March 8, 2025 • 29 mins
Richard Sherman reacts to the news around the NFL, including DK Metcalf requesting a trade from the Seattle Seahawks, Seattle cutting Tyler Lockett, the Los Angeles Chargers releasing Joey Bosa, the subsequent rumors that Joey may team up with his brother Nick on the San Francisco 49ers, Maxx Crosby signing a record-breaking deal with the Las Vegas Raiders, Saquon Barkley's new deal with the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles resetting the running back market, and the Kansas City Chiefs trading Joe Thuney to the Chicago Bears.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome back to the Richard Truman Podcast. It's the off season,
which means news is flying every day, so we gotta
give you more more often. And this week we're hearing
that DK Metcalf wants to be traded out of Seattle,
he wants a new contract. We got the look news
of Tyler Lockett, we got Joey Bosa getting cut. It's
(00:37):
so much going on, Mitchell, thank god your Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Are out of it.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
For James, I was gonna say, Man, I mean, right
after we wrapped the last podcast, we check out for
about an hour or two, and then you log back
in and you see Tyler Lockey gets cut. You see
DK Metcalf request to trade, you see Joey Bosa gets cut.
This is the off season. News free flows throughout it,
and we're here at the Richard True Podcast to give
you our thoughts and impressions. Let's start with Seattle. The big,
(01:05):
big news is DK Metcalf allegedly wants out of town.
You know they have JSN there, They had Tyler Lockett
last year. It looked like a position of strength. But
now DK requested trade Richard. Where is your head at
with this? Because it seems like it's gonna release some ripples.
I mean, we've seen it with other teams. Tyreek Hill
(01:26):
did something similar at a similar age. Devonte Adams did
something similar when he got out of Green Bay. What
do you make of this? DK metcalf news.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Well, I'm gonna take it back a few layers. Peel
back the layers. If you look at last season, you
could see the focus was on JSN and getting him
the ball and featuring him in the slot and you know,
targeting him, and he was the most targeted receiver on
that team, and down the stretch when big games, big plays,
they were going to him. And it seems like that's
(01:55):
the way this franchise wants to move. But then you
look at this offseason and they fire Ryan Grubb and
you know, pick up uh Kobiak and they talk about
wanting to run the football more and and and focusing
on the run game. And if you're a receiver, that
is not what you want to hear, especially coming off
(02:15):
a season that you felt like you probably wanted the
ball more, needed the ball more. I don't I don't
know many receivers that never that ever feel like they
got the ball enough. And so if you're DK Metcalf
and you're looking at this situation and you're saying, Hey,
you guys want.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
To run the ball more, you want to feature JSN.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
How now I'm in the prime of my career and
and and it's going to be pretty much relegated to
this all in this offense, I went out and I
want more money. And again it comes down to leverage.
It comes down to him being able to stand tin
toes down. I mean, holding out isn't really an option.
Guys hold in now, you know, showing up to training camp,
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showing up to many camp and not playing is an
option that guys have have have used and effectively and
gotten the things that they wanted. Because it's harder to
punish a guy that's holding in, that's in the building
every day and you know, going to meetings, doing treatment
and just isn't playing. You know, this is gonna be
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a real fork in the road for Mike McDonald and
his Seahawks tenure. He's gonna have to make a decision
if you give him a new deal, does it set
a president that hey, you know, all you got to
do is is is ask for a trade and you
get a new deal, or is he gonna trade him
and say make the make the the stand that hey,
you come out disgruntled, where we're gonna We're gonna do
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what's best for this organization, this team. Nobody's bigger than
a team. And then you trade him away and do
you trade him where he wants to go and show
a guy who's who's who's done well by this franchise loyalty?
Or are you gonna just trade him away to one
of the worst teams in the league and kind of
give you a you know, hey, you know you like
the Patriots used to do they trade everybody to the Browns.
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It's gonna be interesting and I want to see how
it plays out. You know, Can they play hardball and
say we're not gonna do anything, We're just gonna make
you play.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
It seems like that will create distractions in the locker room,
create more drama. And you know, a franchise that's trying
to get back to the playoffs and trying to get
back to relevance, you lose a franchise icon like Tyler
Lockett in the process, a veteran presence, a guy who's
just a do right, do things right, always reliable guy
in the locker room. You're losing him and getting this
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news on top of that. So there's just a lot
of a lot of moving pieces that have to be
navigated at this point. And I'm interested to see how
Mike McDonald does because this is an important off season
for him and John Snyder. What is John Snyder going
to do? Are you going to be bullied and to
trade him away where he wants to go, or are
you going to stand your ground? What are you guys
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gonna do? Because how this moves is going to impact
a lot, and you have to do it before the
draft in order to get the draft picks to use
for this year's draft. You don't want to get wait
till after draft and get picks next year that can't
help you this year. Dk metcalf is a real life
Bote five number one receiver for you right now, and
people can argue maybe JSN is starting to transcend that,
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but if you don't get picks that can help you
this year, you have made a mistake.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Well that's just it. And we look at some comps.
I mean, let's talk about aj Brown when he got
dealt similar situation. Tennessee chose not to pay him. They
go ahead and trade him to the Philadelphia Eagles. Richard,
that return was a first and a third day you
went on to use that first round pick, number eighteen
overall on Treylon Burkes. We see how that's played out
for Tennessee. So and then you look at the other side,
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which I already referenced, Devonte Adams requesting a trade out
of Green Bay gets sent to the Raiders for a
first and second. That didn't necessarily work out all that
well for the Raiders. I don't know if they would
have done that trade again in that situation. And then
you look at Tyreek Hill a first, second, fourth, and
a sixth, you know, and Tyreek it was at the
top of his game, much like DK in his prime.
(05:59):
But I don't know if the Dolphins go back and
do that deal. So like the Seattle Seahawks are seeking
a first in a third. I mean, what team do
you think takes the bait?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
If any no team takes the bait, because no teams
that desperate, you know, I think teams are realizing that,
you know, there are there. Receivers are needed, and they're
important to these offenses, and you got to have two
good ones. But there are good ones you can find
for not thirty million dollars. And if they can get
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him for this price, you don't want him disgruntled. So
do you immediately pay a guy who has not played
for you yet thirty plus million dollars? Do you increase
his salary when he hasn't. Teams have done it in
the past, and I've never agreed with it. If I
was an NFLGM, I'm not paying anybody until you play
for me. I'm not giving you an extension until you
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show me. And you can argue about it all you want,
then don't come to my team because until you show
it on my team, I'm not paying you an extension.
