July 13, 2022 • 33 mins
On this episode the Besties take on aging and getting old. And they bring on special guest Joyce Louis-Jean to discuss it! What are you waiting for? Get In Here!!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, what are you doing here? Me? What are you
doing here? Joyce? Choice is like you a bad lady.
You both look so old. You look old. My booty
is so fat though, we'll either we get the big
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booty in here getting. My name is Curly and I'm
Maya And Welcome to the Super Secret Best Club podcast,
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Joyce Luis jan Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Manor are actually super obsessed with you in real life,
like truly obsessed with you. So we're like, oh, I
not have a front of the episode. I feel the
same way. You guys are literally eternal beings of like
that we all get to witness. So I had something
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in my throat, possibly a sign of getting old. So
today we're going to talk about basically aging like I
wanted to talk about this because I feel like today,
with the way that things are going, I feel like
I'm getting older a little bit faster than I feel
like other people, um, you know, are getting are feeling older.
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Like for example, I remember like for the first time
I ever felt old, it was when I first it
at BuzzFeed. I was twenty six years old and I
started singing a Spice Girl song and this two year
old looked over at me and said, oh, is that
the same band that sings No Scrubs? And I remember
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thinking to myself, Wow, this person does not know the
Spice Girls like we already are are, so we're a
world apart, and they're confusing them with another iconic group
called TLC because very different, very different girl bands, um different.
What about y'all have y'all have ever had those moments
like when did you have the moment of being like, oh,
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I'm getting old? I remember it was when I was
a production coordinator and I did a shoot and we
had to do with a bunch of girl scouts and
one of the girl scout girls said to my face
that Edge is a better performer than Beyonce. When I
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read you, when I tell you, I had to have
my coworker. Just that's a child. I'm gonna say, what
is wrong? Boper over the head like a little cat
her I was. I was just like, look, I was
about to tell the girl about herself. But it's a
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totally different generation. You know. Isn't his name ed sheering?
Ed Sharon? Should Sharon Sharon? It sounds better. He should
change his name. I would like him more if his
name was at Sharon. It's just in cheering. What about you, man?
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I definitely recently have felt older. I just turned twenty
nine and in the last year of my twenties. I'll
be thirty next year, and I'm honestly very excited to
be thirty because I really feel like I'm coming in
to myself more. I feel like I'm being more like
decisive and like I'm not letting people like bully me
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or treat me any type of way, and I'm sticking
up for myself more um in a way that feels
empowering and less like this is my way or the highway. Um.
And recently I felt a little bit older because of TikTok.
I think, you know, I grew up on the Vine
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days and Vine was like my TikTok Like I was
in my early twenties when Vine came out, and so
I was the UM. I mean, there were younger people
on it too, but like I feel like I was
like kind of the niche demographic for it. UM and
Tiktoker's their niche demographic is like teenagers to like early twenties.
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I just don't get like what they do. I just
don't get the culture. I mean, I get it, but
it makes me feel older because I'm so not that
and in terms of making content, like it's just so
difficult to try to get behind. So I feel like
I'm jumping in between being trewed myself. But then sometimes
I'm like, am I being a millennial? Being a millennial
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right now? Do you have UM like insecurities or fear
about being old? Like? Is it bad to be? Like?
Am I being a millennial? Sometimes I feel like I
don't want to be like one of those older millennials,
not older millennials, Like, but that's real, you know what
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I'm saying. What people say like the older I don't
feel like I'm like a millennial. I feel like I'm
kind of gen z a little bit. Maybe I don't know, Yeah,
we were gonna like I definitely was gonna ask you
that too, Like, how do you both like identify? Like
I very much am a millennial, but I'm like a
younger millennial. Well, I'm not gonna get in between. E. Yeah,
I feel like I'm a younger millennial. Um, I was
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born in ninety three, so I'm I'm technically yes, a millennial,
but two years later or three two or three years
later is gen z. So I feel like I'm not
that far asof millennials, according to Wikipedia, are actually from
nineteen eighty one to nineteen ninety six, and according to Wikipedia,
gen z is mid to late nineties ending in the tens. Yeah,
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so that's where I come in because I'm actually in
the middle. I was one in ninety five. So people
who are born in the year like I believe like
nineteen nineties, like three to like nineteen nine, we call ourselves. Yeah,
I feel like I'm that's that's me. I'm her. Yeah,
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Like I definitely I get all the cultural references that
the millennials say about the nineties snacks and the hip
hop shows and the perfect time of Nickelodeon and Disney,
But I also get all the cartoons that the kids
were watching. Because I had a baby sister, but a
constantly babysits, so I'm watching all the TV shows with her.
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I was listening to all the music. I was on
social media. You know, you gotta keep relevant with the kids.
Like yeah, I tell you, I watched Let It Shine.
I was there for those cultural moments of gen Z.
You know. Yeah, it's the weird thing. Like this weekend
where I was hanging out with these little babies. One
of them was nine and the other one was maybe
like four and I we were listening to Disney music
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and they I was like, do you guys want to hear?
They were like all about Incanto of course, right, Like
they were like we don't talk about Bruno or whatever.
And I was like, great, do you want to hear
a whole New World? Board hated me. Why did you
have been? Like I spent on a whole New World?
And they were like do you want to hear? And
then they go to me like do you want to
hear um four zone from turning red what they called
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for zone. See, I'm like listening, so they and so
I was cracking up because I look over to my
friend and I'm like I just pictured them in like
twenty years from now. They're going to tell their little
kids like, hey, do you guys want to hear four town?
And their little kids are gonna go, what is that trash?
