September 10, 2025 • 76 mins
In this powerful and deeply moving episode, the hosts sit down with renowned trans community advocate Bamby Salcedo, founder and president of the TransLatin@ Coalition, to explore the intersections of identity, activism, and resilience.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
To me.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I guess it was like the escape that I needed
to get away from my reality.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Can you love me outside of your ego? Can you
love me outside of the confines of which your ego
wishes to keep me? Really? Start us? Who can make
me laugh? Who has goals? Who will get in my
guts and then let me get in their guts? And
that's it. Lord.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
My name is Curly and I'm Maya.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
The Super Secret Bestie Called Podcast Season four is here
and we're locked in.
Speaker 6 (00:33):
That means more juicy cheese.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Mat terrible love, advice.
Speaker 6 (00:37):
Evil spells to cast on your eggs.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah, we're not doing that this season.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Oh well, this season we're leveling up.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Each episode will feature a special bestie and you're not
gonna want to miss it. So what are you waiting for?
Speaker 7 (00:49):
Getting here?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Getting here? Whoa? Maybe we're gonnauw a rope down to
you so you can come up. Don't trap lot, just jump.
They don't call you bamby for nothing. Wow.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Well, well, welcome back to another Minnesota The Super Secret
Bestie Club Podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
How are you feeling, Curry? Are you feeling goods? We
have a really special guest only haven't done our house
your spirit this season so far? Okay, one, how's your spirit?
My spirits? Oh well, it's kind of crazy times right now,
which is you know, kind of uh, it's June. When
they're listening to this will probably be yeah, juicy times
in the world, kind of wild. But I'm trying to
(01:31):
find small moments of happiness. I made myself pasta last
night and then I had six bowls a bit so
at this like I don't always how to say, you
like boil it and milk and gonzume and like water,
and then it just like makes it really do it.
(01:52):
It's kind of seasoning, not so much. Yeah gonzume, yes, soapapika? Okay, ready,
but how's your spait? How are you doing?
Speaker 8 (02:01):
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I couldn't sleep last night.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I will.
Speaker 8 (02:04):
I went to Universal Studios the day before and I
feel like and maybe I got a little sun sick,
but I was like my cousin. My cousin and her
daughter were there and they both have unique voices where
they joke like.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
This all type and her daughter's like, I'm gonna go
on the.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Bug right verbado that's how she sounds. I'm like, we
gotta get this kid on a show. All day long.
She's like, I'm slanting the flies. I think we call
him a fly, but you ye, well, today we have
(02:40):
this super special gas. It's somebody that every time I
see them at a party, I what's the word accost him? Like?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Like is that the word accost him? I basically like
run up on her all the time. And I'm like,
all I want is a giant mural of you. I
have this like fantasy of like like true La saints,
like true La figures who have done a lot for
the community, who have pulled people together, and part of
(03:08):
what I really love about saints versus like angels. You know,
people will be like, oh, you're such an angel, Like
I'm like, I don't want to be a fucking angel
with that jog off to rush being angel, right, But
like faiths like angels don't check out itels a JACKA, Yeah,
I don't think they did. Did you just have? I
don't think angels have favorite parts. I feel like thinks though,
like they have this thing where a lot of their
(03:30):
stories kind of started off kind of shady, and then
they find the light to some capacity, right, and then
they dedicate their like to this light outside of God.
And religion, but just binding this goodness. And there they
weren't always like what you might think of as like
a somebody at the you know, a good start, right,
(03:50):
And so I think of the patron saints of La
and Bambi is one of the people that I think of,
and she's here with us today and I always saw her.
I'm waiting for that mirror all. But for those of
you who are joining us today who might not be
familiar with Bambi's work, we wanted to introduce her to y'all.
(04:13):
And here is just a little bio that we did well,
that we wrote with the help of a little angel.
I don't know, yes, And then uh Bombi sa Bombie
is a fierce, unstoppable trans a Latina leader living her
(04:35):
truth under the La sun. Born in Gaa and now
rapping Los Angeles. This fiery Libra Libra has been through
it all, addiction, incarceration, discrimination, and came out on the
other side stronger, louder, and more committed to justice than ever.
As the founder of the Trans Altina Coalition, the largest
(04:57):
trans organization in the country, right, uh Bondby fights every
day for the rest of trans immigrants, turning her own
survival story. It's a fuel for community change. She's proof
that even when life tries to break you, you can
rise and glitter heels and powers well for us.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Thank you, Thank you so much for for the opportunity
to be here community, to be in community withw and
shout out to the bitter fun of watching.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
But my spirit, it's amazing right there.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You know, I try to be.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Grounded and grateful, and.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You know, I try to be you know, just knowing
that everything is going to be okay. Right right there,
we are going to overcome, right because we always do.
Said so, you know, my spirit is good, my help
is good, and I feel like everything else is second there.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Thank you for being here, like it really is such
an honor, and I mean you were just such We
got here a little earlier today and we immediately sat
in like a stairwell and we were thirteen years old
at junior high and we immediately started talking about your life,
which is wild.
Speaker 8 (06:23):
Yeah, I mean, and the windas came to the room,
you guys were talking about a little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I was like, wait, yes, yeah, a little butter be
is so interesting. It's so amazing, Like you're gonna love
this soup, by the way, But like, I want to
start with where we started in the stairwell, which is
you're the first time you ever. So we talk about addiction,
and we talk about you're sober now and drug use.
But you said you started sniffing glue and trying certain
(06:48):
drugs at eight You said eight years old? What are
you doing at eight years old? That You're like, did
you just really what does this smell like? And then
you get a hit or something and you're like that
felt good?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
No, I think just a combination of things, right, I
think I now I'm able to understand, right that I
was a very needy kid, right, like a very little child,
right and an early age, so like I knew that
(07:20):
there was something in me right, like that couldn't identify, right,
which I now understand that it's about being who I am. Right.
But you know, my mother my father left my mother
before I was born, right, and so my mother was
left to waste three kids on her own as a
(07:42):
young person who came to the city from the outskirts, right,
And so she didn't have time to you know, give
me the love and you know, and answer whatever questions
I had or whatever. All right, like and so, and
also you know, like later like later in our lives
(08:05):
when it was well we were little, like you know,
my mother got together with an abusive person too, right,
and so to me, I guess it was like the
escape that I needed to get away from my reality.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Escape is yet Ryan. I've also mentioned that by the
time you were Globe, you had already decided to they
were already like you were incarcerated already, or you were
being put into systems where they were jailing young people.
What were and by the way, just time what we're
going to be talking about a lot of things that
might be sensitive to some people, so like and Bambi.
(08:42):
You know, I checked out Bambi before this, and we
made sure that Bami was comfortable with all of the questions.
So if you're in the comments or whatever, I don't
think that we're being that I'm being rude that we
talked about you and you said we're going Kiki and
so it's child. You can color my Bodeoh we could
talk about right, I'm pretty open my anything. Yeah, But okay,
so then you're twelve years old, like what is happening
(09:04):
that you're like getting in this much trouble that now
you know, law enforcements involved.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well, I mean, you know again at a very early age, right,
like I I learned how to navigate my life, right,
and so you know, I wanted to like help my
mother write I am the second oldest and my fast
(09:30):
turn from my mom, and so I was considered like
the men of the house, right, So I wanted to
help my mother so like get her out of her mystery. Right.
And and so I was you know, I was a
good student, you know, like when elcalific and all of that, right,
(09:51):
But at the same time, I was, you know, I
was in a gang you know, for with children and
all the children, right, did you ever gain name? Yes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
I mean that gang they called me in Nuclear oh
because like I don't know if you remember I back
(10:12):
in the day the Bionic Man or whatever, so and engaged.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
The series was.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Called okay, yeah, okay, and so so yeah, that's my
peers called me because you know I was I was
a badass.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
So bad yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
But you know, but there was like I guess the
sign of a spects and stuff, you know, and so
so you know I was good at school. I was
you know, pretending to be good, but it wasn't right.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
And then.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
On the streets, right, when you're on the streets, you
learn a lot of the street life and you know,
and you also learn how to survive on the streets.
And so because you know, I learned to do carme right,
that's how I, you know, was arrested the first time.
Are twelve years old, after I finished Maria right in
(11:11):
like after sixth grade, and yeah, so I was arrested
for you know, snatching a purse from a person.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Wow, and so and then it went to you know,
gym the hall and say, is that wasn't like your family,
because then you come to the States.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
And you.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Are with your dad that you don't know, and then
your dad sends you with his primo Primas who owned
a restaurant and there's something else and the factory where
Bambi went to working with the US a little bit here.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah, part of my family's the own one also, And
it's like such a special experience to be able to, like,
I don't know, just have that sort of like it
just in like your experience of growing up and learning.
And I feel like it made my family have more
respect for like our culture and everything but that that
(12:24):
you know.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, that was a ticktim fourteen hour issues like girl
for it goes. So you're telling me how like you
were like it's it was three people working at a
datam factory. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, So it was the person who would feed the machine.
So the person that would put the massa in the machine, right,
and so that the machine like cuts the massage and
the like you know, goes through the cooking process and
then it spits out the yas. And so there was
(13:01):
a person there catching the tortillas and putting them on
the tray and then and then like we had like
a rack where we would put the trays and they
will pass the trays to me.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And I was the bagger. So I was sixteen, Wow,
could not do it. I could bread to wear my
ass at sixteen and so old, but I won't like
do a hard job like that. Like yeah, because you
were saying that, you right, put them all into the
bus and then you have to put the little like
metal thing around it or what is it?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, yeah, So basically so like they put so the
machine spits out like stocks of twelve a dozen and
so like once it counts the right and so when
it comes to a dozen and it spits it out.
Then the person gets a dozen and puts it on
the tray and and so yeah, so there's trace of
(14:03):
twelve dozens of tops. And so my job was to
get each dozen, stuck them up in three and then
get a back, put them in twisted, and then like
put the little thing to clothe them, and then put
them in a in a box.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I was like, like that much, I think, are you
sick of then? No? I think I think for a minute,
I did on the snow.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, but like also, you know, like because after that,
you know, after all of that happened. And I only
did that for like two years, and then I came
to Los Angeles, and Los Angeles is when I started
my transition, and you know, and started.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Doing how old are you when you came to Los Angeles?
I was eighteen, So when I turned eighteen over there,
I came to Los Angeles, how did you have that
moment where you suddenly were like, oh, I think that
thing that I mentioned earlier where I felt different is
actually maybe having to do with my identity, and I
(15:11):
think that has to deal with my gender. Like how
did you well, you know, I watched a little while ago.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Right, Like I at the early age, I was able
to like live different types of lives, right, like in
different spaces. And so I had my gang friends, and
then I had you know back in the day you
probably don't even remember. You probably doesn't even know, but
(15:40):
there was a very popular group called Mendle right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Irackie Martin, that's not right, right, right?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
So so I rid into a young group of young
people and then part gay, right, and so.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
They had a fun club of a noodle.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And so I that's how I started hanging out with
also young people around twelve.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
So I dressed up for the first time when I
was about twelve years old, these trope of people.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And and then it goes different, right, Like you can
go to clubs, you know whatever, one you're younger than
you're supposed to write. So I went to a gay
club for the first time. I think it was the
only gay club about twelve at twelve, what I was stock, yes, sir,
so yeah, So that was like my first experience. And
(16:29):
obviously then when I put the dress stock, I was like,
you know, I'm like yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
But I couldn't be me, you know, And.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
It happened until I was at a place where nobody
knew me to where like, you know, I'm away from everybody,
you know what I mean, and like it is time
for me to live in life, so to speak, you know.
And so that's why, you know, I run into trans
(17:02):
woman on the streets and I was like, okay, you
know this is where white people are, and that's how
I started.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Wow. Yeah, there was a moment with me like when
I was so for most of my life, I would
say from the age of I don't know, when I
was a baby, maybe like young kid, I would say,
maybe I was that I like a baby, queer baby,
queer baby gay. Up until I was like eighteen, I
would say I really believed that I actually was female,
(17:33):
but that I had I thought this was going to
fall off. I thought it was like the lizards that
you scare, only you grab a lizard and they get
scared and the tail just falls off. I thought it
as load. Can you just imagine Nobo's actually what happened me.
