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September 18, 2024 57 mins

Your favorite gossip aficionados, Curly and Maya, dive headfirst into the chaotic world of internet drama! From Youtube influencer scandals, to the TikTok feud that no one asked for (but everyone’s invested in).

Maya Murillo and Curly Velásquez are the hosts of the Super Secret Bestie Club with production support by Karina Riveroll of Sonoro Media in partnership with iHeart Radio's My Cultura Podcast network. If you want to support the podcast, please rate and review our show!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Curly, did you hear about the Nikokado avocado weight loss thing?
And then the shoddy bay like is she pregnant?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
And she no?

Speaker 1 (00:05):
And then she like broke up with her boyfriend and
then the whole like loll lol cow like Tofia chew
and nope.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Wow. It kind of.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Sounds like you're reading from a menu. What are you
what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Okay, my name is Curly.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
And I'm Maya and welcome to the Super Secret Best
Cloud Podcast. A super secret club where we talk about
super secret things.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, like secrets that are super That's what it is.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
In each episode we'll talk about love, friendship, heartbreaks.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Men, and of course our favorite secrets. Isn't it kind
of sound like those? Are it? Sound like?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Do you want the Nikokado avocado, the shoddy bass moviefia.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Non dairy lol cow lo cow lows.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah. So, welcome back to another episode of the seep
The Secret Besty Club Podcast. As your resident chronically online girl, listen,
we got a lot to talk about. Some of this
tea is cold, it's iced tea. Some of it is
piping hot end pipin'. It just depends on your preference

(01:26):
of tea. But we're going to get into it. This
is all about recent Internet chievement and a little bit
of entertainment. Hollywood cheaf man, are you ready, Curly?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
How's your spirit? My spirit is good.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
I'm excited because I go down rabbit holes of like
Internet cheatment, and it seems like there's always like something new.
Like I just was on the phone with you earlier
and I was like, oh, Jewels, the creator of Demures,
like Beefing was like another creator, and I'm like, we
just they just started, Like what what is? So there's
a whole ecosystem of things happening. So my spirit is

(01:59):
excited to hear about this. But how's your spirit?

Speaker 1 (02:03):
It's good because I'm very passionate about the Internet and
very passionate mostly about how society reacts to Internet trends
and how like they inform us as like Internet creators,
and just I mean it just just kind of like
developing the way we kind of move in the world.

(02:26):
You know, like Demure took over the freaking world. I
mean it has been a thing and I mean since
forever from like the queer and black and brown community.
But like the way it was said was just it
caught everybody's you know, attention and kind of like crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
So it could happen in like three weeks.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
I feel like I heard it and then I like,
literally the next day it was everywhere, and then I
was like, okay, cute, and then it was like on
Jimmy Fallon, I'm like whoa. And then it was like
this creator just made a shit money and I'm like
what is?

Speaker 4 (03:02):
How is guy?

Speaker 1 (03:03):
And now she's able to fund her transition, which is amazing,
And that's kind of like, you know, that's amazing that
on the Internet you're able to make that kind of
money based on just being authentic and yourself, which I
think is like kind of what we all try to
do on this platform. But I kind of want to

(03:24):
talk about some YouTube tea first and foremost.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Let's do that.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, So I have been seeing Nikokado Avocado, who is
this YouTuber Muckbanger, and a muckbang is like when you
just sit down and eat in front of the camera,
and there's different meanings for it. Some people think it's
meant to like help people like sit down and eat
something like because they see another people eating. Sometimes in

(03:50):
other realms it's like a bit of like a fetish
thing that they cater Yeah, it's like a you know,
so he has been catering to all different parts of
that community when it comes to like food and eating,
mostly towards like I ordered two hundred dollars worth of
McDonald's items or something, and it's kind of like he
goes a little bit wild and will like blend a

(04:13):
bunch of like McDonald's products into a blender and make
it like a smoothie and drink it like really outlandish stuff.
He went to like this cafe or grill called the
Heart the Heart Heartbreaker, oh, the heart Attack grill, which
is something where you get your food free if you

(04:36):
are above three hundred and fifty pounds. And it's that's
a whole other lore in itself. But he has had
kind of a negative reaction on the internet because a
lot of people have been concerned about his weight, like
he had hit like four hundred pounds and had been
talking about his struggles and everything, and so up until

(04:57):
probably a couple of days ago, he had been posting consists,
you know, and the comments are just kind of like
horrible and all of these things. And then we see
a video that says, oh, what is what is the
actual time of the video held on?

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Okay second? One second?

Speaker 3 (05:12):
This is wild too, Like just to think all the
thoughts that are going to my head when you're describing that.
There's this section of the internet that just watches people eat.
I'm like, do I'm like a would people be interested.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
In watching me eat? Like? Yeah, of course sexy when
I'm eating.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
I'm really not that sexy when I eat, like, I'm
very like and then and then I'm like, you probably
have to get like sloppy foods. Like all the different
things that go through my head that I'm like, and
I am the banger that's not so gross.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
It's like a food eating kink where they like to
watch people eat food. I had done a video where
I was like eating ramen and it did really well
because you just right, I remember, you just sit and
eat ramen.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I told you.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
A guy sent that to me and was like, why
is she the hottest thing on the internet?

