September 24, 2025 • 59 mins
Curly and Maya sit down with the brilliant Tanya Saracho, creator of the hit Starz series Vida, for a conversation that’s equal parts spicy and spiritual. The trio dives into Tanya's OnlyFans new idea, before spilling some behind-the-scenes Hollywood tea about representation, the hustle, and surviving the industry. To top it all off, Tanya opens up about her personal journey into brujería, sharing how ancestral practices influence her creativity and life. Get ready for a mix of laughter, gossip, and deep truths in this great episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I know I said I'm green at the don't say.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
If they want ASMR like we did all of that
with all this and.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Then like like a support group.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
You should be like, I wanted to know how did
I do? Can you send me notes? Can you tell me?
Was it hot for you? Was it was? I okay?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
If I tried to make visa now, I wouldn't be
able to nobody would buy it.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
My name is Curly and I'm Maya.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
The Super Secret Bestie Club Podcast, Season four is here
and we're locked in.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
That means more juicy cheese man, terrible love advice.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Evil spells, de cast on your ex.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
We're not doing that this season.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Oh well, this season we're leveling up.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Each episode will feature a special best siet and you're
not gonna want to miss it. So what are you
waiting for? Whoa?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Oh my gosh, how did you get in here?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Whoa?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's excuse me.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
It's tannus ratchown because I'm a green because I just
got my citizenship.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
So let's talk about that. Get in here.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Welcome to another episode of The Super Secret Besty Club Podcast.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
We have not been asking how our spirits are.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
We have this thing that we always say, how's your spirit?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, so we're gonna go around. Well, first of all, wait,
how did you get here?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Number one?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
First of all, because I always tell you whenever I'm
with you, I'm like, you need your own show, and
you need your own like podcast, just a camera on you.
This is like your usual to you, it look amazing.
And then I love how your brain.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Is, like I won my own show.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
But like that, I write, right, let's all manifest for that.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
You're just so much really funny too, Like I just
need you to like have five things that you talk about,
have your little like Q cards go okay, and then
you make your sound effects and then you're like what
do you say? What are you?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
But you just don't know what to say, but you
know what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
And then and then you're like, okay, this week in
in current events. And then you have your sidekake in
the back just laughing and saying whatever. I don't know.
I just have this vision for you. Produce it actually.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Enough to say I wouldn't have anything to say like.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
That.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
You're right now, you're right?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
But how is your spirit? How are you? How's your
spirit today?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
It's it's good today, it's it's really good. I just
had a really intense healing and experience that was really strange.
But then came yesterday. She comes every week to my
house and she cleaned it all out. She's told which
is a northern Mexican tribe and and she's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But it was like I had a really like kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Scary spiritual experience with a healer a healer, and then
came and it was amazing by the way I can
give everyone her info. She just I'm really I'm really
lucky that I found like spiritual health practitioners that are
really like my acupuncturist is amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And then this Correnda too.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
And it's just these women in my life that are
like sort of holding me up and grounding me and
cleaning me.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It's it's I'm in a good spot for that, Like
I have an army. Yeah right now, I.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Feel really like aligned with that as well. I just
got back from the south of France. My mom taught
an art retreat there, so like Mexican folk are in France. Yeah,
with like a bunch of different women who ended up
they kept apologizing because they're like, I'm sorry, I don't
know if anybody is like aware of like woo woo stuff.
(03:39):
But like I've been like seeing your guys's like deceased
loved ones around you, like I'm so sorry, I'm so weird,
and we're.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Like just Tuesday.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Everybody was very psychic.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Everybody was very aligned and attuned. And we were in
this like mountain town where it was like this magical
fountain where you had to go to the fountain to
get the water and it was very healing, like this
lady had like this ear infection and and our host
was like, just put water on it. Put the water
on it. Every day healed, Like I lost because.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
The food I had, the food, but yeah, food, the
lack of preservatives.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yes, And our host was also very spiritual, and she
every single day she could tune to what we were feeling.
And she was like, I'm gonna make this certain soup for.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
You guys today because you guys are fatigued.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I'm going to make this because you guys need energy
and so and But it was a group of women
who had that same vibe where everybody was Yes, it
felt exact, and nobody really it wasn't like a spiritual
type of thing, but like we got past life reading
and yeah, I was like, yes, it was, yes, but
(04:53):
it's the women of it all.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Came together because it was meant to come to.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Oh, I just kind of whack as past life regrets
a few days ago, and she kept talking about me.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
This bad wizard in Roman times. He was your brother.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
He took your eyes and we kept trying to solve
the problem of my eyes.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And I was like, but I don't know what to
do with that.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And I was like, okay, so my brother, and it
was like, hold on, I found you put a jewel
away a long time ago when you were in Atlantis,
and now I'm going to put it in your womb
that you hid this jewel. And I was like, I
love that. I had foresight hundreds and.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Jewel and now you're with this jewel.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So it could be real or this girl could be
you know. But she was like she was like and
she kept touching my.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Food and I was like, but but.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
She put a jewel in there, not in like a
sperit so but and I'm so smart lots of past
lives ago that I hit it, and I'm like, I
didn't ask her where where did.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I put it?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I was gonna say that about you.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I was gonna say, I do want to like let
our listeners know who we have here today, though, right
we have? So I think this was like a little
bit of like a we like to see what tab
says about our guests? Times?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
How much water? Just kidding me?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Do you know what's funny is that I also have
kat how much? What other things are equally as terrible
as you? Like? How what other things are terrible? And
She's like, girl, if your shoes have red dye in it,
it's terrible. If you use Amazon, it's terrible, like all
these other things that I.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Don't.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yeah, but I'm just gonna skim lightly through the one
what about you? Denis is a playwright and television writer
best known as to Create a showrunner and executive producer
stars critically acclaimed series Be That, which by the way,
earned one rating on Rotten Tomatoes, which also, by the way,
is so did Fleeback and Breaking Back. So it's in
(06:52):
great company all three seasons, yes, wow, all three seasons
across all three seasons broke round with an all Latine
and all Latina directors and writers' rooms. Or you also
allowed me to be in my very first and so
our only writers room. This Latina Battie is developing multiple
TV projects and adapting her off Broadway play Mala Yereba
(07:14):
for her feature film directorial debut. You co found it,
and then it goes into like all the different things
that you do, like co founded the United LATINX Project,
the Writer's Access Support staff training program to boost representation
in the media, a lot of awards that you've won.
It's like all over but and you can totally google this,
(07:34):
and I'm sure you've heard your bio of this all
the time. But what I wanted to say in terms
of your intro was that I and I always say
this is your face all the time. I always Saythanya
is about it. Danya has been someone that brings new
beats up with her new actors, new writers, directors. You
famously take chances on people you've had the same circle
of friends around you for a very long time that
you've also grown with and grown together and kind of
(07:57):
looked each other up. And I always say that we
always talk about the different houses that we come from,
and I always say I'm very happy to come from
the house of because so many of us were born
from your art and so thank you for coming to
be here.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
With uh you tell me that, which is likely.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I mean you put us in your show also, which
was every still to this day before like I saw
you and be there, I'm.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Like, yeah, yeah, comment.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I know we made you sing a funky that was
part of but I know, but that was anything for
you that nobody was part of that karaoke experience.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
If you if you sounded really good, it would you know,
But I mean you did sound.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Really good, but you actually you were. It was perfect.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It was funny because somebody was like I forgot who
was one of the writers, was like, you played the
perfect drunk character. Oh my gosh, it was perfect. I
was like, I wasn't.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
But thank you method acting.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Because even when you made the mistake, it was so cute,
like it was perfect.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
That's why let's do that song.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
So it was.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I mean, you have like made it. I mean, you've
given us so much, like the community so much, and
you've done so much, and we're so honored to have today.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
A lot of people always talk about the gatekeepers in
the community who like have access to shows and have
access to media and things that you know, a lot
of up and coming. People just don't where do we begin, right,
Like my family used to clean houses, and where do
you start? And I think that you've always been about it,
like since day one, Like I know that you will
find people on social media and be like can you
(09:32):
come and hang out and write with us and do that?
And so I always think that, like more people should
be like you, and I've.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Always been like, yes, that is something that I feel
like as Internet creators, like you were one of the
first people, the first person actually to pull us creators
into that world and to cross over that to that
world because it just I feel like the entertainment industry
(09:59):
when they see creators now, it's different, right, because it's
they're more integrated represented by me now. Yeah, But back then,
I feel like we were in a spot where we
could only be on the Internet, and yet we were
gaining like a bunch of the viewers that matched some
of these other shows, you know, and yet we still
(10:20):
weren't good enough to be in these shows or to
even have a part, or to even be a part
of the writer's room. And you like.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Because the talent was there and you were already doing
it and it was.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Sort of already the vibe of Via, which was you
know it already, was that I wanted to say something
about like about VI that and when we did it,
and you keep saying back then, back then, and it
does feel like back then. I get told and this
is a sad thing for me. I get told so
much that if I tried to make Via now, I
(10:52):
wouldn't be able to. Nobody would buy it, nobody would
find like they it wouldn't And because identity, have you noticed,
there's nothing.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Nothing saw need it, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Moment that we're in is like, yeah, this crazy moment.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
In fact, like one of the I was gonna make
this other show that was very similar to be them
but with and one of the things they told me
they were like, we are not h programming for the coasts.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
You know, yes, yes, and.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Can you Trojan horse the queerness I may be that
They were like, you don't have to put in the
first episode what like half it is like half of these.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Characters are queer.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Qu're in a very specific way that when we cast
it will be authentic and stuff, And there's saying that's
not the moment not you know, and so like and
when I when I go out and try to sell
stuff like that was so about the feelings, like not
big plot things happened.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
There were no big said people. Well maybe like there
was like or something, But it was about the feelings.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Right, It was about the the two sisters and the
and the world around them. It wasn't like dragons, you know.
But now they were like, you couldn't make a niche.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Show like that just letting Latini Latini characters exist, which
we don't get. We're not allot so we have to
be selling drugs, We have to be like writing dragons.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Or something like you they don't even let us write dragons.
But but like like it's not so right now it
feels like this this deficit of what because we're can you.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Think of a Latina show right now that it's like
nothing followed Posts or Viva.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Nothing followed those two shows for queer Latin representation.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
That beautifully illustrated too, and like that beautifully made, Like
you know, I remember somebody saying that Viva was like
the Vanity Fair of Latino content during that time, like
just the beauty of it and the quality of it,
the storytelling. And so you're right, like what kind of
came because.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's cable too.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
There's never been a cable Latina show except a long
time ago before cable was cable. There was a Resurrection
Boulevard before your time black in the day you were children.
But I was was even this country, Yes I was.
But but they don't let us have cable shows because that's.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
More prestige, that's more money.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Because like the reason V that looked so good because
stars gave us the money to color it, to get
good cinematographers.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It was like cinematic.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
But now, I mean, so I've wore this today for
you because I got this on the set.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Did you that did you? Were you able to take
care or did you buy it?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
I bought it at the end, you know, people, Yes,
I bought it at the end. And there was just
some options that were put in for my character, and
you know, we address it was so much fun.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I like when you were the not the priest, but
when you did the yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, yeah, I told this. They always bragged that, like
I remember that one of my photos was on the
inspiration board early on, and I'm like, you know, I
always like will brag about it, even just like Dona's
character I'm like, we were very similar. I'm like, I
love it, like I for ever just hold on to
that little piece of you know, history.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And I found Dona from watching him in a play,
And I found Sad from watching them in a play.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Too, Like I love that.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
And I watched your your stuff online too, So it's
like I love and that's I think that's why it
felt so real, because it was like people the talent.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
We have the talent.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
You have the talent, your storytellers, but they don't, like
you said, the gatekeepers don't let.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Us, don't let us come in, and they're.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Not letting me.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
But I mean, if you think about it, like you know,
Dona came from you, So all right, Dona now has
a new movie with Jlo coming out, I.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Know, okay, conical. Yeah yeah, Spider, can we talk about
Dona skin later?
