Girls Just Wanna Have a Rage Release

We talk to founder of RAGEher, Krissie McMenamin, about her movement/embodiment experience (think a girls night out at the club but as a rage release therapy session). We unpack rageling names, hug doulas and the tempest tavern - signature elements of RAGEher. Also, Ebar and Tara get into some don'ts that might change the way you think about theme parks and threesomes. 

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We should talk about some don't.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I think we should all do like a quick don't.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
All right, you want to go first? What's what's yours?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'll go first.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
My don't is if you are talking to two people,
please give eye contact to both people. Yeah, it's a
conversation of three, it's not a conversation of two. And
somebody is bearing witness, you know what I mean? It
makes me, you know, it's like the biggest fear I
would have of being in a threesome. M oh right,

(00:32):
and someone you're left And honestly, do you know what
I think is worse. It would be worse than me
feeling left out, which would be bad. I think it
would be worse for somebody else feeling left out. And
I would be so aware of that that I would
feel super uncomfortable. I'm not thinking about sexy time with
you because I'm like, oh my god, what are you
going to do? Like do you feel like you should leave?

(00:53):
Like what? Like do you want? Do you not want
me to make a thing of it? Like, oh my god,
I'm so sorry that this person is an ass right,
and like do I call them out? But in this
case where it's either a conversation or we're in the
middle of having sex. This is gotten messy.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
No, yeah, you took a hard lift, but I like
it because, you know what, in a threesome, I always
thinking about that too. Never had one, but I'm thinking, God,
what if you were like left out and they just
they just kind of forgot about you, or like you
don't know how to integrate you exactly, which is exactly
what it feels like when you're in a group of
three and there's two people and you're standing here and.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'm like, this is the most fucking awkward, and.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
I find it within myself to go take a deep breath, smile,
make eye contact, and the second it gets thrown to you,
you're gonna look at both fucking people because I don't
know who the fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
This sociol No, you're gonna laser beam into the one
who's been unattended. Oh yeah, that's what you're gonna do. Yeah,
And like sometimes I feel like.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
Maybe that gives the previous laser beam, like she's gonna think, well, she's.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Oh, this is oh, this is what we do now Exactly,
we only talk to one per.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Or we got to teach them.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
We do. But man, it's like literally and it applies
to both a threesome and a conversation. You can get
to a point where like, Okay, I think I guess
I should just go right, like why am I here?

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Why am I here?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Like slowly back up and walk out the door backward.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's just weird that people don't think of that.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I am with you.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
One hundred percent, and normally when I'm in those conversations,
I go, I don't think I'm going to hang out
with these people, yeah, like or the one or the
one like if my friends are there, obviously they don't.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
They don't do that.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
I don't know any of my friends that do that
because they're not sociopath So you know, that's a plus
for me.

Speaker 6 (02:40):
But uh, and if any of our listeners out there
have been in a threesome and they do know how
to maneuver that, let us know.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, and it has someone been left has someone been
left out? And like have you seen that they've been
left out? And you've had to be like, Okay, we've
got to stop what you're doing right now, Yes, and
we need to do some docy dough you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Absolutely have to know.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Please leave us a comment or call us, because now
I'm just wild.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
We really want to know. We want to know how
it goes. And is there like a like is there
a run of show?

Speaker 6 (03:13):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Is there? Do you start with your like primary partner.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
And then you wheel in the third? And then how
much time are you allowed to give the third? Is
it not a lot because you have to give your
primary and then you just.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
You're only allowed to reach out in arm?

Speaker 2 (03:26):
And and is it like is there a tap out?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Like is it.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Tap out? Because I mean, what are we? What are
we doing?

Speaker 3 (03:34):
How are we?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Does anyone end up just with like a foot and
they don't know.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
What to do but they figure it out. Fitfow man,
you end it with a foot and a freeze? You
better you better fit foot?

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Just a foot? I don't know, You've got to do
something even entertaining.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Ffo, Okay, what's your don't okay?

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Don't ever just stop in the middle of a walkway.
Oh no, I know, especially if you're at a theme park,
but also if you're at the mall anywhere heavily traffic,
but especially a theme park since actually you got a stroller,
you got kids and now your phone's out and you're
you're you're there talking your husband and you're.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
In the middle of the walkway. Pull the fuck over.
I don't know who raised you. This is not the
way to do.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
It happens at airports too.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Absolutely don't do that. Pull the fuck over. Scoot over
by the freaking wall. I don't understand how people just
think they don't think about people around them and they
just stop and they're here.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
You know what it is. It's like you're not a car,
you don't have hazard lights. It's like you didn't just
stop and run out of fuel. You were literally just
blocking the walkway.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
And it's not my job to go around you.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
When you are in a public walkway where one area
is going this way and the other area is going
that way, no one's stopping unless you're to the side.
So if you do that, you better quit it because
if I find you, I just I got to know
if you talk.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
To does that and it's toddlers do that. Toddlers do that,
you know, because they haven't right. But that's what I'm saying,
that these are adults that you're talking about toddlers because
they haven't like grown all their fucking senses.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Frontal lobe isn't there.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Frontal lobe is like is like jello.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Absolutely, so they're stopping wherever they want. But these are adults,
so you know, stop doing that. If you do that,
just pull over anyway. Friend you Wendy, you gotta don't.

Speaker 6 (05:26):
Do not put the ice cube tray back when it's
empty without filling.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
It back up.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Oh who does that?

Speaker 6 (05:33):
Well, in a period of self reflection today that happened
to me and I was like, what the fuck? I
can't believe this thing is empty? And then I realized
I'm the only one that's been home for the last
two weeks.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Oh many, Friendy, Why she's the purp a the VIC.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
That's hurtful.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
She's the purp a the VIC.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, totally, Like that's so painful to hear that about.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
You, you know, honest, because you have to have what
a conversation with yourself.

