April 24, 2020 • 53 mins
It’s the 30th anniversary of Sir Nick Faldo’s duel wins at the Masters and Open Championship in St. Andrews. In episode six of the Shack Show, Geoff talks to him about a wide array of topics including his new CBS Sports Net show, Masters replays, differences in shot-shaping, the golf swing, technology and a whole lot more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Shack Show is a production of I Heart Radio.
I doubt Sir Nick Faldo needs any introduction, but I
will remind you that he won forty one times around
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the world, six major championships. Thirty years ago, he won
the Masters for the second straight year and the Open
Championship at the Old Course. He's been with CBS since
two thousand and six as their lead analyst. He had
nineteen top five and major championships here in twenty five
Ryder Cup points. This is for the kids out there,
just reminding you that it was an incredible career. Sometimes,
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as somebody noted yesterday when I told him I was
interviewing Sir Nick, that we maybe forget how good some
of these analysts are. It's hard for them to discuss
themselves without people getting upset with them. But so Nick
never has a shortage of thoughts and eloquent interesting ideas,
and I wanted to cover a wide array of things
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with him. He has a new show coming out Monday.
I'll have show notes um on my website. Jeff Shackle
for dot Com. It's a lifestyle travel show, which I
oddly thought would be very uncomfortable to watch in these times,
but it's kind of comforting and it reminds you of
some things we get into that. He's an ambassador for
his Inspirado, so travel is always on his mind. And
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we went pretty deep with the golf swing, the transformation
of a swing, and a lot of other fun topics.
So here is my chat with sir Nick Faldo. You're
a person who who likes to travel. You live out
of a of a of a suitcase. How are you
dealing with this time? Yeah, it's funny as you say that,
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because you know, since I've been a on tour and
I went out to our eighteen uh you know, this
is the longest time I've ever spent in my house,
oh a house, Um, in my whole life. And I
think my record in one spot was five weeks. And
I know that was sixteen or years ago when when
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Emma was born, we went to Thailand and you know,
made camp for a winter five weeks in our house
and stayed in one spot and so this is my
my world record now. So I think we were at
actually week six here. Um, you know, I have we
have a place at Pontrovigia Beach, so we came in
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for the players and if we've sat tight, so we
thought we might as well, you know when you watched
and even this morning, you know, I said to lindsay,
we wait, we but I just hunkered down because it's
this thing is still around. Um. I don't think people
taking it, you know, I don't think enough people are
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taking it really seriously, really disciplined about um, you know,
just staying in your own little world. Um, because uh,
you know, we keep if we keep spreading it, we
won't be back watching golf so sports, you know, I
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think that's I wanted to send a message to all
those demonstrators and say, we'll get who are you going
to complain to when there's no sport on this summer
or or fall? Yeah, then then who you're going to
scream out? Because you know it might be because if
we're not disciplined enough to to really get a grip
on this. I agreed, yeah, that we we need to
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have more people know that football seasons in jeopardy in
our country, and then that would probably that would be
that might be yeah, yeah, because yeah, everything sounds so
far away, isn't it, Because you know when we you know,
here we are, when we were in early eight point
and then we got news that you know, we're going
to try and go back to work in June, and
you think, well, that's we're only in Actually were in
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Were we still in March? Then? I guess we were
still in March when those decisions, when you think April may,
my goodness, a long time. It's a long time away. Anyway.
What are you missing most about the road? Um? Well, yeah,
I mean it's I think we should suddenly we're always
in such a routine and you're always doing things, um
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and we and so that's really what's completely stopped. It's
suddenly like you haven't you haven't got a routine each day.
You know, you can get very lax. We can. So
we've actually trying to make some rules that you know,
you've got to get up and jump around and if
you if you skip, if we skip, do my exercises
in the morning. Then the afternoon I get very I'm
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not too sure. I want to, you know, get a
sweat up. So I like to get up and do things.
And then so even that takes everything, takes discipline, doesn't
you gotta? And I think I mean we've even when
we're watching all these shows and even meditation is a
discipline to sit and relax. And we were talking about
this last night, Lindsay and es Can we got to
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do that. We wrote a big memo stuck under the
clock and said meditate. So we just did it this morning.
So because it's so good for you. Um, it's repairs
all sorts of stuff and re reconnects you and and
just switching off. It's actually forcedness have a bit of
quiet time, silence times to ourselves, which is probably a
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good thing. We charge the batteries. When I watched your
new show that's debuting on Monday night, Um, like a
lot of shows, when you watch right now, you see things. Um,
some things make you uncomfortable. Some things make you say,
well that that's not gonna ever happen again. Whatever it
is a bunch of people blowing out a birthday candle
or something, and um, but I was struck because I
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feared watching your show, which is a lifestyle travel show.
I think, if I'm summing it up correctly, it actually
made me think, oh, this is gonna make us watching
this not uncomfortable, but you'll actually be more appreciative of
things we've currently lost in the In the first world,
the people who really are not suffering during this? Um
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is that your sense of that? Did you worry now
with the show debuting, when it's debuting in the middle
of this, that there might be a misunderstanding or or
it's just poor timing, But it turns out it's it's
kind of comforting and a nice yeah, well we are,
we are, we are, we are going to clarify that. Yeah,
this was all shot pretty I haven't been sneaking out
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and shouting stuff and you know, yeah, this this was
a combination of you know, we've I've had been doing
this for when do we really start rent this up?
Six eight months ago or more, we started dreaming up
this idea. What we wanted, you know, an opportunity to
create something like this because you know, this is my
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this is my life now the television and content is king,
and we thought, well, why don't we start. It's even
before that we started, we started interviewing this early last year.
I think, yeah, I think we've probably been doing this
for a full year at least, trying to you know,
now we've we've got to put it together and now
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we're going to put four shows out while there's some
golf going on and we'll have a little breather and
get ready hopefully to put more at the end of
the season. And you know, I quite enjoy it because it's, um,
it's good for me. I I did, as were saying,
We did enjoy traveling and enjoy going to different places.
And then it's you know, and I enjoy the entertainment
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of entertaining myself and my fans. I mean, it's quite uh.
And I thought, well, everybody's it's there's not really a
case of joining it. And I think I just generally thought, well,
why not show people will get up to because a
lot of people are generally interested and they go, wow,
that's this is what our lives like. It's either I
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have their dreaming we're living in palaces, or you know,
and they're going to get a nasty shot or they
whatever this whatever the spectrum. And I thought, well, it's
just good simple entertainment. I'm I'm a huge believer in um,
you know, looking after ourselves health wise, which means you know,
which is mind you know, doing different things. That's fitness
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for your body, that's obviously foods, a bit of fun
with drink and what have you. Um, you know, in
the last couple of years, I've been starting to meet
some very different people, fascinating people in their fields, and
we thought, well, hey, why not just show this is
kind of like the Yes, it is part of the trend,
but I, um, who knows where it may go. I mean,
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I quite um. You know, I used to love watching
some of our old shows. Back in the long time ago.
We had a great chef called Keith Floyd and and
he used to just go somewhere with his with his
little cooking gas and you'd be on a harbor and say,
well that the squid's just coming fresh, and you need
a bit of this, and and then it and his
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cameraman was John, so let's and he teach it. John,
you do a close up while I have a slurp,
and you have a bottle of wine and need drink
as and then this is right, let's let's carry on.
So it was that stunt, and I think I want
to bring a bit of humor to it. Um, if
all those things try to hate it's as I said,
it's it's it's a bit of homeless entertainment. I hope
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it is. And it doesn't you don't sit there and
watch and and have anything but a good feeling. You
don't feel uncomfortable either about how life was before. It
makes you, at least for me, kind of aspirational about
when some form of normalcy returns that will be a
little more appreciative of maybe things that we had um
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not been taking for granted, well we really will. It
is this this really good? You know. Unfortunately after nine
eleven had changed you know, the security world, and this
will change out hygiene world, and obviously peop will change
the business world significantly, and hopefully we'll change the hygiene
well for the better because you know, we go through
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airports and they are filthy. I mean they really are, right,
it's you know, and you start and if you now realize, right,
we've got to everything has got to be better, better
quality of everything, and this sort of So there's that
side in the business side. My goodness, Look how it's changed.
I've got obviously friends in a lot of businesses and
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you know, now the very simple thing that companies now
realized that where so many people can work from home
and they can still operate. So why have I got
that billion dollar building in the middle of a city.
I mean, it's going to be that you know, the
commercial real estate is going to be very interesting that
side of things. And then I was gonna then I
was gonna say, and then were then starting to look
at our own lives, okay, which is, you know, what
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do I really need for my life? What's the really
important things in my life? Well, you know, sure, all
the fast cars are stuck in the blooming garage, they're
not being even. And you know, it's sure to have
your luck, It's sure, it's great to have all your
little luxurious but when you really come down to what
actually what you really need in a day to operate,
and it's genuinely you've got to just keep your mind
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active doing some interesting things. I think that's important. To
keep your body active, that's very important. And obviously your
relationship with your partners and friends it is very important.
I think the funniest thing is how we all send
these crazy videos. We never did that before. Did you
you've got you've got one a month? Did you I
get six a day of some of these anything silly
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funny you know from cats, people doing voiceovers for cats
and dogs, and and have you seen that one when
the ladies rock climbing and the leg falls off. Oh
you've got to think look for you've got to pull
that one out. And it's what it's good old British comedy.
It's just a fantastic line and it's and I'm sure
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you've seen Andrew Carter's Yeah, Andrew, that was brilliant. That
was very clever. You know he did that and so
you know, um, you had to do a commentary of
a dog and a But it's that She's probably very
good for us. We're going to get more creative and
you know, who knows what we will dream up and say, hey,
I'm actually really good at doing that, and uh, you
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know that will inspirers to do things from home as well.
And I've got I've still been voicing my show and
I did I did Want in my back garden now
a day while they're building the golf course across the road.
They've got the truck and beep beep, and I've got
to go in between the beep beep and the dumper truck.
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And it would it would have it would have been
so easy because I've done it in you know, I
don't know, thirty minutes. And we sat there for a
freaking two hours to get some space. So he was
getting really and I was trying to do a swing
thing and he's going beep and and I lost the head.
I'm fin and blind. I'm screaming, and this sucking truck
had crossed the way, and I thought, this is really good.
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I've trying to so I've even got my own I've
got my own kid to do some recording. I've actually
got to do a bit more recording. As soon as
we've done this, they want a couple more blinds. So
I got my own little world where it's so funny.
