Stephen A. talks about NBA playoff action. He also comments on the recently released video of music mogul Sean Diddy Combs allegedly assaulting then-girlfriend Cassie Ventura, and the arrest of pro golfer, Scottie Scheffler. Professor Dr. Michael Eric Dyson also joins the show to discuss President Biden’s loss of Black voters and the Drake/Kendrick rap beef.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
What's up, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome to the latest edition of The Stephen Nate Smith Show,
coming at you as I love to do every weekday
over the digital airwaves of YouTube. Usually I'm getting into
sports first. Usually I'm sitting up there telling you about
my book and telling you about my subscribers, never failing
to give thanks and proper gratitude to those who have
supported me, because I wouldn't be here if it wasn't
for y'all. But at the end of the day, I'm
(00:36):
in the news business, and there's some news that's popping
off right now that is simply unavoidable. There's no way
to slice it, and it has nothing to do with sports.
I wanted to clear right here over these digital airwaves
of YouTube that the career of showing P Diddy Combs
as we know it, it's over.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
This shit is over.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It's over in the worst possible way, the worst possible
ways you can imagine.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
These are the latest developments. Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Exclusive surveillance video obtained by CNN appears to show the
music mogul assaulting his then girlfriend, Cassie Ventur at a
hotel in twenty sixteen. In the video, Combs can be
seen striking and kicking Venturer as she tried to leave.
I have the video right in front of me. We
can't show it to you. We can't show it to you,
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but I'm watching this with the sound off as we speak.
She's walking down the hallway in a hoodie, y'all, clearly
trying to sneak out of the hotel room. We see
him come sprinting down the hallway.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
In just a towel. That's it.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He goes up to her, he snatches up by the
neck yanks her to the ground.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
She lays there still. Okay, I'm looking at the video.
I'm looking at the.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Video while I'm talking to you. He snatches up by
the neck. Unless this is some look alike, unless it
does some clone, is less. This is somebody that's like
permission impossible, like Tom Cruise wearing somebody else's face looking exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Like them when it ain't then.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
At all, Unless there's something along those lines, this is
what we're looking at here. And I see you see
the stills right there in the screen, and I get that.
But I'm telling you right now, i'm watching this as
we speak, and I've seen this video.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Now because I want to make sure I know what
I'm looking at. This is about the tenth time that
I looked at it. He runs down, he snatches her
body neck, he yanks it to the ground. She lays still.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Then he launches a kick towards her like he's kicking
a damn field goal, picks up the vase or whatever
she had with a kicks again, hits her. She lays still,
and then after that he grabs her and drags her.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Down the hallway.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
And then there's additional video showing him sitting in the
hotel room picking up stuff throwing it at her. Ladies
and gentlemen. I cover sports primarily. That's my day job.
Remember ray Rice, Remember what happened like twenty fourteen win
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His girl was in the elevator and she either shoved
him or hit him, and then he checked left, hook
her and hit her and knocked her face into the
bar inside the elevator. She hit her head to it,
and then she laid on the floor unconscious in the elevator,
straight up knocked out.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And then after that he didn't even pick her up,
and he dragged out of the elevator. This video.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Allegedly supposedly presumably seemingly whatever words appropriate with P Diddy, Sewan,
P Diddy Combs, this is worse. We saw those videos.
We saw the video from Atlantic City where Ray Rice
years ago. We saw that many times over. We saw
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the the collateral impact it had on the NFL, the
world of sports and beyond, because it heightened a level
of sensitivity towards domestic violence and showed that level of
awareness to such a degree that it permeates our thoughts
and our minds.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Hearts to this.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Day and age in this day, ladies and gentlemen, this
is worse.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I'm looking at the video again. This is worse.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
No wonder he settled the case with Cassie Ventura one
day after she had followed the suit against him one day.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
No wonder.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
You've heard about so many different allegations when his homes
in Los Angeles and Miami were raided by Homeland Security.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
This is bad.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
This is so bad. It's hard to put in the words.
I don't know how P Diddy recovers from this. I
don't know if he can. The only way is if
it's proven that that video.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That's not him, that's not him. It's the only way.
There's no other way.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
There's no other way, No, what do we haven't seen him?
Only time you caught him when somebody's.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Doing a video with him at a coffee shop.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I mean, at one point in time we were talking
about sex trafficking, those allegations him being compared to Jeffrey
Epstein or whatever. But those allegations, which he's emphatically denied.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
This is a video. It's not even a picture. It's
a video.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You see him sprinting down the hallway. Damn sure it
looked like him. To say, mission impossible. It looked like him.
It seems to be him. And if it's proven to
be him, and this video is authentic, and we have
no reason to believe that CNN, of all places, would
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air an inauthentic video flagrantly clearly incriminating P Diddy, we
have no reason to believe otherwise.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I think his career is over.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
This ain't to set the nineties, the eighties, the seventies,
the sixties. Now that shit don't fly, and this day
and age, you can't get away with that. You never
should have been able to ever, ever ever in life,
and sure shouldn't take a video to speak ten thousand words.
But damn it, it does compare to word of mouth
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or compared to the written word. When you see the video,
it's an entirely different connotation that comes to a different feeling.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I might suspect some shit about you when I hear
about it.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
When I see it, There's no way around this. This
ain't funny at all. And yes, that was twenty and sixteen.
Well you acting like that in twenty and sixteen. Who's
to believe you didn't do it in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
two thousand, ninete, twenty twenty two, twenty one, twenty twenty two,
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twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Wait, why would we believe otherwise?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I've had conversations with P Diddy over the phone. He
was an inspiring sports owner, sports team owner, was interested
in purchasing the Charlotte Hornets, being a part of a group.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
That would ultimately buy an NBA team. I'm not faulting anybody.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
All of these folks with this stupidity fault and looking
for people looking for fault at them because they went
to a P Diddy party or whatever. I've gone to
a P Diddy party. I never saw him when I
got there, was so damn crowded. But if somebody tell
you that's the place to be. And everybody going to
the damn party. That don't make you a criminal because
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you went to the party of somebody who was alleged
to be a criminal, especially when they want to want
Alledge to be there.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
At the time. What about our team seeing him in
Miami Heat games.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Hell, I took a picture with him to go to
State Warriors NBA Finals game. I ain't know this shit,
not this video that I just finished watching ten times
fifty cent walking around, you know, trolling. You know, where's
(09:19):
jay Z with? I don't blame anybody for not wanting
to be seen with P Diddy, not right now, whether
it's jay Z, whether it's Fitty, whether it's it's it's
it's one of his artists. I mean, this is the
con This is the kind of stuff that makes you scurry,
(09:39):
It makes you run for cover. This ain't words, This
ain't sound, this ain't lip service, this ain't articles being written. Nah,
this is different. This is worse than Ray Rice and
Ray Rice never played in the National Football League again.
(10:01):
Nobody's given him another chance to play football. His career
ended that day that video was released. Now he did
he got money that Ray Rice never had and with
his businesses and what have you.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
That's fine, but I hope he saved a lot of it.
This is bad, y'all.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
CNN Breaking News, they got it on video. Breaking News.
CNN has obtained footage of did he repeatedly beating his
then girlfriend Cassie in.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
A hotel hallway?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Beat her, kicked her, grabbed her, dragged her through stuff
at her.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You know recently he was trying to buy beet Did
you know that? Did you?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Did you know recently given the key to the city
by Eric Mayor Eric Adams in New York? If I
remember correctly, didn't he ring the bell at the New
York Stock has changed one time. I'm not faulting any
of those people. You don't know what you don't know.
(11:36):
You don't know something like this is coming down the pike.
You don't know that there's validity that allegations of some.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Of these egregious acts.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Now you start thinking about what sug Knight said in
an interview when he was.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Talking about how did he better be careful?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
They gonna get him because he's been successful all of
this time. He knows everybody secrets, and as a result,
you gonna want people to want to hide their secrets.
He better not end up in jail. That's basically what
sug Knight. I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what he was saying.
It's a bad day for hip hop. This is after
they invaded P Diddy's on March twenty ninth, twenty twenty four.
(12:15):
According to Complex dot Com, sug Knight it's a bad
day for hip hop, for the culture black people, because
if one looks bad, we all look bad. That's definitely
not nothing to chair about, he continued. But I'll tell
you what, Buffy, your life is in danger, he says. Diddy,
he's fifty four at the time, knows the secrets and
because of that, they're gonna get you if they can.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
It's through sug Knight. It's through sug Knight.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
This is bad, And I believe in the day and
age that we're living in, ain't no coming back from this.
You ain't gotta worry about nobody coming to his parties.
He'd have a he'd have a tough time with somebody
wanting to be seen with him in the Starbucks unless
(13:05):
it's sixty minutes to somebody, this is bad. I'm just
reporting y'all what I'm saying, and I'm telling you based
on what I just saw. Now, this is indefensible. It's indefensible.
It's indefensible, period. But especially if you love women, a
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daughter or daughters, a sister or sisters, a mama, aunts, cousins, colleagues, friends,
it don't matter. Inexcusable, indefensible, indefensible.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
What's the video? What's the video? Ain't nowhere around it.
Ain't nowhere around it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
When you saw this video. When you see this video,
you know what you're gonna wonder? On's he getting arrested.
It's eight years ago, and what he was doing was
so bad it's gonna make you say, why is ass
ain't interested? I take no joint in saying this. I'm
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a fan of P Diddy's music. I'm a fan of
his career. I'm a fan of the great things that
he's accomplished. He's always been cool with me when on
a rare occasion we crossed paths. But I never saw
this video. Ain't no coming back from this, ain't no
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endorsement deals, ain't no commercials. I guess in the hip
hop industry, anybody got a chance to make another album
or whatever. How many people you think gonna buy it? Damn,
(15:07):
That's all I have left to say.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Damn, damn.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Let me move on to golf for a quick second,
because it was something that happened off the course, not
on the golf course, more specifically the PGA Championship, where
world number one golfer Scottie Scheffler was arrested by Louisville
police heading into val Holla Golf Club this morning.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It happened obviously this morning.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
It's traffic was stopped outside the club after the man
was struck and killed by a shuttle bus. According to
ESPN reporter Jeff Darlington and witnessed the incident, Scheffler was
trying to drive around the crash scene on a median
in officer.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
To instruct the Scheffler to stop, but Scheffler continued to
drive about ten to twenty yards towards the entrance. Here's
sound from the incident. Listen up here, guys.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
If you guys guys stand back.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I'm I'm done.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
You're a game one, right yeah, guys, I'm saying back.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Here's the thing right now, right now, he's going to jail.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Okay, okay, he's going to jail, and it ain't nothing
you can do about.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Period. There's there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You can do about.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Okay, Okay, now do you I'm media reporter.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Okay, that's all.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I'm just I just want to make sure that's okay.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
But you need to step back from here.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
You got it, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Before I get my opinion, let me just say that
Scheffler was arrested and hit with several charges, which include
second degree assault of a police officer, third degree criminal mischief,
reckless driving, and disregard traffic signals from an officer directing traffic.
Here's a statement from Scotty Scheffler himself, the world's number
one player, who, by the way, has spent the lasts
(17:08):
spent like eighty seven weeks as the world's number one
player over the.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Last two years or so.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
He said, quote this morning, I was proceeding as directed
by police officers. It was a very chaotic situation, understandably so,
considering the tragic accident that had occurred earlier, and there
was a big misunderstanding what I thought I was being
asked to do. I never intended to disregard any of
the instructions. I'm hopeful to put this to the side
and focus on golf today. Of course, all of us
involved in the tournament express I deep in sympathies to
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the family of the man who passed away in an
earlier accident this morning. It truly puts everything into perspective.
End quote Scotty Scheffler deserved to be arrested. Let's get
that out the way first, a police officer is dragged
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on the side out of your car fifteen to twenty yards.
On its face, it seems perfectly plausible that an arrest
is warranted because it shouldn't have taken you fifteen to
twenty yards to stop while an officer was hanging onto
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your vehicle.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
That's on its face, it does.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Come with a little bit of trickiness, however, Number one,
it was chaotic out there. Number two, it wasn't just
police officers that had on those yellow jerseys that you
see on that screen right there. It was also folks
who were working to direct traffic. And obviously the PGA
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tour is there. Number Three, we want to act like
everybody gets treated the same. All I ask is that
we grow up and understand that's not true. You're the
number there. One golfer in the world, the police is saying.
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According to Jeff Darlington, who I interviewed this morning, by
the way, during my day job on the ESPN's First
Take airs every weekday morning from ten am to twelve
New Nieces and Stand the time on ESPN. Jeff Darlington,
my colleague of the ESPN, was on the show, and
he said one of the officers came up to him afterwards,
because he was the one playing it on this camera.
He said, one of the officers came up to him
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afterwards and asked, who is it, Like, who's the guy
just arrested? So they didn't know, presumably they didn't know
that was the world's number one golfer.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I'll tell you what you did know.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You didn't know that the traffic that was out there
wasn't just because of the crash or the accident that
killed the pedestrian, godrest his soul, but also you know
those folks were out there, was coming to the PGA.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Traffic out there for a reason in Louisville, Kentucky. They
were coming to the PGA.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And you also know that golfers because of course into
my colleagues at ESPN, guys like market you know, you know.
Michael Eves and others pointed out to me each golfer
is giving a car. They don't get they're not given
a driver, but each of them are given a car,
and on each car states the official PGA tour. It's
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got that emblazoned on the back. That is what I
was told this morning by my buddy Michael Eves, who
does a great job covering golf for us.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
He said.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Golfers are giving free cars for the week, but they
are not assigned people.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
To drive them.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
The officer is saying that Sheffler disobeyed his orders and
then dragged him to the ground with his car, causing
injuries to the officer and his clothing. Cheffler's saying he
didn't know the guy was a cop. The cop is
evidently saying otherwise, if he knew that that was an officer,
automatic arrest, automatic fell in the charge.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
That's the way it swear goes.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
If he didn't know, that's a different animal, that means
the officer didn't identify himself. I'm simply saying, what the
hell are you doing driving a car twenty feet fifteen
to twenty yards rather knowing somebody is clinging to the
damn car.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Why would you keep driving?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
So I'm not trying to pretend or act as if
Chefler's innocent. I'm just saying we don't know all the details.
