December 15, 2021 • 27 mins
On this episode Curly and Maya discuss secrets. They tell us if they are chismosas and why.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Okay, wait, so all I know is that she told
me that her ex wifriend was calling her. They're here, Hey,
what are you doing here? You have the rest of
the cheese make get in here. We need to know,
We need to know what happened. My name is Curly
and I'm Maya and welcome to the Super Secret Best
Club Podcast. A super secret club where we talk about
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super secret things, super secret more time. In each episode,
we'll talk about love, friendships, heartbreaks, men, and of course
our favorite secrets. Okay, you little cheese muscles and cheese mussas,
Welcome back. Welcome back to the Super Secret Bestie Club podcast,
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where we discuss all the hottest gossip in Well, I
get a secret for you right now, Curly, and I'm
going to tell it to you live. You smell your
belly button sometimes? I actually do. Who doesn't. It's just
like like checking your temperature. Don't know that I smell
my belly button anymore, but I do smell my balls.
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Do girls smell their vaginas? Yeah, you kind of don't
have to smell it. It just it just comes to you.
The smell to you. It just comes to you. The
truth will always come to you my way or another. Yes,
so we're talking about secrets. Are you a cheese mossa?
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Are you? Are you? I'm a recovering cheese mosa Oh
my god, recovery. You're doing the twelve that you're in
the program? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes listen. I had
like a whole bunch of like girl group friends growing up,
and man, it was some of the worst years of
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my life because we would use gossip as weapons. Oh
my god, black male and very destructive, toxic things, and uh,
it just kind of be came. I mean. Also, being
in the Latino Latino Latino family, it's kind of your
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second language. It's it's a love language in the family
sometimes where like you get home and your mom's like
if you have to look at you know, and you're
like you know, and you're like, oh, I didn't know that,
and sometimes you bond over it, like you know, gossip
can sometimes be a way that a lot of people bond.
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I remember the third grade. I would get bullied and
I was trying to find my place in kind of
like the hierarchy of the third grade. And I remember
being like, oh, I had the gossip, and I called
myself the gossip king. I'm the gossip king. How embarrassing? Seriously, no, seriously,
so embarrassing. But I found that a lot of straight
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kids kind of respected me a little bit because they
were like, wait, what did he say about me? Did
you have big hair? I had really big so it
was secret. I'm much better than adult now. If it's
not my business, I actually don't give a fuck to
be honest. Oh man, I okay. You know it's like
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Regina George, Okay, She's like, I don't send them, I
just get them with chiefemate. It's like people, you know,
I don't go looking for it. They just happened to
feel comfortable to tell me. I literally always help me
with the same thing. I'm like, I have two folders
in my head. I have all about me and everybody
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else is in the other folder, and that everybody else
constantly gets deleted all the time to make more room
for the everything about me folder. But you know, I
you have to use cheesemate for good, right, Like you
cannot use it to hold over people's heads or use
it as blackmail. It's like information, and use that information
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very wisely. Actually read in this book. I think it's
called the sapiens or something like that, and they were
talking about how evolution humans actually used chiefsment or gossip
to kind of warn other people of like stay away
from that person, or you know, for things that have
to deal with life and death, things that were just
like they don't pay you, things that actually really matter,
like chiefeman can save your life in a lot of ways.
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So you think there's there's a thing as like good gossip. Um, yeah,
but here's my thing too. Is it gossip if it's true?
If I'm like that person is actually horrible, that have
some story, I mean yeah, exactly. Like when you see
a news story when you're like, uh, such and such
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as happening in Washington, You're not like that's gossip. You're like,
it's news. I'm like, I'm not gossiping. I'm giving you news.
That person you're saying, we're news reporters and journalists, journalists,
You're welcome. When do you think it can turn bad? Um?
When do I think that gossip? Look, I think gossiping
can turn bad when it's malicious, when there's no purpose
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in it, when you're just spreading news, or you're sta
in the pot, or it's selfish like you want to
get points. Let's say I want to get points with you,
and I'm like, Maya, I just want you to know
that my loyalty to you. And I heard somebody in
the hallway say this about you when you don't even
know the story what's going on with the person in
the hallway, and Maya like, you're disrupting and you're causing
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even more attension when they could sort their ship out themselves,
you know what I mean. Yeah, I had to talk
with my friend the other day and she had told
me like, oh, yeah, I remember I went over to
your house and you warned me about this person. And
I stopped her and I was like, I'm so sorry
that I did that, because I don't want it to
seem like I'm shipped talking at all, um, when it's
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just like telling you about an experience I had with
this person, and I want to make sure that you
don't get taken advantage of from that person. Okay. Also,
I feel bad because I didn't want it to seem
like I think you don't have a strong intuition, or
that you're dumb and that you are easy to get
fooled or whatever. And she is like, no, no, not
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at all, but when someone has done you dirty or
like in the family, when you have family members that
are like mean to you, you kind of have to
be careful because you don't want to seem like it
could backfire on you. Oh my god, absolutely, And here's
the thing to let the thing with gossip, like they
just go overboard, like they want to be the one,
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like the type of friend that calls you's like I
have the chiefs myt like they want to have that credibility.