Like actually they and spit. I'm just adding that for
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dramatic effect. But it's crazy how like that happens like
so quickly, because for me, like a whole new world
and and it was little kids go play off, And
it was me and another girl who's in their thirties
and we were listening to like Kunamatada and a whole
new world like it was like our generation. Um, So
it's definitely like interesting how quickly that happens. I'm actually
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a little bit older than y'all. I'm turning drumroll please,
I'm turning thirty five this year, and I feel so excited,
Like I feel like I'm leaning more into myself as adult,
as a man, as somebody who has done a lot
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of great things in their life. I've survived a lot
of things. I continue to see a lot of things. Um,
I'm slowing down a little bit in what I think
I should be doing and more about like where do
I want to grow towards now. Am I excited about
my age? Absolutely? Am I excited about the rest of
life that's coming my way? Absolutely? Am I excited about
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looking up? Not so much? What is that? What does
that feel for you? Like? Why does it give you?
I think that. I mean, look, there's a lot of
reasons for that. We work in entertainment, as you know,
and entertainment like you look at j Lo, j Lo
like sold her soul and she looks like she's twenty
five years old, and I'm like, girl, like, how do
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you look like that? So it's almost like this weird thing.
I do think that I'm aging well. I have like
I don't really have wrinkles on my face, thank god.
I think it's because oily, um, I don't really uh,
I have a lot of him um uh. And I
think that, like, you know, with several different things that
I've had done, I think that it's helped me, you know,
maintain this look that I have. Um. But do y'all
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have that fear of like looking Maybe I think you
guys are too young. I don't think that you guys
would have that fear yet of looking older. I mean,
people thought I was in my twenties since I was home.
I feel like I have a baby face. So when
even when I was like twenty or twenty one or
like even older than that, people think that I'm Even nowadays,
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people are like, are you in to college? Are you
going to school? I'm like, no, I dropped out. I'm
not um, I don't know. I don't want to feel
anything about aging. I don't want to get wrapped up
in anti aging ship like that whole like ages bullshit,
because I've seen it, what it what it does to
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my mom, and it dims her lights so much that
it doesn't allow her to live fully or freely, like
even I mean, and you can feel however you want
to feel. It's just like when you're looking from the
outside and watching somebody like kind of make themselves feel
bad about having like gray hair or a wrinkle or whatever,
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and when you that's not even something that anyone is
looking at at all. Everyone spoke to sing on your
light and your energy and what you bring to the
table in terms of like showing up as a good human,
Like yeah, and I don't want to get wrapped up
in that. That's really good, I mean, and you bring
up something that's a really good point too, because I
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feel like ages, m whether people want to admit it
or not, is a real thing. It's fucked up. It's
messed up, you know. I think that's why you see
like a lot of pop stars, like you know, when
Madonna was like, you know, kind of feeling the heat
of Lady Gaga, you know, or um, you know where
you think of different people who are feeling the heat
in different ways. Mariah with Ariana back in the day.
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Let's not happen, um, you know. And I don't care
about straightest men enough to know about any drama about them. Um.
But yeah, you're absolutely right, and that's really good that
you're not like that too. But in terms of Hollywood,
like if we circle back to that, that's our industry.
And if you look at how this cystst men are
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viewed when they get older, they're almost like they get
better with age stuff. And then the women, once they
hit a certain age, they get tossed to the wind
and like all of a sudden, it's about preserving your
skin and like you know, especially when you become a
mother and all that stuff. I feel like it is
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a lot harder on it's harder on everyone, but especially
when it comes to women in the industry to or
fems in general, and and and then especially when you're
plus size that full figured like and and going going
into the each each like individual like minority in there,
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like it's hard. It's hard. And then on top of
that to think about aging, like I don't want to
think about it, but I do think about it. Yeah,
I think the thing is about aging that I feel
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like it's for most of my life I've been treated
like an adult. So it's like I have this situation
where it's like I know that everyone constantly reminds me
Joyce for a baby, but I was a baby on
to pick somebody from school after school, you know what
I'm saying. Like I've always had that level of responsibility.
When I went out into the world, they didn't see
a child, they saw an adults. So for me, it's
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like I feel like the responsibility and agism and like
looking old. It's also it's hard for me because I
do feel like I'm in And that's the thing where
it's just like, am I scared of looking old? No,
because I've seen my mother. But even if I did
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look old and like, especially in Hollywood, it's just like agism.
It's like everything else. It's a mixture of racism, misogyny,
and uplifting white the pimacy in a way that's like
basically telling us if we don't look like this certain
celebrity who has the financial resource classism as well to
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get those little blood things in her face and her
booty massage body to look tight, like you're right, you're right.
I think that's the thing where it's like when it
comes to society and it comes to telling us what
our worth is, I just have this realization, you know,
like maybe you know, on my little you know period,
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I cry like all day and I have like epiphanies
called period aphanies. And I was like, I'm gonna deem
this from standards because it's just like no matter what
we do, we will never be enough, Like celebrities won't
be enough, Like Viola David's like, if we're looking at
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the industry now, people are getting bigger and getting those
bigger opportunities, like ray Quinta, they're doing all of their thirties.
Like just like there's so many people who are now
like letting not just you know, the teenagers who are
fresh from like high school get the accolades, but now
like in the industry that we all care about, it's
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like people who put the time, the money, into consistence
into what they do. And also like on the flip
side with pocs, like we're fun, we're fine, We're gonna
look great no matter what. And I just think that,
like when it comes to age, it's like I have
meant forty year olds to act like their ten. Yeah,
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and it's just like society, like we keep measuring ourselves
to this bracket of society where society doesn't even understand
what the beauty standard is. Yeah. Absolutely, And it's interesting
to talk about. You know, we're kind of leading into
the beauty aspect of age where there are also other
aspects of like your body changing. Like my sister, who's
an older millennial, was talking about how her back hurts
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a lot more, you know, and certain things that I
to other people in their thirties or late forties and forties,
I mean they're late thirties and early forties. There are
true things like your metabolism is slowing down, or you're
seeing different things of yourself where you're like this is changing,
so for me, like is it normal to have a
certain type of fear of aging, like I think absolutely,
And you can have the petty parts of it, like
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the like oh I want to look like this, and
you can also have like, oh my god, I don't
want my back to hurt in that way, like I
knock on what. I remember somebody at work who was
in my age now when I was y'all's age, told
me that they bent over over the weekend and messed
up their back. And I remember thinking, like Sam, like
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that sucks that you like bent over and hurt your back.