What I will say is that the world's number one
golfer doesn't need to get yanked out of a car
right at the entrance of the event, slammed up against
their car, and ultimately cuffed and essentially perp walked.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I do know that I would not be surprised if heads.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Rolled with a couple of those police officers, because the
number one golfer in the world was treated that way,
and obviously that compromised the event. Now that wasn't the
reason the event would start for an hour and a half,
but ultimately, when something like that happens and a tour
event which attracts folks to its event, which is good
(22:07):
for the local economy, if that's compromised, somebody's gonna pay
a price for that. So it'll be interesting to see
what happens. I don't know if something will ever happen
to the offices. I don't know if something should happen
to them, because we don't know all the details. And
most importantly, I don't know if something were to end
up happening in the one of the offices of not
several of them, in any regard that we would know
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because they're not public figures, So how much intel would
we get about that if something, if they were reprimanded
in any way, it did seem a bit excessive, I
must admit I don't think that was necessary. But then again,
if you're pissed the officer off because you're dragged me
fifteen to twenty feet, that's how it goes. I don't
know what more to say other than that, but it
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was a shocking day of.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Events, to say the least. I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Coming up, Donald Trump appears to be gaining support.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Among black voters. I'll get into all of that.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
That means the black vote, what we're doing with it,
what we plan on doing it with it, what we.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Should do with it.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I'll get into that discussion with the great doctor Michael
Eric Dyson.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
He'll be up next.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Plus the t Wolves force the game seven against the
defending world champions, and the Knicks have a chance to
make it to the Eastern Conference Finals. I got all
the playoff action ahead, So stick around or go anywhere
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I got him for you, Alec Burks for the New
York Knicks. More or less than ten and a half points.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I'm gonna go with less. I expect it to be
a tight game.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I don't know if Tom Thibodau don't even put him
in the game long enough to get ten points.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
That's what I'm worried about.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
That's what I went That's why I went with less
for this with Alex Burke is just the way to
go right now. I just don't trust Tom Thibodeaux to
have him in for enough chunk of time in order
for him.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
To get more than ten and a half points. Let's
go to Jalen Brunton.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Okay, more or less than forty five points, rebounds assists
is an easy one. More because Jalen Brunson been killing
the Indianapolis coach the Indiana Paces rather okay, been killing
them all right, So you know, whether it's points and
rebounds alone, you're gonna have for the forty five or
points and assist the loan rather, and then you're adding
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a few rebounds because he gonna get up in there,
he gonna bang, gonna do what you gotta do. Yes,
it's gonna be more than forty five for Jalen Brunton.
How about Pascal Siakam for the Indiana Pacers more or
less than thirty two and a half points, rebounds, assists.
I think he's gonna give me a key pivotal figure tonight.
I think Rick Carlid is gonna go to him. Particularly
with Ognanobi out, They're gonna look to attack him. He's
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been struggling for a free throw line a little bit
too much, But that don't mean he ain't gonna give
you more than thirty two and a half with the
combination of points, rebounds and assists. I think he's going
to do that. He's a champion. It's a game six,
they're playoff, lives on the line. Pascal Siaka a champion
with the Toronto Raptors years ago when he was teammates
with Kawhi Leonnon.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I think he answers the call.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I think you take more in this particular situation, and
last but not least, ob topping former New York Neck. Now,
remember the Indiana Pacers more or less nine and a
half points, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Go with more.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Obi topic can play by the way he can shoot. Okay,
he can shoot. He could definitely finish in the basket,
and he can finish it in an open court. I'm
not saying it's gonna be a whole lot more than
nine and a half points.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But would I take more.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Than for nine and a half points with Obi Topping
instead of less, Yes, I would.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I'm gonna go with more in this particular situation.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So again, let's review my picks so you'll understand what
it's all about.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Less for Alex Burke.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
At the ten and a half points, more for Jalen
Brunston at the forty five points, rebounds assists, more for
Pascal Siaka with the thirty two and a half points,
rebounds and assists, and more of Obi Topping at just
nine and a half points. Those are my picks for tonight.
Check them out.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Feel free to chime in and say Stephen A, thank
you for looking out for us. We wouldn't have known
what to do without you.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Welcome back to Steven ay Smithshow right here with the
digital airways with YouTube.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Let's get to the end.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
NBA Playoffs please in the race out West where Anthony
Edwards and the Tea Woves beat the living hell out
of the Denver Nuggets last night bout forty five points.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
They were up fifty one by forty five.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Edwards left Minnesota with twenty seven points and was a
plus minus forty five in just thirty four minutes on
the floor. The t Wolves have now forced the Game
seven in Denver on Sunday for a chance to go
to the Western Conference Finals. Some key injuries of note
Jamal Murray's someffer, the right elbow injury after bumping into
Rudy Go Bear, and of course Anthony Edwards fell in
(27:31):
his back, but says he'll be ready to go on Sunday.
I was shocked at what I witnessed. Anthony Edwards is
such a stud. I'm gonna say this stough. Game sevens
are different. It's Anthony Edwards first game seven. It's called
Anthony Towns first game seven. Rudy Go Bear has only
been in two and he split one and one in
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each of them. And oh, by the way, Mike Conley,
your veteran point guard that Anthony Edwards loved so much
his career, in Game sevens are owing four averaging thirteen
points to thirty two percent, shooting in twenty three percent
from three point range, which is nothing to write home about.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
They're in Denver for a game seven. Now.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
The Minnesota Timberwolves defense ampst up like no others. They're
the best defense in the NBA this year, and they
put the clamps on Denver yesterday, no question about it.
And Carl Anthony Towns obviously made some jump shots or whatever,
but it was really about Anthony Edwards and it was
about their collective defensive prowess.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
They were absolutely sensational.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
They were on the Denver Nuggets like piranhas, and the
Denver Nuggets had absolutely positively no answer. The thing for me, though,
was this, I saw a whole bunch of missed shots.
I saw Jamal Murray open first half, he shoots one
for ten. I saw Michael Porter open, he was missing.
I saw Kentavious Carwell popo, but he was missing. I
saw Aaron Gordon open, he was missing. Is that really
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what you expect to happen in the game seven?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I think they make some of those shots rather than
miss them. With those familiar rims that they playing forty
one regular season nights a year, and I think that
Denver is gonna have his work cut out for it.
But let me tell you something, that don't mean they
can't win this game. They were down oh two, and
you saw what they did to Minnesota over the next
three games, and then Minnesota shows up again. And now
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that they've shown up again and they've even the series
at three to three again, they've never been in a
game seven. They've never been in a game seven. And
we're gonna find out a couple of things. We're gonna
find out about Anthony Edwards. We're gonna find out about
Carl Anthony Towns. We can't say we're gonna find out
anything about Denver because they'd have.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Rgann they defending champions.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
But we're gonna find something out because here's what I noticed, y'all.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Did you see.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Nikola Jokic just standing there. He wouldn't sit down for
a long time. He was just standing there on the sidelines,
staring down at Minnesota as they continue to run up
the score and just to obliterate the Denver Nuggets. You
don't think a three time league MVP like that got
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that kind of pride. You don't think a champion like that,
that kind of pride. Did you see what Denver did
and coming back oh to you don't think they got
that kind of pride, because I'm here to tell you
they do. And I think that Nikola jokicch is gonna
show up and he's gonna show up big time.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
For Game seven.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
But I think Anthony Edwards is going to show up too.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
He's just that dude. There was MJ, there was Kobe,
and then there's him.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
And that's a big deal coming from somebody like me
because I saw incredible talent throughout.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
The Evince Carters going into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
He's an incredible talent, the best in game dunker I've
ever seen, and he's stuck around for over twenty years
within an NBA career. One of the nicest human beings
you'll ever meet. Once the one knock against Vince Carter,
that that attitude, that umph, that go get it mentality,
that dog in him, he ain't had that because he
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was such a nice guy. And that's what we saw.
Did you see Anthony Edwards at the press conference last
night at the podium and you saw when they asked him,
did you say something to the folks in the Denver
locker room where y'all lost Game five. He said, Hell yeah,
I did. I told those motherfuckers see see you game seven.
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That's what I said.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I'm quoting him. I'm not cussing.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I'm quoting him. I told those motherfuckers see you game seven.
We'll be back. Hell yeah, and then got up.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
His attitude is different.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
And he wants it, and we're going to see whether
or not he can deliver it. Make no mistake about it,
because you know Michael Malone got something up.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
In sleep that he saved for game seven. He ain't
gonna show all his cards.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
But I'm telling you right now, it can't just be
the Anthony Edwards show. Now here's the difference. We talked
about supplementary parts showing up and helping out, but in
Anthony Edwards's case, he got a shot up first, because
you need his greatness to match that of Yo Kic
so it can even the scales, and then you set
the table for somebody else to step in and do
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what they're supposed to do. That's what we're talking about
here with Anthony Edwards, and it's gonna be real interesting
to see what transpired because I'm here to tell you
right now, Minnesota could lose, Denver could beat the brakes
off of them. But Denver has shown us they could
do the same. I'm sorry, Minnesota has shown us they
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could do the same to Denver. I can't wait for
this Game seven. This is special now. I'm hoping the
next team I talk about doesn't have to go to
a Game seven, and that's my New York Knicks. Okay,
because they headed the Indianapolis tonight for Game six and
a chance to close out the series. The last time
the Knicks played there was Sunday when they got blown
out by thirty two on Mother's Day. Okay, they massacres
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what they call it. Tonight they have a chance to
avenge that loss, and they'll likely have to do it
without ogn And know we he's still nursing his hamstring injury.
I'm gonna tell you this, Indiana has no answer for
Jalen Brunson. The way he's busting them harts Ass and
the rest of the Indiana Pacers. He actually should be
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arrested for a Celda's damn self. I'm being facetious, of course,
but Jalen Brunson has been nothing short of abusing defenders
from Indiana, so much so that you got Chris Carlisle,
a head coach, cussing out people in press conferences because
he ain't really cussing at them, He's cursing at his
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own team.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
They looked soft, They looked like they didn't want it.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
They was fumbling and bumbling the ball all over the place,
commit turnovers at every turn.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Jalen Brunton Meanwhile.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Crossover dribbles, step back threes start a stepping, stepping back,
moving forward evasive measure. I mean, damn, he was us
in their ass. Having said all of that, he can't
be the key tonight. It's gonna have to be Josh
Hart and Dante DiVincenzo. See, you don't want a game
seven on one hand, and I pose this to a
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lot of people.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Listen to my logic here.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Initially I was thinking, don't you want time to prepare
for Boston?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
That doesn't necessarily matter now, but Josh Hart and Dante
DiVincenzo are gonna be keys. Dante Divincenzo's shot is gonna
be key, his shot making ability. He needs to hit
those threes when he's open for it. So his shot
making ability is one way to go. Here's the other.
Josh Hart's heart, his guts, his willingness to go get
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that damn basketball, don't matter who's it up against. Josh
Hart got to bring out that game and him tonight.
Close out games are always the most difficult, and that's
what Josh Hart's gonna have to deal with. He can't
have three rebounds like he did in Game four on
Mother's Day. He's got to have the eighteen rebounds he
had in Game three when the New York Knicks nearly
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pulled it out and it took a miracle from them
hard from thirty one feet to save the day. We
can't put ourselves in a situation again. That's what the
New York Knicks have to do. Josh Hart, Dante DiVincenzo.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
They are the keys. They are the keys to the
success for the New York Knicks.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
You get production from them, not to shove aside heart
and steam, because you need his offensive rebounds he had
twelve in Game five. But you need additional weapons if
you're the New York Knicks stepping up other than Brunton,
because I think Indiana would be better prepared for that tonight.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Brunton alone won't be enough. Somebody else will have to
give you something. So we can get that out the
way too.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Now, before I go to break, I want to bring
this up about Kyrie Irvin. He's plays on the Dallas Mavericks,
who are up three to two on this series after
beating Oklahoma City in Game five. My man, shay Gil
Just Alexander is not disappointing me. Four straight games of
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thirty points or more, in which he's averaging thirty two
points fifty one percent, shooting forty five percent from three
point range, along with nine rebounds, six pointsistant two and
a half blocks per game.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Shay Gil Just Alexander my vote for League GAMVP.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
He doing his job. Where Jalen Williams at, We're chet
holgern at? Where's these cats at? Even though Dorton is doing,
you know, a lot of defensive work on Luka Danci,
even though it didn't work.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
The other night. Let's call it what it is.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
But here's what got me thinking about I might have
made the wrong pick with OKC and Dallas will probably
win this series. This kid gaffreck got hops as unbelievable athleticism.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
We got that going on. We got Luca sore knee,
sore ankle, different legs, don't matter.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
He shows up, he drops what he drops. We see
PJ Washington doing his thing. We see Derek Jones catching
Ali oops, doing his thing. But that damn Kyrie Irving
is just lurking. One of the most prolific scores we've
ever seen, one of the greatest finishers at the basket
and be a history.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
This dude, Kyrie Irving is just.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Going in there, flying in there for rebounds, giving tapouts
to Luka Doncik one minute, feeding Tim Hardaway Junior the next, PJ.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Washington the next, et cetera. Kyrie's a showstopper.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
And we know that ain't his forte having two points
in the first half, having six points in the first half,
stuff like that, Ladies and gentlemen, that ain't Kyrie Irving.
At some point an explosion is imminent.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
That's just how I feel about it.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I think he's he's waiting and the bigger the moment,
the more he will shine. And in Dallas for a
Game six with an opportunity to get to the conference finals.
Kyrie and Luca somebody that I'm gonna look past now.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
No, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Coming up, I'll talk to Professor Michael Eric Dyson on
what appears to be growing support of black voters to
Donald Trump. One line to y'all, I'm just giving you
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Welcome back to the Steven A. Smith Show right here
over the digital airwars with YouTube. I wanted to take
a little bit of time to day to talk a
little politics, and it is with my next guest. Okay,
and the reason we're talking politics today stems from reports
or polls that appear to show former President Donald Trump
actually gaining even more support amongst black voters. And it
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seems the polling numbers are not lost on the White House,
where President Biden will spend this week looking to reverse
an erosion of.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Support amongst black voters.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Biden plans to give a speech this Sunday at Morehouse
College in Atlanta, Georgia that will aim to increase support
among black men, a voting block where the President's support
has clearly declined. Joining me right now is renowned author,
best selling author, professor, historian, the brilliant, the one and
only Doc Michael Eric Dyson. My brother, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (41:02):
My man?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
How you doing? How's everything?
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Always great to see you, my friend, You the king
of media, and it's always good to see you in
one of your venues and to share this spot like
with you.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Well, listen, I needed your guidance and your expertise and
your brilliance on this subject because I need you to
help me figure a few things out here. There's several
polls that definitely showed declining support among black voters, going
from Joe Biden to Donald Trump. And listen, this is
where they are right now. Why do you believe that
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that's the case? First of all, do you believe it's true?
And secondly, why would you believe that's the case.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Well, you know the math and math, and as they say,
there is some manipulation statistically with some of these poll numbers. However,
the bottom line is there. He is I think disgruntlement
among many African American people about Joe Biden, and there
seems to be a corollary attraction and to Donald Trump,
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he has an appeal of what is that appeal based on?
