
gives very much indifference in the current political climate, and

(51:05):
it also makes you wonder. And this is why I
think black people, to an extent, at least after the
most recent presidential election, kind of are sitting down reflective, like,
all right, well, let me figure out which battles I
pick and choose which organizations I'm going to support, which

(51:28):
times I'm going to get up and use my voice
and my fisticuffs to fight the fight the power, and
also understanding, you know what organizations you want to back
because of this type of thing. This is reminiscent of
Tyra Tyra Banks on Top Model when she was like,

(51:50):
we were rooting for you, we were all rooting for you.
And it's kind of like a bit of a slap
in the face. It's not a bit of a slap
in the face. It very much is a slap in
the face because to see, you want to believe that
organizations can be birthed unfortunately out of these things like
the death of George Floyd or the death of Breonna

(52:12):
Taylor and Mahmad Aubrey. But you want to believe that
these organizations are going to do what they say they
intend to do, and not for just a moment in time,
not for just the four years or the five years
that it's cool for it to be in place, but

(52:32):
in perpetuity. You know, that's the idea that I think
us as a community has when we launch these movements,
is that it's not something that's going to be for
the now.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I mean, I'm sure when the Black Panther Movement was.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Launched, they didn't think, oh, well early two thousands, yeah,
we'll settle down. And you know, it's kind of like, well,
we have all of these organizations and as at some
point there does again need to be checks and balances
in the sense of everybody's got to get on the
same page. But it's fairly unfortunate to see what's happening

(53:08):
with a BLM and this particular, this particular lawsuit that
is happening, and how it's overshadowing what could be a
very positive thing.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
So yeah, forty ibree, Yes, So.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
You know, I will just say this, For many people,
a lot of observers, the question is like.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
Where are they?

Speaker 4 (53:44):
What is the purpose of supporting the Black Lives Matter movement?

Speaker 6 (53:48):
Now?

Speaker 4 (53:50):
It seems as though, in my humble opinion, from the
very beginning, more non black people were behind it. Maybe
there was a level of I don't know, how do
you say it, not guilt but empathy. Maybe I don't
know if you would even say empathy, but I feel
like other races were kind of more intrigued and like sympathetic,

(54:14):
so they gave to Black Lives Matter because they played
on the emotions of the public surrounding these very prominent
deaths of black people. But in the moments where black
people have needed Black Lives Matter, where have they been?
It's always been a question mark over that organization, and
that is what's really heartbreaking about it. Morgan, just to

(54:35):
kind of piggyback off what you said, what actionable change has.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
Black Lives Matter made for Black people?

Speaker 4 (54:42):
And I will just say this, if you recall mothers
in the spotlight, prominent black mothers who publicly criticized the
Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation Tamika Palmer, who is
the mother of Breonna Taylor. Back in twenty twenty one,
she called the organization a fraud and said that she
was frustrated that they used her daughter's name and story
to raise money but failed to support her family directly

(55:05):
or engage meaningfully with them. It was also similar criticism
from Samaria Rice. Now she is the mother of Tamir Rice,
and he is the twelve year old boy who was
shot and killed by a police officer and told She
told The New York Post that the Black Lives Matter
Global Network Foundation was benefiting off the blood of our
loved ones and accused the group of excluding families from

(55:27):
decision making while profiting off their tragedies. So just those
two examples, how are they still a thing? What is
the purpose of the network?

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Now? All right, let me see you farkin shore this
up just a little bit. I'm pulling a lot of
this from memory, so feel free to fact check anything
that I say, and if I'm wrong, please let me know.

(55:59):
But the way I understand it is Black Lives Matter
Global Network Foundation was once upon a time that was
Black Lives Matter as we knew, know and understand BLM

(56:19):
to be. At a point it splintered off into two organizations.
So there's the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation and
then there's the one that is less problematic, which is
called BLM Grassroots Black Lives Matter Grassroots. This is the

(56:45):
result of that split. Now, once upon a time, prior
to that split, Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation took money,
most of the money that they had received as in donations,
and they did their work. You know, they're people that

(57:06):
need to be paid to do jobs to you know,
to create marketing materials, to organize, to whatever, and then
gave away a lot of the money that was donated
to them for community efforts as part is they'll they'll
they'll prove it because there was already an accounting of this,
so they'll continue to provide it, I guess in perpetuity.