I get off more on being the person that people
hit up and trust Like that to me makes my
fucking booty hole open up and it's ready, you know
what I mean, because I'm just like, oh, these people
trust me, you know what I do do Sometimes though,
like I'll go into the next room and be like, Maya,
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um so and so said that you're incredible and that
you're the ship, like you're amazing. Isn't that nice? Like oh,
spread like nice energy and nice gossip, because I think
that that's also very nice to be like, oh I'm
not in the room. That's so sweet that people think
that way about When I had told my friend about
a certain experience I had with a person for years
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after that, I swore to like stop talking about that
situation because I was close with this friend and she
didn't really care. But I was like, it doesn't feel
good even though like you're just searching for justice, like
when something bad happens to you, like you want to
warn people, not in the way of changing their perspective
of the other person, but in that like, hey, I
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know we're cut from the same cloth, like just be careful. Yeah.
I also feel like for me sometimes two I'll spread
not cheese me, but I speak up about everybody. And
when I love somebody, I love them when I'm like
I don't know that person a little if sometimes I'm like,
am I tripping or is this person kind of a
little shy sy? To people? Those sshicy people were saying
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in um, they're a little like you know, it's like
shady shicy, And then people were like, oh my god,
yes right, no, you're not the same thing too. It
just but sometimes the reason why I stopped all that
stuff is not that I was like doing it a lot,
and I you know, I was like a gossiper or
like an actual cheese mosa. But it just didn't feel
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good anymore, you know, and it's not like it ever
felt good. It just was like reopening a wound that
you have. But I just wonder, like, why do you
think gossip and chiefs may is such a connector of people,
because sometimes I think you have those well you have
those friends that are like we're only friends because we
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talk about other people. And once I realized that, I'm like,
I don't want to do that, like do we actually
have stuff in common or I actually don't think that
I have friends like that, Like I don't have friends
like that anymore. Yeah, I feel like I'm interested in
talking about you and your life and me and my life,
and its part of that means talking about somebody else
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for a brief moment and sharing within the trauma, Like yeah, absolutely,
Like I don't see that that's a problem, you know. Yeah,
well that's the reason why I say I'm a recovered jeez, Melissa,
because I just don't like, you know, and some of
my family was very much like that to where they
just would talk shit about people and I'm just like,
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why I'm going to change the subject. And it's addictie, right, Yes,
have you ever had a secret that was so juicy
that like you were like, oh, I just want to
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tell somebody, yes, and what do you do? I don't
Or I tell my mom. I tell my mom literally
everything vibes everything my parents too, I tell them everything.
I'm like, look, I just need to tell somebody. Yeah,
And it doesn't really count if it's your parents or
like your sibling or your cousin or your friend or
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or social media, like it doesn't like doesn't even count.
I am so like secretive about ship that I'm just like,
that's not my secret. Even like sometimes I'll have information
that would kind of help somebody else. Sometimes I'm like,
you know, like when you're cleaning your apartment or something,
what you did today and it looks great, Well, thank
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you for noticing. Isn't it messier first before it's cleaner? Yeah,
So I feel like sometimes like letting go secret or
kind of spreading Chiefe Smith, I'm not willing to go
through the messy to get to the other side of that. Yeah.
I had to learn the hard way. I had a
friend tell me, like, you know, instead of talking to
people about your problems with a person, you could just
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talk to that person directly. And that was the biggest
grow the funk Up Girl like the other things. What
are we doing? I will say is that, Like I'm
very big on like if I say it at all,
I will have the balls to say it to your face. Yeah,
And sometimes people like put like sometimes people will be
like Curly said this. I'm like, tell them, tell them
the full story. Tell don't give them, don't give them
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the south bides. If you're going to spread chee smith
about what I said, tell them the full story. I
had one friend that was like, I heard you said
that I was crazy. This was in the early two thousand's.
I heard that you said that I was crazy. I'm like, girl,
I tell you that you're crazy to your face every
day because you're looking crazy. And they were like, oh, yeah,
you're right. I'm like, oh my god. But she was
mad at me for a long time. She was mad
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at me, like, oh my god, you're talking ship and
I'm like, no, I will literally say, come and ask me.
And I think what she should have done was just
been like, it's hurtful when you call me crazy. I mean,
of course, but we didn't understand that even the word
crazy was problematic. Everyone is just like operating from their
own traumas. Like I will always say that for everything,
because that's what it is. And I learned the big Yeah,
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I learned a big lesson, like a couple of years
ago that talk to the source. Talk to the source,
because I mean, there's been times in my life over
my like over ten years of my career where people
have spread rumors about me, and I'm always like, who
are you getting this information from. They're not even close
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to me. Why would you believe them? Also, are YouTube
chicken ship and afraid to come to me because you
know that you're gonna be wrong. Yeah. And the other
thing too, is like sometimes people will build up ideas
and like, come talk to me about it. There was
an entertainer in the business who like, for a while
I was really salty about me, and I'm like, oh,
I thought that you would feel tight enough with me
to like hit me up and ask me. I thought
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that you felt close enough to me to stay what's up?
What's going on? I would have been like, Oh, this
is what happened, and this is the whatever. But I
have actually confronted people, I have gone to the source
and it went nowhere. And so I was saying I
have back in the day when the unhealed version of me.
When I was not working on myself, I would not
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spread things, not at all. It was just like when
my friend told me, like, you need to go straight
to the source instead of talking to me about this
certain thing, I would confront that person. I went straight
to the source and said, like, I take accountability for
not coming to you first. I think that was a
really immature thing of me to do, and I take
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full responsibility for it. They didn't do anything, and um,
but I was not going to let that like reroute
me to like keep doing it. I took accountability and
responsibility and learned that I'm like, that is not what
you should do, even though you're being the bigger person.