Maybe you know, some young people say he's got swag.
They think he's the kind of person who will go
out here and will say what's on his mind without
having it filtered through politically correct language. That's one number two.
You listen to some of the rappers who say that
they're attracted to Donald Trump, one of whom says, look,
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he gave out checks during COVID and the like, not
understanding that those monies were released by an Act of Congress,
not the president. But nonetheless they associate that with him,
and then they think he's got this kind of swagger,
he's got this kind of charisma because he's able to,
you know, be the kind of person that many of
them ideally and fantasize about being, tell you what's on
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their mind, tell you when to leave and when to come,
and keep stepping. More substantively, I think some people are
distraught with, you know, President Biden over a couple issues.
The Israel and you know Palestinian situation, the war in Gaza.
Some of them are quite upset about what they perceive
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to be President Biden's total capitulation to Israel and not
standing enough up enough for Palestinians. Although one must quickly
add hasten to add, what do you think will happen
with Donald Trump, who has been completely in favor of
every action that Israel has taken, versus the Joe Biden
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who has tried to, you know, apply restraints or at
least get Israel to apply restraint when dealing with Palestine
right now? And then I think some people, in regards
to their conservative values and beliefs, they you know, there's
a group of African American people who are not only
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culturally conservative, some of them are growingly politically conservative, and
they find some of the issues that Donald Trump addresses
around say, sexuality, around gender far more appealing to them
than they would perceive liberal cultural values to do. So,
I think when you put all that stuff together, there is,
regardless of the degree of mathematical distance between the polling
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and the actual voting of African American people, there is
some erosion of support among Democrats, and there certainly is
an uptick of support for Donald Trump and the Republicans.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
When you allude to mathematical deviation, educate the viewers out there,
Educate the listeners out there as to why we should
take that seriously, because a.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Lot of times so much is relying upon the polls.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
We look at the polls leading up to elections, and
it gives us an indication. It's not to say it's
always right, but it certainly is not always wrong. And
in this particular instance, no one would think that Donald Trump,
for indictments, you know, ninety one different counts civil law
suits and one hundreds of millions of dollars, wouldn't even
be in a position to run for reelection, let alone
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win it. But clearly that appears to be the case
right now. So when due to those mathematical differences, tell
me why folks shouldn't dismiss that and say, wait a minute,
look at what's happening here, Look at the momentum.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
We've got two eyes.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
We see the momentum shifting to some degree, particularly after
what you've just articulated about this current administration. Why shouldn't
folks take that with the seriousness they appear to be
taking that with.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Now, yeah, no, that's a great point. Well, even mathematically
and statistically, you know, they ain't calling like a million
black people, y'all. They're not calling a million people period.
When they do these polls, it might be two or
three hundred people. And then the statistical difference could be
an uptick of six or seven people in either direction
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will give you a significant change in the polling numbers.
So if you're talking, you know, and our brother Michael
Harriott who kind of explained this on Twitter, talking about
six voters made a difference in terms of registering, a
difference in terms of the uptick for Republicans. Now, I
understand that, and I appreciate that that's real. But at
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the same time, speaking enough to so many other black
people and hearing from them, I think it's undeniable that
there's great frustration with the Democrats and there is some
appeal to Donald Trump. And as you've already indicated, here's
a guy with four cases probably got more he got.
He got more cases than Pep Pep's blu ribbon, as
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they used to say, what I was a kid. He's
a guy who's facing enormous consequence potentially for some misjudgments
or criminal activities, and yet black people are certain amounts
of black people, certain segments of black people, certain slices
of the voter. It feels that he is the appealing candidate.
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They think that Joe Biden ain't on TV enough, he
ain't talking enough, he's not representing his viewpoint enough. Even
the people who support Joe Biden, like Plies. The rapper
right did an interesting video the other day is saying
where are you at? You know, we see Donald Trump
every day. He's on TV every day. He's being talked
about because he's got yet another court case or some judge,
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you know, imposing a fine on him or warning him
against speaking. In other words, he's sucking up all of
the media oxygen in the room, and the good things
that Joe Biden is doing, he's tweeting about or sending
in a way that doesn't get out to the broader audience.
So not only are we talking about a shift in
sensibility and perception amongst certain African American voters being frustrated
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with Joe Biden for a number of reasons, there is
also the fact that the messaging of Donald Trump for
free if you will, but also because of the enormous
concentration of media attention upon his various flaws. Is keeping
his name in the print. Now that old thing that
used to be, Hey, ain't no bad publicity. We know
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there is bad publicity. But when it comes to presidential
sweetstakes and this man and is still in the running,
that calculates that that converts, I should say, in a
way that does have a net positive for him. So
we have to ask African American voters, you've got to
be a bit more sophisticated about this. I think many
of us are. And then some have indicated, Look, black
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people don't come out to rallies, they don't do certain
kinds of exhibitionist political if you will, consent or partisanship.
What they do is just vote. In some instances, that's true.
But at the same time, even among the folk that
I travel this country talking to, and you do as well,
there is a noticeable uptick in support for Donald Trump
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that we have to grapple with and take seriously.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Well, listen, this is always good and it's always beautiful
to talk to you, my big bro, especially on intellectual items,
because obviously you'll wanted to high end intellectuals in this nation.
This make no mistake about that. We both have talked
about it, and we know that recently. You know, I
got so much heat, but I know a lot my
team and other people don't want me to bring it up.
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You know, I don't give a damn. I'm gonna be
who I am. And one of the things that I've
religiously stated, you know, I don't support Donald Trump. He's
not getting my vote. But one of the things that
I wanted to highlight was that you know.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
What we're where. You know you're in trouble.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
If you're a Biden support, if you're somebody that's planning
on voting for Biden, if you're somebody that wants Biden
re elected, you cannot just turn the blind eye and
a deaf ear to what is transpiring before our very eyes.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
There are black folks.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
In America who have turned to supporting Donald Trump. That
is just the fact and what I wonder, and I
say it, it's not just because of that that's a
reason to be worried about him getting returning to the
White House.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
It's also the fact that the level of support.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
That Barack Obama gone to not just once but twice
in terms of the inordinate amount of people emanating from
my CA community willing to go.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
To the polls.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
That wasn't necessarily the case with Hillary Rodham Clinton, and
I certainly have no reason to believe it's going to
be the case with Joe Biden in twenty twenty four.
I think that there's going to be a lack of participation,
meaning voter is showing up to the polls to vote
for him. You're gonna see some that just don't show up.
That's a concern I have. Is that concern legitimate in
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your eyes?
Speaker 4 (50:24):
Absolutely? And first of all, let me speak to that.
You know, you are a man of tremendous integrity and
huge authenticity, and you call it like you see it.
And the truth is that there is a there is
a troubling phenomenon and trend. There is a problem here,
or at least there is a trend that is noticeable
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that we have to be honest about. We can't stick
our heads in the sand and pretend that it's not
the case. That's not an endorsement, that's in an analysis.
I happen to be Joe Biden supporter, but that doesn't
mean I can't see what's going on doesn't mean I
close my eyes, And you're absolutely right. We have to
take this extremely seriously because, as you've so intelligently pointed out,
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Barack Obama had a kind of inborn and inbred charisma.
He had a natural advantage. He had house money that
he was playing with in a way that neither Hillary
Clinton nor Joe Biden possess, and that is the radical
and immediate identification of African masses of black people with
a candidate like Barack Obama. Now, arguably Joe Biden has
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done more specifically for African American people in terms of
the effect of the policies, the the rate of unemployment
is significantly lower, the fact that you've got a black
Vice president in office and a black woman on the
Supreme Court, not only symbolically but substantively in terms of
what he's done with housing and economic inequality, and also
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for those people who have received the refunds not refunds,
who have been forgiven of their student loans. So when
we look across the board, Joe Biden has arguably done
even more, and yet the messaging behind that is not
equally as powerful. First because he doesn't have the inbuilt
advantage of a Barack Obama. And secondly, because sometimes Democrats
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are loathed to get out there and brag about what
they're doing. You've got to get out there and brag
and tell the people what you're doing. You've got to
announce it from your bully pulpit as he Chris crosses
this nation on his campaign stops to talk about what's
going on, and to figure out new media, to figure
out social media, to figure out the old school stuff,
and make sure that you're involving the black media in
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your plans, which has often been a criticism levied by
people within the media. So when we put all that
stuff together, it is necessary at this point to warn folk.
Not after it's over. Well, I tell you I did
see this, but I didn't say anything. Say it now.
This is the time for to make acute analysis and
serious scrutiny about what's happening. So with the purpose of
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arming black people with knowledge that will allow them to
vote the right way.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Before I move on to my next question, I want
you to take a look at this post from Fox
News analyst Josh Kraushard, that's his name. I want you
to take a look at this because I want you
to see it, and I want to put it up
on the screen here. Mister Trump and mister Biden are
essentially tied among eighteen to twenty nine year olds and
His and Hispanic voters, even though each group gave mister
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Biden more than sixty percent of their vote in twenty twenty.
Mister Trump also wins more than twenty percent of Black voters.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
It tally that would be the highest level of Black
support for any Republican presidential candidate since the enactment of
the Civil Rights Act in nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
One of the things that I'm going to make it
a priority to do on this show at least a couple.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Of times a month, if not more, as the election approaches,
doctor Dyson, is I want to focus on the black vote.
I want to focus on the black community, what we
used to do compared to what we've done, what we're doing,
what we're doing, what we.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
Intend to do.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
And I want you to highlight, being a historian, that
you are the obvious answer to why the Democrats have
had our stranglehold on the black vote since nineteen sixty four.
It's obviously because the civil rights legislation that was written
in the law in nineteen sixty four by President Lyndon B. Johnson,
even though people from both parties brought it to his desk.
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But ever since that time, according to reports about Linda B. Johnson,
we do this and we'll have the negroes voting for
us for the next two hundred years.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
And at a time it certainly appeared to be that way,
and because of that, people have held on.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
To it and used it as a form of cynicism
to say the Democratic Party has taken the black vote
for granted.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
So as a result, we ain't going for the okie
doke anymore. We're gonna change this up.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
That's what some of the black folks, that's what some
of the black folks who clearly are Trump supporters are
now articulating.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
I want to know, in your estimation, is dear truth to.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
That level of thinking, that level of verbiage being thrown
out there by those Trump supporters, black and otherwise, and
how valid it is in your mind of an argument
for them to make against the Democratic Party.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
Yeah. Look, if you're suffering in a certain way in
African American people across the board, are as the brothers
in the streets say irregardless of your party, whether you're
a Democratic Republican, there's no question about that. However, if
you say under the Democrats you are frustrated and flustered
because certain issues are not being taken seriously, or you
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don't think you're being heard, or you think you're being
taken for granted, you know, it's a kind of Bobby
Woolmeck approach to this whole thing. If you think you're lonely,
now wait until tonight girl. Okay. So the thing is
is that if you think you're frustrated and flustered under
the Democrats, the reason the republic have not garnered more
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of the African American vote. And I'll tell you it's easy.
It would be easy for them to do so because
there is agreement outside of what I believe. I happen
to be a progressive liberal thinker within African American culture,
the masses of black people would disagree with me on
certain issues in terms of lgbtqa QI of transgender and
(56:23):
the like and so on. I understand that I don't
lie to myself about that. However, what I say is
the masses of black people who have to be conservative
would find it more easy to vote Republican if the
Republicans weren't so repugnant and repulsive in some of their
explicit racist manipulations or their implicitly racist policies or outlooks. So,
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in other words, if they weren't so focused on retaliating
against the fragile gains of African American people and could
find a way to make concessions in their own ideological tip,
a lot more Black people would be gathered under there.
Just because you're hurting in your left pinky doesn't mean
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that I'm going to go to somebody who's going to
hurt the other three fingers. You want to hurt less,
not more, And under Republican ideology and practices, look at
the je remandering going on in state legislators. Look at
the drawing of voting maps that are dissipating the concentrated
effect of black voting districts. The Supreme Court just rued
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a couple of days ago saying, I think it was
in Louisiana somewhere that the attempt of the state legislatures
and the courts to je remander against African American people
and to draw maps that would disfavor them is constitutionally invalid.
So this is the effect of the Republicans. They want
to gain every advantage possible legally or not, constitutionally or not.
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And I think that all of this discourse among Republicans
about steal the voting, look at what happened. The truth
is that there's very little of stealing the vote among Democrats.
There's a little voting in regularity. What we can point
to is the sheer manipulation of ideologues within the right
wing or the Republican Party. Having said that, I think
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there is frustration among African American people wing gonna be
on no plantation? Well what plantation you think you're leaving
and going to? If you're on a Democratic plantation, if
that's what you conceive it to be, which I don't,
what plantation will you now go to? You think you'll
be independent, you think voting for Donald Trump or the
right wing is something that will serve your interests. There
is no evidence of this. So while there may be frustration. Look, look,
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I would like the Lakers to be in the finals
every year because I'm a Lakers stand since I was
a kid. But they ain't in the finals. It's gonna
be maybe Minnesota, and it's gonna be maybe the Boston Celtics.
Who knows the point is your team that you desire
to be there ain't there. So the choices you have
are who's there, not this fantasy land. I wish it
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was this case, and I think we have to suggest
the African American people. Yes, we've got to sometimes bite
the bullet. Yes we've got to sometimes look the bully
in the face and say this is true and not true.
But we don't gain when we capitulate to interests that
have evidently undermined our community and not shown much interests otherwise. Yes,
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it's hard, perhaps for some people to vote Democratic and
to be in that group, but it is far more
difficult and far more paralyzing to make the choice to
swing in the other direction.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
Well, one of the things that I think, and I've
articulated that on this show as well, that you know,
people have had an attitude with me about I said,
I think you applaud the Democratic Party. The greatest thing
that the Democratic Party, or one of the greatest things
that the Democratic Party has done for the African American
community in this nation is that they were the ones
who gave us access to capital, because when you talk
about generational wealth, when you talk about economic empowerment and
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what have you, they were the ones that played a
significant role in facilitating that. And I don't hear the
Democrats spewing about that enough. That's number one. That's one
of the things that I said. And the other thing
that I've pointed out doctor Dyson is this, and I
took a lot of heat for this, but again, I
don't give a damn my stand on it. When I
think about Trump and the law fear that has been
engaged against him, what I'm saying is, I'm not trying
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to act as if the man is guilty or innocent
of anything. The courts will determine that and we'll go
with it from there. What I'm saying is, it's not
stopping him from being away from the camera. It's not
stopping him from playing the role of victim. It's not
stopping him from generating campaign.
Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Dollars, and on top of it all, it hasn't stopped.
Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Him from being the GOP nominee and the man in
line to return to the presidency unless Biden is able
to beat him. My point is, I don't think that
they've taken that into another consideration, and you're looking for
the courts to come to the rescue instead of you
(01:01:05):
finding a way to beat him yourself.
Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
I don't know how much clearer I can be in
stating that. Help me out here, help me out with
that message.
Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
You're absolutely right. And then I was thinking when you
were talking, you know, playing a little acronym game here.
You know, he is a G to many of these people, right,
not the GOP, just the G just in terms of
street discourse and OP. You're down with OP. Right, So
there is some grudging recognition among certain African American people
like Damn, I don't care what you say about Donald Trump.
(01:01:39):
I don't dagam. I ain't trying to vote him, But dog,
you've got to admit, he just don't care. He gonna
say what he believes, he gonna tell you how he
thinks it oughn to be, and he's gonna move forward.
There is something too many people that's refreshing about the
departure from a political discourse that is so riddled with duplicity,
with people not telling the truth, with people not coming
(01:01:59):
out in saying what they believe. Now, so let's be
honest about that having said that, you're absolutely right too
that people, you know, at the end of the day,
regardless of the charges he's confronting, regardless of the cases
he's got, he is out there every day on truth,
social and whatever other platform he has in the press,
(01:02:23):
when the judges are not trying to censor him correctly
in terms of putting a gag order on him, when
he keeps on in talking and offending. Now, it's reprehensible
in terms of the political substance and the moral substance
of what he's doing. But at the same time he
gains eyeballs and ear loves people hear what he's talking about,
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and they are forced to assess the veracity or not,
the legitimacy or not, the authenticity or not. And so
at the end of the day, that is a kind
of bullheaded determination to be heard at all costs that
is attractive to certain voters who say, I'm tired of
the bs I get coming out of these politicians' mouths.
The lion left and right, right and left. But here's
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the guy who's gonna tell it like it is. I
happen to believe that that is destructive for the country.
I happen to believe that he has shredded any ounce
of consideration for the other side and any ounce of
political convention that suggests we have decorum and civility in
a way. However, in these trench battles, it is. It
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is very vicious out here, and Donald Trump is throwing
mud in the face, sand in the face, using every
advantage he has, name calling him the like. And we'll
see what happens when this upcoming debate in June where
Donald Trump faces off squarely against President Biden, and see
what the consequences will be. But we cannot underestimate the
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various forces of appeal out here that mitigate, that militate
against the entry of African American people that they may
be voting for. And we can't pretend that just because
we think it's silly or crazy or dumb or unintelligent
or counterproductive or destructive, there are interests that it's not happening.
(01:04:13):
We have to open our eyes and then try to
strategize as a result of that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
When we talk about poles, you have some people out
there who talk about it, especially somebody like my buddy
Roland Martin, who would say, you know what they are
black poles.
Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
There are white poles and they are black poles.
Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Do you draw a.
Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Distinction with that? Do you agree with him on that
that these poles be could you alluded to its potential
inaccuracies and they haven't talked to every black person? And
then indeed is a difference between white poles and black
poles that actually exist out there where there's a palpable
evidence to show that dichotomy that exists. Do you agree
(01:04:51):
with Roland Martin on that?
Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Oh? Absolutely, I agree with nearly everything Roland Martin says.
But it is Stephen A. Smith. I mean, you know,
smart black people, smart people, period, but smart black people.
I take him seriously, so you and he certainly I
take seriously. But yes, I mean, and look, you know,
Martin Luther King Junior used to joke about this. It
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was common in the black community. You know, when when
the census came, a census taker came. The reason we
didn't get an accurate count of black people, Doctor King said,
because they thought it was the bill collector. So because
they thought it was the bill collector, they'd answered the
door and we don't get our census counted. That's still
a problem in many instances. But the point is, even
if half the poll is right, we in trouble. Even
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if you cut down fifty percent of it, we in trouble.
And we should take it as a warning sign, a volley,
if you will, across the bow, politically speaking, that we
got to do something. We got to get on our
p's and q's. I know, Roland, I know you, and
I know the most intelligent observers of our community after
you know, are often you know, sounding the alarm. I
(01:05:56):
don't care what them poles are saying. Even if we
say half of it is right, half of is wrong,
or it's off by so many percentage points, and it
therefore doesn't truly represent Ain't no problem, ain't no harm
in overdoing it. At halftime or was it last night
Anthony Edwards was saying to his teammates, do not let
your foot off the gas. So they end up winning
(01:06:19):
by what forty five points? So the point is that
we cannot let our foot off the gas. We have
to assume we have a formidable opponent. Because we do,
we have to assume that there is a bleeding off,
a leakage of support formally accumulated within African American culture
and there is. And so therefore, despite the fact that
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those poles I think are off and that there's a
differential accorded to any objective person dealing with evidence and
empirical verification of fact, that there's a difference between white
poles and black poles, that's true, But we got to
act like we are in trouble and the house is
on fire and what is we gonna do? That's where
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we are, and we have to be motivated to address
that issue.
Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
How disappointed I'm gonna use the word disappointment, if not
flat out fearful, even though I would almost never associated
that associate that last word with you. How fearful are
you about the Democratic Party not having a bullpen, not
having anybody lined up? Knowing this man has been in
this picture, on this scene, this political scene, for at
(01:07:27):
least eight years in counting, and we find ourselves relying
on an assumed to be eighty two year old encumbered
to give us four more years. What does that say
to you about the party that you pride yourself and
being a part of in this Dand.
Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Yes, sir, well, first of all, I'm praying for his
health as number one, as a Baptist preacher. Jesus please
help me out. So that's number one, but number two
more seriously, you're right, we do have to develop a bench.
We have to generate. And here's the thing. Here's That's
what I know about history, though, is that there's always
a ram in the bush somewhere, that there's always somebody
(01:08:07):
ready to step up that we don't even know their name.
We didn't know Anthony Edwards was gonna be the beast.
He was drawing these comparisons to Michael Jordan two years ago.
Heck not even a year ago. We saw him coming.
We knew he was great, but we didn't know. Is
there a corollary in the political world. Maybe not, but
there are, But then maybe so. There are very articulate, insightful,
(01:08:28):
conscientious political figures. Some would say a Haiking Jeffrey, some
would say a Jasmine Crockett. Some would say you know,
younger people you know out of Congress of Jamal Bowman
and the like, who are seriously committed to making a difference.
There are white and black and Latino politicians who are
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quite comfortable in trying to forge connections with people across
the aisle, but then keeping their eyes on the prize,
so that there are people who will certainly emerge, because
necessity is the mother of invention. However, it is true
that we must be deeply and profoundly committed and invested
in the process of developing a visibly ready bench of
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figures to step up into not only the spotlight, more importantly,
onto the stage, to do the work that is necessary
to encourage political progress for African Americans and Latinos, and
poor white folks and Asian brothers and sisters and so on,
who are able to articulate the ideals of the American
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democracy in ways that are appealing and refreshing, willing to
fight for the quote the small guy and woman, willing
to stand up for those who are poor and who
are middle class and do so. And there are many
politicians who are able to do that, So we can't
give into cynicism. There was a quote from a black
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preacher and professor who was the mentor of Martin Luther
King Junior, Howard Thurman, and Howard Thurman said, never reduce
your dreams to the event you are confronting right now.
This event will not exhaust the infinite possibilities of your life.
Or your political destiny. So even though it looks dreary now,
(01:10:19):
we can't reduce our dreams to the dreariness. We've got
to elevate ourselves. And remember this, if you think it's
bad now, what was it like when Martin Luther King
Junior was alive, or Ralph Abernathy or Ella Baker or
Joanne Robinson or Rosa Parks. These people had less and
did more. So what we can't forget is that we
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possessed within us the ability and the resource to pull
a rabbit out of the hat, to insist that there
will be a ram in the bush, and to make
certain not by just praying and wishing and hoping, but
by working as hard as we can, we can help
shape the very destiny about which we have fear or
(01:11:02):
about which we have concern. We are the answers we
are looking for, and we've got to do the work
necessary to change the future.
Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
My very last question to you, doctor Dyson, a wonderful
doctor Michael Erick Dyson, right here with your ise, truly,
Stephen Smith and Stephen Ay Smith. You're on YouTube as
we sit here and we talk about race, and we
talk about the black vote, particularly as This presidential election
continues to unfold, with Donald Trump and President Biden both
agreeing to a debate at least this June next month,
and of course in September, although Trump said he wanted June, July,
(01:11:33):
August in September. But that's a different subject for another day.
But as we sit here and talk about race, my
last question to you would be a race relations of
a different milk, and that is alluding to a beautiful
article that you wrote in The Philadelphia Citizen that I
have right in front of me. If you're looking for
go to the Philadelphia the Philadelphia Citizen dot org to
(01:11:54):
find this article entitled why Kendrick Versus Drake as in
Kendrick Lamar versus the One and Only Drake is a
proxy war. The rap battle everyone is talking about is
really about race, identity, Black slash Jewish relations. In this
American moment, a Citizen exclusive from a best selling author,
(01:12:14):
an elite public intellectual. That man would be the one
I'm talking to right now, doctor Michael Eric Dyson.
Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
What incited you to write this article that.
Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Was published May fifteenth and you could catch it now
and what message did you want to get out theater
and disseminate to the masses.
Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
See, I'm glad I'm talking to the Great Stephen A
Smith because in other fora you know, I've had to
hold my powder and be more balanced. And so I'm
pissed that Drake gets dismissed off the scene when he's
been Drake for fifteen years and you act like you
didn't know that. Now he's not really black? Oh he
(01:12:52):
was black? When he's recorded more songs with jay Z
than most of these rappers last time I checked. Jay
Z is real, he ain't fake. Challenge his racial identity,
saying he's a culture vulture when he's an act, when
he's a black man, he's from Canada, he ain't real.
Idris Elba is from the UK. People still love him
on the wire. So why is it that being outside
(01:13:12):
of our geography, outside of our nationality raises suspicions about Drake?
Now you can judge that you can debate the war
between Kendrick and Drake in terms of you know the quintuple,
you know entendras that Kendrick Lamar unleashes. Kendrick Lamar is
a brilliant rapper and a formidable folk, but so is
(01:13:35):
Drake and what he's done to expand the horizon of
hip hop is underestimated, even artistically. I'm saying people, while
he goes into one style and he does that, and
he goes over to UK drill and he does that.
He goes over to balance music, he does that, he
does with the Caribbean. He does this. Why are you
looking at a positive as a negative? Senko DeMaio just passed.
(01:13:57):
They had a special Senko demaiyo a celebration for jay
Z in Sinko DeMaio because jay Z has been attracted
to Latino culture, speaking Spanish all through his music, and
they had an entire program celebrating jay Z. Was jay
Z a coach.
Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Don't forget Oji Wan, I mean forget now. His brother
is right in now, I mean, come on, come on now,
we all know Wan.
Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
And Desiree Perez his wife, that's right, that is o
j Wan O j Wan and the woman who runs
his you know, rock Nation. So the point is that
is that that is jay Z a culture voture. No,
we have to stop this narrow, punishing, pernicious limited viewpoint
about blackness. Yes, have a debate about who's the greatest.
(01:14:44):
Have a debate about rhetorical skills. But but, but let
me tell you what. As Lupe Fiasco, no slouch as
a rhetorician and one of the greatest lyricists ever, said
that he would put Drake slightly above Kendrick Lamar. That's
a minor minority position, but it's a very powerful one.
He's saying that Drake got bars. So we missed Drake
(01:15:07):
because of this other madness, the distorting impact of the
metrics that we evoke his being Jewish and white and
not so called black. So was Barack Obama a mixed
race person? And my dear brother, I heard you know
that he's a friend of both of ours when we
go in the breakfast club all the time. Charlemagne to
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God called it. He said this half negro. And I
want to say, Charlemagne, there's a lot of half negroes
out here who have done tremendous work for African American culture.
So that the name calling, the kind of ad hominem
remarks as opposed to a full on embrace of the
rhetorical diversity and splendor that is Drake, to me, that
(01:15:51):
would be a fairer fight. Then we could make an
estimation of what's going on, and then that piece. Of course,
I also talk about this being a proxy war for
other issues that are out there, and we can talk
about those another time. But dealing with the war in Gaza,
dealing with DEEI, dealing with black excellence, dealing with rhetorical power,
dealing with education, dealing with the colorism we see in
(01:16:12):
our own communities, because there's no question that light bright,
almost white was a thing, is a thing, and we
have to pay attention to that. At the same time,
we know that Clarence Thomas is a dark skin black man.
We know that Candace Owns is a brown skin black woman,
and they are legitimately black. I don't contest their blackness.
It's the moral content of their identities and their public
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policies that I would have a difference with. So I'm arguing,
gotcha in this sense for us to understand the power
and the prolific character of a genius like Aubrey Drake Graham.
Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
We'll get more into that subject in the future, because
we got to go right now. You know what that is.
Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
That's a fall back position. Anytime black folks got a
problem with with other black folks, somebody sold out in
somebody's eyes, that's the ultimate argument. And I think that
Kendrick Lamar heard himself with that one point that you
just articulated so brilliantly. I got to get on out
of here. But I appreciate your time. You're brilliant, your excellence,
your insight, your historical facts that you're through out there
as well. Appreciate you, Love you, and thank you for
(01:17:13):
taking so much time out of your busy schedule. And
by the way, I know that we gonna catch you
soon because you're doing an interview with my man Bill
mau for Club Random. I know that's gonna be off
the chain as well with his crazy self.
Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Love you, Love you, bro. I appreciate you. Doctor. Thank
you so much for this Appartake it easy, ladies and gentlemen.
That's it for today's show.
Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
I wanted to thank again one and only, doctor Michael
Ewick dice If for coming on the show, blessing us
with his presence, his knowledge, and.
Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
His historical perspectives. No question, it is needed in this
day and age.
Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
I just felt compelled to tackle that subject because once
again I'm reiterating a point that I was making all along.
Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
I'm not one of them, But there are black folks
out there.
Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
That are veering away and are looking to support not
Joe Biden, but Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
It cannot be ignored. It should not be ignored. Networks
are not ignoring it, the people are.
Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Not ignoring it. I'll be damned if I'm going to
I'm not going to do that. But I appreciate doctor
Michael Erck Dyson's voice. I can't wait to get my
man Roland Martin back on here. And by the way, conservatives,
black conservatives of a different opinion whose voice resonates, who
have people who want to listen to and hear what
they have to say, You're welcomed on the show too.
Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
I'm not leaving anybody out. I take them all, liberals
and conservatives, black, white Latinos. It doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
As long as the conversation is respectful, substantive, and fear
and edifying.
Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Those are my requirements. I hope you can respect that.
Gotta get on out of here for the day.
Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Got a knixed Pacers game six Eastern Conference semifinal series
to cover, so I gotta get on out of here.
