The Spirited Actor - Winsome Sinclair

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to the Spirited Actor Podcast with me
Tracy Moore. I was a casting director for film and
TV and commercials for over thirty years. I transition to
a celebrity acting coach after I cast a film New
Jersey Drive with executive producers Spike Lee and director Nick Thomas.
I audition every rapper from Biggie's Balls to Tupac, and

(00:24):
I realized that rappers and musical artists they needed help
transitioning to acting. My clients consist of musical artists from
Buster Rhymes to Eve, Missy Elliott, Angela Ye from The
Breakfast Club, and Vanessa Simmons, to name a few. I
also coach sports stars and host as well. I feel

(00:45):
I have the best of both worlds. As a casting director,
I know exactly what they're looking for, and as an
acting coach, I can coach you to be remembered in
that room. Now I know. I know actors want to
get the job. I get that, but being remembered by
casting director that is powerful. And now it's time for

(01:05):
meditation of the day. If you become a star, you
don't change everybody else does. Michael Douglas, I have been
very fortunate to have witnessed the success of several actors
in the business. Some have changed and some have remained
the same. When people achieve a certain success in their lives,

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people are quick to assume that they will change. I disagree.
I am a firm believer that people don't change into
something they have a little of that in them already.
What happens is that success tends to bring out the
truth to its fullest form. And believe me, there are

(01:51):
warning signs in their behavior prior to their success. It
is important to understand that this business is predictable. The
only thing that can remain consistent is your good natured spirit.
I will treat people the way I want to be
treated and watch the good things that happened. Welcome to

(02:13):
the Spirited Actor Podcast with me Tracy Moore. Actors, I
stressed to you to just right now, take a moment.
I want you to get your pen and paper. I
want you to get your iPad, whatever you need to
document this. You talk about jewels and pearls. I want

(02:34):
to introduce to you casting director extraordinaire and I am
so proud, so proud to be a friend, a sister
friend to Miss Winsome Sinclair. But I love you too.
Oh man, I'm already extending part two to you because

(02:56):
I know it's just so much history. We have to
they have to start at the beginning so that people
understand your legacy. They have to um do their due
diligence and looking up your history and knowing who you
are and what your contributions have been to the entertainment

(03:18):
business at the time when people of color were not
celebrated to the extent that we are celebrated today, and
just actors in general, but during that time, Um, we
gotta go back, ladies and gentlemen, because Winsome, I love
your story. Coming from Queens right, no Long Island, Long

(03:40):
Island on the train. I know it was a training
and I know it was a long ride our real
road then the subway. Yeah okay, So Winsome, let's start
at the beginning, like because you know, we talk about
work ethic, we talk about stamina of an actor. Let's
talk about your stamina and your beginnings. Oh wow, okay,

(04:01):
So I started out in nine, um, and even that
was I graduated in the eighty nine from family, um
go Rattlers, and what ended up happening was my girlfriend,
Um went to Old Westbury in Long Island, and for
about three months she kept saying, you know, Spike came
to my school to speak, and I have his address

(04:23):
for you. And at that time it just seemed so
far fetched. I was like, why would you give me
his address? What am I gonna do with that? Eighty months?
For three months, she kept trying to give me his address,
and I wouldn't take it. I refused it every time.
And Um, the other side of that is that I
came home and I was looking for a job. And
normally I'm someone who finds the job within two weeks,

(04:44):
Like I take a week off and then two weeks
later I'll have a job. And I have been looking
for three months and I couldn't find anything. And then
the Monday before due, the right thing, Um premiered Um.
She called me that Monday morning. UM shout out to
Deirdre and she said, get a pen and paper. I
was like, okay, and she said write this down. And
I wrote it down and she said, okay, that's Spike's address.

(05:05):
She said, I don't care what you do with it.
I just need to know that I gave it to you.
And I was like okay, all right, And I took
it and I left it on the dining room table
and didn't think about it again. Went downstairs in the basement,
took a nap, and when I woke up, Spike was
on Oprah talking about do the right thing for marry.
That was a Monday, and um, after watching that interview,

(05:29):
I knew exactly what I wanted to say, and UM,
I think about it. And I got upstairs and I
this this for millennials. This is gonna be really far fetched.
I got this thing called a typewriter, okay, And I
sat down and I put the paper in, and I
had my liquid e race there and I wrote him
a letter on my mother's typewriter, asking him for an

(05:52):
opportunity to learn. And I wrote the letter, I addressed it.
I borrowed a stamp from my mother, and that night,
when I went to bed, I said a prayer. I
got out my knees got ually I usually praying bed,
I got my knees. I've been looking for a job
for three months and I said, Lord, clearly you don't
want me to have a job. Show me what you

(06:13):
want me to do. And I put the letter in
the Bible I got the next morning and I mailed
it and two days later on Thursday. But the day
before it premiered nationally, John Killy called me and asked
me what I was doing this fall? Wow? That film,
that film became what it was. It was a love Supreme.