Speaker 2 (05:57):
And I was like, that is so gross.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I am not a pretty eater like all of my life, Like,
since we were on like Buzzbeed doing food videos, I
always would hate when we had to try something, so
I just the way like I choose just whatever. It's
not mental camera.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
But I just thought, you're like my little sister, and
I'm like, don't tell me fucking videos and my little
sister eating and you tell me that you think it's hot,
Like that's so weird.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I'm like eating ramen. Anyway. So the video that Nikokado
posted is called two Steps Ahead, and he basically reveals
that this has been the greatest social experiment of his life.
He lost two hundred and fifty pounds, wow, and he
is he is really really tiny. He shaved his head.
He's basically for the past two years has been losing weight,

(06:45):
but backlogged a bunch of different videos of him still
at that previous weight. So, and this video as of now,
has like thirty five million views, and he posted it
three days ago, and it's a it's a script that
he wrote that he actually he said in a different

(07:06):
video right before he lost weight, and it's like, I'm
always two steps ahead of you guys. You know, this
has been the greatest social experiment like all that stuff,
and then he repeated it. And then now he's still
doing munk bank videos and he's eating like like giant
noodles again. So I'm just kind of like but he
said he loves making these types of videos. But I'm

(07:26):
just like, I that's just the thing that I'm here.
He didn't say how he lost the weight at all.
Everyone's like speculating ozempic but he says that it took
two years. There's other videos of him like exercising, but

(07:47):
he has not addressed it yet. And I think he's
got everybody in the palm of his hands because you
go from and it's just the whole thing of like
how the internet in toxicity with phobia, how they view
like they they don't want fat people, overweight people, plus
size people to lose weight, but then they do, but

(08:09):
then they don't, and then when they lose weight, they
like talk shit about them, like what do you guys want?
What do you guys want? You you're mad that I'm
celebrating being happy in my body, but yet you're because
I'm unfit or I'm unhealthy, and yet when I lose weight,
I didn't do it in the way that you wanted
me to do it, Like yeah, you know, so I

(08:33):
don't know, do you think it's a sleigh that he
kind of like.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
I have a lot of like mixed feelings about that too, right,
Like I just feel like I do think about the
different things about fat phobia. I do think about the
ways in which that is. It feels really unhealthy for
any individual to just like do that to their body
where they're eating a lot of stuff and however he
lost it.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
And now they're eating again like that way.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Like I'm kind of like, what is the in between
to kind of show like and are you doing this
for the sake of entertainment?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
You know?

Speaker 3 (09:04):
But at the same time too, like exactly what you're saying,
Like people were hating on him for being a person
of size, and now are they hating on him because
he's smaller and he was a person of size. Like,
it's just such a it's such a sticky situation, which
is if.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
You kind of back out on it.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
It is just centered around fat phobia and people's kind
of like ideas in terms of like what they expect
an individual to look like, eat like, feel like, like
move like. It's an interesting thing, for sure, it feels
like an interesting gimmick. I'm interested to see, like what

(09:43):
he does with this. It is reminiscent, not the same
in any sort of way. It's reminiscent to me of
when BuzzFeed put a bunch of rubber bands around a
watermelon and they went live and so many people were
watching it and they were like, oh my god, this
is the crazy Like so many who are watching this
watermelon thing because like, how that is? That's amazing that

(10:04):
he's had this crazy million watch success. But like, is
it like a repeatable format? Is it something that he
can do again? What's the uh?

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I think he's already He's he already has established himself
on the internet for so long that now people are
gonna just like Colleen Ballinger right, Like I feel like
she got really big back in the day from her
Miranda Singh's character, but most importantly as somebody who used
to follow her journey from her relationship and from her

(10:35):
family dynamic, like things that she would like. She has
solidified people like nosey ass people. And I think people
are gonna stick around and watch to see what Nikokato
does because they want to see how did he lose weight?
Or like is he gonna explain more? Because and then
he has like three or four channels, so this is

(10:55):
on his new channel. Yeah, this is on his new channel,
and he just posted another video talking about like doing
another mu muck bang or mucbong and I think it
has like seven million like views.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
He's found his niche so he's doing his thing.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yes, food is his thing. He said. He loves it.
He said he like really he loves food. He loves
you know, doing muck bong's. And he had explained to that, like,
you know, I want to get back to what these
types of videos are actually for. It's for people who
struggle eating to sit down and watch somebody else eat
so that they eat as well. Because there are people
who have disorders who and it's very helpful to like

(11:41):
sit down and watch somebody eat because they may not
like have a regimented like schedule.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's kind of just too of like it just shows
like the unpredictability of the internet, right, Like I keep saying,
the Internet will choose who it wants to choose, like
if it wants who it wants, and if suddenly they're like,
this is who we want, this is what we're looking at,
this is what we're seeing. It's shocking. It's wild. More
power to him. I hope that whatever he's doing he
is happy, he is living his best life. He's enjoying

(12:10):
a great meal, he's running all the way to the bank,
and hopefully he's getting a lot of love. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
And I just wonder if he's still with his boyfriend,
because his boyfriend, Yeah, him and his boyfriend would do
a lot of videos together. I'm not like a super
fan of his at all. I'm not subscribed because he
just was kind of very like all over the place
with it, and I just think it's like an interesting,