I can franchise tag you, I can control you. I
can do what I need to do to keep you.
You know, I think that's always a slippery slope, But
it's tough because the amount you have to give up
to get players like that, you're giving them both draft
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compensation and financial compensation. That's what makes it a bad
deal for a lot of these teams, and it handicaps
them going forward and they don't realize until it's too late.
I think at most you get two thirds for him,
you know, something like that, maybe a third, fourth, sixth combination,
something like that, where there's a throwaway picking there if
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somebody wants to give them a receiver in exchange a
third and another receiver. You know, I think I've seen
that floating around with the Green Bay Packers potentially shipping
Romeo Dobbs out for DK Metcalf and add a third
round pick to it. You know, that's something, But again,
what president is that setting in Green Bay? Like, Hey,
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he's the one everybody who's been here grinding, working, doing that.
You guys are behind him. He's the big and you know,
sometimes that ruins culture. So I think DKs a great
player and deserves the money and deserves what he's asking for.
But is it going to make sense for a team
to do that deal. That's what it's going to come
down to, and I'm not sure there's a lot of
teams in terms of a first round pick that are
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willing to do a deal in regards to that. Now,
if you're going third or beyond, I think it's more reasonable,
and I think teams will be willing to hear that.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
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Speaker 3 (10:09):
But if Seattle is able to swing a deal for
dk sending him out of town, they're certainly going to
be in the market for wide receiver help. They go
on to cut one of your very good friends. I
know you have a lot of respect for Tyler Lockett
Richard he E's He's one of the all time greats
in Seattle. I know the fan base loves him. He's
a class act. Any interaction I've ever had with him.
(10:30):
He's a great guy. You can speak a help a
lot better to it, though, what's your reaction to this,
Tyler Lockett News.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Did you see this coming?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You know, I guess you see it coming eventually, especially
with Seattle Seahawks. I think it was Quandre Dieks who said, so,
I'm on Twitter. You know about Seattle and they're great players,
and you know they never allow them to retire with them.
You know, they always cut or trade. They're great players,
and this is just another example of that. It's unfortunate,
but you know that the fans of the city are
always like, man, you know, it's better for us to
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get rid of him. It's like, I don't know how
these other franchises have got away with guys playing twenty years,
fifteen years with the same franchise and having some loyalty
to him. But unfortunately that's not the way it is
with the Seattle Seahawks. And I'm sure Tyler Lockey wants
to continue to play, and he'll get another opportunity, probably
with a contender. I wouldn't be surprised if the Buffalo
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Bills called him. I wouldn't be surprised the Kansas City
Chiefs call him, you know, because he's just a reliable guy,
a reliable receiver, him that has a great set of hands,
always in the right spot. Really smart, high IQ player,
hard worker, great locker room guy, great teammate, great guy
in the community. You know, all the things that you
would want in a player, he possesses. So he was
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a great teammate when when I played with him, and
I'm happy for all the success that he had in Seattle.
I just wish, you know, they did better by their
great players. But you know, that's the story I've had
for a long time. You know, you look at some
of the all time great players that have played for
that franchise over the last decade.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Know, Bobby Wagner, what happened to him?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
He comes, he gets shipped off, they don't resign him,
and then they try to bring him back and he
has an all Pro season, and then don't resign him again.
He goes somewhere else, has an all Pro Pro Bowl season,
and you know, so that kind of kills the argument that, oh, man,
it's because they're losing a step or because oh he's
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not the player he used to be. Like nobody's the
player they used to be. But he's still an all
time great player. And you know, there's some part of
this franchise where you're not replacing him with a better
player then allow him to go out on his ten
toes with that jersey on. And when you don't, you know,
you kind of lose the luster for the franchise. And
I think that's what's happened a lot of times, and
that's what's happened again right now. You know, with the
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Seattle Seahawks, they're losing an icon of the last decade
for this team.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Sure if there was a chance at to reduce salary
and allowing him to continue, he would have done that.
But you know, something to be said when they don't
give him the opportunity to take a reduced salary and say,
hey man, just give me the veteran minimum, let me
finish out my career here and you know, or let
him get beat out. You know, if it's obvious, hey
he's gotten beat out, like you don't have You don't
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have three more receivers better than Tyler Lockett on the roster,
and if you trade DK, you're gonna be wishing you
had him back, and so.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, Richard, He's got the type of game that just
doesn't age like somebody else's game. I mean, he's notorious
for getting down once he catches a ball. He's not
really a yak king at all. That's not really his game.
He's just a locker room guy that's in the right
position for the quarterback to deliver the ball at all times.
He's a safety blanket, the ultimate safety blanket for the
Seattle Seahawks offense. And it doesn't make a whole lot
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of sense to me why you would move on off
the field. I mean, and Richard, you can talk about
this as well. I mean, Tyler Lockett has developed a
name for himself, and not as a football player, but
also as a realtor in the Seattle market. I mean,
the guy is so involved in the community. You just
hate to see a move like this and how it
all some of the up ends everything else you've built
off the field as well. One guy that might be
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very interested and bring him in into his ball club
is Pete Carroll, the former head coach of the Seattle Seahawks.
I mean, he's looking to build a culture there in Vegas.