And maybe that person was the one who did you
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wrong and you know, but it's still good practice. And
I'm very happy at my progress now that I don't
do that anymore, and I just like go straight to
the source, and even if I know certain things about
someone or something, I don't say anything anymore. As sometimes
I feel like, you know, culturally and laos latine people
queers bems like we kind of treat um as like
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a character tree as part of the culture. It's for
me It's like when people like, oh my god, we
love to drink. It's drinking. I'm like, yeah, and it's
still sucking up your liver and it's still toxic. It's
still toxic like some cheeseman. I think if you're spreading
goodness and spreading love, like absolutely, but the ship that
you're starring ship up or spreading evil and negativity, like
I'm not about it, but I will say, have you
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ever accidentally that's all the time. Oh my gosh, Okay,
this is so embarrassing. This was back when I was
just wild and now on MTV. I'm very embarrassed that
I did this. But one time I was at Disneyland
with one of my friends and they brought their cousin
and their cousin was just very intense. Started they were
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very intense, and I wanted this friend all to myself
because I was like, I just want to go to
Disney with you, And somehow like their cousin ended up
being there and we just all hung out together. And
I had a control issue back then. I was so
I was texting my other friend, oh MG, their cousin
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is so annoying. I just want to like ditch them.
And I accidentally sent that text to my friend who
I was with, whose like cousin that was? And I
sent it and noticed what happened. If you're listening to
this and you're my friend whose cousin that was, you
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already know I'm felt so sorry. But they looked at me.
It was like slow motion and their eyes got super
big and wide, and I go, oh, I'm so sorry,
and they stormed off. They stormed off and they were like,
that is so fucked up. That is so toxic, and
I was like, you're right. It messed up the whole
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trip we left earlier. And then I just apologized and
was like, I cannot do this. It wasn't an issue
that their cousin was there. It was that I wanted
them all to myself. I'm friends with the cousin. The
cousin's super cool and I love her so much, and uh,
it was just like a weird thing that I did.
And when you text the person, you're like, oh, it
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was so bad. I felt like an asshole. And it
was an asshole thing because, like you know, when that
person you're complaining about is actually a really good person
and funny and amazing and great and you're just a
little bit I really had to come to terms with
was like, that was a bitch move, and that was
not cool of you. Like you. Sometimes it happens. Yeah,
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but everything's all good now. That was like years ago
when I was just not not the best person in
the world, But now funny because I liked you, that
wasn't I did not know even you're freaking liar. I
thought you came back to work and he told me
the story. No, all right, well I feel like for me,
by the way, like you have to tell me curly,
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this is a secret. Not repeat this, because if you
don't tell me that, I literally would drop it left
and right, like I'll be like, oh yeah, so and
so it's not like vaccinated. I have never known you
to drop secrets because I probably don't even know that
it's a secret. I'm like, yeah, whatever, they're not vacts
and you're like what, I'm like, oh, is that a secret?
Oh yeah, no, no, no no, the memories are flooding back. Yeah,
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I don't have to. It always happens to anywhere else.
Spill something and I'm like, wait, what do you mean
that's not what do you mean people don't know or
like if you're like, okay, we're surprising Maya. Let's say like, okay,
we're doing Maya's birthday party. You have to be like, Curly,
this is a surprise, whatever, whatever, whatever, because I will
text you and be like, hey, my, what center does
your party start? I just in that person that is
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ever spilling tea and you being I say this with
so much love, a little bit aloof Oh always, I
live in the aloof because I'm so busy, because i
have so many different things going on that I'm like, yeah, yeah,
surprise parties. I have to kind of maybe leave you
out a little bit and just be like just show up.
Oh my god. But you have to tell me this
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is a surprise, Curly, like, look my Facebook, this is
a surprise, because otherwise I'm like, so, what times the party?
What times this? So and so had a baby, so
and so. I'm so sorry I didn't know it was
a secret. That's your fault. That's your bad. If you
don't disclose like this is a top secret. You know
what I do too. Sometimes I'm like, this is a
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top secret and I'm only telling you, so if this leaks,
I'm low with you. That's true. You tell me that
all the time, no one knows. I know some people
who don't say anything to anyone, even they're super super
super super close family members or friends. I can't do that.
Those are gold star humans. No they're not, really. I
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don't know if they're gold star humans or just murderers.
Have you seen you on Netflix? Oh? I was like,
have I seen me? Have you seen you on Netflix?
They can keep a secret. I mean, look, I can
keep a secret like no other. To be honest, it's
not my business, it's not my thing. Here's the other
thing too, Um, if Chiefsman protects people and you're not
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protecting predatory people or others who like Cheeseman can be
a good thing. Yeah, I agree, And I think also
it's good to suss out who you're telling these things
too and if they are good or not, because some people,
when you are not friends with them anymore, you can't
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trust them to spill all of your secrets exactly. Can
I do a special shout out for truly? I believe
the biggest proponents of Chiefeman straight men. Oh my gosh,
straight men are the biggest fucking Chiese muscles in the
whole galaxy. By it. Oh, my god, are you kidding me?
