January 10, 2023 • 32 mins
Fabricio Oberto takes us inside his journey from overseas basketball star to an NBA rookie for the San Antonio Spurs at age 30. Fabricio explains why his first year with the Spurs was really hard, and then he talks about earning the trust of Tim Duncan, which includes a must-listen-to story about donuts. Fabricio shares the story behind signing with the Spurs, he touches on the biggest adjustment in joining the NBA, he discloses his closest teammates and then he shares what it was like to be inducted into the FIBA HOF.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Perte the offensive refound inside the dunk half, Dunkey will
get a chance for the three point places. Per Toos
hustle to keep that ball alive. Right on looking for
Duncan bank to r to right schools spiritiful, hither go
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her job up the nunder moves. He might be slow,
but he's very crafty down there. Welcome to episode nine
of the Sound of Spurs podcast, and we're very very
happy to be joined by an old friend of mine,
actually a guy that spent five years with the Spurs
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from oh five to oh nine and still has a
special place in the heart of many fans in Argentina
and in San Antonio, and that has one fabricious Alberto
Arciso impressed. I looked you up on Google and Wikipedia
because I didn't know anything about you. Not not true. Yes,
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I thought that you're gonna give me the episode number seven,
you know now we should have? Yes, yes, well, always
a pleasure. We I wonder if you still got all
the recordings that we got in you know, oh five
or six. You might have all the recorders, right, I
have all of the great baskets that for rico Berto
scored during that time, but I don't know if I
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have any of our interviews, because at the end of
the game I remember sitting on the table over there
and just with the fans chatting and um, I don't
know how was my English and that, but in those days,
but was fun. Was fun just to receive all that
love after the game. And you know, most of the time,
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when you do something right, you're gonna be sitting in
that chair next to you, So that was lucky for me.
I think one of those games was that eleven for
eleven from the field game for I don't know if
you remember that, but I do pretty well. And of
course most of our layups and short shots around the room,
something we're taking a lot of three is right. I'm
gonna tell you, I got like three or four shot
from outside of the pain. You know, I was changing
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my chat when I got and she was doing you know,
his magic on my free throw and everything. And the
first year was like really hard, I tell you, I
was like, oh, please, don't pass me the ball when
because my my I changed completely the way I was shooting,
and that was that was weird those and that was
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the first year, the first game of the maybe after
the before the championship and I started, you know, you know,
getting that trust on my shot, on my game again
and was awesome. That game was so much fun, so
much fun. I don't think I'll ever forget your first
preseason game, correct me from wrong for brit show was
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in Miami and eure up against Shock, or at least
one of the early preseason games your first year. And
I remember talking to you after the game. You know,
there's nobody in Europe that's like that. What what about
that adjustment playing your first of that of that? Okay,
please do please. So a couple of years ago, we
are in the dinner and puppies over there and there
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is uh the other coaches and they start telling me
that that was like, you know, okay, listen, you know
put five without help against Shock, you know, like baptism,
you know the NBA. So I remember that. Then you know,
before the game talk you know, the five you're gonna
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go one on one, no help, And I remember, like
no help? What was was hilarious? And that's that's the way.
And you know, all the years and the family and
the culture of the Spurs, how they they take each
person so specially and so important for you know, for
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the organization, for the chemistry of the team, and some believe, yeah,
we can't jump right into this, and I wanted to
it more into your background, but we'll do that in
a minute. But since we're on this topic, man Who
posted up the other day about a funny moment with
Pop and it was when he grabbed an offensive rebound
late in the game, and I think the team at
one point lead, and he dribbled to the corner and
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he faked the three as if he was going to
take it with twenty four seconds left in the shot clock,
and Pop jumped higher to Lebron James. Man Who said, so,
man Who had a way of kind of playing with
Pop in a way, And I think maybe I might
be wrong, but new international guys had a very unique
relationship with Pop and maybe you could kidd with him
a little bit. I never tried to do something like
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that adventurous like Manu, you know, like he got another
way and you know his game. I remember in a
practice I used to throw the you know, the pick
and rolls. They passed through my legs, Bruce almost you know,
it was like proble almost lose the ball. And so
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Pop is stopped the practice at leasten all these international
guys they're gonna go with crazy passes, would just be
ready expectable. And I did it in the game and Bruce,
you know, got the three on the corner, and you know,
was that funny funny moments. I remember Big Cole as
there that I made one of the huggiest basket that
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he ever seen. That was you know, he called it
time out for that. I love, I love, I love
that moment in the story from pob all the guys
way like t D Man who Tony Holy guys around
him and say, well, if that was the ive ever seen,
thank you. It went in right, it counts. It's just
like I always said, the most the most important offensive
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rebound your career was Game four against Cleveland in the
OH seven Finals. And I don't remember that stretch, but
I think this person about three or four offensive rebounds
in a row, and I know Cleveland was very, very
frustrated because they couldn't get the defensive rebound and you
gotta put back with about a minute ago. That only
ended up being the game winner of the ball game. Yeah,
that not I don't think, not even like Hollywood director
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or the best director that can relate for a movie
or do a movie. We I mean the last man
who when went off in the last six seven minutes
and I was lucky to get the rebounds. Or sometimes
you know, when they're trying to do all that, they
start playing like that sound defense, kind of trying to
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cheat on the space in and I got a couple
of passes from Mano under the basket, So it was
like playing in the national team. You know, he you know,
I knew you're gonna throw the past uh TD in
the moment that I score and he's coming and just
yelling at that moment was unbelie I must have been
a special moment. Let's get back to your roots. Last
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three is Argentina. You're one in the mid seventies. Um,
when did you discover basketball and what kind of facilities
were available for young players in a town like last
three Argentina. Well, the facilities were soccer fields, everything about soccer,
and I s doing like some track and field. Uh
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and I was the higher, the highest guy on on
on the class. So most of the time, you know,
if you're told you're gonna try to you know, match
with any sports. And and I fell in love with
basketball since when I was seven years old. Uh, I'm
from there until thirty eight. That that was my last game.