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Oh beautiful? Absolutely, he's gorgeous. You know. Nish is shooting
a show in Canada right now with Zachary Quinto, Like
medi's a movie star, Like is on the.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Show, Like, yeah, he's right now. He was just texting
me while we were parking. He's doing this acting like
class thing at Circle in the Square.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
It's a really prestigious thing in New York.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And he just ran into Jonathan Groff right now and
they and uh, and it was like he was just
texting me, I love that kid.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
That kid, I want to write him. I just write
such female centric so I just want to I want
to be.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
In his car, right.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I was just telling Tyler about it. Yeah, he was homeless.
He was living in his car for five months before Vina.
He was showering at the gym and then he came
and blew us away. It's so funny about because Godlos,
because Carmen Kuba, so I had a Latina casting director.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
There's not a lot of them, but it mattered.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Because she also looked for people, like like when we
found a lot a lot of people, she was not
looking at just just acting, you know, circles. But Gordlos
I didn't see it at first when they showed me
his tape, because he sent a tape and it was
like he was in the back in a hotel room.
The light was bad, and I was like, I watched
(15:59):
it all was like, no, not him for and Carmen
was like, see it again, I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
He was wearing a pink shirt.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I was like, that's not Johnny, like no, and she
still brought him in physically.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
She was like she didn't tell me.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
She was like, well, let's call back some people and
she put got it and I hadn't seen it. Like
he he did a really bad like he knows this story,
like a really bad like he was like in the corner.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
It was really bad. Everybody else had like the lie.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
And he came in the and it was him and
it was godman, who like, you're not I know who
it is. You know, it's amazing because it would have
been not him. And then the way she did it too.
She she turns on the camera and she asked you questions,
so you're just answering personal questions. And that's when he
told us. He was like, I'm living out of my
car and stuff, and I was like, we have to.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
You know what's so brilliant about him.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
He he got into Station nineteen, that Shonda Ryan show
and stuff, and so he did really well and he.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
He's doing really well. He bought his mama house, so
from being home, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And you're like, oh, I love that, and to be
part of that journey I mean the beginning part of
that journey. He's done it all himself, you know, and
his talent did it even if I couldn't see it
at first, you know, because he.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Needs to get a light but get a light, yeah,
because I couldn't see it, but Carmen knew.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
But damn. But that goes back to the point of
just like how many people are affected by your ripple, right,
and how we see that just by you opening doors
for us, Like we don't really see that, But I
do want to go back a little bit to the beginning.
How you grew up like in a border town, right.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I grew up in a bordertown.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
That's that was my where I landed in the US,
but I'm from And then we moved all around Mexico
because my dad was in customs, so border stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But he was like that he would be the head
of that obviously.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
We we lived in Biking, which is bordered with Belize
or the north, you know by Texas. So that's how
we ended up in Texas. And then we we had
a weekend house in the American side and we just
kept coming until we kind of just stayed. So I
was undocumented when we when I started, But it was
(18:18):
it's so weird because in the nineties being a border,
like it was more porous, like sometimes we would not
even have our passports and we would be allowed.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
That could never happen. Now it's like militaries zon on
the border.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
But it was so it was it was different.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, And so they enrolled me in school. They gave
me a social Security number.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
It said not available for employment. But now it's so
it's just so it's just so different. So it was
like an easy but I was still undocumented, you know
when when I came, but in a in a weird
because the border was so poorous, it didn't feel like
some of the crossing stories that are now. And then
because I'm privileged, my father was able to help us
(18:59):
pay for a lawyer, and then I got my Green card,
you know, easily, So I always have to remember it's
like I'm very privileged.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
But but yeah, so like it was McCallum, Texas is
where where we landed, which is where a lot of
stuff is.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Going down, a lot of Yeah, and my family still
lives there. And then I went to school in Boston
University to study theater action.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I still use it to pitch and stuff like still
but but but yeah, So then theater I went to
and then I moved to Chicago, which is my I love.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I love that city.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Uh, and I spent like sixteen years of doing theater
and sort of getting my like it. I started a
theater company called Dia Theater Company. It was the only
one of its kind.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I and we nobody knew like what we were doing. Like,
nobody taught me.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
How to run a non for profit, but I was
running around for profit. Nobody taught me how to write place, and.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I was writing.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I was like, well, we can't afford royalties, so I'll
write the place or we will write the place together.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So it was like it was a really cool space
where no one was telling me no. So we were like,
let's write a comedy about abortion.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
There was no definitely no men telling us no, but
also no and we were all like because I was
twenty one when I started.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
The thing, so we were just doing the thing.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
And then so I arrived and then I started getting
you know, I became a real playwright when people started
giving me commissions and then awards and stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And then I came to write for.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
TV but I think because I was cocooned by those
women and the not telling me no, I arrived with
like no is not a thing I want to hear.
So I have a problem with that now too, because
TV is a lot about like getting notes and sometimes
I'm resistant.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Was like, I know what I'm trying to say, don't
tell me. Yeah, So like right now.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I think that's I'm still that kid who started the
theater company. That can't be because there's so many.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I'll walk away.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It's just not a good way to eat. But I
do look away.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
When I was in Chicago, a lot of people were like,
you're friends with like she's a legend out here, and
I'm like, yeah, I think I told you that that.
When I came back, people were like like people were seriously, like,
you know, they were theater kids here. I went to
like a theater show and people were just so, you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
The most I love the theater comediy in Chicago. It's
like it is the heart of the theater. Oh that's
where have you heard a step Wolve? No, that's John
Malkovich is and that they did august A, Like it's
one of the most famous theater companies in the world.
But also it started in a in a church in Chicago,
(22:05):
you know, and a lot of them are like that.
David Swimmer has something a company looking at so like
I moved so I could start a theater company because
it's possible because it's it's very it's cheap to live there,
and then you could rent a space and make a
theater out of it.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And people come.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
But it's not just your friends like here, it's like
your manager and your friends like, but they have the
culture of going to theater, like cops and bus drivers
and whatever, like they will just come see theater because
it's good, you know. That's why we were able to
the other was able to do really well because people
were like, oh, those the girls are doing some comedy
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body works, let's go, you know.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
But like so brave though, but.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
We didn't know because we were like dumb kids. But
I'm glad we didn't. I'm glad I didn't know what
to tell people.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Like when you're young, like shoot your shot, shoot your.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
It's like the being naive where you're just like you
don't know, I'm just gonna do it. And then I
feel like that's why I feel like I'm getting a
little bit like older, where I'm like a little more
afraid to take yeah, those risks because we've reached a
level of like different levels of success and you're like
can I replicate that?
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Or I need to shoot bigger?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And then I'm like, dang, I wish I had like
the gusto that I used to have, like where I
was like, I don't care, I'm just gonna upload this video.
Now I'm like, well, what is it?
Speaker 6 (23:25):
What's jen Z gonna say about it?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah? I feel like for me, it's not so much
that I'm afraid. I just don't have the same like
cohones almost Like I remember I used to literally eighteen
years old, banging on David la Chappelle's door and being
like can I please work here? And they're like no,
and they're like I would come back, just come back.
And I always tell people like when you're eighteen or
you're in your early twenties, like and you're knocking on
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someone's and you're like, can I please work for you,
it's not as jarring like you're like, oh, this young kid,
like look at him, they look at them, look at
her like they want a chance. But when you're my age,
and you're like, can I work here? It's a little
like who is this growing?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
You have a reputation now and then sometimes that has
weight and it holds. I'm just saying you in general,
you know, back my writing is so constricted now because
it has so many no but they made me read
from I wrote this play about It's called Our Lady
of the Underpass, one of my first commissions for the
Goodmin Theater, and it was because as sault Stain that
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looked just like the Virgin of Wa Lupe appeared under
the Fullerton Avenue overpass, and I went with a recorder
they used to be a recorders back then, two thousand
and five, and the pope had just died the night before,
so Polish immigrants and Mexican immigrants came and set up
like a cathedral, and they thought that she appeared because
the pope had died. So I was interviewing people, and
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I wrote a monologue play about just what they said,
almost forbad him. There was like racist people there, homophobic
people there, like it was like an amazing way to
be like.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
This is Chicago in two thousand and five, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
So then I did and I reread it the other day.
They made me reread it for a documentary about Chicago.
I had to read some of the monologs and I
was like.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
This is fucking good. Wait, I don't write like that.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
It was like fearless, like bad syntax whatever, like whatever,
whatever flaws.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But it was in a way that now it's more curated.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
And it was you, it was me it's almost three
and being like yeah, and I don't know where she is,
like I'm chasing.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
It that.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I know.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I always say that I get sore constantly.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Like by the way, Angelina Jolie did an interview with
this and she said the same thing, that she was
so mean to who she was as this badass young girl,
and now she's trying to find her again, you.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Know, like, oh I love young girl.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I mean for me, I'm like, I'm constantly like and
I think this is maybe early on, I was always
that gay kid like with crazy big hair glasses, like
I just didn't have that. So I'm always like how
do I And even when I got campin canceled like
two times, yeah, girl, phone canceled like want to have yeah, Yeah,
(26:06):
I got canceled. I got canceled with I interviewed Vice
President Kama Harris, and then it was this whole big
thing and then I got canceled this time around yes,
and then I got canceled. Yeah. Yeah, when I back
in the early best few days where I may have
made some three E then bisexual jokes.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
Else, you've.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Like a support group you should be like.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
But I try to lean into, like how do I
not be afraid of just because I'm always kind and
I'm always like, look, if you meet me in person,
I'm going to be the nicest person and I want
to understand and I want to make you feel safe.
But at the same time, like I'm a little mischievous.
I'm a little trolley Like I like to poke a
little a little joke and see like when I make
fun of the zodiac signs, you know what I mean.
And it's like that. But I don't want to lose
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that because you know, you look at people like Cardi
B right, and Cardi B. You're like said, she never
stopped being herself, and Cardi can say Cardi can talk
about politics, and I'm like listening to what Cardi is saying.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
You know what I mean, Like she's been doing that
from when she was on that show like yeah, and
I've been listening because it's smart, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
On the right side. People like she's gonna walk them
like a dog. And I believe her, you know what
I mean, Like, I'm like CARDI, yes, please, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I always send you Virgo stuff.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I know you do.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I love it?
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Do you I'm in aries.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Do you gonna maybe?
Speaker 6 (27:37):
I feel like in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Maybe in her head and then she fights.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
No, I'm really like mono. I'm pretty monotonous in my mood,
to be honest, I'm not like I get in my
why fight, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
There's some.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Way to do this because I'll be like like, because
I'm like, we need to be upset about this thing.
This thing is, yes, and he'll be like, is it
really that important?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
We're all dying. I'm like, if you want to make
this thing better, like we need to get a little
I do always thank you for it, because I'm like,
my brain doesn't do that. My brain doesn't do like.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
But then I also need to pick and choose my battles,
you know, be so reactive.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
But my thing is I carry a lot of the
immigrant mentality right of like be quiet, sit down, don't
ask anything, be happy to be in the room. Yes,
and so there's a lot of times where yes, I'm
easy to work with, but at the same time, I
forget that I should be speaking up for myself. So
I do always think my I'm like, thank you for
bringing that up and thank you for this, because it
just doesn't occur that there's no dings in my in
(28:45):
my brain like this is bad. I'm like, I don't
give a ship. Just send me the check and I'll
be back later. I really don't care, like where do I, But.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I wanted to ask, like, you know, on the topic
of maybe I don't. I don't really think it's like
losing ourselves or that that past version of our of ourselves,
but it's it's like finding her again.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
But it is losing a little, yes, And I'm way
older than y'all. So I'm in a moment.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
My contract's going to end soon where I'm at, and
I'm I'm going to have to defined or redefine again
who I'm going to be on my own, and I want.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Her, the one that was fearless but with.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Them, I don't know business knowledge or the knowledge that
I've accrued since then too, so but it is a loss.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
It is it does feel like I just am not
accepting of saying that.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Sure yet right, but that has a solution to find too,
like we can find.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Like, but what is that exercise of, like how do
I find? Do I move? Do I move?