(12:38):
an interesting, an interesting thing that he did to lose
two hundred and fifty pounds.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
And they come back and be like when you were
like boyfriend, I was like boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
He has a boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, he had a boyfriend. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
All throughout his journey, he gets to eat whatever he
wants all day long and people watch him and he
gets paid and he has a boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah. I'm out here like Lord Love Lord.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Boundaries.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
I'm just like Lord.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
I feel like the Lord is homophobic against me at
this point because I can barely get anybody to watch
me eat the sandwich.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Selena homophobic.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, I'm just kidding. Lord.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
By the way, Selena is my homegirl. Literally, like, you know,
I just read a few I just read some literature
on her and watched a lot of videos, and I
see a lot of things down and I'm.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Like, I get it.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
I got it, okay, So you let me quick sidebar,
you let me borrow Chris Perez's.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
I gave it to you.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Oh you gave it to me.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, I gave it to you.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Let me borrow it.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
But no, no, no, I bought it for you.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Oh thank you. It's so good. I finished it. She's
such an aries.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
There's this there's a part in the book where he
talks about how like he was grumpy and she was grumpy,
and he went in and he put likes music equipment
on the bed, and she got into the bed and
she heard like he heard like a big thump, and
he's like, this girl did not kick stuff off of
the bed. So he went to go look and it

(14:27):
was I think it was like on the floor or something.
And he brought in his guitar and he walked away.
He put on the bed and he walked away, and
then he heard it don't and he's like, that girl
did not kick my guitar off.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
And he went back and she sure enough, she had
kicked all his ship.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Off, and I was like, that's not the most aries
thing I've heard all day long, Like Celina was fucking aries.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
That's so.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
But that's why I liked that book so much A
quick sidebar, because I was just like, oh yeah, he
humanized her, like she was such a little brat, and
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
The title of the book, I think it's love with Love.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah to Selena with Love or something like that. But
you know, shout out to Nakado Avocado.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
So the next the next piece of tea cheese may
is the Shoddy Bay lore.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, this is the one that I was asking you
about because I went through like a rabbit hole of
like looking at Shoddy Bay.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
And all of my videos.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
It's so interesting because I've been seeing a lot of
videos from creators that are from different almost like ethers,
different universes within the creator's realm talking about Shoddy Bay
and being like I saw this one black American creator
talking about how like she was like, hold up, do
other like black folks know about Shoddy Bay and what's happening?
And she was like she was saying how she was
talking to her black friends and they were like, what

(15:44):
is that? And she's like, wait, hold up, And so
I thought it was really cool that we were this
Shoddy Bay thing was kind of crossing over into communities
outside of the Latine, like queer World on TikTok that
are like a part of I think my mom knew
about Shoddy Bay like a while ago because of the
mall incident that happened with her years ago, where she

(16:07):
got like mothed right, because there's a lot of people
that went to.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Go see her. Yes, I saw, you know, there's Shoddy Bay,
And now.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Years later I'm here being like telling you about Shoddy Bay.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Shoddy Bay is known for her catchy phrases, and there's
a you know what's crazy is that I always see
a lot of hate on her, and yet I see
creators who are very successful now totally ripping her uh
aesthetic and ripping her comedic aesthetic and ripping her phrases,

(16:44):
are recycling them.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
What is her comedic aesthetic?

Speaker 1 (16:47):
And what is her her comedic aesthetic? Is like she
says like honey, a lot she says anyways, she's she
says like uh like, oh no, honey, honey, bunches, Oh no,
honey bunches, oats And then she says the vetas the

(17:07):
vet us a lot and then just a lot of
a lot of like really catchy, like bilingual lingo and
it's very very like very you know, Latin American. You
know that she it's become a staple. But she I

(17:32):
feel like she goes live all the time. Her lore
is basically like she's from Minnesota. And there was I
don't know how true this is, but somebody had explained
how she got super famous. She got a lot of money,
and then it was revealed that her family was stealing
a lot of money from her. She's twenty two. She's

(17:54):
twenty two, So she went viral when she was like
still a teenager and she like even left her family
home and just never returned. And she's like kind of
falling out with her sister, with her parents, and she
was like in this like creator house and they took

(18:16):
advantage of her. And then she's just been in and
out of like different friendships and relationships. But fast forwarding
to now, rich boy Carti was her boyfriend. This is
as of like September tenth, a couple days ago, she
went live and said that her and her boyfriend broke up.

(18:37):
And this is like a big deal because a lot
of people were thinking that, like why would somebody like
him love her? Like they call her so many horrible
names and talk shit about her. And my impression of
her is that she is young, and she is very naive.

(18:58):
She's very green to this warl old, and I feel
like she has a little bit of like neurospiciness. I
don't know what exactly it is. She by the way,
like yes, like and everybody yeah her her. I don't
know how this is. I've been seeing this and she
even says like she her disability is like Bell's palsy.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Your face kind of yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
So it became public. She shared her experiences with it.
She's had like surgeries and stuff, and there's just there's
something else. I feel like she has experience that you know,
maybe we won't know, but it's like we all kind
of can see that there's something going on, right Yeah,
And I think it's it's kind of like messed up

(19:47):
the way that people are coming at her, Like there
was they had pranked her one time. This was like
maybe a couple of weeks ago where they were like
pranking her with the police saying that oh you did this.
We found this in your car, so we're arresting you.
So they staged this whole thing like they were arresting her,
and she freaked out and she started running away and