But that was what I thought for a very long time,
and it had to do a lot with not only
(17:55):
how I felt on the inside, and but also the
way that people perceived me because people used to get
confused with what I was as a young person, like
I didn't have a lot of facial hair, my voice
like has my voice constantly has gotten like change as
I got older. So I didn't hit puberty right until
I was maybe seventeen eighteen, so up until that point,
(18:19):
smooth face, not much body hair, no j col that yes, yes,
And so people would be like, young lady, can I
help you write this way? Or I would be like
at restaurants with my family and they would be like
this and then we're like, oh no, that would be
more by because I know, you know Latino parents would
(18:40):
be like as Nino, you know, and like we don't
have to tell it. It's okay, Like it's fine, I'm okay,
I'm not actually no.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Well, like what would you feel like would you feel
like oh that, like did.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
You kind of like if I did for me? I
didn't like it in front of my straight family, do
you know what I mean? Like? And then sometimes it
would get scary right where I would go to parties
and uh sis young sis heapman would come up and
threaten to feed me up because they would be like like,
who the fuck are you trying to fool and I'm like,
(19:27):
I'm not. I'm just wearing you know, I have a
natural like dip here in my body where I'm like
kind of bussy, I guess, and then I dip so
any shit that I wear it kind of it doesn't
create cleavage, but it creates an hour blast civil way.
And so when I was younger, a lot of people
would be like, you know, who are you trying to fool?
(19:48):
And sometimes I would make out with guys and I
thought they liked me, and it would be a thing
where they would go, hey, fool.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Like that's a fucking dude, Like you're kissing a dude right.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Now, and I would be like, I thought you knew.
I wasn't I'm trying to you know. It was it
was I I so for the longest time, and then
when I always tell people it is I feel like
I had a voice in my head, maybe in my
late teens, in my early twenties, whether it was like
something telling me like, you're just going to be a
guy in this life, like, so just have fun with
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it like me. So now I feel look on cosplaying
a little bit of just like so we always joke
that it's like I know, like when I get to
this side, like this spirit is probably a lady spirit,
but it's like I'm like her little boy that she's
dressing up, like she's like, oh, it's me Nina Dodger hat.
You know, I want the dthers but like like you know,
(20:39):
a little sports gear. So I always get curious about
how other people who are coming to terms with how
they want to express their identity. Yeah, I mean I
can you bring like a really interesting points, right, because
I think you know, in different ways, we.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
All children are corrupted by our parents, right, And I
think you know, without even us understanding, right, like unconsciously
or subconsciously, right, like we.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You know, we automatically know like what our role is
supposed to be. Right, But that is because our parents
and their parents and their parents, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Like it's it's just.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
A an intergenerational corruption that has happened to all children, right,
because you know, all children are in a sense, right,
And I think we have to understand the societal constructions
(21:51):
right that we have that unconsciousness has you know, tell
us or allow for us to feel guilty about who
we are truly, right, And I mean an example of that,
right is like you know, blues for boys, thanks for girls,
(22:13):
or you know the.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Critos are for the boys when you you know what
I mean, like.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Dolls are right, yeah, so so those are social constructions,
right that you know, for how many of us when
we're children, like you know it it creates confusion, right,
But also like our parents play a in such an
(22:42):
important role in our developments, right that you know, when
we are trying just to simply be ourselves when we're children,
innocent children, right, they punish us from you know what
I mean? Correct it exactly? Like you know what I mean,
like if a little kid who you know made me
(23:04):
consider a boy, right, you know, grass up doll for instance, right,
like especially like in cultures of color, right, yeah, I
know for the fact and the Latino community, like religion
is a huge thing. There are he said there are, right,
And so so anyways, I'm saying all that to really
(23:25):
say that it's important for us to be conschigious about
how we are racing up churdren.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, that's very important. I'm glad that you said that
because I.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Feel like we're all like generational cycle breakers and my
parents are.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Cycle breakers too, and same thing.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
With my brother and me.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
And I have two little nephews, and the oldest nephew
is you know, his his dad, my brother, his stepdad
you know, is like like he's into sports and doing sports.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
And all that stuff.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
But when he comes to my parents' house, you know,
where like my parents love to make music and art
and it's a very freeing household.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
So he really likes.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
To dance, and he likes to sing, and he like
also likes to maybe like where he was like interested
in my nails and he's like, can I put on
some nails for like absolutely?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
What else do you want to do? Little makeup?
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Like what do you want a little like we can
do a little.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Pop star moment.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
And I recently had to cut off a part of
my family because I could feel that they were going
to ruin that, you know. And there I have another
little nephew, and we like we want we're protecting them
right now to be.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Able to do whatever they want to do.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Without any judgment, without any barriers or like bumpers or correction.
And like if he wants to play sports, cool, but
then you know, as much as he has that interest,
he also has an interest in dancing needs really good
at it and that self expression. We all have had
a moment in our lives where we wanted to do
something and we were so excited about it, and remember
(25:11):
an adult or a you know, older figure shutting it
down and feeling like dang, I wonder.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
What if what would have happened if I had a
supportive parent at that time?
Speaker 6 (25:23):
Don't nurture that talent and that.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
You know, just that interest days self expression.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And the being of the person right, just be just
it's at using like no fritures, no, no nothing, And
I think you know, and we have to rustle again,
right like when I talk about intergenerational right, like those
individuals have you know been thought that right? And then
again the parents you know, and our right and so
(25:57):
so it's something that we learned, right, something that we're that.
But I think one of the things that I believe
is super important also is for for parents to truly
understand the meaning of unconditional lave.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, right, because when it.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Comes to us, right, you know knows this and right
like oh you can make whoever you want, but don't
bring anybody not like dot, don't get dressed up you right,
you know what I mean, and so those are conditions, right,
Like I love you if you don't do this right,
(26:38):
and so so we need to like really understand what
is the true meaning of our conditional love so that
we can love our children unconditionally regardless.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Can you love Can you love me outside of your ego?
Can you love me, I like, outside of the confines
of which your ego wishes to keep me?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Right?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Yeah, And like, did you have a kid that to
be an extension of you so you can control that image?
Or did you have a child so that she or
she or they can like exist in society however they
want to, Like I feel like that's a lot of
older parents are, like they want to control so hard,
(27:18):
and it's like, did you just you want me to
just be a mini you? Like yeah, you know, which
is fine, like to have a sort of like a
vision for your child, but like if it's servicing your
egos so much, it feels very wrong.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
So what it would think is the main responsibility of
a parent, right, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, sure that we stay alive, right, stay healthy, stay calm.
They like, be a good person and be the best
person that you can be, feel safe about doing it.
Know that you're supported, know that you're grounded. I think
that for me, if I were to be a parent,
my job would be like how can I amplify and
how can I celebrate who you are? Right? Because one
of the things that I always say is that I
(28:07):
mean persons he saying, oh I accept you. I hate that.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Yeah, I was going to bring that up because saying that.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Don't accept me, except accepting is what you do when
you order something on THEMU or tumu and you're like
someone I ordered, but whatever, fuck it out, accept it.
It still works. It's still scratchy. Celebrating is like, this
is exactly what I wanted. You are exactly the baby
that I wanted. You know, like maybe I didn't know
that you were going to be queer, and maybe I
didn't know that you were going to be gender queer,
(28:35):
but you are certainly the spirit with the beautiful heart
that I wanted, And here you are. How can I
protect you? That's what I think.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Yeah, I think it's about nurturing and nourishing those parts,
those aspects that like, there are going to be parts
of your kid that you're not going to understand. But
that's like, that's the reason why they're the new generation,
Like you're supposed to feel a little bit more open
to allow them to teach you, but also you know,
teaching them morals and the you know do's and don'ts
(29:05):
and rights and wrongs of like society and like all
that stuff, of course. But like I think it's like
you said, like that celebrating Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I mean, I mean, I think you know, obviously we
all have opinions, yeah, and we have we all have
different ways of thinking, right, But in my opinion, a
role of a parent should be to love, to protect,
to guide, to encourage, to you know, to explore, right,
(29:39):
like to explore life together, right and obviously create an
opportunity for a human being who is also in the
path of discovery.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And so how do we value rightly the existence of
a human being?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
And it's fullness, yeah, absolutely, And and and provide the
support and the guidance and everything that a little person needs. Right.
But mostly it's just like, Okay, I'm here too for you, Yeah,
and whatever you way you think I can show up
for you.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
I do think the word protect, right, It is very
interesting because especially in Latino culture, right, and specifically I'm
thinking of my mom the way that she was with
me when I came out. Yeah, she would cry so
much for me, Yes, but she would cry. She would
be like, and they would make me practice how to
(30:42):
walk manly or outside as a young kid, back and back,
because I would I would walk my hands like this,
and I would have a little ring and I mess
with it like this. I would be like this all
the time like that. Yes, I still do. I still
do still Like what do you call me, my little lady?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Because also we feel like a past life, like I
was a man and you were a girl, and we
were married, were married.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
In this lifetime.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
We're like, we need some space to explore, like we
can still be tied together, but we need to Also.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
We had a psychic tell us that we were.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Like confirmed confirmed, Yes, past lives I can told us.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah. She also was like, you had a lot of
lives as a woman, and she's like you maybe had
one of their life as a man. And that was so.
I thought it was really interesting. I did. Before we
move on, I do want to get into your incarceration.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
For the story, but before I think, I think it's
something important. I guess that you mentioned that happens to
like the maority of us. I'm not going to say
to all of us, right, that happens with our parents, right,
are the majority of our parents think that is their
fault that we are who we are, and they get
(31:55):
to think like what did I do wrong? You know?
And and they obviously you know, like the example that
you gave, right, like, oh, you know, I'm trying to
protect you, right because I did something wrong and that's
not necessarily true, right, Like I think we're destined to
(32:16):
be who we are, right. I think it's I believe
in spirituality, right, and it's our spirits right, Like you
just give an example of like who you were perhaps
in another life, right, but this is a cardinal you know,
presence right now, right, And so like I know for
(32:37):
a fact that my spirit is of a like a
worry spirit, right, Like somebody told me once that me
spirito is of an indigenous word.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Oh, I know that by feeling your energy, I can
also confirn that to you, Like I know that well.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
And I believe it because like, okay, that makes sense,
you know, like.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
Yes, yeah, yeah, But anyways, I just wanted to like absolutely,
I mean, and you know, when Bambi has been on
stage and Bambi says things like we're not going to
give up, and I see other people in the room
also being like the hefa, we're going to follow Bambi's lead.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You are you are that, you are like you know,
at the front of the war lines, you know, running
up and down and being on your horse, going up
and down and being like, we're going to go in there.
This is the plan. You know, You're like the Joan
of arc but much cooler. Giants in your hair. Wait
(33:43):
do you wait? Okay, wait, sorry, I don't There's just
so much to cover. But okay, So we talked about
earlier how you were. I also just want to go
how we got from you being somebody who was incarcerated,
you found love and then you get out and you
become the head of just the largest trans organization in
the country. Right, So, how does somebody go from being incarcerated?
How long were you encarcerated for? So?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I so here in Los Angeles? So I again? I
I was incarcerated essentially from age twelve until like my thirties. Wow,
so I don't know, so twenty years.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Sat in return? Like right, when everything is supposed to
change for you.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
You just yeah, I so here in Los Angeles or
actually in the state of California. I was about fifteen
years in and out of jail, prison, immigration, detention and
all of that.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Wow, I mean you told me so far. We covered
that you learned English in solitary confinement because you had nothing.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I learned to read.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I learned to read in English. Sorry. Yeah, And then
you told me that you had a burrito business as well.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well, I did a lot of things a person. Yeah,
I didn Yes.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Can you tell me what you said ups there where
you were like I wasn't willing to, but I was
willing to.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Well, okay, so you know, so it's it's no of course.