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Like do it?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Because the way the other one was is when I
moved to Chicago and then she was there with the
new and you know, having to worry about rent.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I can never afford rent. But like that wasn't a
thing anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
But now that I'm like, like you said, like I'm
more settled, I want to have the things I like,
I like to but like and it's like that is
actually those are shackles.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
That I've made for myself.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I think I need to figure out how to take
away those shackles of like, sorry to be bougie, but.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I like to fly first class.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Now I could not have fun first.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Like I was barely like I remember it used to
go to openings even when we hadn't seen the play
because it was free, cheap wine and cheese and like
go like we were we were those kids. Like I
need some of that energy because I by it is
settling in a way or not selling out but like
whatever I've accepted of this world is like it's it's
fucking with my creativity. I feel like because I have
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so many bosses, you know what I mean, And it's like,
but how do we But then also we want to
eat in parent or whatever, So it's anyway, but I
do I do think there has to be like some
uh like jumpstart that is drastic.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
So yeah, I think that's also just like creatives too,
Like I think people don't really recognize that when you
are creative, and then there's a whole conversation of selling
out or working for capitalists or capitalism and all these things.
You're kind of just like I have to pay bills,
Like it's just.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That's a reality.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
It's a reality. It's like you know, for me, people
were like, you're an influencer, what do you influence? And
I'm like, I predominantly talk about my family and being
Latino and now you know this is before the ZODIACCEP,
but my grandma and stuff like that, like and occasionally
I'll be like watch this movie and or try this
cream for you know, and that's how we I pay
for not only you know, and I know that we
do this too. We talked about it before, like my
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bills and my family's bills. Like because as Latino people too,
Latina people people cut it like it's not about let
me just move forward and grow. It's always like gra
got a senzo and so some money to you know,
help figure it out.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Or because we're.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Childless sitting here right, yeah, and you know my circle
you mentioned them, my dear friends, you know, yes, I
love them. We're all and they're mostly couples and they're
all childless.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
We're all childless. And there's a thing, isn't it interesting?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Like we've come to this era of our lives and
it's like we show have done those markers, but we didn't.
That doesn't mean we don't support our families.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Or we don't have dependent.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
I have dependence even though I have kids, because we're Latin,
you know, like it's other cultures maybe when you're childless,
it's like no burdens or something.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
It's not that not the children. Children are not burdens.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
I mean, that's why we have great skin though. I mean,
that's why we have great skin.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
And this is why I can earlier.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Salmon sperm because I don't have kids and I don't
have to pay for this pocket because on your face, listen,
I've injected I haven't done like fillers.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
But I love a laser. I freaking love a laser.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Like an amazing.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Older than you was, like you could be able to
tell like there's just no way, definite amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I'm not to have a big birthday soon.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
But it's because the salmon sperm and the stem cells,
you know, the ones that like athletes put I.
Speaker 8 (32:59):
Put it on.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I checked my face for the texture. Texture is like
how you can tell age, you know, like you can
just tell.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
And the good thing is that we have different levels
of browness, but we does are brown. Thank our ancestors
for that because I'm you know, I know I said
I'm green at the beginning, don't dare say, but thank.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
You for that, ancestors, because our skin is going to
be I love a skin.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
I'm going to like for sure bother you about that
because I'm getting to that space where and you know,
I've put like a lot of everybody and that listens
to me knows that I put a lot of money
into my the way that I look. Can we tell
them the story about how you went home and you
were talking about something and then they were like, why
can't you be like Curly? What do you remember the
story the part where you went to and you were
(33:52):
talking about maybe a little botox and your family was like,
oh oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, wait what you were talking about botox?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
And your fami was like, I know why age gracefully?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
One of my cousins, yeah, one of my cousins was like,
you know, like she was like visiting me in La
and she was like, yeah, like you know, I just
I don't know, like I would never get botox. I
would never get filler like all this stuff. Like you know,
Curly just looks so natural, it looks so good.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Like he's just aging so well.
Speaker 9 (34:24):
And I was like, I was like, literally, we likes
of a human like you know, in like theater, the
costumes you turned them and said I see.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
She was like she was shocked, but because it's a
modern that and now we were just talking to my
friend Carmen about it before because we were my father,
who's horrible and I don't mind saying that, when he
divorced my mother, he wanted to give her a gift
and he was like, you need a facelet she was
thirty eight, gave her a faceless as a parting gift
(34:58):
when they divorced WO when he had left her for
the secretary my new show, Familia. It has a lot
to do with that anyway. But and now my mom
she's never gonna hear this was fine.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
But my sister she has the seams from those it nineties,
remember that.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
And now the ship is from here, and like it's
so good now and it's not like this. It's like
but I haven't done any of it. But you don't
need it yet, but I know that by the time
you get there, it'll be whatever thing you know, but
like there, and it's a more natural thing now, like
it's not fillers are going a little bit out of
the thing, and it's about the texture and the whatever,
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you know.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So I think we're in a good era. I can't
believe that this is what I'm talking about. I love
a hobby of hobbies. I've read ninety three books since February.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Wow Wow, or listen to and I've gotten lazers. I
sent my friends the pictures and it's like blood because
I'm very hung and like this last time was sixteen
to inches of salmon'spur and it.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Was like it was like what it was like, So
I love the blood, Like do you look at me?
Speaker 4 (36:10):
You look for those who are listening, please go and
watch this video and just look at her glowing. She
looks so amazing and you're gonna be like, yeah she
literally I'm like, girl, I.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Just like a new show that we're basically in my studio.
We're going to take it out to sell. It's called Familia.
It's like the Familia.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I can't think, like the most basic.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
It's easy to remember that.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
That's and also it's a little subversive because it's Spanish.
It's a Spanish show, and I just gotta get in there,
you know. But it's like, uh, Mexican billionaires and we
never see rich Mexicans on TV except right, and that's
the point of view. And these are just flawed, bigger
than life people.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
That happened to be billionaires. And I but there's also
a class thing.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Obviously, there's my show, so it's you know, there's a
middle class Latinos in it and and uh, working class
Latinus from Boyle Heights, so like it takes place in
La Joya.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
You know there's something there. Yeah, those like.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Palatial estates by the ocean side that there anyway, So
it's that and it's messy as fun because money is messy.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
When you don't have money, it's messy, yeah, And when
you have too much money it's also y.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
And family is always messy, so no matter what culture.
So that's the show and so but it's the process
of development. So I'm like taking it out, but it's
gonna have a lot of the elements of visa.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
But you are not the queerness.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
You also like write famously about love that we talked
about too, yes, And one of the things that we
were talking about before is how you recently are more
coming out as.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I'm ace asexual, okay.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
And so I love that because a lot of people
don't really know about what that means and what that
entails in a lot of different ways. And so as
somebody who's asexual, like, where do you find the inspiration
to write? Because you write about love the theme.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Well, so I'm really interested in the themes of love, romance,
and sex, which are different things, right because love, I
love you and sex are different things. But like, I'm
still super interested in all the stuff I have.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
But it's also always and if you remember via too,
all the relationships.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Were really flawed, and I'm obsessed with the theme of
betrayal in those things cheating or loss or like, because
it's so I'm still interested as themes and all my
stuff has it, but me, the pandemic highlighted this aloneness,
not loneliness that I was like, this feels really right,
(38:44):
you know, like and and I'm still trying to figure
out what that is because you know, we don't have
a lot of models like you're saying we don't have.
I've only met one a sexual couple that I was
able to sit down with. I don't have a lot
of models like to like For.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Those who don't don't know, like, what's so I'm.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Explaining what it means to me because I because it
means different things to different people. It doesn't mean that
I don't feel such sexual things.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I'm uninterested in worrying about another.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Person's pleasure, safety and entertainment and what I mean by that.
It's like, you know, the because sex starts at the
flirting and the text.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Reformative performance you're performing.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I'm kind of people with it.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
I'm so uninterested in like the like that and the like,
even when you're in a couple of you're like, what
do you want for dinner?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Oh, I'm coming back.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
It is such like I don't know if it's a
sage in me that is like, do not own me?
It's a it's a it's a disinterest in that.
Speaker 8 (39:47):
And intimacy.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
M I'm just like, oh, intimacy, I don't it just
started and it is really real, you know, the the
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whole thing, this the social political aspect of even being intimate,
like the whole it's so much work. And like also
I'm I'm disinterested, you know, like I don't like and I.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Have a lot of love in my life, you know,
other people.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
In my life, and and and it's platonic and it's
so good, good and enough.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
It's just as important, if not more, I agree.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
And that's the love part settled.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
The romance is the thing, I guess I a romantic
isn't another way to describe it, you know, but you know,
and then the sex part is the part that I'm like,
I mean, I'll have sex with myself. If you think
that sex some people say that's not sex that I'm
all this.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I've given myself some of the best orgasms that anyone
has ever given me.
Speaker 10 (40:54):
Yeah, I mean I got all the toys, it's just
me and yeah, but what is sex?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Sex is like a social exercise.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
That's the part that I'm like, and all the things
like worrying about you know.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Right way I feel you on that because like super fastic.
When I was having sex, like I started to get
sexually active and at one point I was like, so
what do we do? We just sit here and rub
parts together and that's it, like and it's just back
and forth the motion. It's just doing the same dance.
But it's just weird and when it.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Gets awkward and like, well, I feel like I can
get addictive too, where it's like are you really do
you really love this person?
Speaker 6 (41:43):
Or is it just like.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
The is it cloud advice?
Speaker 10 (41:45):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (41:45):
I like it?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Indation two can get and chasing it and it can
be dangerous because then.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
You you're self worth.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
You start measuring like even just the apps which are
dying now, like measuring yourself agains.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
That's stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
It's toxic.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
When I first started having sex again, by the way,
I hit up Shanty and I was like, I think
I might be a sexual. She's like you are not
asexual like you were not. You are far from it.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
It's a spectrum too, right.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
We kind of had a giggle. Well, I think what
was happening to me is that I was so I
used to be very like into like monogamy, like church monogamy,
like getting married and all that stuff. And then when
I was eighteen, I lost my virginity. I started drinking
and I started sleeping on a lot of different people.
When I went sober, I kind of reverted back to
I only want to have one partner and that partner
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has to be my boyfriend. And then after I got
out of a relationship, I kind of started to explore
what it meant to just interact with people sexually outside
of relationships. But in sepuel I would get a lot
of anxiety. I would be like, I wanted to know
how did I do? Can you send me notes? Can
you tell me was it hot for you? It was?
I okay? And you know, by the way, I always
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tell you its measuring yeah, one hundred. It took one
person in particular to show me how to do it
outside of it, and I always tell them I'm like,
thank you for taking the time, because I really nobody.
By the way, people don't also in the interact, don't
do that for each other.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
They they don't know. Actually, yeah, nobody knows. Nobody knows.
There's a lot of yeah. And also I do think
Hollywood leads us a strength and porn and all the other.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Well porn is really toxic for that, but also Hollywood
the you know what, I hate the push against.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
The wall and you got to go home. I never
wanted to do that, be that.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I wanted to do the actual It's it's awkward sometimes
and it's like lose the condom inside or the.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Whatever whatever whatever it is will smell. Sorry I haven't smell.
Sometimes you have to just ignore there's a hole. But
also I want to say I'm not like this bitter whatever.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
I if my friends that, if that's what they want,
and I want that for them. You know, same thing
with kids, like some people really really want the kids.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
I want that for you. It's whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Also, we're so stuck with monogamy as a model, but
like there's polyamory too, and we don't because we coming
for Catholic, Like I don't think we've explored it enough
to And a sexuality and a lot of that circle
of friends didn't believe me when I first came out. Well,
I was coming out as I was realizing it, so
I didn't have all the words. I still don't because
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it's a it's not a weird, but like it's I
don't know what this is.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
I'm just describing what i'm feeling, you know.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
They're like, no, I'm trying to have it feels yeah,
it feels right, and it's still lgbtq A there it is.