Speaker 6 (05:59):
And just be get it together. You did this, You
did it, phe fit Poe and you know what else
I do? You know how I always say I hate
when someone sends an email and says, can we jump
on a call? I have done nothing this last week
but ask people to jump on calls. I hate myself
for it.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
I hate you too, honestly because really I'm just going,
don't you just call me?

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I get just like, just just do.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
It, meaning like just call. Don't ask me to jump
on a call. Just call. Like what's what's the thing
that you don't want hurt?

Speaker 4 (06:30):
I mean, if it's like, let's just if we can
get it done in an email, please just do that.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
But if here's a question takes five.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Minutes, you could have put it in an email. But
here's what to have this call.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
I hate when people ask me to get on a
call because I'm like, just put it in an email.
But for me, I need these people to get on
a call because I can't put it in an email
and I have to have a conversation.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
So but is it like why why do you have
to have a conversation? That's what I want to get
to the root of it. Also, I also want to
get to the root of like when is it a
text and when is it an email?

Speaker 6 (07:05):
Because we I have to talk to multiple people to
organize something.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
And you can't see them no, because it.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
Has to be a conversation of what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
But you can't that can't be a threat on email.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
No, okay, because the other people that you're speaking to
in this group, they all have an option of what
they're going to do for this.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
Thing, and that the creative input needs to be discussed.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
So it really needs to be like bounced around conversationally
that like just doesn't translate the same into an email exactly. Okay,
And you don't want to like literally go nuclear on
someone's inbox, because that's what it would be if it
was just like chiming.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
But I realize I'm guilty of hating it but then
asking people to do it.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
That, well, we can make this shoes of the Purp
and the VIC again, purp in the VIC. Here's the thing.
We could make this work. To you, Like, we can
make it work. So it's like a double standard that
like it's still as okay, like is it that you
feel like the calls that they're asking you to do
could be an email, but the calls that you're asking
them to do could not be an email exactly. I

(08:08):
don't know why I'm supporting this, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Why get into that.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I don't know why. I don't know why.

Speaker 6 (08:15):
Thank you for understanding me.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
I don't really, I'm just trying to see if we
blindly love her for whatever.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
And so we're just like, yeah, you're you're you're the
hop on a call gal, but like.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Hop on a call, but don't fucking ask me to hop.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
On the call.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Don't fucking go there with me.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
No, absolutely not. If I see the word call in
an email, I'm blocking you.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I'm not texting the rage spot anymore. I'm just constantly
gonna be like you, guys, don't hop on a call.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Oh my god, I will take thirty seconds please to
just describe a meme and hang the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
So since we're super rageful, let's let's drop.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
In, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Welcome to the Rage Pod.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
I'm with me Bar, I'm with the Tara Ericson, and
this is where we rage against the serene and all
the things in between. And we are of course joined
by the Friendy Wendy, who you will also be hearing
from hopefully a lot.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, hopefully she'll be chiming in.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
She'll be chiming in with rationality and fun things. Yeah,
we've got a great guest today.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
We do.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
We'll give a little a little teaser.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Of who she is.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, slight teas maybe maybe maybe a shoulder, shoulder, a.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Shoulder that we're talking to the founder of rage her.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
That's right. Well, yeah, right, she started it, Miss Chrissy,
she did it.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Her name's Chrissy.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
We'll be talking mcmanimon, McManamon, mcmanimon, Christy McManamon. Oh.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
When we were at a meeting, you guys are like,
looking at her last name, You're like, don't panicked.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
I was panicked. I flew a lot of consonants, a
lot of m's and c's and.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Ends, and then I flew out of the gate and
I was you nailed it.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
You nailed it, and that's.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
We don't I don't get that compliment from you guys
very often.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
So I felt really.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
That you nailed it.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
I mean it was unlike you guys were like standing ovation, Wow,
didn't didn't know she had it in her.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
It was like we were at Cannes and it was
an hour long ovation for a movie that was the
same length. We have a cunt of the Week coming up. Freendy, Wendy,
do you want to give us a little tease of
who it is?

Speaker 6 (10:35):
Our teas of the cunt of the Week this week
is someone who took the media by storm the past
couple of years defending her life. And let's just say
the person who was recently cast to play her in
an upcoming series could also be a future cunt of
the week.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I know it is.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I know, I got no idea.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
When she said defending her life, I was like wild inside.
I was like, God, did she have to murder someone?

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Like?

Speaker 4 (11:01):
And She's like in defense and I'm like, I can't wait,
I can't wait to hear I hope it is that.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
But we gotta, we gotta go to our Rage.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Hotline and if you haven't any messages, you can cause
it two on three two nine three five nine nine
five where you can email us at.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Rage at the ragepod dot com. Whoa we want to
hear from you. It can literally be any topic and
we will also shout out on our socials maybe some
upcoming topics. So take a look there where the Rage
Pod everywhere. Yeah are we are simple?

Speaker 4 (11:34):
And if you're not already subscribed on YouTube or Instagram,
I don't know what the You gotta fit fox that.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
Fi phoe.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Because you're faffoing right now.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, you were calling you out you are.

Speaker 6 (11:47):
You've reached the rage hotline. Please leave us a message.
Here's Penelope.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Hi.

Speaker 7 (11:55):
I'm calling about a very specific type of rage. Hello,
I'm gonna call it gen Z rage and take realize
that makes me sound like an older, toxic millennial, but
I guess that's what I am, because I got to
tell you I have friends that are gen Z. I
work with people that are gen Z and a lot

(12:16):
of them are great some of them. However, can we
talk about the entitlement? Can we talk about the need
for protecting their peace and boundaries and mental health days?
Why can't you do what we all did as millennials,
which is keep it inside, cry in the bathroom, and

(12:37):
go back to work.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Exact.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Really not these gen Z kids.

Speaker 7 (12:41):
They are very particular about their boundaries, and maybe I'm
just jealous that I am not as particular with my boundaries,
but it makes me enraged.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
So I thought i'd share that with you all and
see if you.