Now I'm like, if I turned too quickly while I'm
in bed, I could I could hurt myself a little bit.
So I have to be careful. You know. Joyce and
I were talking last night about this of of like,
you know, health versus doing health for society, you know,
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in terms of like you don't want your back to hurt,
so maybe you're gonna be a little more. You're gonna
strengthen your back so that you prevent that versus like,
you know, getting fit for I don't know, because you
want an X, Y and Z, and obviously every every
personal goal that you have is your goal, and it's
valid to you, and that is important in itself. Um.
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But for me, like I think recently, like I've been
getting sick a lot, more like a cold. UM. Like
I have noticed some of my like my knee has
started to hurt. Um. And I have not been eating
right at all. And I've noticed some of these things
are um not enhancing my health at all and or
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my energy as I get older. So I feel like
I'm going to start taking better care of myself so
I can make it the long towards the long run. Um.
Not because of society or looks, so because for myself,
because if I enjoys. Caught me last night where I
was talking about wanting to do stuff for you know,
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I don't know image, and she was like that, I
love you, but that's not you like that. What do
you think are some of the perks of getting older?
Like what are some things that you have found so
far in being in your twenties? Uh that you have
found her like the perks a better understanding of finance.
My titties will get bigger, my, but will get around it.
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I can. I will make people do what my mother does,
which is be their personal servant every time she's in
the room. I what else I could tell the kids
back in mind, I can't wait to be like my
dream in life is to live the most craziest life
so that when my grandkids find out about me, they're
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like grandmother. What I love that I wonder where my
big giant Vibean Westwood hats, my little sweaters and my
high waist of pants and just be like hunched over
and be like you silly motherfucker, like in the fucking
like convalescent home, just talking ship but looking fabulous. Also,
when I'm in the return at home or wherever I'll
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be doing some crazy stuff, I'll be sucking dick again maybe,
but that will be on my TV joint in my
hands twenty four seven. Nobody that sounds nice. Sometimes I
feel like I'm already in retirement or I'm just like
I just want to I just want to sit. Like
last night, I turned on this like cute TikTok sunset light,
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I put on House of Gucci, took my little edible
and just washed, laid down, had my I had my
weighted blanket, blanket, weighted blanket. If you want before, you
are ready for it, now I'm ready. I definitely feel
like my brain is more. His brain brain is developed, like, yeah,
you know what I'm saying. I remember ten years ago
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when I was nineteen in love, thinking I was going
to get married to this guy, um, thinking like I
my life was going to be one way, and also
feeling like I don't know what I'm doing. And I
obviously don't know what I'm doing now ever we never do.
But back then, I remember feeling like I don't know.
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I'm young, I'm very young. I felt like naive and
young and inexperience. And now I feel like I've been
through a lot. I feel like I can handle a
lot more. I'm prepped for a lot more. And I
feel like the biggest thing that I've learned as I
get older is that, um, I'm learning to stop taking
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things so personal and just like not not think about
like I said this thing, I said this thing, or
they said this thing. Does that mean that should I
get mad about that? Or should I I'm just like, nope,
it's good, it's okay. The whole thing is like, it's
all of this, all of this work always carrying out
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to what to die because eventually, essentially that's what's gonna
happen to all of us, right, Like, so you're like, Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna go do this. I can live
maybe twenty minutes longer. I don't know, but um, I
did want to ask you guys to like. For me,
one of the biggest things that I have enjoyed about
getting older is a life lessons. The life lessons whether
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it's through patterns that I have broken because I'm getting older,
it's different understandings, it's learning and kind of attaining new
tools so that I can become a better person. Um.
For me, I think that my favorite lesson so far
has been about love, right, And I think I'm always
I'm so curious about love. And I think that when
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you're a kid and you're in twelve years old and
you're in love with somebody, you think that's the love
of your life and that's who you want to be with,
and it's that there's no other. And then you get
in your teens and you're like, I'm like, I'm in
love with this guy, and then you're kind of happens
over and over. What I've learned now is that as
an adult, love will find you in different ways than
you think it will, and it will have the same
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sort of magnitude and the same sort of weight um
And it doesn't always look the way that you think
it will look, but it will always And I learned
this watching my grandmother, who's dealing with dementia right now.
She has not always been the kindest person, and she
has been at times a trauma inducing and somebody who
has been the victimizer and a victim. And watching some
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of her quote not quote, but watching some of her
victims come back to help her in her dementia, to
feed her, to bathe her, to take care of her,
it becomes this grand lesson for me of love will
always find you. And I don't think that that's something
that I would have learned, you know, when I was younger.
And not to get super deep, but like, what are
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some lessons that you think that you have learned so far?
I've learned faith, faith in my self, faith in the
people that I'm surrounding in, and faith that it will
get better. Also, I learned to be as oblivious and
as dumb as I want to be, like which people understood.
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People always ask me why you so accompany yourself? Why
did it? Because I decided I'm gonna be oblivious to
my flaws and I'm just gonna exist because I just everything,
like you said, like at one point, I'm gonna be
an ancestor in the fifth dimension. Tell my great great granddaughter,
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don't text up boy, back your feather on the ground.
So I feel like at this point, at this point
in my life, I'm just supposed to live and I'm
just supposed to exist, and like I'm just I My
biggest life lesson is that it always gets better and
that sometimes in life, like not to say it's it
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might be a little bit of a trauma spots which
just put those blinders on, and then once you and
then when you do stop, you look around and like
the love and the family and the friendship I've always wanted,
they were always there for me. I yeah, I think
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it's sort of the same. I think who gives a fuck? Like?