It is still like there, you know, but like and
then a lot of people were like, maybe your hormones
are changing or something.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Whatever it is, it's real.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
It's not just like me just because I tranquil, I
feel calm that it feels right to me.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
That's when when I don't have the.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Weaedy weedy like a system and it's like, oh yeah, girl,
I've been waiting.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
I don't want that.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah, I'm waiting waiting about what happened in this country,
so I already I don't need.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, yeah, I'm looking at yourself.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
All day long. I would be cracking uh like the
whole time, like.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
I'm writing at home. So I don't know how fun
it is for Tylers. Without a show, it's like, and
I do tell I take tire. You know, if we
had a show, we'd.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Be doing this and this and that.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
But without a show, it's such a it's so boring,
sorry Tyler that I'm just at home writing.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
And then I'm like, can you bring me a copy
of the You know I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
Bother you again about context. You're just so fucking funny.
You just love me, know, I love you so much,
but also like, you're so funny.
Speaker 6 (45:47):
Got a kid, Yeah, we're gonna cast you something.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
We also have a show it's called Super.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
You know what I might be after October with my
contract is I might need a job.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Can I can I pitch you what I've been thinking? Yeah,
cake sitting for only fans Cake Citty, Yes, Cait, So
this is how I would do it. Okay, you can
google cake sitting.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
And so, because I'm big, I'm going to just lean
into that and do like big.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Frelly underwear frelly like with Orlan.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
How do you say in the back the kids the
little uffels, thank you ruffles like you know, and we're
only going to shoot from here.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
I make the cake. I don't want to make cake
film the cake process and.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Then the sitting, and then I can sell the pepties too,
But you charge for slow mo everything I need.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
If they want a SMR, like, we can all about with.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
All the and then like I have a yeah, I
mean we couldn't. This doesn't work out for us.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
We know, Yeah, I'm I'm in it because my feet
are like chubby, They're not that cute.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
And I was like, I don't want to my face
cake sitting. If it's a whole esthetic, you know, then
we could go. I would love to. I'm just saying
I'm pitching.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
About that.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
It's about the cake. That's the verse.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Was sitting on the flat Perry boot either, like, let's
you look at tattoo.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
It's not that flat, guys listeners, by the way, it's well,
this is their hot take jar hot takes. But you
famously do you did the voice for Syrie and Spanish right.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
No, No, you can't do it. I did GM, so like.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
When you know, like for Mexico Walgreens for ten years
and Special Cave for ten years.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
Wow, can you do the GM voice when you read
what's on one of these papers?
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Let's hear if I remember Okay, so these are our
hot take hot tags, whatever you get.
Speaker 6 (47:58):
Yeah, what's your hot take?
Speaker 11 (48:01):
It's very short breakups, breakups, breakups if I did it
with because I was the Walgreens voice of and so
when you would go into the store or the commercials
and that was hard sell back when I used to
do it, and it was like it's.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
That the money, Well, greast, can you do the Disney?
Can you do the Disney lamb?
Speaker 3 (48:26):
You know, I haven't been to this since I was
a kid, even though but I was also special k
and that's different in Spanish, always done special ks breakups.
Speaker 6 (48:40):
Whoa?
Speaker 1 (48:41):
So, now what's your hot take about breakups? Breakups? Oh?
Speaker 3 (48:44):
So I this year I had some friend breakups okay,
ye that are very monumental for me and all they
all happened right around the fires or after the fires.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Like the week, and I think they're necessary and sometimes
are more devastating than romantic.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Absolutely, like for me, the way I hold space for
friends in my life, it's a bit you know. So
uh yeah, it's and there's not enough like we don't
talk about that self care that has to happen when
you break up because sometimes a whole the rug gets
pulled out and you're like, wait, no, I don't have
that person to share.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
And it's so common and we're so focused on love
and romance is the most important thing that we have
no tools on how to get through a friend breakup.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
Because yeah, yeah, yes has a really beautiful poem that
I was quote and it's about that, and she just
writes about like where is the literature and the poems
about losing your best friend? And she would say, like
the one that you imagine growing old with with no
men around you. She tried, but I'm like, girl, fire sign.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
No, no, here's the thing. No, no, no, we're going
to bring it back.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
I said I needed space, and you freaked out.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
That why I didn't freak out. I was just like,
I cannot believe that.
Speaker 6 (50:03):
You like, I just need like some time to like well.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Because I don't know the way that I handle all
my friends. And just like I'm like, and I was
just saying my dad about this too. Once you're locked
in and we are together, we are I love you.
That's it. Like, there's not much that can very. I've
had the same five ter's eight years old. We're called
the yups, right, I think I've talked to you about
them before, and one thing that we talked we learned
with each other early on, was like, no matter how
(50:28):
hard we find, I'll see you at school tomorrow and
I'll still love you tomorrow. Like I don't know what
the fuck you're talking about. I'll talk to you later.
And it's not that we brush it under, but it's
like we can discuss it, and we can. But I'm
never going to stop loving you. So why am I
going to waste time?
Speaker 6 (50:40):
I just I just needed space.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
By the way, that's not what I look that's not
what the combo was.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
I the people I broke up with.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
I haven't stopped loving them, but they are shunned out
of my life because that I.
Speaker 4 (50:57):
Sis.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
I tried to do it to a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
And I did do it.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
That's okay, and but I but when I'm doing it,
it's like that's it.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
It's final, you know. So he knows he's Aquarius.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
He wait around to like but but and then another friend,
some other friends will bring it like bring it back together.
But like I do it to a big I don't
have My family did that to each other, like so
brothers against you know, my dad's and stuff. So I
watch that, which is not a good way to be
to shut people out of your lives like that, you know,
(51:29):
with no conversation. I mean, I do my declaration and
then no conversation anymore. That's not fair to them, but
that's how I do. It's it's cool, it's cruel, and I.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
I just like I was raised by an aquarius, and
I know that's where I get it from. But I
just almost like, don't take it seriously where I'm like,
I love you so much. I know that you love
me so much. I know that this isn't like a
toxicity thing. This is just a disagreement or a miscommunication
or misalignment. But I'm not like treating you poorly. I'm
(52:01):
not like a terrible person. We're just like having this
weird moment and so what if they are.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
So like my oldest friend I thought was being abusive
oldest friend, and I had to shut it down and
be like, I love you, but I don't want to
know you anymore.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
See, but that's different because.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Abusive.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
But it was like the way they talked to me
and stuff, and it was like and I know they
adore me, and I adore them, but it was like
being in each other's life. I don't think it's good.
At least for me, it's not. And I had to
shut it. It was the most painful, the most the
relationship that I have held on to the most, and
it had to come to an end.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
But like I got this. I don't know if it's
like vice or superpower. I don't know what it is.
But I shut it down and it was done.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
What was their sign? Oh?
Speaker 1 (52:55):
What is okay?
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Well a portion of the podcast, what the fuck is
that with virgos?
Speaker 4 (53:04):
Virgos who don't put low vibrating.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Until my most bosses have been virgos.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
Oh cool, wow, three or four of them. And I
feel like if virgos aren't applying their own bullshit, that
they apply it to others onto themselves and they can't.
If you're not going to do enough introspective and enough
thoughts process and how you could be the villain or
how you can be.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
The judgment, the judgment can get toxic, especially if you
have intimacy or like from forever, and you have those
guardrails off of like I've known you since we were.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
You know, then I can say whatever im to you
and that's dangerous sometimes.
Speaker 4 (53:47):
But I'm not like that at all. I'm very yeah,
but I think that that's why. But I think it's
because I I do a lot of like I think
about myself and how do I like to communicate, how
how do I like to be communicated with right and
so to perceived? Yes, and but yes, one hundred. I
look at things and I go on double scorpio.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
I'm double gemini.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah, we're all double So my sun aries, my moon aries,
and my rising pisces. Oh nice, yes, so they're all
in double double signs.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
So you're sad double doud that's why you're free with
the wind bye. Yeah, but that's actually yeah. So who
you are I feel like who you are in private
is who you are in person. I mean in public too,
Like it's the same personality.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
I was saying that.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
I was like, I hope because I saw some friends
from college and I was like, I hope I'm the
same as when.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
You left, like the same like loyalty.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
And the and I do feel I do feel like
I'm still the same, not in a bad way, in
a like authentic way.
Speaker 6 (54:59):
You know, you know, you Mercury and your mark.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
It's all in the chart and when I can look
at pull it up.
Speaker 6 (55:05):
But yeah, it's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
But once I have Curly, you know my best friend
Scorpio moon, I have like three other best friends who
are also Scorpio moons.
Speaker 6 (55:16):
And I'm like, what is it about.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Me that can handle the depths.
Speaker 4 (55:21):
Of the darkness? And that's why you guys like it,
I think.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
But then I can also be like, come here, come
out and love a Scorpio.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
I ran away from the fires with a scorpio, leading
us the best you want to be stuck in the
apocalypse with a scorpio because they're like, this is what
we're gonna do, and yes there's and they're harsh and judgement,
but it's we say, we were in Santa barb Bar
the next thing we knew when the fires are coming back.
So I would my friend Joanne, Joanne that you know,
(55:51):
she's she like, let us two virgos.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
This sad.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
I mean, I'm a good like, yes, let's go and
and here, but but also supportive and like, how do
you know I could lead us there too?
Speaker 1 (56:04):
But she was like, and and this is where we're
going and.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
They accept cats and we're going to and I'm like,
now I know who I would.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Think of those things?
Speaker 3 (56:15):
Now you you will again? Yes, So who do you
want to be in the podcast? What are the signs
you want to be?
Speaker 6 (56:22):
Almost spent it with you?
Speaker 4 (56:25):
Oh yeah, come to my house like I live south.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
Like who do you want to run away with and
be stuck in?
Speaker 4 (56:30):
I think signs for sure and some fire, signs to
burn some ship down. By the way, I learned how
to have sex from a scorpio and that podcast I
put your like here do this and worst cow girl?
How do I? I don't know how to?
Speaker 3 (56:46):
You know?
Speaker 4 (56:46):
And now you know?
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Well we're just about at the end of the episode.
Speaker 6 (56:54):
Now, I mean, it's flown by so much. But I
wanted to also.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
Like one little thing for any latine queer creative who
feels a little uninspired right now, Like, what would you
want them to hear?
Speaker 3 (57:08):
Get those voices out of your head, your mom and
dad who said no, you need to be a doctor,
or you need a real job, or teach whatever that
authority figure that that is sitting here by your ear
and telling you, because we do have extras in our
community than other cultures, get them, punch them, and get
(57:29):
them off. That's that because they never go away. I mean,
I'm here and I'm still like the self doubts are
so big.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
I'm always like.
Speaker 3 (57:37):
People get really you know, like like humility I really value.
But that turns into self doubt too.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
It's those voices. It's my horrible father and it's that
you know that are here.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
They just be brave enough to punch them, even if
there are people you really respect, you know. That's like
I think, because that never leaves you no matter what.
Like I was talking to show her friends today, same
like the same self doubt.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
That we had early on.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
It's those voices, you know, So just punch out those voices,
That's what I would say.
Speaker 6 (58:08):
Gosh, thank you so much. Can we find you on
social media?
Speaker 1 (58:15):
I guess Instagram that is sat.
Speaker 6 (58:20):
Or rotch.
Speaker 4 (58:23):
Thank you for having Thank you so much, and people
find you.
Speaker 2 (58:26):
May you can find me at my moment m A
y A in the moment anywhere you scrolled about you.
Speaker 4 (58:31):
You can find me at the Curly Curly and TikTok.
Thank you so much again for hanging out with.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Us, and thank you for watching and listening to another
episode of Super See Your Bestie Club Podcast we'll see
you next time.