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Then it became known as MO Bit of Loose and
that was my first gig. One of my favorite movies.
I loved because there was a romance of black love
that we had never seen on supreen before exactly, and
it was so huge, and the backdrop of the jazz

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gave it this sultry nous as well. And you know
Denzel I had. I had just seen Denzel in eight
seven in a play called um Checkmate with Loretta Divine,
Um Ruby d and Paul Winfield, and I was like,
I don't know who that dude is on stage, but

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if he has a career like he has, you know,
so he like you have. Oh my god, you have
had the opportunity. UM. So let's talk about once John Killick.
And for those of you are always stressed to actors
to IMDb dot com, everybody, do your due diligence. UM.
But John Killick, very known producer in the industry. Um.

(07:38):
Once he asked you what you were doing, you showed
up and then what happened? Oh wow? So um he
asked me this. This was probably like in June, so
they weren't starting filled September. And I remember um getting
to the intern training meeting and I was dressed completely wrong.
I went to Bloomingdale's. I gotta suit I was before

(08:00):
and why? And I remember the a d um what
was his name? Oh my god, I forget his name
that it escaped me. But he looked at myself. No, no,
but he was Mike Ellis. He trained Randy Fletcher. Randy Fletcher.
Randy Fletcher trained Mike Ellis. Okay, So so Randy Fletcher
looked at me. He said, where are you going? And

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I was like, I thought he was like, you were
dressed all wrong for this, okay. And I sat in
the meeting, I looked around, I paid attention. I showed
up dressed properly on Monday morning at six am, and
God blessed my mother. She got up at four am
to drive me to the first location. And I really
applaud my parents because and I tell people this when

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I speak, especially young people, if you're choosing a career
path that it's not familiar to your family. Don't hold
it against them if they aren't as supportive as you
would like them to be. It is hard for anyone
to support something they don't understand. But my mother didn't
know what I was doing. Out the goodness of her heart,
and because she loved me, she on the days she

(09:03):
didn't have to go to work, she would get up
at four am for thirty and drive me into Brooklyn
or or into Brooklyn mostly, and I would take the
train from there to Manhattan if you were sting in
the city, and that was her form of support. She
didn't know what I was doing. She didn't understand that
we don't come from this what I'm saying. What she
was trying to support me, and she did. You know,
sometimes they're doing all they know how to do, right.

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And your hours weren't normal hours. So from four am
and you're rolling back in the house at like two
three o'clock in the morning like exactly what I would
try to get home by midnight. I could get at
least three hours sleep, but then I'm back up at
three thirty, getting dressed to leave by four thirty and
either getting on the Long Island Railroad and taking a train,
or if my mother could do it, she would drive

(09:47):
me at least to Brooklyn and I would take the
train from there. And you know, you're the casting director
and speaking of your stay of that, you know, I'm
like an actors. I don't want to hear any whining.
I don't want to here any complaining. There is a
certain stamina. Let me ask you when some um, you know,
I I wanna um. Let's talk about some of your credits.

(10:10):
Let's talk about um um and going back to mo
Better Blues. Um. You know there you have a plethora
of credits. Let's talk about some of your favorite projects
that you've had the pleasure of working on with talent crew,
because I know one and I'm like, rest his soul. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, exactly,

(10:32):
So talent crew. I've been I've been blessed. I cannot
say that I haven't UM. I loved I was was
I worked with four year because on their party for
twenty three years. That became a family. You with anybody
betweent three years, that's a family. That is a thing.
And that was a comfort that I realized a lot
of people in this industry are not afforded to be
able to go back to the same campus every year,

(10:55):
basically the same people, because he very loyal. Right, It's
like we have a short at hand. We were a family.
The way you think about the way you operate with
your family as opposed to strangers and acquaintances is very different.
Very It was like we we could read each other's
mind after a while, we think what was expected, and
that was a very comfortable space. Being a freelancer, that

(11:17):
was a comfortable space to come back to every year. Yeah.
You know, I never went corporate, so I don't I
don't understand the principle of going to the same desk
every year for the next five years. I don't know
what that is saying. I'm a freelancer, that's what I do.
So to be able to come back to the same
building for twenty or three years, you know, psychologically, it
does something. It's it's a warm feeling. It's like I'm