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I've been in love and I never learned to play.
You know. It's still like if I would be back
playing right now, would be like, oh, I still got
to learn a bunch of things. Uh, but really fun.
All my friends you know, started like getting there and
in order things crazy because in high school like okay,
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we're gonna play soccer today, And I said, I was
telling the coach, you know, the teacher is like, well,
we don't play basketball. We're gonna play soccer. Okay. We
place always was that battle trying to learn and you know,
I was really contain a law. But about basketball, I
mean I love it all the chemistry or the situations
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and your travel if your parents get a chance to,
you know, take you to some game, because you started
going different cities when you're small. It was like really fun.
You saw your first professional contract with that tinas Is
that correct? Yes, attains That was I was playing in
you know, already in another town, kind of getting my
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you know, paying for tickets or some you know extra
for the expenses that I was doing. So I played
two years while I was doing high school and working
in the morning. So it was it like crazy traveling
trying to study on the bus. The bus take you
used to take like most steel takes like hour and
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I have to do I k uh star up in
everywhere that bus. You know, those all of us like
they see something on the field and they're gonna stop
and see, okay, someone is going to write the bus.
So that I did it for two years. And after
I got the you know, like a test and you know,
try out with with Antennas, and you know, I signed
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for my first year over there, so that was actually
professional basketball and you got paid to play. And was
that in the Argentina League, the Argentina League. Yes, I
started being like a junior over there, you know, under
twenty one, under twenty two, I was signed. I played
four years over there, and after you know, I got
the chance when I start againy more minutes I was playing.
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My goal in those days was playing in Antennas. Most
of the national team, I mean like four or five
guys from the national team Argentina were playing over there.
One of my first idols, Milanestia, was playing there. So
imagine my second idol was Tony Ko. I couldn't play
with him, and I watched when he was in Benetton
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in Italy or or in the Bulls. But the other
guy that I made when I was nine in year
ninety six was Tim Duncan. Since that moment I started
watching him, and after I was lucky enough to play
with him, and after we're riding bikes with him. So well,
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I've always heard that Tim was a great teammate, you know,
once he trusted you and got to know you a
little bit and knew that you had some game. You know.
Man who talked about the same thing, earning Tim's trust,
Tony talks about the same deal. It takes a little
while to earn his trust, but once you do and
he's got you in his corner, he'll take care of you. Right. Yeah,
the first year, most of the guys and I think
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Pop told me, like, I don't worry if team doesn't
talk to you in the first year. You know, I was.
I already played. I played against him internationally, so we
got like a kind of you know, offense. He was
trying to play defense on him, trying to use some
tricks in international, like he he really loves to play
in fever and you know, trying to get him in
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foul travel or you know, messing with him. There is
no other way that you can got t D. You
got to try to mess or power or take into
the fever rules. And from that moment, every time, even
my first year, you know, you used to I was
thirty almost, they're all this rookie ever and you got
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to get the donuts. So they were like two boxes
from one store and another box that you get to
bring for another store that is for t D. So
after twenty games, you know, I say, okay, we get
in a relationship. I went to t D as a
a t D. Can we manage just to have this
two or three boxes from this store? And he looked
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at me and said, no, I like the other but
just no chances, just to make it harder for you,
just because you had to take an extra stop and
get more donut. Sid I got to go, you know,
like fight two minutes, and well I didn't. I wasn't.
I wasn't rugguie all the way. And I thought that
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you're gonna be like, yeah, if no worries, No, I
like the other ones. But the funny thing, I never
seen him eating one. No, of course not he probably
to eat them. He would just give you a hard
time for sure. It's like I read a story about
Michael Jordan's one time you used to play for big,
big money on the card games up front. At one
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time he decided to go in the back where the
guys are playing for two bucks a hand and will
Produce said, why are you coming back here to play
for two bucks? Can? He goes, because I want your
two dollars. I want your money. So Tim wanted to
make sure that you stopped. They got those donuts, whether
he ate them or not, probably fat right, Yes, for sure,
for sure, But that that was in great moments. And
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really since the signing with the Spurs, they made me
feel that I got already like ten years my bickpen.
You know, playing NBA was unbelievable, the respect, how much
they knew about my my game. And you know, I
got the best advertiser Manu. You know you're gonna tell,
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you know, whatever they need. But besides that, you know,
when you get in the organization and the value and
you they make you feel like really important. Like today,
I mean every day just doing the podcast of doing
anything with the Spurs. It's like a like a place
and really honor for me. I wanted to talk a
little bit more about your broadcast girl a little later on.
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We still have so much ground to cover with your
playing career. You mentioned money, of course, and that was
your entry to the Spurs. He was bragging on you
to the coaches. But you also do that you would
have a specific role with the team. Was that pretty
much spelled out in the very beginning, because you know
you were going to come in and be guy's gonna
score twenty five points? They do that, and you do
appen you had a very important specific role in the
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ball club. Um, what about that role and how you
fit that role during that period of time. Well, as
soon as I got the chance, I don't know if
you heard this story. About twenty four hours later and
before my contract with the Spurs, I got another, you know,
an offer from the grisliest. So I told my agent, well,
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I'm gonna wait tomorrow, like right now, tomorrow noon, I
tell you, and we signed. And you know what's the
fax machine? I got to sign the prep we can
put the pictures so the kids or the right realize
what it is. My agent is like, hey, you will,
You've been waiting so much time for this. What you're
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gonna wait? Well, I want to wait twenty four hours.
So next day we're going to the first one of
the first check about my daughter Julia, and we're getting
in into the doctor office and I see a phone
call and he's unknown and well, I answer, is my agents.
So listen, we got an offer from the Spurs. I said,
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I signed there, done deal. I mean it's done. I
mean I get so excited, like right now. He said, whoa,
but this is gonna be different. I don't here and
being tin duncan I know the set that they play
a man? Was there? All the guys I want to
play there? So that was the story. And thirty minutes
later of that call, I received another unknowuncle and his
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popular telling me welcome to the Spurs. So imagine it
was like floating. I don't know if I order. My
daughter was a month old. The doctor couldn't understand what why.