Speaker 4 (58:49):
Is that your cowboy hat over there.
Speaker 5 (58:56):
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Speaker 4 (59:08):
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I know I said I'm green at the don't say.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
If they want ASMR like we did all of that
with all this and.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Then like like a support group.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
You should be like, I wanted to know how did
I do? Can you send me notes? Can you tell me?
Was it hot for you? Was it was? I okay?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
If I tried to make visa now, I wouldn't be
able to nobody would buy it.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
My name is Curly and I'm Maya.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
The Super Secret Bestie Club Podcast, Season four is here
and we're locked in.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
That means more juicy cheese man, terrible love advice.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Evil spells, de cast on your ex.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
We're not doing that this season.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Oh well, this season we're leveling up.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Each episode will feature a special best siet and you're
not gonna want to miss it. So what are you
waiting for? Whoa?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Oh my gosh, how did you get in here?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Whoa?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's excuse me.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
It's tannus ratchown because I'm a green because I just
got my citizenship.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
So let's talk about that. Get in here.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Welcome to another episode of The Super Secret Besty Club Podcast.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
We have not been asking how our spirits are.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
We have this thing that we always say, how's your spirit?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, so we're gonna go around. Well, first of all, wait,
how did you get here?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Number one?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
First of all, because I always tell you whenever I'm
with you, I'm like, you need your own show, and
you need your own like podcast, just a camera on you.
This is like your usual to you, it look amazing.
And then I love how your brain.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Is, like I won my own show.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
But like that, I write, right, let's all manifest for that.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
You're just so much really funny too, Like I just
need you to like have five things that you talk about,
have your little like Q cards go okay, and then
you make your sound effects and then you're like what
do you say? What are you?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
But you just don't know what to say, but you
know what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
And then and then you're like, okay, this week in
in current events. And then you have your sidekake in
the back just laughing and saying whatever. I don't know.
I just have this vision for you. Produce it actually.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Enough to say I wouldn't have anything to say like.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
That.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
You're right now, you're right?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
But how is your spirit? How are you? How's your
spirit today?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
It's it's good today, it's it's really good. I just
had a really intense healing and experience that was really strange.
But then came yesterday. She comes every week to my
house and she cleaned it all out. She's told which
is a northern Mexican tribe and and she's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But it was like I had a really like kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Scary spiritual experience with a healer a healer, and then
came and it was amazing by the way I can
give everyone her info. She just I'm really I'm really
lucky that I found like spiritual health practitioners that are
really like my acupuncturist is amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And then this Correnda too.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
And it's just these women in my life that are
like sort of holding me up and grounding me and
cleaning me.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It's it's I'm in a good spot for that, Like
I have an army. Yeah right now, I.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Feel really like aligned with that as well. I just
got back from the south of France. My mom taught
an art retreat there, so like Mexican folk are in France. Yeah,
with like a bunch of different women who ended up
they kept apologizing because they're like, I'm sorry, I don't
know if anybody is like aware of like woo woo stuff.
(03:39):
But like I've been like seeing your guys's like deceased
loved ones around you, like I'm so sorry, I'm so weird,
and we're.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Like just Tuesday.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Everybody was very psychic.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Everybody was very aligned and attuned. And we were in
this like mountain town where it was like this magical
fountain where you had to go to the fountain to
get the water and it was very healing, like this
lady had like this ear infection and and our host
was like, just put water on it. Put the water
on it. Every day healed, Like I lost because.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
The food I had, the food, but yeah, food, the
lack of preservatives.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yes, And our host was also very spiritual, and she
every single day she could tune to what we were feeling.
And she was like, I'm gonna make this certain soup for.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
You guys today because you guys are fatigued.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I'm going to make this because you guys need energy
and so and But it was a group of women
who had that same vibe where everybody was Yes, it
felt exact, and nobody really it wasn't like a spiritual
type of thing, but like we got past life reading
and yeah, I was like, yes, it was, yes, but
(04:53):
it's the women of it all.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Came together because it was meant to come to.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Oh, I just kind of whack as past life regrets
a few days ago, and she kept talking about me.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
This bad wizard in Roman times. He was your brother.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
He took your eyes and we kept trying to solve
the problem of my eyes.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And I was like, but I don't know what to
do with that.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And I was like, okay, so my brother, and it
was like, hold on, I found you put a jewel
away a long time ago when you were in Atlantis,
and now I'm going to put it in your womb
that you hid this jewel. And I was like, I
love that. I had foresight hundreds and.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Jewel and now you're with this jewel.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So it could be real or this girl could be
you know. But she was like she was like and
she kept touching my.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Food and I was like, but but.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
She put a jewel in there, not in like a
sperit so but and I'm so smart lots of past
lives ago that I hit it, and I'm like, I
didn't ask her where where did.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I put it?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I was gonna say that about you.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I was gonna say, I do want to like let
our listeners know who we have here today, though, right
we have? So I think this was like a little
bit of like a we like to see what tab
says about our guests? Times?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
How much water? Just kidding me?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Do you know what's funny is that I also have
kat how much? What other things are equally as terrible
as you? Like? How what other things are terrible? And
She's like, girl, if your shoes have red dye in it,
it's terrible. If you use Amazon, it's terrible, like all
these other things that I.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Don't.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yeah, but I'm just gonna skim lightly through the one
what about you? Denis is a playwright and television writer
best known as to Create a showrunner and executive producer
stars critically acclaimed series Be That, which by the way,
earned one rating on Rotten Tomatoes, which also, by the way,
is so did Fleeback and Breaking Back. So it's in
(06:52):
great company all three seasons, yes, wow, all three seasons
across all three seasons broke round with an all Latine
and all Latina directors and writers' rooms. Or you also
allowed me to be in my very first and so
our only writers room. This Latina Battie is developing multiple
TV projects and adapting her off Broadway play Mala Yereba
(07:14):
for her feature film directorial debut. You co found it,
and then it goes into like all the different things
that you do, like co founded the United LATINX Project,
the Writer's Access Support staff training program to boost representation
in the media, a lot of awards that you've won.
It's like all over but and you can totally google this,
(07:34):
and I'm sure you've heard your bio of this all
the time. But what I wanted to say in terms
of your intro was that I and I always say
this is your face all the time. I always Saythanya
is about it. Danya has been someone that brings new
beats up with her new actors, new writers, directors. You
famously take chances on people you've had the same circle
of friends around you for a very long time that
you've also grown with and grown together and kind of
(07:57):
looked each other up. And I always say that we
always talk about the different houses that we come from,
and I always say I'm very happy to come from
the house of because so many of us were born
from your art and so thank you for coming to
be here.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
With uh you tell me that, which is likely.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I mean you put us in your show also, which
was every still to this day before like I saw
you and be there, I'm.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Like, yeah, yeah, comment.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I know we made you sing a funky that was
part of but I know, but that was anything for
you that nobody was part of that karaoke experience.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
If you if you sounded really good, it would you know,
But I mean you did sound.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Really good, but you actually you were. It was perfect.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It was funny because somebody was like I forgot who
was one of the writers, was like, you played the
perfect drunk character. Oh my gosh, it was perfect. I
was like, I wasn't.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
But thank you method acting.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Because even when you made the mistake, it was so cute,
like it was perfect.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
That's why let's do that song.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
So it was.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I mean, you have like made it. I mean, you've
given us so much, like the community so much, and
you've done so much, and we're so honored to have today.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
A lot of people always talk about the gatekeepers in
the community who like have access to shows and have
access to media and things that you know, a lot
of up and coming. People just don't where do we begin, right,
Like my family used to clean houses, and where do
you start? And I think that you've always been about it,
like since day one, Like I know that you will
find people on social media and be like can you
(09:32):
come and hang out and write with us and do that?
And so I always think that, like more people should
be like you, and I've.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Always been like, yes, that is something that I feel
like as Internet creators, like you were one of the
first people, the first person actually to pull us creators
into that world and to cross over that to that
world because it just I feel like the entertainment industry
(09:59):
when they see creators now, it's different, right, because it's
they're more integrated represented by me now. Yeah, But back then,
I feel like we were in a spot where we
could only be on the Internet, and yet we were
gaining like a bunch of the viewers that matched some
of these other shows, you know, and yet we still
(10:20):
weren't good enough to be in these shows or to
even have a part, or to even be a part
of the writer's room. And you like.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Because the talent was there and you were already doing
it and it was.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Sort of already the vibe of Via, which was you
know it already, was that I wanted to say something
about like about VI that and when we did it,
and you keep saying back then, back then, and it
does feel like back then. I get told and this
is a sad thing for me. I get told so
much that if I tried to make Via now, I
(10:52):
wouldn't be able to. Nobody would buy it, nobody would
find like they it wouldn't And because identity, have you noticed,
there's nothing.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Nothing saw need it, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Moment that we're in is like, yeah, this crazy moment.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
In fact, like one of the I was gonna make
this other show that was very similar to be them
but with and one of the things they told me
they were like, we are not h programming for the coasts.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
You know, yes, yes, and.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Can you Trojan horse the queerness I may be that
They were like, you don't have to put in the
first episode what like half it is like half of these.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Characters are queer.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Qu're in a very specific way that when we cast
it will be authentic and stuff, And there's saying that's
not the moment not you know, and so like and
when I when I go out and try to sell
stuff like that was so about the feelings, like not
big plot things happened.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
There were no big said people. Well maybe like there
was like or something, But it was about the feelings.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Right, It was about the the two sisters and the
and the world around them. It wasn't like dragons, you know.
But now they were like, you couldn't make a niche.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Show like that just letting Latini Latini characters exist, which
we don't get. We're not allot so we have to
be selling drugs, We have to be like writing dragons.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Or something like you they don't even let us write dragons.
But but like like it's not so right now it
feels like this this deficit of what because we're can you.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Think of a Latina show right now that it's like
nothing followed Posts or Viva.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Nothing followed those two shows for queer Latin representation.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
That beautifully illustrated too, and like that beautifully made, Like
you know, I remember somebody saying that Viva was like
the Vanity Fair of Latino content during that time, like
just the beauty of it and the quality of it,
the storytelling. And so you're right, like what kind of
came because.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's cable too.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
There's never been a cable Latina show except a long
time ago before cable was cable. There was a Resurrection
Boulevard before your time black in the day you were children.
But I was was even this country, Yes I was.
But but they don't let us have cable shows because that's.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
More prestige, that's more money.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Because like the reason V that looked so good because
stars gave us the money to color it, to get
good cinematographers.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It was like cinematic.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
But now, I mean, so I've wore this today for
you because I got this on the set.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Did you that did you? Were you able to take
care or did you buy it?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
I bought it at the end, you know, people, Yes,
I bought it at the end. And there was just
some options that were put in for my character, and
you know, we address it was so much fun.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I like when you were the not the priest, but
when you did the yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, yeah, I told this. They always bragged that, like
I remember that one of my photos was on the
inspiration board early on, and I'm like, you know, I
always like will brag about it, even just like Dona's
character I'm like, we were very similar. I'm like, I
love it, like I for ever just hold on to
that little piece of you know, history.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And I found Dona from watching him in a play,
And I found Sad from watching them in a play.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Too, Like I love that.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
And I watched your your stuff online too, So it's
like I love and that's I think that's why it
felt so real, because it was like people the talent.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
We have the talent.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
You have the talent, your storytellers, but they don't, like
you said, the gatekeepers don't let.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Us, don't let us come in, and they're.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Not letting me.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
But I mean, if you think about it, like you know,
Dona came from you, So all right, Dona now has
a new movie with Jlo coming out, I.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Know, okay, conical. Yeah yeah, Spider, can we talk about
Dona skin later?