(57:29):
And then when they procured the property in question, that
was a multimillion dollar property, it was not some glorious
mansion with marble floors. It was a compound that allowed
them a hub to organize out of, with security and
high fenses and that sort of a thing. So it

(57:50):
was mischaracterized as some sort of personal investment for these people,
whereas the truth of the matter, it was a place
for people to organize. At least this is what they said,
and I believe that to be true. They, like the Panthers,
had opposition, governmental opposition. A government doesn't like anything black

(58:14):
and well organized, and never has. This is why Malcolm
X is dead. This is why doctor King was shot
in the head. This is why Huey Newton was shot.
You know what I mean. This is what happens in
these organizations. The organizations that these people are known to
have built have kind of been relegated to footnotes in history.

(58:36):
And that's no disrespect to you know, the to any
of these organizations themselves. But they are not as big
as the figures that led them, and they should be.
BLM was built so that there was no single figureheads,

(58:57):
so that no assassination could in the movement. But the
mischaracterization of facts kind of woven into propaganda can cause
the public to mistrust an organization that as well intentioned. Now,
the Split, I remember hearing about it and reading aback

(59:19):
because I have friends that worked with this organization, The Split.
I remember hearing about it, reading about it. I couldn't
tell you what it was about, but I do know
it was something serious. It was like, hey, look, we
got to do this, and these people are like, hey, no,
we got to do that, and you know that's what
it is. So that's why you end up with BLM
Global Network Foundation and BLM Grassroots. I know the people
from BLM Grassroots. I know that they feel like they

(59:41):
are doing the right kind of work. And that is
for me and the people that I know that is
Black Lives Matter, the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation,
what you would get when you go to black Livesmatter
dot com because they ended up with the domain is
the one that is now problematic now again the compound

(01:00:03):
that was purchased when it was all still under the
same roof. I've already told that part of the story.
But yeah, this Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation dealing
with their issues, perhaps picking their battles or otherwise being
silent on the government shutdown. I can't speak to that.

(01:00:24):
You know, maybe you're right there is just you know,
maybe there's nothing they feel like they can do, or
they're busy with other things to tweet about it, or
whatever it is that people are expecting from them, But
in terms of people that would like to continue to
support the thrust of the moment, the human moment that

(01:00:52):
you know is sort of encapsulated in an organization, I
would recommend doing your own research and finding out if
your principles and values aligned with BLM Grassroots. If so,
then I think that you might find a soft place
to land there. And I don't want to say that
Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation is problematic beyond any

(01:01:14):
significant point. I don't know that, but I do know
that of the two, the one that I've been told
as a little bit more it's a little further away
from kind of the radical roots that it was supposed
to be based around. That is this Global Network Foundation version.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
If it's grassroots that's doing the work, I have absolutely
all the respect in the world for anybody a part
of the organization that is actually doing the work. My
issue comes with the people who are in it for
profit and they are doing nothing for the people.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Yeah. Yeah, So that's not what I found with BLM Grassroots, nor,
to be fair, is it what I found personally in
terms of my personal investigation into Black Lives Matter Global
Network Foundation. I would have to go back and check
on what the split was. I don't think it had
anything to do with people enriching themselves personally. I think

(01:02:14):
that was really just kind of right wing propaganda to
kind of sew public mistrust and distrust of anything that
was pro black and cause white people to not support
anything black because now they're thinking, well black people have
black people still upped? Yeah, So but this is they
did this with the Panthers. Man, and you know, from California,

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so I grew up kind of having an appreciation for
the Panthers, and so we had to learn about them
and learn how they were vulnerable. And so when I
saw the rise of you know, BLM before twenty twenty,
I knew people that were members of Black Lives Matter.
I used to have to sit in meetings with him,
me and doctor Westernberg and the Black Lives Matter people,
and you know, so Black Lives Matter was around since

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Trayvon Martin was shot in twenty twelve, so it's never
been problematic until all of a sudden they said these
people bought a bunch of mansions, which just wasn't true.
And I think that stain and the subsequent split has
caused a lot of the optics to be confused, but
I don't want people to run with the narrative that

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black organizations that are doing pro black things in the
community are problematic across the board. But I do know
that the one that I vetted personally, that I know
the people in personally, that's what you'll find if you
go to BLM Grassroots and if you find that their
values aligned with yours. You know, based on what I know,
which again I don't know everything about everybody, but based

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on what I know, that is what you're looking for
if you liked what was happening in twenty twenty. So
with that in mind, I think i'll leave it right there.
It's been a long show, but I think it's been
a good one. As always, I'd like to thank you
both very much for your time and your insight, your brilliance,
and once again today's guest RBI in news as Morgan Wood.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Thank you, Ramses, thank you Cher Yes, thanks for having us.
Appreciate you.

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