September 7, 2022 • 40 mins
Super Bestie Maya is currently living her Lizzie McGuire fantasy and traveling Europa, so the queer Latines are taking over! Sit down with Curly and bestie Tonatiuh as they chat about queerness in the Latine community, how Tonatiuh feels being a Capricorn, and how Curly makes their friendship work despite this. Get in here!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, who are you? You're not Maya. I may not
have our booty, but I sure am fruity. I'm so
sorry I made do you say that? That's all right?
Get in here. My name is Curly and I'm Maya,
and welcome to the Super Secret Best Club podcast, a
(00:21):
super secret club where we talk about super secret things,
a super secret, more time secret. In each episode, we'll
talk about love, friendships, heartbreaks, men, and of course our
favorite secrets. Who well, well, well, everybody, welcome back to
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another episode of The Super Secret bestI Club. Maya is
actually right now. She decided to just leave. L A
literally called me and was like, I'm going to Europe
and didn't invite by the way, I didn't say like
would you like to come with, just like Tolu, I
don't have it other in French and just left. But
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I invited one of my other closest friends, one of
my super angel love love Angel music babies, um in
the White World um and a not my favorite part
about them, but truly part of them, A Capricorn. If
you haven't even started, and I'm already dragging this first,
I've heard this about you, Curly. I heard that you're
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getting a lot of ship to capricorns, well, none other
than truly a cherub of a human. But baby, do
you go by your last name so you see don't
you know? No, no, I don't even say it. Wait nope, yeah,
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And I feel like your last thing sounds like you're flirting.
I mean, babe, I'm always flirting. I'm a capric are
always flitting. Um. I saw this on your TikTok. Your
best friend. I'm trying to say your last name. Your
best friend of like thirty seven years, was like, how
do I say? You're also like twenty five. I literally
was like, not you aging me? Okay, a facetrack moment.
Don't no, no, my last name doesn't exist. Don't get
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people because the people are gonna start googling me. You
should google this human. They're absolutely gorgeous and beautiful. And
I think your last name honestly, So I was like,
it sounds like you're like in my ear when you
see your last name. I mean I am in your ear.
You're wearing headphones. Girl, We'll say it one more time.
See my names you killed my father prepared to die. Well, look,
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America and everybody listening wherever you are in the world
right now, um, don't you or Donna is a super
close friend of mine. We actually you might recognize them
from a wonderful show that we're both on called Vida
or The Promised Land on ABC, which is a huge deal.
By the way, I hope you guys you might not
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know this, but it's The Land on the show ABC
and Stars, but ABC, like it's a major America for
Dona space to be everywhere, it's major. I tell you
this all the time on him like your face is
fucking on ABC. Um. And then they're also on Angeline
another show on Angeline. Only on Peacock and Angeline. I'm
one and reason Hollywood and Angeline for us is like
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the patron saint of Hollywood. In the nineties, she literally
was on every single billboard. We would wake up, go
to school and you would see this woman with her
giant boobies on every billboard, absolutely no story about who
she was. She would just show her boobs and she
was just part of the culture. And so she was
voted out. And so they voted for her to not
be on the billboards because she was too graphic. They
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voted her out. They I believe she was on the ballot.
I mean you were on the show and oh they
I mean she was on the ballot to Um run
for governor for the state of California. I mean she
still does it, like now she's like sixty something and
they're still doing the same thing. Well, she's bad because
they know that they had stopped for a long time.
They had made it so that they she couldn't do
that anymore. But I love her. I met her once,
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I like chased her down. I have I chased her
down like a weirdo. And when google her by the way,
Angeline um and she's fascinating. We almost like ran into
her in the parking lot and as we were on
to see her face, she covered her face with her fan. Yeah,
it was the most the gayest moment. I was just
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so happy to see this and I was like, oh
my god. Like she's like the original drag Queen, almost
like she is an icon. She had a bunch of
plastic surgery to make herself look like a real life Barbie.
And her whole mythology was who says that you have
to be who you were born into. I get to
decide who I am, and I'm going to create who
I am. And she was the original influencer. Um, she
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was advertising herself and just herself all over Los Angeles.