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Oh beautiful? Absolutely, he's gorgeous. You know. Nish is shooting
a show in Canada right now with Zachary Quinto, Like
medi's a movie star, Like is on the.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Show, Like, yeah, he's right now. He was just texting
me while we were parking. He's doing this acting like
class thing at Circle in the Square.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
It's a really prestigious thing in New York.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And he just ran into Jonathan Groff right now and
they and uh, and it was like he was just
texting me, I love that kid.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
That kid, I want to write him. I just write
such female centric so I just want to I want
to be.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
In his car, right.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I was just telling Tyler about it. Yeah, he was homeless.
He was living in his car for five months before Vina.
He was showering at the gym and then he came
and blew us away. It's so funny about because Godlos,
because Carmen Kuba, so I had a Latina casting director.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
There's not a lot of them, but it mattered.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Because she also looked for people, like like when we
found a lot a lot of people, she was not
looking at just just acting, you know, circles. But Gordlos
I didn't see it at first when they showed me
his tape, because he sent a tape and it was
like he was in the back in a hotel room.
The light was bad, and I was like, I watched
(15:59):
it all was like, no, not him for and Carmen
was like, see it again, I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
He was wearing a pink shirt.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I was like, that's not Johnny, like no, and she
still brought him in physically.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
She was like she didn't tell me.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
She was like, well, let's call back some people and
she put got it and I hadn't seen it. Like
he he did a really bad like he knows this story,
like a really bad like he was like in the corner.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
It was really bad. Everybody else had like the lie.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
And he came in the and it was him and
it was godman, who like, you're not I know who
it is. You know, it's amazing because it would have
been not him. And then the way she did it too.
She she turns on the camera and she asked you questions,
so you're just answering personal questions. And that's when he
told us. He was like, I'm living out of my
car and stuff, and I was like, we have to.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
You know what's so brilliant about him.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
He he got into Station nineteen, that Shonda Ryan show
and stuff, and so he did really well and he.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
He's doing really well. He bought his mama house, so
from being home, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And you're like, oh, I love that, and to be
part of that journey I mean the beginning part of
that journey. He's done it all himself, you know, and
his talent did it even if I couldn't see it
at first, you know, because he.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Needs to get a light but get a light, yeah,
because I couldn't see it, but Carmen knew.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
But damn. But that goes back to the point of
just like how many people are affected by your ripple, right,
and how we see that just by you opening doors
for us, Like we don't really see that, But I
do want to go back a little bit to the beginning.
How you grew up like in a border town, right.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I grew up in a bordertown.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
That's that was my where I landed in the US,
but I'm from And then we moved all around Mexico
because my dad was in customs, so border stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But he was like that he would be the head
of that obviously.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
We we lived in Biking, which is bordered with Belize
or the north, you know by Texas. So that's how
we ended up in Texas. And then we we had
a weekend house in the American side and we just
kept coming until we kind of just stayed. So I
was undocumented when we when I started, But it was
(18:18):
it's so weird because in the nineties being a border,
like it was more porous, like sometimes we would not
even have our passports and we would be allowed.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
That could never happen. Now it's like militaries zon on
the border.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
But it was so it was it was different.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, And so they enrolled me in school. They gave
me a social Security number.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
It said not available for employment. But now it's so
it's just so it's just so different. So it was
like an easy but I was still undocumented, you know
when when I came, but in a in a weird
because the border was so poorous, it didn't feel like
some of the crossing stories that are now. And then
because I'm privileged, my father was able to help us
(18:59):
pay for a lawyer, and then I got my Green card,
you know, easily, So I always have to remember it's
like I'm very privileged.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
But but yeah, so like it was McCallum, Texas is
where where we landed, which is where a lot of
stuff is.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Going down, a lot of Yeah, and my family still
lives there. And then I went to school in Boston
University to study theater action.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I still use it to pitch and stuff like still
but but but yeah, So then theater I went to
and then I moved to Chicago, which is my I love.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I love that city.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Uh, and I spent like sixteen years of doing theater
and sort of getting my like it. I started a
theater company called Dia Theater Company. It was the only
one of its kind.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I and we nobody knew like what we were doing. Like,
nobody taught me.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
How to run a non for profit, but I was
running around for profit. Nobody taught me how to write place, and.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I was writing.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I was like, well, we can't afford royalties, so I'll
write the place or we will write the place together.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So it was like it was a really cool space
where no one was telling me no. So we were like,
let's write a comedy about abortion.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
There was no definitely no men telling us no, but
also no and we were all like because I was
twenty one when I started.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
The thing, so we were just doing the thing.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
And then so I arrived and then I started getting
you know, I became a real playwright when people started
giving me commissions and then awards and stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And then I came to write for.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
TV but I think because I was cocooned by those
women and the not telling me no, I arrived with
like no is not a thing I want to hear.
So I have a problem with that now too, because
TV is a lot about like getting notes and sometimes
I'm resistant.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Was like, I know what I'm trying to say, don't
tell me. Yeah, So like right now.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I think that's I'm still that kid who started the
theater company. That can't be because there's so many.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I'll walk away.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It's just not a good way to eat. But I
do look away.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
When I was in Chicago, a lot of people were like,
you're friends with like she's a legend out here, and
I'm like, yeah, I think I told you that that.
When I came back, people were like like people were seriously, like,
you know, they were theater kids here. I went to
like a theater show and people were just so, you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
The most I love the theater comediy in Chicago. It's
like it is the heart of the theater. Oh that's
where have you heard a step Wolve? No, that's John
Malkovich is and that they did august A, Like it's
one of the most famous theater companies in the world.
But also it started in a in a church in Chicago,
(22:05):
you know, and a lot of them are like that.
David Swimmer has something a company looking at so like
I moved so I could start a theater company because
it's possible because it's it's very it's cheap to live there,
and then you could rent a space and make a
theater out of it.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And people come.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
But it's not just your friends like here, it's like
your manager and your friends like, but they have the
culture of going to theater, like cops and bus drivers
and whatever, like they will just come see theater because
it's good, you know. That's why we were able to
the other was able to do really well because people
were like, oh, those the girls are doing some comedy
(22:41):
body works, let's go, you know.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
But like so brave though, but.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
We didn't know because we were like dumb kids. But
I'm glad we didn't. I'm glad I didn't know what
to tell people.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Like when you're young, like shoot your shot, shoot your.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
It's like the being naive where you're just like you
don't know, I'm just gonna do it. And then I
feel like that's why I feel like I'm getting a
little bit like older, where I'm like a little more
afraid to take yeah, those risks because we've reached a
level of like different levels of success and you're like
can I replicate that?
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Or I need to shoot bigger?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And then I'm like, dang, I wish I had like
the gusto that I used to have, like where I
was like, I don't care, I'm just gonna upload this video.
Now I'm like, well, what is it?
Speaker 6 (23:25):
What's jen Z gonna say about it?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah? I feel like for me, it's not so much
that I'm afraid. I just don't have the same like
cohones almost Like I remember I used to literally eighteen
years old, banging on David la Chappelle's door and being
like can I please work here? And they're like no,
and they're like I would come back, just come back.
And I always tell people like when you're eighteen or
you're in your early twenties, like and you're knocking on
(23:48):
someone's and you're like, can I please work for you,
it's not as jarring like you're like, oh, this young kid,
like look at him, they look at them, look at
her like they want a chance. But when you're my age,
and you're like, can I work here? It's a little
like who is this growing?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
You have a reputation now and then sometimes that has
weight and it holds. I'm just saying you in general,
you know, back my writing is so constricted now because
it has so many no but they made me read
from I wrote this play about It's called Our Lady
of the Underpass, one of my first commissions for the
Goodmin Theater, and it was because as sault Stain that
(24:20):
looked just like the Virgin of Wa Lupe appeared under
the Fullerton Avenue overpass, and I went with a recorder
they used to be a recorders back then, two thousand
and five, and the pope had just died the night before,
so Polish immigrants and Mexican immigrants came and set up
like a cathedral, and they thought that she appeared because
the pope had died. So I was interviewing people, and
(24:41):
I wrote a monologue play about just what they said,
almost forbad him. There was like racist people there, homophobic
people there, like it was like an amazing way to
be like.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
This is Chicago in two thousand and five, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
So then I did and I reread it the other day.
They made me reread it for a documentary about Chicago.
I had to read some of the monologs and I
was like.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
This is fucking good. Wait, I don't write like that.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
It was like fearless, like bad syntax whatever, like whatever,
whatever flaws.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But it was in a way that now it's more curated.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
And it was you, it was me it's almost three
and being like yeah, and I don't know where she is,
like I'm chasing.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
It that.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I know.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I always say that I get sore constantly.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Like by the way, Angelina Jolie did an interview with
this and she said the same thing, that she was
so mean to who she was as this badass young girl,
and now she's trying to find her again, you.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Know, like, oh I love young girl.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I mean for me, I'm like, I'm constantly like and
I think this is maybe early on, I was always
that gay kid like with crazy big hair glasses, like
I just didn't have that. So I'm always like how
do I And even when I got campin canceled like
two times, yeah, girl, phone canceled like want to have yeah, Yeah,
(26:06):
I got canceled. I got canceled with I interviewed Vice
President Kama Harris, and then it was this whole big
thing and then I got canceled this time around yes,
and then I got canceled. Yeah. Yeah, when I back
in the early best few days where I may have
made some three E then bisexual jokes.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
Else, you've.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Like a support group you should be like.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
But I try to lean into, like how do I
not be afraid of just because I'm always kind and
I'm always like, look, if you meet me in person,
I'm going to be the nicest person and I want
to understand and I want to make you feel safe.
But at the same time, like I'm a little mischievous.
I'm a little trolley Like I like to poke a
little a little joke and see like when I make
fun of the zodiac signs, you know what I mean.
And it's like that. But I don't want to lose
(26:54):
that because you know, you look at people like Cardi
B right, and Cardi B. You're like said, she never
stopped being herself, and Cardi can say Cardi can talk
about politics, and I'm like listening to what Cardi is saying.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
You know what I mean, Like she's been doing that
from when she was on that show like yeah, and
I've been listening because it's smart, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
On the right side. People like she's gonna walk them
like a dog. And I believe her, you know what
I mean, Like, I'm like CARDI, yes, please, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I always send you Virgo stuff.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I know you do.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I love it?
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Do you I'm in aries.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Do you gonna maybe?
Speaker 6 (27:37):
I feel like in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Maybe in her head and then she fights.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
No, I'm really like mono. I'm pretty monotonous in my mood,
to be honest, I'm not like I get in my
why fight, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
There's some.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Way to do this because I'll be like like, because
I'm like, we need to be upset about this thing.
This thing is, yes, and he'll be like, is it
really that important?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
We're all dying. I'm like, if you want to make
this thing better, like we need to get a little
I do always thank you for it, because I'm like,
my brain doesn't do that. My brain doesn't do like.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
But then I also need to pick and choose my battles,
you know, be so reactive.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
But my thing is I carry a lot of the
immigrant mentality right of like be quiet, sit down, don't
ask anything, be happy to be in the room. Yes,
and so there's a lot of times where yes, I'm
easy to work with, but at the same time, I
forget that I should be speaking up for myself. So
I do always think my I'm like, thank you for
bringing that up and thank you for this, because it
just doesn't occur that there's no dings in my in
(28:45):
my brain like this is bad. I'm like, I don't
give a ship. Just send me the check and I'll
be back later. I really don't care, like where do I, But.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I wanted to ask, like, you know, on the topic
of maybe I don't. I don't really think it's like
losing ourselves or that that past version of our of ourselves,
but it's it's like finding her again.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
But it is losing a little, yes, And I'm way
older than y'all. So I'm in a moment.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
My contract's going to end soon where I'm at, and
I'm I'm going to have to defined or redefine again
who I'm going to be on my own, and I want.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Her, the one that was fearless but with.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Them, I don't know business knowledge or the knowledge that
I've accrued since then too, so but it is a loss.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
It is it does feel like I just am not
accepting of saying that.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Sure yet right, but that has a solution to find too,
like we can find.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Like, but what is that exercise of, like how do
I find? Do I move? Do I move?