(11:39):
coming home, I'm going back to it's a family reunion
every year, right. And it allowed you that that flexibility
to go outside and still able to come back. Yeah.
And one because one thing that I was very clear
on in my in my first year interning. I'm over
of blues. I wanted my resume. I loved working for Spike,
but I did want my resume to read like a

(12:01):
forty Acos resume. I wanted to do other things. There
were people there who only worked when he worked, That's right,
and I wanted more than that. And I knew that
going in. Uh huh, you know, so that was it was,
it was. I mean, it's my favorite films. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
I have so many favorites for different reasons. You have
actors you to I am DV dot com went to

(12:24):
the Sinclair. If you will scroll her credits, that's what
you will do. I mean I think my first, well, no,
this favorite for different reasons, but the first one to
stand out was Juice and being able to work with Tupac. Yeah,
you know in his first film, um Omar Epps first film,

(12:44):
um Mitchell Marshaun, who is a now a brilliant comedy
writer in in l A, his first film. It was
a lot of first for all of us. Ernest Dickerson's
first time directing, it was just that was an amazing experience.
Right then to this day, I watching Malcolm X like
I didn't work on it. You know what I'm saying.
I'm still amazed by that film, you know what I'm saying.

(13:06):
And then there's like I love Cadillac Records, I love
Inside Man, I love everything that I did with John.
I loved Higher Learning, I love Chap. I mean, they're
just so so many milestones. You know, I had I
hesitated to pick one, but I do um and and
it's even better because you love what you do, so

(13:26):
even thinking about it, it is different because it's all
gives me a warm feeling for different reasons. Right In
terms of the talent um, you know, you've had the
opportunity to work with the Denzel Washington's you know, um
to um, I mean your list, It's just crazy when

(13:47):
I think about it, Um, Sam Jackson, Uh, just Steven Spielberg.
I love working with a start being say and Debbie
him and Debbie Allen that I was gonna that was
the cream of the crop. I was gonna say, like,
you know, there's a great versatility to your plethora of

(14:10):
work as well, and working with Steven Spielberg, Um, you
know I want you to because you teach, you do workshops.
I love how you speak to actors and give them
the honesty and the truth. And in your experience today,
we're in a world of self taking. Mm hmm. What

(14:32):
what are some of the preparations or advice that you
want to give actors? Because I prayed that actors are
listening to this conversation and hearing once again win some
Sinclair casting director also producer. But your stamina and you're
not an actor. So let me tell you this. Though

(14:53):
I wanted to talk about where we are, I'm gonna
want to talk about where where I believe we're going excellent. Okay,
So where we are is in the era of the
self tape because you know there are multiple things going on.
You can be in all places, we can cast from
all over the world, especially being in Atlanta. To Atlanta
is like a number one self tape market. However, my

(15:14):
challenge with self tape is I miss interaction. I miss
being in the room with the actor. I miss being
able to give the actor and adjustment and to see
if they would take it right. However, where we are now,
and I'll come back to what you said some tips,
but where we are now is um for the first time,

(15:35):
and this is something that I'm marketing myself for the
first time. In January, I held the casting session slash interview.
I was on Skype. I was here in Atlanta, my
assistant was in New York, my director was in London,
and the actor that we were interviewing, and we did

(15:56):
it all on Skype, and I was able to get direction,
get notes, make adjustments. Wow, where we're going. I think
that's where we're going. I mean I think it's yeah.
I think it's better for the actor a platform like
this one, even where I can say to you, okay, now,

(16:19):
change that, give me more of this, as opposed to
you sending in your tape right then you wait till
I watch it. Then you get the email and hopefully
you understand everything that the adjustment says, but if not,
then you send it back and I have to send
it back. That's a time consuming process. That doesn't have
to be that way anymore. We need to because of

(16:40):
our new normal. Think outside the box absolutely now, and
I agree with you. There's something there's there's a connection
and something authentic about connecting with actors in that room
and being able to give that direction and to have
that conversation where um in the beginning because I was

(17:02):
coaching people her self tapes. But a lot of my
casting director friends were like, you know, don't let someone
read it who doesn't know how to read art, like
they just had like this whole laundry list when it
first started. But I agree, this is our future. Yeah,
absolutely our future. Yeah, and it works. It definitely works.
That's that's great, anybody. Nothing replaces live theater, nothing replaces

(17:26):
being in the room. But if we can get closer
to um immediate interaction in real time, even if we're
showing social distancing, yeah, it's worth the effort. There are
probably some kinks we haven't thought about yet, and we'll
figure that out. But that happened with any change in
a new normal. Um. I agree with him. I definitely agree.

(17:48):
And you know, and the fact that you have places
like Zoom and Google that you can house more than
you know, five people, And someone was just telling about
house party that one that to see a bunch of
people as well. So okay, you heard it here first
on the Spirit Act podcast from Winsom Sinclair. This is
the future? How do they need to prepare for the president?