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Like girls are a little bit more like oh yeah,
like I heard this and d D D men run
home like guess what, and you're like, shut up, Yeah,
you're right. I guarantee you like your boyfriend, your dad,
you're theo your cousin's like have you seen those TikTok
videos where oh, my god, yes, exactly, yeah, where they
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will record their significant other and pretend like they're on
the phone and be like she did what and they're like,
put it on speaker phone, Put on speaker phone, she
did put it? Who is it, Jessica? I knew it.
My dad isn't. She's most so too. He's the one
where everyone tells information to him. He holds it all.
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He knows, he knows. My mom is a little bit.
You have to tell her this is a secret. Do
not tell anyone? Are very similar, right, Yes, you are?
And my mom maybe I shouldn't tell her a lot
of the things. Sometimes she has told people my secrets
and I'm like mom and she goes. They won't say
any thing. They would say. I'm like, I don't want
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this person I don't know, or that knew me as
a baby to know X, Y and Z. Yes, it's
like that. It's like, well, maya, no, no, no no, no, no,
I don't want to know. I don't want to actually
tell a story one time to other people about your period.
Oh yeah, we talked about that, like your first time,
didn't your mom to tell people? Yeah, she says everything,
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which is it's fine, I love you so much. But
it's a good story. Yeah, she's a great story oh
my oh wait wait wait, yes, she is a storyteller,
like an actual She gets hired to storytell and she
would tell stories at events. Um it's called like the storytellers.
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I forgot what it was, but like storytellers are a
Z and it's like an event where they throw it
and there's like different storytellers who tell about different experiences,
like funny things. And she just spilled all. And also
she has a blog. If you want to know deep
secrets about my child, go to her blog crafty Chika
dot com and you can find my first time, my
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first period, my first kiss. Like she documented it all
before she you know, before all of this like blogging stuff.
She was a blogger. So I'm kind of used to
having things just out there, random people, random people, would
come up to me on the street with my mom
and be like, oh my god, I love your blog.
You need to be nicer to your mom. Oh my god.
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And I'd be like, uh, yep, I read that. I go,
what did you right? My daughter sucked me in the
next Uh No, I would never need to be careful
with that's in the next. Yes, I suck everybody on
the neck. I also like that spin on words of
being like I'm not I'm a storyteller. Someone's going to
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steal that from you and put it on a shirt.
And now to our favorite segment, astrology section astrology the
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planet the signs. What zodiac sign gossips the most? Oh,
I don't know, what do you think? Mm hmmm, I
think gossips the least, Capricorn and Scorpios. I was gonna
say Scorpios secret I think the most. I think Aries
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is up there definitely um cancers and I'm going to
say libras are Yeah, I think aries cancers and libras
are chies. What's your reasoning behind that? Personal experiences? I
think I know a lot of like aries who like
spill some secrets. And you know, as I've just it
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out all my dirty laundry I did in the past,
and I know, like some of the labors that I've
known in my life. Um, I don't have any friends
like this anymore because I've kind of removed them from
my life. But they will talk ship in order to
get on your good side. I see, That's what I mean.
I hate that and I can sus it out real
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quick and know that like I don't. I don't really
want to be I don't want to associate myself with that.
It's true. I mean, look, sometimes you hear that like
what someone means you teach me about somebody that you
can't stand to your like see I told you, and
then you kind of know you're building like an ally
ship almost. I feel like for me, the best secret keepers,
I would say, not the worst is I don't know
the worst. Like I said, I don't really hang with
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people who are really most moss um. I feel like
you said it to me, Scorpios, Virgos and Capricorns are
like really good keeping secrets. But I do think if
you need someone to tell your secret to who can
give you some advice and not judge you, but like
love on you, it's the Pisces. Oh, but also I
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feel like Capricorn and Capricorn's virgos and Scorpios, they know
a lot of information. I feel like people tell them
a lot. People tell me a lot all the time,
and I'm like delete, Yeah, it's like I don't want
to know that me. I'm like, tell me, and I
will build a collage in my head about it and
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then forget about it. So, as we've discussed, gossip can
be good and it can also be bad. I think
you have to keep it at a healthy limit, um,
so that you're not too like che Smosa about things
because word can get around that you are or gossip
and it can tarnish your reputation and maybe you just
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like you know you you thought it was a good idea,
but it's really not. And um, I think when it
gets toxic, like step back, step back from those people
who are just you guys only a bond when you're
talking about people you know, is honestly just a distract
of you. Use it for good. I'm in support of
using Chiefemith for good. Yes, And I would say like
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for me, is your information, I'm going to help a
situation that you're spreading saving somebody's life saving somebody's spirit.
If it's not, if it's just like hearsay something that
you heard, like, I would reconsider spreading stuff even more. Um.
If you can protect people by um talking, great, absolutely
do it. But it's like mindruck business. At the end
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of the day, I have I have to interrupt you
for a second because August our sound engineer, wonderful person
who edits our podcast says, what about tourists? What about tourists?