I mean she had I think the most over a
hundred billboards in Yes, she's amazing. She's amazing. Where are
you from? Yeah? I was born and raised in Last
angels I was actually born in boil Heights. Uh, maybe
I should not be giving out this information. Are people
gonna like Gmail hack me? Anyway? My mother's made a
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name is and my social Security number is. Let's say
they did Gmail, hackey? What would they find? Honestly? Really
boring stuff? My Gmail isn't particularly interesting. I think like
the most interesting is like Speedo sale advertisements. I don't
know there's a Speedo sale right now. So boring, I wink. Yeah,
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I don't do it. Don't hack because I'm so boring.
But I didn't want to talk to you too, because
we are both Latino Latino Latin X. Sure, Latino Latin X.
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What do you like? Either one works? I just don't
like Hispanic. I don't like Hispanic either. What do you
tell people when they're like, uh, like, when you what's
what's the first thing that comes out of your mouth
when you say, how do you identify? I probably I've
adapted the Latino culture um the newest update on the
diaspora of Latini da um. So I am. I'm currently
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up to date on the latest charge. And I say
Latino or I say Latina. I feel like a little
more hip. I used to be a twink, but you
know those days are over. You're still a twink now,
twas Oh my god, Oh my god, can you tell
people what a twice? So my whole thing is, there's
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a twink in the queer world is traditionally just like
a really skinny young uh, most likely from gay boy. Um.
And then I've invented the past tense of twink, which
is it was uh. And then there's also what do
you do you think that you invented that? I'm going
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to say that I did, and let me let my fantasy.
Oh my god, that is the most capricorn thing I
have ever heard. Okay, enough, we're gonna battle this out.
Why do you hate on capricorns so much? I've heard
that you're even getting hate mail from this I am getting.
It's not that I hate on capricorns, it's just that, y'all. Okay,
I've always said this my the woman that I would
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have married, and I've been straight. My very best friend
in my life, the person who if something happened to her,
I would absolutely like, check on me, tie me up,
check on me. She's like the love of my life
is a Capricorn. Okay, so when I drag Capricorn, it
is with a lot of love. It's mostly like a
thing where I'm like my capric confession, will have to
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check me and all the things like yo, stop over thinking,
like calm down, and I have to be like, can
you have a heart? Oh? I have to be like
what you just said, although it's true and factual, cut
too deep with too factual, bring it back. Really, you
shipped on me so much sometimes when we're hanging out
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for Capricorns up. But it doesn't phaze me because obviously
I don't have a heart. I was going to say
that literally one time I think I tripped or something.
It was something kind of embarrassing and currently touches my
shoulder and he's like, don't worry how no one saw,
And I go, I don't care if they saw, and
he goes, oh my god, you're such a fucking Capricor.
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That sounds like me, you literally know because also the
other things to have me like you did such an
amazing job, Like I hope you're really proud of yourself
and you're like, well it could have been better than
I'm like, oh my god, Like you're such a capricorn,
like give yourself that credit, like be kind to yourself.
Like okay, so yes, I drag you, but I'll also
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uplift you in different ways to you do. And I
feel like with caper points, there's like this um this
energy of like I invented twice and you're like I
invented twas stop trying to make touch happen. Oh my god.
Well okay, look so we're talking about out and then
the past sense of that, but basically, um, you are
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Mexican American, Yeah, Mexican Nico and I went American. Wow.
Um do you which one do you like identify with more?
I mean genetically, I'm kind of all over the place.
I did my twenty three in me because casting was
always asking are you authentically this, which I'm like, okay,
you never ask a white person if they're authentically white.
I don't know, or like from whatever country, but um,
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I am all over the place in terms of genetics,
but in terms of culture, I'm more Mexican. I don't
really know my Nica side at all. Yeah, I think, Um,
I love when you get into the culture. By the way,
this don'na. I loved when I dragged on it or
when I talk shit like it's not I'm not a bully.
This is very bully. Send help. This is so admirable.
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I will say that one time we went to this
uh lapino I think maybe Mexican and um drag bar
and we danced together, and you don't remember when you
dipped me, And I was like the moment you fell
in love with me, the moment I found out and
when I was like, whoa, because I don't look I'm
not heavy, but I'm like a thicker individual. I'm I'm
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pretty like people are always like, oh I picked you up,
like you can't pick me up, Like I'm pretty, I'm
thick and you when you dip me, I was like,
and that wasn't my twin days. That was when I
was a little hundred and fifty pounds. I'm a little lady.