So I think for trans women, right, like when you're
in person, like, there's so many different things that happen, right,
I remember when I was in prison. You know, imagine
yourself being on in prison with three thousand men and
(35:28):
probably let's say openly, let's say thirty gay boys and
about ten trans women, right, so ten transform for three
thousand men. Right, So there's a lot of like harassment
that happens, you know, and obviously you know there's sex
(35:52):
work that happens inside, you know, And I was never
a good hoe, you know, like I mean I could
be a whole.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Who we want to be a whole right exactly.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Right, So yeah, you know, like but in Prinson, like
even on the streets, right like, and that was part
of you know, the things that I did that obviously
led for me to end up in prison and incarcerated
and criminalized, right like for being who I am. Right,
but you know, the only option back then was like
(36:26):
to do sex work for us, right like. There was
no services, no support or nothing, right, And so I
tried it for you know, and I did it for
a long time, but I was I didn't ever like it,
and I was not good at it. So but what
I was good at it was like, you know, put
myself on a corner, get a car, and then you know,
(36:50):
just get the guy out and steal everything from something.
That's what I used to do. And so instead of
like wearing on a corner for like all night waiting
to make a couple of hundred bucks, I would just
make the money for like a week or two.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Because you just take everything in the car. You would
just take everything in.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
The car, well everything from the guy in the car
and it's everything that's.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Amazing, everything, everything, like everything, How can I do that?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
If I had, I would leave that person naked on
the street, you know what I mean. So like they
probably deserved it, probably, But there were also horrible things
that happened to me when I was on the streets, right,
and so in prison, so like I was never a
good ho, right, and so in person I learned to
(37:45):
you know, to survive in there also, so I learned
different things, you know, and making burritos it was one
of those things. You know, like in person, there's like
an economy, right, that is you exchange things, right, and
so you know there's people that work in the kitchen
(38:06):
for instance, right, like they they would get you know,
tomatoes out and say oh yeah, and things like that,
and so you know there are crack pots and that
you could use and and so yeah, so that's how
(38:35):
you know, you know, cheese and meat and all of that,
like you make burritos. And then I used to sell britos.
And I used to also wash clothes for people. And
I used to yeah, for people who have money, right,
like yeah, like yeah, I wash your clothes. I earned
your clothes and stuff and you know I used to
draw and do grating cards, you know, and yeah, I
(38:59):
used to do and things like that.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
So you're incarcerated, you're selling burritos, you're washing clothes. I
would love to later on, when you're not super busy
like saving all of us from madness, I would love
to commission a fucking like car greeting cards, like old
school Bambie drawing frame that ship so fast. But okay,
so then you're in prison. I know on this podcast
(39:23):
we talk about love, but you're there, and oh so
you we talk about love all the time, and you
find love. You found love and a hopeless place in
cell block eight. I don't know like what the cell
blocks are numbered or anything.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Well, yeah, so so back then, right, I was put
in a unit to well if back then, you know,
when you're transferred to p and they put you in
(40:02):
isolation for like fourteen days, you know, just to make
sure that you don't have TV and stuff like that,
and then they released you to the general population.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
And so.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
When I was in this wing, in this unit, then
when I was released, they put me on this other unit.
And I remember, you know, I was going up right,
because there's no elevators, you know stuff. So so yeah,
so I entered this unit and I was with my
(40:34):
little blanket and stuff, and then I started going the
stairs and then I saw this like beautiful man coming down,
and I, you know, we just look at each other
like really quick, and I was like, oh, you know, like,
oh cute, please right, clear place to be at. And
(40:55):
so I just went to myself. And it happened that
because we were in single units, single cell units, and
so my cell was three or two and he was
in three or four, so he was three cells down,
two cells. So it was my cell, another cell in
(41:15):
the middle, and then another cell and and so it
was just like, you know, we would see each other
all the time. But he was I don't know at
the beginning. I think he was kind of like transphobe,
you know, because you know, like when you're in prison
and when you're a man, like you're supposed to portray
(41:36):
like this image, right and so you know, so he
was a white boy, and so like in prison, you know,
you're not supposed to mix with other races, right like,
and so that may be one of the things, the
fact that I was also a transperson, right, So like
there was this thing. But what happened, and it was
(41:57):
that in the time there was a lockdown, there was somebody,
you know, somebody was stabbed and whatever. So they lacked
all the Latino people and the whole person. And so
I was in my cell and so he would come
out and I would just be in my cell in
(42:17):
the little window, just looking out. And then I asked him,
you know, hey, can I get some tobacco? So he
was just standing outside of my cell and he's like, yeah,
I'll get you some tobacco, you know. And then from
there we kind of like and so yeah, and from
(42:45):
there it was like, uh, you know, he would come
and check on me. It was like how you doing,
and I'm like okay, God. But also happened that one
of my friends, Sandra, who was also my bisona. She
her boyfriend or husband, uh, was a friend of Bob.
(43:09):
And so I was inside inside, inside, inside, yeah, inside,
And so I was like, girl, tell So the guy's
name was Tubs. I used to call him Tubs and
tell Tubs to you know, tell what what's up?
Speaker 5 (43:30):
I want to be with him.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
So so anyway, so then we because I was locked
up at that time, like the whole Mexican Latino community.
And at that time, we're all locked up for like
two months because they actually like kill people, like somebody
at that time. Uh. And so after we started talking,
(43:53):
we started He's like me Rey and Wheeler. That's what
they used to call it. Wes like a note. It's
like y me a Wheeler. And I was like okay,
So we started writing each other like this long ass,
you know, and and that sort of like combination of
(44:16):
things was that it became his birthday. And by then
I was we were out of lockdown, so it became
his birthday. And I remember that I made this you know,
lingarete type with a you know boxers right that you
get there, and so like I made like a two
(44:36):
piece and and I was knocking to his cell because
you know, they they lacked the cells, right, So like
I s knock into his cell. And then when he
was inside, like I was.
Speaker 11 (44:46):
Like you know that I had my hair like, you know, growing,
and I was like peper yeah wow.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
And so yeah, so that was the first time that
we made left Wow. Nothing like a bit of show.
I wanted to conquer him.
Speaker 11 (45:17):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
So how long did that last for that relationship?
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Uh? So we were we were I was in there
for I think he had about a year left, and
so did I like I and so it just so
happened that we were getting out, like a few days apart,
and we had plans for us to link up on
the outside, and we did. And yeah, it was so
(45:42):
interesting because he took me to his mom.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, and it's you know, his mom was like she
didn't know for like a minute. How her his mom
found out that I was trance was when my pro
officer went to do a check up and asked for
my name and the union number. And then the mom
(46:07):
was like, what yeah, because we were not supposed to
you know, two parolis were not supposed to live together,
and so the address his address. Yeah, so the other
the other that he had was his mom and then
(46:29):
we had another apartment, but so that was my address,
and so they went to look for him, and then
you know, since I don't know, something happened that we
had the same parole officer and asked for me because
I wasn't there, and she was like, that's so that's
how she found out.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
And then you did say that Bob years later did
pass away, and was that like a were you guys
still together till the day that he passed.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
And uh, well, what happened was that, you know, we
we love each other so much, you know, and you
know I would do anything for him, right, And so
what happened in our promises to each other, right, that
we got busted together for a crime that we did,
(47:24):
and so they sent us to prison, right. And in
that process, because they give us like a packet deal,
you know, because he was a three striker whatever anyway,
so they give us a packet deal. I got three
years and he got seven years, so give us a
packet of ten years. So in that process we got separated.
(47:49):
I got out, and I was supposed to, you know,
do crime and come back you know with money and stuff, right,
but some thing happened, right, Like, I didn't do that
because I reformed my life, and so we were in
contact together and stuff like that. And when he got out,
(48:14):
you know, like I was already you know, I was
not doing what I used to do. And so when
he got out, he wanted he wanted to continue to
do the same that you know, what we're doing before.
And so I didn't want that life anymore. And so
I was already involved in community and doing other stuff
and and so that kind of like, you know, I
(48:38):
guess shaped a relationship, but what we're connected. And then
he started getting sick because you know, because we used
to I mean, I was a super drug addict, so
we used to share needles and stuff like that. And
so he he had hepsie and then he developed say
(49:00):
psoriasis and delivery. But you know, and so eventually he
passed away. But we're still see each other. We were
living together when we first came out, but I couldn't,
you know, I told him that, hey, you have to go,
like after two years.
Speaker 9 (49:16):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
And then you know, our rest in peace, sending him love, sending.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Him we love you. Yes.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yes, So there is a segment now that I touched
base with you about beforehand because I thought, you know,
a lot of people are kind of afraid of talking
about trans issues, right, like they don't really know. Sometimes
it's the language. Sometimes it's like what is the information
that exists? I think that sometimes people also don't understand
(49:47):
that a lot of times the things, the issues that
they're bringing up were actually rooted in cis hetero men
and not women are trans women, right or not? Women
in general. So in this segment uh where I'm calling
uh mean mean girl questions? What is it? Wait?
Speaker 5 (50:05):
What we said mean girl questions for nice girls?
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Mean girl questions for nice girl?
Speaker 5 (50:12):
Question number one?
Speaker 3 (50:13):
What?
Speaker 5 (50:14):
And also I want to mention too, like I saw
this video with ts Madison and Nini Leaks where she
Ts was educating Nini on a lot of like just
trans related identity issues and stuff, and I was just
shocked and in the way like people just are still
(50:37):
uninformed about the identity and just the misconceptions. So and
this is what they asked you on the on that episode,
you said, the first question, what makes a woman slash?
Should trans women use bathrooms assigned for women?
Speaker 2 (50:56):
I mean, the short answer is yes, But I do
want to say that. But I think we have a
real issue in terms of, you know, how people are
not even even able to defend who we are as people.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
I'll give you an example, like you know rain now politically, right,
we are the main target in the center of everything
that is happening. Right, It's like we you know, as
soon as the administration came out like all of these
executive orders, you know, criminalizing our existence and the nine opportunities. Uh.
(51:38):
And also you know, like politicians blame us that they
lost the election, right and so, and that's why we're
seeing that, you know, politicians are flip flapping, you know.
And one of the main reasons is because they don't
know how to talk about us, right, And that's just
(51:59):
people in right. They the right has fictionated so much
on things like little things in my opinion, right, like
the bathroom issue for instance, right, right, But those are
like narratives that they have created to criminalize us, to
(52:23):
criminalize our existence, right. And so you know, going back
to social constructions, right, you know, the fact that we
have male and female bathrooms is a social construction. How
many of us have designated badrooms in our houses?
Speaker 9 (52:45):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (52:46):
I know, everybody goes to the same bathroom, right, we
all go to the so you know, so again this
is a social construction, right. And so the right has
been able to develop a narrative about us and painting
a picture of us being masters, this narrative of you know,
(53:06):
trans women going to bedrooms too, you know, to sexualize
other women for instance, or to rape other women. There
has not been a case that has come up that
that has actually happened, but that's the narrative that they created.
(53:26):
On the other hand, politicians have been caught in badroom
extreme conservative Christian politicians pastors right, right, and so they
want to blame us, you know, for their internalized shit, right,
And so I think we have to really understanding, like
(53:50):
you know, the narrative that they have created, right, like
the inability for trans people to participate, you know, for
young trans people to participate in sports, for instance, right,
Like people do not know how to defend us, right, Like,
there's actual research, there's actual you know, the Olympic Committee
(54:12):
has declared that it's okay for trans people to participate, right,
But the narrative that in the lies that have been
created about us of participating in simple things, it's ultimately
to deny the ability for us to have opportunities within
our society and to ultimately erase our accestence as people.
Speaker 5 (54:36):
It's just like the obsession that they have, like mind
your business, Like it's a clear deflection and projection that
like it's and it's so harmful and it's not rooted
in fact whatsoever. Just like you said, like these politicians
have you guys have your own issues, like did you
(54:57):
just get caught the other day, like you're worrying about
minor business.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Well, those are strategies that they use to for people
to not focus on the real things. I'm gonna give
you an example, right, Like, there's something right now that
is happening that it's it's going to change the course
of the lives of many people who are under privilege. Right,
And we're talking about the federal budget right, like this
(55:26):
bullshit bill, right, and that is why it's happening. What
is happening in Los Angeles for instance, right, Like they
want for people to focus on that and not what
is happening, right, because what they're doing is that they're
going to cut life saving services to people, right, people
(55:50):
who depend on things.