What about tourists? Well, my where can people find you
on the social he said, omg um, you can find
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me at my moment m A y a in the
moment on all social media up forms? What about you,
Curly you can find me on Instagram and TikTok at
the Curly b Show. And I just want to say,
I'm not a cheese massa anymore. Okay, I've I've learned
my ways. But anyways, so I was telling you about
what what happened. Okay, so then crazy wait they're still listening. Oh,
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Okay, wait, so all I know is that she told
me that her ex wifriend was calling her. They're here, Hey,
what are you doing here? You have the rest of
the cheese make get in here. We need to know,
We need to know what happened. My name is Curly
and I'm Maya and welcome to the Super Secret Best
Club Podcast. A super secret club where we talk about
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super secret things, super secret more time. In each episode,
we'll talk about love, friendships, heartbreaks, men, and of course
our favorite secrets. Okay, you little cheese muscles and cheese mussas,
Welcome back. Welcome back to the Super Secret Bestie Club podcast,
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where we discuss all the hottest gossip in Well, I
get a secret for you right now, Curly, and I'm
going to tell it to you live. You smell your
belly button sometimes? I actually do. Who doesn't. It's just
like like checking your temperature. Don't know that I smell
my belly button anymore, but I do smell my balls.
(01:04):
Do girls smell their vaginas? Yeah, you kind of don't
have to smell it. It just it just comes to you.
The smell to you. It just comes to you. The
truth will always come to you my way or another. Yes,
so we're talking about secrets. Are you a cheese mossa?
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Are you? Are you? I'm a recovering cheese mosa Oh
my god, recovery. You're doing the twelve that you're in
the program? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes listen. I had
like a whole bunch of like girl group friends growing up,
and man, it was some of the worst years of
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my life because we would use gossip as weapons. Oh
my god, black male and very destructive, toxic things, and uh,
it just kind of be came. I mean. Also, being
in the Latino Latino Latino family, it's kind of your
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second language. It's it's a love language in the family
sometimes where like you get home and your mom's like
if you have to look at you know, and you're
like you know, and you're like, oh, I didn't know that,
and sometimes you bond over it, like you know, gossip
can sometimes be a way that a lot of people bond.
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I remember the third grade. I would get bullied and
I was trying to find my place in kind of
like the hierarchy of the third grade. And I remember
being like, oh, I had the gossip, and I called
myself the gossip king. I'm the gossip king. How embarrassing? Seriously, no, seriously,
so embarrassing. But I found that a lot of straight
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kids kind of respected me a little bit because they
were like, wait, what did he say about me? Did
you have big hair? I had really big so it
was secret. I'm much better than adult now. If it's
not my business, I actually don't give a fuck to
be honest. Oh man, I okay. You know it's like
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Regina George, Okay, She's like, I don't send them, I
just get them with chiefemate. It's like people, you know,
I don't go looking for it. They just happened to
feel comfortable to tell me. I literally always help me
with the same thing. I'm like, I have two folders
in my head. I have all about me and everybody
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else is in the other folder, and that everybody else
constantly gets deleted all the time to make more room
for the everything about me folder. But you know, I
you have to use cheesemate for good, right, Like you
cannot use it to hold over people's heads or use
it as blackmail. It's like information, and use that information
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very wisely. Actually read in this book. I think it's
called the sapiens or something like that, and they were
talking about how evolution humans actually used chiefsment or gossip
to kind of warn other people of like stay away
from that person, or you know, for things that have
to deal with life and death, things that were just
like they don't pay you, things that actually really matter,
like chiefeman can save your life in a lot of ways.
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So you think there's there's a thing as like good gossip. Um, yeah,
but here's my thing too. Is it gossip if it's true?
If I'm like that person is actually horrible, that have
some story, I mean yeah, exactly. Like when you see
a news story when you're like, uh, such and such
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as happening in Washington, You're not like that's gossip. You're like,
it's news. I'm like, I'm not gossiping. I'm giving you news.
That person you're saying, we're news reporters and journalists, journalists,
You're welcome. When do you think it can turn bad? Um?
When do I think that gossip? Look, I think gossiping
can turn bad when it's malicious, when there's no purpose
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in it, when you're just spreading news, or you're sta
in the pot, or it's selfish like you want to
get points. Let's say I want to get points with you,
and I'm like, Maya, I just want you to know
that my loyalty to you. And I heard somebody in
the hallway say this about you when you don't even
know the story what's going on with the person in
the hallway, and Maya like, you're disrupting and you're causing
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even more attension when they could sort their ship out themselves,
you know what I mean. Yeah, I had to talk
with my friend the other day and she had told
me like, oh, yeah, I remember I went over to
your house and you warned me about this person. And
I stopped her and I was like, I'm so sorry
that I did that, because I don't want it to
seem like I'm shipped talking at all, um, when it's
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just like telling you about an experience I had with
this person, and I want to make sure that you
don't get taken advantage of from that person. Okay. Also,
I feel bad because I didn't want it to seem
like I think you don't have a strong intuition, or
that you're dumb and that you are easy to get
fooled or whatever. And she is like, no, no, not
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at all, but when someone has done you dirty or
like in the family, when you have family members that
are like mean to you, you kind of have to
be careful because you don't want to seem like it
could backfire on you. Oh my god, absolutely, And here's
the thing to let the thing with gossip, like they
just go overboard, like they want to be the one,
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like the type of friend that calls you's like I
have the chiefs myt like they want to have that credibility.
I get off more on being the person that people
hit up and trust Like that to me makes my
fucking booty hole open up and it's ready, you know
what I mean, because I'm just like, oh, these people
trust me, you know what I do do Sometimes though,
like I'll go into the next room and be like, Maya,
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um so and so said that you're incredible and that
you're the ship, like you're amazing. Isn't that nice? Like oh,
spread like nice energy and nice gossip, because I think
that that's also very nice to be like, oh I'm
not in the room. That's so sweet that people think
that way about When I had told my friend about
a certain experience I had with a person for years
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after that, I swore to like stop talking about that
situation because I was close with this friend and she
didn't really care. But I was like, it doesn't feel
good even though like you're just searching for justice, like
when something bad happens to you, like you want to
warn people, not in the way of changing their perspective
of the other person, but in that like, hey, I
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know we're cut from the same cloth, like just be careful. Yeah.