I think? Me and Curly we talked about that a
lot of like who cares? Like? I think we I
focus a lot on some of the even though I
don't I feel like I don't hold a lot of grudges.
I feel like I hold a lot of sad space
for connections that have not worked out. And I think
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that just needs to be like let go. I think
I'm learning to let go of a lot of those
things and just be in the moment, which is I know,
I know, my name is Maya in the moment. And
I think the reason why it was it was add
was to remind me that I need to continue to
be in the moment because the moment, you're in the
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past or the future like it just you're not in
the moment, You're not living in the present, and um,
that can help you so much to just focus and
be grounded. So I think letting go of those things
and also just being present are the biggest things that
I've learned because they just helped to ground you so much,
because we can get lost right absolutely all right, now,
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let's move on to the big astrology sections that would
be slapping my big astrology. I wanted to talk to
you about which signs do you think are like the
Viets or the viet Hos or the vie the zodiac, like,
which signs do you think, Oh, my God, like they
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are born, Oh like I'd be like for me, Pisces,
I'm like they no, but they're the oldest sign. I
feel like forever are like ever since I was a kid.
My best see a real in high school Sonia. Like
people that I know, other pisces, They're like, I'd rather
just stay in and just hang out and like like
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hang out in my own moisture, then go out and
do like crazy stuff. You know, I could be like that.
My little sister who called me during this recording as
the pisces, and she she's so she's such a young persons.
So she's like she'll tell me like she feels alone,
and I'm like, girl, get me friends, go out. But
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she's like really sitting there and looking at the systematic
pressures of a of a woman going to a p
w I and I'm like, girl, take a shot and
shake that ass shot. Wait, take a shot and shake
like enjoy it. Enjoy it doesn't have to change your life.
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And I think that's one thing I love about pisces,
because they're so deep and introspective. But it's because they're
so old that they live in the clouds a lot,
so you gotta take them down, drop them down back
to earth. You know, I would agree with that. I
think I have a lot of Pisces in my chart,
and I can very much. I I feel very old
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sometimes in terms of my spirit or like I feel
like I can get very cranky. It's like an old
lady and like an old biddy sometimes, like about being
a virgo. Like Earth signs, I feel like Earth signs
are also kind of like oh, like I always tell
you why. I feel like aries are like go into
the field like they and they burn the field down,
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and they want to you know, cause like you know,
because it don't help the field regenerate. And I feel
like I'm a wooden staff, like just like hello, when
we take into the forest to guide and lead us
enjoys the air that pushes us to go forward. Which
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science do you think need to grow up a little bit? Aries?
I think Aquarius? Quar I think Aquarius. So like there's
an age of a belief because you have the sexology book, right,
really have that? What sexu ology? Aren't they like the
one before Pissey. So they're like in the fifties, the fifties, sixties, seventies,
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in most nursing homes there's always an std O break.
So they're like they're just the freaky people in the
nursing home doing all the and make it up with
each other that is here to be freaking Yeah. I agree.
I feel like if anyone is going to have a
spiritual s c I and not Sci shaming anybody because
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we all have some sort of form of something, um,
it would be Aquarius in the commonalescent home. You know
what I'm saying. I just feel like they're they're supposed
to just be in wherever they're supposed to be, peace
and love. Like they're a sign that I feel like
forever live in the nineteen seventies and Sagittarius. Sagittarius needs
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to grow up a little bit, you know what to
I do want to say this, this is not a
reflection of people that actually know. So all my Aquarius friends,
they're actually like they're great teachers of mine in my life.
Um So I don't want to say that, but I
do in general, like when I date, I'm thinking of
dating wise when I date Aquarius, and I'm like, yeah,
I'm like huh okay, and then maybe maybe Aries Aries
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for sure, No, sometimes I'm Sagittarius and Aries, but Aries
we can be brats, Like I am a brat sometimes,
Like I can totally and I'll own it and admit it.
And I'll say, sorry, Obeny Jerry, it just happens where
it is. We're the youngest, were the young were the
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first born out of the whole, so like are we
start off the whole thing? So of course we're going
to get things wrong. We're younger, we're just young and cute.
Were young and cute. Well, guys, that concludes our astrology section.
So in full, I think that we've had a valuable
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lesson today. Ages um or fear of aging is something
that's rooted in a lot of toxicity. And even myself,
I heard myself say some things that I'm like, oh oh,
like I need to like also teach myself and learn
some different things I'm learning even right now in real
time on air. Um, what about you? Any final thoughts?
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But I think with that, like give yourself some grace,
Like this isn't something that you know, we all chose
to think about or to put upon ourselves. Were a
reflection or we're like a mirror of society, and like
I think we're just trying to fight the darkness that's
trying to change us into trying to be one thing. Um,
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So yeah, I think that like it's okay to feel
that way, I think, give yourself some compassion and grace.
But you know, also it's it's your it's also an
opportunity to reclaim and take back um some of those things. Absolutely,
I'll probably hear this in ten years from now and
be like, oh God, thirty year old Curly was a dummy?
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What about you, Joyce? Any final thoughts? My final thoughts
is everything that Mike said. I think that we're all learning,
we're all growing, and I can't wait to be thirty. God, same,
I can't wait. I think wherever you are in life,
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no matter what age you are, you're right, thirties, forties, fifties,
I think, uh, loving, attempting and trying and working towards
loving yourself, or where you're at being the best slash
your favorite version of yourself. Wherever you're at, leaning heavy,
be compassionate, be kind to yourself, no matter how you're aging,
no matter how you're growing. It's exactly how it's meant
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to be. So thank you so much for listening to
another episode of The Super Secret Besty Club. Joyce Luisi,
Where can people find you? You can find me at
a tribe called Joyce on all social media platforms again
a tribe called Joyce on all social media platform what
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about you Joyce's Joyce is just going to join our club. Honestly,
I already feel it and I accept it. I want it,
I want it. Um. You can find me at May
in the Moment, m A y a in the Moment
on everything on all social media platforms. What about you, Curly,
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Hey, what are you doing here? Me? What are you
doing here? Joyce? Choice is like you a bad lady.