Speaker 3 (55:54):
What are some of those services, Like we're talking about
like well.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Essential services like medicaid, medicaire, you know, like medicare, medicaid food,
you know what I mean. Like they've cut you know,
international aid for you know, poor countries, right, like like
poor children, like so like all of those things, right,
Like they're slashing all of those things and you know,
(56:24):
giving tax breaks to billionaires or you know, giving money
to gun companies who can purchase silencers for their guns,
for instance. You know, so like they're giving people other
benefits that the majority of us don't even understand how
(56:46):
budgets work, how things work. Like luckily I have been
able to learn about a lot of that stuff, but
those are real things that impact people's lives. For years.
Speaker 5 (57:02):
M h.
Speaker 3 (57:04):
M h.
Speaker 5 (57:10):
M hm hm.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
I was selling Bambi how it's wild, how like she
learned how to read, uh, and now she understands all
these wild things in solitary and confinement. And I can
barely read one email. I'm like, too long, didn't read
like I don't know what. I'm like, You're out here
changing lives and I'm like, I don't know those emails
is looking a little too long.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Well, but I also went to school, you know what
I mean? Like I do have a master's degree.
Speaker 3 (57:35):
I don't have because I had my ibs was acting
up and I was like, do I add this one
last class or do I go take a ship? And
I chose my bout movements. To be honest, I chose
my body. Okay. So the other question, one other question
is are our trans writes impeding on CIS women rights?
(58:00):
And one of the notes that I wrote here was like, again,
that doesn't sound like a trans woman issue. That sounds
like you're worried about in their mind, sis hetman, you know,
because I'm like, trans women are not going to do
what you think a straight man is.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
Going to do.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
So like, what would you say to somebody who's like
you will you're impediing like Harry Potter, Oh, we don't know,
we won't, but like something like that, like what would
you say to something like.
Speaker 5 (58:37):
Me?
Speaker 2 (58:37):
Now there's again in our society, right, Like I think
you know, if you have clouds, right, clouds, you can
influence the way people think right, for the good or bad, right,
And so you know, I mean, let's let's just put
(58:57):
you know this other person who you know what it's
called X now, right, you know he can influence elections
for instance, right, any common any conversation that you know,
(59:18):
any of these people who have influenced right can change
the way people think right. And I think it's important
for us to also understand how institutional violence translates into
interpersonal violence. And I'm an example of that is we
(59:40):
have legislators and the federal government for eighty plus years
old who have decided or decide on women's bodies. What
are the rights of women's bodies for instance, right, taking
(01:00:03):
away the rights of reproductive rights you know of women
for instance, Right. Meanwhile, they're giving millions of dollars to
pharmaceutical companies to develop viagra and all of those things, right,
And so those are the people who are making decisions
(01:00:25):
about our lives, right, But they don't know nothing about
the people who they're making lass about, right, and so
that is violence that they're perpetrating.
Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
And when it comes to you know, the feminists, Women's
movement or howe or right, like, I think it's important
that we understand the trans people have been part of
many movements historically, right, and we are at the intersection
(01:01:00):
of all of that, right. And so I think, you know,
there's a lot of hypocrisy that exists right in all
social justice movements because you know, I've in the woman's marches,
(01:01:21):
for instance, where I've seen transphobic signs, right that woman,
you know, the real woman have vaginas, right, well, trans
women could also have a constructed vagina, right like you know,
(01:01:42):
or other women for instance, think like if you're not
able to bear a child, you're not a woman. Referring
to trans women, right, but there are many women who
unfortunately cannot bear a child, and that they're not a
list of a woman.
Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Yeah, it doesn't take away from their identity.
Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Exactly, you know what I mean. So like there's there's
narratives that are created, right, they influence the way people think.
And again that's how violence is portrayed against us, you know.
But what I do want to say is that for
all people who believe and social justice, then you know,
(01:02:26):
we need to stop the hypocrisy because social justice should
be for all. Right, we need to learn.
Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
To mean what we say and say what we mean absolutely.
And now for our segment, takes tix, takes sticks. So
basically you're gonna shake. Oh god, I'm obsessed with you.
Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
So in this jar can, whatever I draw is what
it's going to be.
Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
So it's yeah, so whatever you get whatever like hot
take or whatever opinion you have about whatever it.
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Says, Yeah, we'll do hot quick like whatever whatever you
pick out.
Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
One d say they what are we?
Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
You know, when you're in a relation or you're in
a right before you get into an official relationship, you
have that conversation what are we? Like are we boyfriend
and girlfriend, you know, like, like, how do you feel
about those conversations? Who should bring them up?
Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
When's the right time do it? Well?
Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
I mean I do have to say that at this
very moment in my life, and actually, like Bob, what's
my last Yeah, relationship, permanent relationship, I mean, and I
do have a lot of sex, don't get me wrong, right,
we're still yeah, but I feel I feel like I'm
(01:04:12):
not I don't have the time to invest in a
relationship like that, right because I believe that if you're
gonna be with someone, you need to invest your time,
your might, you're you know, everything that is right and
(01:04:33):
right now, I'm married to the movement that's right, you know.
And so when my time comes, I'm sure there's someone
out there who wants, you know, have some share values
and you know, want to chill and kick it, and
then I'll ask him, So what are okay?
Speaker 5 (01:04:52):
You would be asking like three or like.
Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Two? I don't Yeah, I don't know, maybe like I
don't know, maybe a couple of days or something.
Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Yeah, I feel like if I have to ask you
what are we, we're probably not meant to. If I
have to add, if.
Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
I'm not sure, I don't like that conversation, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Because we're not like hanging out right, you know, like
it should happen naturally, like we're hanging out a lot,
We're fucking a lot, you know. I can't like, what
are you doing tom What are you doing tomorrow? I
don't know who? Like it just kind of happens. And
then if it's a little lighter, like yo, like what
is this, then I'm cool with that. But if it's
like ugly, like I just need some clarity, like if
(01:05:34):
I need some clarity boo, Like at this age, I'm married.
I'm married to my own. I don't have an amazing
movement like you, but like I'm married to my you
know what I mean. Like I'm like, yes, I too,
am married to the the Yes, well.
Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
I'm also you know, I'm going to say you like
I'm married to myself right now.
Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Yeah, me too. But I still want to fox so.
Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Yes, I do that, you know. But also like I'm
in the process of like just learning to love me, right.
I don't need anyone else to love me and accept
me and value me at this moment, right, Like I
want companionship at some points, you know, But but I
(01:06:20):
don't need Like I love being by myself. I love
being naked in my eyes.
Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
I know, it's so nice. Like what's gonna happen when
I do get in a relationship like that? I live
alone too, Like I don't I don't want to change.
Like you, I find wing of the house. Yeah, own room,
you're separate, and then we can meet in the middle.
That's what my parents they live in the same house
where they have separate rooms and they sleep in separate rooms.
(01:06:44):
But they're still married thirty five years. And that's like
the secret.
Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
To There's different ways, you know, like like have a
you know what I mean, Like relationship, like whatever it is,
you know what I mean, Like I'm open to it,
Like okay, we can, you know, but it has to
be the right person for me, you know, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Who can make me laugh, who has goals? Who will
get in my guts and then let me get in
their guts and.
Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
That's it, Lloyd Well, and also who's going to be
there for you?
Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's where it's like, your next partner
is going to be the one to help you through
when your parents pass away. So choose wisely.
Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Your partner, your next partner is going to be the
one who helps you through when your parents.
Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
Yeah, like when you the person that you pick, so
you have to pick someone who can guide you through
those different things and like at.
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Least laugh at my jokes, pitch my butt, you know,
like someone that you can fark with and you'll both laugh.
Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
I don't know, I can kind of my ports don't know,
so I can whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Con your station for another day.
Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
Welcome to the zodiac section of the podcast. So you
are a Libra right your birthday? Your birthday's October twelve? Yeah, okay,
so October Libra.
Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Like your your sun, your moon sign, and your rising Okay,
I'm bothering you about that later because that might also
be why you're like a warrior warrior princess there.
Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
How do you feel as a Libra, like in just
you know, seeing other signs around you and like how
you're compatible with other signs? Like how do you feel
do you feel like like what they say a libra
is or do you have your own definition?
Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
I think now I can. I can feel like I
Libra kind of fits me right because I think now,
especially with all the responsibilities have with they're gonna saytion,
and you know, it's just my life in general, like
I need to and then like just politically in society,
(01:09:08):
you know, just in society, like I feel like I
need to have some type of balance, you know, and
so so I feel, you know, I feel like it
does fit me, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
I yeah, I would.
Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
Say so, because you know, Libra is represented by like
the scales, right, which is also like justice and it's
patience and it's also fairness. So I feel like in
the position that you're in and what you do in
your day to day life, I think that totally fits
because you're you have to kind of see from all
angles and all sides and then be the person to
(01:09:44):
like kind of translate that out to the world and
stand up for people. And libras are also really pretty.
Libs are like the magnetic like super gorgeous a theory
your ones of the zodiac. So yeah, I think that's it.
Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
I also heard somewhere because I just did a video
libras and I a lot of comments say that a
lot of people say that libras lie a lot. Is
that true? Do you think we a lot?
Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
You know, I don't know about other people, but I
can tell you that at least. One of the things
that I think it's is like people know me for
is that I'm really honest.
Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
That's a healed libra a lot, like I don't know
they do, they do low frequency.
Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
I was sharing earlier, right, like early in my life,
I was able to navigate different lies, right, so like
I was lying a lot then, But then you said, like,
I'm a heal libra and I've done a lot of
like healing work, you know, like I and so that's
why I'm like, I feel like I'm at a better place.
Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
So people have a libre at home that doesn't have
the work, maybe believe them. One out of.
Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
Three times you need to investigate to get the actual answer.
Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Do some investigations.
Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
I've lived with two libras, so I love them. No, no, no,
I love them.
Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
But you know that's what I heard.
Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
I like the ones that can be like this is
what I think. And I'm like, okay, maybe that's just
me as an aries, but like but.
Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Also like maybe maybe we you know, like I think
we all lie for survival too, so like yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Yeah, I may not be unique for libras, but you know,
you know, we all live for some things good and.
Speaker 5 (01:11:38):
That concludes the astrology portion of the podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Okay, my love, thank you so much again for being
here with us. How can we help the coalition? I
know that you have a walk coming up right like
a How can we be a part of it? What
can we do? How can we be allies to the movement?
Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
So, you know, there's some real things that are happening
against our organization, you know, just to give you an idea,
the Congress, the Oversight Committee had a hearing the Ondoache
(01:12:17):
and we were named by one of the people that
just testified there as a radical organization.
Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
So that this just happened like a couple of weeks ago.
But for the past three months we have been getting
letters of defunding some of our programs and so as
a result, we have to close our Elmonte Center in
our Orange County center.
Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
And what that means is that is going to impact
about twelve people with their employment and also the loss
of some of the services that we provide to our community.
And so to address that situation, that's why we want
to invite everyone to support and whatever way possible. So
(01:13:09):
we are organizing the Walk for Humanity. So the work
for Humanity is organized by the Translational Coalition, but we're
inviting all people from all movements walks of life to
stand in celidarity with one another, but also to support
(01:13:29):
fundraising for our organization to supplement the you know, funding
that we're losing. And so the ideas that we ask
a thousand people to help us raise a thousand dollars siech.
And so the Walk for Hmmunity is kind of like
a like an eights walk or a cancer walk type
(01:13:52):
of thing in which people can sign up and create
a profile, uh, and they can share that with their
friends and they can you know, their friends can donate whatever,
twenty dollars, whatever, they can write and with the idea
that they raise one thousand dollars or people can create
a team, right and so like organizations for instance, you know,
(01:14:16):
like just to say something, the LGBT Center, right, like,
they can create a team. They can you know, people
can donate to whatever they want to donate and then
they'll you know, they'll do the walk with all of us.
So it's gonna be super amazing. But the most Yeah,
we're gonna have a stage, we're gonna have a red carpet,
we're gonna have like it's gonna be a whole thing.
(01:14:37):
It's gonna be a it's gonna be super cute. So
which is wanted to invite people to amaze?
Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Okay, so put all that information? Uh and then where
can people find you? And how can they support.
Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
You me and myself? Oh well, I mean I post bums.
I tell that you can find me, you know, lav
amb on Instagram. I don't use X. We as an
organization don't use X. But yeah, but also you know,
you can follow the trans Coalition, subscribe to our YouTube channel.
(01:15:11):
We have like an amazing content.
Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
There, Okay, amazing and TikTok and Instagram.
Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Tink talk, Instagram and so cool.
Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
Thank you so much for being here with us. It's
such an honor. We actually went longer this time because
it was just so much information to cover and we
love your story so much. To thank you for being
here with us.
Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Thank you and the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Thank you so much. Work can people find you on
so shows?
Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
You can find me at Maya in the Moment, m
A y A in the moment, anywhere you scroll what
about you?
Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
You can find me at the Curly v Show on
Instagram or TikTok, I forgot and YouTube and thank.
Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
You so much for watching and listening to another episode
of The Super Secret.
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Can you love me outside of your ego? Can you
love me outside of the confines of which your ego
wishes to keep me? Really? Start us? Who can make
me laugh? Who has goals? Who will get in my
guts and then let me get in their guts? And
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Getting here? Whoa? Maybe we're gonnauw a rope down to
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They don't call you bamby for nothing. Wow.
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Speaker 3 (01:09):
How are you feeling, Curry? Are you feeling goods? We
have a really special guest only haven't done our house
your spirit this season so far? Okay, one, how's your spirit?
My spirits? Oh well, it's kind of crazy times right now,
which is you know, kind of uh, it's June. When
they're listening to this will probably be yeah, juicy times
in the world, kind of wild. But I'm trying to
(01:31):
find small moments of happiness. I made myself pasta last
night and then I had six bowls a bit so
at this like I don't always how to say, you
like boil it and milk and gonzume and like water,
and then it just like makes it really do it.
(01:52):
It's kind of seasoning, not so much. Yeah gonzume, yes, soapapika? Okay, ready,
but how's your spait? How are you doing?
Speaker 8 (02:01):
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I couldn't sleep last night.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I will.
Speaker 8 (02:04):
I went to Universal Studios the day before and I
feel like and maybe I got a little sun sick,
but I was like my cousin. My cousin and her
daughter were there and they both have unique voices where
they joke like.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
This all type and her daughter's like, I'm gonna go
on the.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Bug right verbado that's how she sounds. I'm like, we
gotta get this kid on a show. All day long.
She's like, I'm slanting the flies. I think we call
him a fly, but you ye, well, today we have
(02:40):
this super special gas. It's somebody that every time I
see them at a party, I what's the word accost him? Like?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Like is that the word accost him? I basically like
run up on her all the time. And I'm like,
all I want is a giant mural of you. I
have this like fantasy of like like true La saints,
like true La figures who have done a lot for
the community, who have pulled people together, and part of
(03:08):
what I really love about saints versus like angels. You know,
people will be like, oh, you're such an angel, Like
I'm like, I don't want to be a fucking angel
with that jog off to rush being angel, right, But
like faiths like angels don't check out itels a JACKA, Yeah,
I don't think they did. Did you just have? I
don't think angels have favorite parts. I feel like thinks though,
like they have this thing where a lot of their
(03:30):
stories kind of started off kind of shady, and then
they find the light to some capacity, right, and then
they dedicate their like to this light outside of God.
And religion, but just binding this goodness. And there they
weren't always like what you might think of as like
a somebody at the you know, a good start, right,
(03:50):
And so I think of the patron saints of La
and Bambi is one of the people that I think of,
and she's here with us today and I always saw her.
I'm waiting for that mirror all. But for those of
you who are joining us today who might not be
familiar with Bambi's work, we wanted to introduce her to y'all.
(04:13):
And here is just a little bio that we did well,
that we wrote with the help of a little angel.
I don't know, yes, And then uh Bombi sa Bombie
is a fierce, unstoppable trans a Latina leader living her
(04:35):
truth under the La sun. Born in Gaa and now
rapping Los Angeles. This fiery Libra Libra has been through
it all, addiction, incarceration, discrimination, and came out on the
other side stronger, louder, and more committed to justice than ever.
As the founder of the Trans Altina Coalition, the largest
(04:57):
trans organization in the country, right, uh Bondby fights every
day for the rest of trans immigrants, turning her own
survival story. It's a fuel for community change. She's proof
that even when life tries to break you, you can
rise and glitter heels and powers well for us.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Thank you, Thank you so much for for the opportunity
to be here community, to be in community withw and
shout out to the bitter fun of watching.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
But my spirit, it's amazing right there.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You know, I try to be.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Grounded and grateful, and.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You know, I try to be you know, just knowing
that everything is going to be okay. Right right there,
we are going to overcome, right because we always do.
Said so, you know, my spirit is good, my help
is good, and I feel like everything else is second there.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Thank you for being here, like it really is such
an honor, and I mean you were just such We
got here a little earlier today and we immediately sat
in like a stairwell and we were thirteen years old
at junior high and we immediately started talking about your life,
which is wild.
Speaker 8 (06:23):
Yeah, I mean, and the windas came to the room,
you guys were talking about a little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I was like, wait, yes, yeah, a little butter be
is so interesting. It's so amazing, Like you're gonna love
this soup, by the way, But like, I want to
start with where we started in the stairwell, which is
you're the first time you ever. So we talk about addiction,
and we talk about you're sober now and drug use.
But you said you started sniffing glue and trying certain
(06:48):
drugs at eight You said eight years old? What are
you doing at eight years old? That You're like, did
you just really what does this smell like? And then
you get a hit or something and you're like that
felt good?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
No, I think just a combination of things, right, I
think I now I'm able to understand, right that I
was a very needy kid, right, like a very little child,
right and an early age, so like I knew that
(07:20):
there was something in me right, like that couldn't identify, right,
which I now understand that it's about being who I am. Right.
But you know, my mother my father left my mother
before I was born, right, and so my mother was
left to waste three kids on her own as a
(07:42):
young person who came to the city from the outskirts, right,
And so she didn't have time to you know, give
me the love and you know, and answer whatever questions
I had or whatever. All right, like and so, and
also you know, like later like later in our lives
(08:05):
when it was well we were little, like you know,
my mother got together with an abusive person too, right,
and so to me, I guess it was like the
escape that I needed to get away from my reality.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Escape is yet Ryan. I've also mentioned that by the
time you were Globe, you had already decided to they
were already like you were incarcerated already, or you were
being put into systems where they were jailing young people.
What were and by the way, just time what we're
going to be talking about a lot of things that
might be sensitive to some people, so like and Bambi.
(08:42):
You know, I checked out Bambi before this, and we
made sure that Bami was comfortable with all of the questions.
So if you're in the comments or whatever, I don't
think that we're being that I'm being rude that we
talked about you and you said we're going Kiki and
so it's child. You can color my Bodeoh we could
talk about right, I'm pretty open my anything. Yeah, But okay,
so then you're twelve years old, like what is happening
(09:04):
that you're like getting in this much trouble that now
you know, law enforcements involved.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well, I mean, you know again at a very early age, right,
like I I learned how to navigate my life, right,
and so you know, I wanted to like help my
mother write I am the second oldest and my fast
(09:30):
turn from my mom, and so I was considered like
the men of the house, right, So I wanted to
help my mother so like get her out of her mystery. Right.
And and so I was you know, I was a
good student, you know, like when elcalific and all of that, right,
(09:51):
But at the same time, I was, you know, I
was in a gang you know, for with children and
all the children, right, did you ever gain name? Yes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
I mean that gang they called me in Nuclear oh
because like I don't know if you remember I back
(10:12):
in the day the Bionic Man or whatever, so and engaged.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
The series was.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Called okay, yeah, okay, and so so yeah, that's my
peers called me because you know I was I was
a badass.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
So bad yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
But you know, but there was like I guess the
sign of a spects and stuff, you know, and so
so you know I was good at school. I was
you know, pretending to be good, but it wasn't right.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
And then.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
On the streets, right, when you're on the streets, you
learn a lot of the street life and you know,
and you also learn how to survive on the streets.
And so because you know, I learned to do carme right,
that's how I, you know, was arrested the first time.
Are twelve years old, after I finished Maria right in
(11:11):
like after sixth grade, and yeah, so I was arrested
for you know, snatching a purse from a person.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Wow, and so and then it went to you know,
gym the hall and say, is that wasn't like your family,
because then you come to the States.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
And you.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Are with your dad that you don't know, and then
your dad sends you with his primo Primas who owned
a restaurant and there's something else and the factory where
Bambi went to working with the US a little bit here.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah, part of my family's the own one also, And
it's like such a special experience to be able to, like,
I don't know, just have that sort of like it
just in like your experience of growing up and learning.
And I feel like it made my family have more
respect for like our culture and everything but that that
(12:24):
you know.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, that was a ticktim fourteen hour issues like girl
for it goes. So you're telling me how like you
were like it's it was three people working at a
datam factory. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, So it was the person who would feed the machine.
So the person that would put the massa in the machine, right,
and so that the machine like cuts the massage and
the like you know, goes through the cooking process and
then it spits out the yas. And so there was
(13:01):
a person there catching the tortillas and putting them on
the tray and then and then like we had like
a rack where we would put the trays and they
will pass the trays to me.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And I was the bagger. So I was sixteen, Wow,
could not do it. I could bread to wear my
ass at sixteen and so old, but I won't like
do a hard job like that. Like yeah, because you
were saying that, you right, put them all into the
bus and then you have to put the little like
metal thing around it or what is it?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, yeah, So basically so like they put so the
machine spits out like stocks of twelve a dozen and
so like once it counts the right and so when
it comes to a dozen and it spits it out.
Then the person gets a dozen and puts it on
the tray and and so yeah, so there's trace of
(14:03):
twelve dozens of tops. And so my job was to
get each dozen, stuck them up in three and then
get a back, put them in twisted, and then like
put the little thing to clothe them, and then put
them in a in a box.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I was like, like that much, I think, are you
sick of then? No? I think I think for a minute,
I did on the snow.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, but like also, you know, like because after that,
you know, after all of that happened. And I only
did that for like two years, and then I came
to Los Angeles, and Los Angeles is when I started
my transition, and you know, and started.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Doing how old are you when you came to Los Angeles?
I was eighteen, So when I turned eighteen over there,
I came to Los Angeles, how did you have that
moment where you suddenly were like, oh, I think that
thing that I mentioned earlier where I felt different is
actually maybe having to do with my identity, and I
(15:11):
think that has to deal with my gender. Like how
did you well, you know, I watched a little while ago.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Right, Like I at the early age, I was able
to like live different types of lives, right, like in
different spaces. And so I had my gang friends, and
then I had you know back in the day you
probably don't even remember. You probably doesn't even know, but
(15:40):
there was a very popular group called Mendle right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Irackie Martin, that's not right, right, right?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
So so I rid into a young group of young
people and then part gay, right, and so.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
They had a fun club of a noodle.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And so I that's how I started hanging out with
also young people around twelve.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
So I dressed up for the first time when I
was about twelve years old, these trope of people.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And and then it goes different, right, Like you can
go to clubs, you know whatever, one you're younger than
you're supposed to write. So I went to a gay
club for the first time. I think it was the
only gay club about twelve at twelve, what I was stock, yes, sir,
so yeah, So that was like my first experience. And
(16:29):
obviously then when I put the dress stock, I was like,
you know, I'm like yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
But I couldn't be me, you know, And.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
It happened until I was at a place where nobody
knew me to where like, you know, I'm away from everybody,
you know what I mean, and like it is time
for me to live in life, so to speak, you know.
And so that's why, you know, I run into trans
(17:02):
woman on the streets and I was like, okay, you
know this is where white people are, and that's how
I started.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Wow. Yeah, there was a moment with me like when
I was so for most of my life, I would
say from the age of I don't know, when I
was a baby, maybe like young kid, I would say,
maybe I was that I like a baby, queer baby,
queer baby gay. Up until I was like eighteen, I
would say I really believed that I actually was female,
(17:33):
but that I had I thought this was going to
fall off. I thought it was like the lizards that
you scare, only you grab a lizard and they get
scared and the tail just falls off. I thought it
as load. Can you just imagine Nobo's actually what happened me.