I was like flashing, like flying in that room was umbelow.
There were so many things going on for you at
the same time, So you had all these emotions. And
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then was there a certain fear about English because you
mentioned the fact that your English wasn't as good as
it is. Oh my scenes, you know the high school,
because it's something that I can control, you know, playing
good or scoring and making a lot of charts. I mean,
you're gonna practice, but depends on a different situation, the
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game that the team is playing for you. And you
were asking me about that rule. When I signed for
the Spurs, my only goal was don't be a bother
or the thing that costs you know, no chemistry on
the court. You know, like I imagine myself being in
the corner and say, okay here, I'm not on the
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way or know anybody. You know. That was my rule
to play and trying to get all the fuls, you know,
just being around t D or any of the players.
I knew that Manu, t D and Tony got to
be on the court. So if I'm close to them,
and if you look some games, you're gonna raise really
quick my hand a, you're gonna get the ful It's
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like seven seven Okay. I knew the rules. I knew.
I already got three files before the game started. I
knew it. I would be like really really bad if
I don't know those rules. You know, it's not like
concerning I don't feel I don't have to feel like
I hurt, my feelings hurt or something. It's the way
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it is. But the unique thing about that whole team
is everybody. And we talked about roles before, but some
guys had to sacrifice certain things. Man Who, of course
came off the bench. A lot of other stars in
the league wouldn't have wanted to come off the bench,
that wouldn't be in the starting lineup. But man who
understood his role and the best value he had for
the team. Uh, And it seemed to me like a
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lot of guys did that. There you go. It's a
genobly thing. But I do understand, we the people that
are watching this podcast, do understand. Yes, yes, The first
time I saw man Who play was in the World
Championships and oh two Indianapolis and you guys almost beat Serbia,
which I think was Yugoslavia at the time, And that's
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I think the way. And of course money had already
been drafted about Spurs. It was always already kind of
in the fold, although he hadn't come over yet. Um,
but I think that was the first time people realized, Hey,
how good money was and be how good you guys
were the Argentina team. And that's the right fetnal when
the team is the most important thing and you know
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the main guys can preach, can lead to the other
players that will happen. That is the closest experience that
we have with the team the Spurs, you know as
a national team because you got t D. That's you're
going to show the way Tony man who those three
guys plus Pop plus the organization, they're gonna take you
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to that road that you got to understand the meaning
of the team, how you put your talent, you know,
in favor or to make whatever happens, but for the team.
And that's you were talking man who coming from the bench.
Uh you know those guys if you hit that game
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that you were mentioned in the eleven from the eleven,
I mean I think td R brand of Manu Tony,
they were more happy than me. I mean it's like
that feeling like go back and forth of the energy
that you can build and he is you know, you
got to pick another single sport you can adapt to
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those rules. We're like pickleball. You and I are pickupball buddies. Uh,
it's impossible to lab over from Rizio Berto at the
net by the way in pickleball, just just so you know,
he's got a long reache in the six ten. The
adjustment from the NBA or to the NBA from Europe.
Of course, you had played overseas and you played for
some pretty good teams. To tells Romico in Spain, Olympiacos
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obviously increased. So these are legendary programs are over Europe.
You come over to a program that's already established with
the Spurs. What was the biggest adjustment for you tub
in terms of going to the NBA this hugely that
covers the entire continent with thirty teams. Well, just the
main thing, how can I earn my spot and be
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useful for the team? Just put whatever if I got
to you know, take fols, play defense, run the floor
or whatever. Uh. I knew that there is like every
every night there is a big challenge, like you get
to go shock. Yeah, how our there every night was
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like that. So I was like really excited or I'm
motivated for for that reason. I'm just trying to help
the team And when you go, I mean I got
these three guys on the team like, Okay, they're gonna score,
and I got to be helping if they helped too much.
So you remember their Western Finals against Utah oh seven,
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So they started helping from my guy. So I was ready.
I knew perfect all the spots were gonna play under
the basket, trying to hide, trying to see where they're
gonna trying to sneak, and trying to play better D
on T D and TV. I knew the guys they're
gonna pass me the ball, so that that was just
being ready is the main thing that gets you the
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spot in the league. It seems like a small skill,
but you had good hands and that really helped you
because as you're roaming the baseline, those guys are occupying defenders,
you were able to get some amazing pockets inside. Burn'ture
when I got I got signed by the Whizzards. So
one of the players told me, why are you shooting?
I mean, you practice every day, like you know, hooping
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about around the basket, hooks, running hooks and layups every day,
but you just take like two or three shots in
the game. And I said, well, I got to be
like ready because if I get three shots, maybe I
won't get anymore, so I got to score those three.
That was my my idea, you know, trying to just
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be efficient as I can be. Of course, you're a
teammate with Mono on the UH Argentina national team, a
team that is absolutely legendary in Fever. And by the way,
congratulations because in just a few years ago you were
inducted into the Fevera Hall of Fame. And I think
that that's a that's probably very very special for you.
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And to be part of that whole generation of great
basketball players in Argentina, Yes, was a big honor. You know,
the same night it was inducted, a long summer morning
piccolin artist from Puerto Rico that I don't know if
there is another player, I took so many moves that
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I copy him, I mean like copy up all the moves,
you know how. And I told the story like I
used to watch all the your videos to see all
your moves, you know, food work, and well, I was
in the whole inducted in this same year that he
wasn't getting inducted, So it was like a really big
onor for me being with those guys and and the morning,
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you know, we were talking and told me, oh, you
two we got a good fights. And you know when
we're playing NBA or and that recognition is like I
never s called like you know, every every game or
but when you get that feeling for another player is
like really good, really good when they're recognized that, I mean,
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you did good things. I don't know, maybe exceptional, like
you know, scoring eighty points. But there's there's so many
things that you can do to impact the game. You
had so many cool teammates and obviously Mono when you
were very close, But who are your other favorite teammates
wore the guys that you lose to spend time with
off the floor maybe during your period of time of
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the Spurs. Well, I got great stories and I was
really fun of most of them. I didn't tell them
not not honor mother. Every every day that I see
or share any moment I get surprised. It's like the
guy who gonna overwhelmed, like uh doing like a magic
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or story or some crazy comments some nerve culture Ambelio Umblio,
so much fun brand is you know another guy that
coming from the music globe in the Seattle seen grunch bands.