(20:08):
they're like, we're just kidding, shoddy Bay. It's it's not real,
Like it's fake. And she has this meltdown that is
like it looks like she's having a panic attack, and
people are laughing at her.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Like no matter what it's like, And this goes into
there's a thing called a lull cow or an lol
cow that people.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
I did want to before we go into the low cow,
by the way, I did want.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
To say that.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Like one of the crazy things too with her and
her boyfriend that I'm seeing is like they've also had
like a lot of crazy controversy around them as well,
like and it's kind of the continuation of fat phobia
that we were talking about before in terms of like
why would somebody that looks like him get with somebody
that looks like her? You know, like look how he
doesn't even want to kiss her. There's all these videos.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Of life or she's just with her for money for me,
and like.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Clow but like you I compilations of like him trying
to like avoiding the a kiss, you know what I mean,
like avoiding her kisses. And and there's even like allegations
that he might be gay or by which also led
to even more controversy that we talked about earlier in
terms of her you know, saying.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yes, there was a live, there was a live where
they had addressed that whole thing, and she she was
like very mad, and she was like like, I don't
like gay people. All gay people are like she said
something like shit talkers or haters or something, which she
had three million I think at one point followers, and
then now she's like one point three Yeah, that's what

(21:39):
That's what. I'm getting this information from different people on TikTok,
but I do remember her having more followers. Yeah, she
just is kind of like and she there's like different
things that you can see her not being very social
to fans and stuff, which is also like that shit
is hard, that shit is like nobody is made to

(22:00):
interact with people like that, you know what I'm saying. Like,
and I don't think she's necessarily I don't think she
was being rude like with the social interactions. I think
she was just like okay, and I think people mess
with her. There's this thing called low he lo cow,
and it's a person you get laps from who doesn't
know they're being made fun of. Sometimes they think they

(22:20):
can be admired for what they're doing. I think she knows.
I think she's in on it. I think she is
like she knows that she's funny, and she is funny.
A lot of her stuff, a lot of her relationship
stuff that she says constantly goes viral is a meme
and it's not necessarily making fun of her the way
she said it. It's kind of like, oh my god,
she's so real for that, you know, or like she

(22:43):
was like crying the other day to like Billie Eilish's
what was I made for? And everyone's like this is
so real. I like even Rowe. I'm like, not the
breakup playlist. I'm like, yes, girl, you know, like she is.
I don't think she can be under the category of
a low count And I think that is a disgusting term. Yeah,
And I'm also like, who made all these terms? Oh,

(23:04):
gen Z is that you? Is that you?

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Guys? Yeah? Yeah, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
I don't know. I don't know who, but I do
feel like I do feel like gen Z and maybe
out Jen Alpha they're responsible for that.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Like yeah, I mean not to not to also forget
that we're millennials are responsible for Perez Hilton and all
that stuff. So oh, definitely that was continued. It's kind
of like a continued tradition to just be hateful and mean,
I guess when you're young.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
But you know, the other.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Thing with Shaddy Bay two is I'm like, it's this
thing where you go the Internet will sometimes put you
up there just so that they can tear you down,
and you know, or it's kind of it's just fucked up,
Like it's messed up.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
To see that it's.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Messed up because on each live that I see because
I'm a chronically on mine, I'm an Internet investigator reporter,
she always has like one thousand to sometimes three thousand
viewers and all the comments are just so nasty, And
you know, the thing is, it's like there's a lot
of tea and she's my pages on TikTok that just

(24:17):
have so many opinions. But I'm like, y'all would be
nothing without her. You would be nothing without her and
all of these comments, like you guys are helping her
improve her like bank account, Like you guys are helping
her making more You're just like getting her more clouds.

(24:39):
And I'm also like, you guys are spending hours on
end every single day watching her and talking shit. Who
is the real? Like what I just I just am
so like internet culture when it comes to that, and
like people who are just like trolls and haters. I'm like,
you guys are spending energy and your actual time that

(25:04):
our limited time here on earth talking shit about this
person who's making a lot of money doesn't give a
fuck about you.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, I will say part of what my appeal was
about Shardi Bay, and this is particularly for celebrity in
the world, is that, like you know, when we were
first starting out and growing on the Internet, I think
that part of what was important to me and I
know it was important to you was kind of like
the interaction that we had with like people that were
watching our content, right like with seeing them and being

(25:31):
with them, and how are we kind of like holding
ourselves accountable inside of like our parasocial relationship with each other,
Like if they would leave as comments that we were like,
oh my god, we didn't mean to offend you. We
would write comments, we would release videos.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Or we would do something right.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Like I got into Chardy Bay because I was kind
of seeing the different things that people were seeing when
they were meeting her, like when they were like, Shoddy
Bay is like hi and would walk away, which I
also just like, I mean we kind of know that,
Like I'm sure she does that for certain reasons, like
because her spirit her mind must be telling her, you
know that that's okay or whatever, but it also was

(26:09):
just really fascinating for me to see her go like
and I'm out. You know, that's SpongeBob meme of just being.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Like I'm ahead out, I'm head out.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, Like that's Chardi Bay whenever she meets anybody, which
I love.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
And I'm not like a Shoddy Bay apologist or anything
like that. I'm just like, I think we can all
agree that we've seen like nobody deserves the nastiness that
she has been that she has been receiving for before
the homophobic, so she's probably said more problematic things that
are unaware of. But it's just kind of like, if

(26:43):
you don't want to platform someone, stop platforming that.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, I mean, like starve them of the attention.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Chardi bass is saying homophobic things. You know, Paris Hilton
said homophobic things, and like twenty.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Twelve, so is she Shoddy Bay? Are Paris Hilton?