I also feel like for me sometimes two I'll spread
not cheese me, but I speak up about everybody. And
when I love somebody, I love them when I'm like
I don't know that person a little if sometimes I'm like,
am I tripping or is this person kind of a
little shy sy? To people? Those sshicy people were saying
(07:51):
in um, they're a little like you know, it's like
shady shicy, And then people were like, oh my god,
yes right, no, you're not the same thing too. It
just but sometimes the reason why I stopped all that
stuff is not that I was like doing it a lot,
and I you know, I was like a gossiper or
like an actual cheese mosa. But it just didn't feel
(08:13):
good anymore, you know, and it's not like it ever
felt good. It just was like reopening a wound that
you have. But I just wonder, like, why do you
think gossip and chiefs may is such a connector of people,
because sometimes I think you have those well you have
those friends that are like we're only friends because we
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talk about other people. And once I realized that, I'm like,
I don't want to do that, like do we actually
have stuff in common or I actually don't think that
I have friends like that, Like I don't have friends
like that anymore. Yeah, I feel like I'm interested in
talking about you and your life and me and my life,
and its part of that means talking about somebody else
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for a brief moment and sharing within the trauma, Like yeah, absolutely,
Like I don't see that that's a problem, you know. Yeah,
well that's the reason why I say I'm a recovered jeez, Melissa,
because I just don't like, you know, and some of
my family was very much like that to where they
just would talk shit about people and I'm just like,
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why I'm going to change the subject. And it's addictie, right, Yes,
have you ever had a secret that was so juicy
that like you were like, oh, I just want to
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tell somebody, yes, and what do you do? I don't
Or I tell my mom. I tell my mom literally
everything vibes everything my parents too, I tell them everything.
I'm like, look, I just need to tell somebody. Yeah,
And it doesn't really count if it's your parents or
like your sibling or your cousin or your friend or
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or social media, like it doesn't like doesn't even count.
I am so like secretive about ship that I'm just like,
that's not my secret. Even like sometimes I'll have information
that would kind of help somebody else. Sometimes I'm like,
you know, like when you're cleaning your apartment or something,
what you did today and it looks great, Well, thank
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you for noticing. Isn't it messier first before it's cleaner? Yeah,
So I feel like sometimes like letting go secret or
kind of spreading Chiefe Smith, I'm not willing to go
through the messy to get to the other side of that. Yeah.
I had to learn the hard way. I had a
friend tell me, like, you know, instead of talking to
people about your problems with a person, you could just
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talk to that person directly. And that was the biggest
grow the funk Up Girl like the other things. What
are we doing? I will say is that, Like I'm
very big on like if I say it at all,
I will have the balls to say it to your face. Yeah,
And sometimes people like put like sometimes people will be
like Curly said this. I'm like, tell them, tell them
the full story. Tell don't give them, don't give them
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the south bides. If you're going to spread chee smith
about what I said, tell them the full story. I
had one friend that was like, I heard you said
that I was crazy. This was in the early two thousand's.
I heard that you said that I was crazy. I'm like, girl,
I tell you that you're crazy to your face every
day because you're looking crazy. And they were like, oh, yeah,
you're right. I'm like, oh my god. But she was
mad at me for a long time. She was mad
(11:27):
at me, like, oh my god, you're talking ship and
I'm like, no, I will literally say, come and ask me.
And I think what she should have done was just
been like, it's hurtful when you call me crazy. I mean,
of course, but we didn't understand that even the word
crazy was problematic. Everyone is just like operating from their
own traumas. Like I will always say that for everything,
because that's what it is. And I learned the big Yeah,
(11:49):
I learned a big lesson, like a couple of years
ago that talk to the source. Talk to the source,
because I mean, there's been times in my life over
my like over ten years of my career where people
have spread rumors about me, and I'm always like, who
are you getting this information from. They're not even close
(12:11):
to me. Why would you believe them? Also, are YouTube
chicken ship and afraid to come to me because you
know that you're gonna be wrong. Yeah. And the other
thing too, is like sometimes people will build up ideas
and like, come talk to me about it. There was
an entertainer in the business who like, for a while
I was really salty about me, and I'm like, oh,
I thought that you would feel tight enough with me
to like hit me up and ask me. I thought
(12:31):
that you felt close enough to me to stay what's up?
What's going on? I would have been like, Oh, this
is what happened, and this is the whatever. But I
have actually confronted people, I have gone to the source
and it went nowhere. And so I was saying I
have back in the day when the unhealed version of me.
When I was not working on myself, I would not
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spread things, not at all. It was just like when
my friend told me, like, you need to go straight
to the source instead of talking to me about this
certain thing, I would confront that person. I went straight
to the source and said, like, I take accountability for
not coming to you first. I think that was a
really immature thing of me to do, and I take
(13:13):
full responsibility for it. They didn't do anything, and um,
but I was not going to let that like reroute
me to like keep doing it. I took accountability and
responsibility and learned that I'm like, that is not what
you should do, even though you're being the bigger person.