Speaker 7 (12:54):
Had any advice. Love the pod, Thank you for all
that you do.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Can't wait to reage out this week immediately out of
the gates, which obviously makes me think of as hopscotch kids.
We still want to use your song, boundaries, boundaries, We're
never gonna let it go. We're never gonna let it go.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
There, this will not end you. They they'll hear it.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
I can't I can't wait till we have like somebody
from Hopscotch Kids on and they're like.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
We just want you to shut the f up.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Here's the song, here's the song. You can use five
seconds of it?

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Great, great, better figure it out. We tried it, say
not even sing say like words.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Don't go.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
It was the helicopter was actually like on the couch,
like just trying to silence us totally.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I feel like actually the helicopter was up high.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Tilted, tilt, kids coming at us, coming up. There was
blades like at right right at us, right at our face.
It was it really, it really shook us into silence.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, well we got to talk to her. What was
her name again?

Speaker 6 (14:01):
That was Penelope?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Okay, Penelope. I love you.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Know.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
What I love about this call is like she was
being honest, but she was also being empathetic and aware
of how this could come across and that she's conflicted
right because she understands that, look, it's better for society
for us to stick up for ourselves and to be
honest about how we feel, because especially for women, past

(14:27):
generations have lived in the suppression and look what we
have MM people with addictions, cancer, all kinds of disease
because we just take it and we soldier on. Yeah,
you know. But then at the same time, she's like,
look sometimes I just I get it, but I just
need you to send that email.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
It's it's sort of like what I would say it,
you know, because she was like advice. It was like, well,
it maybe take the little the little bit of like
setting boundaries from them in whatever little ways you can.
But honestly, it's it's giving princess behavior, prince and princess
where it's like we guys said this maritory and I

(15:08):
don't want to do this and like absolutely cannot and
blah blah blah, and I'm like no, Like, if this
is your fucking job, you just you just do it
like you just it doesn't get there early and get
it done if you want to leave early. Like just
I don't. I don't know what boundaries they're setting. But
she's at work right and I'm like, I have my pitch.

(15:32):
I'm with her that it can be rageful.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I think because I've experienced this where I've been with
like gen Z culture in a work environment and I've
seen the like hyper sensitivity to you know, being very
vocal about what their needs are and again like the caller,
like I respect that, but when it becomes an obstruction

(15:56):
to everyone being able to do their job and get
their work done. But I think my pitch is this
feels like like gen Z is so aware of like
macro issues in a way that we weren't because there's
so much information with social media totally that they're so
aware of toxic corporate culture and what that can do
to people. I think in a way that people didn't

(16:18):
talk about before. And so maybe something in the micro
of like I like don't feel good, well, I deserve
to take a mental health day today, you know, like
they're immediately connecting it to the macro. I think in
maybe ways that like older generations weren't because it's not
constantly a ticker tape, literal ticker tape like on their

(16:39):
screen and then in their mind.

Speaker 6 (16:40):
I think everybody has this back in my day mentality
because I'm I'm a little older, I'm gen X. That's okay, No,
I remember We're okay with that. No, But I remember,
you know, coming up, you know, in the in corporate culture,
late nineties, early two thousands, whatever, and I remember the
about the millennial everybody was.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Complaining about it's so true, it's so true, And so.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
Now all the millennials are complaining about gen Z, and
I feel like nobody complained about Gen X because nobody
even knew we existed. But I always do think in
terms of like you can never you would never have
made it in the nineties.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Right, yeah, right, right, right, But like don't you think
that there is a difference between just standard like cyclical
patterns and being in this age of like constant information
thrown at you.

Speaker 6 (17:32):
Absolutely and the fact that you know, this generation is
the generation of kids who grew up with shooter drills
in high school and whatever kind of trauma that would
imprint upon you. And sometimes I all, I actually am
sometimes rooting for them because I'm like, yeah, fucking take
that mental.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Health, I know, And that's I feel like the caller
was in that place where she's like, I'm both like
really annoyed for like how this affects me personally, but
like when I step back, I can kind of respect that,
and I wish we had more of that.

Speaker 6 (18:01):
Absolutely wish it could have been like that in our day.
It wasn't.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, but now like get at it, Penelope, like set
your boundaries taken mental health day. The thing is is
like it's good if you're if you're approaching burnout, but
not doing the princess thing where it's like, I don't know, I.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Just woke up, it's something a sniffle.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
It's Tuesday, so we don't I don't do well on
tuesdays exactly.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
It feels like a Monday, So I'm gonna call off.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Yeah, I'm gonna yeah, Yeah, let's not let's not do that.
But I would yeah, set those boundaries.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yea and rock and roll.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
And then I think also people are very scared of
getting fired, and so like on her end, she's probably
trying to approach how to handle this without like doing
something that could get her into HR. Sofintely want to.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
I'm with her.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
We're with you, Penelope. Thank you for raging out with us.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, thank you, Penelope. Can we call you, Penny?

Speaker 6 (18:53):
Are you pissed off? Do you have something you want
to rage about? Call us on the hotline and tell
us all about it at two one three two nine
three five. You can leave us a voicemail, send us
a text, or shoot us an email at the Rage
Pod at gmail dot com.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Today we have a very special guest. We are here
with the Rage Queen. We're calling you the rage Yeah,
you didn't ask for it. We're just we're just doing it.
We're just endowing you with that. Chrisy Menimon may Menima.
You say it, I feel like Medimon Chrissy the founder
of rage Her. And that's a nice play on rager.

(19:35):
And we can't wait to talk to you about all
that you do with women, you know, really releasing their
their rage, their feminine rage. And you call yourself right
a rage la. I don't want to say you call
yourself you are a rage doula.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, I'm a raged I'm gonna own it.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Can you can you like walk us through a session?

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Yeah, general, because like you know, people are probably thinking,
like why rage her, and they might want to know,
like is it a soul cycle for like feminine fury?