Would Tyler Locke could be that perfect partner out there
in Raider country to bring that new culture.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, I think it'd be great on the Raiders side,
it makes sense for them. I don't know if it
would make sense for Tyler to do that, because you know,
he's at the end of his career. He wants to
be in competitive games down the stretch. He wants to
be in playoff games. I'm sure he wants to ring
on his finger and so looking to the contending teams,
you know, that's probably where you want him to look
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in terms of finding his next opportunity, whether it's you know,
one of the teams we just talked about, Buffalo or
Kansas City, or if you go NFC. You know, the
Minnesota Vikings wouldn't be bad. They had a winning season
last year. Your Detroit Lions, you know, depending they pretty
They're pretty full over there, and he does a lot
of things that Amon Rod does, So I don't know
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if he would fit that offense particularly, but I think
that's what he's going to be looking for, an opportunity
to play meaningful games down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I wouldn't be surprised the Dallas Cowboys called.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Him, and but again, ceedee Lamb is in a slot
doing a lot of his damage. So but you know,
Tyler Locke could help that team, He could help a
lot of teams. So I think that's what he's going
to be looking for. But again, going back to the franchise,
it's like, I don't know what it would take to
retire a Seahawk at this point, you know, I mean
for a guy to finish his career where he started,
what they would have to accomplish to finish their career
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there and not get cut by the or not be
resigned by this franchise, you know. I mean, Bobby's been
All Pro every single season since Jesus was a baby,
and he still didn't get resigned.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
And he's gotten cut before.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So I think it's hard for me to understand that,
and just really wish I challenge the fans tell me
what it would take to retire outside of leading and
playing up somewhere else and coming back and shiring there,
you know what I mean, I don't know what they
expect from these guys to retire there, and I and
I think they're you know, fans get you know, up
in arms at times about how players feel about certain franchises.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
But it's a weird deal. It's a really weird deal.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Let's go on to Joey Bosa, you know, Nicholas John
Bosa's brother, and so let's switch our heads because I
think there's a chance.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I think there's a chance it happens. Now.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It has to make sense. Joey Bosa has been a
really productive player in this league for a long time,
but he's been very injured, very beat up, banged up
the last couple of years. Hasn't been as productive, only
five sacks last year. You know, on the surface, it
sounds like a really cool story, two brothers playing together.
I think it would be a really cool move at
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the right price.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Obviously this would be incentive based deal, you know, because
it would be pending Joey's health, you know, so you'd
have per game roster bonuses in there. You know, if
he's active, if he's playing, bang, he gets paid that day.
You are, you know, you want, you want things like
that to protect the team and still give him a
chance to make his money. And I think you know,
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if you go five sacks, ten sacks, seven or eight sacks,
you know what I mean? Those plateau those things, if
he hitting those if he's hitting those numbers, getting him
his money. But anything over five million dollars even with
that is a stretch right now. But I think it'd
be great for Nick. I think you still got to
build that D line. You got to get great D tackles.
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I think Jonathan Allen may be made available. I think
that's somebody who would work in his defense and would
be a great piece of one of the great run
stoppers in this uh in this league. I think he's
the guy that they need to look at. But getting
Joey as an accessory piece, you know, as a rotational
pass rusher, would be great.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I don't know if he can play forty fifty snaps
a game, you know, but a guy coming in and
paying twenty twenty five snaps, I think he'd be effective.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And I think it'd make his brother really happy.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Well, they just released Javon Hargrave Richard, so they got
some extra cap space. How realistic is it though, because
I'm sure there's going to be some other suitors. Am
I Detroit Lions I assume are going to make a
phone call out there to Joey Bosa and We all
know edge rusher's come at a premium in this league,
but you're right. I mean, Joey Bosa is thirty plus
years old and his best years are more than likely
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behind him, especially with the last three years being often injured.
You've talked about the Niners they need help on the
defensive front. How much do you think this Javon Hargrave
release is going to further impact that for him? He
signed for a four year, eighty five million dollar deal
back in twenty twenty three and has already seen as
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somebody that's not going to fit with them anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
It's them trying to make a decision early. It hurts
in terms that are dead money, it increases it. I
think they've got the most dead money in the league
right now. But I think it's something that had to happen.
You know, he was injured last season, he hasn't been
as productive the season before as they would have won it,
and they need to find some impact players, some real
run stuffers there. I expect them to be really aggressive
in free agency in terms of finding run stopping d
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tackles that can get the job done. That's important for
them right now, and so this is a move they
had to make. They're letting him come free. I think
I think they would want him back at a reduce
salary if he wants to come back, and they'll let
him test the market. I think that conversation has been had.
But you can't keep him alling for that salary for
the impact that he was making at the time, and
that's the unfortunate part about the league.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Well, let's talk about another ed rusher, and that's Max Crosby.
He just signed a record deal three year, one hundred
and six point five million dollars, ninety one point five
of which is guaranteed. He's the highest paid non QB
in NFL history. What's your reaction to this deal.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I mean, he's been a really great player in this
league for a long time and he deserves that. You know,
the Raiders are showing him respect to respect and loyalty
that he deserves. And he's up the market and makes
the rest of these deals look like a bargain. But
again going back to Micah Parsons, now the price is
going up now the now the numbers thirty five point five,
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and he'll he'll want thirty six or thirty seven and
so instead of giving him thirty three or thirty four
that you would have had to give him a year ago,
you're waiting and waiting and the price just continues to
go up. And that's going to be an issue down
a stretch. Another person who just got paid Saquon Barkley,
except the you know, we were talking about running backs
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not being important, running backs not getting the money they deserve,
and here comes Saquon Barkley getting twenty million dollars a
year extension from the Philadelphia Eagles. That's really great. Congratulations
to him, Congratulations to the running back market. Hopefully this
pushes the rest of them forward. You could see James
Cook with the eyes looking at this deal, thinking he's
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going to get something in that ballpark. I don't know,
I don't know if the Buffalo Bills will do that.
You know, I think it'll be seventeen sixteen, seventeen million dollars.
But still that's better than we were talking about, you know,
last season, just last off season, we were talking about
Derrick Henry getting what eight million dollars in Saquon getting
twelve and a half or whatever it was from the
Philadelphia Eagles, and like man, like every other market is
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going up substantially, and a running back market is twelve
and a half and so now it's starting to increase
at the pace that it needs to increase. And I'm
happy to see that. I'm happy for the running backs,
happy for Saquon and his family he deserves.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
It's a good day to be a running back.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I will say that, I mean, does this how much
does this go on to affect the rest of the market,
because Saquon was so dominant, I mean, he was in
the MVP conversation. You don't see that very often at
that position. Kudos to the Philadelphia Eagles for taking care
of them. Another stray shot to the New York Giants
and their mismanagement of that situation. I mean, here's a
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guy that deserved the money. He's still athletically in his prime,
and he's being taken care of by the franchise he's
playing with now after bringing home the Lombardi. How does
affect the rest of the market though, because do you
see a trend where we're going to see running backs
getting paid twenty million dollars plus going forward? I specifically
want to ask because we got some big names coming up.