You know, we've got so much connection over there and
talking and most of the time with all these guys,
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we don't talk about basketball. We just talk about different topics.
And I think it's when when you start getting the
connection on not playing with Robert Horry, Nick Van Exel. Uh.
You know I used to you know, if I was
practicing or shooting with left I'm going to call that
Nick Van excellent, and you know what your problem something
And all of the sudden I'm playing with him. So
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some realistic yeah, good good teammates. Hey, this reminds me
of a story. I was interviewing you before gaming Utah
one time and I was asking you about how fans
are rally and certain arenas and Utah is known to
be kind of a tough crowd, and you just started
laughing and you said, this is nothing compared to playing.
Increase Um share just a story or two about the
crazy fans increase when you're playing over there. Well, really fun.
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I love that energy on the arenas. Um you know,
just people throwing the car keys, so the house keys,
you know, they're just throwing that you can see in
the control table like a mountain of keys and different phones.
You remember the old brand that with a little cover.
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It was like almost a brick when you see like
you know, rotten eggs. Uh, oh, my god, was really fun,
really fun playing with that, you know. Still, yes, I
was talking with Toddler, uh that I play over there
in Greece after cross Path when he was playing with
the bulls. But great experience, just you know, trying to adapt,
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trying to see when they maybe you were running a
fast break and you're gonna see a firework, you know,
just landing and blowing in the middle of a firecracker.
Crazy like big ones, but amazing experience. Also in Spain,
you know, the respect and that was my first year
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in Greece. Always like Olympia, got fun and I wish
I could be like more mature to show more my game.
Always thankful, always texting me or you know, sending social
media messages. I believe you were. You were. We were
talking about great teammates. Well I can't. I got to
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You mentioned music earlier. I just want to touch on
that before we exit here. We've got a few more
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h g b. Um. You have a man cave in
your house, I understand, and you have some guitars. Uh,
your relationship with music just kind of bring us update
with what you're doing with your music. Yes, well, now
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that I moved to Texas, it's like the band kind
of polls right now. But for you're always trying to
learn different instruments or you know, keep playing guitar. I
got the same feeling like I mean, you you traveled
with the guitar and maybe you're still doing it. You
still do a little bit here area, Yeah, but you
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know when when you got that connection and you can
play and start doing some home stuff, it's really fun.
I love to write. I love to read a lot,
and that's the main thing, like concern right now. Hopefully
soon enough, A'm gonna be playing in the band. Uh.
Still crazy in love with learning about the boys and singing. Uh.
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I might need a couple of years more to be
like the delivery that I want to be. But it's
a completely different role that being setting screens and you know,
passing the ball, like being a lead singer. You know that,
you know that, yeah, absolutely? And now Uly, you sing
in English and in Spanish, try to okay, that's because
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you know, sometimes I don't know if your musical mind
is an English or in Spanish right now, and maybe
both trying to be both. I mean, I got song
that I wrote in English, maybe singing in Spanish. That's
that's the way that you've got to be creative. But
we got to find some jump session. You're expert level.
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I write more than I play. I think you're a
better player than I am. But I like that, I
like the I like that something a couple of songs, Okay,
we'll write a couple of tunes together that that that
that's a deal. Or any of your music available can
go someone go on Spotify and here some Fabriceilberto or
not well in New Indians still on Spotify. We haven't
played together the last two years, but the music stayed there.
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Hopefully in neck well three, we wanna start jumming. And
you know, the technology also got much better that you
can you know through the like we're doing right now,
you can play now. You've got like musician bands connected
and no delayed. So hopefully we're gonna start doing something
when I get back, and they're planning to maybe come
(30:27):
at some point, so we would see, we will see
what happened with the music. Well, we'll keep us supposed
to for sure before we let you go. Your broadcasting
career is don't going very well. You're doing a lot
of stuff internationally and you're working with my good buddy
Publio Paul Castro join Spurs games in Spanish. Yes, out
of the well, we're gonna we're gonna start doing you
know in in Spanish. It's a great experience and also, uh,
(30:52):
you can see the team relayed. Also you guys, I
mean so many guys doing it and not afraid to
you know, call runnalyst at for the broadcast and try
different things. Really fun, really fun and enjoyed and also
learning a lot. I mean, you guys are pro so
I get to take advantage of that. For Bricio at
(31:13):
the end of your career, you had a hard issue
April fabulation. How is that going along? How are you
feeling that you look great? Well? Thank you so far
great and all the test holters that I'm doing, and
you know, keeping in touch with the doctors, writing a
lot of cycling with Manuan TV, all the guys over
(31:35):
there with the group, it's unbelievable. So if I can
do that with those crazy guys that they you know,
the rhythm that I always tell this kind of joke,
but it's not so far from the reality. It's like
it's like when we start writing, it's like we stole
the bikes. The speed that we're trying to maintain. It's crazy. Well,
(31:58):
it's it's so good that you are able to stay
in touch with those guys. I'm so happy that you're
still in San Antonio and doing all your stuff, your music,
you're broadcasting. Uh, it's been a lot of fun to
cover your career. Fabricio Alberto member of the Feeble Hall
of Fame, NBA champion, gold medal winner, broadcaster, singer, songwriter,
a little bit of everything, truly a man of the world.
(32:18):
This podcast is by H. G. B Uh saunto Spurs
Podcast fad. Thank you. We'll see you next time on
saunto Spurs Podcast.