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Like what is it? So we have stages of the
experience and so you come in and you enter into
the tempest tavern and yes.

Speaker 8 (20:20):
I love an I love it Irish, no alcoholic beverages
all na. We can work on that be with our
feelings in the full expression of them. But there's a
series of activities that you do on the way in
kind of like you would at a club. You know,
your ideas checked, maybe you coat, you check your coat.
So there's sort of like similar activities that you go through.
You put on a ragelingk name tag, you identify kind

(20:43):
of where you're at for the evening, put some stickers
on your body. You then go and you get some
questions and the idea is to co create the space
with the other women around you, similar to like if
you're in a club you don't know a lot of people.
It's kind of that awkward like do I go talk
to someone?

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Do I stick with my girl friend who I'm here with?
Like what do I do? Yeah, there's a little bit
of that, right. You can also in that moment go
in journal if you'd like. But there's a series of
questions about twenty of them that are all related to
anger and to getting into that space of like we're
here to talk about anger.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Now you said you can go journal, like do you
provide journals when they walk in or like do you
ahead of time?

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Do you have some for Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Little they're very oh my god.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
And so everybody gets when they come and they get
a little journal with this is your permission slipt to rage. Well,
not everybody wants to socialize. Yeah, Like there's just I'm
like the biggest extrovert in the world, so I'm like
give it to me, Like, let's get into a room
and talk to people, and other people are like, hell
to the f No, I don't want that. Yeah, And
so just giving options always, I think a lot of
what we do is give people options of how to

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be in the space, how to express in the space.
And the idea is like you're whole and complete, you're here,
do what you need to do. And that's been through
like a lot of learning and iteration and feedback. Honestly
of when we didn't do that, people had reactions to it.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, interesting, that's cool because your background is in like
psychology and stuff, so you weren't really like brought to this,
like you weren't raised with this idea. It came to
you with these women and you got feedback and they
were like, I think this is where it.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Should hit sort of we a friend of mine, we
both did a master's in transformational leadership and coaching, and
then in that program we like turned ourselves inside out.
We both were sort of told by the professors and
things like, well, you have a lot of anger that
you haven't really connected to. Yeah, and I'm like, you
haven't harnessed it, okay, okay, And so we kind of

(22:40):
went I went on my own journey and that she
went on her own journey, and then we kind of
came together and were like I'd done a lot of
one on one coaching with a somatic coach, and I
was like, how can we make this more accessible to
more people? Like this is insane? Like I didn't really
feel my entire body as connected until I was like
thirty six years old, Like what you know, Like the
feedback that I got from my coach is like you're

(23:00):
basically a walking head, like completely disconnected. And in fact,
like in one of our first sessions, she had me
connect my entire body and I like could not connect
my calves to my feet. It was like there was
like space, like it couldn't make the connection because I
was so ungrounded.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah. Wow, And so that was.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Kind of a spark for all of this.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I have a hug Duela at home. It's my cat.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, me too. It's like it's I love that.
I just really it's like so comforting to have that.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Well, as the idea is like there are also rage dulas,
but this is a particular person. At any point during
the night, if you feel like you need to just.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Be held or hug, you go, you go, like it
literally makes you want to cry.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, And that came from a participant, like she suggested it.
We were like, hell yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Because she was looking for that when she was there,
or like what was what do you think? How did
she come up with that suggestion?

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Actually, it kind of came from she wanted to get
more involved, but she doesn't necessarily have a lot of
the training, okay, and she was like, how do I
get more involved without the training? She came up with
the idea, and then we actually decided like some of
the hug dealers do need some training because there's a
there's an art to actually like holding someone where.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
You're holding training, Like is there some people better as huggers?

Speaker 3 (24:18):
I mean a bad hug right elbow.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Their head is like somehow. Yeah, and you're right way Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
And I think it's also about like are you going
into it wanting something for yourself or are you there
to really take space with someone for somebody else just
sort of being aware of those dynamics. Not iverybody has
that level of awareness yet. Yeah, and so there is
a little bit of training that goes into it.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
We were just talking about people that have zero of
that earlier and when you are here, so so like
probably yeah, probably the person that is working with you
that has like less of it still has like eon
more of it than so many people.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Yes, yeah, and most of the women who come to
RAGER have done a lot of work on themselves.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
You mean the people that attend or that are working there.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, well both, But even the people who attend, they're
very much like I've done all the therapy I've gone to,
like done somatic practices, I've gone to h craneo sake
role and like they're really invested or we also get
a lot of mental health professionals Wow, yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Interesting like for themselves primarily or also is like kind
of like evolving for their.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
They got to let all that client bullshit that'saw on
them out.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Right and actually they're not really trained how to do.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
They're not I know they're not, and they often don't.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Write and they're exhausted. We're kind of trying to lean
into this with some of the upcoming events to actually
do one specifically for mental health professionals.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
So smart, Yeah, to kind of see especially because if
they we have had some refer clients in and so
then they don't necessarily just in case they don't want
to be in this space.

Speaker 9 (26:02):
Yeah, so you know, we're I wonder if that feels
like also safer to them in a way, or it
feels like I'm sure that a lot of mental health
professionals weirdly feel stigmatized by the idea of needing to
seek mental health for themselves, even though it's a.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Hundred percent needed. But I wonder if it, like, you know,
not just being the one to one like oh, I'm
going to therapy and I'm a therapist, like you know,
attracts them to it. I'm so curious about that.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Some of what we've heard too is like people have
been therapists for ten years, but they don't actually get
trained really in anger a lot and so like I
remember one therapist came in and she was just like
at the end of the event, she was like, it
was like fifteen things had clicked in her brain and
she was like, I, I mean, I know about the
feeling anger, but I think I just integrated the anger,

(26:55):
like I actually understood this concept of anger as an intention,
an action, and boundary and how to use it to
go towards what you want, how to feel it rushing
through your body and then do something with it versus
you know what a lot of people think of as anger,
which is just like exploding and raise all of those

(27:17):
things totally.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Well, I want to ask you, like, what does a
hard day at your job look like?