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Like do it?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Because the way the other one was is when I
moved to Chicago and then she was there with the
new and you know, having to worry about rent.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I can never afford rent. But like that wasn't a
thing anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
But now that I'm like, like you said, like I'm
more settled, I want to have the things I like,
I like to but like and it's like that is
actually those are shackles.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
That I've made for myself.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I think I need to figure out how to take
away those shackles of like, sorry to be bougie, but.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I like to fly first class.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Now I could not have fun first.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Like I was barely like I remember it used to
go to openings even when we hadn't seen the play
because it was free, cheap wine and cheese and like
go like we were we were those kids. Like I
need some of that energy because I by it is
settling in a way or not selling out but like
whatever I've accepted of this world is like it's it's
fucking with my creativity. I feel like because I have
(30:39):
so many bosses, you know what I mean, And it's like,
but how do we But then also we want to
eat in parent or whatever, So it's anyway, but I
do I do think there has to be like some
uh like jumpstart that is drastic.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
So yeah, I think that's also just like creatives too,
Like I think people don't really recognize that when you
are creative, and then there's a whole conversation of selling
out or working for capitalists or capitalism and all these things.
You're kind of just like I have to pay bills,
Like it's just.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That's a reality.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
It's a reality. It's like you know, for me, people
were like, you're an influencer, what do you influence? And
I'm like, I predominantly talk about my family and being
Latino and now you know this is before the ZODIACCEP,
but my grandma and stuff like that, like and occasionally
I'll be like watch this movie and or try this
cream for you know, and that's how we I pay
for not only you know, and I know that we
do this too. We talked about it before, like my
(31:30):
bills and my family's bills. Like because as Latino people too,
Latina people people cut it like it's not about let
me just move forward and grow. It's always like gra
got a senzo and so some money to you know,
help figure it out.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Or because we're.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Childless sitting here right, yeah, and you know my circle
you mentioned them, my dear friends, you know, yes, I
love them. We're all and they're mostly couples and they're
all childless.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
We're all childless. And there's a thing, isn't it interesting?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Like we've come to this era of our lives and
it's like we show have done those markers, but we didn't.
That doesn't mean we don't support our families.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Or we don't have dependent.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
I have dependence even though I have kids, because we're Latin,
you know, like it's other cultures maybe when you're childless,
it's like no burdens or something.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
It's not that not the children. Children are not burdens.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
I mean, that's why we have great skin though. I mean,
that's why we have great skin.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
And this is why I can earlier.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Salmon sperm because I don't have kids and I don't
have to pay for this pocket because on your face, listen,
I've injected I haven't done like fillers.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
But I love a laser. I freaking love a laser.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Like an amazing.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Older than you was, like you could be able to
tell like there's just no way, definite amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I'm not to have a big birthday soon.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
But it's because the salmon sperm and the stem cells,
you know, the ones that like athletes put I.
Speaker 8 (32:59):
Put it on.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I checked my face for the texture. Texture is like
how you can tell age, you know, like you can
just tell.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
And the good thing is that we have different levels
of browness, but we does are brown. Thank our ancestors
for that because I'm you know, I know I said
I'm green at the beginning, don't dare say, but thank.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
You for that, ancestors, because our skin is going to
be I love a skin.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
I'm going to like for sure bother you about that
because I'm getting to that space where and you know,
I've put like a lot of everybody and that listens
to me knows that I put a lot of money
into my the way that I look. Can we tell
them the story about how you went home and you
were talking about something and then they were like, why
can't you be like Curly? What do you remember the
story the part where you went to and you were
(33:52):
talking about maybe a little botox and your family was like,
oh oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, wait what you were talking about botox?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
And your fami was like, I know why age gracefully?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
One of my cousins, yeah, one of my cousins was like,
you know, like she was like visiting me in La
and she was like, yeah, like you know, I just
I don't know, like I would never get botox. I
would never get filler like all this stuff. Like you know,
Curly just looks so natural, it looks so good.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Like he's just aging so well.
Speaker 9 (34:24):
And I was like, I was like, literally, we likes
of a human like you know, in like theater, the
costumes you turned them and said I see.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
She was like she was shocked, but because it's a
modern that and now we were just talking to my
friend Carmen about it before because we were my father,
who's horrible and I don't mind saying that, when he
divorced my mother, he wanted to give her a gift
and he was like, you need a facelet she was
thirty eight, gave her a faceless as a parting gift
(34:58):
when they divorced WO when he had left her for
the secretary my new show, Familia. It has a lot
to do with that anyway. But and now my mom
she's never gonna hear this was fine.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
But my sister she has the seams from those it nineties,
remember that.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
And now the ship is from here, and like it's
so good now and it's not like this. It's like
but I haven't done any of it. But you don't
need it yet, but I know that by the time
you get there, it'll be whatever thing you know, but
like there, and it's a more natural thing now, like
it's not fillers are going a little bit out of
the thing, and it's about the texture and the whatever,
(35:37):
you know.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So I think we're in a good era. I can't
believe that this is what I'm talking about. I love
a hobby of hobbies. I've read ninety three books since February.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Wow Wow, or listen to and I've gotten lazers. I
sent my friends the pictures and it's like blood because
I'm very hung and like this last time was sixteen
to inches of salmon'spur and it.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Was like it was like what it was like, So
I love the blood, Like do you look at me?
Speaker 4 (36:10):
You look for those who are listening, please go and
watch this video and just look at her glowing. She
looks so amazing and you're gonna be like, yeah she
literally I'm like, girl, I.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Just like a new show that we're basically in my studio.
We're going to take it out to sell. It's called Familia.
It's like the Familia.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I can't think, like the most basic.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
It's easy to remember that.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
That's and also it's a little subversive because it's Spanish.
It's a Spanish show, and I just gotta get in there,
you know. But it's like, uh, Mexican billionaires and we
never see rich Mexicans on TV except right, and that's
the point of view. And these are just flawed, bigger
than life people.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
That happened to be billionaires. And I but there's also
a class thing.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Obviously, there's my show, so it's you know, there's a
middle class Latinos in it and and uh, working class
Latinus from Boyle Heights, so like it takes place in
La Joya.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
You know there's something there. Yeah, those like.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Palatial estates by the ocean side that there anyway, So
it's that and it's messy as fun because money is messy.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
When you don't have money, it's messy, yeah, And when
you have too much money it's also y.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
And family is always messy, so no matter what culture.
So that's the show and so but it's the process
of development. So I'm like taking it out, but it's
gonna have a lot of the elements of visa.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
But you are not the queerness.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
You also like write famously about love that we talked
about too, yes, And one of the things that we
were talking about before is how you recently are more
coming out as.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I'm ace asexual, okay.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
And so I love that because a lot of people
don't really know about what that means and what that
entails in a lot of different ways. And so as
somebody who's asexual, like, where do you find the inspiration
to write? Because you write about love the theme.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Well, so I'm really interested in the themes of love, romance,
and sex, which are different things, right because love, I
love you and sex are different things. But like, I'm
still super interested in all the stuff I have.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
But it's also always and if you remember via too,
all the relationships.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Were really flawed, and I'm obsessed with the theme of
betrayal in those things cheating or loss or like, because
it's so I'm still interested as themes and all my
stuff has it, but me, the pandemic highlighted this aloneness,
not loneliness that I was like, this feels really right,
(38:44):
you know, like and and I'm still trying to figure
out what that is because you know, we don't have
a lot of models like you're saying we don't have.
I've only met one a sexual couple that I was
able to sit down with. I don't have a lot
of models like to like For.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Those who don't don't know, like, what's so I'm.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Explaining what it means to me because I because it
means different things to different people. It doesn't mean that
I don't feel such sexual things.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I'm uninterested in worrying about another.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Person's pleasure, safety and entertainment and what I mean by that.
It's like, you know, the because sex starts at the
flirting and the text.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Reformative performance you're performing.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I'm kind of people with it.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
I'm so uninterested in like the like that and the like,
even when you're in a couple of you're like, what
do you want for dinner?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Oh, I'm coming back.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
It is such like I don't know if it's a
sage in me that is like, do not own me?
It's a it's a it's a disinterest in that.
Speaker 8 (39:47):
And intimacy.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
M I'm just like, oh, intimacy, I don't it just
started and it is really real, you know, the the
(40:12):
whole thing, this the social political aspect of even being intimate,
like the whole it's so much work. And like also
I'm I'm disinterested, you know, like I don't like and I.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Have a lot of love in my life, you know,
other people.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
In my life, and and and it's platonic and it's
so good, good and enough.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
It's just as important, if not more, I agree.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
And that's the love part settled.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
The romance is the thing, I guess I a romantic
isn't another way to describe it, you know, but you know,
and then the sex part is the part that I'm like,
I mean, I'll have sex with myself. If you think
that sex some people say that's not sex that I'm
all this.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I've given myself some of the best orgasms that anyone
has ever given me.
Speaker 10 (40:54):
Yeah, I mean I got all the toys, it's just
me and yeah, but what is sex?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Sex is like a social exercise.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
That's the part that I'm like, and all the things
like worrying about you know.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Right way I feel you on that because like super fastic.
When I was having sex, like I started to get
sexually active and at one point I was like, so
what do we do? We just sit here and rub
parts together and that's it, like and it's just back
and forth the motion. It's just doing the same dance.
But it's just weird and when it.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Gets awkward and like, well, I feel like I can
get addictive too, where it's like are you really do
you really love this person?
Speaker 6 (41:43):
Or is it just like.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
The is it cloud advice?
Speaker 10 (41:45):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (41:45):
I like it?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Indation two can get and chasing it and it can
be dangerous because then.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
You you're self worth.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
You start measuring like even just the apps which are
dying now, like measuring yourself agains.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
That's stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
It's toxic.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
When I first started having sex again, by the way,
I hit up Shanty and I was like, I think
I might be a sexual. She's like you are not
asexual like you were not. You are far from it.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
It's a spectrum too, right.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
We kind of had a giggle. Well, I think what
was happening to me is that I was so I
used to be very like into like monogamy, like church monogamy,
like getting married and all that stuff. And then when
I was eighteen, I lost my virginity. I started drinking
and I started sleeping on a lot of different people.
When I went sober, I kind of reverted back to
I only want to have one partner and that partner
(42:36):
has to be my boyfriend. And then after I got
out of a relationship, I kind of started to explore
what it meant to just interact with people sexually outside
of relationships. But in sepuel I would get a lot
of anxiety. I would be like, I wanted to know
how did I do? Can you send me notes? Can
you tell me was it hot for you? It was?
I okay? And you know, by the way, I always
(42:58):
tell you its measuring yeah, one hundred. It took one
person in particular to show me how to do it
outside of it, and I always tell them I'm like,
thank you for taking the time, because I really nobody.
By the way, people don't also in the interact, don't
do that for each other.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
They they don't know. Actually, yeah, nobody knows. Nobody knows.
There's a lot of yeah. And also I do think
Hollywood leads us a strength and porn and all the other.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Well porn is really toxic for that, but also Hollywood
the you know what, I hate the push against.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
The wall and you got to go home. I never
wanted to do that, be that.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I wanted to do the actual It's it's awkward sometimes
and it's like lose the condom inside or the.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Whatever whatever whatever it is will smell. Sorry I haven't smell.
Sometimes you have to just ignore there's a hole. But
also I want to say I'm not like this bitter whatever.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
I if my friends that, if that's what they want,
and I want that for them. You know, same thing
with kids, like some people really really want the kids.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
I want that for you. It's whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Also, we're so stuck with monogamy as a model, but
like there's polyamory too, and we don't because we coming
for Catholic, Like I don't think we've explored it enough
to And a sexuality and a lot of that circle
of friends didn't believe me when I first came out. Well,
I was coming out as I was realizing it, so
I didn't have all the words. I still don't because
(44:29):
it's a it's not a weird, but like it's I
don't know what this is.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
I'm just describing what i'm feeling, you know.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
They're like, no, I'm trying to have it feels yeah,
it feels right, and it's still lgbtq A there it is.
