August 20, 2025 • 42 mins
This week The Rage Pod talks with psychotherapist and best selling author Jennifer Cox ("Women Are Angry") to discuss female rage. Also, we check in with The Rage Hotline and let's just say, stop trying to sell her life insurance.
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on their podcast ever.
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, which is.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
The funniest title for any podcast ever. But I don't
know who would listen to it, except I still want
that to be our other thing.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It'll be our next It's very good, all right. I
saw the propeller.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
She was already helicoptering us to move on. We are
to start it.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We're on the tarmac right now.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
We are on the we are flying by. We got
to welcome people to the Rage Spot. That's what she's saying.
I was just trying to sit here and have a nice.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Chat, have a nice chat, do my nails.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
F W won't have it. She's not having it.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Propellers up.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
All right, Well, let's go, let's fly into it. Let's
sell it to the Rage pod.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Every other Thursday, we have joy. Yeah, we've taken our meds.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Meds help us. They help us a lot to just.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Like we're not anti med on this podcast, so we
are not in case that was unclear.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Literally, take however many you want to get going in
the morning.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Tara takes fifty seven supplements. I do in the morning,
I really do.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I might give me all the mushrooms, all my meds,
any uppers, plus coffee that makes it. Whoever wakes up
and says that coffee doesn't make them happy in the
morning or like tea, I'm like, you have to have something.
Fine if you're gonna be one of those health nuts.
It's like water with lemon. It makes me happy. That's fine.
(02:09):
I think I did that for a minute and then
I quit it. We're not This is not some boot
tis that's in Taiwan. You do want to live in Taiwan.
If you haven't watched The White Lotus, you have to.
Oh my god, pepper no makes me happy. Yeah see,
it's literally the best. Great Okay, So what what are
(02:30):
you liking right now?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Like? What?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Because it's not all just gonna be like we're mad, raging,
like we like life too. There's some good stuff around
and I'm wondering what you like right now or skip it?
We just can't we just skip it?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I mean, we can talk about that later.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, you want to talk about what you don't like?
Feah a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I feel I do. Got to talk about something that
really irritates me.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, because I mean this episode we're talking about female rage,
talking about rage, you're gonna tap into it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I cannot. I hate it. Oh god, I almost okay.
I hate it when someone in a group setting, you're
having a commersat, maybe it's an office meeting, maybe it's
a friend group, you know, maybe it's I don't know,
a book club or something, and you say something and
then someone else right after you literally says the same
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thing but just uses different words.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Switches it just enough to make it as if they
didn't hear you, as if like exactly like exact and look,
it's probably what's coming out of my mouth as bullshit.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
But then like make up your own bullshit?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Why are they doubling down on the bullshit?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Why are you doubling down? And also like make up
your own bullshit?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
They're literally using your exact same idea and like moving
words around.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It's plagiarism in the moment and this.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Person, I guarantee it. This person does it. It's the
same person. Is it the same person?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Listen? We know are guilt, many are guilty of this,
But there was one perpetrator in my life that it
was real bad in a work setting. Oh, real bad.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well then you've got you know what I would do.
I start throwing out the worst ideas, fireable offenses, just
to see how they see it out.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well, pack it up, deal with that. I feel like
they could just go hard on the contrast, which is
still kind of using you.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Totally, meaning going in the opposition, run opposite direction to
make you looks to me, still get the last to
still get the last word.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And it's like, cool, I get it. You want FaceTime,
you're nervous, you want a promotion, whatever, Just all I'm
saying is come up with some other shit. Because it
was like it was relentless. It was like every single
time I would say something, I was like, oh, I know.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
She's going to say something after me, and just make
it this it's literally the same thing, and just move
it and just making if it was anyone today would say, hey,
what's going on over here? Like what's up with this chick?
What you said it first.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I think people are they're dealing with their own ship,
you know what I mean. A lot of times people
you think someone's mad at you, they're dealing with their
own ship. They're not even thinking about, you.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Know, the rest of the people in the meeting. I'd
be like, oh, that's just what Ebar just said.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I know, I know, but I think people were just
all in a constant state of panic. So to have
room to be thinking of other people, like bettering other
people's lives was not on the.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Table, but it should be.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
But it does it like makes you crazy, like a
you feel gas lit right, like totally wait, did I
not just say that?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Like you're like, oh my god, did I say that
in my head and then it not come out of
my mouth?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Like?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Am I did I take a pot? Gummy?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
They make you feel because that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
When it when I take edibles right, Like You're like,
the whole conversation is happening on the inside, but I
think it's happening on the outside. So I'm like number
one that too. It's like, as women, we already feel
like nobody listens to us, right, we always feel like.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
We we also feel like silenced in a way or
not heard in a way that I think other people are.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Right by other people. Do you mean men?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I mean men?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
But like I was, I was like, what do we
are you scared to say men?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
What do we men?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Okay? I got it out.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I got it out.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I got it out.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Okay, we we did it.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
We did it. We did I'm proud of you. Yeah. Yeah, No,
I think I think like as women, we you know,
we get talked over a lot. Yeah, and so so
that feels like a form of being talked over. We
feel silenced, and then I feel crazy. I'm like, oh
my god, did I not just say that? Did I
not just say that? Did I not just say that?
And then that's happening. So I just think that that's
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a small, real life example that you can see how
female rage plays out.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I think there's a difference because me
and you can literally have a conversation where you're talking
and I'm saying somebody at the same time, except I'm
registering what you're saying. You'll hear what I'm saying, and
we'll always get back. Yeah, we'll be talking over each other,
but I'll be answering your question, you'll be answering mine
or moving on. I'm clocking it because we can multitask.
(07:08):
I feel like men can't.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I'm just gonna yell. And this coworker was not a man, yeah,
to see and what it made me feel like?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
She was a man right because it happened. I mean,
it happens with with men and women. So it's not
like we we hate men because we date them, but
it's like we're just trying to make in society. It's
sort of been that way for a.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
While, right, And I mean, well, yeah, that's like we're
gonna power. That's the power dynamic that has existed for
forever and continues to exist in different ways, right.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And so that's something we're going to talk about on
the on the old pod, the Rage Pod, which I mean,
if you didn't pick that up, look the title, but
the ages, Yeah for sure. And but I want to
talk about our cunt of the week. We're gonna get
into air.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
It stands for.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Before you all are like waiting for us to shit
all over women.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
We're not cut, we're not dands for courageous, unapologetic, notorious.
Ten women ten out of ten women can't wait you
you gotta stick around.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And also we're going to of course check in with
Freddy Wendy on our rage hotline.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Let's where we can go.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
We're gonna hear some great stories of rage. Help check
in with the Raid, our fellow ragers. And just so
you know, we want to hear from you. We want
you to call in. This is a safe space. You
can say anything and there will be no judgment.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
True, it's like we want to hear all of your
thoughts or even I've said this before, we could hear
your joy too, what you're happy about. I need to
hear lay it down, what you're mad about, and then
lay it down maybe what you're happy about, because we
want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, I'll steal your joy. That's something I don't I
think everyone should steal everyone else.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Absolutely piggyback on that. We will. We run that us
the ted pole, the tadpole, the flagpole, the flagpole, run
it up the tadpole, the tadpole, the tadpole.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Eric has a stand up set where she talks about
running it up the flagpole, where you talk about in
like the office, and I'm never I never am, And
so I was like, is it tadpole.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, you run it up, running up the tadpole, circle back,
taking it offline so I can make proper sis. We said,
we're pro meds on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Calls at two one three two nine three five nine
nine five, or you can email us at the rage
pot at gmail dot com. You'll hear more about that.