I hope y'all all have a wonderful wonderful weekend and
I will see you on Monday. Until then, peace, love everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
I'm out.
What's up, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome to the latest edition of The Stephen Nate Smith Show,
coming at you as I love to do every weekday
over the digital airwaves of YouTube. Usually I'm getting into
sports first. Usually I'm sitting up there telling you about
my book and telling you about my subscribers, never failing
to give thanks and proper gratitude to those who have
supported me, because I wouldn't be here if it wasn't
for y'all. But at the end of the day, I'm
(00:36):
in the news business, and there's some news that's popping
off right now that is simply unavoidable. There's no way
to slice it, and it has nothing to do with sports.
I wanted to clear right here over these digital airwaves
of YouTube that the career of showing P Diddy Combs
as we know it, it's over.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
This shit is over.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It's over in the worst possible way, the worst possible
ways you can imagine.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
These are the latest developments. Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Exclusive surveillance video obtained by CNN appears to show the
music mogul assaulting his then girlfriend, Cassie Ventur at a
hotel in twenty sixteen. In the video, Combs can be
seen striking and kicking Venturer as she tried to leave.
I have the video right in front of me. We
can't show it to you. We can't show it to you,
(01:29):
but I'm watching this with the sound off as we speak.
She's walking down the hallway in a hoodie, y'all, clearly
trying to sneak out of the hotel room. We see
him come sprinting down the hallway.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
In just a towel. That's it.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He goes up to her, he snatches up by the
neck yanks her to the ground.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
She lays there still. Okay, I'm looking at the video.
I'm looking at the.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Video while I'm talking to you. He snatches up by
the neck. Unless this is some look alike, unless it
does some clone, is less. This is somebody that's like
permission impossible, like Tom Cruise wearing somebody else's face looking exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Like them when it ain't then.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
At all, Unless there's something along those lines, this is
what we're looking at here. And I see you see
the stills right there in the screen, and I get that.
But I'm telling you right now, i'm watching this as
we speak, and I've seen this video.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Now because I want to make sure I know what
I'm looking at. This is about the tenth time that
I looked at it. He runs down, he snatches her
body neck, he yanks it to the ground. She lays still.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Then he launches a kick towards her like he's kicking
a damn field goal, picks up the vase or whatever
she had with a kicks again, hits her. She lays still,
and then after that he grabs her and drags her.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Down the hallway.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
And then there's additional video showing him sitting in the
hotel room picking up stuff throwing it at her. Ladies
and gentlemen. I cover sports primarily. That's my day job.
Remember ray Rice, Remember what happened like twenty fourteen win
(03:32):
His girl was in the elevator and she either shoved
him or hit him, and then he checked left, hook
her and hit her and knocked her face into the
bar inside the elevator. She hit her head to it,
and then she laid on the floor unconscious in the elevator,
straight up knocked out.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And then after that he didn't even pick her up,
and he dragged out of the elevator. This video.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Allegedly supposedly presumably seemingly whatever words appropriate with P Diddy, Sewan,
P Diddy Combs, this is worse. We saw those videos.
We saw the video from Atlantic City where Ray Rice
years ago. We saw that many times over. We saw
(04:26):
the the collateral impact it had on the NFL, the
world of sports and beyond, because it heightened a level
of sensitivity towards domestic violence and showed that level of
awareness to such a degree that it permeates our thoughts
and our minds.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Hearts to this.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Day and age in this day, ladies and gentlemen, this
is worse.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I'm looking at the video again. This is worse.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
No wonder he settled the case with Cassie Ventura one
day after she had followed the suit against him one day.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
No wonder.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
You've heard about so many different allegations when his homes
in Los Angeles and Miami were raided by Homeland Security.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
This is bad.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
This is so bad. It's hard to put in the words.
I don't know how P Diddy recovers from this. I
don't know if he can. The only way is if
it's proven that that video.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That's not him, that's not him. It's the only way.
There's no other way.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
There's no other way, No, what do we haven't seen him?
Only time you caught him when somebody's.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Doing a video with him at a coffee shop.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I mean, at one point in time we were talking
about sex trafficking, those allegations him being compared to Jeffrey
Epstein or whatever. But those allegations, which he's emphatically denied.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
This is a video. It's not even a picture. It's
a video.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You see him sprinting down the hallway. Damn sure it
looked like him. To say, mission impossible. It looked like him.
It seems to be him. And if it's proven to
be him, and this video is authentic, and we have
no reason to believe that CNN, of all places, would
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air an inauthentic video flagrantly clearly incriminating P Diddy, we
have no reason to believe otherwise.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I think his career is over.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
This ain't to set the nineties, the eighties, the seventies,
the sixties. Now that shit don't fly, and this day
and age, you can't get away with that. You never
should have been able to ever, ever ever in life,
and sure shouldn't take a video to speak ten thousand words.
But damn it, it does compare to word of mouth
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or compared to the written word. When you see the video,
it's an entirely different connotation that comes to a different feeling.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I might suspect some shit about you when I hear
about it.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
When I see it, There's no way around this. This
ain't funny at all. And yes, that was twenty and sixteen.
Well you acting like that in twenty and sixteen. Who's
to believe you didn't do it in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
two thousand, ninete, twenty twenty two, twenty one, twenty twenty two,
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twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Wait, why would we believe otherwise?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I've had conversations with P Diddy over the phone. He
was an inspiring sports owner, sports team owner, was interested
in purchasing the Charlotte Hornets, being a part of a group.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
That would ultimately buy an NBA team. I'm not faulting anybody.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
All of these folks with this stupidity fault and looking
for people looking for fault at them because they went
to a P Diddy party or whatever. I've gone to
a P Diddy party. I never saw him when I
got there, was so damn crowded. But if somebody tell
you that's the place to be. And everybody going to
the damn party. That don't make you a criminal because
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you went to the party of somebody who was alleged
to be a criminal, especially when they want to want
Alledge to be there.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
At the time. What about our team seeing him in
Miami Heat games.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Hell, I took a picture with him to go to
State Warriors NBA Finals game. I ain't know this shit,
not this video that I just finished watching ten times
fifty cent walking around, you know, trolling. You know, where's
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jay Z with? I don't blame anybody for not wanting
to be seen with P Diddy, not right now, whether
it's jay Z, whether it's Fitty, whether it's it's it's
it's one of his artists. I mean, this is the
con This is the kind of stuff that makes you scurry,
(09:39):
It makes you run for cover. This ain't words, This
ain't sound, this ain't lip service, this ain't articles being written. Nah,
this is different. This is worse than Ray Rice and
Ray Rice never played in the National Football League again.
(10:01):
Nobody's given him another chance to play football. His career
ended that day that video was released. Now he did
he got money that Ray Rice never had and with
his businesses and what have you.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
That's fine, but I hope he saved a lot of it.
This is bad, y'all.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
CNN Breaking News, they got it on video. Breaking News.
CNN has obtained footage of did he repeatedly beating his
then girlfriend Cassie in.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
A hotel hallway?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Beat her, kicked her, grabbed her, dragged her through stuff
at her.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You know recently he was trying to buy beet Did
you know that? Did you?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Did you know recently given the key to the city
by Eric Mayor Eric Adams in New York? If I
remember correctly, didn't he ring the bell at the New
York Stock has changed one time. I'm not faulting any
of those people. You don't know what you don't know.
(11:36):
You don't know something like this is coming down the pike.
You don't know that there's validity that allegations of some.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Of these egregious acts.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Now you start thinking about what sug Knight said in
an interview when he was.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Talking about how did he better be careful?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
They gonna get him because he's been successful all of
this time. He knows everybody secrets, and as a result,
you gonna want people to want to hide their secrets.
He better not end up in jail. That's basically what
sug Knight. I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what he was saying.
It's a bad day for hip hop. This is after
they invaded P Diddy's on March twenty ninth, twenty twenty four.
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According to Complex dot Com, sug Knight it's a bad
day for hip hop, for the culture black people, because
if one looks bad, we all look bad. That's definitely
not nothing to chair about, he continued. But I'll tell
you what, Buffy, your life is in danger, he says. Diddy,
he's fifty four at the time, knows the secrets and
because of that, they're gonna get you if they can.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
It's through sug Knight. It's through sug Knight.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
This is bad, And I believe in the day and
age that we're living in, ain't no coming back from this.
You ain't gotta worry about nobody coming to his parties.
He'd have a he'd have a tough time with somebody
wanting to be seen with him in the Starbucks unless
(13:05):
it's sixty minutes to somebody, this is bad. I'm just
reporting y'all what I'm saying, and I'm telling you based
on what I just saw. Now, this is indefensible. It's indefensible.
It's indefensible, period. But especially if you love women, a
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daughter or daughters, a sister or sisters, a mama, aunts, cousins, colleagues, friends,
it don't matter. Inexcusable, indefensible, indefensible.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
What's the video? What's the video? Ain't nowhere around it.
Ain't nowhere around it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
When you saw this video. When you see this video,
you know what you're gonna wonder? On's he getting arrested.
It's eight years ago, and what he was doing was
so bad it's gonna make you say, why is ass
ain't interested? I take no joint in saying this. I'm
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a fan of P Diddy's music. I'm a fan of
his career. I'm a fan of the great things that
he's accomplished. He's always been cool with me when on
a rare occasion we crossed paths. But I never saw
this video. Ain't no coming back from this, ain't no
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endorsement deals, ain't no commercials. I guess in the hip
hop industry, anybody got a chance to make another album
or whatever. How many people you think gonna buy it? Damn,
(15:07):
That's all I have left to say.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Damn, damn.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Let me move on to golf for a quick second,
because it was something that happened off the course, not
on the golf course, more specifically the PGA Championship, where
world number one golfer Scottie Scheffler was arrested by Louisville
police heading into val Holla Golf Club this morning.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It happened obviously this morning.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
It's traffic was stopped outside the club after the man
was struck and killed by a shuttle bus. According to
ESPN reporter Jeff Darlington and witnessed the incident, Scheffler was
trying to drive around the crash scene on a median
in officer.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
To instruct the Scheffler to stop, but Scheffler continued to
drive about ten to twenty yards towards the entrance. Here's
sound from the incident. Listen up here, guys.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
If you guys guys stand back.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I'm I'm done.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
You're a game one, right yeah, guys, I'm saying back.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Here's the thing right now, right now, he's going to jail.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Okay, okay, he's going to jail, and it ain't nothing
you can do about.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Period. There's there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You can do about.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Okay, Okay, now do you I'm media reporter.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Okay, that's all.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I'm just I just want to make sure that's okay.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
But you need to step back from here.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
You got it, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Before I get my opinion, let me just say that
Scheffler was arrested and hit with several charges, which include
second degree assault of a police officer, third degree criminal mischief,
reckless driving, and disregard traffic signals from an officer directing traffic.
Here's a statement from Scotty Scheffler himself, the world's number
one player, who, by the way, has spent the lasts
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spent like eighty seven weeks as the world's number one
player over the.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Last two years or so.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
He said, quote this morning, I was proceeding as directed
by police officers. It was a very chaotic situation, understandably so,
considering the tragic accident that had occurred earlier, and there
was a big misunderstanding what I thought I was being
asked to do. I never intended to disregard any of
the instructions. I'm hopeful to put this to the side
and focus on golf today. Of course, all of us
involved in the tournament express I deep in sympathies to
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the family of the man who passed away in an
earlier accident this morning. It truly puts everything into perspective.
End quote Scotty Scheffler deserved to be arrested. Let's get
that out the way first, a police officer is dragged
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on the side out of your car fifteen to twenty yards.
On its face, it seems perfectly plausible that an arrest
is warranted because it shouldn't have taken you fifteen to
twenty yards to stop while an officer was hanging onto
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your vehicle.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
That's on its face, it does.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Come with a little bit of trickiness, however, Number one,
it was chaotic out there. Number two, it wasn't just
police officers that had on those yellow jerseys that you
see on that screen right there. It was also folks
who were working to direct traffic. And obviously the PGA
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tour is there. Number Three, we want to act like
everybody gets treated the same. All I ask is that
we grow up and understand that's not true. You're the
number there. One golfer in the world, the police is saying.
(19:05):
According to Jeff Darlington, who I interviewed this morning, by
the way, during my day job on the ESPN's First
Take airs every weekday morning from ten am to twelve
New Nieces and Stand the time on ESPN. Jeff Darlington,
my colleague of the ESPN, was on the show, and
he said one of the officers came up to him afterwards,
because he was the one playing it on this camera.
He said, one of the officers came up to him
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afterwards and asked, who is it, Like, who's the guy
just arrested? So they didn't know, presumably they didn't know
that was the world's number one golfer.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I'll tell you what you did know.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You didn't know that the traffic that was out there
wasn't just because of the crash or the accident that
killed the pedestrian, godrest his soul, but also you know
those folks were out there, was coming to the PGA.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Traffic out there for a reason in Louisville, Kentucky. They
were coming to the PGA.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And you also know that golfers because of course into
my colleagues at ESPN, guys like market you know, you know.
Michael Eves and others pointed out to me each golfer
is giving a car. They don't get they're not given
a driver, but each of them are given a car,
and on each car states the official PGA tour. It's
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got that emblazoned on the back. That is what I
was told this morning by my buddy Michael Eves, who
does a great job covering golf for us.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
He said.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Golfers are giving free cars for the week, but they
are not assigned people.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
To drive them.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
The officer is saying that Sheffler disobeyed his orders and
then dragged him to the ground with his car, causing
injuries to the officer and his clothing. Cheffler's saying he
didn't know the guy was a cop. The cop is
evidently saying otherwise, if he knew that that was an officer,
automatic arrest, automatic fell in the charge.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
That's the way it swear goes.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
If he didn't know, that's a different animal, that means
the officer didn't identify himself. I'm simply saying, what the
hell are you doing driving a car twenty feet fifteen
to twenty yards rather knowing somebody is clinging to the
damn car.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Why would you keep driving?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
So I'm not trying to pretend or act as if
Chefler's innocent. I'm just saying we don't know all the details.