I'm in the bedroom originally with all the pillows because
it sounded good. I sit in the man because when
I get on the bed, the dogs come and sit
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on the bed as well. So now I'll come trying
to record with these these three seventy pound puppies that
you can't push him out the ways that guys get
them out of the room. Do I risk them? They
all look at me and just go silent. So okay,
do I risk doing this? Well, they're in here, and
so that's that's life life of the Fellados. Yeah, you're
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your wine runners. You posted a video of the was
it a med terror? They make? They make a dark food.
Is that right? Well, we did. It was for a
lot because you know Sas Saxon is great, they're great characters.
But he pops up very naughty. We let him. He
put his feet up on the counter of me chack
to him and because he's lovely to his morning chat
sort of thing and you just chat away and and
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he's looking what you've got and his over pretending he's
not looking or he looks, so I then, you know,
I do it. We always given them little snacks. We
were very naughty. So then we did it for just
for a laugh. First time, I said, it is morning
snacks with me and Saxon. So we did whatever. And
then we're dreaming up all sorts of things. And then
and then we got a call from my friends and
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met Terriable. We got these doggy these doggy treats. Would
you do that for a laugh? For us and for
a laugh. So you know, I'm just again, I'm just
doing it for our entertainment and it's it's the hilarious.
But he gets more hits than me. He gets more
likes to night, you know, he said. Lindsey said, oh
fifty thou people have just looked at that blooming video.
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Oh I've done and every inter so hey, that's a
good point. So I've now done. I think I've done
four interviews now and everybody's talked about Saxon. It's great.
The lady opened with she coached this high. I love sex.
So I did the interview, started in sex and finished
with section that was that was for sports. That was
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talk sport in bloom in England or whatever. It's five
five Live. They start with satin. You got to start
with we love your dog, and then we got in
the end with hey, this is ridiculous. He's gonna be
hopefully it's more famous than me. Good. Yeah, it's very
weird right now with the dogs. When, at least here
in l A, when you go out for a walk
and you wear a mask, you realize how much they
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feed off of humans smiling at them. So when you
look at them with a mask, they think you're They
give you this horrible look and you realize, yeah, yeah,
I look like I'm gonna hurt them. It's it's bizarre. Anyway,
I gotta take a quick break here on the Shack
Show and then we're gonna talk a couple of golf topics.
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So did you watch any of the I know you're not.
You're not a huge watcher of of old year old
golf tournaments even right, it's kind of awkward, like a
writer reading there the writing or a musician listening to
their work. Did you did you watch much of the
recent Masters? Replace it's funny. I did. It's um because
obviously we were talking all about um thirty years ago, UM,
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you know, defending and that was one the Masters, then
the opening thirty years. I guess we wanted to celebrate
that somehow this year. And so yeah, I was doing
then I was doing an interview and uh, because they're saying,
well you hit that tour and into the Sunday and
I was, I don't remember that. I honestly don't remember what.
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So I thought, so we have we do have another idea.
We we wanted to put through Zoom or some way
we might put put the nineties Masters up and then
have any sooners than my Candy and Sweden on Zoom
and then me and then and watch the rerun yes, uh,
and then so we can react to So I did say, oh,
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let's not watch it because it would be more fun
to get a very first reaction like, oh, I don't
remember that, right, So I'm sure I can forget it
very quickly in two weeks and so when we do
it again, Um, yeah, but I did watch. I did
watch some bits and you know, the highlights of especially
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the playoffs that sort of thing. Yeah, it was really interesting.
Hearing a tiger took him a while as he but
as he warmed up watching his last year from last year,
some of the things that started coming out because it's
just a different medium, so nobody's really used to it.
And early on he was Jim was asking the right questions.
But then as and of course as the back nine comes,
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some things get more interesting than what But it was
really fascinating. So I wish we you watch that and
you think and then you think of your winds and
and absolutely and I got to watch with you. And
it's never aired, hope hopefully someday Golf Channel put it on.
But watching you just watch your sequence of ninety six
on thirteen with and talking to Ken Venturi, and that
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was so much. That was so fun to listen to.
Because of rights reasons, we couldn't include it in the piece,
but but it's I think people golf more than any sport.
On the replays, getting to hear the your thinking or
what was going through your mind or your reactions really interesting.
So yeah, what were they going to do that? We
we we are planning, Um, we were even thinking of
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a Fanny, you know, Fanny Citizen and I going to St.
Andrew's and reliving some of because we've got looks, we've
got some very cool technology we're working on. Well, oh yeah,
so that you know, we can only see we can
take you to finally got a yattage book, which is great,
and then we can obviously, um, go to the exact
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spot where we hit some great shots that I can
we can see it again from that level. And obviously
we've got drones now so we can see it from
another angle and all this sort of thing. So yeah,
there's that's that's all part of the the show ideas
that Wow, that would be a really great content to
go and do that talk talk through Augusta and then
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maybe go and play some holes at St. Andrew's. Um
would be very cool, that, would you know? I thought
that would be a couple of good shows there thinking
about your there's been a couple of podcasts lately are
really fun listening to people a younger group admiring your
career and especially a tenure run you had in the
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majors after you had had reshaped your game. Um and
and and it's it's it's one. It's quickly how quickly
people forget you realize that? But also, um, I don't
know how much people realize the risk you took in
reshaping your game. Do you look at that now and
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then look at the way the game is played today?
And ever wonder what you would do now with your game?
Would you? Would you be all about power instead of
that precision player you be? You became from being somebody
who who hit it pretty long, but then you went
about it to be more accurate. Yeah, I wanted it
just I wanted the bull fly and the consistency. And
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then you end up with a real, real control. I mean,
to be able to help faith fades and drawers just
down to a couple of yards. Well, and sometimes it's
really good. It might be Yeah I could it the
one yard faith at times. You know, I could probably
not with every club, but certainly the short ending. That's
what you felt like you were able to do. And yeah,
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if you were doing a rebuild now, Um yeah, it's
it's a completely different game, of course, it really is.
We were you know, it was all about tempo, isn't it? Tempo? Obviously,
ball strike and flight, all those sort of things, but
it was all the simple man. You look at the
temper they put up the tempo at Bryson um the
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other day from actually only for about two years ago
at CAPEA. I saw that on Twitter. And then you've
got him now just hurtling trying to get two hundred
and five miles and now with a baby bump, sorry,
with a baby bump. He's a little he's large, he's
gotten said, I said that joke, and they got after
three months, how big is Bryson? Because that means he's
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in the gym. He's gonna be he's going to be
a monster. We went, you know, seriously, I'm hoping again,
I'm hoping to do a show with him, because boy,
he's an interesting isn't so the same thing? Um? Yeah,
I mean he is, he's completely but the trend of
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we're going from mega length. I've just the interesting thing
is that he hasn't one since he um, you know,
he was he was the hottest goal from the planet.
We won't got five times, yeah, which but that's now
the end of so that the last one was the
beginning of the beginning of nineteen or eighteen. Okay, you
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got one in beginning of nineteen. So then I saw
him augustin and now he's completely changed his clubs. So
he's gone from a hundred and twenty grand grip down
to a sixty grand grip. So that's huge, you know,
the weight balance, and that means he's got to reconfigurate
test all the shelves, come up with different shops, so
he's constantly tested. That I believe did mess him up
for a little while. You know, he put in an
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awful lot of work. I mean, fourteen out days are
just normal. You know. They can't get him up off
the bloody red you know. So but you never changed
your body. We didn't know, no, he said, if you're
going back to me, the knowledge we had was minuscule
to what we have now. So you know, mine was
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the lactual way you you Hogan it young. It was
in the dirt. So it was we just went off
and hit golf balls and and doing it mid season.
You know, when you look back in hindsight doing it.
It all started in May of eight five. Um, you know,
I was at Millfield Village and I just missed the
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cut and I think I double bog in the twelve
hold twice. Couldn't. I couldn't hit the bloody green and
I David was there. I said, oh, I'm ready to
get started. So you know, in hindsight, that was stupid
because we were now learning a back swing, a new
back swinging with an old follow through. So of course
my game just went off into the dumps. And I've
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been I was, so this is eighty three. I was
European number one. So I name get hammered by the
media and everybody in my contract. You know, my contracts
all disappeared apart from good old Pringle. Pringle stuck with
me and um and you know it was just well
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it was crazy. So all I was doing is hitting,
trying to go in play. So I'd go and practice
all day when I was at home, and I I remember
going used to I think of something and going down
to the range. Just go down, like five or six times,
go down to the range, took the balls out, hit them,
come back, think about all that sort of thing. This
went on and on, and then you go off to
a torment and you're four over off the nine grade,
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you know, mr, you know, and then you come back
and I'll do it again and again and again and again.
Um so mate, And we didn't have any of this knowledge.
And then then in the winter that was through the summer,
through the city, and then in the winter I remember,
you know, I'd fly to Florida and go down to
Uh David who was down at green Leaf, you know,
in septem that stinking hot weather and peat balls all
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day until three o'clock an afternoon. My hands wouldn't close,
you know, literally, I couldn't close my hands. And then
I go off and have a swim, um because like
an India, I'm back out at six o'clock to hit
a few more. Um So, you know I did that
for Hey, how can you do that for two years?
I mean, that's what's ridiculous. And then the spring of
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seven again I've gone through. At the end of eighty six,
I had to finish. I had to finish second at
Disney to keep my card. And guess where I finished.
I finished second and to keep my card. And you
know in seven I wasn't in the master's. I then
came over and practiced, and I remember going through Atlanta
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Airport to pick up my wife Jill Lennon and the
golfers and the press, returning left and taking the flight
to Augusta, and I was turning round go to Hattiesburg.
And so that was a real that was a gut
check whatever they called, you know, or nine a knife.
So I went up to Hannisburg and I shot four
sixty sevens and finished second, and um, and that was
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when it it. And then I can't but that's two years.
You couldn't do that now, so not on line that
that was idiotic. So now if you if it was,
if I said somebody said I got to change my
game mid season, I said, I would say, well, disappear
if you're gonna, if you exempt, if you really got
to do it, now, just disappear, go off somewhere for
two months and take your sports psychologist to clear a brain.
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Now you need your physical guy to train, union needers
physio therapist to work, keep your muscles in good check.