We'll we'll tap into that that old little rage pod later.
You'll hear some stuff. But we should talk about, Oh,
we got a guess, We've got.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
A great guest today. I'm so excited. That's like what
I should have said. But then that would have been
a lot about just we would have been previewing our
guests four times if I had said, that's what brings
me joy.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, it's too much. She doesn't need that. She's already
cool enough.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, she's also like like you're a little thirsty exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
It's like it's like when you walk into a room
and there's like a guy or girl and they're just
like overly attractive. You're like, I'm not going to give
them any attention because they already know how attractive they are,
you know, and you're just like ignore, ignore, don't make
eye contact.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
There's like a support group out there for super hot people,
totally neglect.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I feel neglected by people like me because I'm like, Nope,
not giving you, not even one little flutter of an eye.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
No, someone just goes out there and busts up their
face just because they can have a conversation in a
social setting. Okay, our guest today is so many things,
it's incredible. She's a psychotherapist, she's a speaker. She's an
author of the best selling book Women Are Angry, which
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won the Times Best Self Help Book of the Year.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
She's also a scholar, a podcast host of Women Are Mad,
and she's also a co founder of the social movement
Women Are Mad Wham.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I love all things Wham. By the way, the band
and this social movement, both of them are great. She's
a regular contributor to various international outlets on feminism and
global health, and in her practice she's helped so many patients,
so many women. We are talking to a powerhouse in
the world of navigating female rage. We get to chat
(11:30):
with the Jennifer Cocks. Let's go thank you so much
for being on the pod today. Jennifer your craft of language,
like I just kept writing down shit that you put
in there because.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Oh that is honestly, that makes me so happy. Tell me, though,
how was it to an American ear? Because I worried that,
you know, once it got four in America, I thought,
but there's so much in there that is so Brittish
like slangy.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Oh it was great. I just well, for so many reasons,
will you take me in?
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Like?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Can you can? Can we just move?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I'm setting off a whole shed.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Great for Americans, that's so kind of You're probably like,
it's really bad when the UK is also the place
of salvation, like places that haven't typically been, like you know,
on the extreme side of progression when they are I
mean literally, we left Britain for independence and now we're like,
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please take us back.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I want to ask you question, like what would your
top thing or maybe top three things that you would
tell a young girl to not only give her confidence
but also help her deal with possible unsuppressed anger or rage.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I'm sure we all remember when we were that small,
really feeling as if we had no choice other than
to be very well behaved, very polite, good kind, sweet,
and very caring. And I think this kind of caring
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thing really comes us unstuck as we get older, but
it begins here. And what I would say is you
don't have to care for people. That's not your job,
like numero uno, that's vital. I think another thing is
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shout be loud, like do show off, do make a scene,
do be the clown in the classroom, do it all great?
Speaker 5 (13:44):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
We were doing that. We do it every day even
though we were told not too.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, yeah, well good, and so thank god. You know,
some of us as adults are able to kind of
find that, but a lot of us aren't. And so
it's kind of carried through through all the way from then.
And I think what would I say as a third thing,
like don't don't please people, don't be out to make
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people like you, or because the thing is, if you
think about how we generally stay safe and how we
learned to stay safe, it's actually mostly by making sure
that people don't hate us, because if they hate us,
we're in danger. So you know, if we that's the
kind of learned habit of a lifetime, then that sort
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of you know, flows into people pleasing and falling and
all the rest of it where we think we've made
ourselves safer but it's a total kind of myth and
it's and it's not real. And I think if we
could learn at those earliest points that that isn't the
most direct or effective way of staying safe in a
room or you know, with a man, then I think
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we'd probably be kind of stronger in the end.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And the recognizing that avoiding people hating you is not
the goal, but knowing that, whether it's a young girl
or even an adult woman, that it is going to
feel uncomfortable for a while to experience that, like, oh,
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I think this person may not like what I did
or what I said, or might even not like me.
But I'm living my true life. I'm getting out what
I need to. But that feels uncomfortable because we are
conditioned to not be hated, like you said, for that
safety and that survival, Like how do you how should
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women what tools can they use to work on that
part of it?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I mean that's so interesting, isn't it? Because the thing is,
you know, reality has it we are in danger, Like, yes,
we are, it's a fact. Yeah, So how do we
like navigate the the attempt to keep ourselves healthier by
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not doing this indirect pleasing fawning, please don't hurt mething
and instead like put our energy into ways of making
ourselves better protected and stronger and really safer kind of
you know, irl, when what we know is that that
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shit aggravates people, men especially and women. Let's not forget
all the internalized stuff. Yeah, but you know, it is
very difficult if you're advising other women, women, especially younger
women or girls. You know, if you're saying just be bulshy,
just be really kind of straight talking and tough and
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say it. Yeah, do but also, oh my god, like
you could really kind of go people that way that
don't want to hear it. And then what I think
this is obviously where in the book I was really
keen to stress this is an issue not just for
women to sort out. Please, you know, for once, let's
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really bring in the men. Let's get them to help
us think about this, Like, how can we do this together?
Because they're not having such a great time either. They
might think they are, but look at the suicide rates
among men, you know, look at the ways in which
their health is compromised by repressed feelings, not anger, but
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many other feelings.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, yeah, they get to have that, they get plenty
of outlets for anger. They're allowed. They're allowed. Yeah, they
get a voucher when they're true. Yeah, when they're born.
You know, the baby girl is basically like as you
talk about, she's born, and she gets a laundry list
of all of the emotional burdens that she's gonna need
to carry, and men get a voucher to rage out
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all they want.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yeah, it's true. Yeah, in a kind of season ticket.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, a season ticket. They get season tickets front row.
They're actually in a box. They get their own box.
They get a press box. So speaking of you know,
we're talking about changing the relationship that we as women
have with rage, right, and how we view it and
then how we process it, and that can be I mean,
(18:29):
we're talking about you know, reconditioning is really hard because
just because you might recondition doesn't mean the world around
you will so. And then also obviously we know as
you get older, change gets harder. It's just it's a fact, right,
Like neurologically it gets harder for us to change the
patterns in our brain. Like physically it's harder for us,
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doesn't mean it's impossible, because otherwise it's like, well, let's
just like party, right, Let's just throw one big, you know,
banger of a party and forget about it.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
But but but there are ways that you can do that.
So you know, what are some things like just some
tools And I know you talk about it in the book,
which is so odd, like some of the stuff of
like staying off social media until the afternoon, like really
allowing yourself to wake up in the morning and checking
in with your body and how you're feeling and why
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you might be feeling that way. But I'm also thinking
about like, okay, so maybe you do that and like
for a month things are good, but then something sets
you back right and you regress. Like, what are some
some ways that we can think about making lasting change
and building armor for the ways that society is going
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to challenge that.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah, I think a key thing I would say there
actually is that if we experience setbacks, you know, like
you're you're saying, which are natural and will happen whatever
our intent, we especially as women, I think, punish ourselves
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for that having happened, don't we Yes, And it's you know,
we kind of find it really difficult to be compassionate
and to sort of forgive ourselves for slipping up, or
for making mistakes, or for kind of you know, coming
off our path a bit, if what we were trying
to do was for self development. But I think the
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first thing I would say is we need to not
be hard on ourselves kind of ever, because in fact
we're saying to a patient today. As women, I think
we have to pretty much assume that the vast majority
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of us. I wouldn't like know the sort of stats,
but I do. I am convinced that the vast majority
of us have been brought up and conditioned in this
way that means that we wouldn't dare be kind to ourselves.