What I will say is that the world's number one
golfer doesn't need to get yanked out of a car
right at the entrance of the event, slammed up against
their car, and ultimately cuffed and essentially perp walked.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I do know that I would not be surprised if heads.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Rolled with a couple of those police officers, because the
number one golfer in the world was treated that way,
and obviously that compromised the event. Now that wasn't the
reason the event would start for an hour and a half,
but ultimately, when something like that happens and a tour
event which attracts folks to its event, which is good
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for the local economy, if that's compromised, somebody's gonna pay
a price for that. So it'll be interesting to see
what happens. I don't know if something will ever happen
to the offices. I don't know if something should happen
to them, because we don't know all the details. And
most importantly, I don't know if something were to end
up happening in the one of the offices of not
several of them, in any regard that we would know
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because they're not public figures, So how much intel would
we get about that if something, if they were reprimanded
in any way, it did seem a bit excessive, I
must admit I don't think that was necessary. But then again,
if you're pissed the officer off because you're dragged me
fifteen to twenty feet, that's how it goes. I don't
know what more to say other than that, but it
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was a shocking day of.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Events, to say the least. I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Coming up, Donald Trump appears to be gaining support.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Among black voters. I'll get into all of that.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
That means the black vote, what we're doing with it,
what we plan on doing it with it, what we.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Should do with it.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I'll get into that discussion with the great doctor Michael
Eric Dyson.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
He'll be up next.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Plus the t Wolves force the game seven against the
defending world champions, and the Knicks have a chance to
make it to the Eastern Conference Finals. I got all
the playoff action ahead, So stick around or go anywhere
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I got him for you, Alec Burks for the New
York Knicks. More or less than ten and a half points.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I'm gonna go with less. I expect it to be
a tight game.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I don't know if Tom Thibodau don't even put him
in the game long enough to get ten points.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
That's what I'm worried about.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
That's what I went That's why I went with less
for this with Alex Burke is just the way to
go right now. I just don't trust Tom Thibodeaux to
have him in for enough chunk of time in order
for him.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
To get more than ten and a half points. Let's
go to Jalen Brunton.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Okay, more or less than forty five points, rebounds assists
is an easy one. More because Jalen Brunson been killing
the Indianapolis coach the Indiana Paces rather okay, been killing
them all right, So you know, whether it's points and
rebounds alone, you're gonna have for the forty five or
points and assist the loan rather, and then you're adding
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a few rebounds because he gonna get up in there,
he gonna bang, gonna do what you gotta do. Yes,
it's gonna be more than forty five for Jalen Brunton.
How about Pascal Siakam for the Indiana Pacers more or
less than thirty two and a half points, rebounds, assists.
I think he's gonna give me a key pivotal figure tonight.
I think Rick Carlid is gonna go to him. Particularly
with Ognanobi out, They're gonna look to attack him. He's
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been struggling for a free throw line a little bit
too much, But that don't mean he ain't gonna give
you more than thirty two and a half with the
combination of points, rebounds and assists. I think he's going
to do that. He's a champion. It's a game six,
they're playoff, lives on the line. Pascal Siaka a champion
with the Toronto Raptors years ago when he was teammates
with Kawhi Leonnon.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I think he answers the call.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I think you take more in this particular situation, and
last but not least, ob topping former New York Neck. Now,
remember the Indiana Pacers more or less nine and a
half points, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Go with more.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Obi topic can play by the way he can shoot. Okay,
he can shoot. He could definitely finish in the basket,
and he can finish it in an open court. I'm
not saying it's gonna be a whole lot more than
nine and a half points.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But would I take more.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Than for nine and a half points with Obi Topping
instead of less, Yes, I would.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I'm gonna go with more in this particular situation.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So again, let's review my picks so you'll understand what
it's all about.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Less for Alex Burke.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
At the ten and a half points, more for Jalen
Brunston at the forty five points, rebounds assists, more for
Pascal Siaka with the thirty two and a half points,
rebounds and assists, and more of Obi Topping at just
nine and a half points. Those are my picks for tonight.
Check them out.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Feel free to chime in and say Stephen A, thank
you for looking out for us. We wouldn't have known
what to do without you.
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Speaker 1 (26:59):
Let's get to the end.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
NBA Playoffs please in the race out West where Anthony
Edwards and the Tea Woves beat the living hell out
of the Denver Nuggets last night bout forty five points.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
They were up fifty one by forty five.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Edwards left Minnesota with twenty seven points and was a
plus minus forty five in just thirty four minutes on
the floor. The t Wolves have now forced the Game
seven in Denver on Sunday for a chance to go
to the Western Conference Finals. Some key injuries of note
Jamal Murray's someffer, the right elbow injury after bumping into
Rudy Go Bear, and of course Anthony Edwards fell in
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his back, but says he'll be ready to go on Sunday.
I was shocked at what I witnessed. Anthony Edwards is
such a stud. I'm gonna say this stough. Game sevens
are different. It's Anthony Edwards first game seven. It's called
Anthony Towns first game seven. Rudy Go Bear has only
been in two and he split one and one in
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each of them. And oh, by the way, Mike Conley,
your veteran point guard that Anthony Edwards loved so much
his career, in Game sevens are owing four averaging thirteen
points to thirty two percent, shooting in twenty three percent
from three point range, which is nothing to write home about.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
They're in Denver for a game seven. Now.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
The Minnesota Timberwolves defense ampst up like no others. They're
the best defense in the NBA this year, and they
put the clamps on Denver yesterday, no question about it.
And Carl Anthony Towns obviously made some jump shots or whatever,
but it was really about Anthony Edwards and it was
about their collective defensive prowess.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
They were absolutely sensational.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
They were on the Denver Nuggets like piranhas, and the
Denver Nuggets had absolutely positively no answer. The thing for me, though,
was this, I saw a whole bunch of missed shots.
I saw Jamal Murray open first half, he shoots one
for ten. I saw Michael Porter open, he was missing.
I saw Kentavious Carwell popo, but he was missing. I
saw Aaron Gordon open, he was missing. Is that really
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what you expect to happen in the game seven?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I think they make some of those shots rather than
miss them. With those familiar rims that they playing forty
one regular season nights a year, and I think that
Denver is gonna have his work cut out for it.
But let me tell you something, that don't mean they
can't win this game. They were down oh two, and
you saw what they did to Minnesota over the next
three games, and then Minnesota shows up again. And now
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that they've shown up again and they've even the series
at three to three again, they've never been in a
game seven. They've never been in a game seven. And
we're gonna find out a couple of things. We're gonna
find out about Anthony Edwards. We're gonna find out about
Carl Anthony Towns. We can't say we're gonna find out
anything about Denver because they'd have.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Rgann they defending champions.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
But we're gonna find something out because here's what I noticed, y'all.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Did you see.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Nikola Jokic just standing there. He wouldn't sit down for
a long time. He was just standing there on the sidelines,
staring down at Minnesota as they continue to run up
the score and just to obliterate the Denver Nuggets. You
don't think a three time league MVP like that got
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that kind of pride. You don't think a champion like that,
that kind of pride. Did you see what Denver did
and coming back oh to you don't think they got
that kind of pride, because I'm here to tell you
they do. And I think that Nikola jokicch is gonna
show up and he's gonna show up big time.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
For Game seven.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
But I think Anthony Edwards is going to show up too.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
He's just that dude. There was MJ, there was Kobe,
and then there's him.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
And that's a big deal coming from somebody like me
because I saw incredible talent throughout.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
The Evince Carters going into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
He's an incredible talent, the best in game dunker I've
ever seen, and he's stuck around for over twenty years
within an NBA career. One of the nicest human beings
you'll ever meet. Once the one knock against Vince Carter,
that that attitude, that umph, that go get it mentality,
that dog in him, he ain't had that because he
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was such a nice guy. And that's what we saw.
Did you see Anthony Edwards at the press conference last
night at the podium and you saw when they asked him,
did you say something to the folks in the Denver
locker room where y'all lost Game five. He said, Hell yeah,
I did. I told those motherfuckers see see you game seven.
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That's what I said.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I'm quoting him. I'm not cussing.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I'm quoting him. I told those motherfuckers see you game seven.
We'll be back. Hell yeah, and then got up.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
His attitude is different.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
And he wants it, and we're going to see whether
or not he can deliver it. Make no mistake about it,
because you know Michael Malone got something up.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
In sleep that he saved for game seven. He ain't
gonna show all his cards.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
But I'm telling you right now, it can't just be
the Anthony Edwards show. Now here's the difference. We talked
about supplementary parts showing up and helping out, but in
Anthony Edwards's case, he got a shot up first, because
you need his greatness to match that of Yo Kic
so it can even the scales, and then you set
the table for somebody else to step in and do
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what they're supposed to do. That's what we're talking about
here with Anthony Edwards, and it's gonna be real interesting
to see what transpired because I'm here to tell you
right now, Minnesota could lose, Denver could beat the brakes
off of them. But Denver has shown us they could
do the same. I'm sorry, Minnesota has shown us they
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could do the same to Denver. I can't wait for
this Game seven. This is special now. I'm hoping the
next team I talk about doesn't have to go to
a Game seven, and that's my New York Knicks. Okay,
because they headed the Indianapolis tonight for Game six and
a chance to close out the series. The last time
the Knicks played there was Sunday when they got blown
out by thirty two on Mother's Day. Okay, they massacres
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what they call it. Tonight they have a chance to
avenge that loss, and they'll likely have to do it
without ogn And know we he's still nursing his hamstring injury.
I'm gonna tell you this, Indiana has no answer for
Jalen Brunson. The way he's busting them harts Ass and
the rest of the Indiana Pacers. He actually should be
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arrested for a Celda's damn self. I'm being facetious, of course,
but Jalen Brunson has been nothing short of abusing defenders
from Indiana, so much so that you got Chris Carlisle,
a head coach, cussing out people in press conferences because
he ain't really cussing at them, He's cursing at his
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own team.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
They looked soft, They looked like they didn't want it.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
They was fumbling and bumbling the ball all over the place,
commit turnovers at every turn.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Jalen Brunton Meanwhile.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Crossover dribbles, step back threes start a stepping, stepping back,
moving forward evasive measure. I mean, damn, he was us
in their ass. Having said all of that, he can't
be the key tonight. It's gonna have to be Josh
Hart and Dante DiVincenzo. See, you don't want a game
seven on one hand, and I pose this to a
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lot of people.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Listen to my logic here.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Initially I was thinking, don't you want time to prepare
for Boston?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
That doesn't necessarily matter now, but Josh Hart and Dante
DiVincenzo are gonna be keys. Dante Divincenzo's shot is gonna
be key, his shot making ability. He needs to hit
those threes when he's open for it. So his shot
making ability is one way to go. Here's the other.
Josh Hart's heart, his guts, his willingness to go get
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that damn basketball, don't matter who's it up against. Josh
Hart got to bring out that game and him tonight.
Close out games are always the most difficult, and that's
what Josh Hart's gonna have to deal with. He can't
have three rebounds like he did in Game four on
Mother's Day. He's got to have the eighteen rebounds he
had in Game three when the New York Knicks nearly
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pulled it out and it took a miracle from them
hard from thirty one feet to save the day. We
can't put ourselves in a situation again. That's what the
New York Knicks have to do. Josh Hart, Dante DiVincenzo.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
They are the keys. They are the keys to the
success for the New York Knicks.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
You get production from them, not to shove aside heart
and steam, because you need his offensive rebounds he had
twelve in Game five. But you need additional weapons if
you're the New York Knicks stepping up other than Brunton,
because I think Indiana would be better prepared for that tonight.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Brunton alone won't be enough. Somebody else will have to
give you something. So we can get that out the
way too.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Now, before I go to break, I want to bring
this up about Kyrie Irvin. He's plays on the Dallas Mavericks,
who are up three to two on this series after
beating Oklahoma City in Game five. My man, shay Gil
Just Alexander is not disappointing me. Four straight games of
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thirty points or more, in which he's averaging thirty two
points fifty one percent, shooting forty five percent from three
point range, along with nine rebounds, six pointsistant two and
a half blocks per game.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Shay Gil Just Alexander my vote for League GAMVP.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
He doing his job. Where Jalen Williams at, We're chet
holgern at? Where's these cats at? Even though Dorton is doing,
you know, a lot of defensive work on Luka Danci,
even though it didn't work.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
The other night. Let's call it what it is.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
But here's what got me thinking about I might have
made the wrong pick with OKC and Dallas will probably
win this series. This kid gaffreck got hops as unbelievable athleticism.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
We got that going on. We got Luca sore knee,
sore ankle, different legs, don't matter.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
He shows up, he drops what he drops. We see
PJ Washington doing his thing. We see Derek Jones catching
Ali oops, doing his thing. But that damn Kyrie Irving
is just lurking. One of the most prolific scores we've
ever seen, one of the greatest finishers at the basket
and be a history.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
This dude, Kyrie Irving is just.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Going in there, flying in there for rebounds, giving tapouts
to Luka Doncik one minute, feeding Tim Hardaway Junior the next, PJ.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Washington the next, et cetera. Kyrie's a showstopper.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
And we know that ain't his forte having two points
in the first half, having six points in the first half,
stuff like that, Ladies and gentlemen, that ain't Kyrie Irving.
At some point an explosion is imminent.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
That's just how I feel about it.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I think he's he's waiting and the bigger the moment,
the more he will shine. And in Dallas for a
Game six with an opportunity to get to the conference finals.
Kyrie and Luca somebody that I'm gonna look past now.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
No, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
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Welcome back to the Steven A. Smith Show right here
over the digital airwars with YouTube. I wanted to take
a little bit of time to day to talk a
little politics, and it is with my next guest. Okay,
and the reason we're talking politics today stems from reports
or polls that appear to show former President Donald Trump
actually gaining even more support amongst black voters. And it
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seems the polling numbers are not lost on the White House,
where President Biden will spend this week looking to reverse
an erosion of.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Support amongst black voters.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Biden plans to give a speech this Sunday at Morehouse
College in Atlanta, Georgia that will aim to increase support
among black men, a voting block where the President's support
has clearly declined. Joining me right now is renowned author,
best selling author, professor, historian, the brilliant, the one and
only Doc Michael Eric Dyson. My brother, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (41:02):
My man?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
How you doing? How's everything?
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Always great to see you, my friend, You the king
of media, and it's always good to see you in
one of your venues and to share this spot like
with you.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Well, listen, I needed your guidance and your expertise and
your brilliance on this subject because I need you to
help me figure a few things out here. There's several
polls that definitely showed declining support among black voters, going
from Joe Biden to Donald Trump. And listen, this is
where they are right now. Why do you believe that
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that's the case? First of all, do you believe it's true?
And secondly, why would you believe that's the case.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Well, you know the math and math, and as they say,
there is some manipulation statistically with some of these poll numbers. However,
the bottom line is there. He is I think disgruntlement
among many African American people about Joe Biden, and there
seems to be a corollary attraction and to Donald Trump,
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he has an appeal of what is that appeal based on?
Maybe you know, some young people say he's got swag.
They think he's the kind of person who will go
out here and will say what's on his mind without
having it filtered through politically correct language. That's one number two.