(18:10):
Continue to prepare for the president and for the future.
So you know, what I think people need to do,
and they were doing this anyway. With the self taping,
people started realizing, Okay, you need to get a space
in your in your home and your apartment wherever it is,
where you can do yourself tape. It can't be like
I don't want to see the kitchen in the background.
I don't want to see any of that. You have
to be professional. And the same way we looked at

(18:31):
your um your head shots to see if you were professional,
we're gonna start looking We're looking at your tapes to
see the professional You have your own lighting, kid, You
know you could do it on your phone. But when
you see the difference between a good um, a good
audition tape and a bad one, you know you have
to step your game up. Yeah, you're right. And then

(18:51):
I think actors just need to prepare for that that
get those things in your arsenal, because they're not gonna
be luxuries anymore. They're gonna be necessities. We are I think,
so this thing is gonna be around for a while.
I agree with you, Um. I also think that in
this time I have suggested things for actors to do.

(19:14):
You know, work on your craft, continue to work on
your craft. You know, Twinkie Bird and she has that
a contest on Instagram where you can shoot a one
minute film on your phone. Yeah, it's really cute. I
want to Yeah, well, my granddaughter has an idea, so
I'm gonna I'm gonna get sayah, UM, I feel so

(19:38):
fortunate having you on because they're um. Like I said,
your insight and your pearls are you know again, this
is legendary. The body of work. We haven't even tapped
into that, but we're gonna go to that. Um. As
far as classes coaching, I run into UM. I was

(19:58):
a little emotional a couple of years ago because I
felt like actors, we're not taking it as seriously. Um,
you know, in terms of you know, oh I could
take a couple of classes, but not understanding what classes
and coaching do. Can you elaborate on that please? Oh
my god. First of all, one of the questions I
always ask and you act actors when I meet them,

(20:21):
and I asked for several reasons. I asked the people
who are really good, I asked them, who are you
studying with? Because I'm seeing the product of your investments,
so I want to know who I have to give
the kudos to who are you sending with? That's and
then I asked people who are far more green and
not ready, and I asked him, I asked him the

(20:41):
same question, who are you studying? Ultimately, it's always the
same that people who are on it, they have an answer.
This is who I this is who I study with,
this is who I come before auditions that I meet
with them to prepare for the audition. They've got their
stuff stuff together. But the people who don't always give
me some sort of answer along the lines of oh,
I took a class last year with I'm like, well stopped,

(21:05):
that's the last class that you took, and which is fine.
But your hobby, then this is the hobby is not
a career, because if you're if this was your career,
like a pianist, this is your instrument as an actor.
A pianist who wants to get to Carnegie Hall doesn't
start practicing when they get the gig. They practice every

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day so they're ready for the opportunity for the gig
to come up, so they know that they can nail it.
If you are only studying or meeting with your acting
coach to get ready for a gig. Then it's a hobby.
It's not a career. And if it's a hobby, that
tells me something and I apply that. Um, if you're

(21:50):
a serious about your career, there's certain things you gotta
have in place, right, And how important is that picture
that eight and a half by eleven? Well, this is
what I say to people. People tend to come to
me as a casting director, which is what I am,
and a producer and they want to show me their
tear sheet and like, which one do you like? And
I'm like, it doesn't matter which one I like. Your

(22:13):
picture represents you when you're not there to speak to yourself.
You've got to be comfortable with it. It's like having
it's it's your rep when you're not there. If you
don't feel good about it, you'll never feel good about
the results. You'll never feel good about sending it out,
and you'll you'll always wonder is that why I didn't
get it? So you can, the picture's gotta sit right

(22:35):
with you. And there are certain things that are industry
standard that you should know, but you can google that
you know. But in terms of which picture of the
fifty shots that you've got, there's no casting director that
can choose that for you. That's a personal decision. You
might get advice, you might get input from people who
know about this. You know what I'm saying. So don't

(22:58):
get me wrong. I'll I may go over it with
my friends that are actors, like, oh, when I'm changing
my what do you think? But that's not something that
can't I'm doing that because you're my friend, now, because
I'm casting director, because my personal preference may be different
from twinkies, right, you know what I'm saying, So I
can't say for her. So at the end of the day,
it has to be what's it's right with you? Absolutely.