Speaker 3 (27:01):
And so did God in whatever whatever? Ad So she's
a good company.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
And then apparently she's pregnant, but I don't think that's true.
Everybody's saying it's a joke, and I don't think that's true.
But as of now, Shoddy Bay is single, and she
said she's never going back to him.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
I hope you have a successful pregnancy, and I hope
that you're healthy and fulfilled in whatever you're doing, if.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
It's all true. Next on the docket is j Lo
and Ben. You know, Jaylo and Ben are getting divorced.
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I just kind of feel like number one.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
I guess in the ring, in the engagement ring or
the way ring, there's an engraving on it that says
like never leaving or like here forever or something like that,
like something like that, like.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Different definitions of forever.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
I guess it's like this time, maybe I'll be right, Okay, Yeah,
it's a hi lyric on her ring so it's kind
of sad because you're like, it sucks it that that's happening.
But one of the things that I was telling you
about it is that I kind of, in one way
don't feel sorry for her because she has kind of

(28:31):
had like a little bit of a reputation in terms
of how she is in real life, and I kind
of like to see celebrities kind of have their day
of reckoning, like if you're acting like a certain type
of person in the world, like the public should know,
like Ellen had hers. The only my only thing is
that I do feel like a lot of people like
who deserve to have the reckoning like having yet like

(28:52):
I was talking to you about like allegations against like
doctor Dre who is seen as like a billionaire in
terms of domestic abuse and stuff like that, and then
even Mark Wahlberg, you know, Marky Mark Big star Mark Wahlberg,
who I think was found guilty. I'm going to say allegedly,
but I'm pretty sure it's found guilty of being part
of a hate crime and his teens that caused somebody
to lose their eyesight, like you know, like what's going

(29:17):
on there, And so it's interesting to me that somebody
could get dragged and canceled for having a bad attitude,
But you can't do the same thing to men who
are doing like.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yes, you know, it's your eye open.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
I'm sorry, it just is there's something in it.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Then, Oh, that's a whole lot of eyeball.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
It is a lot of eyeballs. I got giant eyeballs.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I don't have like fig eyeballs at all. Even when
I'm surprised, I'm like, whoa giant. Maybe that's why we
don't get scared.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
I don't get scared haunted houses because I'm like, whoa.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
I've been taking a lot, taking in like everything. It's
like I'm seeing three sixty you know, I got eyes
in back of my head, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
But goohead.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
I was gonna say, you're like this chameleon second move
their eyes in different directions to see everything. Yeah, I'm
like the little baby moles that crawl out of the
ground and they're.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Like and then I eat you. Yeah, I agree that.
And this rolls in a little bit to the Blake
Lively dramas like do we just hate women or is
some of this justified? I think a lot of the
j Loo stuff and Blake Lively. And I'm not apologist

(30:41):
for either of them, but I think we can feel
undertones of misogyny in all of this, you know, because
we don't see the men get as scathed as the women.
You know, we're not seeing that, and if it is,
then we see it a little bit and then it
goes away and then we still see them book for
other things. But then the women, whether they do one thing,

(31:04):
are like just isolated for years, you know.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Actually not familiar with what Blake Lively did outside of
like the this is us, right, is this is business
just us?

Speaker 1 (31:15):
The movie it explains or explains, it ends with us.
So the whole Blake Lively thing is like there's been
little notes that she has been maybe a mean girl
in Hollywood. There's like an interview that resurfaced of this
interviewer complimenting Blake Lively's bump and which has been publicly

(31:37):
known at that time. She was like, congrats on your
little bump, and then Blake Lively goes, oh, congrats on
your little bump, like and it was just weird because
it was also Oh, Siama, I love her too. Hold
on a second, she give you, I see hold on?
Oh uh, Parker Posy. It was actually an interview with

(31:58):
Parker Posy and Blake Lively, and part her Posey was
also not. I think she wasn't. I think she was,
more so than Blake, trying to be more engaging in
the interview, but it was just was not. I would
definitely look up that interview. It was just not. It
didn't sit well. I she she was, she was a
little bit of a I don't know, she kind of

(32:20):
played into kind of being a little distracting in this interview,
but I think she also tried to bring it back
so many different times. But specifically everybody knows so far
if you don't know about the whole Blake Lively thing
and the it ends with us. She's a producer on
this movie. She's also the main character, the main actress.

(32:41):
This movie is about DV it's about domestic violence, and
Coline Hoover is, like you know, she's wildly popular with
this book series and there's a lot of controversy with her.
Justin Baldoni. Justin Baldoni is he was on.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
The Virgin Ye.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Jane, the version, and he is the director and the
actor of it. And in the beginning, calling Hoover and
everybody was like following him. I don't know how many
other people were following him on Instagram, but then in
the middle of the press tour they unfollowed him. And
there was a thing where like Ryan Reynolds kind of

(33:23):
and blake Lyley took over the movie and that, you know,
and Justin Baldoni was a little problematic or something with
like how he ran the whole thing, but basically that
blake Lylely was kind of a mean girl and a
tyrant and like trying to just take over this whole
thing because who knows. So that's like the alleged like

(33:50):
kind of like rumblings. But the main thing that people
are mad at her about was that during the press interviews,
this movie obviously is about DV. It has a very
strong like language and abuse like stories and everything like storylines,
and she kind of presents it as like get your girlfriends,

(34:12):
get your florals and Gussie the movie, whereas Justin Baldoni
has been like, I want this movie to sent her
women women's voice. I have done. He has a whole
podcast about like domestic violence stuff. He's been really treating
it with like, you know, not trying to step into
it too much and really centering the women, and and

(34:35):
Blake Lively has been kind of like really just using
these interviews as like to talk about her clothes and
her outfits, and like when they do get serious questions,
she kind of like does a little detour on them.
And so that rubbed people the wrong way because it's