You could if you're going to do it. What about
taking a chef for your diet and everything. And then
I think you could do. And of course you've got
all these fancies, um ball monitors, launch monitors now, so
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you can you get instant feedback which we didn't have.
Mine was world. You know, I've hit a thousand balls
of David going yeah, that's that's good, that's coming, that's
coming and here and you're like, well, um now as
you know. But with a launch monitor and fantastic you
hit one ball, you've got instant feed back, so you
can translate a thought and a feeling to factual information.
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So I would yeah, to do it. Now, it's all
about timing. If you had to do it, disappear or
can you hang on a weight to the end of
the season and then then again disappear go somewhere nice,
rather go WHI you'll Thailand or whatever, make camp and
and get on with it. Um. But to do it
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while playing tournament golf was really really dangerous. I mean,
I I'm amazed that, you know, I kept my determination
through all that because even family, family was saying, you know,
do you think you should consider I said, you're my
father in law actually said do you think you should
you should consider getting a club professional's job. So that
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was that was that was That was big help. That
was yeah, that was negativity for solid fire. So so
I was like, well, no, I could see the like ring.
That line wasn't even right to say seeing the light
of the channel. You just you believe that what you
were doing and doing and doing and when then find
it clicked. And but again it could have even on
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the coach, even what I know about the golf swing
now and you know, bought even ball flight laws and
what have you, what we could have changed even learning
that way as well. We were learning positions where you know,
I teach myself from bull flight, good old ball. I
made the golf ball do something. So what have I
physically got to do physically and technically got to do
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to make that golf ball do what I wanted to do.
And that's the that's how I learned. Now you never
move the ball a lot one way or another, right
you You you're building was more about no, no, no,
I'm I'm I. I made the ball. Just call it
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tipping rather than curving. You know you. Um, I had
my shots that had a little bit of a fade
and a little bit of a drawer, and then I
had a bigger fade which is my well, my aunt,
it was. The way I call it now is teach
yourself you know where to hit the ball rather than
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where not where you don't want the ball to go.
So people say, you know, I don't want it to
go left. Okay, So what do you see when you
say I don't want it to go left. I'm looking
out the window and my eyes go to the left
hand side of the window. But if you say I
want but the ponds on the left, because you're saying
I don't want it to go left, So I would
now say, make the ball go to the right, and
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my eyes automatically go to the right hand side of
the window here. So I'm I would have thought. I
teach myself that way now, and I try to teach
my kids and my foulders and said, made the ball
go where you want it to go, rather than saying
I don't want to slice it and I don't want
to hook it, which means the opposite. I wanted to
go down the right side of the fip. So how
do you made this ball fly down the right hand
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side of the fairway? High or low? And that's what
I got really good at I had with as I
probably heard me describe. I had one backswing really and
four different followed through is and I had a high
fade and the low fade, and the hyd draw and
the load draw. And yeah, when I got really good,
if I'm moving against the wind, which is what you
really were doing, it looked like I was hitting the
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golf fall straight. But I was always working. You know.
It's slightly fading and slightly drawing, and I really believed
in that made the ball move. I don't believe in
the straight shot. That's I mean, what is straight I'll
give you. I'll give you straight is one yard left
or right, And that's that's pretty darn difficult to guarantee.
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But if you said to me, fade it, um, you
know I can fade it. And if I get really good,
my fake got down to one and two yards, you know.
So would you like to see the modern ball move
a little bit more, not not as the players move it,
but but because of aerodynamics that it will may be
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more shapable or move more on bub Bubba will argue that, yeah,
he's one. Yeah, it is shape, it is shapable, But
we've worked so hard on trying to find this. Um.
If you do exactly do some Seriously, Bubba is quite unique.
You can do some really exaggerated things, which is pretty rarely.
It's amazing to watch in person. It's amazing how many
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guys can have driver, you know, five degrees on the
descent and then fight five and then he can do
five degrees on the up. That is pretty amazing. That
is that really is amazing. No, I you know, I was,
I was tweating the other day. I'm a big Hey,
the ballmark is huge. I mean it's that's serious money. Um.
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But I and everybody and we quite and we've been
now been watching golfers get longer and longer, and that's
that's television. You know, guys stand up. Rory HiT's at
three fifty down a hole. Um, we're kind of into that,
you know. Um, there's always going to be even if
you throttled them back to three hundred. Sure, then you've
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also throttled back the guys who can do eighty down
to fifty. You know. So there's there's that side to it. Um.
I would like it to be more difficult, I e.
The quality of the strike. You know, I tweeted the
other day about you know, back in for Simon Days
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and um blatta ball. There was only a handful of
really great drivers. You know, obviously Greg was great, and
Jack and obviously Trevina was great for his way and
Watson and even Savvy was a great driver. I know
it went sideways at times, but he did it. You
know it was but but you can name them. It
was only a dozen a dozen matters. And then now
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best examine, there's only a dozen poor drivers. Now, yeah,
there's only a few that everybody else can get it.
I hate to think of the percentage you can get
it three hundred through the air, and then there's obviously
three there's the three twenty club, there's club, and then
and then average. Everybody says he I'm about So that
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is what that is thanks to the okay, the brilliant
technology of a driver face Matt marrying it with the
perfect shaft and obviously optimizing your spin and launch obviously
through your golf ball. So if we if we brought
the size of the face down, so it was seriously,
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you know, there were some serious mishits. We brought back
the misshit. So the sweet sweet spot for the pro
is a real sweet spot, not the sweet face. That's
what it is now. It's a whole blooming thing. So
I thought that would be great to bring back the
um and a little bit like the three with all
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the other the other simplest way saying ingest at times, Well,
if we banned tea pex, if they went and played
a tournament, there no tea pegs, right, well, the guys
would have to alter their drive and they'd say all right,
and you actually would just allowed to place it on
the tea on the grass. Now they wouldn't be using
six degrees. They would say, I don't need nine. I
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need nine, and I need ten and I need one's
going to at least get airborne a bit, and I
gotta have a bit of give in the face. And
you know that would that would seriously change. It's sure
they can get three, would because it's designed, but that
might be your optimum. That actually would be your optimum.
Your three would off the ground as just seeing Rory's numbers,
you know, still a two eighty five through the air,
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but they wouldn't. It would be a real tough hit
to get a driver uh off the deck, you know.
So that's that's what I think we've got to get
back to, is that it's a real quality of strike
and and that would bring in you know, they're a
little bit more inconsistency that and you know, and I
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love the way they set up Royal Melbourne. You know
last year think guy's really got a um, well, some
was somewhere. It was a real jolt. It's quite fantastic
if you hit a two iron off the tee and
it's in the wrong position that you can't get your
wedge to stop on the green. So you know that,
I think it's fantastic we can and the guys loved it,
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and the better players actually love it. Look how Tiger
absolutely loved that because it's like, Okay, it's not just
smash it down there and don't find it and then
work it out. It was like, hey, there really is
important of being left or right of center because I cannot,
I just cannot get to this flag. That's the that's
the beauty and the brilliance of room courses like that
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room and obviously when they're rock hard, yeah, that's the
other thing. And it's um so I'd love that back.
I mean, I don't mind them in that miles down there,
but it's it's amazing how they can in the right
ruff and the flags on the right and they still
hit them and they and it's just not that's just
not punished enough, you know. That's that's the thing. And
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the bottom line is if if the green was a
little firmer, you know you, if the greens had a
bit more bounce in them, then you would be absolutely screwed.
If you're in the right off to a right pin,
even with no bunker in the way or anything in
the way, you would not be able to seriously great
shot to get it inside fift feet. So um, little
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things like that we can if we want it, you know,
some places sometimes obviously we can't. We can't make it
too difficult. We don't want it to be level part,
you know, because everybody gets brought it called that boring golf,
even though it can be fascinating to us. Um, And
we don't want twenty four under every week. It wasn't
just a pudding country. So we've got to find the
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right balance. But I would have thought if you if
you've got control of the weather, you could you could
get pretty close to that. Uh. And having pure sand
would be great, which uh reminds me of something else.
I wanted to ask you about I'm gonna take another
quick break here on the Shock Show and then I'm
gonna ask you about Bartra. I believe I pronounced it correctly,
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all right. So I watched the scratch video, um of you.
It was the first time you've been on this site.
It's off the coast of the west coast of Ireland
in seven years. I think it's it said, what what
what tell us about this incredible looking property? Does it
have does it have the sand to create the firm
and fast golf that we want? Oh well, it's it's
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a it's a it's a nightmare project to me to
the great ones always are. Yeah. So we first went,
we first were given photos, given photographs of that. Um,
hang on, just get this right. My son was eight,
it's thirty one. Now you're doing the mass. We went,
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we went, We went on the island where Matthew was eight.
Somebody sending, somebody send us some photographs and and when
you went to look to this, it's the most amazing
piece of land because basically it's a it's a stripper
land starting wide at the at the east end and
about five yards wide, and then it literally goes to
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a point like a long skinny triangle goes to literally
point of that thirty yards white, slowly getting more and
more and narrow, and it's got dew and and all
sorts of different mixture of June's, even the low ones
that you think look lower, look nothing. When you get
down there there's still you know, six eight was six
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ten fifteen ft high. And then we got the other
end when we go crazy up to eight ft high
Junes and then and then then the bottom and it's
kind of unusable because it's just really just crazy, um
too severe, you mean, just two set to s. So
you know, we it's a really and this this would
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this would be a two hour show if I told
you so. The bottom line, it took it. It took
twelve years before we could purchase it because of it
because people fighting over who owned it. It's a dispute
who owned it. Then we got then we got on
board with my friends, very good friends is in the
property business, and but that we thought it would be
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smart to help him to have two Irish partners, and
that went wrong from day one, so so that didn't
that's nothing worked at all. So it's kind of just
sat there it's the simplest way of saying. It's just
sat there. And then so we went I've been telling
friends about this and then they said, well, let's go
and see it. And so we're going to give it
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one more go to try and have a meeting because
you know, some people say it's um, you know, protected
and what have you, and then some parts of it are.
You know, we've come to the conclusion now that if
there is the east end is on is On Rock,
so we are. And it used to be amongst monastery
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there and so there's the walled gardens and all sorts
of things, and then there was an eighteenth century house
manor house. Um. So in some way that we've been
given some kind of some kind of permissions and what
we can guide and with guidance other than permissions, guidance
and what we could do at that end of the island.