(23:23):
So when actors, UM, let's just go through an audition. UM,
I know that. Um, we're not live and we are
doing the self tape, but do you have any pet
piece with self tapes? Um? That stand out? Actors should
not do a couple of things. One, make sure that
your background is professional. Invest in You can invest in

(23:46):
a blue sheet from Walmart that you put you know,
you just some tack it to your wall. It ain't
gonna be expected, right investing. Invest in a lighting kit
if you can, right, we don't always have that, but
try to get as good lighting as you can possibly
get it. Also, if you are reading something that is
a dialogue, which means and you don't have a reader,
like I really think you should have a reader. You

(24:07):
absolutely need to have a reader, right, don't um don't
audio tape the other lines? You can. I don't want
to see you reading off your phone. Okay, I don't
want to see that. And the last but not least
I think actors don't think about this. You have to
treat your self tape like you're in the room. You

(24:30):
would not get twenty takes in the room. Do it
two or three times tops four and pick the best
one and lead it now, because if you were in
the room, it's not a it's not a fair representation
of your work if you were, if you shot twenty
five different takes. And because what it tells us also

(24:51):
what we what we find out in the room that
we don't find out from I said it earlier, find
out from self tapes. We don't know how culturable you are,
We don't know how directable you are. It right, you
took five takes to get it to this one. You
don't really have twenty five takes on set, and you
damn sure, don't have twenty five takes in the rule
right to make it as real as possible to the

(25:11):
actual situation, right. That's I love that. I love that.
Um that's a good one because um, I was doing
an audition one time, perfect example, and this kid, he
was stellar. The director was like, give him a bigger role,
give him these other sides. I gave him the sides.

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He went outside with his mom, came back in and
fell flat, and he had twenty five takes with his mom,
but he had five minutes to make those adjustments outside,
which said to us that, you know, he needs time
to crap. He that wasn't authent taking that in that audition.
So that's I love that. That's a really great point. Um.

(25:57):
Is there are there any um like actors that you've
worked on that have given you some some pearls and said, listen,
whenever you got a workshop and you're teaching or whatever,
make sure actors, um you know, know this or they're
prepared for this, because you have worked with all of

(26:18):
the industry greats, all of them, you know. I think
a lot of it is too, is in conversation and
in just studying their work, work ethic I think that
um something that I'm finding like. First of all, I'm
a casting director and producer because I love actress, I
love I just love their work. However, I I am weary,

(26:40):
I think is the best word of people who don't
give credit where credits due. What I mean. What I
mean when I say that is I'm weary of those
who are coming in that feel like this is going
to be easy work. That to me says you have
no respect for the great, the one to have put
in the work and the time and have cooled uncle

(27:03):
work for food. You know what I'm saying. You want
to know, you've you've been in the industry three years.
You want to know why you're not getting the leads.
I'm sorry, what alternate universe are you in? That's not
how this works. People who are great, they're not. I'm

(27:23):
telling you, every overnight success is at least ten years.
They've been grinding, they've been hustling, they have gotten more
nose than Yes. That's why I think it takes a
level of courage to even be an actor, because you've
got to get good with no how about that. You
know what I'm saying, So please respect the craft and

(27:44):
I and I, you know, and I had a UM
coaching session because I coach actors. UM, I have a
coaching consulting that coached them from the business standpoint of
the business. And I had one actor say to me
the other day, which is really interesting, I love he said,
I've studied here. I've studied here, he said, but I
study actors like Kobe studied. UM. What's his name? Oh

(28:08):
my god, what Michael Jordan's He said, I study actors.
You know what I'm saying. And that level of commitment
coming out of already a good films like he He
was like, no, I am constantly studying, studying, studying. It
will be a pleasure to work with that young man
one day. You will absolutely be a pleasure because I

(28:31):
and this is for all people coming in across the board,
young people, millennials, whatever. No one owes you anything, m
no one owes you anything. I work for Spike for
twenty three years. I never took for granted at the
end of one year that I'd be back next year.
I bust my ass on every job to make sure

(28:52):
I'd be invited to the next party. That's right. No
one owes you anything, And that's not just an industry. Um, listen,
that's a life lesson. Amen. Amen, it truly is. Yeah,
well yeah you had no No. I was just gonna
say you walk with tremendous faith. I mean I think

(29:14):
that just as a human pain. UM. I so respect
your faith. UM. And it plays in this uh as
actors like you said, um, I like the actors said, oh,
I've been doing this for two three years, like how long?
And I'm like, listen, I I can't even have It's

(29:37):
like to me, someone like Gladys Night is still performing,
like when you've got decades that we could have this conversation.
But you're prem me three years and everything is your
body of work and you should be involved in that.
I want to ask you because I would love for

(29:58):
actors to know is there. Um, can you give us
information to contact you in reference to the coaching sessions?
Absolutely absolutely? I mean, well follow me, follow me on
Instagram okay, and it's ws A international and I'm always
so this is what I tell actors to I am
always I'm my biggest marketer. I'm always posting about what