You know. Essentially it's all about making sure everyone else
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is fine, prioritizing them. And I think we can assume
that that's the case pretty much across the board for
like all females, maybe with the odd exception.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Oh, I think women are like constantly putting themselves in
their own jail all the time.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I mean, aren't they, which is probably why they don't
end up.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
In real jail, right, they do that all on there,
that's right. I've had enough jail time for my lifetime exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
And yet you know, we are so brutal, We're so
hard on ourselves, and I think we will slip up,
you know, of course, and we should because we shouldn't
even be going for perfect that's not healthy anyway. But
I think just gently kind of steering ourselves, like refusing
to feel bad about slipping in our you know, resolutions
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that we've set for ourselves, refusing to feel bad about
it and deciding instead, Yeah, of course I'm not perfect.
I'm human, and look everything I've got on my plate.
Of course I'm gonna accidentally go on social media too
early and go down a rabbit hole every so often,
but that's okay. Tomorrow is a new day. I'll just
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correct that and I'll start again. And I think just
that habit of ditching the habit of being so mean
to ourselves is already a massive change, you know. So yes,
there are these micro changes we can put into place,
but I think probably a larger one, and the most
important one anyway, is just like being nice to yourself,
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there is no danger of you ever turning into some
kind of selfish see you next Tuesday, because I just
don't feel like I ever really meant those women.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
My partner says that to me, He's like, I want
you to be more selfish. I want you to be
more selfish. I guarantee you, Like you're scared that you're
going to be to He's like, I will tell you
if if that has happened. He's like, I don't think
that will happen.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
He will never have to tell you that happened.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, it's so crazy and too I think, you know,
I think something that can work for a lot of
people is going back and like talking to your younger self.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Right, why is it like a real almost trend? Is it?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Is it attempt But it does make sense that it's
almost like it's a different person, and it's easier to
be kind to this young child who hasn't what is what?
How could this child possibly know? But that child is
still you. So I think like, if you can, if
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that's a way, right, if you can be kind to
the younger version of yourself and then just know that
that's still yourself.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Yes, it's still the same brain.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
They write letters on married at first sight, which I'm
totally into right now, but they make them write letters
to themselves a kid and you'll see, just like this
guy who did I mean, just the worst. And then
they're there, they get married right away and they try
to make it work and there will be some tumultuous
stuff going on and it's not really like linking. And
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then they write the letters and they have to read
them aloud to each other about what they wrote to
their child, wow, to themselves as a kid, and their
relationship changes. Not for the long term, because of course
there's not a lot that they're totally set up and
great for success.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
It's not a recipe for success.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah, but it's it is funny that when they write
the letters that is shocking. But when they write the
letter that the that especially the women hearing from the men,
or the men he hearing from the women talking to
themselves as a child, that they change into that that softer,
more feminine side comes out, and that relationship has a
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softer area, like a nicer place to land in the interim,
although it doesn't last very long.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Well, they need they need to do what she was
saying earlier, which is not beat.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Up exactly for don't feel guilty about it.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
For having a setback, and then maybe they would keep
thinking about that little child.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Right yeah, yeah, I mean, well and if you think
about it, it's having a relationship is work, isn't it?
Like holding onto that relationship is so much work. I
guess like there must be something about the sort of
investment you're prepare to put in if you have, maybe
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something about knowing the person for a certain length of time,
like perhaps something just wow, what.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
A novel idea not getting married after five minutes and
seventy cameras.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
On you at all times? What? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Speaking of deconditioning something that really resonated, you say guilt
is a form of inverted rage, that it's like a
way of cleaning up after oneself, and that this particularly
shows up with teen girls. And I mean we all
like as comedians, I mean we joke about guilt all
the time, right, Like I come from a line of
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Irish Catholic alcoholics, so guilt is just like another way
of saying I love right right, It's just I mean
that's like literally in our oxygen and our blood. Yeah,
So I guess what are some again, specifically, I would
love just to hear even more on that that concept,
because I do think you have to wrap your head
(26:52):
around it, you know, guilt as an inform an inverted
form of rage. Can you kind of like touch on
that a bit?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I think, Oh God, it's so gross, isn't it, Because
you know, it really is disgusting. I think how we
are imprisoned by the captors that are our families.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
We're all in stark Starckholm syndrome. If you have a family,
you have Stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Oh you do? Oh but you really do? You know?
And I'm thinking about this more and more actually just
kind of since writing the book. I think like certain
strands of it have sort of I don't know, like
extended themselves into my mind and a kind of self
a gross but like are really kind of taking up
(27:46):
space there now, and I'm thinking, yeah, what do I
do with these? Because these won't go away? The book
didn't kind of fully resolve these for me, certainly not
among them. And I think this idea of the problem
of family and as you say, guilt, especially as I
think one genius way that families have of absolutely controlling
(28:09):
us and you know, keeping us in our.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Place, particularly women right.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Especially as women. I mean, like it's kind of incomparable
I would say, like you just boys, men, they will
never know. I don't think in general, in general, there's
probably some exceptions, but you know, to try and do
something that we know is outside of the wolves cheese.
(28:37):
I mean, there's nothing like it is there.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
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that we split our interview up into two parts. Stay
tuned for the second half this season on the Rage Pod.
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Speaker 2 (29:33):
All right, Yes, what time it is, Friendy Wendy. We
want to hear from our other ragers.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
All right, guys, We've got a couple emails and a
voice memo today. The first one is subject line, this
is not okay, Hey, Rage Pod what's happening in this
country is not just disappointing, it's dangerous. The rollback of
women's rights from abortion access to reproductive healthcare is deliberate
and terrifying. This is not about politics, this is about control.
(30:05):
I'm filled with a steady simmering rage and I'm done
pretending otherwise. Thank you for creating space where we don't
have to downplay our fury just to be taken seriously.
We shouldn't have to. From Carol and Denver.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Wow, thank you, Carol. We are not downplaying it. We
are uplaying it.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
We are up playing it. We are mad, Carol. We're
mad for us, for all of us.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
We're mad for women.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I agree with her Man's it is like a terrifying
thing what is happening, and the fact that it's it's
out of our control currently. I mean, we can help
the cause as best we can, but it's I just
feel bad for people who don't live in California, Like
(30:52):
I'm in a nice little bubble that my rights and
everything are in my body is protected because of the
state that I live in, and so that doesn't hit
me as close to home as it will be with
other people anywhere.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Else.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Oh yeah, I mean I have two toddler girls in
my house, and I have thought to myself, like, oh
what I like, I could never move to a red state.
I just couldn't I have girls?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Right right?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It is so sad what's happening. And I mean Friendy
Wendy was telling it. We were talking to her the
other day about like, even what state is it that
they are trying to remove the Indiana In Indiana, they're
trying to remove the word consent out of sexual education?
What funny when you say it all out?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Why? What is there? What is their argument? Why?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I don't know what there are? Do you know what
their argument is?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Nobody?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I think the argument is that they're like men are
sad because they can't take advantage of women as easily
without consequences.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
They want to take the word couldn't because that word out.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
It's the word consent that is causing harm across this guy. Wow,
it's not the men's sexually assaulting women, it's women understanding
the concept of consent. That's why I could do wrong
this country anyway.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That's weird that they would want to do that. All right,
You guys can anyways comment and tell us more jews
about it if you've got it.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
But Carol, I just want to say one was like,
we are with you. We feel the same way, yea.