So we're going to really go back and help, you know,
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sometime in the summer, have a really good meeting and
trying to pursue, you know, what is possible. If they
say yes, this is possible, great, If they say no,
we're gonna just forget it. And so, because you know
it's I dream up. It could have been. It could
have been the the ultimate eighteen whole Golf Links course,
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because it's nine out and nine back, absolutely genuine. You
go out, you go out to the west. You've got
the sun behind you when you start in the morning,
and then you've got the sun behind you when you
come back on the back. Now to how unbelievable perfect
is that? And and then I said, well, why don't
we build this thing by hand? That's really build this
by hand? And I said, wouldn't it be great if
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we could put a couple of mobile homes on on
there and we invite mates to say, hey, come from
however long you want. And here's the deal. We've got
to We've got to the phone stay at the door,
you check in, you know, check in with the world maybe,
but you leave your phones at the door, and you
put your jeans on, and we go out there and
we give you all the rap and everything. We say, right,
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here's the first tea, flatten it and we walk and
we walk and we said, well, this is going to
be the fairway, and we or whatever, we push some
kind of gang mowers down there and and say, well,
that looks great for a bunk, here's the green, right,
clean it up. And I thought that would be quite
a project if we it would been perfect now because
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everybody we've got time. We could have said, yeah, i've
got a month to do nothing, I'll go and build
a golf course. So um, yeah, so that's that. I've
got all sorts of different visions. But it's quite amazing,
of course, the light and if there's three thousand yards
of beach there this beautiful golden sand, and and um,
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all sorts of ideas, but gosh, who knows if it
will ever ever come off? And now with what has
happened in the world, and this is not just related
to this project, but any any anything in golf, have
you thought a little bit about what will change or
what should change coming out of this? Um this and
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I and I've said it many times on a few
different shows, that it's an opportunity and I hate the world,
but the reality is is this there's a chance to
reset some things or because I feel like some things
that were happening before this, trends will now be expedited.
Have you given any thought to the game at large
about what what will happen? Yeah, I I agree with you.
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I think, I think the world al really will have
a this. This is significant enough. The whole planet is
going to have to react to this. So so for
us golfers, you know, if we um, you know, we
we fought for a while because we we do have
an opportunity to continue playing our game. And you know,
we're finally getting golf courses reopened. And what I thought,
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I personally thought it was ridiculous to shut a golf
course if you wanted to, if you wanted to go
and play as a one boy, if they want to
be really strict, you know, you don't have to change
your shoes anymore. You bowl up, take your clubs out
of your car, you go to the first team, and
you go and play. And easy. We could easily have
done that. We didn't have to go into lockdown on
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a golf course. I personally think, um, And now we're
coming back, we can demonstrate our game is really good
for us to get back out there and play. And
who knows what clubs might do to entice people, because
people might say, hey, I want to give this goal
for goal and I don't know anything about it, and
it's a great outdoor sport and so I think clubs.
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You know, I've been suggesting to clubs. You know, I
love pat threes, you know part three courses and that
because as you know, we can ever make nine holes
ridiculously easy, or you could play nine whole pat three
course where you would not break part you know, it
could be it could be that you take a party,
you're taking the nine hardest part threes across the world.
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You know your your fourth riviera. You can copy a
few of those, or you do you you do your
own interpretation of a few great great pat threes. Homish
you it would be a lifetime achievement. Is shoot one
under anyway, So we know that we know the differences,
so we can it's super enjoyable, super fun, and we
can make it super challenging just because by saying, oh,
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nine whole path three, of course people get output. That
doesn't mean anything. Well, we know as golfers it could
be a fantastic experience. So I'm I'm inviting golf puffs
to look at their layouts and say, well, why don't
we have a little short course. What happens if we
put a tea halfway down the first we wandered down,
we start from there and instead of going to the
second Oh there, we'll just build a tea here and
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go to the or that's the sixth green over there.
That's a lovely little shot over the woods. You know,
something different across the corner of the pond, going the
going the other way. All that works. It's twenty yards.
Or where are we now? We're now on the side
of the six Let's have a look. Oh actually we
can actually go back to the fourth green. Now we
could go across get me so people could they could
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look just with a little bit of work. And to
be honest, you don't even have to build tease. Get
some nine mats, go and get nine good quality mats
and just plumb and just plum. Come down there and
just do it for fun and going and see what
you create. Yeah, um, you know, I now design. I
gave my guys brief a long time ago to build
Part three courses that are reversible things like that, so
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you can and that becomes a real different challenge as well. Um,
was there a Part three Part three course in your life?
At some point that that? Because I'm passionate about Part
three's two and I'm going to do a podcast. I've
been asking everybody was there one in particular? No, I've
never played a here we are, I've never I'm talking
all about this and I've never come to a true
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part or have I Did you play a Turnbury? Did
you ever play that one below the hotel? Yeah? We
play that, that that little one. Okay, So yeah, and
there's and there's a yes, and there's part three? Is
that Glennie you have Augusta? I believe too. Oh of course,
excuse me. Yeah that well that's the mat Yeah, you're right,
that's the main one. You're resting. But no, I know
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what you mean. You haven't you haven't just stopped one
day driving and said, hey, it's gonna play the part
three course in the neighborhood. Now, Yeah, but I understand.
So yeah, those ones are right under around those Yeah
they could be there. Um, but I agree. I mean,
you know, we've got to keep hopefully we can campaign
this because you know, you know, we get projects that resorts,
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hotels and say we'd like golf, and they say, well
we want and they get stuck and we want Sempty
two holes champion of course in your life and we
know it's and we scream and say look we could
actually build you some really fun things. Um that will
be and I think people might start thinking that, you know,
because they want family and family entertainment, the time factor it,
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you know, the money there everything up keep. Yeah, it's
been happening already, Bandon Dunes, Pinehurst, all these places. Clubs
are now rethinking absolutely well, but what doesn't sending A
golf club may have a most wonderful little what doesn't
have to be could be six nine twelve holes. Path
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is where you go and play the course and you
hop around holes. And I would have thought if they
sat and looked at their maps and so we could
go there, there, there, there there and go, well, how
about that for loop? We do that every Sunday for
a laugh, for a couple of hours. We open it
up one morning a week and try it and see
what people think. Yeah, I can't see any harm in
that to to introduce new people to the game and
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and be hey, it might be nice for the members
to do something different, and you never know what you
might create. I think it's a it's of course we
played the one that's the only one that's really purpose
Plat from Augusta, the the one in best Pro shop. Yeah,
that one. That's yeah. Now, I think to your point though,
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it's one of those things of courses. You know, everybody's
so caught up in eighteen holes and more and more
than to set up. You know, George Thomas routed his
courses to have loops of holes, more public courses, more
courses need to say, hey today, we're just playing six
holes after two o'clock and it's it's twenty dollars, and
be more flexible because the eighteen whole thing is just
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I mean, if you started the game from scratch, it
would be pressed. We could be twelve holes. I think, well, yeah,
look look at that. Look at that opens with twelve holes.
I mean, so it's you know, and we've got I mean,
I know the RNA would back it because they will
come up, you know, play nine initiatives. But I love it.
As you get older, you know, we we go down
and I'll love to hit boars warm up properly, and
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we're saying we're go and play nine because the time factory,
especially if you've got three dogs waiting for you at home. Saxon, Yeah,
the we gotta so the dogs can't go with you
when you play golf there. We've never tried. No, we
were we only we we took them when we go
to Montana, when we go up to the Wilderness Club,
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because obviously I'm way more involved with the club, so
we let the dogs come out. They didn't. They didn't
actually come. I don't think we came on the course
where we played. They were probably too young. Thank them
to Sunningdale. Well, yeah, yeah, it's a bit of a
They love their dogs, yeah, exactly, their discipline now they
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come back there. Oh you're more worried about that. I'm
speaking more to the culture of which places allow dogs
and which stone in the UK get they get that right.
We don't here. We act like they're gonna go and
rip up all the greens, which they're not. Yeah, I
think I think dogs are smart enough to be disciplined
to be you know, they love it. I mean I
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remember the great stories about James Hunt, you know, the
racing driver who used to play and he had a
dog and the dog was Smarck. He'd go to the tea,
yet he'd run down fifty yards down the fairway and
he knew and he'd actually watched the ball flight go
when they hit. He'd watched the bull fly, and he
knew where the three balls had gone, and he'd go
and you'd go off and find the balls and sit
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by his names his ball, and he would he played
the gold with like that, and he knew he was disciplined,
and I thought, wow, I would love to have a
dog like that. That might three two loopy, you know, crazy,
so but it could be disciplined. They could be disciplined.
I think they probably quite enjoyed that so well. So
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we ended the show talking about Saxon. So I've done
it again. Yeah, yeah, he Saxon rules right now. He's
even need the Saxons. So we're gon we're gonna do
one with cheese. We're gonna do one with cheese is next?
We thought we did get some international cheese and do
a cheese the next one. That's that's that's next on
the menu of morning snacks with me and Saxon. Thank
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you next so much. Sure. I hope you enjoyed that
discussion with sir Nick. He is always interesting and I'm
glad to hear he's constantly thinking about different things as
we try to get through this bizarre time time again.
His show is Days and Nights a premiers Monday, April
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on the CBS Sports Network, and I will link all
sorts of good stuff in the show, including that fun
video with Sax and his dog, and I'll see what
else I can dig up on. So Nick, there's some
really interesting links that might give you a little fun
distraction comment content excuse me. I hope you enjoyed that discussion,
though he also gave me some wonderful stuff after the
(52:26):
show about getting started in the game, which we're getting
close now. Every guest I've asked about how they got started,
and I've asked about Part three courses. What you already
heard the Part three course, but we'll probably put it
in that show again too. But I love hearing these
different ways people got started, and Nick really went deep
on that was very fascinating because he's a late starter,
and it will be comforting to those parents out there
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who I think you must start the game by the
age of ten or else you have no chance in life.
As always, I'd like to thank the show's producer, Temper Rotica,
for piecing together these recordings that I do. And just
to reminded that The Shack Show is a production of
I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio,
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The Shack Show is a production of I Heart Radio.