(30:19):
I'm doing with Oh, where I'm doing a commercial, I'm
doing a music video, whether I'm doing a film or
my classes. I'm always posting, so I'm even possible. And
then it gives you the link on w s A
International to go to UM book me so you can
book your session. Okay, good, I want I think that
that's extremely important. I think that UM when actors don't

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have a plan mhm, then you plan to succeed. And
so you know, because I feel like they work. I
don't even I don't know UM the coaching services, but
I feel like they come to you for you to

(31:02):
You're you're driving them in the direction in which they
need to go. And and also what I what I
say what? First of all, I tell them, if you're
coming to my space, know that I come from a
place of empowerment. I really feel that a lot of times,
and I don't I don't want to just inspire. I
want to empower, which means what's the difference between inspiration

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and empowerment. Empowerment gives you actionable tools that you can apply,
you know what I'm saying, so that you can make
a difference. Now, I'm gonna give you the tools. You
may or may not do them. That's on you. You
know what I'm saying. But I want you have to
know that I'm coming from a place of loving actors,
respecting actors, wanting them to win, wanting them to be empowered,

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and wanting to know, wanting them to know the power
they already own. You know what I'm saying. It's just
just you know where they standing in certain relationships because
a lot of times I think actors approached their career,
especially new actors, from somebody's doing you a favorite kind
of thing. I'm like, you have an agent. If you
are lucky enough to dre out a place where you

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have an agent, that agent works for you because they
don't get paid unless you get paid. Let me, let's
let's keep that real. Let's number one. Number two, where
do you set meeting? I tell them to set meetings
with your agent. You should be meeting in the top
of the year to to discuss your plan for the year,
and somewhere around June, July, August you meet. Where are

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we with our plans? Are we are we? Like you
need to make You need to have goals. You need
to set reachable goals and your far fetched goals. Because
I do believe that, especially as an actor and a creator,
and uh, you know part of it is being a dreamer.
If your dreams don't scare you, then you're not dream
big enough. I'm saying it's like if I go into

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the gym, like I'm if I'm gonna meet with my my,
my trainer, we gotta plan like what are we trying
to get to? And then when we get there, how
do we maintain it? You know what I'm saying, this
is you and your agent, or you and your manager,
because I think any agent or manager or cash and
director produce. The best thing that you can get is

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a smart actor. And a smart actor, to me is
one that comes with a plan, not only the tools,
but a plan with a plan. Amen. Well, I'm gonna
tell you what my plan is because I'm so sad
right now that we have to end this interview. I
told you it was gonna go by fast. My plan
is to have you back on part two because we

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still have things to tap into, stories to tell. Um.
So I'm gonna extend that invitation to you. But and
I accept thank you when some when I tell you
a plethora of information, I know that you, um, you
have given our listeners something that you on and to
really recognize and understand you know, UM, and I always say,

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this is a journey, you know, and you're you sign
up for it and all of these things that at
one point are gonna be great stories and things that
you're gonna remember, um, and no reminders of what your
stamina is. Because the difference when you're a working actor,
you're not hustling. Now you gotta contract, but you could

(34:16):
still be working on your independent project or something like that.
But it's different. So, UM, I just want to thank you,
thank you so much from the bottom of my heart.
Thank you for having me. Thank you, And I just
want to I want to leave them with one note,
like something you said, I want to tap into It
is a journey, and think of it this way. If
you're a runner, it's a marathon. It's not a sprint.

(34:39):
Get ready for the long haul. I'm picking up all
her diamonds today, you guys, thank you with So I'm
taking that with with me today. Um. Well, this is
the the end of our interview, but definitely not the
end of this show. We're gonna come back with my
favorite segment, which is the class and Session. So we'll

(35:00):
be right back with the Spirited Actor Podcast with Tracy
Moore and Winsome is going to hang out for class
in session. Thank you, hi, and welcome back to the
Spirited Actor Podcast with me Tracy Moore and my favorite segment,
Class in Session. And we have our spirit Actor alumni

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Lee and a motto. Hey Lean, Hi, Tracy and co.
And we have a new Spirited Actor alumni coming to
the stage, Sma Lucas, Hey Shuma. So right, we are
so blessed you guys because we still have in our

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presence casting director, director, producer legendary Winsome Sinclair. Yeah, everybody, Hey, okay,
you guys, So I'm going to read the slug line
and the action. You guys are gonna read the scene

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and then um, when someone is going to give you
some magnificent constructive criticism, you guys will do the scene
again and that and I won't do it at that time. Okay,
all right, here we go Interior Mail's coffee shop day. Tasha,
sassy and expressive, sits with her laptop and Chai Ti