Perte the offensive refound inside the dunk half, Dunkey will
get a chance for the three point places. Per Toos
hustle to keep that ball alive. Right on looking for
Duncan bank to r to right schools spiritiful, hither go
(00:20):
her job up the nunder moves. He might be slow,
but he's very crafty down there. Welcome to episode nine
of the Sound of Spurs podcast, and we're very very
happy to be joined by an old friend of mine,
actually a guy that spent five years with the Spurs
(00:41):
from oh five to oh nine and still has a
special place in the heart of many fans in Argentina
and in San Antonio, and that has one fabricious Alberto
Arciso impressed. I looked you up on Google and Wikipedia
because I didn't know anything about you. Not not true. Yes,
(01:03):
I thought that you're gonna give me the episode number seven,
you know now we should have? Yes, yes, well, always
a pleasure. We I wonder if you still got all
the recordings that we got in you know, oh five
or six. You might have all the recorders, right, I
have all of the great baskets that for rico Berto
scored during that time, but I don't know if I
(01:24):
have any of our interviews, because at the end of
the game I remember sitting on the table over there
and just with the fans chatting and um, I don't
know how was my English and that, but in those days,
but was fun. Was fun just to receive all that
love after the game. And you know, most of the time,
(01:45):
when you do something right, you're gonna be sitting in
that chair next to you, So that was lucky for me.
I think one of those games was that eleven for
eleven from the field game for I don't know if
you remember that, but I do pretty well. And of
course most of our layups and short shots around the room,
something we're taking a lot of three is right. I'm
gonna tell you, I got like three or four shot
from outside of the pain. You know, I was changing
(02:08):
my chat when I got and she was doing you know,
his magic on my free throw and everything. And the
first year was like really hard, I tell you, I
was like, oh, please, don't pass me the ball when
because my my I changed completely the way I was shooting,
and that was that was weird those and that was
(02:29):
the first year, the first game of the maybe after
the before the championship and I started, you know, you know,
getting that trust on my shot, on my game again
and was awesome. That game was so much fun, so
much fun. I don't think I'll ever forget your first
preseason game, correct me from wrong for brit show was
(02:49):
in Miami and eure up against Shock, or at least
one of the early preseason games your first year. And
I remember talking to you after the game. You know,
there's nobody in Europe that's like that. What what about
that adjustment playing your first of that of that? Okay,
please do please. So a couple of years ago, we
are in the dinner and puppies over there and there
(03:10):
is uh the other coaches and they start telling me
that that was like, you know, okay, listen, you know
put five without help against Shock, you know, like baptism,
you know the NBA. So I remember that. Then you know,
before the game talk you know, the five you're gonna
(03:32):
go one on one, no help, And I remember, like
no help? What was was hilarious? And that's that's the way.
And you know, all the years and the family and
the culture of the Spurs, how they they take each
person so specially and so important for you know, for
(03:53):
the organization, for the chemistry of the team, and some believe, yeah,
we can't jump right into this, and I wanted to
it more into your background, but we'll do that in
a minute. But since we're on this topic, man Who
posted up the other day about a funny moment with
Pop and it was when he grabbed an offensive rebound
late in the game, and I think the team at
one point lead, and he dribbled to the corner and
(04:14):
he faked the three as if he was going to
take it with twenty four seconds left in the shot clock,
and Pop jumped higher to Lebron James. Man Who said, so,
man Who had a way of kind of playing with
Pop in a way, And I think maybe I might
be wrong, but new international guys had a very unique
relationship with Pop and maybe you could kidd with him
a little bit. I never tried to do something like
(04:34):
that adventurous like Manu, you know, like he got another
way and you know his game. I remember in a
practice I used to throw the you know, the pick
and rolls. They passed through my legs, Bruce almost you know,
it was like proble almost lose the ball. And so
(04:54):
Pop is stopped the practice at leasten all these international
guys they're gonna go with crazy passes, would just be
ready expectable. And I did it in the game and Bruce,
you know, got the three on the corner, and you know,
was that funny funny moments. I remember Big Cole as
there that I made one of the huggiest basket that
(05:16):
he ever seen. That was you know, he called it
time out for that. I love, I love, I love
that moment in the story from pob all the guys
way like t D Man who Tony Holy guys around
him and say, well, if that was the ive ever seen,
thank you. It went in right, it counts. It's just
like I always said, the most the most important offensive
(05:36):
rebound your career was Game four against Cleveland in the
OH seven Finals. And I don't remember that stretch, but
I think this person about three or four offensive rebounds
in a row, and I know Cleveland was very, very
frustrated because they couldn't get the defensive rebound and you
gotta put back with about a minute ago. That only
ended up being the game winner of the ball game. Yeah,
that not I don't think, not even like Hollywood director
(05:58):
or the best director that can relate for a movie
or do a movie. We I mean the last man
who when went off in the last six seven minutes
and I was lucky to get the rebounds. Or sometimes
you know, when they're trying to do all that, they
start playing like that sound defense, kind of trying to
(06:18):
cheat on the space in and I got a couple
of passes from Mano under the basket, So it was
like playing in the national team. You know, he you know,
I knew you're gonna throw the past uh TD in
the moment that I score and he's coming and just
yelling at that moment was unbelie I must have been
a special moment. Let's get back to your roots. Last
(06:40):
three is Argentina. You're one in the mid seventies. Um,
when did you discover basketball and what kind of facilities
were available for young players in a town like last
three Argentina. Well, the facilities were soccer fields, everything about soccer,
and I s doing like some track and field. Uh
(07:03):
and I was the higher, the highest guy on on
on the class. So most of the time, you know,
if you're told you're gonna try to you know, match
with any sports. And and I fell in love with
basketball since when I was seven years old. Uh, I'm
from there until thirty eight. That that was my last game.
(07:26):
I've been in love and I never learned to play.
You know. It's still like if I would be back
playing right now, would be like, oh, I still got
to learn a bunch of things. Uh, but really fun.
All my friends you know, started like getting there and
in order things crazy because in high school like okay,
(07:48):
we're gonna play soccer today, And I said, I was
telling the coach, you know, the teacher is like, well,
we don't play basketball. We're gonna play soccer. Okay. We
place always was that battle trying to learn and you know,
I was really contain a law. But about basketball, I
mean I love it all the chemistry or the situations
(08:12):
and your travel if your parents get a chance to,
you know, take you to some game, because you started
going different cities when you're small. It was like really fun.