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Vijon Robinson. You know my guy here in Detroit, Jamiir Gibbs.
These guys are going to be up for extension here
in a couple of years and it could be a
position that they deserve to make twenty million dollars at
at that time.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, I think this is This is the way of
the world, you know, this is capitalism. Everything goes up.
I think the receiver market is going to go stagnant
at some point because they have grown too much over
the years for the amount of impact they have. And
I think that's happened because of how much TV time
they get to, all the dances, all the TikTok all
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the viral moments, which is great. But I think that
will come down to earth and it'll bring back up
the rest of the market.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I think the corners will catch up, the tackles will
catch up, the dns will catch up. Because it used
to be a time where DNS receivers owners used to
you know, it used to all be pretty evened out.
You know, you catch one guy getting the high, then
the receiver's.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Got the high.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
And you know, in terms of non quarterbacks, it used
to be a number of different positions. Now the receivers
have a jump, leaps and bounds above everybody. And now
Max Crosby obviously caught up with the thirty five and
a half. But I think that the running back this
is the natural trajectory of the running back market. Everything
else was going like this, and the running back market
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wasn't growing as the salary cap was, and I think
this was a natural correction. I don't know if many
running backs can ask for what sa Kwon did because
he had once in a lifetime kind of season, but
I think seventeen eighteen million dollars for those running backs
is going to be a reasonable ask and a reasonable
number that they'll receive.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Let's turn our attention to the Chicago Bears. They've made
a couple of big moves in the trenches here this week. Richard,
You've always emphasized strength in the trenches, and Ben Johnson
came from the Detroit Lions organization that was known for
having a top five offensive line for the last few years,
and you can see he's making this a point of
emphasis there in Chicago. Trying to protect Caleb Williams, they
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go out and trade for Jonah Jackson, who was a
starter for the Detroit Lions for a number of years
before signing with the Rams last offseason. He's familiar with
Ben Johnson and his scheme. And then they go out
and get Joe Thuney from from the Kansas City Chiefs, who, frankly,
I didn't even know he was available. You know, I
thought he was going to be a stalwart on that
old line for the Chiefs for the next few years
(24:36):
to come. They go out and trade Kansas City a
fourth round pick for him. What do you make of
these upgrades to the old line for Ben Johnson? Do
you expect Caleb Williams to have, you know, the year
he should have here in his sophomore season.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, I expect him to be setting up right a
lot more.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Joe Tony did a heck of a job for the
Kansas City Chiefs, moved out to tackle late in the
season through the playoffs, did an excellent job at that
after having an all Pro season at left guard. I think,
I think this is gonna be really great for Caleb Williams.
I think the interior offensive line is important, you know,
allowing him to feel comfortable and take his drop and
(25:15):
be able to step up and feel comfortable. I think
this is a great job out of Chicago Bears. This
is what they should have done last year when you
when you first get this quarterback, but you know better
late than never. And I think they're going to continue
to strengthen this offensive line, strengthen that defense, and and
really really take a leap next year. I think into
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being into at least a playoff team with these moves.
You know, I think Ben Johnson is is gonna study
Caleb Williams and what he does well this offseason and
give him an opportunity to do the things he does
well consistently. He's gonna support him with a great run game.
They have really good receiving, core dynamic, three different dynamic receivers.
(25:57):
It's gonna be a fun year to be a Chicago
Bears fan.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I was just going to say Ben Johnson's going to
bring some new energy in the building there. We've seen
him a little bit catch some headlines. He called out
Matt Lafleur in his introductory press conference that he can't
wait to be in the same division again as he
was in Detroit because he specifically wants to beat Matt
Lafleur twice a season.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And then we see him.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
At the combine talking about how this is the first
time that he's going to have a mobile quarterback and
almost you know, and then Jered Golf catches astray. What
do you make of some of these comments that Ben
Johnson has made? Is it is it something as as
a team, you know, if you're playing under this guy,
are you applauding this or is it something that it's
negative attention that you want away from your organization.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Well, I think it's too early to know, you know,
I think you got to wait and see it's I
don't think it's too negative attention. You know, there's rivalries
in NFL that you know. I mean, I'm okay with
a little bit of a stirring the pot. Yeah, you
look at you talking to Man so well, starting the
pot is okay with me. If you want to stirn
the pot and you want to bring back the rivalries
and you want the coach to be part of the rivalry, okay,
(27:02):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I'm here for it. But players got to back it up.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And so I don't think any player in the National
Football League is afraid of a challenge. And you know, afraid,
oh man, don't don't don't don't say too much, coach.
We don't want him to be upset. I don't think
you're gonna run into a locker room and find a
guy like that. If you do, he's getting run out
of that locker room very sooner and he won't be
putting pats on for much longer.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But I think it's fine.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
You know, I don't know if Jared catching strays is
the best, but I don't know if he sees it
as him catching straights because he's not mobile. Jared Golf,
Jared Golf couldn't Jared Golf A he not running Metell.
He's not Jared Golf is executing from that pocket. Anything
outside of that is is is extra, you know, icing
(27:44):
on the cake. And I think, you know, be careful
what you wish for. Because mobile quarterbacks, there's there's positives
and negative to everything. You know, there's positives to a
pocket pass or quick decision maker, and there's positive to
a to a guy who's mobile and can get out
of the pocket and get out of arm's way. But
there are also other things you're gonna have to coach.
Once you get out of the pocket and decision thrown
across your body, certain mistakes that are made that he
(28:07):
may not have run into, so be careful what you
wish for. I think Kayleb Williams is going to be
a good quarterback in this league, but there's other factors
associated to mobile quarterbacks that Ben Johnson has not had
to deal with.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Well, this is our second podcast of the offseason. I
know we got more to come. Free agency starts next week.
It's going to be a very active week.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Richard.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
We will have another one next week. I'm sure I
will let you sign us off.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
My friend.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Well, thank you guys again for joining us. We're trying
to make this one quicker than the last one, trying
to keep up with all the news that's going on
out there. We appreciate you joining us, appreciate you sticking
with us. You could be anywhere in the world, but
you're here with us, and we sure sure do appreciate you.
