The Spirited Actor - Paul Benjamin

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to the Spirited Actor Podcast with me
Tracy Moore. I was a casting director for film and
TV and commercials for over thirty years. I transition to
a celebrity acting coach after I cast a film New
Jersey Drive with executive producers Spike Lee and director Nick Thomas.
I audition every rapper from Biggias Balls to Tupac, and

(00:24):
I realized that rappers and musical artists they needed help
transitioning to acting. My clients consist of musical artists from
Buster Rhymes to Eve, Missy Elliott, Angela Ye from The
Breakfast Club, and Vanessa Simmons, to name a few. I
also coach sports stars and host as well. I feel

(00:45):
I have the best of both worlds. As a casting director,
I know exactly what they're looking for, and as an
acting coach, I can coach you to be remembered in
that room. Now I know. I know actors want to
get the job. I get that, but being remembered by
a casting director that is powerful. And now it's time
for meditation of the day. There are no seven Wonders

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of the World and the eyes of a child, there
are seven million Walt strike it. We gotta be a kid.
Then we we need to take time in life to
just relax, chill, have fun, allow your thoughts to just

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wonder freely, not dissect them, judge them, question them, be spontaneous, run, skip,
just be alive. We live in a world that continues
to whether through media, whether through art, whether through our voices.

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We feel the pain, we feel the stress. Sometimes we
have to let it go and just do what kids do.
They're not concerned about bills, they're not concerned about their
next check. They live truly in the moment and they
have fun today. I will live in the moment and

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have fun. Before we get started, I'd like to remind
everyone to look out for my new show, Inside the
Black Box. I'll be co hosting with the great Joe Morton.
Will be on Crackle Network real soon. I'll keep you posted.
Welcome to the Spirited Action Podcast with me Tracy Moore

(02:32):
and I am so excited, you guys, I stay excited,
you know me, But I'm excited because this is one
of my really good friends and I have a lot
of things to talk about with this multi hygenated creative
being that you're about to meet, ladies and gentlemen, get
up and put your hands together for Paul Benoni. What's

(02:54):
thank you? Thank you so much for having me, Tracy,
thank you so much, such a thank you so much
for being here. Man. I have so many things to say.
I want to start off you guys by letting you
know Paul is an actor that doesn't sit around and
wait for opportunities to come to him. Paul creates his
own opportunities. And we're going to talk about his TV

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series that he's created in a minute. But I want
to talk about the journey Paul and what made you decide.
First of all, you can tell us how you made
the decision to be an actor, and then what made
you decide to just take things into your own control.
So the journey of deciding to be an actor. I've

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always loved film, I've always loved theater. I've always loved
the creative process of being a character. And i'd say
around let's ay, about the age of twenty three, I
decided to go to theater school. I was a single
parent at the time, and I was laid off from
my job, and you know, through the grace of God
and having a wonderful family to wonderful parents. You know,

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they encouraged me to do what. You know, it was
very close to my heart and I was really passionate
about and that was actually acting. So I went to
sell Adler's Studio of Acting in New York City, and um,
it was amazing. I did two years. I did a
conservatory two years. I had to do also part time
because I was also living in New Jersey where my
son was, so I had to keep bouncing back and

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forth and juggle all that. But it was wonderful. And
then I finished did a few off Broadway shows and
then I realized, this is scary. Theater was very scary
for me. I I love I love the applause. I
loved the work. The work is phenomenal, finding your character,
going deep into it, doing the research and creating experiences

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that I never had before, but that the character already had.
So I had to create those experiences. And then I
just stopped doing theater, and uh, I really wanted to
go right into film and TV on camera. And I
got lucky. I had a lot of friends that were
already doing production, but they weren't actors, but they introduced
me to the right people. I got a I got

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a manager. He helped me, you know, submit and he
got me into the room and I did some TV shows,
I did commercials, I did everything, and then at one
point I stopped doing you know, the supporting and featured
roles or the background roles. And I really wanted to
do leads. I really wanted to have more than five lines.
I really wanted to dig deep and use the craft

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I had in the education I got from stell Adler.
And I submitted for some roles. And what really woke
me up was I was submitted for a role to
play in Egyptian and I walked into the room I
nailed it. I mean, the cast of director was like,
that's wonderful, and but she had something in her that
was like you it was a great performance, but you're