You saw your first professional contract with that tinas Is
that correct? Yes, attains That was I was playing in
you know, already in another town, kind of getting my
(08:36):
you know, paying for tickets or some you know extra
for the expenses that I was doing. So I played
two years while I was doing high school and working
in the morning. So it was it like crazy traveling
trying to study on the bus. The bus take you
used to take like most steel takes like hour and
(08:56):
I have to do I k uh star up in
everywhere that bus. You know, those all of us like
they see something on the field and they're gonna stop
and see, okay, someone is going to write the bus.
So that I did it for two years. And after
I got the you know, like a test and you know,
try out with with Antennas, and you know, I signed
(09:19):
for my first year over there, so that was actually
professional basketball and you got paid to play. And was
that in the Argentina League, the Argentina League. Yes, I
started being like a junior over there, you know, under
twenty one, under twenty two, I was signed. I played
four years over there, and after you know, I got
the chance when I start againy more minutes I was playing.
(09:41):
My goal in those days was playing in Antennas. Most
of the national team, I mean like four or five
guys from the national team Argentina were playing over there.
One of my first idols, Milanestia, was playing there. So
imagine my second idol was Tony Ko. I couldn't play
with him, and I watched when he was in Benetton
(10:04):
in Italy or or in the Bulls. But the other
guy that I made when I was nine in year
ninety six was Tim Duncan. Since that moment I started
watching him, and after I was lucky enough to play
with him, and after we're riding bikes with him. So well,
(10:24):
I've always heard that Tim was a great teammate, you know,
once he trusted you and got to know you a
little bit and knew that you had some game. You know.
Man who talked about the same thing, earning Tim's trust,
Tony talks about the same deal. It takes a little
while to earn his trust, but once you do and
he's got you in his corner, he'll take care of you. Right. Yeah,
the first year, most of the guys and I think
(10:46):
Pop told me, like, I don't worry if team doesn't
talk to you in the first year. You know, I was.
I already played. I played against him internationally, so we
got like a kind of you know, offense. He was
trying to play defense on him, trying to use some
tricks in international, like he he really loves to play
in fever and you know, trying to get him in
(11:10):
foul travel or you know, messing with him. There is
no other way that you can got t D. You
got to try to mess or power or take into
the fever rules. And from that moment, every time, even
my first year, you know, you used to I was
thirty almost, they're all this rookie ever and you got
(11:34):
to get the donuts. So they were like two boxes
from one store and another box that you get to
bring for another store that is for t D. So
after twenty games, you know, I say, okay, we get
in a relationship. I went to t D as a
a t D. Can we manage just to have this
two or three boxes from this store? And he looked
(11:56):
at me and said, no, I like the other but
just no chances, just to make it harder for you,
just because you had to take an extra stop and
get more donut. Sid I got to go, you know,
like fight two minutes, and well I didn't. I wasn't.
I wasn't rugguie all the way. And I thought that
(12:17):
you're gonna be like, yeah, if no worries, No, I
like the other ones. But the funny thing, I never
seen him eating one. No, of course not he probably
to eat them. He would just give you a hard
time for sure. It's like I read a story about
Michael Jordan's one time you used to play for big,
big money on the card games up front. At one
(12:37):
time he decided to go in the back where the
guys are playing for two bucks a hand and will
Produce said, why are you coming back here to play
for two bucks? Can? He goes, because I want your
two dollars. I want your money. So Tim wanted to
make sure that you stopped. They got those donuts, whether
he ate them or not, probably fat right, Yes, for sure,
for sure, But that that was in great moments. And
(12:58):
really since the signing with the Spurs, they made me
feel that I got already like ten years my bickpen.
You know, playing NBA was unbelievable, the respect, how much
they knew about my my game. And you know, I
got the best advertiser Manu. You know you're gonna tell,
(13:20):
you know, whatever they need. But besides that, you know,
when you get in the organization and the value and
you they make you feel like really important. Like today,
I mean every day just doing the podcast of doing
anything with the Spurs. It's like a like a place
and really honor for me. I wanted to talk a
little bit more about your broadcast girl a little later on.
(13:40):
We still have so much ground to cover with your
playing career. You mentioned money, of course, and that was
your entry to the Spurs. He was bragging on you
to the coaches. But you also do that you would
have a specific role with the team. Was that pretty
much spelled out in the very beginning, because you know
you were going to come in and be guy's gonna
score twenty five points? They do that, and you do
appen you had a very important specific role in the
(14:02):
ball club. Um, what about that role and how you
fit that role during that period of time. Well, as
soon as I got the chance, I don't know if
you heard this story. About twenty four hours later and
before my contract with the Spurs, I got another, you know,
an offer from the grisliest. So I told my agent, well,
(14:24):
I'm gonna wait tomorrow, like right now, tomorrow noon, I
tell you, and we signed. And you know what's the
fax machine? I got to sign the prep we can
put the pictures so the kids or the right realize
what it is. My agent is like, hey, you will,
You've been waiting so much time for this. What you're
(14:47):
gonna wait? Well, I want to wait twenty four hours.
So next day we're going to the first one of
the first check about my daughter Julia, and we're getting
in into the doctor office and I see a phone
call and he's unknown and well, I answer, is my agents.
So listen, we got an offer from the Spurs. I said,
(15:09):
I signed there, done deal. I mean it's done. I
mean I get so excited, like right now. He said, whoa,
but this is gonna be different. I don't here and
being tin duncan I know the set that they play
a man? Was there? All the guys I want to
play there? So that was the story. And thirty minutes
later of that call, I received another unknowuncle and his
(15:31):
popular telling me welcome to the Spurs. So imagine it
was like floating. I don't know if I order. My
daughter was a month old. The doctor couldn't understand what why.
I was like flashing, like flying in that room was umbelow.