Speaker 9 (27:22):
Like?

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Have you ever been in a position where you're like, shit,
what the fuck am I going to do? It's spiraling
over here? Or is that? Is that like not really
what happens, because I think you probably have it covered.
But has that ever been Has there ever been an
instance of that?

Speaker 1 (27:36):
I Mean?

Speaker 3 (27:36):
The beautiful thing is is like all of our events
really have several dulas there, and we all have different
kinds of training. So there was one event where the
facilitator of that particular one had led off with some
pretty vulnerable things about childhood sexual abuse. And I think
because she had opened it in that way, there was

(27:59):
a lot of people who shared some pretty deep stuff.
And you know, my background isn't coaching and like taking
people who are you know, in pretty good like mental
shape and like leading them forward, although most of my
a lot of my training was in sort of emotions
and emotional intelligence and somatics and things. Yeah, I felt
so grateful that we had two people there who were

(28:21):
super trauma informed, had an incredible background in working with
survivors of sexual assault and domestic violence, who were able
to kind of come in and hold that space for people.
I did have one one event where a woman really
there was a lot of there was a lot of

(28:43):
banging of bolsters and the loud sounds were very loud,
and she went into kind of like a fear respect
I have a pretty big fear.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Response from the sound, yeah, but she was doing it,
but then.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
No from other people doing people. Yeah, And so that
was I remember feeling the fear myself of like okay,
how do I like And I just kind of took her.
We always have like a like a space to that's
a little bit away. I mean you're still kind of
in it, and we just kind of coregulated, and I
was like, would you like a pillow to hug? You? Know?

(29:15):
What do you need right now? Would you like me
to hug you? Like really? And she couldn't necessarily articulate
the needs, but I think just sort of having that coregulation,
and then I mean she was back out there like
eight minutes later. Wow, So I think and she realized
like how how big of a deal it was for
her to express anger and how much fear there was

(29:36):
associated with it, and that in and of itself is
like a win, you know, but when you have that
level of insight after an event.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
So I think you guys having that and having like
a hug doula, Because anytime I would have to get angry,
let's say, if it's on set or just angry in general,
I end up crying, Yes, if I get really angry.
And so my assumption if I went there and really
let it out, because it's not mainly how I let
it out, like singing in my car, which is not
like yeah, and getting there, and then I would end

(30:03):
up probably bawling my eyes out. Yeah, A lot that
happens with a lot of okay, So that's normal, very normal, okay.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
And again, like there's like two parts of two things
that we always try to hold at the same time
at the events is like everything that you're doing is okay, right,
and just maybe what you need to do, and that
we're always inviting people in to maybe something a little deeper.
So for example, if someone is really in their tears,

(30:31):
we may come over and say, hey, as you're crying,
see if you can actually access the tears from like
a lower pace in your body so you're sobbing yeah,
versus like the up here crying yeah. And then it's
like an invitation and to can you try to actually
beat something, like just get some of your body into
it and just inch towards the anger because oftentimes tears

(30:54):
for women are the safer, but yeah, we call them legged.
It's like the fire extinguisher.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
It is funny how rage can it can do both things,
like either rage is a mask for sadness or sadness
can actually also be a mask for rage.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
It's weird how it like can one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, she's interesting.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
You think it would only be unidirectional.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
In the training that I've done, I would probably say
that hurt is underline most a lot of anger and
then unexpressed anger often turns into sadness, especially for women.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yes, that's a really great way of like.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
And mostly just because like definitions of hurt, I mean,
they're so closely related. But at least again in my training,
it was like, sadness is like the loss of a
pleasure and hurt is that like acute feeling of something that's.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yes, yeah yeah, so yeah, like that's a really good
way to put it.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
What about on the flip side, women that come in
and are very like vociferously angry, like very like cough
with it and like explosive, Like how how do you
all approach that and while maintaining them being in a
safe space?

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah? We, I mean we, I don't know that we've
really experienced that, like someone who just comes in and
is like right off the I mean I did. I
did have one woman once come over to me. It
was like three minutes into the musical arc, which is
forty five minutes and increases in intensity, and she was like,
when can I yell? Can I start yelling? And I
was like, you may. And the thing is is when
she started going for it everybody else. Yeah, and that's

(32:32):
what you see is like the waves.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
So someone starts to yell and then people join in,
someone starts to go no, yeah, people start chiming, and
someone goes like fuck you yeah, start chining in.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
So it's like it's really neat to see the way
and every girl it really is you. Yeah, it And
every single event has like a different vibe than energy.
Like some are so filled with grief and some are
like fuck the patriarchy, yeah, fuck colonialism, Like we're bringing
it down and that's the vibe. And then some are
like really kind of in like deep trauma release. Yeah.

(33:08):
So it's everyone is really different. That's awesome. Cool.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
One thing that we found when we went to a
rage room, I just listened to so one. I think
like the you know, the headline for us is what
do you do if like there's like a distance and
time and space from something that made you like really
angry and like have an outburst and then you're like, oh, well,
I'm not scheduled for you know, a rager for a

(33:33):
few weeks.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Anger lives in the body, right, I think, I mean
I listened to your episodes. I think that's something that
we've that you all have talked about multiple different times,
is like it lives in the body, It is there,
it is actually can we just train ourselves to access
it when we are able to write? And then there's
the the other piece of rage here, which is sort
of like what happens after the event? What's what are

(33:56):
the next steps for women? Which is how do we
actually get connected to our anger more and more in
the moment so that we can feel it in our bodies,
notice it coming through, and then actually do what we
need to do to get satisfied in that moment, go
towards what we want. That is like a multi step