You listen to some of the rappers who say that
they're attracted to Donald Trump, one of whom says, look,
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he gave out checks during COVID and the like, not
understanding that those monies were released by an Act of Congress,
not the president. But nonetheless they associate that with him,
and then they think he's got this kind of swagger,
he's got this kind of charisma because he's able to,
you know, be the kind of person that many of
them ideally and fantasize about being, tell you what's on
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their mind, tell you when to leave and when to come,
and keep stepping. More substantively, I think some people are
distraught with, you know, President Biden over a couple issues.
The Israel and you know Palestinian situation, the war in Gaza.
Some of them are quite upset about what they perceive
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to be President Biden's total capitulation to Israel and not
standing enough up enough for Palestinians. Although one must quickly
add hasten to add, what do you think will happen
with Donald Trump, who has been completely in favor of
every action that Israel has taken, versus the Joe Biden
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who has tried to, you know, apply restraints or at
least get Israel to apply restraint when dealing with Palestine
right now? And then I think some people, in regards
to their conservative values and beliefs, they you know, there's
a group of African American people who are not only
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culturally conservative, some of them are growingly politically conservative, and
they find some of the issues that Donald Trump addresses
around say, sexuality, around gender far more appealing to them
than they would perceive liberal cultural values to do. So,
I think when you put all that stuff together, there is,
regardless of the degree of mathematical distance between the polling
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and the actual voting of African American people, there is
some erosion of support among Democrats, and there certainly is
an uptick of support for Donald Trump and the Republicans.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
When you allude to mathematical deviation, educate the viewers out there,
Educate the listeners out there as to why we should
take that seriously, because a.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Lot of times so much is relying upon the polls.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
We look at the polls leading up to elections, and
it gives us an indication. It's not to say it's
always right, but it certainly is not always wrong. And
in this particular instance, no one would think that Donald Trump,
for indictments, you know, ninety one different counts civil law
suits and one hundreds of millions of dollars, wouldn't even
be in a position to run for reelection, let alone
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win it. But clearly that appears to be the case
right now. So when due to those mathematical differences, tell
me why folks shouldn't dismiss that and say, wait a minute,
look at what's happening here, Look at the momentum.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
We've got two eyes.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
We see the momentum shifting to some degree, particularly after
what you've just articulated about this current administration. Why shouldn't
folks take that with the seriousness they appear to be
taking that with.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Now, yeah, no, that's a great point. Well, even mathematically
and statistically, you know, they ain't calling like a million
black people, y'all. They're not calling a million people period.
When they do these polls, it might be two or
three hundred people. And then the statistical difference could be
an uptick of six or seven people in either direction
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will give you a significant change in the polling numbers.
So if you're talking, you know, and our brother Michael
Harriott who kind of explained this on Twitter, talking about
six voters made a difference in terms of registering, a
difference in terms of the uptick for Republicans. Now, I
understand that, and I appreciate that that's real. But at
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the same time, speaking enough to so many other black
people and hearing from them, I think it's undeniable that
there's great frustration with the Democrats and there is some
appeal to Donald Trump. And as you've already indicated, here's
a guy with four cases probably got more he got.
He got more cases than Pep Pep's blu ribbon, as
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they used to say, what I was a kid. He's
a guy who's facing enormous consequence potentially for some misjudgments
or criminal activities, and yet black people are certain amounts
of black people, certain segments of black people, certain slices
of the voter. It feels that he is the appealing candidate.
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They think that Joe Biden ain't on TV enough, he
ain't talking enough, he's not representing his viewpoint enough. Even
the people who support Joe Biden, like Plies. The rapper
right did an interesting video the other day is saying
where are you at? You know, we see Donald Trump
every day. He's on TV every day. He's being talked
about because he's got yet another court case or some judge,
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you know, imposing a fine on him or warning him
against speaking. In other words, he's sucking up all of
the media oxygen in the room, and the good things
that Joe Biden is doing, he's tweeting about or sending
in a way that doesn't get out to the broader audience.
So not only are we talking about a shift in
sensibility and perception amongst certain African American voters being frustrated
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with Joe Biden for a number of reasons, there is
also the fact that the messaging of Donald Trump for
free if you will, but also because of the enormous
concentration of media attention upon his various flaws. Is keeping
his name in the print. Now that old thing that
used to be, Hey, ain't no bad publicity. We know
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there is bad publicity. But when it comes to presidential
sweetstakes and this man and is still in the running,
that calculates that that converts, I should say, in a
way that does have a net positive for him. So
we have to ask African American voters, you've got to
be a bit more sophisticated about this. I think many
of us are. And then some have indicated, Look, black
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people don't come out to rallies, they don't do certain
kinds of exhibitionist political if you will, consent or partisanship.
What they do is just vote. In some instances, that's true.
But at the same time, even among the folk that
I travel this country talking to, and you do as well,
there is a noticeable uptick in support for Donald Trump
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that we have to grapple with and take seriously.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Well, listen, this is always good and it's always beautiful
to talk to you, my big bro, especially on intellectual items,
because obviously you'll wanted to high end intellectuals in this nation.
This make no mistake about that. We both have talked
about it, and we know that recently. You know, I
got so much heat, but I know a lot my
team and other people don't want me to bring it up.
(49:07):
You know, I don't give a damn. I'm gonna be
who I am. And one of the things that I've
religiously stated, you know, I don't support Donald Trump. He's
not getting my vote. But one of the things that
I wanted to highlight was that you know.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
What we're where. You know you're in trouble.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
If you're a Biden support, if you're somebody that's planning
on voting for Biden, if you're somebody that wants Biden
re elected, you cannot just turn the blind eye and
a deaf ear to what is transpiring before our very eyes.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
There are black folks.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
In America who have turned to supporting Donald Trump. That
is just the fact and what I wonder, and I
say it, it's not just because of that that's a
reason to be worried about him getting returning to the
White House.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
It's also the fact that the level of support.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
That Barack Obama gone to not just once but twice
in terms of the inordinate amount of people emanating from
my CA community willing to go.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
To the polls.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
That wasn't necessarily the case with Hillary Rodham Clinton, and
I certainly have no reason to believe it's going to
be the case with Joe Biden in twenty twenty four.
I think that there's going to be a lack of participation,
meaning voter is showing up to the polls to vote
for him. You're gonna see some that just don't show up.
That's a concern I have. Is that concern legitimate in
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your eyes?
Speaker 4 (50:24):
Absolutely? And first of all, let me speak to that.
You know, you are a man of tremendous integrity and
huge authenticity, and you call it like you see it.
And the truth is that there is a there is
a troubling phenomenon and trend. There is a problem here,
or at least there is a trend that is noticeable
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that we have to be honest about. We can't stick
our heads in the sand and pretend that it's not
the case. That's not an endorsement, that's in an analysis.
I happen to be Joe Biden supporter, but that doesn't
mean I can't see what's going on doesn't mean I
close my eyes, And you're absolutely right. We have to
take this extremely seriously because, as you've so intelligently pointed out,
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Barack Obama had a kind of inborn and inbred charisma.
He had a natural advantage. He had house money that
he was playing with in a way that neither Hillary
Clinton nor Joe Biden possess, and that is the radical
and immediate identification of African masses of black people with
a candidate like Barack Obama. Now, arguably Joe Biden has
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done more specifically for African American people in terms of
the effect of the policies, the the rate of unemployment
is significantly lower, the fact that you've got a black
Vice president in office and a black woman on the
Supreme Court, not only symbolically but substantively in terms of
what he's done with housing and economic inequality, and also
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for those people who have received the refunds not refunds,
who have been forgiven of their student loans. So when
we look across the board, Joe Biden has arguably done
even more, and yet the messaging behind that is not
equally as powerful. First because he doesn't have the inbuilt
advantage of a Barack Obama. And secondly, because sometimes Democrats
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are loathed to get out there and brag about what
they're doing. You've got to get out there and brag
and tell the people what you're doing. You've got to
announce it from your bully pulpit as he Chris crosses
this nation on his campaign stops to talk about what's
going on, and to figure out new media, to figure
out social media, to figure out the old school stuff,
and make sure that you're involving the black media in
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your plans, which has often been a criticism levied by
people within the media. So when we put all that
stuff together, it is necessary at this point to warn folk.
Not after it's over. Well, I tell you I did
see this, but I didn't say anything. Say it now.
This is the time for to make acute analysis and
serious scrutiny about what's happening. So with the purpose of
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arming black people with knowledge that will allow them to
vote the right way.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Before I move on to my next question, I want
you to take a look at this post from Fox
News analyst Josh Kraushard, that's his name. I want you
to take a look at this because I want you
to see it, and I want to put it up
on the screen here. Mister Trump and mister Biden are
essentially tied among eighteen to twenty nine year olds and
His and Hispanic voters, even though each group gave mister
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Biden more than sixty percent of their vote in twenty twenty.
Mister Trump also wins more than twenty percent of Black voters.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
It tally that would be the highest level of Black
support for any Republican presidential candidate since the enactment of
the Civil Rights Act in nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
One of the things that I'm going to make it
a priority to do on this show at least a couple.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Of times a month, if not more, as the election approaches,
doctor Dyson, is I want to focus on the black vote.
I want to focus on the black community, what we
used to do compared to what we've done, what we're doing,
what we're doing, what we.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
Intend to do.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
And I want you to highlight, being a historian, that
you are the obvious answer to why the Democrats have
had our stranglehold on the black vote since nineteen sixty four.
It's obviously because the civil rights legislation that was written
in the law in nineteen sixty four by President Lyndon B. Johnson,
even though people from both parties brought it to his desk.
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But ever since that time, according to reports about Linda B. Johnson,
we do this and we'll have the negroes voting for
us for the next two hundred years.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
And at a time it certainly appeared to be that way,
and because of that, people have held on.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
To it and used it as a form of cynicism
to say the Democratic Party has taken the black vote
for granted.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
So as a result, we ain't going for the okie
doke anymore. We're gonna change this up.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
That's what some of the black folks, that's what some
of the black folks who clearly are Trump supporters are
now articulating.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
I want to know, in your estimation, is dear truth to.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
That level of thinking, that level of verbiage being thrown
out there by those Trump supporters, black and otherwise, and
how valid it is in your mind of an argument
for them to make against the Democratic Party.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
Yeah. Look, if you're suffering in a certain way in
African American people across the board, are as the brothers
in the streets say irregardless of your party, whether you're
a Democratic Republican, there's no question about that. However, if
you say under the Democrats you are frustrated and flustered
because certain issues are not being taken seriously, or you
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don't think you're being heard, or you think you're being
taken for granted, you know, it's a kind of Bobby
Woolmeck approach to this whole thing. If you think you're lonely,
now wait until tonight girl. Okay. So the thing is
is that if you think you're frustrated and flustered under
the Democrats, the reason the republic have not garnered more
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of the African American vote. And I'll tell you it's easy.
It would be easy for them to do so because
there is agreement outside of what I believe. I happen
to be a progressive liberal thinker within African American culture,
the masses of black people would disagree with me on
certain issues in terms of lgbtqa QI of transgender and
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the like and so on. I understand that I don't
lie to myself about that. However, what I say is
the masses of black people who have to be conservative
would find it more easy to vote Republican if the
Republicans weren't so repugnant and repulsive in some of their
explicit racist manipulations or their implicitly racist policies or outlooks. So,
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in other words, if they weren't so focused on retaliating
against the fragile gains of African American people and could
find a way to make concessions in their own ideological tip,
a lot more Black people would be gathered under there.
Just because you're hurting in your left pinky doesn't mean
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that I'm going to go to somebody who's going to
hurt the other three fingers. You want to hurt less,
not more, And under Republican ideology and practices, look at
the je remandering going on in state legislators. Look at
the drawing of voting maps that are dissipating the concentrated
effect of black voting districts. The Supreme Court just rued
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a couple of days ago saying, I think it was
in Louisiana somewhere that the attempt of the state legislatures
and the courts to je remander against African American people
and to draw maps that would disfavor them is constitutionally invalid.
So this is the effect of the Republicans. They want
to gain every advantage possible legally or not, constitutionally or not.
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And I think that all of this discourse among Republicans
about steal the voting, look at what happened. The truth
is that there's very little of stealing the vote among Democrats.
There's a little voting in regularity. What we can point
to is the sheer manipulation of ideologues within the right
wing or the Republican Party. Having said that, I think
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there is frustration among African American people wing gonna be
on no plantation? Well what plantation you think you're leaving
and going to? If you're on a Democratic plantation, if
that's what you conceive it to be, which I don't,
what plantation will you now go to? You think you'll
be independent, you think voting for Donald Trump or the
right wing is something that will serve your interests. There
is no evidence of this. So while there may be frustration. Look, look,
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I would like the Lakers to be in the finals
every year because I'm a Lakers stand since I was
a kid. But they ain't in the finals. It's gonna
be maybe Minnesota, and it's gonna be maybe the Boston Celtics.
Who knows the point is your team that you desire
to be there ain't there. So the choices you have
are who's there, not this fantasy land. I wish it
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was this case, and I think we have to suggest
the African American people. Yes, we've got to sometimes bite
the bullet. Yes we've got to sometimes look the bully
in the face and say this is true and not true.
But we don't gain when we capitulate to interests that
have evidently undermined our community and not shown much interests otherwise. Yes,
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it's hard, perhaps for some people to vote Democratic and
to be in that group, but it is far more
difficult and far more paralyzing to make the choice to
swing in the other direction.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
Well, one of the things that I think, and I've
articulated that on this show as well, that you know,
people have had an attitude with me about I said,
I think you applaud the Democratic Party. The greatest thing
that the Democratic Party, or one of the greatest things
that the Democratic Party has done for the African American
community in this nation is that they were the ones
who gave us access to capital, because when you talk
about generational wealth, when you talk about economic empowerment and
(01:00:01):
what have you, they were the ones that played a
significant role in facilitating that. And I don't hear the
Democrats spewing about that enough. That's number one. That's one
of the things that I said. And the other thing
that I've pointed out doctor Dyson is this, and I
took a lot of heat for this, but again, I
don't give a damn my stand on it. When I
think about Trump and the law fear that has been
engaged against him, what I'm saying is, I'm not trying
(01:00:25):
to act as if the man is guilty or innocent
of anything. The courts will determine that and we'll go
with it from there. What I'm saying is, it's not
stopping him from being away from the camera. It's not
stopping him from playing the role of victim. It's not
stopping him from generating campaign.
Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Dollars, and on top of it all, it hasn't stopped.
Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Him from being the GOP nominee and the man in
line to return to the presidency unless Biden is able
to beat him. My point is, I don't think that
they've taken that into another consideration, and you're looking for
the courts to come to the rescue instead of you
(01:01:05):
finding a way to beat him yourself.
Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
I don't know how much clearer I can be in
stating that. Help me out here, help me out with
that message.
Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
You're absolutely right. And then I was thinking when you
were talking, you know, playing a little acronym game here.