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not it. Say anyhow, I leave. I get a phone
call from my manager as soon as I get downstairs
onto the street and he's like, yeah, the cast director
called me. I was like, oh, great, so that I
get a part and he's like no, he's she's actually
upset with me. And I'm like why And he said
that they were expecting an Egyptian and I didn't look Egyptian.
Enough and I was too ethnically ambiguous. And this is

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the first time I ever heard this terminology, ethnically ambiguous.
And this must have been maybe six seven years ago,
where you know, if you were Italian, they wanted you
to be Italian. If you're black, you're black. If you're Hispanic,
Ari Hispanic, but someone like me that looks different. I
didn't have a beard at the time either, and I
guess they were expecting someone with a beard. I was
really drawn back from that, and then I started, you know,

(06:28):
he was putting out you were white, I mean ethnically ambiguous. Well,
I mean, I know that's the terminology. But what was
she so offended by. I don't know. I think she
just was wanting. She wanted the stereotypical Egyptian was darker
skin and a bigger beard and darker eyes and very
very curly hair, which I didn't have. So my manager

(06:50):
put me off for a few more commissions and a
few more casting calls, and I wasn't getting the parts.
But I was nailing. I know I was nailing. I
was getting feedback and I was even getting else from
the cast, and director is saying thank you for coming in,
thank you for your rendition, thank you for your performance,
and we'd like to just keep in touch with you.
And I did. I I still send out emails to them, Um,
I know some of their birthdays. I send birthday cards

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and flowers. Oh yeah, this industry is relationships. You could
have the talent, you could work, you could work extremely
hard in it, but it's relationships and how are they
always going to remember you? So I wasn't getting the parts.
So I was like, wow, is it because the way
I look, the way I care myself? Sometimes you know

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it's It's true. It's the look. It's the look and
that you get into the room. They want to see
the look. So I was having to talk with my
father one day and he's like, you're a writer, write something,
write something, anything, and go do it. He didn't really
know how hard it is to really to put put
a production together. But I wrote something, and I wrote
a short film, and I got on touch of my

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friends who were in production and they're the ones that
helped me put it together. And my father helped the
start of the funding process. I did a go fund
to me and we did the film, me and my friends,
and we made it into so many film festivals, I
mean seven eight film festivals around the world, and the
story also is about Christian persecution, and we were able

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to actually, after the film festival, start to take it
to Toronto, take it to Bermuda, take it to Princeton,
New Jersey, take it to New York City, and actually
turn into a discussion in front of the audience and
take questions and really discuss what the story was about
and what message we want to get across. And then
that really opened me up to realize, you know what,

(08:35):
I'm going to write things for me and for my friends.
I'm going to produce them. I'm going to do it
the way I want to do it. I'm gonna tell
stories that are not on TV. I'm gonna tell stories
that are not in the theaters, and I'm going to
get more nose than yeses. But at the end of
the day, I'll be able to sleep at night and
I will I know I'm making content that is memorable
and has an impact in this world, and that's going

(08:57):
to contribute to my legacy. I always tell my son
and was around me every day, you have to contribute
to your legacy any means. So that's where kicks and
Losers came in, and I want to kick it up
here because you're going to tell him about Kicks and
Losers than give up some history, because you guys, Paul
is a sneaker head expert. I've learned. Let me tell you.

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We were at it was New Year's Eve and we
were at Pepper, Sandy from Salt and Pepper. We were
at her house for New Year's Eve, and they were
like premiering Paul's pilot. It wasn't called Kicks and Losers
in right, it was No, it wasn't. It was another title.
It was another title. Yeah, because I was like, I'm

(09:42):
so into Kicks the Losers. I forgot what the title was.
That's all good. It's all good, guys. They played his
I sat, you know, right in front. I could not
leave after this was over. I felt it was fin
responsibility to at least introduced Paul to people who I
know we're in powerful positions to help fall with this show.