As you're dipping me, does your family know about you
know about me? What like that you are queer. Oh yeah, yeah,
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I came out like twelve or thirteen. I was really young.
How did you come out? I don't think I ever
was in to be honest, I was really like, I
was a really fum child. I loved like I would
go to the McDonald's and asked for Barbie dolls instead
of the cars for my sister that I did not
have at the time, and um played with my little
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ponies and grew up in a beauty salon and was
just always like cheese men. They I remember distinctly, like
when I was like five or six, me and my
friend at the time, Marla, and Marla, if you're listening
to this, send a message. I haven't seen you since
I was five. But she was talking about how like, oh,
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when I grew up, I'm going to have a husband
who blank. And then I think I said, well, when
I grew up, my husband's going to be like this,
and she goes, you mean wife, and I said no.
So when I came out, I don't know, like I
feel like my mom was just like, what do you
want a cookie? Like we already know? How did you
tell her? Um? Basically, uh, my brother like found out
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that I was gay and not me voice cracking, it
was gay. And I was so nervous that I got
on me bow at the time, which like a AM
chat rooms for anyone remembers that. And I was texting
my best friend. I was like, oh my god, what
do I do? And she's like, you have to tell
her before your brother does, and I was like what.
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I called her and she was working and I was like, hey, mom, m,
I just need to tell you something. I'm gay and
she was like, okay, well, I'm working on congratulations. I'll
talk to you later. And oh my god, how did
he take it? After whild she come home? Was it weird?
When she got home and she's like, did you take
out the chicken? Did you take out the boil? And
You're like, I'm gay. I don't do that. Well my
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mom was like no, no, she was super chill about it.
She was just like, I love you, but I gotta go,
you know. And I think the weird part was that
I didn't have to come out to anyone else because
my mom was basically the family newsletter. So I told
her and then everybody just is like, oh he's out now,
everybody you can you can talk about her walking down
the hall where she's like he's gay. Oh my god. Um,
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was it weird with anybody in your family? Were they
like no, No, I actually was really fortunate. Like nobody
in my family was really particularly weird about it. There
was one aunt who over time became a little bit
more religious, and um, just like some small micro you know,
aggressions were said. But I was like really an adult,
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so at that point I was just like that'stumb, Like
I don't care. I came out when I was like too, well,
look at us. So then when you came out, when
was it like the like as you got older, did
you find okay? So like for me, for example, growing
up as a queer Latino person, I found that I
not only had to deal with the gender rules of
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being a man or a boy like in at this
time in twenty and not twenty but like you know,
when I was coming up in the late nineties, and
there was but I also had to live up to
a lot of Latino expectations of what people are like,
what people expect men to be like, right, So like
you know, at one point I shaved my head and
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I was like, um, wearing like Rocke wear and on
John and then I got the Caesar haircut and I
was in fitted ball caps because I was like, well,
this is what we look like. Traditionally, I make sure
I was at a barber every two weeks since I
was getting my little like like faith but like my
little love handle when we get like the thin sideburns
that would turn into your little like goateee, my little
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earrings in not contouring with a beard like he's literally
over here contouring down his cheek. How how was it
for you? Though? I mean I don't know if I mean.
Gender for me was such a weird thing because, um,
well I look like a lesbian prey mantis at the
age of twelve and thirteen. Um, and people were asking
me my pronouns before it became a thing, like people weren't.
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They weren't sure if I was a man or a woman. Um.
And it didn't help that I was also plucking my
eyebrows like dalia um so that mad. So did you
own it though? Did you like it? Yeah? So? At first,
like I didn't. I just was awkward and like weird shaped.
And then I got into high school and there was
this a friend of mine in the in my theater
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when I one class um Michael Colara, God bless him.
If Michael, if you're listening, I haven't seen you in
a long time, come back into my life. Anyway. I
saw you pass. They're not They're really not. But that's
the Capricorn energy that I bring. You never know. This
world is small. You're like Mrs Hopkins from the second grade.