But that was what I thought for a very long time,
and it had to do a lot with not only
(17:55):
how I felt on the inside, and but also the
way that people perceived me because people used to get
confused with what I was as a young person, like
I didn't have a lot of facial hair, my voice
like has my voice constantly has gotten like change as
I got older. So I didn't hit puberty right until
I was maybe seventeen eighteen, so up until that point,
(18:19):
smooth face, not much body hair, no j col that yes, yes,
And so people would be like, young lady, can I
help you write this way? Or I would be like
at restaurants with my family and they would be like
this and then we're like, oh no, that would be
more by because I know, you know Latino parents would
(18:40):
be like as Nino, you know, and like we don't
have to tell it. It's okay, Like it's fine, I'm okay,
I'm not actually no.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Well, like what would you feel like would you feel
like oh that, like did.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
You kind of like if I did for me? I
didn't like it in front of my straight family, do
you know what I mean? Like? And then sometimes it
would get scary right where I would go to parties
and uh sis young sis heapman would come up and
threaten to feed me up because they would be like like,
who the fuck are you trying to fool and I'm like,
(19:27):
I'm not. I'm just wearing you know, I have a
natural like dip here in my body where I'm like
kind of bussy, I guess, and then I dip so
any shit that I wear it kind of it doesn't
create cleavage, but it creates an hour blast civil way.
And so when I was younger, a lot of people
would be like, you know, who are you trying to fool?
(19:48):
And sometimes I would make out with guys and I
thought they liked me, and it would be a thing
where they would go, hey, fool.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Like that's a fucking dude, Like you're kissing a dude right.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Now, and I would be like, I thought you knew.
I wasn't I'm trying to you know. It was it
was I I so for the longest time, and then
when I always tell people it is I feel like
I had a voice in my head, maybe in my
late teens, in my early twenties, whether it was like
something telling me like, you're just going to be a
guy in this life, like, so just have fun with
(20:18):
it like me. So now I feel look on cosplaying
a little bit of just like so we always joke
that it's like I know, like when I get to
this side, like this spirit is probably a lady spirit,
but it's like I'm like her little boy that she's
dressing up, like she's like, oh, it's me Nina Dodger hat.
You know, I want the dthers but like like you know,
(20:39):
a little sports gear. So I always get curious about
how other people who are coming to terms with how
they want to express their identity. Yeah, I mean I
can you bring like a really interesting points, right, because
I think you know, in different ways, we.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
All children are corrupted by our parents, right, And I
think you know, without even us understanding, right, like unconsciously
or subconsciously, right, like we.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You know, we automatically know like what our role is
supposed to be. Right, But that is because our parents
and their parents and their parents, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Like it's it's just.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
A an intergenerational corruption that has happened to all children, right,
because you know, all children are in a sense, right,
And I think we have to understand the societal constructions
(21:51):
right that we have that unconsciousness has you know, tell
us or allow for us to feel guilty about who
we are truly, right, And I mean an example of that,
right is like you know, blues for boys, thanks for girls,
(22:13):
or you know the.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Critos are for the boys when you you know what
I mean, like.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Dolls are right, yeah, so so those are social constructions,
right that you know, for how many of us when
we're children, like you know it it creates confusion, right,
But also like our parents play a in such an
(22:42):
important role in our developments, right that you know, when
we are trying just to simply be ourselves when we're children,
innocent children, right, they punish us from you know what
I mean? Correct it exactly? Like you know what I mean,
like if a little kid who you know made me
(23:04):
consider a boy, right, you know, grass up doll for instance, right,
like especially like in cultures of color, right, yeah, I
know for the fact and the Latino community, like religion
is a huge thing. There are he said there are, right,
And so so anyways, I'm saying all that to really
(23:25):
say that it's important for us to be conschigious about
how we are racing up churdren.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, that's very important. I'm glad that you said that
because I.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Feel like we're all like generational cycle breakers and my
parents are.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Cycle breakers too, and same thing.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
With my brother and me.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
And I have two little nephews, and the oldest nephew
is you know, his his dad, my brother, his stepdad
you know, is like like he's into sports and doing sports.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
And all that stuff.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
But when he comes to my parents' house, you know,
where like my parents love to make music and art
and it's a very freeing household.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
So he really likes.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
To dance, and he likes to sing, and he like
also likes to maybe like where he was like interested
in my nails and he's like, can I put on
some nails for like absolutely?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
What else do you want to do? Little makeup?
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Like what do you want a little like we can
do a little.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Pop star moment.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
And I recently had to cut off a part of
my family because I could feel that they were going
to ruin that, you know. And there I have another
little nephew, and we like we want we're protecting them
right now to be.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Able to do whatever they want to do.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Without any judgment, without any barriers or like bumpers or correction.
And like if he wants to play sports, cool, but
then you know, as much as he has that interest,
he also has an interest in dancing needs really good
at it and that self expression. We all have had
a moment in our lives where we wanted to do
something and we were so excited about it, and remember
(25:11):
an adult or a you know, older figure shutting it
down and feeling like dang, I wonder.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
What if what would have happened if I had a
supportive parent at that time?
Speaker 6 (25:23):
Don't nurture that talent and that.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
You know, just that interest days self expression.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And the being of the person right, just be just
it's at using like no fritures, no, no nothing, And
I think you know, and we have to rustle again,
right like when I talk about intergenerational right, like those
individuals have you know been thought that right? And then
again the parents you know, and our right and so
(25:57):
so it's something that we learned, right, something that we're that.
But I think one of the things that I believe
is super important also is for for parents to truly
understand the meaning of unconditional lave.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, right, because when it.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Comes to us, right, you know knows this and right
like oh you can make whoever you want, but don't
bring anybody not like dot, don't get dressed up you right,
you know what I mean, and so those are conditions, right,
Like I love you if you don't do this right,
(26:38):
and so so we need to like really understand what
is the true meaning of our conditional love so that
we can love our children unconditionally regardless.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Can you love Can you love me outside of your ego?
Can you love me, I like, outside of the confines
of which your ego wishes to keep me?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Right?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Yeah, And like, did you have a kid that to
be an extension of you so you can control that image?
Or did you have a child so that she or
she or they can like exist in society however they
want to, Like I feel like that's a lot of
older parents are, like they want to control so hard,
(27:18):
and it's like, did you just you want me to
just be a mini you? Like yeah, you know, which
is fine, like to have a sort of like a
vision for your child, but like if it's servicing your
egos so much, it feels very wrong.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
So what it would think is the main responsibility of
a parent, right, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, sure that we stay alive, right, stay healthy, stay calm.
They like, be a good person and be the best
person that you can be, feel safe about doing it.
Know that you're supported, know that you're grounded. I think
that for me, if I were to be a parent,
my job would be like how can I amplify and
how can I celebrate who you are? Right? Because one
of the things that I always say is that I
(28:07):
mean persons he saying, oh I accept you. I hate that.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Yeah, I was going to bring that up because saying that.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Don't accept me, except accepting is what you do when
you order something on THEMU or tumu and you're like
someone I ordered, but whatever, fuck it out, accept it.
It still works. It's still scratchy. Celebrating is like, this
is exactly what I wanted. You are exactly the baby
that I wanted. You know, like maybe I didn't know
that you were going to be queer, and maybe I
didn't know that you were going to be gender queer,
(28:35):
but you are certainly the spirit with the beautiful heart
that I wanted, And here you are. How can I
protect you? That's what I think.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Yeah, I think it's about nurturing and nourishing those parts,
those aspects that like, there are going to be parts
of your kid that you're not going to understand. But
that's like, that's the reason why they're the new generation,
Like you're supposed to feel a little bit more open
to allow them to teach you, but also you know,
teaching them morals and the you know do's and don'ts
(29:05):
and rights and wrongs of like society and like all
that stuff, of course. But like I think it's like
you said, like that celebrating Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I mean, I mean, I think you know, obviously we
all have opinions, yeah, and we have we all have
different ways of thinking, right, But in my opinion, a
role of a parent should be to love, to protect,
to guide, to encourage, to you know, to explore, right,
(29:39):
like to explore life together, right and obviously create an
opportunity for a human being who is also in the
path of discovery.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And so how do we value rightly the existence of
a human being?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
And it's fullness, yeah, absolutely, And and and provide the
support and the guidance and everything that a little person needs. Right.
But mostly it's just like, Okay, I'm here too for you, Yeah,
and whatever you way you think I can show up
for you.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
I do think the word protect, right, It is very
interesting because especially in Latino culture, right, and specifically I'm
thinking of my mom the way that she was with
me when I came out. Yeah, she would cry so
much for me, Yes, but she would cry. She would
be like, and they would make me practice how to
(30:42):
walk manly or outside as a young kid, back and back,
because I would I would walk my hands like this,
and I would have a little ring and I mess
with it like this. I would be like this all
the time like that. Yes, I still do. I still
do still Like what do you call me, my little lady?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Because also we feel like a past life, like I
was a man and you were a girl, and we
were married, were married.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
In this lifetime.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
We're like, we need some space to explore, like we
can still be tied together, but we need to Also.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
We had a psychic tell us that we were.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Like confirmed confirmed, Yes, past lives I can told us.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah. She also was like, you had a lot of
lives as a woman, and she's like you maybe had
one of their life as a man. And that was so.
I thought it was really interesting. I did. Before we
move on, I do want to get into your incarceration.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
For the story, but before I think, I think it's
something important. I guess that you mentioned that happens to
like the maority of us. I'm not going to say
to all of us, right, that happens with our parents, right,
are the majority of our parents think that is their
fault that we are who we are, and they get
(31:55):
to think like what did I do wrong? You know?
And and they obviously you know, like the example that
you gave, right, like, oh, you know, I'm trying to
protect you, right because I did something wrong and that's
not necessarily true, right, Like I think we're destined to
(32:16):
be who we are, right. I think it's I believe
in spirituality, right, and it's our spirits right, Like you
just give an example of like who you were perhaps
in another life, right, but this is a cardinal you know,
presence right now, right, And so like I know for
(32:37):
a fact that my spirit is of a like a
worry spirit, right, Like somebody told me once that me
spirito is of an indigenous word.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Oh, I know that by feeling your energy, I can
also confirn that to you, Like I know that well.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
And I believe it because like, okay, that makes sense,
you know, like.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
Yes, yeah, yeah, But anyways, I just wanted to like absolutely,
I mean, and you know, when Bambi has been on
stage and Bambi says things like we're not going to
give up, and I see other people in the room
also being like the hefa, we're going to follow Bambi's lead.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You are you are that, you are like you know,
at the front of the war lines, you know, running
up and down and being on your horse, going up
and down and being like, we're going to go in there.
This is the plan. You know, You're like the Joan
of arc but much cooler. Giants in your hair. Wait
(33:43):
do you wait? Okay, wait, sorry, I don't There's just
so much to cover. But okay, So we talked about
earlier how you were. I also just want to go
how we got from you being somebody who was incarcerated,
you found love and then you get out and you
become the head of just the largest trans organization in
the country. Right, So, how does somebody go from being incarcerated?
How long were you encarcerated for? So?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I so here in Los Angeles? So I again? I
I was incarcerated essentially from age twelve until like my thirties. Wow,
so I don't know, so twenty years.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Sat in return? Like right, when everything is supposed to
change for you.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
You just yeah, I so here in Los Angeles or
actually in the state of California. I was about fifteen
years in and out of jail, prison, immigration, detention and
all of that.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Wow, I mean you told me so far. We covered
that you learned English in solitary confinement because you had nothing.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I learned to read.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I learned to read in English. Sorry. Yeah, And then
you told me that you had a burrito business as well.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well, I did a lot of things a person. Yeah,
I didn Yes.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Can you tell me what you said ups there where
you were like I wasn't willing to, but I was
willing to.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Well, okay, so you know, so it's it's no of course.
So I think for trans women, right, like when you're
in person, like, there's so many different things that happen, right,
I remember when I was in prison. You know, imagine
yourself being on in prison with three thousand men and
(35:28):
probably let's say openly, let's say thirty gay boys and
about ten trans women, right, so ten transform for three
thousand men. Right, So there's a lot of like harassment
that happens, you know, and obviously you know there's sex
(35:52):
work that happens inside, you know, And I was never
a good hoe, you know, like I mean I could
be a whole.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Who we want to be a whole right exactly.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Right, So yeah, you know, like but in Prinson, like
even on the streets, right like, and that was part
of you know, the things that I did that obviously
led for me to end up in prison and incarcerated
and criminalized, right like for being who I am. Right,
but you know, the only option back then was like
(36:26):
to do sex work for us, right like. There was
no services, no support or nothing, right, And so I
tried it for you know, and I did it for
a long time, but I was I didn't ever like it,
and I was not good at it. So but what
I was good at it was like, you know, put
myself on a corner, get a car, and then you know,
(36:50):
just get the guy out and steal everything from something.