I doubt Sir Nick Faldo needs any introduction, but I
will remind you that he won forty one times around
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the world, six major championships. Thirty years ago, he won
the Masters for the second straight year and the Open
Championship at the Old Course. He's been with CBS since
two thousand and six as their lead analyst. He had
nineteen top five and major championships here in twenty five
Ryder Cup points. This is for the kids out there,
just reminding you that it was an incredible career. Sometimes,
(00:42):
as somebody noted yesterday when I told him I was
interviewing Sir Nick, that we maybe forget how good some
of these analysts are. It's hard for them to discuss
themselves without people getting upset with them. But so Nick
never has a shortage of thoughts and eloquent interesting ideas,
and I wanted to cover a wide array of things
(01:03):
with him. He has a new show coming out Monday.
I'll have show notes um on my website. Jeff Shackle
for dot Com. It's a lifestyle travel show, which I
oddly thought would be very uncomfortable to watch in these times,
but it's kind of comforting and it reminds you of
some things we get into that. He's an ambassador for
his Inspirado, so travel is always on his mind. And
(01:25):
we went pretty deep with the golf swing, the transformation
of a swing, and a lot of other fun topics.
So here is my chat with sir Nick Faldo. You're
a person who who likes to travel. You live out
of a of a of a suitcase. How are you
dealing with this time? Yeah, it's funny as you say that,
(01:46):
because you know, since I've been a on tour and
I went out to our eighteen uh you know, this
is the longest time I've ever spent in my house,
oh a house, Um, in my whole life. And I
think my record in one spot was five weeks. And
I know that was sixteen or years ago when when
(02:06):
Emma was born, we went to Thailand and you know,
made camp for a winter five weeks in our house
and stayed in one spot and so this is my
my world record now. So I think we were at
actually week six here. Um, you know, I have we
have a place at Pontrovigia Beach, so we came in
(02:27):
for the players and if we've sat tight, so we
thought we might as well, you know when you watched
and even this morning, you know, I said to lindsay,
we wait, we but I just hunkered down because it's
this thing is still around. Um. I don't think people
taking it, you know, I don't think enough people are
(02:48):
taking it really seriously, really disciplined about um, you know,
just staying in your own little world. Um, because uh,
you know, we keep if we keep spreading it, we
won't be back watching golf so sports, you know, I
(03:09):
think that's I wanted to send a message to all
those demonstrators and say, we'll get who are you going
to complain to when there's no sport on this summer
or or fall? Yeah, then then who you're going to
scream out? Because you know it might be because if
we're not disciplined enough to to really get a grip
on this. I agreed, yeah, that we we need to
(03:29):
have more people know that football seasons in jeopardy in
our country, and then that would probably that would be
that might be yeah, yeah, because yeah, everything sounds so
far away, isn't it, Because you know when we you know,
here we are, when we were in early eight point
and then we got news that you know, we're going
to try and go back to work in June, and
you think, well, that's we're only in Actually were in
(03:52):
Were we still in March? Then? I guess we were
still in March when those decisions, when you think April may,
my goodness, a long time. It's a long time away. Anyway.
What are you missing most about the road? Um? Well, yeah,
I mean it's I think we should suddenly we're always
in such a routine and you're always doing things, um
(04:17):
and we and so that's really what's completely stopped. It's
suddenly like you haven't you haven't got a routine each day.
You know, you can get very lax. We can. So
we've actually trying to make some rules that you know,
you've got to get up and jump around and if
you if you skip, if we skip, do my exercises
in the morning. Then the afternoon I get very I'm
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not too sure. I want to, you know, get a
sweat up. So I like to get up and do things.
And then so even that takes everything, takes discipline, doesn't
you gotta? And I think I mean we've even when
we're watching all these shows and even meditation is a
discipline to sit and relax. And we were talking about
this last night, Lindsay and es Can we got to
(05:00):
do that. We wrote a big memo stuck under the
clock and said meditate. So we just did it this morning.
So because it's so good for you. Um, it's repairs
all sorts of stuff and re reconnects you and and
just switching off. It's actually forcedness have a bit of
quiet time, silence times to ourselves, which is probably a
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good thing. We charge the batteries. When I watched your
new show that's debuting on Monday night, Um, like a
lot of shows, when you watch right now, you see things. Um,
some things make you uncomfortable. Some things make you say,
well that that's not gonna ever happen again. Whatever it
is a bunch of people blowing out a birthday candle
or something, and um, but I was struck because I
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feared watching your show, which is a lifestyle travel show.
I think, if I'm summing it up correctly, it actually
made me think, oh, this is gonna make us watching
this not uncomfortable, but you'll actually be more appreciative of
things we've currently lost in the In the first world,
the people who really are not suffering during this? Um
(06:10):
is that your sense of that? Did you worry now
with the show debuting, when it's debuting in the middle
of this, that there might be a misunderstanding or or
it's just poor timing, But it turns out it's it's
kind of comforting and a nice yeah, well we are,
we are, we are, we are going to clarify that. Yeah,
this was all shot pretty I haven't been sneaking out
(06:31):
and shouting stuff and you know, yeah, this this was
a combination of you know, we've I've had been doing
this for when do we really start rent this up?
Six eight months ago or more, we started dreaming up
this idea. What we wanted, you know, an opportunity to
create something like this because you know, this is my
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this is my life now the television and content is king,
and we thought, well, why don't we start. It's even
before that we started, we started interviewing this early last year.
I think, yeah, I think we've probably been doing this
for a full year at least, trying to you know,
now we've we've got to put it together and now
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we're going to put four shows out while there's some
golf going on and we'll have a little breather and
get ready hopefully to put more at the end of
the season. And you know, I quite enjoy it because it's, um,
it's good for me. I I did, as were saying,
We did enjoy traveling and enjoy going to different places.
And then it's you know, and I enjoy the entertainment
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of entertaining myself and my fans. I mean, it's quite uh.
And I thought, well, everybody's it's there's not really a
case of joining it. And I think I just generally thought, well,
why not show people will get up to because a
lot of people are generally interested and they go, wow,
that's this is what our lives like. It's either I
(07:57):
have their dreaming we're living in palaces, or you know,
and they're going to get a nasty shot or they
whatever this whatever the spectrum. And I thought, well, it's
just good simple entertainment. I'm I'm a huge believer in um,
you know, looking after ourselves health wise, which means you know,
which is mind you know, doing different things. That's fitness
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for your body, that's obviously foods, a bit of fun
with drink and what have you. Um, you know, in
the last couple of years, I've been starting to meet
some very different people, fascinating people in their fields, and
we thought, well, hey, why not just show this is
kind of like the Yes, it is part of the trend,
but I, um, who knows where it may go. I mean,
(08:43):
I quite um. You know, I used to love watching
some of our old shows. Back in the long time ago.
We had a great chef called Keith Floyd and and
he used to just go somewhere with his with his
little cooking gas and you'd be on a harbor and say,
well that the squid's just coming fresh, and you need
a bit of this, and and then it and his
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cameraman was John, so let's and he teach it. John,
you do a close up while I have a slurp,
and you have a bottle of wine and need drink
as and then this is right, let's let's carry on.
So it was that stunt, and I think I want
to bring a bit of humor to it. Um, if
all those things try to hate it's as I said,
it's it's it's a bit of homeless entertainment. I hope
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it is. And it doesn't you don't sit there and
watch and and have anything but a good feeling. You
don't feel uncomfortable either about how life was before. It
makes you, at least for me, kind of aspirational about
when some form of normalcy returns that will be a
little more appreciative of maybe things that we had um
(09:48):
not been taking for granted, well we really will. It
is this this really good? You know. Unfortunately after nine
eleven had changed you know, the security world, and this
will change out hygiene world, and obviously peop will change
the business world significantly, and hopefully we'll change the hygiene
well for the better because you know, we go through
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airports and they are filthy. I mean they really are, right,
it's you know, and you start and if you now realize, right,
we've got to everything has got to be better, better
quality of everything, and this sort of So there's that
side in the business side. My goodness, Look how it's changed.
I've got obviously friends in a lot of businesses and
(10:28):
you know, now the very simple thing that companies now
realized that where so many people can work from home
and they can still operate. So why have I got
that billion dollar building in the middle of a city.
I mean, it's going to be that you know, the
commercial real estate is going to be very interesting that
side of things. And then I was gonna then I
was gonna say, and then were then starting to look
at our own lives, okay, which is, you know, what
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do I really need for my life? What's the really
important things in my life? Well, you know, sure, all
the fast cars are stuck in the blooming garage, they're
not being even. And you know, it's sure to have
your luck, It's sure, it's great to have all your
little luxurious but when you really come down to what
actually what you really need in a day to operate,
and it's genuinely you've got to just keep your mind
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active doing some interesting things. I think that's important. To
keep your body active, that's very important. And obviously your
relationship with your partners and friends it is very important.
I think the funniest thing is how we all send
these crazy videos. We never did that before. Did you
you've got you've got one a month? Did you I
get six a day of some of these anything silly
(11:35):
funny you know from cats, people doing voiceovers for cats
and dogs, and and have you seen that one when
the ladies rock climbing and the leg falls off. Oh
you've got to think look for you've got to pull
that one out. And it's what it's good old British comedy.
It's just a fantastic line and it's and I'm sure
(11:56):
you've seen Andrew Carter's Yeah, Andrew, that was brilliant. That
was very clever. You know he did that and so
you know, um, you had to do a commentary of
a dog and a But it's that She's probably very
good for us. We're going to get more creative and
you know, who knows what we will dream up and say, hey,
I'm actually really good at doing that, and uh, you
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know that will inspirers to do things from home as well.
And I've got I've still been voicing my show and
I did I did Want in my back garden now
a day while they're building the golf course across the road.
They've got the truck and beep beep, and I've got
to go in between the beep beep and the dumper truck.
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And it would it would have it would have been
so easy because I've done it in you know, I
don't know, thirty minutes. And we sat there for a
freaking two hours to get some space. So he was
getting really and I was trying to do a swing
thing and he's going beep and and I lost the head.
I'm fin and blind. I'm screaming, and this sucking truck
had crossed the way, and I thought, this is really good.
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I've trying to so I've even got my own I've
got my own kid to do some recording. I've actually
got to do a bit more recording. As soon as
we've done this, they want a couple more blinds. So
I got my own little world where it's so funny.
I'm in the bedroom originally with all the pillows because
it sounded good. I sit in the man because when
I get on the bed, the dogs come and sit
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on the bed as well. So now I'll come trying
to record with these these three seventy pound puppies that
you can't push him out the ways that guys get
them out of the room. Do I risk them? They
all look at me and just go silent. So okay,
do I risk doing this? Well, they're in here, and
so that's that's life life of the Fellados. Yeah, you're
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your wine runners. You posted a video of the was
it a med terror? They make? They make a dark food.