(34:55):
like a serious movie, like if you're gonna present this
movie that has strong language of DV and then you're
gonna get your girls and florals and go see it,
and then you know, you get triggered, like it just
she just people didn't like the way she handled the
pr of it.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so interesting. And it's crazy because
you kind of go back to like when.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
People show you who they are, believe them, like what,
But then it goes back to some people are just
better at pr some people are just better at faking
the funk.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Like that guy could who knows.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
I don't know, I really I feel like for the
Blake Lively stuff, and then just in BELLDONI thing like
I'm like, I don't really know.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
We don't know, nobody knows it.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
You know, it feels it feels like white people drama.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
What I.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Feel like, I said, it feels the Blake Lively stuff.
To me felt like white folk drama. I'm like, I
don't know, bro, the rich people in the rich neighborhoods
are finding about some show.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
And there was two versions of the movie. That was
Justin's version, and then Blake LaVey had went behind Justin's
back and hired one of the editors for Deadpool to
edit her movie. And so I think, what we're I
saw the movie, what we see is Blake's version. So yeah,

(36:19):
there is a lot of a lot of things that
we just don't know, but it really just centered Blake
in the way that she was handling the press, because
I think when you're going on a press tour, it's
like I do think that women get, unfortunately the hardest,
like the brunt of it, you know, like they do

(36:40):
one thing and then all of a sudden they're a
bitch or they you know, are are too quiet, or
they're too whatever it's like. But in this case, I
can see why people are were upset about it.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Yeah, I guess it just goes back to like what
we were talking about earlier, that that's and I'm going
to cringe when I say, but that's not very demure.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Oh great transition into Demure slash Brat summer, we wanted
to talk about demure and how quickly these trends come
and go and the success of it for the creator.
So where were you when you first heard?

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I was actually mindful.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
I was actually on a date and God bless him,
sweet sweet angel man, and he was showing me this
thing that he thought was really funny. He was like,
have you seen this? This creator talking about demure? And
I'm like, I've never seen it before. So I was
watching it and I was like, oh, that's so cool.
That's so I think I saved it so I could
go back to it.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
And watch more.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
And then I kid you not, Like the next day
it was like all over the place.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Then I saw it like on TV, like I think
Lindsay Lohan and.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Like everybody in them.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, everyone's doing And I was like, I
feel like we were talking about it's it's like Dan
danieling right now and it's like, what are those right now?

Speaker 2 (38:13):
It's like very nice, like all those things that make
you curage that you're like that used to be.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Used to feel a niche and like you were like, oh,
it's so demure, Like you're like, oh that's so cool.
Like but I feel like back in the day, those
phrases like took longer to become like ill like you
still say that. Like I remember when Austin Powers was like, uh, yeah, baby,

(38:43):
a groovy baby, and it was like then it became oh,
don't quote Austin Powers, don't quote Borat like.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Leave it all behind.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
And now I feel like it's been three weeks and
I'm already cringing when I hear somebody say very denure,
very cute, see like no offense to Jewels at all,
like shout out to Jewels, shout out to.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
People who use it.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Like, but it's kind of interesting when I'm not cringing
when Jewel says it, I'm not cringing when the community
is saying it. I'm cringing more when like people, when
it's taken.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yes it's mainstream.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Co opting, yes, co opting and making it mainstream and
them taking it on makes me cringe because when I
watch Jewels, I'm not like she's saying like not at all.
It's just more like it happens faster now because I'm
like I don't want to, like I don't care, you
know what I mean, Like I'm like, no, I don't
care about like it makes me cringe, you know, like

(39:36):
it's weird.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
So I was I had seen it literally probably out
because I had, I think I was. I'd already seen Jewels.
I had not followed her yet, but she's known for
saying these things, like she's known for being super funny.
And I remember seeing it and being like, this shit

(39:58):
is gonna go viral. I need to do a video
on it, and I forgot. I forgot because I was like,
if I don't do it today or tomorrow, then people
are gonna, like, you know, it's just gonna snowball into
this bigger thing. And you know, I whenever these phrases
go viral and then it hits Twitter, which is just

(40:18):
the freaking disgusting swamp world that I sometimes love to
partake in. But they were just kind of like stop
saying demure, stop saying this and that, like just kind
of like dogging in a little bit. And come to
find out, Jules is able to fund her entire like

(40:39):
transition off of this kind of like this trend, and
Demir has been a thing for years, Like it's a
word that kind of means what do you think it means?

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Like like I like this, Yeah, well I think to
mirror is more like it's demoid.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
It's like, nah, this, well, I think it's more like this.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Oh you know, I'm giving you, I'm giving.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
The eyes like like it's more like let me see,

(41:31):
it's more like, you know, I'm just trying to hide,
like exactly modest reserved.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Like what made the trend great was that she said
it's the way and I kind of want to go
into like why I think it was so successful coming
from like a content creator, right is because the way
she packaged it was like, see how I show up
to work. I don't put I don't have a green
cut crease eyeliner. I'm very demure, very mindful. You bitches

(42:01):
could never or like you know, you can't like what
is that It's just like a green cut crease like
it's like a a cutcrease is kind of like a
it's just like a bold like eye basically okay, Like
and she was explaining she's going to work, and I
like that she packaged it in different ways because it

(42:22):
you know, it's just it just was so much. It
wasn't just that she was saying demure. She was saying mindful, classy,
cutesy like things that we all want to be, you know,
things that we all want to grab onto and be like,
I'm cutes see, I'm demure, I'm blah blah blah. And
it just it's stuck. And I think now I feel