Have a beautiful, blessed day. The volume
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Championship. That should always be the expectation. All right, man Ax,
you go ahead.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome back to the Richard Truman Podcast. It's the off season,
which means news is flying every day, so we gotta
give you more more often. And this week we're hearing
that DK Metcalf wants to be traded out of Seattle,
he wants a new contract. We got the look news
of Tyler Lockett, we got Joey Bosa getting cut. It's
(00:37):
so much going on, Mitchell, thank god your Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Are out of it.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
For James, I was gonna say, Man, I mean, right
after we wrapped the last podcast, we check out for
about an hour or two, and then you log back
in and you see Tyler Lockey gets cut. You see
DK Metcalf request to trade, you see Joey Bosa gets cut.
This is the off season. News free flows throughout it,
and we're here at the Richard True Podcast to give
you our thoughts and impressions. Let's start with Seattle. The big,
(01:05):
big news is DK Metcalf allegedly wants out of town.
You know they have JSN there, They had Tyler Lockett
last year. It looked like a position of strength. But
now DK requested trade Richard. Where is your head at
with this? Because it seems like it's gonna release some ripples.
I mean, we've seen it with other teams. Tyreek Hill
(01:26):
did something similar at a similar age. Devonte Adams did
something similar when he got out of Green Bay. What
do you make of this? DK metcalf news.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Well, I'm gonna take it back a few layers. Peel
back the layers. If you look at last season, you
could see the focus was on JSN and getting him
the ball and featuring him in the slot and you know,
targeting him, and he was the most targeted receiver on
that team, and down the stretch when big games, big plays,
they were going to him. And it seems like that's
(01:55):
the way this franchise wants to move. But then you
look at this offseason and they fire Ryan Grubb and
you know, pick up uh Kobiak and they talk about
wanting to run the football more and and and focusing
on the run game. And if you're a receiver, that
is not what you want to hear, especially coming off
(02:15):
a season that you felt like you probably wanted the
ball more, needed the ball more. I don't I don't
know many receivers that never that ever feel like they
got the ball enough. And so if you're DK Metcalf
and you're looking at this situation and you're saying, Hey,
you guys want.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
To run the ball more, you want to feature JSN.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
How now I'm in the prime of my career and
and and it's going to be pretty much relegated to
this all in this offense, I went out and I
want more money. And again it comes down to leverage.
It comes down to him being able to stand tin
toes down. I mean, holding out isn't really an option.
Guys hold in now, you know, showing up to training camp,
(02:54):
showing up to many camp and not playing is an
option that guys have have have used and effectively and
gotten the things that they wanted. Because it's harder to
punish a guy that's holding in, that's in the building
every day and you know, going to meetings, doing treatment
and just isn't playing. You know, this is gonna be
(03:15):
a real fork in the road for Mike McDonald and
his Seahawks tenure. He's gonna have to make a decision
if you give him a new deal, does it set
a president that hey, you know, all you got to
do is is is ask for a trade and you
get a new deal, or is he gonna trade him
and say make the make the the stand that hey,
you come out disgruntled, where we're gonna We're gonna do
(03:37):
what's best for this organization, this team. Nobody's bigger than
a team. And then you trade him away and do
you trade him where he wants to go and show
a guy who's who's who's done well by this franchise loyalty?
Or are you gonna just trade him away to one
of the worst teams in the league and kind of
give you a you know, hey, you know you like
the Patriots used to do they trade everybody to the Browns.
(03:57):
It's gonna be interesting and I want to see how
it plays out. You know, Can they play hardball and
say we're not gonna do anything, We're just gonna make
you play.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
It seems like that will create distractions in the locker room,
create more drama. And you know, a franchise that's trying
to get back to the playoffs and trying to get
back to relevance, you lose a franchise icon like Tyler
Lockett in the process, a veteran presence, a guy who's
just a do right, do things right, always reliable guy
in the locker room. You're losing him and getting this
(04:27):
news on top of that. So there's just a lot
of a lot of moving pieces that have to be
navigated at this point. And I'm interested to see how
Mike McDonald does because this is an important off season
for him and John Snyder. What is John Snyder going
to do? Are you going to be bullied and to
trade him away where he wants to go, or are
you going to stand your ground? What are you guys
(04:48):
gonna do? Because how this moves is going to impact
a lot, and you have to do it before the
draft in order to get the draft picks to use
for this year's draft. You don't want to get wait
till after draft and get picks next year that can't
help you this year. Dk metcalf is a real life
Bote five number one receiver for you right now, and
people can argue maybe JSN is starting to transcend that,
(05:10):
but if you don't get picks that can help you
this year, you have made a mistake.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Well that's just it. And we look at some comps.
I mean, let's talk about aj Brown when he got
dealt similar situation. Tennessee chose not to pay him. They
go ahead and trade him to the Philadelphia Eagles. Richard,
that return was a first and a third day you
went on to use that first round pick, number eighteen
overall on Treylon Burkes. We see how that's played out
for Tennessee. So and then you look at the other side,
(05:37):
which I already referenced, Devonte Adams requesting a trade out
of Green Bay gets sent to the Raiders for a
first and second. That didn't necessarily work out all that
well for the Raiders. I don't know if they would
have done that trade again in that situation. And then
you look at Tyreek Hill a first, second, fourth, and
a sixth, you know, and Tyreek it was at the
top of his game, much like DK in his prime.
(05:59):
But I don't know if the Dolphins go back and
do that deal. So like the Seattle Seahawks are seeking
a first in a third. I mean, what team do
you think takes the bait?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
If any no team takes the bait, because no teams
that desperate, you know, I think teams are realizing that,
you know, there are there. Receivers are needed, and they're
important to these offenses, and you got to have two
good ones. But there are good ones you can find
for not thirty million dollars. And if they can get
(06:31):
him for this price, you don't want him disgruntled. So
do you immediately pay a guy who has not played
for you yet thirty plus million dollars? Do you increase
his salary when he hasn't. Teams have done it in
the past, and I've never agreed with it. If I
was an NFLGM, I'm not paying anybody until you play
for me. I'm not giving you an extension until you
(06:51):
show me. And you can argue about it all you want,
then don't come to my team because until you show
it on my team, I'm not paying you an extension.
I can franchise tag you, I can control you. I
can do what I need to do to keep you.