(36:27):
latte getting work done. Incomes her girl, Jess, cool and
mellow and a tie dyed tank with some baggy jeans.
Hey girl, Tanya notices her and lights up. She jumps
out of her chair to give Jesse a hug. Hey, mama, Oh,

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Tanya notices a smell in the air, backs up and
comes in to whiff again. He jes you even put
the itter on today. OK. So I've been doing my
research and I've decided to go natural, and I also
decided to do vegan. Oh all right, Well, I'm gonna

(37:12):
need you to research and all natural deodorant, because baby,
that ain't it. You just have to get used to it.
It took me a few days, but you know I
don't sell anything you want to sell. Mhm, Mama, you're
in denial because I have never said something like that.
Did you stop showering too? Well? These soaps are not

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good for my skin and make my skin dry. So
I've been doing water beds and said I found that
if I found a natural scope, it will be good
for my body chemistry. M yeah, Jessey. Can't do that
to people, It's not right. So, um, I don't know whatever.
I'm free Williamsburg ship that you're on, but I'm gonna
need you to just bring in your choices and rethink

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them real quick. This was me really doing with best
for me. A man walks by and gets with He
looks at her and quickly covers his face with his arm. Um,
just what about Keith. Don't do this to that man.
You have put him through enough. Listen. It's taken me

(38:21):
years to get to this place. And I love myself,
So whoever's gonna love me is gonna love me for me.
They're gonna understand, They're going to make adjustments, and they
may make the ship themselves. Mm hmmm, um Jesus, Okay,
what about your hair, Jess? Are you keeping that too?
Not going? What are you doing? Yes, ma'am you want
to see that too? Well? I heard the guys like

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it and they think it's very animalistic. M not in
this continent, Mama. I'm serious, Tanya. I finally found really
something that's really good that I'm going for myself, and
I want you to be on a standing m Okay,
you're right, I get it. Um. It takes a lot
of you know, courage to love yourself enough to not

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mind your own smells. So um, I get it, and
I'm happy that you're taking care of you. Um, but
what a toothpaste? Are reading that? Because I met one
vegan dude and the toothpaste must have been dog paste
because I didn't think I was gonna make it. Oh,
I haven't found one yet, but with all the natural
rock food that I'm eating, my broth smell bad. M hmm.

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I'm just gonna pray for Keith. What. I'm really excited
for your teeth. Jess smiles. I'm going to order closic.
Do you want anything? No, I'm good, but you should
try to domit favor Jes nuts and gets up to
go until tany notices. M hm, so you don't know

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not no bra, No, nope, no bra. Okay, yeah, I'm done.
Jess heads to the camp there and seeing it was okay,
Winsome are props just like you know that. Good job. Okay, Winsome,

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I'm gonna pass the baton onto you. Well, I mean,
first of all, I'm gonna just say great things because
I love the choice of material and I think it's
super funny. I think one of the things in our
new normal that we got to think about is that
we are playing to a small screen. So therefore, umu,

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I want to get every Iliana had great energy, but
because the screen is so small, you're missing some of
it because you're seeing all the stuff that she's doing.
And but I loved her comedic timing because she need
it funnier, you know what I'm saying. And as far
as was not, I love the way she played the

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straight guy, like the dead pan, like like you say
the most ridiculous things. If this is normal, you know
what I'm saying. And I thoroughly enjoyed the seeing guys.
They don't even have any really bad note. I think
we just have to learn that we're playing to a
smaller screen, so every movement seems larger than it needs
to be. Mm hmm. Okay, so do you want them

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to interject that any anything too? Yeah? So so um Shamia,
keep the dead pan and the focus and maybe a
little bit more focused with for me. But um, Lana, Leana,
give me the same thing, a little less movement, because
I think you are naturally funny anyway, you don't need
all the stuff to make it funnier. Okay, So I'm

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not reading you guys. It's just strictly the hello, okay,
hey girl, Hey jess oh damn Jessie duter or not today. No.
So I've been doing my research and I've decided that
I'm going to go on natural along with vegan. Okay. Um,

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so I'm gonna need you to find it a natural
deodorant because baby saint it. You just have to get
used to it. Uh. It took me a few days,
but I don't smell anything. You're in denial because I
have never smelled anything like that before in my life.
Did you, um stop showering too? Is that still a

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part of your life? Or well? These soaps make my
skin dry, so I've been doing a lot of water
baths instead until I find all natural soap that's good
for my body chemistry. Okay, yeah, Jess, you can't do that.
It's not right to do to people. So um whatever,
Like I love me, I'm free. Williamsburg ship that you want,