And I think it's just more important than ever that
we really dig into our female solidarity and support one another.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
It's gonna be a bumpy ride, gonna be a bumping rude.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
All right, guys. Here is a voice memo from a listener.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
Hey Rage hotline. Harlan here from Provincetown, Massachusetts. What fuels
my rage is the news, cable news, in particular, this
crazy world that we live in. It is just getting
to be too much.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
That's why watch the news.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
We all know, well, you know, it's you know, it's
interesting about that, you know. Jennifer Cox talks about ways
that you can help deal process your age, and one
of the things that she says is that you should
stay off socials. She says, I like, she says socials
bingo until the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
That you should test that you should give you don't
get Yeah, give you give your mourning.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Right, yeah, give yourself a chance to check in with yourself,
you know, slowly like kind of slowly ease into the
day where you need to have you know your tools,
like where you need to arm yourself with defense against Yeah,
all the ship.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Right, like allow your serotonin dopamine to kind of hit
you have a be in a good place and by
the afternoon you probably be ready enough, yeah, to take
on all the crap that's coming at you.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Because it's it's it's triggering, it's and I mean, obviously
we're talking about social media, but social media is the
vehicle which where you're just getting an onslaught of information
around what's happening. It's just raining down rights being removed.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I know.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
And it's not even it's not even for me, uh
like the news part. It's also the reason I kind
of stay off of it is is comparison, which also
brings me despair. It compare and despair. She's did did
you make that up?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well, I'm going to say that did you read it?
I'm going to say that I take it because other
people have take my life.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Other people are taking her ideas claim it. That's called
a flip it and reverse it. I love it, Elliott, Yep,
flip it and reverse it. Okay, Yeah, I I feel that.
That's why I don't watch the news. And why also
I stay off socials. Maybe he's got to stay off
socials too, with my help.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I think taking taking breaks is really important, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Because then you can just focus on like the good,
like what you actually like, Like go get ice cream,
take a walk, freaking you can read, go throw axes.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
We've got one more.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
All right, let's go.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
I don't know whether to laugh, scream, or crawl into
a hole out of embarrassment, but probably all three. So
I get a missed call from a guy I went
on one date with about four years ago. It was
a fun night, flirty vibes, decent chemistry, good makeout sash,
but life happened and we never went out again. Shortly
after that, I got into a relationship that's now very
(35:25):
much over, and when I saw his name pop up
on my phone, I thought, huh, maybe he's circling back.
I called him back. I was open to it. I'd
even preapproved a potential second date in my mind. But nope.
Turns out he's not looking for love. He's looking for leads.
He just started selling insurance and was hoping i'd take
(35:45):
a meeting God so he could walk me through the
policies and maybe just maybe buy one. Excuse me, you
dug me out of your digital graveyard to make a
sales call. I don't know why it pissed me off
so much. Maybe because I felt foolish for thinking it
with something personal. Maybe because it reminded me how often
women are seen as networks to tap into, not people
(36:06):
to connect with. Either way, I felt slimy and weirdly humiliated.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Oh my god, he needs to be canceled anyway.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
That's my rage. Laugh, scream, or do both. Just don't
buy life insurance from your ex hingetack.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Okay, I got a policy for this guy. Fuck off exactly,
thank you.
Speaker 9 (36:24):
I cannot believe the audacity of someone. Dude, you went
on one freaking date with her, and you're like sitting
around thinking, huh oh, what it was he doing. He's
just surfing through his Oh god, I'm gonna be back
and fall in and thinker her into being on my
down line.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Oh my goodness, Like I would be so concerned for him,
that word is gonna get out on the street that
all these women who went on one date with him
are like, stay away from that guy. He tried to
sell me life insurance, which, by the way, if you're
this bad at reading the room.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yep, you think I want you to be in charge
of my life insurance.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Absolutely not. He's not gonna make one sale.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
No, he's not.
Speaker 9 (37:11):
What you're hitting up a woman you went on one
date with to make a sale for life and.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Which means which means you're just again if if that's
your target list, you're not You're not good at your job.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
No, bro, this is not your path. You need to
get out and run.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Also, like have have some like just take a beat
and think about how you knew this person when you
met them. What you don't know about this person because
you had one date right, one date? Absolutely absurd, Like
twenty thousand years ago. I can't, I literally last I
haven't checked in with this person. You know, she was
(37:51):
really cool, not like hey, let's go get coffee and
like see what she's up to. Let's just dive right
in with right sale, with a sale of life insurance,
of life insurance, like life insurance, you have to like
disclose some pretty personal details. Yes you do.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Like no, today I'm serving can't and I'm serving it
to him straight up on a silver platter.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
And we're not serving him cunt.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
No, we're not the week. We need to get to
that kind of the week. Just a reminder, it stands
for courageous, unapologetic, notorious ten of a woman.
Speaker 10 (38:43):
Okay, so we're here with the Rage Pod. We are
looking for a count of the week. We are here
out about in the world. Ride is upon us and
we are getting a cunt of the week combination from Sarah.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, that would be my mom. I here are you
all nominating for puns of the week? Font a lie,
I'll got out my fist over.
Speaker 10 (39:06):
There, allri gorgeous cheeks, I have to say, travel road.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
So if I had the count of a week alone
with my mom sounds crazy.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I knew that being out here and being able to
get three bucks to fit her all timer, she was
loved that.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
The first person that comes to my mind for like
very empowering woman would probably be my sister.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Honestly, she is.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
A brave revolutionary individual that is fighting against all kinds
of oppression. She's been an ally since she.
Speaker 10 (39:35):
Was I don't know, before I was born.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
She helps me.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Realizeable that I'm not visiitent sometimes, but I think that's
what I like about her.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
It's amazing she support she's so loving.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
She has always had my back.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
She's always been there, always been supportive.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
She's with the culture.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
She's always so confident and everything that she does.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
You know, she's an ally and we love that, Lady Mamololo.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I could not ask for a better sister. Twelve out
of ten right here, by the way, by what's going on.
There is a lot of kindness out in the world.
He's bringing it.
Speaker 10 (40:09):
We love that she's at She's pretty kind language.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Okay, well that kind of wraps up our episode. This
was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
If you all don't know, nobody knows where it came from.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Tara.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
No, she's Tara has two point five different accents. That
makes zero sense.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
She is from Vegas, and we do know where it
came from. You have never been the same since the
Mayor of East Town.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Literally, we finished watching Mayor of Eastown and within like
a week, all of a sudden, I just started here
No No, and I was like, oh my god, and
I thought like, oh, it's just in her head. It's
gonna go. No, it has stayed.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
It stayed. It's that or it's like Long from Long
Island Southern or Long Island. It's weird and we don't.
I lived with people from Jersey for like eight years
back when in my twenties, but I'm like, why does
it still stick around? And or I sound southern. I'm
not doing it on purpose, it just comes out, but
until when they bring it up. Then I'm very focused
(41:16):
on Like I could be like, well, if you enjoyed this,
hit subscribe, but I'm like, no, it's like if I
don't want to think about it, my that's how I
sound so like she has.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Like accent osmosis. I didn't.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
It's fricking weird.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Anyway, Well, we gotta we gotta move on.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Close this out. Speaking of liking and subscribing, if you
enjoyed this, please hit subscribe, share it with a friend,
get ready for more conversations on rage. And we just
want you to know you don't have to just calm down. No,
even though everyone's telling you to.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Right, We're hoping you feel a little more heard, a
little more validated with this old pod, a.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Little less isolated in your rage.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, not alone, You're not alone, and uh sot to
get to it. Let's have a friend of one you
take us out.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Let's do it all right, everybody, deep breath in one, two, three,
exhale rage, Scream into your pillow.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
A love it, love it.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Almost passed out.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
I might I might have vocal core nodules. But that's
all right.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
No, that's all right. We're going to sex surgery.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Bye byeye
You could get canceled for bad nails, bad cuticles.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I might get canceled for doing my nails in a
podcast studio.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Or no one's ever going to ask you to be
on their podcast ever.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
That that that will remain true regardless of my nails.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Just like how we wanted this to be your first pitch,
pitch for a podcast was no business having a podcast title.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, which is.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
The funniest title for any podcast ever. But I don't
know who would listen to it, except I still want
that to be our other thing.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It'll be our next It's very good, all right. I
saw the propeller.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
She was already helicoptering us to move on. We are
to start it.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We're on the tarmac right now.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
We are on the we are flying by. We got
to welcome people to the Rage Spot. That's what she's saying.