You both look so old. You look old. My booty
is so fat though, we'll either we get the big
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booty in here getting. My name is Curly and I'm
Maya And Welcome to the Super Secret Best Club podcast,
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talk about love, friendships, heartbreaks, men, and of course our
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Joyce Luis jan Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Manor are actually super obsessed with you in real life,
like truly obsessed with you. So we're like, oh, I
not have a front of the episode. I feel the
same way. You guys are literally eternal beings of like
that we all get to witness. So I had something
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in my throat, possibly a sign of getting old. So
today we're going to talk about basically aging like I
wanted to talk about this because I feel like today,
with the way that things are going, I feel like
I'm getting older a little bit faster than I feel
like other people, um, you know, are getting are feeling older.
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Like for example, I remember like for the first time
I ever felt old, it was when I first it
at BuzzFeed. I was twenty six years old and I
started singing a Spice Girl song and this two year
old looked over at me and said, oh, is that
the same band that sings No Scrubs? And I remember
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thinking to myself, Wow, this person does not know the
Spice Girls like we already are are, so we're a
world apart, and they're confusing them with another iconic group
called TLC because very different, very different girl bands, um different.
What about y'all have y'all have ever had those moments
like when did you have the moment of being like, oh,
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I'm getting old? I remember it was when I was
a production coordinator and I did a shoot and we
had to do with a bunch of girl scouts and
one of the girl scout girls said to my face
that Edge is a better performer than Beyonce. When I
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read you, when I tell you, I had to have
my coworker. Just that's a child. I'm gonna say, what
is wrong? Boper over the head like a little cat
her I was. I was just like, look, I was
about to tell the girl about herself. But it's a
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totally different generation. You know. Isn't his name ed sheering?
Ed Sharon? Should Sharon Sharon? It sounds better. He should
change his name. I would like him more if his
name was at Sharon. It's just in cheering. What about you, man?
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I definitely recently have felt older. I just turned twenty
nine and in the last year of my twenties. I'll
be thirty next year, and I'm honestly very excited to
be thirty because I really feel like I'm coming in
to myself more. I feel like I'm being more like
decisive and like I'm not letting people like bully me
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or treat me any type of way, and I'm sticking
up for myself more um in a way that feels
empowering and less like this is my way or the highway. Um.
And recently I felt a little bit older because of TikTok.
I think, you know, I grew up on the Vine
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days and Vine was like my TikTok Like I was
in my early twenties when Vine came out, and so
I was the UM. I mean, there were younger people
on it too, but like I feel like I was
like kind of the niche demographic for it. UM and
Tiktoker's their niche demographic is like teenagers to like early twenties.
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I just don't get like what they do. I just
don't get the culture. I mean, I get it, but
it makes me feel older because I'm so not that
and in terms of making content, like it's just so
difficult to try to get behind. So I feel like
I'm jumping in between being trewed myself. But then sometimes
I'm like, am I being a millennial? Being a millennial
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right now? Do you have UM like insecurities or fear
about being old? Like? Is it bad to be? Like?
Am I being a millennial? Sometimes I feel like I
don't want to be like one of those older millennials,
not older millennials, Like, but that's real, you know what
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I'm saying. What people say like the older I don't
feel like I'm like a millennial. I feel like I'm
kind of gen z a little bit. Maybe I don't know, Yeah,
we were gonna like I definitely was gonna ask you
that too, Like, how do you both like identify? Like
I very much am a millennial, but I'm like a
younger millennial. Well, I'm not gonna get in between. E. Yeah,
I feel like I'm a younger millennial. Um, I was
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born in ninety three, so I'm I'm technically yes, a millennial,
but two years later or three two or three years
later is gen z. So I feel like I'm not
that far asof millennials, according to Wikipedia, are actually from
nineteen eighty one to nineteen ninety six, and according to Wikipedia,
gen z is mid to late nineties ending in the tens. Yeah,
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so that's where I come in because I'm actually in
the middle. I was one in ninety five. So people
who are born in the year like I believe like
nineteen nineties, like three to like nineteen nine, we call ourselves. Yeah,
I feel like I'm that's that's me. I'm her. Yeah,
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Like I definitely I get all the cultural references that
the millennials say about the nineties snacks and the hip
hop shows and the perfect time of Nickelodeon and Disney,
But I also get all the cartoons that the kids
were watching. Because I had a baby sister, but a
constantly babysits, so I'm watching all the TV shows with her.
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I was listening to all the music. I was on
social media. You know, you gotta keep relevant with the kids.
Like yeah, I tell you, I watched Let It Shine.
I was there for those cultural moments of gen Z.
You know. Yeah, it's the weird thing. Like this weekend
where I was hanging out with these little babies. One
of them was nine and the other one was maybe
like four and I we were listening to Disney music
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and they I was like, do you guys want to hear?
They were like all about Incanto of course, right, Like
they were like we don't talk about Bruno or whatever.
And I was like, great, do you want to hear
a whole New World? Board hated me. Why did you
have been? Like I spent on a whole New World?
And they were like do you want to hear? And
then they go to me like do you want to
hear um four zone from turning red what they called
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for zone. See, I'm like listening, so they and so
I was cracking up because I look over to my
friend and I'm like I just pictured them in like
twenty years from now. They're going to tell their little
kids like, hey, do you guys want to hear four town?
And their little kids are gonna go, what is that trash?