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I'm gonna get just like reel in and rethink your
choice of real it. Um, he's really doing what spress
for me? M hmm. Okay um. What about Keith? Mama,
put about Keith, because that poor man, he's really he's
on a limb with you. He's been throwing up all right. Listen,

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it's taking me years to get to this place, and
I'm probably doing something for myself. Love. It's gonna love me.
They're gonna love me for me, and they're going to understand,
make adjustments and maybe even make the shift themselves. Okay, um,
he says christ Um, what about hair, mama? Keeping that going?
What are you doing? Yes, ma'am, um you want to

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see because I heard guys think it's very sexty and
very animalistic. Yeah, I'm not in this continent serious telling
you I finally find something that's for me, and I
really want you to understand. You know what, You're right? Uh.
It takes a lot of courage to love yourself enough

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to not mind your own smell. So um, I'm happy
for you. Um toothpaste doing that or no? Because there's
one beacon dude that I met and his toothpaste had
to be dog paste because, um, I almost didn't make
it out of there, Dania, I mean, just like right now, dying.
I haven't about one yet, but with all the natural

(44:28):
rough food that I'm eating, how could my breath my bed?
M Mmmm? All right, I'm gonna just go pray for Keith.
What I'm really excited for your teeth. I'm gonna order
a coffee. Do you want anything? Nope, I'm good, but
you should try to admit for your ye no h

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you got no bra just doing that Nope, no bra. Great, God,
hilarious thing, right, this is hilarious. Did you guys write
this Leanne? Wow? So Leanne has been writing a lot

(45:20):
of the scenes that we do. So this is the
second one that you bought in, right, uh, this morning
is today and then last week, oh this morning to
oh wow, okay, great, all right, wow, Yes, that was
exactly exactly. Wow. That was awesome, guys, that was absolutely awesome.
It's hilarious scene. I mean I like that. I like that. Um,

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Lee and you took it down a little bit, and
we I think what we gotta do is also like
I love actors to see what we're seeing. So yeah,
I understand what the direction is. You know what I'm saying,
because then that's why I always say acted, if you
get a chance, be a reader forecasting director. Yeah, rooms
an excellent idea. And Lee and you do that too,

(46:03):
write you and to Lisa. Yeah, they proper readers. Yeah exactly,
because you learn a lot. Yeah, you definitely do. You guys,
there was so much fun watching really absolutely, thank you. Well,
what I'd like to do whensome is get your gets
their picture and resume to you so that you can
have a file of our class investment. And then our

(46:24):
next session you'll be working with Alista, so we will
be coming up with that. But oh my god, I
hate when this part is Also I want everybody to
follow me on w s A International and I on
I G. That's all I want to say. Oh, we're
gonna reiterate that too. So thank you Shamia, thank you, Lean,

(46:46):
thank you to Lisa, and most of all, thank you
so much. Whensome, Thank you so much, and I'll send
you d to happen me y you you have to
be on like, thank you so much. Uh. When we
come back to the Spirited Actor Podcast, we will be
giving love. Thank you. Now it's time for give love.

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We have to appreciate love, our inner voice and our instinct.
A lot of times we don't trust our instinct. A
lot of times we have resistance. Our instinct will tell
us something and then you feel that turmoil and that
resistance and you say no, I'm gonna do it this way,
and then you end up doing it that way and

(47:32):
it's horrible and you should have chose their instinct at
the beginning. I'm here to tell you trust your instinct
and how you learn to trust your instinct. It's a process, right,
So I want to tell you today I was making
potato leak soup, my favorite, and you have to really um,

(47:54):
leak is a root vegetable, right, so you have to
really clean leaks. You have to really take time and
clean it. Right. So, um, I didn't get all the
ingredients that I thought I did. And when I was
going down the recipe, um, the you know laundry list thing, Um,
it said four stems of leak. And I had just

(48:17):
grabbed a bundle yesterday in the grocery store. And so
when I opened it up, guess how many I had?
I had four. And I was so grateful in that
moment because I said, I trusted my instinct to know
that I was supposed to grab that bunch, and I
obviously I trusted enough to believe and know that it

(48:38):
was the right amount that I needed for this potato
leak soup. It's the simple and the smallest things that
teach us how to trust. And we have to stop
resisting and stop believing that we control this journey, and
we have to allow ourselves whatever your religious belief is

(48:58):
to hold onto the core of that knowing there's something greater,
there's something more powerful that is orchestrating this whole thing,
and if we just sit back and trust in the
safety net, you will have four stems of leak for
your potato leak soup. The end. Thank you for joining

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us on the Spirited Actor Podcast with me Tracy Moore.
I look forward to our next Spirited podcast. Thank you,