I was just trying to sit here and have a nice.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Chat, have a nice chat, do my nails.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
F W won't have it. She's not having it.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Propellers up.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
All right, Well, let's go, let's fly into it. Let's
sell it to the Rage pod.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Every other Thursday, we have joy. Yeah, we've taken our meds.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Meds help us. They help us a lot to just.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Like we're not anti med on this podcast, so we
are not in case that was unclear.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Literally, take however many you want to get going in
the morning.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Tara takes fifty seven supplements. I do in the morning,
I really do.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I might give me all the mushrooms, all my meds,
any uppers, plus coffee that makes it. Whoever wakes up
and says that coffee doesn't make them happy in the
morning or like tea, I'm like, you have to have something.
Fine if you're gonna be one of those health nuts.
It's like water with lemon. It makes me happy. That's fine.
(02:09):
I think I did that for a minute and then
I quit it. We're not This is not some boot
tis that's in Taiwan. You do want to live in Taiwan.
If you haven't watched The White Lotus, you have to.
Oh my god, pepper no makes me happy. Yeah see,
it's literally the best. Great Okay, So what what are
(02:30):
you liking right now?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Like? What?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Because it's not all just gonna be like we're mad, raging,
like we like life too. There's some good stuff around
and I'm wondering what you like right now or skip it?
We just can't we just skip it?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I mean, we can talk about that later.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, you want to talk about what you don't like?
Feah a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I feel I do. Got to talk about something that
really irritates me.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, because I mean this episode we're talking about female rage,
talking about rage, you're gonna tap into it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I cannot. I hate it. Oh god, I almost okay.
I hate it when someone in a group setting, you're
having a commersat, maybe it's an office meeting, maybe it's
a friend group, you know, maybe it's I don't know,
a book club or something, and you say something and
then someone else right after you literally says the same
(03:22):
thing but just uses different words.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Switches it just enough to make it as if they
didn't hear you, as if like exactly like exact and look,
it's probably what's coming out of my mouth as bullshit.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
But then like make up your own bullshit?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Why are they doubling down on the bullshit?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Why are you doubling down? And also like make up
your own bullshit?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
They're literally using your exact same idea and like moving
words around.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It's plagiarism in the moment and this.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Person, I guarantee it. This person does it. It's the
same person. Is it the same person?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Listen? We know are guilt, many are guilty of this,
But there was one perpetrator in my life that it
was real bad in a work setting. Oh, real bad.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well then you've got you know what I would do.
I start throwing out the worst ideas, fireable offenses, just
to see how they see it out.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well, pack it up, deal with that. I feel like
they could just go hard on the contrast, which is
still kind of using you.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Totally, meaning going in the opposition, run opposite direction to
make you looks to me, still get the last to
still get the last word.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And it's like, cool, I get it. You want FaceTime,
you're nervous, you want a promotion, whatever, Just all I'm
saying is come up with some other shit. Because it
was like it was relentless. It was like every single
time I would say something, I was like, oh, I know.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
She's going to say something after me, and just make
it this it's literally the same thing, and just move
it and just making if it was anyone today would say, hey,
what's going on over here? Like what's up with this chick?
What you said it first.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I think people are they're dealing with their own ship,
you know what I mean. A lot of times people
you think someone's mad at you, they're dealing with their
own ship. They're not even thinking about, you.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Know, the rest of the people in the meeting. I'd
be like, oh, that's just what Ebar just said.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I know, I know, but I think people were just
all in a constant state of panic. So to have
room to be thinking of other people, like bettering other
people's lives was not on the.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Table, but it should be.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
But it does it like makes you crazy, like a
you feel gas lit right, like totally wait, did I
not just say that?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Like you're like, oh my god, did I say that
in my head and then it not come out of
my mouth?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Like?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Am I did I take a pot? Gummy?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
They make you feel because that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
When it when I take edibles right, Like You're like,
the whole conversation is happening on the inside, but I
think it's happening on the outside. So I'm like number
one that too. It's like, as women, we already feel
like nobody listens to us, right, we always feel like.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
We we also feel like silenced in a way or
not heard in a way that I think other people are.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Right by other people. Do you mean men?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I mean men?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
But like I was, I was like, what do we
are you scared to say men?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
What do we men?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Okay? I got it out.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I got it out.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I got it out.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Okay, we we did it.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
We did it. We did I'm proud of you. Yeah. Yeah, No,
I think I think like as women, we you know,
we get talked over a lot. Yeah, and so so
that feels like a form of being talked over. We
feel silenced, and then I feel crazy. I'm like, oh
my god, did I not just say that? Did I
not just say that? Did I not just say that?
And then that's happening. So I just think that that's
(06:40):
a small, real life example that you can see how
female rage plays out.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I think there's a difference because me
and you can literally have a conversation where you're talking
and I'm saying somebody at the same time, except I'm
registering what you're saying. You'll hear what I'm saying, and
we'll always get back. Yeah, we'll be talking over each other,
but I'll be answering your question, you'll be answering mine
or moving on. I'm clocking it because we can multitask.
(07:08):
I feel like men can't.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I'm just gonna yell. And this coworker was not a man, yeah,
to see and what it made me feel like?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
She was a man right because it happened. I mean,
it happens with with men and women. So it's not
like we we hate men because we date them, but
it's like we're just trying to make in society. It's
sort of been that way for a.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
While, right, And I mean, well, yeah, that's like we're
gonna power. That's the power dynamic that has existed for
forever and continues to exist in different ways, right.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And so that's something we're going to talk about on
the on the old pod, the Rage Pod, which I mean,
if you didn't pick that up, look the title, but
the ages, Yeah for sure. And but I want to
talk about our cunt of the week. We're gonna get
into air.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
It stands for.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Before you all are like waiting for us to shit
all over women.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
We're not cut, we're not dands for courageous, unapologetic, notorious.
Ten women ten out of ten women can't wait you
you gotta stick around.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And also we're going to of course check in with
Freddy Wendy on our rage hotline.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Let's where we can go.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
We're gonna hear some great stories of rage. Help check
in with the Raid, our fellow ragers. And just so
you know, we want to hear from you. We want
you to call in. This is a safe space. You
can say anything and there will be no judgment.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
True, it's like we want to hear all of your
thoughts or even I've said this before, we could hear
your joy too, what you're happy about. I need to
hear lay it down, what you're mad about, and then
lay it down maybe what you're happy about, because we
want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, I'll steal your joy. That's something I don't I
think everyone should steal everyone else.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Absolutely piggyback on that. We will. We run that us
the ted pole, the tadpole, the flagpole, the flagpole, run
it up the tadpole, the tadpole, the tadpole.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Eric has a stand up set where she talks about
running it up the flagpole, where you talk about in
like the office, and I'm never I never am, And
so I was like, is it tadpole.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, you run it up, running up the tadpole, circle back,
taking it offline so I can make proper sis. We said,
we're pro meds on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Calls at two one three two nine three five nine
nine five, or you can email us at the rage
pot at gmail dot com. You'll hear more about that.