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If you're listening to this, dad, if you're listening to this,
call me, I haven't seen you in a long time.
Not dad, by the way, he mentioned your dad at Also,
I like scratched the questions like what was that Tierra
Marie song. I had no Daddy Brown when I was
growing up. That's why. And I'll give a hut anyway,
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this is why I love you. This is our usual
conversations that in like waiters telling us what a beautiful couple.
And then I look at him and I'm like we're brothers,
and he's like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. Michael
was just like senior and he was beautiful, and he
was six ft one or two, and like I was
sewing up his own genes and had like bangs and
lip cloths and all this other stuff, and he was
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so unapologetically fem that I was like, we can do that.
And so then I started being unapologetically fem and if anyone,
if any of my bullies gave me ship like I
would fight them. I was like, fuck you. And then
I switched it up and then like my energy change,
and I went to college and I joined a fraternity,
and so I was exploring that side of me, and
then I became like a hippie and like a straight fraternity,
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like a hetero s I was like, maybe there were
two or three at the time queer people in the fraternity.
Since college, a couple of them came out, which I
was like, y'all, how do you how do you go
into I want nothing to do with this set? Man?
If I find out that there's like the ratio between
men is bigger than it is suspends in the room,
how do you go into the lions den and join
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a fraternity? Um, I don't know. With your mouth open
and your nose closed, I don't know. I'm just kidding it.
Why is your note? I understand your mathen Why is
your nose closed? They're probably not hygienic. I don't know.
I never realized, like an in freshman year, that I
had no male friends, and so I just decided to
join and in it, I found that I'm very much
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not a part of that culture. Um, but I found
some really cool people in that experience. And I think
that's why certain acting roles, I'm like, oh, I can
tap into this because I know exactly what this is
that you actually you absolutely know how to tap into
your masculine role and act like a street dude, which
to me, I could never do that. Like I every
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time anyone's like act masculine and like I have the
gayest accent, Like I literally have I draw my words
that too long? I have a gay Latino l a accent. No,
thank you, I mean it sounds good to me. Um,
what about like your um, when did you start dating? Oh? Goodness,
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we are going there. Um. Honestly, I didn't start dating
until after call it maybe like one or twenty two.
I think I didn't know how to make dating happen.
Like I didn't feel attractive, I didn't feel desirable. Uh yeah,
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and so I just didn't And I also didn't know
how to flirt with people. Albeit if you ask Curly,
he'll say that I'm constantly flirting. I was going to
see that, and now you're like a master flirter. Like literally, okay,
if you ever have a conversation with Dona have the pleasure.
I'm talking. What I feel like I know about you
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now is your your brain might people going a million
a million miles the hour, just like mine. But on
the outside you're so like hello, are you yeah? And
I'm like, don't don't talk to me. What's going on?
I'm getting dipped. I'm hangs up, hangs up the line.
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We'll be my back. It's your podcast. It's your podcast now. Um.
But like for me, dating was really hard because I
had to learn the ropes of being a queer individual,
like I would get ghosted. I think that now I'm
to me to be honest, now it's an adult. I
don't even if people ghost me. I don't care. If
I don't even notice come into mine. I mean, I know,
I definitely do notice, but I'm also like live it up, demo,
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like who cares? It felt like very early on I
had to learn the ropes of queerdom or queer the
florist of being queer if you will, and you know,
I feel like I had to learn very quickly that
we are all some of the most traumatized in the
individuals whatever met, and so it's like, how do we
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How am I going to get without a person who
as equally as a trauma as I do? Know, it's crazy,
I I think, well. I also was like a really hardcore,
anxious attacher Venus and Pisces, romantic person who was trying
to find their notebook aerial Titanic love story. You know
what I'm saying. I was putting and investing all of
my ah love, attention, soft innocence into the hands of boys,
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you know, people who just wanted to smash and like
not get too involved. And I think that I was
very sweet and sensitive, um, probably a little too sensitive honestly.
Eventually I just kind of got jaded, and then I
became that I became a part of the thing. You
become the thing, you become the thing. I'm I'm a
little bit more. I used to be there. I used
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to like write my best capcorn friend used to write
her letters and be like, one day I'm gonna get
married and I'm going to have a husband, and we're
gonna have a nice house and a little daughter, and
I would draw a little pictures of my little daughter
looked like now I'm like my spirit smoking a cigarette.