It is still like there, you know, but like and
then a lot of people were like, maybe your hormones
are changing or something.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Whatever it is, it's real.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
It's not just like me just because I tranquil, I
feel calm that it feels right to me.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
That's when when I don't have the.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Weaedy weedy like a system and it's like, oh yeah, girl,
I've been waiting.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
I don't want that.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah, I'm waiting waiting about what happened in this country,
so I already I don't need.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, yeah, I'm looking at yourself.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
All day long. I would be cracking uh like the
whole time, like.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
I'm writing at home. So I don't know how fun
it is for Tylers. Without a show, it's like, and
I do tell I take tire. You know, if we
had a show, we'd.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Be doing this and this and that.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
But without a show, it's such a it's so boring,
sorry Tyler that I'm just at home writing.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
And then I'm like, can you bring me a copy
of the You know I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
Bother you again about context. You're just so fucking funny.
You just love me, know, I love you so much,
but also like, you're so funny.
Speaker 6 (45:47):
Got a kid, Yeah, we're gonna cast you something.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
We also have a show it's called Super.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
You know what I might be after October with my
contract is I might need a job.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Can I can I pitch you what I've been thinking? Yeah,
cake sitting for only fans Cake Citty, Yes, Cait, So
this is how I would do it. Okay, you can
google cake sitting.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
And so, because I'm big, I'm going to just lean
into that and do like big.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Frelly underwear frelly like with Orlan.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
How do you say in the back the kids the
little uffels, thank you ruffles like you know, and we're
only going to shoot from here.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
I make the cake. I don't want to make cake
film the cake process and.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Then the sitting, and then I can sell the pepties too,
But you charge for slow mo everything I need.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
If they want a SMR, like, we can all about with.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
All the and then like I have a yeah, I
mean we couldn't. This doesn't work out for us.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
We know, Yeah, I'm I'm in it because my feet
are like chubby, They're not that cute.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
And I was like, I don't want to my face
cake sitting. If it's a whole esthetic, you know, then
we could go. I would love to. I'm just saying
I'm pitching.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
About that.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
It's about the cake. That's the verse.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Was sitting on the flat Perry boot either, like, let's
you look at tattoo.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
It's not that flat, guys listeners, by the way, it's well,
this is their hot take jar hot takes. But you
famously do you did the voice for Syrie and Spanish right.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
No, No, you can't do it. I did GM, so like.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
When you know, like for Mexico Walgreens for ten years
and Special Cave for ten years.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
Wow, can you do the GM voice when you read
what's on one of these papers?
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Let's hear if I remember Okay, so these are our
hot take hot tags, whatever you get.
Speaker 6 (47:58):
Yeah, what's your hot take?
Speaker 11 (48:01):
It's very short breakups, breakups, breakups if I did it
with because I was the Walgreens voice of and so
when you would go into the store or the commercials
and that was hard sell back when I used to
do it, and it was like it's.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
That the money, Well, greast, can you do the Disney?
Can you do the Disney lamb?
Speaker 3 (48:26):
You know, I haven't been to this since I was
a kid, even though but I was also special k
and that's different in Spanish, always done special ks breakups.
Speaker 6 (48:40):
Whoa?
Speaker 1 (48:41):
So, now what's your hot take about breakups? Breakups? Oh?
Speaker 3 (48:44):
So I this year I had some friend breakups okay,
ye that are very monumental for me and all they
all happened right around the fires or after the fires.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Like the week, and I think they're necessary and sometimes
are more devastating than romantic.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Absolutely, like for me, the way I hold space for
friends in my life, it's a bit you know. So
uh yeah, it's and there's not enough like we don't
talk about that self care that has to happen when
you break up because sometimes a whole the rug gets
pulled out and you're like, wait, no, I don't have
that person to share.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
And it's so common and we're so focused on love
and romance is the most important thing that we have
no tools on how to get through a friend breakup.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
Because yeah, yeah, yes has a really beautiful poem that
I was quote and it's about that, and she just
writes about like where is the literature and the poems
about losing your best friend? And she would say, like
the one that you imagine growing old with with no
men around you. She tried, but I'm like, girl, fire sign.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
No, no, here's the thing. No, no, no, we're going
to bring it back.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
I said I needed space, and you freaked out.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
That why I didn't freak out. I was just like,
I cannot believe that.
Speaker 6 (50:03):
You like, I just need like some time to like well.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Because I don't know the way that I handle all
my friends. And just like I'm like, and I was
just saying my dad about this too. Once you're locked
in and we are together, we are I love you.
That's it. Like, there's not much that can very. I've
had the same five ter's eight years old. We're called
the yups, right, I think I've talked to you about
them before, and one thing that we talked we learned
with each other early on, was like, no matter how
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hard we find, I'll see you at school tomorrow and
I'll still love you tomorrow. Like I don't know what
the fuck you're talking about. I'll talk to you later.
And it's not that we brush it under, but it's
like we can discuss it, and we can. But I'm
never going to stop loving you. So why am I
going to waste time?
Speaker 6 (50:40):
I just I just needed space.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
By the way, that's not what I look that's not
what the combo was.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
I the people I broke up with.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
I haven't stopped loving them, but they are shunned out
of my life because that I.
Speaker 4 (50:57):
Sis.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
I tried to do it to a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
And I did do it.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
That's okay, and but I but when I'm doing it,
it's like that's it.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
It's final, you know. So he knows he's Aquarius.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
He wait around to like but but and then another friend,
some other friends will bring it like bring it back together.
But like I do it to a big I don't
have My family did that to each other, like so
brothers against you know, my dad's and stuff. So I
watch that, which is not a good way to be
to shut people out of your lives like that, you know,
(51:29):
with no conversation. I mean, I do my declaration and
then no conversation anymore. That's not fair to them, but
that's how I do. It's it's cool, it's cruel, and I.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
I just like I was raised by an aquarius, and
I know that's where I get it from. But I
just almost like, don't take it seriously where I'm like,
I love you so much. I know that you love
me so much. I know that this isn't like a
toxicity thing. This is just a disagreement or a miscommunication
or misalignment. But I'm not like treating you poorly. I'm
(52:01):
not like a terrible person. We're just like having this
weird moment and so what if they are.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
So like my oldest friend I thought was being abusive
oldest friend, and I had to shut it down and
be like, I love you, but I don't want to
know you anymore.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
See, but that's different because.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Abusive.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
But it was like the way they talked to me
and stuff, and it was like and I know they
adore me, and I adore them, but it was like
being in each other's life. I don't think it's good.
At least for me, it's not. And I had to
shut it. It was the most painful, the most the
relationship that I have held on to the most, and
it had to come to an end.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
But like I got this. I don't know if it's
like vice or superpower. I don't know what it is.
But I shut it down and it was done.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
What was their sign? Oh?
Speaker 1 (52:55):
What is okay?
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Well a portion of the podcast, what the fuck is
that with virgos?
Speaker 4 (53:04):
Virgos who don't put low vibrating.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Until my most bosses have been virgos.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
Oh cool, wow, three or four of them. And I
feel like if virgos aren't applying their own bullshit, that
they apply it to others onto themselves and they can't.
If you're not going to do enough introspective and enough
thoughts process and how you could be the villain or
how you can be.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
The judgment, the judgment can get toxic, especially if you
have intimacy or like from forever, and you have those
guardrails off of like I've known you since we were.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
You know, then I can say whatever im to you
and that's dangerous sometimes.
Speaker 4 (53:47):
But I'm not like that at all. I'm very yeah,
but I think that that's why. But I think it's
because I I do a lot of like I think
about myself and how do I like to communicate, how
how do I like to be communicated with right and
so to perceived? Yes, and but yes, one hundred. I
look at things and I go on double scorpio.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
I'm double gemini.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah, we're all double So my sun aries, my moon aries,
and my rising pisces. Oh nice, yes, so they're all
in double double signs.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
So you're sad double doud that's why you're free with
the wind bye. Yeah, but that's actually yeah. So who
you are I feel like who you are in private
is who you are in person. I mean in public too,
Like it's the same personality.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
I was saying that.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
I was like, I hope because I saw some friends
from college and I was like, I hope I'm the
same as when.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
You left, like the same like loyalty.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
And the and I do feel I do feel like
I'm still the same, not in a bad way, in
a like authentic way.
Speaker 6 (54:59):
You know, you know, you Mercury and your mark.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
It's all in the chart and when I can look
at pull it up.
Speaker 6 (55:05):
But yeah, it's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
But once I have Curly, you know my best friend
Scorpio moon, I have like three other best friends who
are also Scorpio moons.
Speaker 6 (55:16):
And I'm like, what is it about.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Me that can handle the depths.
Speaker 4 (55:21):
Of the darkness? And that's why you guys like it,
I think.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
But then I can also be like, come here, come
out and love a Scorpio.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
I ran away from the fires with a scorpio, leading
us the best you want to be stuck in the
apocalypse with a scorpio because they're like, this is what
we're gonna do, and yes there's and they're harsh and judgement,
but it's we say, we were in Santa barb Bar
the next thing we knew when the fires are coming back.
So I would my friend Joanne, Joanne that you know,
(55:51):
she's she like, let us two virgos.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
This sad.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
I mean, I'm a good like, yes, let's go and
and here, but but also supportive and like, how do
you know I could lead us there too?
Speaker 1 (56:04):
But she was like, and and this is where we're
going and.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
They accept cats and we're going to and I'm like,
now I know who I would.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Think of those things?
Speaker 3 (56:15):
Now you you will again? Yes, So who do you
want to be in the podcast? What are the signs
you want to be?
Speaker 6 (56:22):
Almost spent it with you?
Speaker 4 (56:25):
Oh yeah, come to my house like I live south.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
Like who do you want to run away with and
be stuck in?
Speaker 4 (56:30):
I think signs for sure and some fire, signs to
burn some ship down. By the way, I learned how
to have sex from a scorpio and that podcast I
put your like here do this and worst cow girl?
How do I? I don't know how to?
Speaker 3 (56:46):
You know?
Speaker 4 (56:46):
And now you know?
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Well we're just about at the end of the episode.
Speaker 6 (56:54):
Now, I mean, it's flown by so much. But I
wanted to also.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
Like one little thing for any latine queer creative who
feels a little uninspired right now, Like, what would you
want them to hear?
Speaker 3 (57:08):
Get those voices out of your head, your mom and
dad who said no, you need to be a doctor,
or you need a real job, or teach whatever that
authority figure that that is sitting here by your ear
and telling you, because we do have extras in our
community than other cultures, get them, punch them, and get
(57:29):
them off. That's that because they never go away. I mean,
I'm here and I'm still like the self doubts are
so big.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
I'm always like.
Speaker 3 (57:37):
People get really you know, like like humility I really value.
But that turns into self doubt too.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
It's those voices. It's my horrible father and it's that
you know that are here.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
They just be brave enough to punch them, even if
there are people you really respect, you know. That's like
I think, because that never leaves you no matter what.
Like I was talking to show her friends today, same
like the same self doubt.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
That we had early on.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
It's those voices, you know, So just punch out those voices,
That's what I would say.
Speaker 6 (58:08):
Gosh, thank you so much. Can we find you on
social media?
Speaker 1 (58:15):
I guess Instagram that is sat.
Speaker 6 (58:20):
Or rotch.
Speaker 4 (58:23):
Thank you for having Thank you so much, and people
find you.
Speaker 2 (58:26):
May you can find me at my moment m A
y A in the moment anywhere you scrolled about you.
Speaker 4 (58:31):
You can find me at the Curly Curly and TikTok.
Thank you so much again for hanging out with.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Us, and thank you for watching and listening to another
episode of Super See Your Bestie Club Podcast we'll see
you next time.
Speaker 4 (58:49):
Is that your cowboy hat over there.
Speaker 5 (58:56):
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Speaker 4 (59:08):
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