We'll we'll tap into that that old little rage pod later.
You'll hear some stuff. But we should talk about, Oh,
we got a guess, We've got.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
A great guest today. I'm so excited. That's like what
I should have said. But then that would have been
a lot about just we would have been previewing our
guests four times if I had said, that's what brings
me joy.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, it's too much. She doesn't need that. She's already
cool enough.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, she's also like like you're a little thirsty exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
It's like it's like when you walk into a room
and there's like a guy or girl and they're just
like overly attractive. You're like, I'm not going to give
them any attention because they already know how attractive they are,
you know, and you're just like ignore, ignore, don't make
eye contact.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
There's like a support group out there for super hot people,
totally neglect.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I feel neglected by people like me because I'm like, Nope,
not giving you, not even one little flutter of an eye.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
No, someone just goes out there and busts up their
face just because they can have a conversation in a
social setting. Okay, our guest today is so many things,
it's incredible. She's a psychotherapist, she's a speaker. She's an
author of the best selling book Women Are Angry, which
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won the Times Best Self Help Book of the Year.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
She's also a scholar, a podcast host of Women Are Mad,
and she's also a co founder of the social movement
Women Are Mad Wham.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I love all things Wham. By the way, the band
and this social movement, both of them are great. She's
a regular contributor to various international outlets on feminism and
global health, and in her practice she's helped so many patients,
so many women. We are talking to a powerhouse in
the world of navigating female rage. We get to chat
(11:30):
with the Jennifer Cocks. Let's go thank you so much
for being on the pod today. Jennifer your craft of language,
like I just kept writing down shit that you put
in there because.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Oh that is honestly, that makes me so happy. Tell me, though,
how was it to an American ear? Because I worried that,
you know, once it got four in America, I thought,
but there's so much in there that is so Brittish
like slangy.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Oh it was great. I just well, for so many reasons,
will you take me in?
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Like?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Can you can? Can we just move?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I'm setting off a whole shed.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Great for Americans, that's so kind of You're probably like,
it's really bad when the UK is also the place
of salvation, like places that haven't typically been, like you know,
on the extreme side of progression when they are I
mean literally, we left Britain for independence and now we're like,
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please take us back.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I want to ask you question, like what would your
top thing or maybe top three things that you would
tell a young girl to not only give her confidence
but also help her deal with possible unsuppressed anger or rage.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I'm sure we all remember when we were that small,
really feeling as if we had no choice other than
to be very well behaved, very polite, good kind, sweet,
and very caring. And I think this kind of caring
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thing really comes us unstuck as we get older, but
it begins here. And what I would say is you
don't have to care for people. That's not your job,
like numero uno, that's vital. I think another thing is
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shout be loud, like do show off, do make a scene,
do be the clown in the classroom, do it all great?
Speaker 5 (13:44):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
We were doing that. We do it every day even
though we were told not too.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, yeah, well good, and so thank god. You know,
some of us as adults are able to kind of
find that, but a lot of us aren't. And so
it's kind of carried through through all the way from then.
And I think what would I say as a third thing,
like don't don't please people, don't be out to make
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people like you, or because the thing is, if you
think about how we generally stay safe and how we
learned to stay safe, it's actually mostly by making sure
that people don't hate us, because if they hate us,
we're in danger. So you know, if we that's the
kind of learned habit of a lifetime, then that sort
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of you know, flows into people pleasing and falling and
all the rest of it where we think we've made
ourselves safer but it's a total kind of myth and
it's and it's not real. And I think if we
could learn at those earliest points that that isn't the
most direct or effective way of staying safe in a
room or you know, with a man, then I think
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we'd probably be kind of stronger in the end.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And the recognizing that avoiding people hating you is not
the goal, but knowing that, whether it's a young girl
or even an adult woman, that it is going to
feel uncomfortable for a while to experience that, like, oh,
(15:23):
I think this person may not like what I did
or what I said, or might even not like me.
But I'm living my true life. I'm getting out what
I need to. But that feels uncomfortable because we are
conditioned to not be hated, like you said, for that
safety and that survival, Like how do you how should
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women what tools can they use to work on that
part of it?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I mean that's so interesting, isn't it? Because the thing is,
you know, reality has it we are in danger, Like, yes,
we are, it's a fact. Yeah, So how do we
like navigate the the attempt to keep ourselves healthier by
(16:10):
not doing this indirect pleasing fawning, please don't hurt mething
and instead like put our energy into ways of making
ourselves better protected and stronger and really safer kind of
you know, irl, when what we know is that that
(16:30):
shit aggravates people, men especially and women. Let's not forget
all the internalized stuff. Yeah, but you know, it is
very difficult if you're advising other women, women, especially younger
women or girls. You know, if you're saying just be bulshy,
just be really kind of straight talking and tough and
(16:51):
say it. Yeah, do but also, oh my god, like
you could really kind of go people that way that
don't want to hear it. And then what I think
this is obviously where in the book I was really
keen to stress this is an issue not just for
women to sort out. Please, you know, for once, let's
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really bring in the men. Let's get them to help
us think about this, Like, how can we do this together?
Because they're not having such a great time either. They
might think they are, but look at the suicide rates
among men, you know, look at the ways in which
their health is compromised by repressed feelings, not anger, but
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many other feelings.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, yeah, they get to have that, they get plenty
of outlets for anger. They're allowed. They're allowed. Yeah, they
get a voucher when they're true. Yeah, when they're born.
You know, the baby girl is basically like as you
talk about, she's born, and she gets a laundry list
of all of the emotional burdens that she's gonna need
to carry, and men get a voucher to rage out
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all they want.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yeah, it's true. Yeah, in a kind of season ticket.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, a season ticket. They get season tickets front row.
They're actually in a box. They get their own box.
They get a press box. So speaking of you know,
we're talking about changing the relationship that we as women
have with rage, right, and how we view it and
then how we process it, and that can be I mean,
(18:29):
we're talking about you know, reconditioning is really hard because
just because you might recondition doesn't mean the world around
you will so. And then also obviously we know as
you get older, change gets harder. It's just it's a fact, right,
Like neurologically it gets harder for us to change the
patterns in our brain. Like physically it's harder for us,
(18:51):
doesn't mean it's impossible, because otherwise it's like, well, let's
just like party, right, Let's just throw one big, you know,
banger of a party and forget about it.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
But but but there are ways that you can do that.
So you know, what are some things like just some
tools And I know you talk about it in the book,
which is so odd, like some of the stuff of
like staying off social media until the afternoon, like really
allowing yourself to wake up in the morning and checking
in with your body and how you're feeling and why
(19:23):
you might be feeling that way. But I'm also thinking
about like, okay, so maybe you do that and like
for a month things are good, but then something sets
you back right and you regress. Like, what are some
some ways that we can think about making lasting change
and building armor for the ways that society is going
(19:43):
to challenge that.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah, I think a key thing I would say there
actually is that if we experience setbacks, you know, like
you're you're saying, which are natural and will happen whatever
our intent, we especially as women, I think, punish ourselves
(20:06):
for that having happened, don't we Yes, And it's you know,
we kind of find it really difficult to be compassionate
and to sort of forgive ourselves for slipping up, or
for making mistakes, or for kind of you know, coming
off our path a bit, if what we were trying
to do was for self development. But I think the
(20:29):
first thing I would say is we need to not
be hard on ourselves kind of ever, because in fact
we're saying to a patient today. As women, I think
we have to pretty much assume that the vast majority
(20:49):
of us. I wouldn't like know the sort of stats,
but I do. I am convinced that the vast majority
of us have been brought up and conditioned in this
way that means that we wouldn't dare be kind to ourselves.