(42:45):
like it's more commercialized because, like you said, people co
opt it and once it hits. I saw it in
a soap opera I was watching. I was watching General
Hospital because I used to watch it and I want
to see what's up with the girls, you know, and
the one of the moms was like, I tried to
Tella to make me look a little more demure, and
I was like, it's done, it's done. Yeah, it's daytime TV.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
I will say that I would like to see it
have a little bit more of life as well.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
I want to see it like in a burger King commercial.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
I would like to see the right right. Yeah, I
would like to see Jules Yes on commercial.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Me too, That's what I want to see.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
I want to see her in a burger King commercial
talking shit about all the other burgers. I want her
at McDonald's talking shit about all the other chicken nuggets,
like give her a big campaign and you know, help
her like be able to pay for many other transitions too,
you know, live your best life, diva.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
So we've come down to one of the This has
been juicy hall a little bit. I feel like we
should do this every so often and having so much
fun with this. I feel like I'm a reporter. I
watched a lot of those drama channels and I'm always
like they're so dumb. But I'm like, I'm literally a
drama channel right now, So be better. Well behind the

(44:04):
scenes when it's just you and me, like you get
access to all of the drama tee channels, you know
the channel oh girl, okay, so be better. Is this
person on TikTok who has his own company, but it's
like honey products and stuff. It's supposed to be like

(44:27):
organic and really nice and all this stuff. He always
starts out his videos by mentioning he has a degree
in marketing. He's blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
He has.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
It's very curated. He has like the TV on in
the background as he's explaining whatever it is, and it
always has like a movie of something and he's like
off to the side to like hook the adhders right,
which it always does. And the series that has kind
of given him clout is his the downfall of insert

(45:00):
the blank. One of the biggest downfall videos he's done
is the downfall of Courtney Kardashian's wellness product line called
let Me So. They feature lemmy gummies that are meant
for focus sleep, meant to make your vajunia smell better

(45:21):
and taste better, which is like yeah, So he basically
broke down why her products are bad, but why the
marketing is good. And so he's made a ton of
videos the downfall of this, the downfall of that he
fucked up, because now people are making the downfall of
be better because he went online. He went on his platform.

(45:42):
He's Canadian, by the way, and he was talking about
the downfall of Kamala Harris, of her campaign, alleging that
she's doing identity politics and that she's centering herself, like
why people should vote for hers because she's a woman,
because she's black and Indian, because she comes from the

(46:03):
middle class, because all these things, and people are like
there's no nowhere in any of her speeches. Has she
ever said any of that? That has been the vibe
of and I don't want to get too much into politics,
but like that's just been the vibe of what everybody
else is saying. You know, everybody else is noticing that,
like this will be the first woman president, the first

(46:24):
black and Indian president, South Asian president, you know, and
so these are a lot of things that people are
just saying, not coming out from her campaign or from
her mouth. And then he has a lot of other
like just weird things that kind of felt a little
maga heavy.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
So yeah, yeah, I'm like kind of like looking him
up a little bit as we're doing here.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Here's the thing. When you are centering your channel or
your content around the downfall of other people talking shit
about other people, you are putting that energy out and
it comes right back to you. And you know, there
are sleuths and like investigators, professional investigators of the internet.

(47:11):
So they dug up a lot of shit on him
and found that he's a NEPO baby that his father
received I think it was like thirty million dollars from Trump. Wow,
So everyone's like this all makes sense. And also I
just saw.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
This thing that said like making fun of him. That says, like, wait,
what did this say say?

Speaker 2 (47:36):
It says.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Kamo Harris is not going to win. I know because
I have a degree in marketing and.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
He always starts yet he always starts out his videos
with Hi, I'm so so, and I have a degree
in marketing. He shows his degree, he like holds his
degree and then everyone's like that degree is from a
school that's not like a like it's not flex like
that degree is not a flex that school is not
flex like anyone. And he's in Canada. For me, I'm

(48:05):
kind of like, mind drone fuck is business? Stay in
your lane, bro. But now that we know that, and
they broke down his company too, that his company like
he's overcharging for his products and you can you can
get these products in India for like super super cheap
that they're like, why is he selling all these products
for this price range? Making it seem like he's really

(48:26):
curated all this stuff when you can just get this
at a grocery store and like other places like so
it is wild and this is I swear to god,
this is why with all the drama channels, with all
that stuff, when you talk shit about people consistently, it's
going to come back to you and people are going

(48:46):
to start pointing the fingers at you. So do not
base your content off of calling people out. Cause the
moment someone calls you out, you're not gonna like it.
And then what do you have after that? Because what
did you base your content on? Other people?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, it's kind of true.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
You look at you know, you look at people like
Wendy Williams, who I love, I love Wendy, come back
to TV, Wendy, you know, and you look at like
a Perez Hilton, and you kind of maybe never recover
from those things after all that energy that you put out.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
So you know what's crazy.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I was watching General Hospital, right and they kept mentioning
Press Hilton, like did you see the news, Well, Press
Hilton just came out the statement about your how your
album is shitty and how blah blah blah. Well when
it's on Press Hilton, you know, your world is just
over and like nobody gives a fuck about what he

(49:39):
says anymore. Like he's still trying to be relevant, like
still to this day, and like, you know, I just
don't like the way he did our girls back in
the day, Like fuck you for the way you did
Amanda Buynes, Lindsay Lohan, all this shit like drawing just
those like coke things on that or the shitty things

(50:01):
that he would say, like fuck you.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I will say pres Hilton back in the day was
my jam Well.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, my mom and I would read a lot, but
I would I just still remember being like, this is
a disgusting human being. And I know he's apologized a
lot for the way he has acted and for some
of the things. He's taken a lot of accountability, but
it just is kind of like he's still reporting on
different celebrities and the news like that, and I'm just like, bro,

(50:31):
have you not learned?