Is that right? Well, we did. It was for a
lot because you know Sas Saxon is great, they're great characters.
But he pops up very naughty. We let him. He
put his feet up on the counter of me chack
to him and because he's lovely to his morning chat
sort of thing and you just chat away and and
(14:03):
he's looking what you've got and his over pretending he's
not looking or he looks, so I then, you know,
I do it. We always given them little snacks. We
were very naughty. So then we did it for just
for a laugh. First time, I said, it is morning
snacks with me and Saxon. So we did whatever. And
then we're dreaming up all sorts of things. And then
and then we got a call from my friends and
(14:23):
met Terriable. We got these doggy these doggy treats. Would
you do that for a laugh? For us and for
a laugh. So you know, I'm just again, I'm just
doing it for our entertainment and it's it's the hilarious.
But he gets more hits than me. He gets more
likes to night, you know, he said. Lindsey said, oh
fifty thou people have just looked at that blooming video.
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Oh I've done and every inter so hey, that's a
good point. So I've now done. I think I've done
four interviews now and everybody's talked about Saxon. It's great.
The lady opened with she coached this high. I love sex.
So I did the interview, started in sex and finished
with section that was that was for sports. That was
(15:10):
talk sport in bloom in England or whatever. It's five
five Live. They start with satin. You got to start
with we love your dog, and then we got in
the end with hey, this is ridiculous. He's gonna be
hopefully it's more famous than me. Good. Yeah, it's very
weird right now with the dogs. When, at least here
in l A, when you go out for a walk
and you wear a mask, you realize how much they
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feed off of humans smiling at them. So when you
look at them with a mask, they think you're They
give you this horrible look and you realize, yeah, yeah,
I look like I'm gonna hurt them. It's it's bizarre. Anyway,
I gotta take a quick break here on the Shack
Show and then we're gonna talk a couple of golf topics.
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So did you watch any of the I know you're not.
You're not a huge watcher of of old year old
golf tournaments even right, it's kind of awkward, like a
writer reading there the writing or a musician listening to
their work. Did you did you watch much of the
recent Masters? Replace it's funny. I did. It's um because
obviously we were talking all about um thirty years ago, UM,
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you know, defending and that was one the Masters, then
the opening thirty years. I guess we wanted to celebrate
that somehow this year. And so yeah, I was doing
then I was doing an interview and uh, because they're saying,
well you hit that tour and into the Sunday and
I was, I don't remember that. I honestly don't remember what.
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So I thought, so we have we do have another idea.
We we wanted to put through Zoom or some way
we might put put the nineties Masters up and then
have any sooners than my Candy and Sweden on Zoom
and then me and then and watch the rerun yes, uh,
and then so we can react to So I did say, oh,
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let's not watch it because it would be more fun
to get a very first reaction like, oh, I don't
remember that, right, So I'm sure I can forget it
very quickly in two weeks and so when we do
it again, Um, yeah, but I did watch. I did
watch some bits and you know, the highlights of especially
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the playoffs that sort of thing. Yeah, it was really interesting.
Hearing a tiger took him a while as he but
as he warmed up watching his last year from last year,
some of the things that started coming out because it's
just a different medium, so nobody's really used to it.
And early on he was Jim was asking the right questions.
But then as and of course as the back nine comes,
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some things get more interesting than what But it was
really fascinating. So I wish we you watch that and
you think and then you think of your winds and
and absolutely and I got to watch with you. And
it's never aired, hope hopefully someday Golf Channel put it on.
But watching you just watch your sequence of ninety six
on thirteen with and talking to Ken Venturi, and that
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was so much. That was so fun to listen to.
Because of rights reasons, we couldn't include it in the piece,
but but it's I think people golf more than any sport.
On the replays, getting to hear the your thinking or
what was going through your mind or your reactions really interesting.
So yeah, what were they going to do that? We
we we are planning, Um, we were even thinking of
(18:40):
a Fanny, you know, Fanny Citizen and I going to St.
Andrew's and reliving some of because we've got looks, we've
got some very cool technology we're working on. Well, oh yeah,
so that you know, we can only see we can
take you to finally got a yattage book, which is great,
and then we can obviously, um, go to the exact
(19:02):
spot where we hit some great shots that I can
we can see it again from that level. And obviously
we've got drones now so we can see it from
another angle and all this sort of thing. So yeah,
there's that's that's all part of the the show ideas
that Wow, that would be a really great content to
go and do that talk talk through Augusta and then
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maybe go and play some holes at St. Andrew's. Um
would be very cool, that, would you know? I thought
that would be a couple of good shows there thinking
about your there's been a couple of podcasts lately are
really fun listening to people a younger group admiring your
career and especially a tenure run you had in the
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majors after you had had reshaped your game. Um and
and and it's it's it's one. It's quickly how quickly
people forget you realize that? But also, um, I don't
know how much people realize the risk you took in
reshaping your game. Do you look at that now and
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then look at the way the game is played today?
And ever wonder what you would do now with your game?
Would you? Would you be all about power instead of
that precision player you be? You became from being somebody
who who hit it pretty long, but then you went
about it to be more accurate. Yeah, I wanted it
just I wanted the bull fly and the consistency. And
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then you end up with a real, real control. I mean,
to be able to help faith fades and drawers just
down to a couple of yards. Well, and sometimes it's
really good. It might be Yeah I could it the
one yard faith at times. You know, I could probably
not with every club, but certainly the short ending. That's
what you felt like you were able to do. And yeah,
(20:50):
if you were doing a rebuild now, Um yeah, it's
it's a completely different game, of course, it really is.
We were you know, it was all about tempo, isn't it? Tempo? Obviously,
ball strike and flight, all those sort of things, but
it was all the simple man. You look at the
temper they put up the tempo at Bryson um the
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other day from actually only for about two years ago
at CAPEA. I saw that on Twitter. And then you've
got him now just hurtling trying to get two hundred
and five miles and now with a baby bump, sorry,
with a baby bump. He's a little he's large, he's
gotten said, I said that joke, and they got after
three months, how big is Bryson? Because that means he's
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in the gym. He's gonna be he's going to be
a monster. We went, you know, seriously, I'm hoping again,
I'm hoping to do a show with him, because boy,
he's an interesting isn't so the same thing? Um? Yeah,
I mean he is, he's completely but the trend of
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we're going from mega length. I've just the interesting thing
is that he hasn't one since he um, you know,
he was he was the hottest goal from the planet.
We won't got five times, yeah, which but that's now
the end of so that the last one was the
beginning of the beginning of nineteen or eighteen. Okay, you
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got one in beginning of nineteen. So then I saw
him augustin and now he's completely changed his clubs. So
he's gone from a hundred and twenty grand grip down
to a sixty grand grip. So that's huge, you know,
the weight balance, and that means he's got to reconfigurate
test all the shelves, come up with different shops, so
he's constantly tested. That I believe did mess him up
for a little while. You know, he put in an
(22:38):
awful lot of work. I mean, fourteen out days are
just normal. You know. They can't get him up off
the bloody red you know. So but you never changed
your body. We didn't know, no, he said, if you're
going back to me, the knowledge we had was minuscule
to what we have now. So you know, mine was
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the lactual way you you Hogan it young. It was
in the dirt. So it was we just went off
and hit golf balls and and doing it mid season.
You know, when you look back in hindsight doing it.
It all started in May of eight five. Um, you know,
I was at Millfield Village and I just missed the
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cut and I think I double bog in the twelve
hold twice. Couldn't. I couldn't hit the bloody green and
I David was there. I said, oh, I'm ready to
get started. So you know, in hindsight, that was stupid
because we were now learning a back swing, a new
back swinging with an old follow through. So of course
my game just went off into the dumps. And I've
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been I was, so this is eighty three. I was
European number one. So I name get hammered by the
media and everybody in my contract. You know, my contracts
all disappeared apart from good old Pringle. Pringle stuck with
me and um and you know it was just well
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it was crazy. So all I was doing is hitting,
trying to go in play. So I'd go and practice
all day when I was at home, and I I remember
going used to I think of something and going down
to the range. Just go down, like five or six times,
go down to the range, took the balls out, hit them,
come back, think about all that sort of thing. This
went on and on, and then you go off to
a torment and you're four over off the nine grade,
(24:26):
you know, mr, you know, and then you come back
and I'll do it again and again and again and again.
Um so mate, And we didn't have any of this knowledge.
And then then in the winter that was through the summer,
through the city, and then in the winter I remember,
you know, I'd fly to Florida and go down to
Uh David who was down at green Leaf, you know,
in septem that stinking hot weather and peat balls all
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day until three o'clock an afternoon. My hands wouldn't close,
you know, literally, I couldn't close my hands. And then
I go off and have a swim, um because like
an India, I'm back out at six o'clock to hit
a few more. Um So, you know I did that
for Hey, how can you do that for two years?
I mean, that's what's ridiculous. And then the spring of
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seven again I've gone through. At the end of eighty six,
I had to finish. I had to finish second at
Disney to keep my card. And guess where I finished.
I finished second and to keep my card. And you
know in seven I wasn't in the master's. I then
came over and practiced, and I remember going through Atlanta
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Airport to pick up my wife Jill Lennon and the
golfers and the press, returning left and taking the flight
to Augusta, and I was turning round go to Hattiesburg.
And so that was a real that was a gut
check whatever they called, you know, or nine a knife.
So I went up to Hannisburg and I shot four
sixty sevens and finished second, and um, and that was
(25:59):
when it it. And then I can't but that's two years.
You couldn't do that now, so not on line that
that was idiotic. So now if you if it was,
if I said somebody said I got to change my
game mid season, I said, I would say, well, disappear
if you're gonna, if you exempt, if you really got
to do it, now, just disappear, go off somewhere for
two months and take your sports psychologist to clear a brain.
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Now you need your physical guy to train, union needers
physio therapist to work, keep your muscles in good check.
You could if you're going to do it. What about
taking a chef for your diet and everything. And then
I think you could do. And of course you've got
all these fancies, um ball monitors, launch monitors now, so
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you can you get instant feedback which we didn't have.
Mine was world. You know, I've hit a thousand balls
of David going yeah, that's that's good, that's coming, that's
coming and here and you're like, well, um now as
you know. But with a launch monitor and fantastic you
hit one ball, you've got instant feed back, so you
can translate a thought and a feeling to factual information.