(10:05):
It's brilliant. It's you. I didn't know the sneaker world. Calvin,
who works with us on the show, he had a
store called Jordan's Heads, and that's where I learned about
sneakers because I was sitting in the store with him.
All these guys come in and women talking about sneakers.
But it's a culture, and that's what I learned, that
sneaker head is some whole other thing. But Paul tell

(10:26):
us about the culture and then tell us about kicks
and losers. I'm telling you, guys, this show us brilliant, brilliant.
So the sneaker culture has definitely developed and evolved greatly,
i'd say since I actually started writing the original concept
for it, and it just kept evolving. I mean I
remember my brother and I waiting on lines get sneakers,

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and then that turned into raffles just to keep the
buyers safe, because you would buy a pair of sneakers
and you're walk into your car and people see, you know,
the store bag with the box in it, and you
get rob Speakers are commodity. They're like a stock, you know,
and the value of them are constantly increasing. I mean
they literally have stock X, which is a sneaker stock
market which helps people buy and sell sneakers safely. And

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it got to a point where I was just learning
more about the culture too, and I was really diving
into it, and I really wanted to connect myself with
the right people, and I as an artist too. I
also I grew up painting. I really fell in love
actually with the culture. My twin brother is the one
that loves to purchase all the sneakers just the way
they are, and I love that as well. But I

(11:31):
loved the artist aspect of it. People like Dan Mosh
and Malcolm Garrett and other customizers that really helped me
develop the story and create the character and the struggle
that he's going through as someone that loves sneakers and
loves art and has to support his family by just
really believing in his talents and pursuing that head on.

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And you know, when we started making and creating the
series and writing all the episodes for him, I was
working with them out and Garrett talking to him really
about his struggles and the sneaker culture and what he
believed in, and we kind of embedded that into the
main character, Brandon. And then we also got Dan Mash,
who is an amazing sneaker artist. I mean, go on
Instagram type in Dan Mosh, look him up. I mean,

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he's worked with Lebron, Steph Curry, WWE wrestlers. Amazing, So
I had a chance to chat with him about it
and really talk to him and grab more about this
culture and the artist culture and the sneaker culture and
how they come together and sometimes how they clash. But
it's a really great culture and as far as it's
a loving culture, we always support each other. We were

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always we just find the joy of purchasing sneakers and
finally getting sneakers, because if anybody's listening and they understand
sneakers and wanting to get the freshest sneakers when they're
released on whatever platform they are, it's not that easy.
You get more, you get more losses they're called els,
than you get w's, which are wins, and it's heartbreaking.
But when you win, it's like winning the lottery. And

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as soon as they come in, first thing you do
is you open the box. You take a nice hard
with that of that's fresh sneaker, which is like, you know,
so potent, and it hits your soul. Then you throw
them on your feet, you lace them up, and you
go out and you just flex. You just show what
you got and you're proud of, you know, being part
of this culture of being a sneakerhead or sneaker enthusiasts,
it's really rewarding, but at the same time, it's it's comforting.

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You know, it's just a It's a great way to
identify yourself and feel comfortable in your own skin. And
I don't want to speak for everybody, because everybody has
their own journey and has their own few words of
why they love it and why they're so passionate about it.
But for me, it was just something that I loved
putting on. It's it just I didn't want to feel cool.
I just wanted to feel comfortable. And me, me and
my twin brother, you know, that's what we loved. And

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we got into you know, buying and selling, and then
we realized it wasn't for us. We're not about trying
to make a profit. We're just trying to gain the
sneakers that really you know, talk to us, and even
the old sneakers that came out when we were younger,
we're like, oh my god, the rerelease and we got
to get those because they're nostalgic and they bring you
back to the time you wore them. And you know,
we're in our thirties and we're just yo, remember when

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we had them when we were teenagers, and we go
back to the time when we first wore them and
how we beat them up, but now we take care
of them. You know, you beat them up, You're going
to hear it. But do you have Paul, I don't
I have? I Okay. So before filming Kicks and Losers,
I I was getting close to a hundred, and then

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while filming Kicks and Losers, I kind of hit this
road where I needed more money and I was self
funding the whole thing, all seven episodes, and I had
to start selling some of the sneakers because I know
there's a profit in them. So I made some, especially
when you hit um post production, because that's where it
gets expensive. I sold. I sold a few, more than
a few, actually, and I'm somewhere around between sixty seventy

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maybe eighty at all depends. I don't really resell my sneakers.
I don't resell them. I I give them away to
people that are you know, younger kids that love them,
people that would cherish them. My twin brother does the
same thing. My twin brother, on the other hand, Andrew,
if he's listening, he's going to probably laughing. He has
a room of sneakers a room. We've lost count we