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Is he let me see that might make me come
back to him?

Speaker 1 (50:35):
To be honest, Well, you know, if it's nostalgic for you,
that was your era, that was y'all's era. Okay, Yeah.
TikTok and YouTube and Instagram and on TikTok they really
like banned him for good and then he just keeps
coming back. Welcome to the astrology portion of the podcast.

(51:01):
Which signs are demure and which signs are bread Summer.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
That was the other one that we forgot to mention
was Brat Summer.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yes, so, I mean, and Charlie XIX said that Brat
Summer is over. Wow, she said it.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
So here we are, guys, which so it's all over.
Because if Demir is over and Brat Summer is over,
I wonder what the next big thing is going to be.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
What's the next time, Danielle, what's the next.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Let's create it right here, right now? How about Lane
and Nina? Did you see Sabrina singing by the way, Yeah,
I didn't watch all of it because I didn't. I
didn't want to watch it.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
What what did you think? Were you mad at it?

Speaker 1 (51:51):
I don't like. I don't like when people do covers
of her.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
I loved it. I don't I don't want to watch it.
I saw a little bit of it, but I think
it's so cool, and I think it's so cool.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Leave her alone if you're not down or black. Yes,
But yeah, I know, I know it was probably a
good like introducing to the next generation.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
I just I know, I know. I just don't know
why I go.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Yeah, I mean, I was trying to understand that too.
Why all the comments were so mad? But I was
looking at like I just feel like if Selena was here,
she'd be like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
The younger generation is like, you know, yes.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
And pink pants. She had put her in a song
as well. I thought that was beautiful thing. I don't know,
I don't know. I don't I don't know, but it
just I just don't know why. And it's not like
anyone who does Selena covers. It's just I think it's
like white girls. I think it's when white girls do
it like I.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
See and I kind of feel like, go ahead, white girls.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Like do they I know, I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Make some money, some more family, make that money, some
more family, make that family more money.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Like get that single out there.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
I know, I know. I don't know why. I just
feel like I don't know, and it just makes me go,
I don't know why. Sabrina Carpenter Sweet and Sweet and Sour,
Short and Sweet, amazing album. Do you know Badcam love it? Taste?

(53:30):
I love it. That's what I want to say, thank you.
I think areas are brat summer.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Fire signs and air signs are brats for sure.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
They're brat summer for sure.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yes, bumping that and we're working it out on the
remix constantly.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Yeah, and fires and earth signs and water signs are
very demure and very cute.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Not always mindful, not always mindful.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Always mindful. What do you mean they're not always mindful.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Sign they are the mindful signs will tape. They're absolutely
the most mindful signs, the ones that are.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Mindful of themselves and their own what's going on with them,
not mindful of what's going on with other people.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Cut.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Yes, fire signs and air signs aren't mindful at all.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
They're like down.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
And I didn't say that. I said, we're right summer.
But we're working it out on the remix.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
But I think that, yeah, for sure, and earth and
water are the demures, the qt C and the mindful
for sure.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Allegedly those are those are allegations that I can't subscribe to.
You're welcome, and that concludes the astrology portion of the podcast. Carlitos,
What did you think of all the Internet tea? We
went through a range of emotions, a range of different avenues.
What do you think.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I love it. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
I am so happy to see that the ecosystem of
the Internet continues to thrive. You know, it took a
chance on us and kind of really catapulted us into
different parts of our lives that we never would have
been able to get into perhaps if it wasn't for
the Internet. You know, I always say that the Internet
chose me, It found me, it found you, and it
found so many different creators that can be able to

(55:31):
take care of themselves and family just by being themselves.
And so I love it. I think it's really great.
I hope that creators can find places where they can
be successful and happy, because it can be lonely to
give yourself and sell yourself to the Internet and your
public and not tap into the things that make you

(55:52):
the most happy. I would say, he do you plead?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
When it comes down to creating content, I know it's
the it's the lowest fruit. It's the easiest way to
make content to get views quick is to talk about
people and to talk shit about people. And I think
we've seen it time and time again. Where it is
where mirrors of each other, it's energy, there's karmic stuff,

(56:16):
So don't get yourself wrapped up in it. Do something
else if there's something I don't want to. Also, like
not encourage people to speak up about something or speak
up for yourself. That's not what I'm talking about, but like,
you know, leave it for the other drama channels because
like they're gonna find something about you and you're not
gonna like that. So it never feels good. And I

(56:38):
think all of these people, you know, they're just living
their lives and guess what, we're all talking about them
so and they're making that money. So I don't have
anything else to say but do your freaking thing except
for be better, be better. You really got got you
really thought, you really thought?

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Girl?

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Anyway, thank you so much. Listening to another episode of
the Super Secret Bestie Club podcast. Curly, How can they
find You? On social media?

Speaker 3 (57:06):
You can find me at the Curly v Show on
Instagram and TikTok Maya.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Where can people find you?

Speaker 1 (57:11):
You can find me m a ya in the moment
wherever you scrow love you. Make sure to hit that
subscribe button to hear more episodes every single week. The
Super Secret Bestie Club Podcast is a production of Sonodo
in partnership with iHeartRadio's Michael Tha podcast Network.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
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