Like actually they and spit. I'm just adding that for
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dramatic effect. But it's crazy how like that happens like
so quickly, because for me, like a whole new world
and and it was little kids go play off, And
it was me and another girl who's in their thirties
and we were listening to like Kunamatada and a whole
new world like it was like our generation. Um, So
it's definitely like interesting how quickly that happens. I'm actually
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a little bit older than y'all. I'm turning drumroll please,
I'm turning thirty five this year, and I feel so excited,
Like I feel like I'm leaning more into myself as adult,
as a man, as somebody who has done a lot
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of great things in their life. I've survived a lot
of things. I continue to see a lot of things. Um,
I'm slowing down a little bit in what I think
I should be doing and more about like where do
I want to grow towards now. Am I excited about
my age? Absolutely? Am I excited about the rest of
life that's coming my way? Absolutely? Am I excited about
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looking up? Not so much? What is that? What does
that feel for you? Like? Why does it give you?
I think that. I mean, look, there's a lot of
reasons for that. We work in entertainment, as you know,
and entertainment like you look at j Lo, j Lo
like sold her soul and she looks like she's twenty
five years old, and I'm like, girl, like, how do
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you look like that? So it's almost like this weird thing.
I do think that I'm aging well. I have like
I don't really have wrinkles on my face, thank god.
I think it's because oily, um, I don't really uh,
I have a lot of him um uh. And I
think that, like, you know, with several different things that
I've had done, I think that it's helped me, you know,
maintain this look that I have. Um. But do y'all
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have that fear of like looking Maybe I think you
guys are too young. I don't think that you guys
would have that fear yet of looking older. I mean,
people thought I was in my twenties since I was home.
I feel like I have a baby face. So when
even when I was like twenty or twenty one or
like even older than that, people think that I'm Even nowadays,
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people are like, are you in to college? Are you
going to school? I'm like, no, I dropped out. I'm
not um, I don't know. I don't want to feel
anything about aging. I don't want to get wrapped up
in anti aging ship like that whole like ages bullshit,
because I've seen it, what it what it does to
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my mom, and it dims her lights so much that
it doesn't allow her to live fully or freely, like
even I mean, and you can feel however you want
to feel. It's just like when you're looking from the
outside and watching somebody like kind of make themselves feel
bad about having like gray hair or a wrinkle or whatever,
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and when you that's not even something that anyone is
looking at at all. Everyone spoke to sing on your
light and your energy and what you bring to the
table in terms of like showing up as a good human,
Like yeah, and I don't want to get wrapped up
in that. That's really good, I mean, and you bring
up something that's a really good point too, because I
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feel like ages, m whether people want to admit it
or not, is a real thing. It's fucked up. It's
messed up, you know. I think that's why you see
like a lot of pop stars, like you know, when
Madonna was like, you know, kind of feeling the heat
of Lady Gaga, you know, or um, you know where
you think of different people who are feeling the heat
in different ways. Mariah with Ariana back in the day.
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Let's not happen, um, you know. And I don't care
about straightest men enough to know about any drama about them. Um.
But yeah, you're absolutely right, and that's really good that
you're not like that too. But in terms of Hollywood,
like if we circle back to that, that's our industry.
And if you look at how this cystst men are
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viewed when they get older, they're almost like they get
better with age stuff. And then the women, once they
hit a certain age, they get tossed to the wind
and like all of a sudden, it's about preserving your
skin and like you know, especially when you become a
mother and all that stuff. I feel like it is
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a lot harder on it's harder on everyone, but especially
when it comes to women in the industry to or
fems in general, and and and then especially when you're
plus size that full figured like and and going going
into the each each like individual like minority in there,
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like it's hard. It's hard. And then on top of
that to think about aging, like I don't want to
think about it, but I do think about it. Yeah,
I think the thing is about aging that I feel
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like it's for most of my life I've been treated
like an adult. So it's like I have this situation
where it's like I know that everyone constantly reminds me
Joyce for a baby, but I was a baby on
to pick somebody from school after school, you know what
I'm saying. Like I've always had that level of responsibility.
When I went out into the world, they didn't see
a child, they saw an adults. So for me, it's
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like I feel like the responsibility and agism and like
looking old. It's also it's hard for me because I
do feel like I'm in And that's the thing where
it's just like, am I scared of looking old? No,
because I've seen my mother. But even if I did
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look old and like, especially in Hollywood, it's just like agism.
It's like everything else. It's a mixture of racism, misogyny,
and uplifting white the pimacy in a way that's like
basically telling us if we don't look like this certain
celebrity who has the financial resource classism as well to
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get those little blood things in her face and her
booty massage body to look tight, like you're right, you're right.
I think that's the thing where it's like when it
comes to society and it comes to telling us what
our worth is, I just have this realization, you know,
like maybe you know, on my little you know period,
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I cry like all day and I have like epiphanies
called period aphanies. And I was like, I'm gonna deem
this from standards because it's just like no matter what
we do, we will never be enough, Like celebrities won't
be enough, Like Viola David's like, if we're looking at
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the industry now, people are getting bigger and getting those
bigger opportunities, like ray Quinta, they're doing all of their thirties.
Like just like there's so many people who are now
like letting not just you know, the teenagers who are
fresh from like high school get the accolades, but now
like in the industry that we all care about, it's
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like people who put the time, the money, into consistence
into what they do. And also like on the flip
side with pocs, like we're fun, we're fine, We're gonna
look great no matter what. And I just think that,
like when it comes to age, it's like I have
meant forty year olds to act like their ten. Yeah,
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and it's just like society, like we keep measuring ourselves
to this bracket of society where society doesn't even understand
what the beauty standard is. Yeah. Absolutely, And it's interesting
to talk about. You know, we're kind of leading into
the beauty aspect of age where there are also other
aspects of like your body changing. Like my sister, who's
an older millennial, was talking about how her back hurts
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a lot more, you know, and certain things that I
to other people in their thirties or late forties and forties,
I mean they're late thirties and early forties. There are
true things like your metabolism is slowing down, or you're
seeing different things of yourself where you're like this is changing,
so for me, like is it normal to have a
certain type of fear of aging, like I think absolutely,
And you can have the petty parts of it, like
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the like oh I want to look like this, and
you can also have like, oh my god, I don't
want my back to hurt in that way, like I
knock on what. I remember somebody at work who was
in my age now when I was y'all's age, told
me that they bent over over the weekend and messed
up their back. And I remember thinking, like Sam, like
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that sucks that you like bent over and hurt your back.