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don't even bother counting. It breaks my heart and then
it also brings me to joy. But he has a room,
he has they're all in these cases, these clear cases.
You can see all the sneakers. So it's it's serious.
It's a it's a serious it is a serious hobby culture,
whatever you want to call it. It's love in it
and it's safe, cayless, and it's better than drugs. So
that's what we always ask you know what I mean, Well,

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that's one of the things, like there was this mystery
behind Kicks and Losers. That's the thing that initially got
me because your whole set up and the whole storyline
and the characters, it was very suspicious. In the beginning.
You're like, what is they showing? What are they selling?
And then it turns out speakers and it's like one.
But then you bring us into the whole culture where

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we can learn. With Kicks and Sneakers, you had to
build a deck. There's a lot of actors out here
that want to write or produce and do their own thing.
What kind of advice so tips would you give them
into doing that? I would say, if if you're an
actor or a writer or any any anybody that's interested
in creating your own content, go ahead and first write.

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And if you don't know how to write a script,
just write the story. Start with the treatment, write the story,
and then from there, while you're developing the story, you're
gonna want to create the back stories of the characters
and their fears, their strengths, their aspirations, where they want
to be in even twenty years, even if the series
doesn't go that far. You need to know this because
you need to breathe life into these characters. And the

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best way of doing it is always right something you know.
And if you don't know something, go find out. It's
part of being an actor, as part of being a writer.
Create experiences if you if your character is in love
and you've never been in love, go find someone or
in fall in love. If your heart has never been
broken and your character's heart is broken, unfortunately, you have
to break your heart. And it can be as simple

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as you know, as as many ways of breaking your heart.
Whatever whatever you have that you love and it has
to go away. Experience that. And then I also say
you're journaling. Journaling is so powerful. A lot of actors
don't admit they journal, but they really do. I would
say more than eight percent of people a journal. And
I remember in school we journaled our experiences because if

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I am broken right now today, I want to describe
that brokenness. Because if I need to go back and
I'm trying to understand a scene and find out why
this character is broken and how deep they are broken,
and I need to bring that to life, I need
to go back to that journal. So it's also a
therapeutical to write down every day how you're feeling. And

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sometimes if you're not feeling anything and you feel empty, right,
I'm empty, and I don't know why I'm empty, and
I'm confused because I'm empty. That you can always use
as an actor, as a writer, as a director, as
a filmmaker, and it and these experiences are for both male, female, anybody.
It doesn't matter a kid, it doesn't matter your age.

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These experiences, these feelings, these emotions are so why that
anybody can really dive in. And the beauty is our
brains are different from the next person, So the way
we bring them out and the way we develop it
is going to be completely different. And that's what makes
it extremely beautiful. If there's someone listening and they say,
I don't know how to write, it's okay, you just

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right as simple as you can google it, you can YouTube,
but you can buy books. There's the Hero's Journey, which
is widely shared around Hollywood. If you want to really
know how to write a journey of a script, it's
the Hero's Journey. It's a book. I would suggest everybody
to invest in what even if you're an actor, definitely
understand how a writer writes because it's going to benefit

(18:37):
you more. The more knowledge you know, the more you
have in your toolbox. Like you always say, Tracy, you
want to keep filling things in your toolbox. I can
always go back and start taking these things out and
using them to my advantage. And that's what makes and
our industry, these actors, these writers, these directors, these filmmakers,
doesn't matter what part of production and when. That's what
makes us unique, and that's what creates value. Value, And

(18:59):
you need to ud stand your value you're positioning because
when I met Paul, Paul just had a pilot. Paul
has seven episodes now, plus he has a debt that
gives you the arc. So he takes you through the
ark of the characters. He takes you through the arc
of the episodes. So the power that Paul has. A
studio would look at Paul and say, you know what,
we should partner up with this dude, because if we don't,

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he's going to do it himself, which is gonna make
him even more powerful. And you have the knowledge of
being a writer and executive producer, a director and actor editor.
You have accumulated a massive knowledge in all of these
departments where you can communicate in a way to these
studios where they will trust you even if you don't

(19:43):
have all of the credits that they would need. You
may partner up with somebody, but you're in a better
position than so many other people. Yeah, I have an
agent of amount of two wonderful managers are leading Susie
from Good Life Management, which are actually when you're at
this process, it gets really crazy. But again, these people
will come and find you and you don't need to