And maybe that person was the one who did you
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wrong and you know, but it's still good practice. And
I'm very happy at my progress now that I don't
do that anymore, and I just like go straight to
the source, and even if I know certain things about
someone or something, I don't say anything anymore. As sometimes
I feel like, you know, culturally and laos latine people
queers bems like we kind of treat um as like
(13:59):
a character tree as part of the culture. It's for
me It's like when people like, oh my god, we
love to drink. It's drinking. I'm like, yeah, and it's
still sucking up your liver and it's still toxic. It's
still toxic like some cheeseman. I think if you're spreading
goodness and spreading love, like absolutely, but the ship that
you're starring ship up or spreading evil and negativity, like
I'm not about it, but I will say, have you
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ever accidentally that's all the time. Oh my gosh, Okay,
this is so embarrassing. This was back when I was
just wild and now on MTV. I'm very embarrassed that
I did this. But one time I was at Disneyland
with one of my friends and they brought their cousin
and their cousin was just very intense. Started they were
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very intense, and I wanted this friend all to myself
because I was like, I just want to go to
Disney with you, And somehow like their cousin ended up
being there and we just all hung out together. And
I had a control issue back then. I was so
I was texting my other friend, oh MG, their cousin
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is so annoying. I just want to like ditch them.
And I accidentally sent that text to my friend who
I was with, whose like cousin that was? And I
sent it and noticed what happened. If you're listening to
this and you're my friend whose cousin that was, you
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already know I'm felt so sorry. But they looked at me.
It was like slow motion and their eyes got super
big and wide, and I go, oh, I'm so sorry,
and they stormed off. They stormed off and they were like,
that is so fucked up. That is so toxic, and
I was like, you're right. It messed up the whole
(15:49):
trip we left earlier. And then I just apologized and
was like, I cannot do this. It wasn't an issue
that their cousin was there. It was that I wanted
them all to myself. I'm friends with the cousin. The
cousin's super cool and I love her so much, and uh,
it was just like a weird thing that I did.
And when you text the person, you're like, oh, it
(16:12):
was so bad. I felt like an asshole. And it
was an asshole thing because, like you know, when that
person you're complaining about is actually a really good person
and funny and amazing and great and you're just a
little bit I really had to come to terms with
was like, that was a bitch move, and that was
not cool of you. Like you. Sometimes it happens. Yeah,
(16:35):
but everything's all good now. That was like years ago
when I was just not not the best person in
the world, But now funny because I liked you, that
wasn't I did not know even you're freaking liar. I
thought you came back to work and he told me
the story. No, all right, well I feel like for me,
by the way, like you have to tell me curly,
(16:57):
this is a secret. Not repeat this, because if you
don't tell me that, I literally would drop it left
and right, like I'll be like, oh yeah, so and
so it's not like vaccinated. I have never known you
to drop secrets because I probably don't even know that
it's a secret. I'm like, yeah, whatever, they're not vacts
and you're like what, I'm like, oh, is that a secret?
Oh yeah, no, no, no no, the memories are flooding back. Yeah,
(17:21):
I don't have to. It always happens to anywhere else.
Spill something and I'm like, wait, what do you mean
that's not what do you mean people don't know or
like if you're like, okay, we're surprising Maya. Let's say like, okay,
we're doing Maya's birthday party. You have to be like, Curly,
this is a surprise, whatever, whatever, whatever, because I will
text you and be like, hey, my, what center does
your party start? I just in that person that is
(17:44):
ever spilling tea and you being I say this with
so much love, a little bit aloof Oh always, I
live in the aloof because I'm so busy, because i
have so many different things going on that I'm like, yeah, yeah,
surprise parties. I have to kind of maybe leave you
out a little bit and just be like just show up.
Oh my god. But you have to tell me this
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is a surprise, Curly, like, look my Facebook, this is
a surprise, because otherwise I'm like, so, what times the party?
What times this? So and so had a baby, so
and so. I'm so sorry I didn't know it was
a secret. That's your fault. That's your bad. If you
don't disclose like this is a top secret. You know
what I do too. Sometimes I'm like, this is a
(18:25):
top secret and I'm only telling you, so if this leaks,
I'm low with you. That's true. You tell me that
all the time, no one knows. I know some people
who don't say anything to anyone, even they're super super
super super close family members or friends. I can't do that.
Those are gold star humans. No they're not, really. I
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don't know if they're gold star humans or just murderers.
Have you seen you on Netflix? Oh? I was like,
have I seen me? Have you seen you on Netflix?
They can keep a secret. I mean, look, I can
keep a secret like no other. To be honest, it's
not my business, it's not my thing. Here's the other
thing too, Um, if Chiefsman protects people and you're not
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protecting predatory people or others who like Cheeseman can be
a good thing. Yeah, I agree, And I think also
it's good to suss out who you're telling these things
too and if they are good or not, because some people,
when you are not friends with them anymore, you can't
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trust them to spill all of your secrets exactly. Can
I do a special shout out for truly? I believe
the biggest proponents of Chiefeman straight men. Oh my gosh,
straight men are the biggest fucking Chiese muscles in the
whole galaxy. By it. Oh, my god, are you kidding me?