There were so many things going on for you at
the same time, So you had all these emotions. And
(15:54):
then was there a certain fear about English because you
mentioned the fact that your English wasn't as good as
it is. Oh my scenes, you know the high school,
because it's something that I can control, you know, playing
good or scoring and making a lot of charts. I mean,
you're gonna practice, but depends on a different situation, the
(16:15):
game that the team is playing for you. And you
were asking me about that rule. When I signed for
the Spurs, my only goal was don't be a bother
or the thing that costs you know, no chemistry on
the court. You know, like I imagine myself being in
the corner and say, okay here, I'm not on the
(16:37):
way or know anybody. You know. That was my rule
to play and trying to get all the fuls, you know,
just being around t D or any of the players.
I knew that Manu, t D and Tony got to
be on the court. So if I'm close to them,
and if you look some games, you're gonna raise really
quick my hand a, you're gonna get the ful It's
(16:59):
like seven seven Okay. I knew the rules. I knew.
I already got three files before the game started. I
knew it. I would be like really really bad if
I don't know those rules. You know, it's not like
concerning I don't feel I don't have to feel like
I hurt, my feelings hurt or something. It's the way
(17:21):
it is. But the unique thing about that whole team
is everybody. And we talked about roles before, but some
guys had to sacrifice certain things. Man Who, of course
came off the bench. A lot of other stars in
the league wouldn't have wanted to come off the bench,
that wouldn't be in the starting lineup. But man who
understood his role and the best value he had for
the team. Uh, And it seemed to me like a
(17:43):
lot of guys did that. There you go. It's a
genobly thing. But I do understand, we the people that
are watching this podcast, do understand. Yes, yes, The first
time I saw man Who play was in the World
Championships and oh two Indianapolis and you guys almost beat Serbia,
which I think was Yugoslavia at the time, And that's
(18:04):
I think the way. And of course money had already
been drafted about Spurs. It was always already kind of
in the fold, although he hadn't come over yet. Um,
but I think that was the first time people realized, Hey,
how good money was and be how good you guys
were the Argentina team. And that's the right fetnal when
the team is the most important thing and you know
(18:26):
the main guys can preach, can lead to the other
players that will happen. That is the closest experience that
we have with the team the Spurs, you know as
a national team because you got t D. That's you're
going to show the way Tony man who those three
guys plus Pop plus the organization, they're gonna take you
(18:49):
to that road that you got to understand the meaning
of the team, how you put your talent, you know,
in favor or to make whatever happens, but for the team.
And that's you were talking man who coming from the bench.
Uh you know those guys if you hit that game
(19:09):
that you were mentioned in the eleven from the eleven,
I mean I think td R brand of Manu Tony,
they were more happy than me. I mean it's like
that feeling like go back and forth of the energy
that you can build and he is you know, you
got to pick another single sport you can adapt to
(19:29):
those rules. We're like pickleball. You and I are pickupball buddies. Uh,
it's impossible to lab over from Rizio Berto at the
net by the way in pickleball, just just so you know,
he's got a long reache in the six ten. The
adjustment from the NBA or to the NBA from Europe.
Of course, you had played overseas and you played for
some pretty good teams. To tells Romico in Spain, Olympiacos
(19:51):
obviously increased. So these are legendary programs are over Europe.
You come over to a program that's already established with
the Spurs. What was the biggest adjustment for you tub
in terms of going to the NBA this hugely that
covers the entire continent with thirty teams. Well, just the
main thing, how can I earn my spot and be
(20:12):
useful for the team? Just put whatever if I got
to you know, take fols, play defense, run the floor
or whatever. Uh. I knew that there is like every
every night there is a big challenge, like you get
to go shock. Yeah, how our there every night was
(20:33):
like that. So I was like really excited or I'm
motivated for for that reason. I'm just trying to help
the team And when you go, I mean I got
these three guys on the team like, Okay, they're gonna score,
and I got to be helping if they helped too much.
So you remember their Western Finals against Utah oh seven,
(20:58):
So they started helping from my guy. So I was ready.
I knew perfect all the spots were gonna play under
the basket, trying to hide, trying to see where they're
gonna trying to sneak, and trying to play better D
on T D and TV. I knew the guys they're
gonna pass me the ball, so that that was just
being ready is the main thing that gets you the
(21:19):
spot in the league. It seems like a small skill,
but you had good hands and that really helped you
because as you're roaming the baseline, those guys are occupying defenders,
you were able to get some amazing pockets inside. Burn'ture
when I got I got signed by the Whizzards. So
one of the players told me, why are you shooting?
I mean, you practice every day, like you know, hooping
(21:42):
about around the basket, hooks, running hooks and layups every day,
but you just take like two or three shots in
the game. And I said, well, I got to be
like ready because if I get three shots, maybe I
won't get anymore, so I got to score those three.
That was my my idea, you know, trying to just
(22:03):
be efficient as I can be. Of course, you're a
teammate with Mono on the UH Argentina national team, a
team that is absolutely legendary in Fever. And by the way,
congratulations because in just a few years ago you were
inducted into the Fevera Hall of Fame. And I think
that that's a that's probably very very special for you.
(22:24):
And to be part of that whole generation of great
basketball players in Argentina, Yes, was a big honor. You know,
the same night it was inducted, a long summer morning
piccolin artist from Puerto Rico that I don't know if
there is another player, I took so many moves that
(22:44):
I copy him, I mean like copy up all the moves,
you know how. And I told the story like I
used to watch all the your videos to see all
your moves, you know, food work, and well, I was
in the whole inducted in this same year that he
wasn't getting inducted, So it was like a really big
onor for me being with those guys and and the morning,
(23:08):
you know, we were talking and told me, oh, you
two we got a good fights. And you know when
we're playing NBA or and that recognition is like I
never s called like you know, every every game or
but when you get that feeling for another player is
like really good, really good when they're recognized that, I mean,
(23:30):
you did good things. I don't know, maybe exceptional, like
you know, scoring eighty points. But there's there's so many
things that you can do to impact the game. You
had so many cool teammates and obviously Mono when you
were very close, But who are your other favorite teammates
wore the guys that you lose to spend time with
off the floor maybe during your period of time of
(23:51):
the Spurs. Well, I got great stories and I was
really fun of most of them. I didn't tell them
not not honor mother. Every every day that I see
or share any moment I get surprised. It's like the
guy who gonna overwhelmed, like uh doing like a magic
(24:12):
or story or some crazy comments some nerve culture Ambelio Umblio,
so much fun brand is you know another guy that
coming from the music globe in the Seattle seen grunch bands.