You know. Essentially it's all about making sure everyone else
(21:11):
is fine, prioritizing them. And I think we can assume
that that's the case pretty much across the board for
like all females, maybe with the odd exception.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Oh, I think women are like constantly putting themselves in
their own jail all the time.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I mean, aren't they, which is probably why they don't
end up.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
In real jail, right, they do that all on there,
that's right. I've had enough jail time for my lifetime exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
And yet you know, we are so brutal, We're so
hard on ourselves, and I think we will slip up,
you know, of course, and we should because we shouldn't
even be going for perfect that's not healthy anyway. But
I think just gently kind of steering ourselves, like refusing
to feel bad about slipping in our you know, resolutions
(22:05):
that we've set for ourselves, refusing to feel bad about
it and deciding instead, Yeah, of course I'm not perfect.
I'm human, and look everything I've got on my plate.
Of course I'm gonna accidentally go on social media too
early and go down a rabbit hole every so often,
but that's okay. Tomorrow is a new day. I'll just
(22:27):
correct that and I'll start again. And I think just
that habit of ditching the habit of being so mean
to ourselves is already a massive change, you know. So yes,
there are these micro changes we can put into place,
but I think probably a larger one, and the most
important one anyway, is just like being nice to yourself,
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there is no danger of you ever turning into some
kind of selfish see you next Tuesday, because I just
don't feel like I ever really meant those women.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
My partner says that to me, He's like, I want
you to be more selfish. I want you to be
more selfish. I guarantee you, Like you're scared that you're
going to be to He's like, I will tell you
if if that has happened. He's like, I don't think
that will happen.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
He will never have to tell you that happened.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, it's so crazy and too I think, you know,
I think something that can work for a lot of
people is going back and like talking to your younger self.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Right, why is it like a real almost trend? Is it?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Is it attempt But it does make sense that it's
almost like it's a different person, and it's easier to
be kind to this young child who hasn't what is what?
How could this child possibly know? But that child is
still you. So I think like, if you can, if
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that's a way, right, if you can be kind to
the younger version of yourself and then just know that
that's still yourself.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Yes, it's still the same brain.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
They write letters on married at first sight, which I'm
totally into right now, but they make them write letters
to themselves a kid and you'll see, just like this
guy who did I mean, just the worst. And then
they're there, they get married right away and they try
to make it work and there will be some tumultuous
stuff going on and it's not really like linking. And
(24:26):
then they write the letters and they have to read
them aloud to each other about what they wrote to
their child, wow, to themselves as a kid, and their
relationship changes. Not for the long term, because of course
there's not a lot that they're totally set up and
great for success.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
It's not a recipe for success.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah, but it's it is funny that when they write
the letters that is shocking. But when they write the
letter that the that especially the women hearing from the men,
or the men he hearing from the women talking to
themselves as a child, that they change into that that softer,
more feminine side comes out, and that relationship has a
(25:11):
softer area, like a nicer place to land in the interim,
although it doesn't last very long.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Well, they need they need to do what she was
saying earlier, which is not beat.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Up exactly for don't feel guilty about it.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
For having a setback, and then maybe they would keep
thinking about that little child.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Right yeah, yeah, I mean, well and if you think
about it, it's having a relationship is work, isn't it?
Like holding onto that relationship is so much work. I
guess like there must be something about the sort of
investment you're prepare to put in if you have, maybe
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something about knowing the person for a certain length of time,
like perhaps something just wow, what.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
A novel idea not getting married after five minutes and
seventy cameras.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
On you at all times? What? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Speaking of deconditioning something that really resonated, you say guilt
is a form of inverted rage, that it's like a
way of cleaning up after oneself, and that this particularly
shows up with teen girls. And I mean we all
like as comedians, I mean we joke about guilt all
the time, right, Like I come from a line of
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Irish Catholic alcoholics, so guilt is just like another way
of saying I love right right, It's just I mean
that's like literally in our oxygen and our blood. Yeah,
So I guess what are some again, specifically, I would
love just to hear even more on that that concept,
because I do think you have to wrap your head
(26:52):
around it, you know, guilt as an inform an inverted
form of rage. Can you kind of like touch on
that a bit?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I think, Oh God, it's so gross, isn't it, Because
you know, it really is disgusting. I think how we
are imprisoned by the captors that are our families.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
We're all in stark Starckholm syndrome. If you have a family,
you have Stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Oh you do? Oh but you really do? You know?
And I'm thinking about this more and more actually just
kind of since writing the book. I think like certain
strands of it have sort of I don't know, like
extended themselves into my mind and a kind of self
a gross but like are really kind of taking up
(27:46):
space there now, and I'm thinking, yeah, what do I
do with these? Because these won't go away? The book
didn't kind of fully resolve these for me, certainly not
among them. And I think this idea of the problem
of family and as you say, guilt, especially as I
think one genius way that families have of absolutely controlling
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us and you know, keeping us in our.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Place, particularly women right.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Especially as women. I mean, like it's kind of incomparable
I would say, like you just boys, men, they will
never know. I don't think in general, in general, there's
probably some exceptions, but you know, to try and do
something that we know is outside of the wolves cheese.
(28:37):
I mean, there's nothing like it is there.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
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Speaker 2 (29:33):
All right, Yes, what time it is, Friendy Wendy. We
want to hear from our other ragers.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
All right, guys, We've got a couple emails and a
voice memo today. The first one is subject line, this
is not okay, Hey, Rage Pod what's happening in this
country is not just disappointing, it's dangerous. The rollback of
women's rights from abortion access to reproductive healthcare is deliberate
and terrifying. This is not about politics, this is about control.
(30:05):
I'm filled with a steady simmering rage and I'm done
pretending otherwise. Thank you for creating space where we don't
have to downplay our fury just to be taken seriously.
We shouldn't have to. From Carol and Denver.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Wow, thank you, Carol. We are not downplaying it. We
are uplaying it.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
We are up playing it. We are mad, Carol. We're
mad for us, for all of us.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
We're mad for women.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I agree with her Man's it is like a terrifying
thing what is happening, and the fact that it's it's
out of our control currently. I mean, we can help
the cause as best we can, but it's I just
feel bad for people who don't live in California, Like
(30:52):
I'm in a nice little bubble that my rights and
everything are in my body is protected because of the
state that I live in, and so that doesn't hit
me as close to home as it will be with
other people anywhere.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Else.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Oh yeah, I mean I have two toddler girls in
my house, and I have thought to myself, like, oh
what I like, I could never move to a red state.
I just couldn't I have girls?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Right right?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It is so sad what's happening. And I mean Friendy
Wendy was telling it. We were talking to her the
other day about like, even what state is it that
they are trying to remove the Indiana In Indiana, they're
trying to remove the word consent out of sexual education?
What funny when you say it all out?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Why? What is there? What is their argument? Why?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I don't know what there are? Do you know what
their argument is?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Nobody?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I think the argument is that they're like men are
sad because they can't take advantage of women as easily
without consequences.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
They want to take the word couldn't because that word out.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
It's the word consent that is causing harm across this guy. Wow,
it's not the men's sexually assaulting women, it's women understanding
the concept of consent. That's why I could do wrong
this country anyway.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That's weird that they would want to do that. All right,
You guys can anyways comment and tell us more jews
about it if you've got it.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
But Carol, I just want to say one was like,
we are with you. We feel the same way, yea.