Now I'm like, if I turned too quickly while I'm
in bed, I could I could hurt myself a little bit.
So I have to be careful. You know. Joyce and
I were talking last night about this of of like,
you know, health versus doing health for society, you know,
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in terms of like you don't want your back to hurt,
so maybe you're gonna be a little more. You're gonna
strengthen your back so that you prevent that versus like,
you know, getting fit for I don't know, because you
want an X, Y and Z, and obviously every every
personal goal that you have is your goal, and it's
valid to you, and that is important in itself. Um.
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But for me, like I think recently, like I've been
getting sick a lot, more like a cold. UM. Like
I have noticed some of my like my knee has
started to hurt. Um. And I have not been eating
right at all. And I've noticed some of these things
are um not enhancing my health at all and or
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my energy as I get older. So I feel like
I'm going to start taking better care of myself so
I can make it the long towards the long run. Um.
Not because of society or looks, so because for myself,
because if I enjoys. Caught me last night where I
was talking about wanting to do stuff for you know,
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I don't know image, and she was like that, I
love you, but that's not you like that. What do
you think are some of the perks of getting older?
Like what are some things that you have found so
far in being in your twenties? Uh that you have
found her like the perks a better understanding of finance.
My titties will get bigger, my, but will get around it.
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I can. I will make people do what my mother does,
which is be their personal servant every time she's in
the room. I what else I could tell the kids
back in mind, I can't wait to be like my
dream in life is to live the most craziest life
so that when my grandkids find out about me, they're
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like grandmother. What I love that I wonder where my
big giant Vibean Westwood hats, my little sweaters and my
high waist of pants and just be like hunched over
and be like you silly motherfucker, like in the fucking
like convalescent home, just talking ship but looking fabulous. Also,
when I'm in the return at home or wherever I'll
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be doing some crazy stuff, I'll be sucking dick again maybe,
but that will be on my TV joint in my
hands twenty four seven. Nobody that sounds nice. Sometimes I
feel like I'm already in retirement or I'm just like
I just want to I just want to sit. Like
last night, I turned on this like cute TikTok sunset light,
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I put on House of Gucci, took my little edible
and just washed, laid down, had my I had my
weighted blanket, blanket, weighted blanket. If you want before, you
are ready for it, now I'm ready. I definitely feel
like my brain is more. His brain brain is developed, like, yeah,
you know what I'm saying. I remember ten years ago
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when I was nineteen in love, thinking I was going
to get married to this guy, um, thinking like I
my life was going to be one way, and also
feeling like I don't know what I'm doing. And I
obviously don't know what I'm doing now ever we never do.
But back then, I remember feeling like I don't know.
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I'm young, I'm very young. I felt like naive and
young and inexperience. And now I feel like I've been
through a lot. I feel like I can handle a
lot more. I'm prepped for a lot more. And I
feel like the biggest thing that I've learned as I
get older is that, um, I'm learning to stop taking
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things so personal and just like not not think about
like I said this thing, I said this thing, or
they said this thing. Does that mean that should I
get mad about that? Or should I I'm just like, nope,
it's good, it's okay. The whole thing is like, it's
all of this, all of this work always carrying out
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to what to die because eventually, essentially that's what's gonna
happen to all of us, right, Like, so you're like, Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna go do this. I can live
maybe twenty minutes longer. I don't know, but um, I
did want to ask you guys to like. For me,
one of the biggest things that I have enjoyed about
getting older is a life lessons. The life lessons whether
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it's through patterns that I have broken because I'm getting older,
it's different understandings, it's learning and kind of attaining new
tools so that I can become a better person. Um.
For me, I think that my favorite lesson so far
has been about love, right, And I think I'm always
I'm so curious about love. And I think that when
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you're a kid and you're in twelve years old and
you're in love with somebody, you think that's the love
of your life and that's who you want to be with,
and it's that there's no other. And then you get
in your teens and you're like, I'm like, I'm in
love with this guy, and then you're kind of happens
over and over. What I've learned now is that as
an adult, love will find you in different ways than
you think it will, and it will have the same
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sort of magnitude and the same sort of weight um
And it doesn't always look the way that you think
it will look, but it will always And I learned
this watching my grandmother, who's dealing with dementia right now.
She has not always been the kindest person, and she
has been at times a trauma inducing and somebody who
has been the victimizer and a victim. And watching some
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of her quote not quote, but watching some of her
victims come back to help her in her dementia, to
feed her, to bathe her, to take care of her,
it becomes this grand lesson for me of love will
always find you. And I don't think that that's something
that I would have learned, you know, when I was younger.
And not to get super deep, but like, what are
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some lessons that you think that you have learned so far?
I've learned faith, faith in my self, faith in the
people that I'm surrounding in, and faith that it will
get better. Also, I learned to be as oblivious and
as dumb as I want to be, like which people understood.
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People always ask me why you so accompany yourself? Why
did it? Because I decided I'm gonna be oblivious to
my flaws and I'm just gonna exist because I just everything,
like you said, like at one point, I'm gonna be
an ancestor in the fifth dimension. Tell my great great granddaughter,
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don't text up boy, back your feather on the ground.
So I feel like at this point, at this point
in my life, I'm just supposed to live and I'm
just supposed to exist, and like I'm just I My
biggest life lesson is that it always gets better and
that sometimes in life, like not to say it's it
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might be a little bit of a trauma spots which
just put those blinders on, and then once you and
then when you do stop, you look around and like
the love and the family and the friendship I've always wanted,
they were always there for me. I yeah, I think
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it's sort of the same. I think who gives a fuck? Like?
I think? Me and Curly we talked about that a
lot of like who cares? Like? I think we I
focus a lot on some of the even though I
don't I feel like I don't hold a lot of grudges.