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So I would yeah, to do it. Now, it's all
about timing. If you had to do it, disappear or
can you hang on a weight to the end of
the season and then then again disappear go somewhere nice,
rather go WHI you'll Thailand or whatever, make camp and
and get on with it. Um. But to do it
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while playing tournament golf was really really dangerous. I mean,
I I'm amazed that, you know, I kept my determination
through all that because even family, family was saying, you know,
do you think you should consider I said, you're my
father in law actually said do you think you should
you should consider getting a club professional's job. So that
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was that was that was That was big help. That
was yeah, that was negativity for solid fire. So so
I was like, well, no, I could see the like ring.
That line wasn't even right to say seeing the light
of the channel. You just you believe that what you
were doing and doing and doing and when then find
it clicked. And but again it could have even on
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the coach, even what I know about the golf swing
now and you know, bought even ball flight laws and
what have you, what we could have changed even learning
that way as well. We were learning positions where you know,
I teach myself from bull flight, good old ball. I
made the golf ball do something. So what have I
physically got to do physically and technically got to do
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to make that golf ball do what I wanted to do.
And that's the that's how I learned. Now you never
move the ball a lot one way or another, right
you You you're building was more about no, no, no,
I'm I'm I. I made the ball. Just call it
(28:58):
tipping rather than curving. You know you. Um, I had
my shots that had a little bit of a fade
and a little bit of a drawer, and then I
had a bigger fade which is my well, my aunt,
it was. The way I call it now is teach
yourself you know where to hit the ball rather than
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where not where you don't want the ball to go.
So people say, you know, I don't want it to
go left. Okay, So what do you see when you
say I don't want it to go left. I'm looking
out the window and my eyes go to the left
hand side of the window. But if you say I
want but the ponds on the left, because you're saying
I don't want it to go left, So I would
now say, make the ball go to the right, and
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my eyes automatically go to the right hand side of
the window here. So I'm I would have thought. I
teach myself that way now, and I try to teach
my kids and my foulders and said, made the ball
go where you want it to go, rather than saying
I don't want to slice it and I don't want
to hook it, which means the opposite. I wanted to
go down the right side of the fip. So how
do you made this ball fly down the right hand
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side of the fairway? High or low? And that's what
I got really good at I had with as I
probably heard me describe. I had one backswing really and
four different followed through is and I had a high
fade and the low fade, and the hyd draw and
the load draw. And yeah, when I got really good,
if I'm moving against the wind, which is what you
really were doing, it looked like I was hitting the
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golf fall straight. But I was always working. You know.
It's slightly fading and slightly drawing, and I really believed
in that made the ball move. I don't believe in
the straight shot. That's I mean, what is straight I'll
give you. I'll give you straight is one yard left
or right, And that's that's pretty darn difficult to guarantee.
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But if you said to me, fade it, um, you
know I can fade it. And if I get really good,
my fake got down to one and two yards, you know.
So would you like to see the modern ball move
a little bit more, not not as the players move it,
but but because of aerodynamics that it will may be
(31:08):
more shapable or move more on bub Bubba will argue that, yeah,
he's one. Yeah, it is shape, it is shapable, But
we've worked so hard on trying to find this. Um.
If you do exactly do some Seriously, Bubba is quite unique.
You can do some really exaggerated things, which is pretty rarely.
It's amazing to watch in person. It's amazing how many
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guys can have driver, you know, five degrees on the
descent and then fight five and then he can do
five degrees on the up. That is pretty amazing. That
is that really is amazing. No, I you know, I was,
I was tweating the other day. I'm a big Hey,
the ballmark is huge. I mean it's that's serious money. Um.
(31:51):
But I and everybody and we quite and we've been
now been watching golfers get longer and longer, and that's
that's television. You know, guys stand up. Rory HiT's at
three fifty down a hole. Um, we're kind of into that,
you know. Um, there's always going to be even if
you throttled them back to three hundred. Sure, then you've
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also throttled back the guys who can do eighty down
to fifty. You know. So there's there's that side to it. Um.
I would like it to be more difficult, I e.
The quality of the strike. You know, I tweeted the
other day about you know, back in for Simon Days
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and um blatta ball. There was only a handful of
really great drivers. You know, obviously Greg was great, and
Jack and obviously Trevina was great for his way and
Watson and even Savvy was a great driver. I know
it went sideways at times, but he did it. You
know it was but but you can name them. It
was only a dozen a dozen matters. And then now
(32:59):
best examine, there's only a dozen poor drivers. Now, yeah,
there's only a few that everybody else can get it.
I hate to think of the percentage you can get
it three hundred through the air, and then there's obviously
three there's the three twenty club, there's club, and then
and then average. Everybody says he I'm about So that
(33:20):
is what that is thanks to the okay, the brilliant
technology of a driver face Matt marrying it with the
perfect shaft and obviously optimizing your spin and launch obviously
through your golf ball. So if we if we brought
the size of the face down, so it was seriously,
(33:41):
you know, there were some serious mishits. We brought back
the misshit. So the sweet sweet spot for the pro
is a real sweet spot, not the sweet face. That's
what it is now. It's a whole blooming thing. So
I thought that would be great to bring back the
um and a little bit like the three with all
(34:01):
the other the other simplest way saying ingest at times, Well,
if we banned tea pex, if they went and played
a tournament, there no tea pegs, right, well, the guys
would have to alter their drive and they'd say all right,
and you actually would just allowed to place it on
the tea on the grass. Now they wouldn't be using
six degrees. They would say, I don't need nine. I
(34:23):
need nine, and I need ten and I need one's
going to at least get airborne a bit, and I
gotta have a bit of give in the face. And
you know that would that would seriously change. It's sure
they can get three, would because it's designed, but that
might be your optimum. That actually would be your optimum.
Your three would off the ground as just seeing Rory's numbers,
you know, still a two eighty five through the air,
(34:44):
but they wouldn't. It would be a real tough hit
to get a driver uh off the deck, you know.
So that's that's what I think we've got to get
back to, is that it's a real quality of strike
and and that would bring in you know, they're a
little bit more inconsistency that and you know, and I
(35:06):
love the way they set up Royal Melbourne. You know
last year think guy's really got a um, well, some
was somewhere. It was a real jolt. It's quite fantastic
if you hit a two iron off the tee and
it's in the wrong position that you can't get your
wedge to stop on the green. So you know that,
I think it's fantastic we can and the guys loved it,
(35:29):
and the better players actually love it. Look how Tiger
absolutely loved that because it's like, Okay, it's not just
smash it down there and don't find it and then
work it out. It was like, hey, there really is
important of being left or right of center because I cannot,
I just cannot get to this flag. That's the that's
the beauty and the brilliance of room courses like that
(35:51):
room and obviously when they're rock hard, yeah, that's the
other thing. And it's um so I'd love that back.
I mean, I don't mind them in that miles down there,
but it's it's amazing how they can in the right
ruff and the flags on the right and they still
hit them and they and it's just not that's just
not punished enough, you know. That's that's the thing. And
(36:13):
the bottom line is if if the green was a
little firmer, you know you, if the greens had a
bit more bounce in them, then you would be absolutely screwed.
If you're in the right off to a right pin,
even with no bunker in the way or anything in
the way, you would not be able to seriously great
shot to get it inside fift feet. So um, little
(36:35):
things like that we can if we want it, you know,
some places sometimes obviously we can't. We can't make it
too difficult. We don't want it to be level part,
you know, because everybody gets brought it called that boring golf,
even though it can be fascinating to us. Um, And
we don't want twenty four under every week. It wasn't
just a pudding country. So we've got to find the
(36:56):
right balance. But I would have thought if you if
you've got control of the weather, you could you could
get pretty close to that. Uh. And having pure sand
would be great, which uh reminds me of something else.
I wanted to ask you about I'm gonna take another
quick break here on the Shock Show and then I'm
gonna ask you about Bartra. I believe I pronounced it correctly,
(37:25):
all right. So I watched the scratch video, um of you.
It was the first time you've been on this site.
It's off the coast of the west coast of Ireland
in seven years. I think it's it said, what what
what tell us about this incredible looking property? Does it
have does it have the sand to create the firm
and fast golf that we want? Oh well, it's it's
(37:48):
a it's a it's a nightmare project to me to
the great ones always are. Yeah. So we first went,
we first were given photos, given photographs of that. Um,
hang on, just get this right. My son was eight,
it's thirty one. Now you're doing the mass. We went,
(38:09):
we went, We went on the island where Matthew was eight.
Somebody sending, somebody send us some photographs and and when
you went to look to this, it's the most amazing
piece of land because basically it's a it's a stripper
land starting wide at the at the east end and
about five yards wide, and then it literally goes to
(38:30):
a point like a long skinny triangle goes to literally
point of that thirty yards white, slowly getting more and
more and narrow, and it's got dew and and all
sorts of different mixture of June's, even the low ones
that you think look lower, look nothing. When you get
down there there's still you know, six eight was six
(38:51):
ten fifteen ft high. And then we got the other
end when we go crazy up to eight ft high
Junes and then and then then the bottom and it's
kind of unusable because it's just really just crazy, um
too severe, you mean, just two set to s. So
you know, we it's a really and this this would
(39:12):
this would be a two hour show if I told
you so. The bottom line, it took it. It took
twelve years before we could purchase it because of it
because people fighting over who owned it. It's a dispute
who owned it. Then we got then we got on
board with my friends, very good friends is in the
property business, and but that we thought it would be
(39:35):
smart to help him to have two Irish partners, and
that went wrong from day one, so so that didn't
that's nothing worked at all. So it's kind of just
sat there it's the simplest way of saying. It's just
sat there. And then so we went I've been telling
friends about this and then they said, well, let's go
and see it. And so we're going to give it
(39:57):
one more go to try and have a meeting because
you know, some people say it's um, you know, protected
and what have you, and then some parts of it are.
You know, we've come to the conclusion now that if
there is the east end is on is On Rock,
so we are. And it used to be amongst monastery
(40:19):
there and so there's the walled gardens and all sorts
of things, and then there was an eighteenth century house
manor house. Um. So in some way that we've been
given some kind of some kind of permissions and what
we can guide and with guidance other than permissions, guidance
and what we could do at that end of the island.