That's what I used to do. And so instead of
like wearing on a corner for like all night waiting
to make a couple of hundred bucks, I would just
make the money for like a week or two.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Because you just take everything in the car. You would
just take everything in.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
The car, well everything from the guy in the car
and it's everything that's.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Amazing, everything, everything, like everything, How can I do that?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
If I had, I would leave that person naked on
the street, you know what I mean. So like they
probably deserved it, probably, But there were also horrible things
that happened to me when I was on the streets, right,
and so in prison, so like I was never a
good ho, right, and so in person I learned to
(37:45):
you know, to survive in there also, so I learned
different things, you know, and making burritos it was one
of those things. You know, like in person, there's like
an economy, right, that is you exchange things, right, and
so you know there's people that work in the kitchen
(38:06):
for instance, right, like they they would get you know,
tomatoes out and say oh yeah, and things like that,
and so you know there are crack pots and that
you could use and and so yeah, so that's how
(38:35):
you know, you know, cheese and meat and all of that,
like you make burritos. And then I used to sell britos.
And I used to also wash clothes for people. And
I used to yeah, for people who have money, right,
like yeah, like yeah, I wash your clothes. I earned
your clothes and stuff and you know I used to
draw and do grating cards, you know, and yeah, I
(38:59):
used to do and things like that.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
So you're incarcerated, you're selling burritos, you're washing clothes. I
would love to later on, when you're not super busy
like saving all of us from madness, I would love
to commission a fucking like car greeting cards, like old
school Bambie drawing frame that ship so fast. But okay,
so then you're in prison. I know on this podcast
(39:23):
we talk about love, but you're there, and oh so
you we talk about love all the time, and you
find love. You found love and a hopeless place in
cell block eight. I don't know like what the cell
blocks are numbered or anything.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Well, yeah, so so back then, right, I was put
in a unit to well if back then, you know,
when you're transferred to p and they put you in
(40:02):
isolation for like fourteen days, you know, just to make
sure that you don't have TV and stuff like that,
and then they released you to the general population.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
And so.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
When I was in this wing, in this unit, then
when I was released, they put me on this other unit.
And I remember, you know, I was going up right,
because there's no elevators, you know stuff. So so yeah,
so I entered this unit and I was with my
(40:34):
little blanket and stuff, and then I started going the
stairs and then I saw this like beautiful man coming down,
and I, you know, we just look at each other
like really quick, and I was like, oh, you know, like,
oh cute, please right, clear place to be at. And
(40:55):
so I just went to myself. And it happened that
because we were in single units, single cell units, and
so my cell was three or two and he was
in three or four, so he was three cells down,
two cells. So it was my cell, another cell in
(41:15):
the middle, and then another cell and and so it
was just like, you know, we would see each other
all the time. But he was I don't know at
the beginning. I think he was kind of like transphobe,
you know, because you know, like when you're in prison
and when you're a man, like you're supposed to portray
(41:36):
like this image, right and so you know, so he
was a white boy, and so like in prison, you know,
you're not supposed to mix with other races, right like,
and so that may be one of the things, the
fact that I was also a transperson, right, So like
there was this thing. But what happened, and it was
(41:57):
that in the time there was a lockdown, there was somebody,
you know, somebody was stabbed and whatever. So they lacked
all the Latino people and the whole person. And so
I was in my cell and so he would come
out and I would just be in my cell in
(42:17):
the little window, just looking out. And then I asked him,
you know, hey, can I get some tobacco? So he
was just standing outside of my cell and he's like, yeah,
I'll get you some tobacco, you know. And then from
there we kind of like and so yeah, and from
(42:45):
there it was like, uh, you know, he would come
and check on me. It was like how you doing,
and I'm like okay, God. But also happened that one
of my friends, Sandra, who was also my bisona. She
her boyfriend or husband, uh, was a friend of Bob.
(43:09):
And so I was inside inside, inside, inside, yeah, inside,
And so I was like, girl, tell So the guy's
name was Tubs. I used to call him Tubs and
tell Tubs to you know, tell what what's up?
Speaker 5 (43:30):
I want to be with him.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
So so anyway, so then we because I was locked
up at that time, like the whole Mexican Latino community.
And at that time, we're all locked up for like
two months because they actually like kill people, like somebody
at that time. Uh. And so after we started talking,
(43:53):
we started He's like me Rey and Wheeler. That's what
they used to call it. Wes like a note. It's
like y me a Wheeler. And I was like okay,
So we started writing each other like this long ass,
you know, and and that sort of like combination of
(44:16):
things was that it became his birthday. And by then
I was we were out of lockdown, so it became
his birthday. And I remember that I made this you know,
lingarete type with a you know boxers right that you
get there, and so like I made like a two
(44:36):
piece and and I was knocking to his cell because
you know, they they lacked the cells, right, So like
I s knock into his cell. And then when he
was inside, like I was.
Speaker 11 (44:46):
Like you know that I had my hair like, you know, growing,
and I was like peper yeah wow.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
And so yeah, so that was the first time that
we made left Wow. Nothing like a bit of show.
I wanted to conquer him.
Speaker 11 (45:17):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
So how long did that last for that relationship?
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Uh? So we were we were I was in there
for I think he had about a year left, and
so did I like I and so it just so
happened that we were getting out, like a few days apart,
and we had plans for us to link up on
the outside, and we did. And yeah, it was so
(45:42):
interesting because he took me to his mom.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, and it's you know, his mom was like she
didn't know for like a minute. How her his mom
found out that I was trance was when my pro
officer went to do a check up and asked for
my name and the union number. And then the mom
(46:07):
was like, what yeah, because we were not supposed to
you know, two parolis were not supposed to live together,
and so the address his address. Yeah, so the other
the other that he had was his mom and then
(46:29):
we had another apartment, but so that was my address,
and so they went to look for him, and then
you know, since I don't know, something happened that we
had the same parole officer and asked for me because
I wasn't there, and she was like, that's so that's
how she found out.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
And then you did say that Bob years later did
pass away, and was that like a were you guys
still together till the day that he passed.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
And uh, well, what happened was that, you know, we
we love each other so much, you know, and you
know I would do anything for him, right, And so
what happened in our promises to each other, right, that
we got busted together for a crime that we did,
(47:24):
and so they sent us to prison, right. And in
that process, because they give us like a packet deal,
you know, because he was a three striker whatever anyway,
so they give us a packet deal. I got three
years and he got seven years, so give us a
packet of ten years. So in that process we got separated.
(47:49):
I got out, and I was supposed to, you know,
do crime and come back you know with money and stuff, right,
but some thing happened, right, Like, I didn't do that
because I reformed my life, and so we were in
contact together and stuff like that. And when he got out,
(48:14):
you know, like I was already you know, I was
not doing what I used to do. And so when
he got out, he wanted he wanted to continue to
do the same that you know, what we're doing before.
And so I didn't want that life anymore. And so
I was already involved in community and doing other stuff
and and so that kind of like, you know, I
(48:38):
guess shaped a relationship, but what we're connected. And then
he started getting sick because you know, because we used
to I mean, I was a super drug addict, so
we used to share needles and stuff like that. And
so he he had hepsie and then he developed say
(49:00):
psoriasis and delivery. But you know, and so eventually he
passed away. But we're still see each other. We were
living together when we first came out, but I couldn't,
you know, I told him that, hey, you have to go,
like after two years.
Speaker 9 (49:16):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
And then you know, our rest in peace, sending him love, sending.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Him we love you. Yes.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yes, So there is a segment now that I touched
base with you about beforehand because I thought, you know,
a lot of people are kind of afraid of talking
about trans issues, right, like they don't really know. Sometimes
it's the language. Sometimes it's like what is the information
that exists? I think that sometimes people also don't understand
(49:47):
that a lot of times the things, the issues that
they're bringing up were actually rooted in cis hetero men
and not women are trans women, right or not? Women
in general. So in this segment uh where I'm calling
uh mean mean girl questions? What is it? Wait?
Speaker 5 (50:05):
What we said mean girl questions for nice girls?
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Mean girl questions for nice girl?
Speaker 5 (50:12):
Question number one?
Speaker 3 (50:13):
What?
Speaker 5 (50:14):
And also I want to mention too, like I saw
this video with ts Madison and Nini Leaks where she
Ts was educating Nini on a lot of like just
trans related identity issues and stuff, and I was just
shocked and in the way like people just are still
(50:37):
uninformed about the identity and just the misconceptions. So and
this is what they asked you on the on that episode,
you said, the first question, what makes a woman slash?
Should trans women use bathrooms assigned for women?
Speaker 2 (50:56):
I mean, the short answer is yes, But I do
want to say that. But I think we have a
real issue in terms of, you know, how people are
not even even able to defend who we are as people.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
I'll give you an example, like you know rain now politically, right,
we are the main target in the center of everything
that is happening. Right, It's like we you know, as
soon as the administration came out like all of these
executive orders, you know, criminalizing our existence and the nine opportunities. Uh.
(51:38):
And also you know, like politicians blame us that they
lost the election, right and so, and that's why we're
seeing that, you know, politicians are flip flapping, you know.
And one of the main reasons is because they don't
know how to talk about us, right, And that's just
(51:59):
people in right. They the right has fictionated so much
on things like little things in my opinion, right, like
the bathroom issue for instance, right, right, But those are
like narratives that they have created to criminalize us, to
(52:23):
criminalize our existence, right. And so you know, going back
to social constructions, right, you know, the fact that we
have male and female bathrooms is a social construction. How
many of us have designated badrooms in our houses?
Speaker 9 (52:45):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (52:46):
I know, everybody goes to the same bathroom, right, we
all go to the so you know, so again this
is a social construction, right. And so the right has
been able to develop a narrative about us and painting
a picture of us being masters, this narrative of you know,
(53:06):
trans women going to bedrooms too, you know, to sexualize
other women for instance, or to rape other women. There
has not been a case that has come up that
that has actually happened, but that's the narrative that they created.
(53:26):
On the other hand, politicians have been caught in badroom
extreme conservative Christian politicians pastors right, right, and so they
want to blame us, you know, for their internalized shit, right,
And so I think we have to really understanding, like
(53:50):
you know, the narrative that they have created, right, like
the inability for trans people to participate, you know, for
young trans people to participate in sports, for instance, right,
Like people do not know how to defend us, right, Like,
there's actual research, there's actual you know, the Olympic Committee
(54:12):
has declared that it's okay for trans people to participate, right,
But the narrative that in the lies that have been
created about us of participating in simple things, it's ultimately
to deny the ability for us to have opportunities within
our society and to ultimately erase our accestence as people.
Speaker 5 (54:36):
It's just like the obsession that they have, like mind
your business, Like it's a clear deflection and projection that
like it's and it's so harmful and it's not rooted
in fact whatsoever. Just like you said, like these politicians
have you guys have your own issues, like did you
(54:57):
just get caught the other day, like you're worrying about
minor business.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Well, those are strategies that they use to for people
to not focus on the real things. I'm gonna give
you an example, right, Like, there's something right now that
is happening that it's it's going to change the course
of the lives of many people who are under privilege. Right,
And we're talking about the federal budget right, like this
(55:26):
bullshit bill, right, and that is why it's happening. What
is happening in Los Angeles for instance, right, Like they
want for people to focus on that and not what
is happening, right, because what they're doing is that they're
going to cut life saving services to people, right, people
(55:50):
who depend on things.
Speaker 3 (55:54):
What are some of those services, Like we're talking about
like well.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Essential services like medicaid, medicaire, you know, like medicare, medicaid food,
you know what I mean. Like they've cut you know,
international aid for you know, poor countries, right, like like
poor children, like so like all of those things, right,
Like they're slashing all of those things and you know,
(56:24):
giving tax breaks to billionaires or you know, giving money
to gun companies who can purchase silencers for their guns,
for instance. You know, so like they're giving people other
benefits that the majority of us don't even understand how
(56:46):
budgets work, how things work. Like luckily I have been
able to learn about a lot of that stuff, but
those are real things that impact people's lives. For years.
Speaker 5 (57:02):
M h.
Speaker 3 (57:04):
M h.