You know, I think that's always a slippery slope, But
it's tough because the amount you have to give up
to get players like that, you're giving them both draft
(07:12):
compensation and financial compensation. That's what makes it a bad
deal for a lot of these teams, and it handicaps
them going forward and they don't realize until it's too late.
I think at most you get two thirds for him,
you know, something like that, maybe a third, fourth, sixth combination,
something like that, where there's a throwaway picking there if
(07:33):
somebody wants to give them a receiver in exchange a
third and another receiver. You know, I think I've seen
that floating around with the Green Bay Packers potentially shipping
Romeo Dobbs out for DK Metcalf and add a third
round pick to it. You know, that's something, But again,
what president is that setting in Green Bay? Like, Hey,
(07:54):
he's the one everybody who's been here grinding, working, doing that.
You guys are behind him. He's the big and you know,
sometimes that ruins culture. So I think DKs a great
player and deserves the money and deserves what he's asking for.
But is it going to make sense for a team
to do that deal. That's what it's going to come
down to, and I'm not sure there's a lot of
teams in terms of a first round pick that are
(08:16):
willing to do a deal in regards to that. Now,
if you're going third or beyond, I think it's more reasonable,
and I think teams will be willing to hear that.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
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Speaker 3 (10:09):
But if Seattle is able to swing a deal for
dk sending him out of town, they're certainly going to
be in the market for wide receiver help. They go
on to cut one of your very good friends. I
know you have a lot of respect for Tyler Lockett
Richard he E's He's one of the all time greats
in Seattle. I know the fan base loves him. He's
a class act. Any interaction I've ever had with him.
(10:30):
He's a great guy. You can speak a help a
lot better to it, though, what's your reaction to this,
Tyler Lockett News.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Did you see this coming?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You know, I guess you see it coming eventually, especially
with Seattle Seahawks. I think it was Quandre Dieks who said, so,
I'm on Twitter. You know about Seattle and they're great players,
and you know they never allow them to retire with them.
You know, they always cut or trade. They're great players,
and this is just another example of that. It's unfortunate,
but you know that the fans of the city are
always like, man, you know, it's better for us to
(11:00):
get rid of him. It's like, I don't know how
these other franchises have got away with guys playing twenty years,
fifteen years with the same franchise and having some loyalty
to him. But unfortunately that's not the way it is
with the Seattle Seahawks. And I'm sure Tyler Lockey wants
to continue to play, and he'll get another opportunity, probably
with a contender. I wouldn't be surprised if the Buffalo
(11:21):
Bills called him. I wouldn't be surprised the Kansas City
Chiefs call him, you know, because he's just a reliable guy,
a reliable receiver, him that has a great set of hands,
always in the right spot. Really smart, high IQ player,
hard worker, great locker room guy, great teammate, great guy
in the community. You know, all the things that you
would want in a player, he possesses. So he was
(11:42):
a great teammate when when I played with him, and
I'm happy for all the success that he had in Seattle.
I just wish, you know, they did better by their
great players. But you know, that's the story I've had
for a long time. You know, you look at some
of the all time great players that have played for
that franchise over the last decade.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Know, Bobby Wagner, what happened to him?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
He comes, he gets shipped off, they don't resign him,
and then they try to bring him back and he
has an all Pro season, and then don't resign him again.
He goes somewhere else, has an all Pro Pro Bowl season,
and you know, so that kind of kills the argument that, oh, man,
it's because they're losing a step or because oh he's
(12:22):
not the player he used to be. Like nobody's the
player they used to be. But he's still an all
time great player. And you know, there's some part of
this franchise where you're not replacing him with a better
player then allow him to go out on his ten
toes with that jersey on. And when you don't, you know,
you kind of lose the luster for the franchise. And
I think that's what's happened a lot of times, and
that's what's happened again right now. You know, with the
(12:44):
Seattle Seahawks, they're losing an icon of the last decade
for this team.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Sure if there was a chance at to reduce salary
and allowing him to continue, he would have done that.
But you know, something to be said when they don't
give him the opportunity to take a reduced salary and say,
hey man, just give me the veteran minimum, let me
finish out my career here and you know, or let
him get beat out. You know, if it's obvious, hey
he's gotten beat out, like you don't have You don't
(13:12):
have three more receivers better than Tyler Lockett on the roster,
and if you trade DK, you're gonna be wishing you
had him back, and so.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, Richard, He's got the type of game that just
doesn't age like somebody else's game. I mean, he's notorious
for getting down once he catches a ball. He's not
really a yak king at all. That's not really his game.
He's just a locker room guy that's in the right
position for the quarterback to deliver the ball at all times.
He's a safety blanket, the ultimate safety blanket for the
Seattle Seahawks offense. And it doesn't make a whole lot
(13:42):
of sense to me why you would move on off
the field. I mean, and Richard, you can talk about
this as well. I mean, Tyler Lockett has developed a
name for himself, and not as a football player, but
also as a realtor in the Seattle market. I mean,
the guy is so involved in the community. You just
hate to see a move like this and how it
all some of the up ends everything else you've built
off the field as well. One guy that might be
(14:05):
very interested and bring him in into his ball club
is Pete Carroll, the former head coach of the Seattle Seahawks.
I mean, he's looking to build a culture there in Vegas.