(20:03):
really sell yourself because your work will sell itself and
it makes their job even easier because they're confident in
you and they believe in you. And there's so much
power when someone really believes in you. Again, I was empowered.
I was really alone, and I was kind of like,
I felt like I was just walking in the dark
with sometimes in my eyes closed until I met you, Tracy.
And and again it's then I started realizing, Tracy, you know,

(20:25):
you're you're creating your own show as well. You're as
well as a writer, and you're a face of your
own products. And that's where I was like, Okay, where
I need help. I'm not just going to try to
figure it out. You do need to build these relationships
with people that are already doing it. And again, you know,
when my show was coming out, I was like, what
do I do with marketing? Okay, let me ask Tracy,
and you guided me, and then my manager's guided me,

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and the agent guided me, and it really helps. And
again it brings value to everything you're doing because you
cannot wait for everybody else to help you. You need
to do it. Especially there's deadlines. You know, that's where
it's really important to understand and self educate to become
a powerhouse. That's what it is. At the end of

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the day. Do you just want to be an actor
who just waits for a phone call? If that's you,
I'm so sorry, and not to offend anybody that's not
going to happen. Go create, and go knock down doors
and build relationships and keep working on your craft every day.
I do my A b CS like you've taught me, Tracy,
in front of the mirror. So I enunciate and I use,
and I speak slowly and clearly, because that's an articulate person.

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They want to work with an articulate person. I don't
care where you came from, I don't care what your
background is. I don't want to hear your SOB story.
They want to deal with someone that's articulate and that
they will understand. And they say, you know what, I'm
going to throw money at this person. I will invest
in this person. I want to work with this person
for years to come because this person looks like he
makes money and you can make money for them as well.

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And the other thing that I love to call is
that you know you have one of my best examples,
Sa Ray. She started out a web series, The Awkward Act.
They're all cut to Insecure HBO. And that's what I
feel like with you. I feel like timing plays a
part of it too, because you know, I had my
show for eighteen years. But I feel like we have

(22:11):
the first hear you guys, we have the first interview.
But I feel like after this interview, we're gonna see
kicks and losers on TV or school or something to
be like, wait, kids, is that Paul there was on
the show? Like I do, because this show is so
it's so well done, I can't even tell you, like
Paul really invested well. The pilot was so well done,

(22:32):
and that's what made me say I got to introduce
Paul to my friends and people who are in positions
that can help with him. Now, when you meet people,
you don't have to say, well, this is just a pilot.
You can say, well, actually, you have eight episodes including
the pilot, right, so it's like you have You've done
all the heavy lifting. Now it's just a matter of

(22:52):
the network or the streaming service providing that foundation for
you where it's like, okay, Paul, you have two per episode.
That's your Yeah. And even I remember when I was
we were having lunch of club about two months ago,
and I said, all right, this is what I'm gonna do.
I'm going to monetize it on YouTube. You know I'm

(23:14):
not I'm tired of just trying to knock all these
doors down. And you said go get yourself a sponsor,
and I said, no doubt, And we got ourselves a sponsor. Yeah, yeah,
we have a bunch of sponsors, but but we have
Every episode is now presented by nice kicks uh nice
kicks dot com, which is which is a big publication

(23:36):
about the culture. And it's funny. I went directly to
Matt half hill Over in Texas, who is the CEO,
and I pitched him and he's like, stopped talking, bro.
I showed him the first episode. He's like enough, man,
He's like, I would be so honored to be part
of this project. And it just it just keeps rolling
and and even we were doing a screening party and
sponsors are like, oh, which can we put this brand?

(23:58):
This brand, this brand. Yeah, it's gonna be amazing. It's
gonna trually be amazing. But it's such a blessing because
again I thought I was done. You're never done. You're
never done. Don't if you feel comfortable that you're not
at the peak end. Even if you're at the peak,
there's still another amount. And then there's people that you're
going to fight off. And that's when I reached out
to you. It said, am I done? You're like, boy,
you've never done, And that's okay, I'm not done. So
what do I have to do now? And you gave

(24:20):
me And I don't want to share all the secrets
because there these are gems. These are definitely gold nuggets
that I am still trying to master. And again, this
is a practice. You cannot master this craft. If anybody
says you can master it, you cannot master it. New
things are developing, Everything is changing, The industry is changing,
platforms are changing. But at the end of the day,
if you're a go getter and you are willing to