(34:17):
process that like I'm working on, Like we're all still
working on right, Like nobody's got this all figured out,
But when I have done it, or when I've seen
other women do it, it is so powerful, Yeah, because
you're actually building the muscle of self validation in the
moment of like I'm gonna be okay no matter what
comes out. You're building trust of like I trust myself
because I've done all this work on like knowing when

(34:38):
I'm angry, knowing that there's a boundary being crossed, knowing
what to say when that boundary is being crossed, so
then it's like I trust that it's gonna be okay. Okay, Yeah,
and then self compassion, which I think you'all talk about
a lot too, like afterwards when we've done the thing,
which can feel very confronting to our systems of like
we've done something different right now, and like, shit, I

(35:01):
just said a boundary. I just said something I haven't
said before that feels really scary. Oh god, was it
okay to be? Like it's okay? Like my relationships are
not fragile, like there's always repair.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, it's frozen too.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Okay. That was the other thing y'all talk about, like
Pixar and Disney movies a lot of holy on board.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
I have twins that are almost three, so it's like
my although I don't have that excuse not Well, it's
Pixar's great story, So like, what are you gonna do?
So what's like one of the craziest like surprises that
you've had from some of yourself? I know you said
that one surprise is like the pattern of mental health professionals,
But are there any like moments that stick out there

(35:46):
like we you know, we prepare for a lot of things,
and we hadn't prepared for that.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
There was one rage here where there was a black
woman who came in and I had gone up to
her at one point, as I do to most people
who come in, and it was like, hey, like if
you want to connect with other people in the space,
and she was kind of away and I was like,
or if you're happy to journal, you know whatever, and

(36:15):
she was quite stand offish and so part of like
as the host, I know, I was like wanting everybody
to feel kind of like good and like whatever taken
care of. I tried to check in with her a
few different times. Yeah, afterwards, we had one of our

(36:35):
rage deals. I believe she was a hugdller that night.
She's also a black woman. She went up to this
woman to be like, hey, how was your experience, because
I think she was in the group with her and
she had shared some like things that were not resonating
about the event and like she didn't feel safe, and
essentially what she shared was that she felt she was
being surveilled, which like, wow, my own shame, like my

(37:01):
own oh my god, I created that. The all of
like racial stuff came up, and then of course, like
my immediate response was like I wanted to defend myself,
and it was the whole process of that. After the evening,
I was just so grateful for like having the team
that I did that night, which was like a very

(37:21):
diverse team of a bunch of different women, and we
just had like a really of the Rage Duela specifically,
and we just had like a very open, honest conversation
about it. This one of the rachel has sent me
like a few videos that she had, like had about
this particular topic specifically white women and surveillance and how

(37:43):
white women like we like to have like control and
sort of like if people are doing something outside of
what we feel, you know, things need to be, then
that's a problem. And I mean it just like turned
me up inside and out of me particularly but also

(38:04):
some of the other white Rage Dolas as well, and
so it was just like a huge learning It was
like we kind of reconfigured a lot of the ways
in which we approach people. During the event. We really
got some more conversation with the ragelas of like what
do we do in different scenarios, So I mean it
opened up conversation, but like, yeah, it was just it was,

(38:26):
it was, it was, it was hard to be in
all of that.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Thank you so much for sharing that. Yeah, I think
that is such an important conversation. Yeah, because I'm sure
there's part of you, you know, like you said, there
was an immediate self shame that you connected with it.
I'm sure there's part of these like I don't know
if I want to expose this again or reveal this again,
But how do we learn? How do we get better?

(38:50):
How do we become more aware of lived experiences that
aren't ours if we don't do this right? So, thank
you so much for talking about that.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Well feel scary. I mean I know that I've really
shared that in like a public forum. I mean, and yeah,
there's like a fear and kind of like a oh
that like I did something wrong, which is a lot
of my own patterning. I'm in like a constant and
like I'm doing something.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Wrong always wist. Yeah, exactly, And it's like a real thing.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
You got to actually stop that, And that's like part
of our anger is stopping that. I mean, like no, no, no,
Messiness is fucking good, yes.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
And it has consequences for yourself but also for the
people around you. Yeah, So that makes total sense.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, but so great, Like you said that, you have
this killer team of people that are bringing different perspectives,
bringing different lived experiences, so that conversation isn't just sort
of unilateral or isn't homogenized.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Yeah, So and you learn from it, which is great,
and then you're like, cool, I'm going to deal with
this differently in the future, even though the way that
I see you dealing with it was not bad.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
You just care, right, I do care. I care so
much that it is I just.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Care, and you were trying. I would probably do the
same thing.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
When someone's off at their on their own, I don't
like to see that, so like I would like to
go over there and talk to them and like try
to bring them in because I feel bad because I've
been in that scenario and I felt so safe, like
when someone came up to me and was like, hey,
how are you do you want to like come over
here and join our friends or the group or talk

(40:25):
to us, and I was like.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
That's so nice.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
But then but then for somebody else, they don't want that.
I don't want it, but right coming at it from
what and.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
That was exactly how that's like exactly my thinking, and
I got like reflected back a bunch of different times.
I was like, yeah, but that's your ship.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah, totally, yeah, totally.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
I was like so uncomfortable to hear it, but I'm
glad you shared that.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
It's good to be vulnerable about it.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Okay, so we know that Rachel not for men, but
have you ever had men that come in that are
like they wanted.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
To do it?