And I think it's just more important than ever that
we really dig into our female solidarity and support one another.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
It's gonna be a bumpy ride, gonna be a bumping rude.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
All right, guys. Here is a voice memo from a listener.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
Hey Rage hotline. Harlan here from Provincetown, Massachusetts. What fuels
my rage is the news, cable news, in particular, this
crazy world that we live in. It is just getting
to be too much.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
That's why watch the news.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
We all know, well, you know, it's you know, it's
interesting about that, you know. Jennifer Cox talks about ways
that you can help deal process your age, and one
of the things that she says is that you should
stay off socials. She says, I like, she says socials
bingo until the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
That you should test that you should give you don't
get Yeah, give you give your mourning.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Right, yeah, give yourself a chance to check in with yourself,
you know, slowly like kind of slowly ease into the
day where you need to have you know your tools,
like where you need to arm yourself with defense against Yeah,
all the ship.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Right, like allow your serotonin dopamine to kind of hit
you have a be in a good place and by
the afternoon you probably be ready enough, yeah, to take
on all the crap that's coming at you.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Because it's it's it's triggering, it's and I mean, obviously
we're talking about social media, but social media is the
vehicle which where you're just getting an onslaught of information
around what's happening. It's just raining down rights being removed.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I know.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
And it's not even it's not even for me, uh
like the news part. It's also the reason I kind
of stay off of it is is comparison, which also
brings me despair. It compare and despair. She's did did
you make that up?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well, I'm going to say that did you read it?
I'm going to say that I take it because other
people have take my life.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Other people are taking her ideas claim it. That's called
a flip it and reverse it. I love it, Elliott, Yep,
flip it and reverse it. Okay, Yeah, I I feel that.
That's why I don't watch the news. And why also
I stay off socials. Maybe he's got to stay off
socials too, with my help.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I think taking taking breaks is really important, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Because then you can just focus on like the good,
like what you actually like, Like go get ice cream,
take a walk, freaking you can read, go throw axes.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
We've got one more.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
All right, let's go.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
I don't know whether to laugh, scream, or crawl into
a hole out of embarrassment, but probably all three. So
I get a missed call from a guy I went
on one date with about four years ago. It was
a fun night, flirty vibes, decent chemistry, good makeout sash,
but life happened and we never went out again. Shortly
after that, I got into a relationship that's now very
(35:25):
much over, and when I saw his name pop up
on my phone, I thought, huh, maybe he's circling back.
I called him back. I was open to it. I'd
even preapproved a potential second date in my mind. But nope.
Turns out he's not looking for love. He's looking for leads.
He just started selling insurance and was hoping i'd take
(35:45):
a meeting God so he could walk me through the
policies and maybe just maybe buy one. Excuse me, you
dug me out of your digital graveyard to make a
sales call. I don't know why it pissed me off
so much. Maybe because I felt foolish for thinking it
with something personal. Maybe because it reminded me how often
women are seen as networks to tap into, not people
(36:06):
to connect with. Either way, I felt slimy and weirdly humiliated.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Oh my god, he needs to be canceled anyway.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
That's my rage. Laugh, scream, or do both. Just don't
buy life insurance from your ex hingetack.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Okay, I got a policy for this guy. Fuck off exactly,
thank you.
Speaker 9 (36:24):
I cannot believe the audacity of someone. Dude, you went
on one freaking date with her, and you're like sitting
around thinking, huh oh, what it was he doing. He's
just surfing through his Oh god, I'm gonna be back
and fall in and thinker her into being on my
down line.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Oh my goodness, Like I would be so concerned for him,
that word is gonna get out on the street that
all these women who went on one date with him
are like, stay away from that guy. He tried to
sell me life insurance, which, by the way, if you're
this bad at reading the room.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yep, you think I want you to be in charge
of my life insurance.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Absolutely not. He's not gonna make one sale.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
No, he's not.
Speaker 9 (37:11):
What you're hitting up a woman you went on one
date with to make a sale for life and.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Which means which means you're just again if if that's
your target list, you're not You're not good at your job.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
No, bro, this is not your path. You need to
get out and run.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Also, like have have some like just take a beat
and think about how you knew this person when you
met them. What you don't know about this person because
you had one date right, one date? Absolutely absurd, Like
twenty thousand years ago. I can't, I literally last I
haven't checked in with this person. You know, she was
(37:51):
really cool, not like hey, let's go get coffee and
like see what she's up to. Let's just dive right
in with right sale, with a sale of life insurance,
of life insurance, like life insurance, you have to like
disclose some pretty personal details. Yes you do.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Like no, today I'm serving can't and I'm serving it
to him straight up on a silver platter.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
And we're not serving him cunt.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
No, we're not the week. We need to get to
that kind of the week. Just a reminder, it stands
for courageous, unapologetic, notorious ten of a woman.
Speaker 10 (38:43):
Okay, so we're here with the Rage Pod. We are
looking for a count of the week. We are here
out about in the world. Ride is upon us and
we are getting a cunt of the week combination from Sarah.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, that would be my mom. I here are you
all nominating for puns of the week? Font a lie,
I'll got out my fist over.
Speaker 10 (39:06):
There, allri gorgeous cheeks, I have to say, travel road.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
So if I had the count of a week alone
with my mom sounds crazy.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I knew that being out here and being able to
get three bucks to fit her all timer, she was
loved that.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
The first person that comes to my mind for like
very empowering woman would probably be my sister.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Honestly, she is.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
A brave revolutionary individual that is fighting against all kinds
of oppression. She's been an ally since she.
Speaker 10 (39:35):
Was I don't know, before I was born.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
She helps me.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Realizeable that I'm not visiitent sometimes, but I think that's
what I like about her.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
It's amazing she support she's so loving.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
She has always had my back.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
She's always been there, always been supportive.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
She's with the culture.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
She's always so confident and everything that she does.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
You know, she's an ally and we love that, Lady Mamololo.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I could not ask for a better sister. Twelve out
of ten right here, by the way, by what's going on.
There is a lot of kindness out in the world.
He's bringing it.
Speaker 10 (40:09):
We love that she's at She's pretty kind language.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Okay, well that kind of wraps up our episode. This
was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
If you all don't know, nobody knows where it came from.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Tara.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
No, she's Tara has two point five different accents. That
makes zero sense.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
She is from Vegas, and we do know where it
came from. You have never been the same since the
Mayor of East Town.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Literally, we finished watching Mayor of Eastown and within like
a week, all of a sudden, I just started here
No No, and I was like, oh my god, and
I thought like, oh, it's just in her head. It's
gonna go. No, it has stayed.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
It stayed. It's that or it's like Long from Long
Island Southern or Long Island. It's weird and we don't.
I lived with people from Jersey for like eight years
back when in my twenties, but I'm like, why does
it still stick around? And or I sound southern. I'm
not doing it on purpose, it just comes out, but
until when they bring it up. Then I'm very focused
(41:16):
on Like I could be like, well, if you enjoyed this,
hit subscribe, but I'm like, no, it's like if I
don't want to think about it, my that's how I
sound so like she has.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Like accent osmosis. I didn't.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
It's fricking weird.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Anyway, Well, we gotta we gotta move on.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Close this out. Speaking of liking and subscribing, if you
enjoyed this, please hit subscribe, share it with a friend,
get ready for more conversations on rage. And we just
want you to know you don't have to just calm down. No,
even though everyone's telling you to.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Right, We're hoping you feel a little more heard, a
little more validated with this old pod, a.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Little less isolated in your rage.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, not alone, You're not alone, and uh sot to
get to it. Let's have a friend of one you
take us out.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Let's do it all right, everybody, deep breath in one, two, three,
exhale rage, Scream into your pillow.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
A love it, love it.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Almost passed out.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
I might I might have vocal core nodules. But that's
all right.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
No, that's all right. We're going to sex surgery.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Bye byeye
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