I feel like I hold a lot of sad space
for connections that have not worked out. And I think
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that just needs to be like let go. I think
I'm learning to let go of a lot of those
things and just be in the moment, which is I know,
I know, my name is Maya in the moment. And
I think the reason why it was it was add
was to remind me that I need to continue to
be in the moment because the moment, you're in the
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past or the future like it just you're not in
the moment, You're not living in the present, and um,
that can help you so much to just focus and
be grounded. So I think letting go of those things
and also just being present are the biggest things that
I've learned because they just helped to ground you so much,
because we can get lost right absolutely all right, now,
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let's move on to the big astrology sections that would
be slapping my big astrology. I wanted to talk to
you about which signs do you think are like the
Viets or the viet Hos or the vie the zodiac, like,
which signs do you think, Oh, my God, like they
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are born, Oh like I'd be like for me, Pisces,
I'm like they no, but they're the oldest sign. I
feel like forever are like ever since I was a kid.
My best see a real in high school Sonia. Like
people that I know, other pisces, They're like, I'd rather
just stay in and just hang out and like like
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hang out in my own moisture, then go out and
do like crazy stuff. You know, I could be like that.
My little sister who called me during this recording as
the pisces, and she she's so she's such a young persons.
So she's like she'll tell me like she feels alone,
and I'm like, girl, get me friends, go out. But
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she's like really sitting there and looking at the systematic
pressures of a of a woman going to a p
w I and I'm like, girl, take a shot and
shake that ass shot. Wait, take a shot and shake
like enjoy it. Enjoy it doesn't have to change your life.
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And I think that's one thing I love about pisces,
because they're so deep and introspective. But it's because they're
so old that they live in the clouds a lot,
so you gotta take them down, drop them down back
to earth. You know, I would agree with that. I
think I have a lot of Pisces in my chart,
and I can very much. I I feel very old
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sometimes in terms of my spirit or like I feel
like I can get very cranky. It's like an old
lady and like an old biddy sometimes, like about being
a virgo. Like Earth signs, I feel like Earth signs
are also kind of like oh, like I always tell
you why. I feel like aries are like go into
the field like they and they burn the field down,
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and they want to you know, cause like you know,
because it don't help the field regenerate. And I feel
like I'm a wooden staff, like just like hello, when
we take into the forest to guide and lead us
enjoys the air that pushes us to go forward. Which
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science do you think need to grow up a little bit? Aries?
I think Aquarius? Quar I think Aquarius. So like there's
an age of a belief because you have the sexology book, right,
really have that? What sexu ology? Aren't they like the
one before Pissey. So they're like in the fifties, the fifties, sixties, seventies,
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in most nursing homes there's always an std O break.
So they're like they're just the freaky people in the
nursing home doing all the and make it up with
each other that is here to be freaking Yeah. I agree.
I feel like if anyone is going to have a
spiritual s c I and not Sci shaming anybody because
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we all have some sort of form of something, um,
it would be Aquarius in the commonalescent home. You know
what I'm saying. I just feel like they're they're supposed
to just be in wherever they're supposed to be, peace
and love. Like they're a sign that I feel like
forever live in the nineteen seventies and Sagittarius. Sagittarius needs
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to grow up a little bit, you know what to
I do want to say this, this is not a
reflection of people that actually know. So all my Aquarius friends,
they're actually like they're great teachers of mine in my life.
Um So I don't want to say that, but I
do in general, like when I date, I'm thinking of
dating wise when I date Aquarius, and I'm like, yeah,
I'm like huh okay, and then maybe maybe Aries Aries
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for sure, No, sometimes I'm Sagittarius and Aries, but Aries
we can be brats, Like I am a brat sometimes,
Like I can totally and I'll own it and admit it.
And I'll say, sorry, Obeny Jerry, it just happens where
it is. We're the youngest, were the young were the
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first born out of the whole, so like are we
start off the whole thing? So of course we're going
to get things wrong. We're younger, we're just young and cute.
Were young and cute. Well, guys, that concludes our astrology section.
So in full, I think that we've had a valuable
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lesson today. Ages um or fear of aging is something
that's rooted in a lot of toxicity. And even myself,
I heard myself say some things that I'm like, oh oh,
like I need to like also teach myself and learn
some different things I'm learning even right now in real
time on air. Um, what about you? Any final thoughts?
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But I think with that, like give yourself some grace,
Like this isn't something that you know, we all chose
to think about or to put upon ourselves. Were a
reflection or we're like a mirror of society, and like
I think we're just trying to fight the darkness that's
trying to change us into trying to be one thing. Um,
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So yeah, I think that like it's okay to feel
that way, I think, give yourself some compassion and grace.
But you know, also it's it's your it's also an
opportunity to reclaim and take back um some of those things. Absolutely,
I'll probably hear this in ten years from now and
be like, oh God, thirty year old Curly was a dummy?
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What about you, Joyce? Any final thoughts? My final thoughts
is everything that Mike said. I think that we're all learning,
we're all growing, and I can't wait to be thirty. God, same,
I can't wait. I think wherever you are in life,
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no matter what age you are, you're right, thirties, forties, fifties,
I think, uh, loving, attempting and trying and working towards
loving yourself, or where you're at being the best slash
your favorite version of yourself. Wherever you're at, leaning heavy,
be compassionate, be kind to yourself, no matter how you're aging,
no matter how you're growing. It's exactly how it's meant
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to be. So thank you so much for listening to
another episode of The Super Secret Besty Club. Joyce Luisi,
Where can people find you? You can find me at
a tribe called Joyce on all social media platforms again
a tribe called Joyce on all social media platform what
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about you Joyce's Joyce is just going to join our club. Honestly,
I already feel it and I accept it. I want it,
I want it. Um. You can find me at May
in the Moment, m A y a in the Moment
on everything on all social media platforms. What about you, Curly,
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You can find me at the Curly b Show That
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