(19:53):
Like girls are a little bit more like oh yeah,
like I heard this and d D D men run
home like guess what, and you're like, shut up, Yeah,
you're right. I guarantee you like your boyfriend, your dad,
you're theo your cousin's like have you seen those TikTok
videos where oh, my god, yes, exactly, yeah, where they
(20:16):
will record their significant other and pretend like they're on
the phone and be like she did what and they're like,
put it on speaker phone, Put on speaker phone, she
did put it? Who is it, Jessica? I knew it.
My dad isn't. She's most so too. He's the one
where everyone tells information to him. He holds it all.
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He knows, he knows. My mom is a little bit.
You have to tell her this is a secret. Do
not tell anyone? Are very similar, right, Yes, you are?
And my mom maybe I shouldn't tell her a lot
of the things. Sometimes she has told people my secrets
and I'm like mom and she goes. They won't say
any thing. They would say. I'm like, I don't want
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this person I don't know, or that knew me as
a baby to know X, Y and Z. Yes, it's
like that. It's like, well, maya, no, no, no no, no, no,
I don't want to know. I don't want to actually
tell a story one time to other people about your period.
Oh yeah, we talked about that, like your first time,
didn't your mom to tell people? Yeah, she says everything,
(21:22):
which is it's fine, I love you so much. But
it's a good story. Yeah, she's a great story oh
my oh wait wait wait, yes, she is a storyteller,
like an actual She gets hired to storytell and she
would tell stories at events. Um it's called like the storytellers.
(21:43):
I forgot what it was, but like storytellers are a
Z and it's like an event where they throw it
and there's like different storytellers who tell about different experiences,
like funny things. And she just spilled all. And also
she has a blog. If you want to know deep
secrets about my child, go to her blog crafty Chika
dot com and you can find my first time, my
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first period, my first kiss. Like she documented it all
before she you know, before all of this like blogging stuff.
She was a blogger. So I'm kind of used to
having things just out there, random people, random people, would
come up to me on the street with my mom
and be like, oh my god, I love your blog.
You need to be nicer to your mom. Oh my god.
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And I'd be like, uh, yep, I read that. I go,
what did you right? My daughter sucked me in the
next Uh No, I would never need to be careful
with that's in the next. Yes, I suck everybody on
the neck. I also like that spin on words of
being like I'm not I'm a storyteller. Someone's going to
(22:53):
steal that from you and put it on a shirt.
And now to our favorite segment, astrology section astrology the
(23:15):
planet the signs. What zodiac sign gossips the most? Oh,
I don't know, what do you think? Mm hmmm, I
think gossips the least, Capricorn and Scorpios. I was gonna
say Scorpios secret I think the most. I think Aries
(23:37):
is up there definitely um cancers and I'm going to
say libras are Yeah, I think aries cancers and libras
are chies. What's your reasoning behind that? Personal experiences? I
think I know a lot of like aries who like
spill some secrets. And you know, as I've just it
(24:00):
out all my dirty laundry I did in the past,
and I know, like some of the labors that I've
known in my life. Um, I don't have any friends
like this anymore because I've kind of removed them from
my life. But they will talk ship in order to
get on your good side. I see, That's what I mean.
I hate that and I can sus it out real
(24:20):
quick and know that like I don't. I don't really
want to be I don't want to associate myself with that.
It's true. I mean, look, sometimes you hear that like
what someone means you teach me about somebody that you
can't stand to your like see I told you, and
then you kind of know you're building like an ally
ship almost. I feel like for me, the best secret keepers,
I would say, not the worst is I don't know
the worst. Like I said, I don't really hang with
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people who are really most moss um. I feel like
you said it to me, Scorpios, Virgos and Capricorns are
like really good keeping secrets. But I do think if
you need someone to tell your secret to who can
give you some advice and not judge you, but like
love on you, it's the Pisces. Oh, but also I
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feel like Capricorn and Capricorn's virgos and Scorpios, they know
a lot of information. I feel like people tell them
a lot. People tell me a lot all the time,
and I'm like delete, Yeah, it's like I don't want
to know that me. I'm like, tell me, and I
will build a collage in my head about it and
(25:26):
then forget about it. So, as we've discussed, gossip can
be good and it can also be bad. I think
you have to keep it at a healthy limit, um,
so that you're not too like che Smosa about things
because word can get around that you are or gossip
and it can tarnish your reputation and maybe you just
(25:48):
like you know you you thought it was a good idea,
but it's really not. And um, I think when it
gets toxic, like step back, step back from those people
who are just you guys only a bond when you're
talking about people you know, is honestly just a distract
of you. Use it for good. I'm in support of
using Chiefemith for good. Yes, And I would say like
(26:10):
for me, is your information, I'm going to help a
situation that you're spreading saving somebody's life saving somebody's spirit.
If it's not, if it's just like hearsay something that
you heard, like, I would reconsider spreading stuff even more. Um.
If you can protect people by um talking, great, absolutely
do it. But it's like mindruck business. At the end
(26:33):
of the day, I have I have to interrupt you
for a second because August our sound engineer, wonderful person
who edits our podcast says, what about tourists? What about tourists?
What about tourists? Well, my where can people find you
on the social he said, omg um, you can find
(26:55):
me at my moment m A y a in the
moment on all social media up forms? What about you,
Curly you can find me on Instagram and TikTok at
the Curly b Show. And I just want to say,
I'm not a cheese massa anymore. Okay, I've I've learned
my ways. But anyways, so I was telling you about
what what happened. Okay, so then crazy wait they're still listening. Oh,
(27:16):
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