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Or you like you're like shockingly, yeah, okay. The only
thing we had was one time we must have forgotten
to lock the door in this one event, and at
one point one of the Ragels looks at me. She's like,
there's a there's a man down like a little bit
further away, like down the hallway.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
And I was like, there's a man at an event
like this is the equivalent of the kitchens on fire, exactly.
If you can pull the alarm, we need to get.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Out of the Thankfully, like I rushed right over there.
He was definitely this is not funny, but he was
like slightly intoxicated. And the building that we do some
of the events and in Chicago has both apartments as well
as this like space, and so he had like seen
signs downstairs and been like, oh, this is supposed to
be a public event. But the slight intoxication that scared

(41:50):
me in that moment, I was like, oh god. It
was like, sir, I'm gonna need to ask you to leave.
This is a private event.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Like and he was not getting the double on top
and rage her.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
No, no, he did. He did leave pretty quickly and
again learnings like it was like, all right, that's part
of our checklist is like every door needs to be checked.
We actually put a sign outside of our doors now
of like this is a private event, you cannot enter.
Love that, like all of these things. It's like we
want everything to go perfect every time always like that
doesn't happen, Like he just doesn't.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
So like you said, messiness is just basic part part
of the process.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
As lovely John Cox always says, right like.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Love you know' a mad of us.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
I did want Freendy. Wendy told me that, which is
like what a great intersection of amazing minds.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
She actually was a rage dola in London.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
We did a rage I can totally see. But yeah,
like she just like has these like throwaway and her
lovely British accent, like just mind blowing little quips of
like yeah, and she was on our podcast and she
just was like, oh and like striving for perfect which
we should never be doing, and it's yeah, I know,
but it's like hard to break out, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(43:01):
I'm like, okay, let's just put that to do list down.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
But I think it's like it's it's the muscle, Like
all of this is a muscle, right, It's like the
muscle of being messy. Yeah, Like I am gonna practice
making messes, yeah, which feels really weird. But it's almost
like if we just try to avoid not being perfect,
it actually we have to seek out the imperfection. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
And also too, I think it helps in like, like
I know this happened recently where someone just set like
on a text and it was like a group text,
and it felt it was it was pretty unjustified, like
just came out with like a criticism, but it was
so injurious, you know, like I felt so injured by it.
But I feel like, also that is a symptom of

(43:47):
my own perfectionism that like if maybe if I like
work through that more, I won't be so injured by
someone else saying something like that. Right, that makes sense? Yeah,
like yes, so it's not as Yeah, it's taking so personally. Yeah, right,
what's a group you know we talked about you know,
you mentioned some people that you that you noticed to

(44:09):
come in, But what's an unexpected group that you'd love
to work with? Like I don't know, like meter maids
or best food.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
I mean, I don't even know anything.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
So this is actually a great, such a fun question
because we've been thinking a lot about groups and like
divorced women or women going through divorce. I've actually had
a few women, one woman with cancer reach out to
me recently being like I need like we I need
this breast cancer or young woman. It was like we
need this. So there's some of that stuff is percolating

(44:43):
where we're actually she connected me to some cancer survivor
support groups and things to actually bring this in, which
I'm excited because there's this like I think that there's
more research that needs to be done with emotional expression
and women and how that affects like autoimmunity, Yeah, like
autoimmune disease, all of those things, Like can this actually
like help women in a bigger way? And we don't.

(45:05):
I don't like the event right now doesn't have any
like before and after metrics, right right, but like could
it have some before and after metrics? Could it have?
I mean, there's data that shows that women who have
access to their anger are two times less likely to
have cancer breast cancer recurrence two times And that sounds
like it's both from the perspective of like inflammation stress

(45:28):
in the body, but also because angrier women who have
more connection to their anger are more likely to advocate
for themselves.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Interesting, right, So.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
It's like it's like, can we actually like create some
of that in these spaces? So I would like I
just am excited to start working with a bunch of
different groups. I think perimenopausal women and menopausal women. I'm
not I'm like like right like right below that, but
like close, you know. And it's like, I mean, the
people I follow, we are like the strange that comes
like on, you know, over the course of a day.

(45:58):
It's like, we love to kind.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Of anything that you find out will probably be more
than what traditional medicine has done in.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
The area women's health.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
So we need it, we do.

Speaker 6 (46:06):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
I feel like it would be great if if we
got a doctor on board to like take blood tests
before and then after like five sessions to see if
there's a difference in I know that your blood can
change you out the day. Maybe it would have to
be hormonal like saliva test where you do it like
every hour, but you never know.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
It could be that their cholesterol is lower and their
vitamin D is higher because there's joy there.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Yeah, And I think because we are not conditioned to
speak out and use our rage in the moment, women
tend to build like a seething resentment and what does
that do in the body, and so so again for me,
it's like, okay, the purpose of rager is for women
to start getting actually connected to this feeling of anger

(46:51):
in the body, which a lot of women are like,
I've literally I just have blocked it out so much.
I don't even know what it feels like. And then
it's like, how do we actually notice when it's happening
and then start to learn to use it so that
we can get satisfied in the moment. So when someone
doesn't do the dishes, you're not just like I'll do
the dishes, fuck it, and like all internalized. It's like no, actually,

(47:14):
right now, I'm gonna say, hey, I'm really upset that
you didn't do the dishes. It makes me feel like
you don't see here and understand me, and like I
would really actually love if you did them right now.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Here's a mug, right, it's dirty. You can add it
to the group that you're going to clean right now. Right,
Thank you so much?

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yes, right, And and I mean the number of I
have a I remember this moment where it was in
a group of people on zoom. A man was going,
you know, the man's plaining and it was going and
I was not. I was like, yes, you know that
feeling it's like connected, and I was feeling that in

(47:48):
my body. Historically I would have just pushed it about.
See it's been like I should have said this, should
have done this, because I would like working this muscle.
I was like, I interrupted, interrupted, and and I actually said,
I noticed that I am feeling really uncomfortable in my
body and really angry right now because you've spoken now
for many minutes. There's six of us in the space,

(48:11):
and I came here because I want to connect with
everybody in this space.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah man, oh good.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
And it was so wild because there was actually four women,
two men. Another man was like, well, you know, you
could have raised your hand. I was like, respectfully, I
understand that point, and he did not offer any opportunity
for me to like raise my to get in there.
And we're six people. Do I really need to raise
my hand with such people?