You know, he is a G to many of these people, right,
not the GOP, just the G just in terms of
street discourse and OP. You're down with OP. Right, So
there is some grudging recognition among certain African American people
like Damn, I don't care what you say about Donald Trump.
(01:01:39):
I don't dagam. I ain't trying to vote him, But dog,
you've got to admit, he just don't care. He gonna
say what he believes, he gonna tell you how he
thinks it oughn to be, and he's gonna move forward.
There is something too many people that's refreshing about the
departure from a political discourse that is so riddled with duplicity,
with people not telling the truth, with people not coming
(01:01:59):
out in saying what they believe. Now, so let's be
honest about that having said that, you're absolutely right too
that people, you know, at the end of the day,
regardless of the charges he's confronting, regardless of the cases
he's got, he is out there every day on truth,
social and whatever other platform he has in the press,
(01:02:23):
when the judges are not trying to censor him correctly
in terms of putting a gag order on him, when
he keeps on in talking and offending. Now, it's reprehensible
in terms of the political substance and the moral substance
of what he's doing. But at the same time he
gains eyeballs and ear loves people hear what he's talking about,
(01:02:45):
and they are forced to assess the veracity or not,
the legitimacy or not, the authenticity or not. And so
at the end of the day, that is a kind
of bullheaded determination to be heard at all costs that
is attractive to certain voters who say, I'm tired of
the bs I get coming out of these politicians' mouths.
The lion left and right, right and left. But here's
(01:03:07):
the guy who's gonna tell it like it is. I
happen to believe that that is destructive for the country.
I happen to believe that he has shredded any ounce
of consideration for the other side and any ounce of
political convention that suggests we have decorum and civility in
a way. However, in these trench battles, it is. It
(01:03:30):
is very vicious out here, and Donald Trump is throwing
mud in the face, sand in the face, using every
advantage he has, name calling him the like. And we'll
see what happens when this upcoming debate in June where
Donald Trump faces off squarely against President Biden, and see
what the consequences will be. But we cannot underestimate the
(01:03:53):
various forces of appeal out here that mitigate, that militate
against the entry of African American people that they may
be voting for. And we can't pretend that just because
we think it's silly or crazy or dumb or unintelligent
or counterproductive or destructive, there are interests that it's not happening.
(01:04:13):
We have to open our eyes and then try to
strategize as a result of that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
When we talk about poles, you have some people out
there who talk about it, especially somebody like my buddy
Roland Martin, who would say, you know what they are
black poles.
Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
There are white poles and they are black poles.
Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Do you draw a.
Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Distinction with that? Do you agree with him on that
that these poles be could you alluded to its potential
inaccuracies and they haven't talked to every black person? And
then indeed is a difference between white poles and black
poles that actually exist out there where there's a palpable
evidence to show that dichotomy that exists. Do you agree
(01:04:51):
with Roland Martin on that?
Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Oh? Absolutely, I agree with nearly everything Roland Martin says.
But it is Stephen A. Smith. I mean, you know,
smart black people, smart people, period, but smart black people.
I take him seriously, so you and he certainly I
take seriously. But yes, I mean, and look, you know,
Martin Luther King Junior used to joke about this. It
(01:05:13):
was common in the black community. You know, when when
the census came, a census taker came. The reason we
didn't get an accurate count of black people, Doctor King said,
because they thought it was the bill collector. So because
they thought it was the bill collector, they'd answered the
door and we don't get our census counted. That's still
a problem in many instances. But the point is, even
if half the poll is right, we in trouble. Even
(01:05:35):
if you cut down fifty percent of it, we in trouble.
And we should take it as a warning sign, a volley,
if you will, across the bow, politically speaking, that we
got to do something. We got to get on our
p's and q's. I know, Roland, I know you, and
I know the most intelligent observers of our community after
you know, are often you know, sounding the alarm. I
(01:05:56):
don't care what them poles are saying. Even if we
say half of it is right, half of is wrong,
or it's off by so many percentage points, and it
therefore doesn't truly represent Ain't no problem, ain't no harm
in overdoing it. At halftime or was it last night
Anthony Edwards was saying to his teammates, do not let
your foot off the gas. So they end up winning
(01:06:19):
by what forty five points? So the point is that
we cannot let our foot off the gas. We have
to assume we have a formidable opponent. Because we do,
we have to assume that there is a bleeding off,
a leakage of support formally accumulated within African American culture
and there is. And so therefore, despite the fact that
(01:06:40):
those poles I think are off and that there's a
differential accorded to any objective person dealing with evidence and
empirical verification of fact, that there's a difference between white
poles and black poles, that's true, But we got to
act like we are in trouble and the house is
on fire and what is we gonna do? That's where
(01:07:03):
we are, and we have to be motivated to address
that issue.
Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
How disappointed I'm gonna use the word disappointment, if not
flat out fearful, even though I would almost never associated
that associate that last word with you. How fearful are
you about the Democratic Party not having a bullpen, not
having anybody lined up? Knowing this man has been in
this picture, on this scene, this political scene, for at
(01:07:27):
least eight years in counting, and we find ourselves relying
on an assumed to be eighty two year old encumbered
to give us four more years. What does that say
to you about the party that you pride yourself and
being a part of in this Dand.
Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Yes, sir, well, first of all, I'm praying for his
health as number one, as a Baptist preacher. Jesus please
help me out. So that's number one, but number two
more seriously, you're right, we do have to develop a bench.
We have to generate. And here's the thing. Here's That's
what I know about history, though, is that there's always
a ram in the bush somewhere, that there's always somebody
(01:08:07):
ready to step up that we don't even know their name.
We didn't know Anthony Edwards was gonna be the beast.
He was drawing these comparisons to Michael Jordan two years ago.
Heck not even a year ago. We saw him coming.
We knew he was great, but we didn't know. Is
there a corollary in the political world. Maybe not, but
there are, But then maybe so. There are very articulate, insightful,
(01:08:28):
conscientious political figures. Some would say a Haiking Jeffrey, some
would say a Jasmine Crockett. Some would say you know,
younger people you know out of Congress of Jamal Bowman
and the like, who are seriously committed to making a difference.
There are white and black and Latino politicians who are
(01:08:48):
quite comfortable in trying to forge connections with people across
the aisle, but then keeping their eyes on the prize,
so that there are people who will certainly emerge, because
necessity is the mother of invention. However, it is true
that we must be deeply and profoundly committed and invested
in the process of developing a visibly ready bench of
(01:09:13):
figures to step up into not only the spotlight, more importantly,
onto the stage, to do the work that is necessary
to encourage political progress for African Americans and Latinos, and
poor white folks and Asian brothers and sisters and so on,
who are able to articulate the ideals of the American
(01:09:36):
democracy in ways that are appealing and refreshing, willing to
fight for the quote the small guy and woman, willing
to stand up for those who are poor and who
are middle class and do so. And there are many
politicians who are able to do that, So we can't
give into cynicism. There was a quote from a black
(01:09:56):
preacher and professor who was the mentor of Martin Luther
King Junior, Howard Thurman, and Howard Thurman said, never reduce
your dreams to the event you are confronting right now.
This event will not exhaust the infinite possibilities of your life.
Or your political destiny. So even though it looks dreary now,
(01:10:19):
we can't reduce our dreams to the dreariness. We've got
to elevate ourselves. And remember this, if you think it's
bad now, what was it like when Martin Luther King
Junior was alive, or Ralph Abernathy or Ella Baker or
Joanne Robinson or Rosa Parks. These people had less and
did more. So what we can't forget is that we
(01:10:40):
possessed within us the ability and the resource to pull
a rabbit out of the hat, to insist that there
will be a ram in the bush, and to make
certain not by just praying and wishing and hoping, but
by working as hard as we can, we can help
shape the very destiny about which we have fear or
(01:11:02):
about which we have concern. We are the answers we
are looking for, and we've got to do the work
necessary to change the future.
Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
My very last question to you, doctor Dyson, a wonderful
doctor Michael Erick Dyson, right here with your ise, truly,
Stephen Smith and Stephen Ay Smith. You're on YouTube as
we sit here and we talk about race, and we
talk about the black vote, particularly as This presidential election
continues to unfold, with Donald Trump and President Biden both
agreeing to a debate at least this June next month,
and of course in September, although Trump said he wanted June, July,
(01:11:33):
August in September. But that's a different subject for another day.
But as we sit here and talk about race, my
last question to you would be a race relations of
a different milk, and that is alluding to a beautiful
article that you wrote in The Philadelphia Citizen that I
have right in front of me. If you're looking for
go to the Philadelphia the Philadelphia Citizen dot org to
(01:11:54):
find this article entitled why Kendrick Versus Drake as in
Kendrick Lamar versus the One and Only Drake is a
proxy war. The rap battle everyone is talking about is
really about race, identity, Black slash Jewish relations. In this
American moment, a Citizen exclusive from a best selling author,
(01:12:14):
an elite public intellectual. That man would be the one
I'm talking to right now, doctor Michael Eric Dyson.
Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
What incited you to write this article that.
Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Was published May fifteenth and you could catch it now
and what message did you want to get out theater
and disseminate to the masses.
Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
See, I'm glad I'm talking to the Great Stephen A
Smith because in other fora you know, I've had to
hold my powder and be more balanced. And so I'm
pissed that Drake gets dismissed off the scene when he's
been Drake for fifteen years and you act like you
didn't know that. Now he's not really black? Oh he
(01:12:52):
was black? When he's recorded more songs with jay Z
than most of these rappers last time I checked. Jay
Z is real, he ain't fake. Challenge his racial identity,
saying he's a culture vulture when he's an act, when
he's a black man, he's from Canada, he ain't real.
Idris Elba is from the UK. People still love him
on the wire. So why is it that being outside
(01:13:12):
of our geography, outside of our nationality raises suspicions about Drake?
Now you can judge that you can debate the war
between Kendrick and Drake in terms of you know the quintuple,
you know entendras that Kendrick Lamar unleashes. Kendrick Lamar is
a brilliant rapper and a formidable folk, but so is
(01:13:35):
Drake and what he's done to expand the horizon of
hip hop is underestimated, even artistically. I'm saying people, while
he goes into one style and he does that, and
he goes over to UK drill and he does that.
He goes over to balance music, he does that, he
does with the Caribbean. He does this. Why are you
looking at a positive as a negative? Senko DeMaio just passed.
(01:13:57):
They had a special Senko demaiyo a celebration for jay
Z in Sinko DeMaio because jay Z has been attracted
to Latino culture, speaking Spanish all through his music, and
they had an entire program celebrating jay Z. Was jay
Z a coach.
Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Don't forget Oji Wan, I mean forget now. His brother
is right in now, I mean, come on, come on now,
we all know Wan.
Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
And Desiree Perez his wife, that's right, that is o
j Wan O j Wan and the woman who runs
his you know, rock Nation. So the point is that
is that that is jay Z a culture voture. No,
we have to stop this narrow, punishing, pernicious limited viewpoint
about blackness. Yes, have a debate about who's the greatest.
(01:14:44):
Have a debate about rhetorical skills. But but, but let
me tell you what. As Lupe Fiasco, no slouch as
a rhetorician and one of the greatest lyricists ever, said
that he would put Drake slightly above Kendrick Lamar. That's
a minor minority position, but it's a very powerful one.
He's saying that Drake got bars. So we missed Drake
(01:15:07):
because of this other madness, the distorting impact of the
metrics that we evoke his being Jewish and white and
not so called black. So was Barack Obama a mixed
race person? And my dear brother, I heard you know
that he's a friend of both of ours when we
go in the breakfast club all the time. Charlemagne to
(01:15:28):
God called it. He said this half negro. And I
want to say, Charlemagne, there's a lot of half negroes
out here who have done tremendous work for African American culture.
So that the name calling, the kind of ad hominem
remarks as opposed to a full on embrace of the
rhetorical diversity and splendor that is Drake, to me, that
(01:15:51):
would be a fairer fight. Then we could make an
estimation of what's going on, and then that piece. Of course,
I also talk about this being a proxy war for
other issues that are out there, and we can talk
about those another time. But dealing with the war in Gaza,
dealing with DEEI, dealing with black excellence, dealing with rhetorical power,
dealing with education, dealing with the colorism we see in
(01:16:12):
our own communities, because there's no question that light bright,
almost white was a thing, is a thing, and we
have to pay attention to that. At the same time,
we know that Clarence Thomas is a dark skin black man.
We know that Candace Owns is a brown skin black woman,
and they are legitimately black. I don't contest their blackness.
It's the moral content of their identities and their public
(01:16:35):
policies that I would have a difference with. So I'm arguing,
gotcha in this sense for us to understand the power
and the prolific character of a genius like Aubrey Drake Graham.
Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
We'll get more into that subject in the future, because
we got to go right now. You know what that is.
Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
That's a fall back position. Anytime black folks got a
problem with with other black folks, somebody sold out in
somebody's eyes, that's the ultimate argument. And I think that
Kendrick Lamar heard himself with that one point that you
just articulated so brilliantly. I got to get on out
of here. But I appreciate your time. You're brilliant, your excellence,
your insight, your historical facts that you're through out there
as well. Appreciate you, Love you, and thank you for
(01:17:13):
taking so much time out of your busy schedule. And
by the way, I know that we gonna catch you
soon because you're doing an interview with my man Bill
mau for Club Random. I know that's gonna be off
the chain as well with his crazy self.
Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Love you, Love you, bro. I appreciate you. Doctor. Thank
you so much for this Appartake it easy, ladies and gentlemen.
That's it for today's show.
Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
I wanted to thank again one and only, doctor Michael
Ewick dice If for coming on the show, blessing us
with his presence, his knowledge, and.
Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
His historical perspectives. No question, it is needed in this
day and age.
Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
I just felt compelled to tackle that subject because once
again I'm reiterating a point that I was making all along.
Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
I'm not one of them, But there are black folks
out there.
Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
That are veering away and are looking to support not
Joe Biden, but Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
It cannot be ignored. It should not be ignored. Networks
are not ignoring it, the people are.
Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Not ignoring it. I'll be damned if I'm going to
I'm not going to do that. But I appreciate doctor
Michael Erck Dyson's voice. I can't wait to get my
man Roland Martin back on here. And by the way, conservatives,
black conservatives of a different opinion whose voice resonates, who
have people who want to listen to and hear what
they have to say, You're welcomed on the show too.
Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
I'm not leaving anybody out. I take them all, liberals
and conservatives, black, white Latinos. It doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
As long as the conversation is respectful, substantive, and fear
and edifying.
Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Those are my requirements. I hope you can respect that.
Gotta get on out of here for the day.
Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Got a knixed Pacers game six Eastern Conference semifinal series
to cover, so I gotta get on out of here.
I hope y'all all have a wonderful wonderful weekend and
I will see you on Monday. Until then, peace, love everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
I'm out.
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