Speaker 5 (57:10):
M hm hm.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
I was selling Bambi how it's wild, how like she
learned how to read, uh, and now she understands all
these wild things in solitary and confinement. And I can
barely read one email. I'm like, too long, didn't read
like I don't know what. I'm like, You're out here
changing lives and I'm like, I don't know those emails
is looking a little too long.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Well, but I also went to school, you know what
I mean? Like I do have a master's degree.
Speaker 3 (57:35):
I don't have because I had my ibs was acting
up and I was like, do I add this one
last class or do I go take a ship? And
I chose my bout movements. To be honest, I chose
my body. Okay. So the other question, one other question
is are our trans writes impeding on CIS women rights?
(58:00):
And one of the notes that I wrote here was like, again,
that doesn't sound like a trans woman issue. That sounds
like you're worried about in their mind, sis hetman, you know,
because I'm like, trans women are not going to do
what you think a straight man is.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
Going to do.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
So like, what would you say to somebody who's like
you will you're impediing like Harry Potter, Oh, we don't know,
we won't, but like something like that, like what would
you say to something like.
Speaker 5 (58:37):
Me?
Speaker 2 (58:37):
Now there's again in our society, right, Like I think
you know, if you have clouds, right, clouds, you can
influence the way people think right, for the good or bad, right,
And so you know, I mean, let's let's just put
(58:57):
you know this other person who you know what it's
called X now, right, you know he can influence elections
for instance, right, any common any conversation that you know,
(59:18):
any of these people who have influenced right can change
the way people think right. And I think it's important
for us to also understand how institutional violence translates into
interpersonal violence. And I'm an example of that is we
(59:40):
have legislators and the federal government for eighty plus years
old who have decided or decide on women's bodies. What
are the rights of women's bodies for instance, right, taking
(01:00:03):
away the rights of reproductive rights you know of women
for instance, Right. Meanwhile, they're giving millions of dollars to
pharmaceutical companies to develop viagra and all of those things, right,
And so those are the people who are making decisions
(01:00:25):
about our lives, right, But they don't know nothing about
the people who they're making lass about, right, and so
that is violence that they're perpetrating.
Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
And when it comes to you know, the feminists, Women's
movement or howe or right, like, I think it's important
that we understand the trans people have been part of
many movements historically, right, and we are at the intersection
(01:01:00):
of all of that, right. And so I think, you know,
there's a lot of hypocrisy that exists right in all
social justice movements because you know, I've in the woman's marches,
(01:01:21):
for instance, where I've seen transphobic signs, right that woman,
you know, the real woman have vaginas, right, well, trans
women could also have a constructed vagina, right like you know,
(01:01:42):
or other women for instance, think like if you're not
able to bear a child, you're not a woman. Referring
to trans women, right, but there are many women who
unfortunately cannot bear a child, and that they're not a
list of a woman.
Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Yeah, it doesn't take away from their identity.
Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Exactly, you know what I mean. So like there's there's
narratives that are created, right, they influence the way people think.
And again that's how violence is portrayed against us, you know.
But what I do want to say is that for
all people who believe and social justice, then you know,
(01:02:26):
we need to stop the hypocrisy because social justice should
be for all. Right, we need to learn.
Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
To mean what we say and say what we mean absolutely.
And now for our segment, takes tix, takes sticks. So
basically you're gonna shake. Oh god, I'm obsessed with you.
Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
So in this jar can, whatever I draw is what
it's going to be.
Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
So it's yeah, so whatever you get whatever like hot
take or whatever opinion you have about whatever it.
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Says, Yeah, we'll do hot quick like whatever whatever you
pick out.
Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
One d say they what are we?
Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
You know, when you're in a relation or you're in
a right before you get into an official relationship, you
have that conversation what are we? Like are we boyfriend
and girlfriend, you know, like, like, how do you feel
about those conversations? Who should bring them up?
Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
When's the right time do it? Well?
Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
I mean I do have to say that at this
very moment in my life, and actually, like Bob, what's
my last Yeah, relationship, permanent relationship, I mean, and I
do have a lot of sex, don't get me wrong, right,
we're still yeah, but I feel I feel like I'm
(01:04:12):
not I don't have the time to invest in a
relationship like that, right because I believe that if you're
gonna be with someone, you need to invest your time,
your might, you're you know, everything that is right and
(01:04:33):
right now, I'm married to the movement that's right, you know.
And so when my time comes, I'm sure there's someone
out there who wants, you know, have some share values
and you know, want to chill and kick it, and
then I'll ask him, So what are okay?
Speaker 5 (01:04:52):
You would be asking like three or like.
Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Two? I don't Yeah, I don't know, maybe like I
don't know, maybe a couple of days or something.
Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Yeah, I feel like if I have to ask you
what are we, we're probably not meant to. If I
have to add, if.
Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
I'm not sure, I don't like that conversation, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Because we're not like hanging out right, you know, like
it should happen naturally, like we're hanging out a lot,
We're fucking a lot, you know. I can't like, what
are you doing tom What are you doing tomorrow? I
don't know who? Like it just kind of happens. And
then if it's a little lighter, like yo, like what
is this, then I'm cool with that. But if it's
like ugly, like I just need some clarity, like if
(01:05:34):
I need some clarity boo, Like at this age, I'm married.
I'm married to my own. I don't have an amazing
movement like you, but like I'm married to my you
know what I mean. Like I'm like, yes, I too,
am married to the the Yes, well.
Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
I'm also you know, I'm going to say you like
I'm married to myself right now.
Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Yeah, me too. But I still want to fox so.
Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Yes, I do that, you know. But also like I'm
in the process of like just learning to love me, right.
I don't need anyone else to love me and accept
me and value me at this moment, right, Like I
want companionship at some points, you know, But but I
(01:06:20):
don't need Like I love being by myself. I love
being naked in my eyes.
Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
I know, it's so nice. Like what's gonna happen when
I do get in a relationship like that? I live
alone too, Like I don't I don't want to change.
Like you, I find wing of the house. Yeah, own room,
you're separate, and then we can meet in the middle.
That's what my parents they live in the same house
where they have separate rooms and they sleep in separate rooms.
(01:06:44):
But they're still married thirty five years. And that's like
the secret.
Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
To There's different ways, you know, like like have a
you know what I mean, Like relationship, like whatever it is,
you know what I mean, Like I'm open to it,
Like okay, we can, you know, but it has to
be the right person for me, you know, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Who can make me laugh, who has goals? Who will
get in my guts and then let me get in
their guts and.
Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
That's it, Lloyd Well, and also who's going to be
there for you?
Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's where it's like, your next partner
is going to be the one to help you through
when your parents pass away. So choose wisely.
Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Your partner, your next partner is going to be the
one who helps you through when your parents.
Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
Yeah, like when you the person that you pick, so
you have to pick someone who can guide you through
those different things and like at.
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Least laugh at my jokes, pitch my butt, you know,
like someone that you can fark with and you'll both laugh.
Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
I don't know, I can kind of my ports don't know,
so I can whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Con your station for another day.
Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
Welcome to the zodiac section of the podcast. So you
are a Libra right your birthday? Your birthday's October twelve? Yeah, okay,
so October Libra.
Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Like your your sun, your moon sign, and your rising Okay,
I'm bothering you about that later because that might also
be why you're like a warrior warrior princess there.
Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
How do you feel as a Libra, like in just
you know, seeing other signs around you and like how
you're compatible with other signs? Like how do you feel
do you feel like like what they say a libra
is or do you have your own definition?
Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
I think now I can. I can feel like I
Libra kind of fits me right because I think now,
especially with all the responsibilities have with they're gonna saytion,
and you know, it's just my life in general, like
I need to and then like just politically in society,
(01:09:08):
you know, just in society, like I feel like I
need to have some type of balance, you know, and
so so I feel, you know, I feel like it
does fit me, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
I yeah, I would.
Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
Say so, because you know, Libra is represented by like
the scales, right, which is also like justice and it's
patience and it's also fairness. So I feel like in
the position that you're in and what you do in
your day to day life, I think that totally fits
because you're you have to kind of see from all
angles and all sides and then be the person to
(01:09:44):
like kind of translate that out to the world and
stand up for people. And libras are also really pretty.
Libs are like the magnetic like super gorgeous a theory
your ones of the zodiac. So yeah, I think that's it.
Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
I also heard somewhere because I just did a video
libras and I a lot of comments say that a
lot of people say that libras lie a lot. Is
that true? Do you think we a lot?
Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
You know, I don't know about other people, but I
can tell you that at least. One of the things
that I think it's is like people know me for
is that I'm really honest.
Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
That's a healed libra a lot, like I don't know
they do, they do low frequency.
Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
I was sharing earlier, right, like early in my life,
I was able to navigate different lies, right, so like
I was lying a lot then, But then you said, like,
I'm a heal libra and I've done a lot of
like healing work, you know, like I and so that's
why I'm like, I feel like I'm at a better place.
Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
So people have a libre at home that doesn't have
the work, maybe believe them. One out of.
Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
Three times you need to investigate to get the actual answer.
Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Do some investigations.
Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
I've lived with two libras, so I love them. No, no, no,
I love them.
Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
But you know that's what I heard.
Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
I like the ones that can be like this is
what I think. And I'm like, okay, maybe that's just
me as an aries, but like but.
Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Also like maybe maybe we you know, like I think
we all lie for survival too, so like yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Yeah, I may not be unique for libras, but you know,
you know, we all live for some things good and.
Speaker 5 (01:11:38):
That concludes the astrology portion of the podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Okay, my love, thank you so much again for being
here with us. How can we help the coalition? I
know that you have a walk coming up right like
a How can we be a part of it? What
can we do? How can we be allies to the movement?
Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
So, you know, there's some real things that are happening
against our organization, you know, just to give you an idea,
the Congress, the Oversight Committee had a hearing the Ondoache
(01:12:17):
and we were named by one of the people that
just testified there as a radical organization.
Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
So that this just happened like a couple of weeks ago.
But for the past three months we have been getting
letters of defunding some of our programs and so as
a result, we have to close our Elmonte Center in
our Orange County center.
Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
And what that means is that is going to impact
about twelve people with their employment and also the loss
of some of the services that we provide to our community.
And so to address that situation, that's why we want
to invite everyone to support and whatever way possible. So
(01:13:09):
we are organizing the Walk for Humanity. So the work
for Humanity is organized by the Translational Coalition, but we're
inviting all people from all movements walks of life to
stand in celidarity with one another, but also to support
(01:13:29):
fundraising for our organization to supplement the you know, funding
that we're losing. And so the ideas that we ask
a thousand people to help us raise a thousand dollars siech.
And so the Walk for Hmmunity is kind of like
a like an eights walk or a cancer walk type
(01:13:52):
of thing in which people can sign up and create
a profile, uh, and they can share that with their
friends and they can you know, their friends can donate whatever,
twenty dollars, whatever, they can write and with the idea
that they raise one thousand dollars or people can create
a team, right and so like organizations for instance, you know,
(01:14:16):
like just to say something, the LGBT Center, right, like,
they can create a team. They can you know, people
can donate to whatever they want to donate and then
they'll you know, they'll do the walk with all of us.
So it's gonna be super amazing. But the most Yeah,
we're gonna have a stage, we're gonna have a red carpet,
we're gonna have like it's gonna be a whole thing.
(01:14:37):
It's gonna be a it's gonna be super cute. So
which is wanted to invite people to amaze?
Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Okay, so put all that information? Uh and then where
can people find you? And how can they support.
Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
You me and myself? Oh well, I mean I post bums.
I tell that you can find me, you know, lav
amb on Instagram. I don't use X. We as an
organization don't use X. But yeah, but also you know,
you can follow the trans Coalition, subscribe to our YouTube channel.
(01:15:11):
We have like an amazing content.
Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
There, Okay, amazing and TikTok and Instagram.
Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Tink talk, Instagram and so cool.
Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
Thank you so much for being here with us. It's
such an honor. We actually went longer this time because
it was just so much information to cover and we
love your story so much. To thank you for being
here with us.
Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Thank you and the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Thank you so much. Work can people find you on
so shows?
Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
You can find me at Maya in the Moment, m
A y A in the moment, anywhere you scroll what
about you?
Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
You can find me at the Curly v Show on
Instagram or TikTok, I forgot and YouTube and thank.
Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
You so much for watching and listening to another episode
of The Super Secret.
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