Speaker 1 (48:35):
We're not in fucking like elementary exactly.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
By the end of that session, that man who like
kind of defended the other man, he was because I
was like, I want to connect with you all because
oftentimes women go many people, not just women, but often women.
It's like they go for that this is not this
is what I don't want, but then they never actually
go for what they do want, and that's like this
this like we don't We are so conditioned to want
for everybody else and not ourselves. So part of this

(49:00):
anger piece is actually getting to know what we want
in the moment, yeah, to then be like my vision
here for this group is like I want connection with
all of us. I want to get to know you
guys on a deeper level, not like this like AI
talk that you've been talking about, like deeper. At the
end of that conversation, the other man was in tears
because he had just shared something like super vulnerable. All
of the women were connecting, and afterwards, every single one

(49:22):
of those women reached out to me and was like,
I was feeling what you were feeling.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Oh, say, but it's.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Like we don't know how to do I didn't know
how to do that three years ago.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
And then the next step, right, is then when you
do communicate what you're feeling, is not feeling guilty about.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
It, right, and to actually find pleasure in the anger, yes, yeah,
and then the like I stood up for something, I said,
the thing that I was scared to say, there's that's
the self validation. Yeah, it's not actually how the person responds,
it's in that simply by me doing this thing and
standing for what I want and believe in and like
for what I'm going for, that is the validation totally.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
You were going to point out and get to it.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah. A lot of people don't think about it that way.
They're like, well I need to get the thing from
that person.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
We're results orient yes, right, and especially in this country
as opposed to like, oh, that was a huge bit
of progress for me that I did. Like, that's the thing,
that's the win, that's.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
The win, and They're like, let's build on those wins
and then be able to actually shift how we're going
about it, because if it didn't work out the first time,
well let's change something and see if the next time
I can access a different part of myself where I
do get what I want.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
I love that you love you learn man.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Yeah, we need to wrap this up. We need to
give us.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Your socials, give the give the audience.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
How you're really uh rage her dot com Uh instagram
is at rage dot her. Uh come play with us?

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Well, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Can I say one more thing?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Okay, the patriarchy loves sad women.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
So true.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Okay, can we just like we got to start using
the anger because the patriarchy doesn't like angry women and
the whole system is sort of like banking on us
staying sad. It's so true, and I just want to
name that because let's got to get.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
I want to save the sad woman. Yeah, save the
sad woman.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
We don't fucking need to be saved. You need to
be saved, that cat all.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
We can be sad and we can be angry.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, we do, socketball savage. I love it. I love
that you came here today and you were so open.

Speaker 6 (51:30):
Christ Hey ragers, we're not done yet. Stay tuned to
find out who our cunt of the week is after
this commercial break.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
All right, I think it's time for cunt of the week.
And as a refresher, cunt of the week stands for couragiouslogetic.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Woman, sit animal.

Speaker 6 (52:00):
All right, So this week I have got our count
of the week.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
And look at her girl, Look how excited she is.
She's so excited she's been sitting on this one.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
It's someone who turned a quiet suburban tragedy into a
national obsession and managed to piss off an entire police department.
She's been painted as everything from a cold blooded killer
to a scapegoat, and depending on who you ask, she's
either guilty of sin or guilty of nothing but bad
luck and maybe some shady cops allegedly. And anyone who

(52:32):
knows me and knows how I spent some of my
time over the la past two summers knows exactly who
I'm talking about. Our hunt of the week is none
other than the infamous and the innocent Karen Reid.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yes, can I just say really quick before you go
into how awesome she is? This is why we literally
lost Wendy for like months at a time. Karen Reid
is why she was absent, just gone gone likea on.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
YouTube every day and being like, I can't talk to
you right now.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
The defense is on.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah, she was on the legal team. I would joke
that she I was like, oh my god, what happened
in court today? Was did you do cross? What happened anyway?
So tell everyone about miss Karen Reid.

Speaker 6 (53:17):
So why is she courageous? She had the guts to
fight the case instead of taking a plea deal, and
she put together an avengerlike defense team, and she had
to go on trial not once but twice. First trial
ended up in a hung jury, second one finally acquitted, unapologetic,
zero fucks given, even when the court of public opinion

(53:39):
was screaming guilty. She's notorious because she wasn't just on
trial in the courtroom. She was on trial in the
court of public opinion. TikTok dissected her every move, Reddit
spun entire threads about her podcast, debated her guilt or innocence.
And now there is going to be a limited series
starring Elizabeth Banks, Yes who she's in the Cunt.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Of the week.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
There's for so many reasons.

Speaker 6 (54:06):
She is such a great actress. At first, I was
really kind of like, huh, I didn't quite see it,
but I have every faith in Elizabeth Banks. She's gonna
kill this role.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Oh yeah, you know what this makes me want to
do because we never get to do it.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Oh and that is it?

Speaker 6 (54:26):
Oh wait, that's one last one ten of a woman.
Because when your private hell becomes a public headline, most
people would crumble, and she didn't.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
She fought like hell.

Speaker 6 (54:35):
So Karen Reid is the Rage POD's cunt of the
weekendmar Why are you laughing at it?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Because I love that. It's like reading like it's like
the tras for the movie. People would crumble. She stepped
up and said, not today, Satan.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Sittan Sitan. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
That's it.

Speaker 6 (55:00):
That's my cond of the week.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Courageous, unapologetic, notorious, teletal woman or whatever you're feeling for
that day.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
All right, Well should we close out the show?

Speaker 1 (55:10):
I think we should.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
People are getting bored of us.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
They are, I mean, I feel like it's amazing that
they stay the whole time and they don't, but.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
They might like it.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
Felt like it felt like in the Rage Hotline that
Penelope was really with us, and that's all i'm gonna say.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Penelope was really struggling with that, and I appreciate that
she felt comfortable to tell us all about it.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
I'm with you, all right. Let's have Wendy take us out.

Speaker 6 (55:34):
Deep breath in one, two three, rage scream into your pillow.
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