So we're going to really go back and help, you know,
(40:41):
sometime in the summer, have a really good meeting and
trying to pursue, you know, what is possible. If they
say yes, this is possible, great, If they say no,
we're gonna just forget it. And so, because you know
it's I dream up. It could have been. It could
have been the the ultimate eighteen whole Golf Links course,
(41:02):
because it's nine out and nine back, absolutely genuine. You
go out, you go out to the west. You've got
the sun behind you when you start in the morning,
and then you've got the sun behind you when you
come back on the back. Now to how unbelievable perfect
is that? And and then I said, well, why don't
we build this thing by hand? That's really build this
by hand? And I said, wouldn't it be great if
(41:24):
we could put a couple of mobile homes on on
there and we invite mates to say, hey, come from
however long you want. And here's the deal. We've got
to We've got to the phone stay at the door,
you check in, you know, check in with the world maybe,
but you leave your phones at the door, and you
put your jeans on, and we go out there and
we give you all the rap and everything. We say, right,
(41:46):
here's the first tea, flatten it and we walk and
we walk and we said, well, this is going to
be the fairway, and we or whatever, we push some
kind of gang mowers down there and and say, well,
that looks great for a bunk, here's the green, right,
clean it up. And I thought that would be quite
a project if we it would been perfect now because
(42:08):
everybody we've got time. We could have said, yeah, i've
got a month to do nothing, I'll go and build
a golf course. So um, yeah, so that's that. I've
got all sorts of different visions. But it's quite amazing,
of course, the light and if there's three thousand yards
of beach there this beautiful golden sand, and and um,
(42:31):
all sorts of ideas, but gosh, who knows if it
will ever ever come off? And now with what has
happened in the world, and this is not just related
to this project, but any any anything in golf, have
you thought a little bit about what will change or
what should change coming out of this? Um this and
(42:52):
I and I've said it many times on a few
different shows, that it's an opportunity and I hate the world,
but the reality is is this there's a chance to
reset some things or because I feel like some things
that were happening before this, trends will now be expedited.
Have you given any thought to the game at large
about what what will happen? Yeah, I I agree with you.
(43:14):
I think, I think the world al really will have
a this. This is significant enough. The whole planet is
going to have to react to this. So so for
us golfers, you know, if we um, you know, we
we fought for a while because we we do have
an opportunity to continue playing our game. And you know,
we're finally getting golf courses reopened. And what I thought,
(43:34):
I personally thought it was ridiculous to shut a golf
course if you wanted to, if you wanted to go
and play as a one boy, if they want to
be really strict, you know, you don't have to change
your shoes anymore. You bowl up, take your clubs out
of your car, you go to the first team, and
you go and play. And easy. We could easily have
done that. We didn't have to go into lockdown on
(43:55):
a golf course. I personally think, um, And now we're
coming back, we can demonstrate our game is really good
for us to get back out there and play. And
who knows what clubs might do to entice people, because
people might say, hey, I want to give this goal
for goal and I don't know anything about it, and
it's a great outdoor sport and so I think clubs.
(44:19):
You know, I've been suggesting to clubs. You know, I
love pat threes, you know part three courses and that
because as you know, we can ever make nine holes
ridiculously easy, or you could play nine whole pat three
course where you would not break part you know, it
could be it could be that you take a party,
you're taking the nine hardest part threes across the world.
(44:42):
You know your your fourth riviera. You can copy a
few of those, or you do you you do your
own interpretation of a few great great pat threes. Homish
you it would be a lifetime achievement. Is shoot one
under anyway, So we know that we know the differences,
so we can it's super enjoyable, super fun, and we
can make it super challenging just because by saying, oh,
(45:05):
nine whole path three, of course people get output. That
doesn't mean anything. Well, we know as golfers it could
be a fantastic experience. So I'm I'm inviting golf puffs
to look at their layouts and say, well, why don't
we have a little short course. What happens if we
put a tea halfway down the first we wandered down,
we start from there and instead of going to the
second Oh there, we'll just build a tea here and
(45:27):
go to the or that's the sixth green over there.
That's a lovely little shot over the woods. You know,
something different across the corner of the pond, going the
going the other way. All that works. It's twenty yards.
Or where are we now? We're now on the side
of the six Let's have a look. Oh actually we
can actually go back to the fourth green. Now we
could go across get me so people could they could
(45:48):
look just with a little bit of work. And to
be honest, you don't even have to build tease. Get
some nine mats, go and get nine good quality mats
and just plumb and just plum. Come down there and
just do it for fun and going and see what
you create. Yeah, um, you know, I now design. I
gave my guys brief a long time ago to build
Part three courses that are reversible things like that, so
(46:11):
you can and that becomes a real different challenge as well. Um,
was there a Part three Part three course in your life?
At some point that that? Because I'm passionate about Part
three's two and I'm going to do a podcast. I've
been asking everybody was there one in particular? No, I've
never played a here we are, I've never I'm talking
all about this and I've never come to a true
(46:34):
part or have I Did you play a Turnbury? Did
you ever play that one below the hotel? Yeah? We
play that, that that little one. Okay, So yeah, and
there's and there's a yes, and there's part three? Is
that Glennie you have Augusta? I believe too. Oh of course,
excuse me. Yeah that well that's the mat Yeah, you're right,
that's the main one. You're resting. But no, I know
(46:56):
what you mean. You haven't you haven't just stopped one
day driving and said, hey, it's gonna play the part
three course in the neighborhood. Now, Yeah, but I understand.
So yeah, those ones are right under around those Yeah
they could be there. Um, but I agree. I mean,
you know, we've got to keep hopefully we can campaign
this because you know, you know, we get projects that resorts,
(47:18):
hotels and say we'd like golf, and they say, well
we want and they get stuck and we want Sempty
two holes champion of course in your life and we
know it's and we scream and say look we could
actually build you some really fun things. Um that will
be and I think people might start thinking that, you know,
because they want family and family entertainment, the time factor it,
(47:41):
you know, the money there everything up keep. Yeah, it's
been happening already, Bandon Dunes, Pinehurst, all these places. Clubs
are now rethinking absolutely well, but what doesn't sending A
golf club may have a most wonderful little what doesn't
have to be could be six nine twelve holes. Path
(48:02):
is where you go and play the course and you
hop around holes. And I would have thought if they
sat and looked at their maps and so we could
go there, there, there, there there and go, well, how
about that for loop? We do that every Sunday for
a laugh, for a couple of hours. We open it
up one morning a week and try it and see
what people think. Yeah, I can't see any harm in
that to to introduce new people to the game and
(48:27):
and be hey, it might be nice for the members
to do something different, and you never know what you
might create. I think it's a it's of course we
played the one that's the only one that's really purpose
Plat from Augusta, the the one in best Pro shop. Yeah,
that one. That's yeah. Now, I think to your point though,
(48:50):
it's one of those things of courses. You know, everybody's
so caught up in eighteen holes and more and more
than to set up. You know, George Thomas routed his
courses to have loops of holes, more public courses, more
courses need to say, hey today, we're just playing six
holes after two o'clock and it's it's twenty dollars, and
be more flexible because the eighteen whole thing is just
(49:13):
I mean, if you started the game from scratch, it
would be pressed. We could be twelve holes. I think, well, yeah,
look look at that. Look at that opens with twelve holes.
I mean, so it's you know, and we've got I mean,
I know the RNA would back it because they will
come up, you know, play nine initiatives. But I love it.
As you get older, you know, we we go down
and I'll love to hit boars warm up properly, and
(49:34):
we're saying we're go and play nine because the time factory,
especially if you've got three dogs waiting for you at home. Saxon, Yeah,
the we gotta so the dogs can't go with you
when you play golf there. We've never tried. No, we
were we only we we took them when we go
to Montana, when we go up to the Wilderness Club,
(49:55):
because obviously I'm way more involved with the club, so
we let the dogs come out. They didn't. They didn't
actually come. I don't think we came on the course
where we played. They were probably too young. Thank them
to Sunningdale. Well, yeah, yeah, it's a bit of a
They love their dogs, yeah, exactly, their discipline now they
(50:17):
come back there. Oh you're more worried about that. I'm
speaking more to the culture of which places allow dogs
and which stone in the UK get they get that right.
We don't here. We act like they're gonna go and
rip up all the greens, which they're not. Yeah, I
think I think dogs are smart enough to be disciplined
to be you know, they love it. I mean I
(50:38):
remember the great stories about James Hunt, you know, the
racing driver who used to play and he had a
dog and the dog was Smarck. He'd go to the tea,
yet he'd run down fifty yards down the fairway and
he knew and he'd actually watched the ball flight go
when they hit. He'd watched the bull fly, and he
knew where the three balls had gone, and he'd go
and you'd go off and find the balls and sit
(50:58):
by his names his ball, and he would he played
the gold with like that, and he knew he was disciplined,
and I thought, wow, I would love to have a
dog like that. That might three two loopy, you know, crazy,
so but it could be disciplined. They could be disciplined.
I think they probably quite enjoyed that so well. So
(51:18):
we ended the show talking about Saxon. So I've done
it again. Yeah, yeah, he Saxon rules right now. He's
even need the Saxons. So we're gon we're gonna do
one with cheese. We're gonna do one with cheese is next?
We thought we did get some international cheese and do
a cheese the next one. That's that's that's next on
the menu of morning snacks with me and Saxon. Thank
(51:44):
you next so much. Sure. I hope you enjoyed that
discussion with sir Nick. He is always interesting and I'm
glad to hear he's constantly thinking about different things as
we try to get through this bizarre time time again.
His show is Days and Nights a premiers Monday, April
(52:04):
on the CBS Sports Network, and I will link all
sorts of good stuff in the show, including that fun
video with Sax and his dog, and I'll see what
else I can dig up on. So Nick, there's some
really interesting links that might give you a little fun
distraction comment content excuse me. I hope you enjoyed that discussion,
though he also gave me some wonderful stuff after the
(52:26):
show about getting started in the game, which we're getting
close now. Every guest I've asked about how they got started,
and I've asked about Part three courses. What you already
heard the Part three course, but we'll probably put it
in that show again too. But I love hearing these
different ways people got started, and Nick really went deep
on that was very fascinating because he's a late starter,
and it will be comforting to those parents out there
(52:47):
who I think you must start the game by the
age of ten or else you have no chance in life.
As always, I'd like to thank the show's producer, Temper Rotica,
for piecing together these recordings that I do. And just
to reminded that The Shack Show is a production of
I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio,
visit the I heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever
you listen to your favorite shows. I'll be back soon.
(53:09):
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