(24:41):
listen and just stop talking for a while and just
take in all this information and this again, you might
not have the means to do everything, but at the
same time, you could just at least try to hit
a few things and get a few things done, and
those things are going to lead to the next thing.
Oh we got two nuts. It flew by. You have
two minutes. You've already dropped some diamonds and pearls whatever

(25:05):
else you want them with the treasure chest. And also
tell them where kicks and losers they can see it
on YouTube. Yes, it's gonna be on YouTube. It's gonna
be YouTube dot com backslash Kicks Losers, and then you
could also go to Kicks and Losers dot com for
the director link. I'm telling you, you guys are going
to remember, Paul. You're gonna remember the fact that you

(25:28):
heard it here first. Mad fan. I'm a mad fan
of the show, and I can't wait until your show
is on, and I'm a mad fan of YouTube. I
remember I was in the first pilot filming for Inside
the Black Box, and I was just in such awe
and I couldn't. I went backstage and I kept hugging you,

(25:49):
and you kept saying your next and go do it.
And I did, and it was just recharging the battery
and just jamming it in my back and I kept going.
And a lot of people don't know. We actually filmed
the seven episode of Kits and Losers during the pandemic,
so not even a pandemic could stop us. We went
ahead and did it, and we even teamed up with
producers and a great cast and a great crew to

(26:09):
make it happen. We filmed the whole thing in New Jersey,
and am I just can't wait. It's such a blessing,
and the blessing is actually for me going to be
able to share it to the world. So I'm looking
forward to it, saying, ladies and gentlemen, is Paul you guys,
I'm telling you this is a dynamic spirit, super super hyphenated,
and he's an actor who said I'm going to take

(26:33):
my career into my own hands. If he could shoot
it on his phone, he would have shot it on
his phone. Paul is motivated, determined, like I mean, you
inspire me, Paul, Like there was a time you guys
were it felt like we were heading out every day. Fault.
I don't know what I was. Yeah, yeah, everything. Some meetings.

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Remember we would go meeting, meeting back to back. Yes,
and even before that when we first met. And actually
what made me understand directing better was when you got
me at the table reading with Darnell Martin in her house. Oh.
I love her, and she is the reason why I
wanted to start directing. I never wanted to direct. I

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always wanted to write an act. But when I saw
her actually take off that directing hat and become an
actor a little bit and fill some of the Roles.
I was like, Wow, you can do everything, and she
motivated me and she actually sat me down on the
couch and we were talking and I was like, I
think this is yeah, she's so powerful. She's one of
the guys together on the side. Love that show. So

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I'll reconnect you guys and so much more. We're going
to be back with the spirit of a podcast with
me Tracy Moore, and I'm going to give you some love.
And now it's time to give love. Always maintain your innocence.
I got a chance to go home to San Francisco,
California for my birthday. I got a chance to live
through my son Miles and my granddaughter Soriah's eyes. It

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was so fun to watch them sit on the trolley
car and as we were growing up the steep hills
in San Francisco, to see them clutch on tight we
you know, Grandma, we're gonna follow no trust it's gonna
be okay. Or for them to really enjoy Fisherman's War,
sour dough, bread sees, candy, red vines to take them

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to the school that I went to St. Dominic's from
first through sixth grade and then Cathedral from seventh to
eighth and then to Mercy High School from freshman year
to senior year. It was the best to see through
their eyes, their mom slash Grandma, how she played, where

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she hung out, where she got in trouble, Where I
took them to the first place that I remember as
a kid growing up. To see the joy and the
experience through their eyes, it's priceless. And to see them
see that I too of a person. At one time,

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I was a kid, at one time I was a teenager,
and it made me feel like I never want to
lose the innocence of life. Enjoy the innocence through a child,
through a young person's eyes, and feel the enthusiasm and
the excitement and the zest for life. Don't forget to

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look out for us on our new show Inside the
black Box. My co host will be Joe the Legend Morton.
It's going to be The Spirited Actor Podcast on Steroids.
Will be streaming on the Crackle network. I'll keep you posted.
Thank you for joining us on the Spirited Actor Podcast
with me Tracy Moore. I look forward to our next

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Spirited Podcast. Thank you