Would Tyler Locke could be that perfect partner out there
in Raider country to bring that new culture.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, I think it'd be great on the Raiders side,
it makes sense for them. I don't know if it
would make sense for Tyler to do that, because you know,
he's at the end of his career. He wants to
be in competitive games down the stretch. He wants to
be in playoff games. I'm sure he wants to ring
on his finger and so looking to the contending teams,
you know, that's probably where you want him to look
(14:42):
in terms of finding his next opportunity, whether it's you know,
one of the teams we just talked about, Buffalo or
Kansas City, or if you go NFC. You know, the
Minnesota Vikings wouldn't be bad. They had a winning season
last year. Your Detroit Lions, you know, depending they pretty
They're pretty full over there, and he does a lot
of things that Amon Rod does, So I don't know
(15:03):
if he would fit that offense particularly, but I think
that's what he's going to be looking for, an opportunity
to play meaningful games down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I wouldn't be surprised the Dallas Cowboys called.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Him, and but again, ceedee Lamb is in a slot
doing a lot of his damage. So but you know,
Tyler Locke could help that team, He could help a
lot of teams. So I think that's what he's going
to be looking for. But again, going back to the franchise,
it's like, I don't know what it would take to
retire a Seahawk at this point, you know, I mean
for a guy to finish his career where he started,
what they would have to accomplish to finish their career
(15:36):
there and not get cut by the or not be
resigned by this franchise, you know. I mean, Bobby's been
All Pro every single season since Jesus was a baby,
and he still didn't get resigned.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
And he's gotten cut before.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So I think it's hard for me to understand that,
and just really wish I challenge the fans tell me
what it would take to retire outside of leading and
playing up somewhere else and coming back and shiring there,
you know what I mean, I don't know what they
expect from these guys to retire there, and I and
I think they're you know, fans get you know, up
in arms at times about how players feel about certain franchises.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
But it's a weird deal. It's a really weird deal.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Let's go on to Joey Bosa, you know, Nicholas John
Bosa's brother, and so let's switch our heads because I
think there's a chance.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I think there's a chance it happens. Now.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It has to make sense. Joey Bosa has been a
really productive player in this league for a long time,
but he's been very injured, very beat up, banged up
the last couple of years. Hasn't been as productive, only
five sacks last year. You know, on the surface, it
sounds like a really cool story, two brothers playing together.
I think it would be a really cool move at
(16:48):
the right price.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Obviously this would be incentive based deal, you know, because
it would be pending Joey's health, you know, so you'd
have per game roster bonuses in there. You know, if
he's active, if he's playing, bang, he gets paid that day.
You are, you know, you want, you want things like
that to protect the team and still give him a
chance to make his money. And I think you know,
(17:11):
if you go five sacks, ten sacks, seven or eight sacks,
you know what I mean? Those plateau those things, if
he hitting those if he's hitting those numbers, getting him
his money. But anything over five million dollars even with
that is a stretch right now. But I think it'd
be great for Nick. I think you still got to
build that D line. You got to get great D tackles.
(17:32):
I think Jonathan Allen may be made available. I think
that's somebody who would work in his defense and would
be a great piece of one of the great run
stoppers in this uh in this league. I think he's
the guy that they need to look at. But getting
Joey as an accessory piece, you know, as a rotational
pass rusher, would be great.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I don't know if he can play forty fifty snaps
a game, you know, but a guy coming in and
paying twenty twenty five snaps, I think he'd be effective.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And I think it'd make his brother really happy.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Well, they just released Javon Hargrave Richard, so they got
some extra cap space. How realistic is it though, because
I'm sure there's going to be some other suitors. Am
I Detroit Lions I assume are going to make a
phone call out there to Joey Bosa and We all
know edge rusher's come at a premium in this league,
but you're right. I mean, Joey Bosa is thirty plus
years old and his best years are more than likely
(18:25):
behind him, especially with the last three years being often injured.
You've talked about the Niners they need help on the
defensive front. How much do you think this Javon Hargrave
release is going to further impact that for him? He
signed for a four year, eighty five million dollar deal
back in twenty twenty three and has already seen as
(18:46):
somebody that's not going to fit with them anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
It's them trying to make a decision early. It hurts
in terms that are dead money, it increases it. I
think they've got the most dead money in the league
right now. But I think it's something that had to happen.
You know, he was injured last season, he hasn't been
as productive the season before as they would have won it,
and they need to find some impact players, some real
run stuffers there. I expect them to be really aggressive
in free agency in terms of finding run stopping d
(19:11):
tackles that can get the job done. That's important for
them right now, and so this is a move they
had to make. They're letting him come free. I think
I think they would want him back at a reduce
salary if he wants to come back, and they'll let
him test the market. I think that conversation has been had.
But you can't keep him alling for that salary for
the impact that he was making at the time, and
that's the unfortunate part about the league.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Well, let's talk about another ed rusher, and that's Max Crosby.
He just signed a record deal three year, one hundred
and six point five million dollars, ninety one point five
of which is guaranteed. He's the highest paid non QB
in NFL history. What's your reaction to this deal.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I mean, he's been a really great player in this
league for a long time and he deserves that. You know,
the Raiders are showing him respect to respect and loyalty
that he deserves. And he's up the market and makes
the rest of these deals look like a bargain. But
again going back to Micah Parsons, now the price is
going up now the now the numbers thirty five point five,
(20:15):
and he'll he'll want thirty six or thirty seven and
so instead of giving him thirty three or thirty four
that you would have had to give him a year ago,
you're waiting and waiting and the price just continues to
go up. And that's going to be an issue down
a stretch. Another person who just got paid Saquon Barkley,
except the you know, we were talking about running backs
(20:35):
not being important, running backs not getting the money they deserve,
and here comes Saquon Barkley getting twenty million dollars a
year extension from the Philadelphia Eagles. That's really great. Congratulations
to him, Congratulations to the running back market. Hopefully this
pushes the rest of them forward. You could see James
Cook with the eyes looking at this deal, thinking he's
(20:56):
going to get something in that ballpark. I don't know,
I don't know if the Buffalo Bills will do that.
You know, I think it'll be seventeen sixteen, seventeen million dollars.
But still that's better than we were talking about, you know,
last season, just last off season, we were talking about
Derrick Henry getting what eight million dollars in Saquon getting
twelve and a half or whatever it was from the
Philadelphia Eagles, and like man, like every other market is
(21:17):
going up substantially, and a running back market is twelve
and a half and so now it's starting to increase
at the pace that it needs to increase. And I'm
happy to see that. I'm happy for the running backs,
happy for Saquon and his family he deserves.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
It's a good day to be a running back.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I will say that, I mean, does this how much
does this go on to affect the rest of the market,
because Saquon was so dominant, I mean, he was in
the MVP conversation. You don't see that very often at
that position. Kudos to the Philadelphia Eagles for taking care
of them. Another stray shot to the New York Giants
and their mismanagement of that situation. I mean, here's a
(21:51):
guy that deserved the money. He's still athletically in his prime,
and he's being taken care of by the franchise he's
playing with now after bringing home the Lombardi. How does
affect the rest of the market though, because do you
see a trend where we're going to see running backs
getting paid twenty million dollars plus going forward? I specifically
want to ask because we got some big names coming up.