You know, we've got so much connection over there and
talking and most of the time with all these guys,
(24:35):
we don't talk about basketball. We just talk about different topics.
And I think it's when when you start getting the
connection on not playing with Robert Horry, Nick Van Exel. Uh.
You know I used to you know, if I was
practicing or shooting with left I'm going to call that
Nick Van excellent, and you know what your problem something
And all of the sudden I'm playing with him. So
(24:59):
some realistic yeah, good good teammates. Hey, this reminds me
of a story. I was interviewing you before gaming Utah
one time and I was asking you about how fans
are rally and certain arenas and Utah is known to
be kind of a tough crowd, and you just started
laughing and you said, this is nothing compared to playing.
Increase Um share just a story or two about the
crazy fans increase when you're playing over there. Well, really fun.
(25:23):
I love that energy on the arenas. Um you know,
just people throwing the car keys, so the house keys,
you know, they're just throwing that you can see in
the control table like a mountain of keys and different phones.
You remember the old brand that with a little cover.
(25:45):
It was like almost a brick when you see like
you know, rotten eggs. Uh, oh, my god, was really fun,
really fun playing with that, you know. Still, yes, I
was talking with Toddler, uh that I play over there
in Greece after cross Path when he was playing with
the bulls. But great experience, just you know, trying to adapt,
(26:11):
trying to see when they maybe you were running a
fast break and you're gonna see a firework, you know,
just landing and blowing in the middle of a firecracker.
Crazy like big ones, but amazing experience. Also in Spain,
you know, the respect and that was my first year
(26:33):
in Greece. Always like Olympia, got fun and I wish
I could be like more mature to show more my game.
Always thankful, always texting me or you know, sending social
media messages. I believe you were. You were. We were
talking about great teammates. Well I can't. I got to
(26:55):
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You mentioned music earlier. I just want to touch on
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your house, I understand, and you have some guitars. Uh,
your relationship with music just kind of bring us update
with what you're doing with your music. Yes, well, now
(28:06):
that I moved to Texas, it's like the band kind
of polls right now. But for you're always trying to
learn different instruments or you know, keep playing guitar. I
got the same feeling like I mean, you you traveled
with the guitar and maybe you're still doing it. You
still do a little bit here area, Yeah, but you
(28:27):
know when when you got that connection and you can
play and start doing some home stuff, it's really fun.
I love to write. I love to read a lot,
and that's the main thing, like concern right now. Hopefully
soon enough, A'm gonna be playing in the band. Uh.
Still crazy in love with learning about the boys and singing. Uh.
(28:51):
I might need a couple of years more to be
like the delivery that I want to be. But it's
a completely different role that being setting screens and you know,
passing the ball, like being a lead singer. You know that,
you know that, yeah, absolutely? And now Uly, you sing
in English and in Spanish, try to okay, that's because
(29:13):
you know, sometimes I don't know if your musical mind
is an English or in Spanish right now, and maybe
both trying to be both. I mean, I got song
that I wrote in English, maybe singing in Spanish. That's
that's the way that you've got to be creative. But
we got to find some jump session. You're expert level.
(29:38):
I write more than I play. I think you're a
better player than I am. But I like that, I
like the I like that something a couple of songs, Okay,
we'll write a couple of tunes together that that that
that's a deal. Or any of your music available can
go someone go on Spotify and here some Fabriceilberto or
not well in New Indians still on Spotify. We haven't
played together the last two years, but the music stayed there.
(30:03):
Hopefully in neck well three, we wanna start jumming. And
you know, the technology also got much better that you
can you know through the like we're doing right now,
you can play now. You've got like musician bands connected
and no delayed. So hopefully we're gonna start doing something
when I get back, and they're planning to maybe come
(30:27):
at some point, so we would see, we will see
what happened with the music. Well, we'll keep us supposed
to for sure before we let you go. Your broadcasting
career is don't going very well. You're doing a lot
of stuff internationally and you're working with my good buddy
Publio Paul Castro join Spurs games in Spanish. Yes, out
of the well, we're gonna we're gonna start doing you
know in in Spanish. It's a great experience and also, uh,
(30:52):
you can see the team relayed. Also you guys, I
mean so many guys doing it and not afraid to
you know, call runnalyst at for the broadcast and try
different things. Really fun, really fun and enjoyed and also
learning a lot. I mean, you guys are pro so
I get to take advantage of that. For Bricio at
(31:13):
the end of your career, you had a hard issue
April fabulation. How is that going along? How are you
feeling that you look great? Well? Thank you so far
great and all the test holters that I'm doing, and
you know, keeping in touch with the doctors, writing a
lot of cycling with Manuan TV, all the guys over
(31:35):
there with the group, it's unbelievable. So if I can
do that with those crazy guys that they you know,
the rhythm that I always tell this kind of joke,
but it's not so far from the reality. It's like
it's like when we start writing, it's like we stole
the bikes. The speed that we're trying to maintain. It's crazy. Well,
(31:58):
it's it's so good that you are able to stay
in touch with those guys. I'm so happy that you're
still in San Antonio and doing all your stuff, your music,
you're broadcasting. Uh, it's been a lot of fun to
cover your career. Fabricio Alberto member of the Feeble Hall
of Fame, NBA champion, gold medal winner, broadcaster, singer, songwriter,
a little bit of everything, truly a man of the world.
(32:18):
This podcast is by H. G. B Uh saunto Spurs
Podcast fad. Thank you. We'll see you next time on
saunto Spurs Podcast.
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