(22:12):
Vijon Robinson. You know my guy here in Detroit, Jamiir Gibbs.
These guys are going to be up for extension here
in a couple of years and it could be a
position that they deserve to make twenty million dollars at
at that time.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, I think this is This is the way of
the world, you know, this is capitalism. Everything goes up.
I think the receiver market is going to go stagnant
at some point because they have grown too much over
the years for the amount of impact they have. And
I think that's happened because of how much TV time
they get to, all the dances, all the TikTok all
(22:45):
the viral moments, which is great. But I think that
will come down to earth and it'll bring back up
the rest of the market.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I think the corners will catch up, the tackles will
catch up, the dns will catch up. Because it used
to be a time where DNS receivers owners used to
you know, it used to all be pretty evened out.
You know, you catch one guy getting the high, then
the receiver's.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Got the high.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
And you know, in terms of non quarterbacks, it used
to be a number of different positions. Now the receivers
have a jump, leaps and bounds above everybody. And now
Max Crosby obviously caught up with the thirty five and
a half. But I think that the running back this
is the natural trajectory of the running back market. Everything
else was going like this, and the running back market
(23:31):
wasn't growing as the salary cap was, and I think
this was a natural correction. I don't know if many
running backs can ask for what sa Kwon did because
he had once in a lifetime kind of season, but
I think seventeen eighteen million dollars for those running backs
is going to be a reasonable ask and a reasonable
number that they'll receive.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Let's turn our attention to the Chicago Bears. They've made
a couple of big moves in the trenches here this week. Richard,
You've always emphasized strength in the trenches, and Ben Johnson
came from the Detroit Lions organization that was known for
having a top five offensive line for the last few years,
and you can see he's making this a point of
emphasis there in Chicago. Trying to protect Caleb Williams, they
(24:14):
go out and trade for Jonah Jackson, who was a
starter for the Detroit Lions for a number of years
before signing with the Rams last offseason. He's familiar with
Ben Johnson and his scheme. And then they go out
and get Joe Thuney from from the Kansas City Chiefs, who, frankly,
I didn't even know he was available. You know, I
thought he was going to be a stalwart on that
old line for the Chiefs for the next few years
(24:36):
to come. They go out and trade Kansas City a
fourth round pick for him. What do you make of
these upgrades to the old line for Ben Johnson? Do
you expect Caleb Williams to have, you know, the year
he should have here in his sophomore season.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, I expect him to be setting up right a
lot more.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Joe Tony did a heck of a job for the
Kansas City Chiefs, moved out to tackle late in the
season through the playoffs, did an excellent job at that
after having an all Pro season at left guard. I think,
I think this is gonna be really great for Caleb Williams.
I think the interior offensive line is important, you know,
allowing him to feel comfortable and take his drop and
(25:15):
be able to step up and feel comfortable. I think
this is a great job out of Chicago Bears. This
is what they should have done last year when you
when you first get this quarterback, but you know better
late than never. And I think they're going to continue
to strengthen this offensive line, strengthen that defense, and and
really really take a leap next year. I think into
(25:36):
being into at least a playoff team with these moves.
You know, I think Ben Johnson is is gonna study
Caleb Williams and what he does well this offseason and
give him an opportunity to do the things he does
well consistently. He's gonna support him with a great run game.
They have really good receiving, core dynamic, three different dynamic receivers.
(25:57):
It's gonna be a fun year to be a Chicago
Bears fan.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I was just going to say Ben Johnson's going to
bring some new energy in the building there. We've seen
him a little bit catch some headlines. He called out
Matt Lafleur in his introductory press conference that he can't
wait to be in the same division again as he
was in Detroit because he specifically wants to beat Matt
Lafleur twice a season.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And then we see him.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
At the combine talking about how this is the first
time that he's going to have a mobile quarterback and
almost you know, and then Jered Golf catches astray. What
do you make of some of these comments that Ben
Johnson has made? Is it is it something as as
a team, you know, if you're playing under this guy,
are you applauding this or is it something that it's
negative attention that you want away from your organization.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Well, I think it's too early to know, you know,
I think you got to wait and see it's I
don't think it's too negative attention. You know, there's rivalries
in NFL that you know. I mean, I'm okay with
a little bit of a stirring the pot. Yeah, you
look at you talking to Man so well, starting the
pot is okay with me. If you want to stirn
the pot and you want to bring back the rivalries
and you want the coach to be part of the rivalry, okay,
(27:02):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I'm here for it. But players got to back it up.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And so I don't think any player in the National
Football League is afraid of a challenge. And you know, afraid,
oh man, don't don't don't don't say too much, coach.
We don't want him to be upset. I don't think
you're gonna run into a locker room and find a
guy like that. If you do, he's getting run out
of that locker room very sooner and he won't be
putting pats on for much longer.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But I think it's fine.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
You know, I don't know if Jared catching strays is
the best, but I don't know if he sees it
as him catching straights because he's not mobile. Jared Golf,
Jared Golf couldn't Jared Golf A he not running Metell.
He's not Jared Golf is executing from that pocket. Anything
outside of that is is is extra, you know, icing
(27:44):
on the cake. And I think, you know, be careful
what you wish for. Because mobile quarterbacks, there's there's positives
and negative to everything. You know, there's positives to a
pocket pass or quick decision maker, and there's positive to
a to a guy who's mobile and can get out
of the pocket and get out of arm's way. But
there are also other things you're gonna have to coach.
Once you get out of the pocket and decision thrown
across your body, certain mistakes that are made that he
(28:07):
may not have run into, so be careful what you
wish for. I think Kayleb Williams is going to be
a good quarterback in this league, but there's other factors
associated to mobile quarterbacks that Ben Johnson has not had
to deal with.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Well, this is our second podcast of the offseason. I
know we got more to come. Free agency starts next week.
It's going to be a very active week.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Richard.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
We will have another one next week. I'm sure I
will let you sign us off.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
My friend.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Well, thank you guys again for joining us. We're trying
to make this one quicker than the last one, trying
to keep up with all the news that's going on
out there. We appreciate you joining us, appreciate you sticking
with us. You could be anywhere in the world, but
you're here with us, and we sure sure do appreciate you.
Have a beautiful, blessed day. The volume
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