It's like, um my heart has been pickled in vodka.
And I'm like, I don't go fuck about it. No,
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you're over here smoking a cigarette. Meanwhile, I have the
trachy old thing just like I'm over nation Ship. I'm
smoking through the track like injection. We have been wounded, essentially,
is what this is. What we're saying. This is really intense.
It's weird because I feel like everybody's thirsty four romance
but also equally calloused, and it's so much easier for
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them to say something like hey you want to smash
or like send you a dick pic than to just
be like, hey, I actually kind of like you and
I would love to just watch a movie with you.
I find that I usually date men that are also
then of color and tends to be a little bit
more traditional. So like the man that I'm with right
now is a bit more traditional. I think he really
likes that there's no one out there that can claim
that they've engaged with me. And if you do, if
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you're like, oh, yeah, we did whatever, it's like we're
you my boyfriend, like we're re dating for a while,
Like it was my boyfriend. It was a relationship that
I was in, not just like a rando. Yeah, not
a rando. Or if you're like, well, I I never
met him and we thought I was like was it
seven years ago when I still drank and did drugs?
Because if you're still talking about it, that's a different person,
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I mean so different person. But also thank you for
the compliments. Leave a yelp repeal. Um, well, I'm curious.
Do you and your partner ever talk about your past
sexual experiences. One of the big things for me that
it is very important about every relationship is that I
put everything out in the open beforehand, so there's no surprises.
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Like I don't like surprises. I don't want to feel
like I'm living in the closet in any sort of way.
I give people the option to leave, to walk away
if they're not okay with any of that. Um, I'm
very like, uh, this individual who was walking into the
living room, Um, we hooked up with each other years ago,
Like I don't I don't ever want anything to catch
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whoever I'm with by surprise. I think that it's a
for me. It's respectable in a way, but it can
be hard. Literally it can be a friend and he
and something not my boyfriend now, but you know, people
would be like, um, well, y'all fucked and it leaves
kind of like that that little like um stain in
your head. And I get it, I understand, but I'm like,
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it's not been worth it. One time we made out
a one time, you know, we're doing one thing and
even work it like that. So the person that I'm dating,
they invited me to brunch and I sat down and
I met all o their friends and I shook hands
with everyone. And then the person that I sat down
in front of I had already hooked up with, and
so I know I wasn't gonna front, so I just
shook their hand. I was like, oh, hey, how are
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you It nice to see you again, and they, without
blinking and eye were just like, yeah, you two, how's
life are you more busy now? The gay says, and
I just I laughed at the audacity of that being
their first like come back, and I was like, definitely
am not that you'd remember, Like, oh my god. Emphasis
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on the acity of it, that is theasity aacity of it.
Oh yeah, so no, it was really cool because like,
did you for watching secure? Okay, well, season five, Molly
finally finds a partner and like she goes up and
she had been hooking up with his dud spoilers, She
had been hooking up with this dude and they see
him and then the guy was She just looked at
her new boyfriend and was like, oh, this is dree um.
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We used to have sex. Now we don't. And the
guy was high and just eating something and goes cool,
and that was a similar experience. He was like, did
you hook up with this person? And I was like, yeah,
we did, and this is what happened and this is
the end of it. And then he was like okay cool,
and I'm like is this weird and he goes no,
I mean you had a life before you met me. Yeah,
And that's important to remember everybody who was listening, like,
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people have had lives before they met you. It's bound
to happen before we went to move into the zodiac
section of this. Aw Um, how do you feel about
queerness now versus is what you thought about it as
a young lucky no CREEKID. Oh, that is a good question. Honestly,
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I think being young, I had no idea what it was,
and I was imagining life through the lens of straight people,
particularly straight women. So I was expecting to be swept
off my feet by some man and falling madly in
love and having a house and having kids and all
(25:10):
of that good good. Then in my twenties, I was
and I hate to say it, but I was really
disheartened and like disgusted with the community in the sense
that like I was like, oh God, like we are
all just retraumatizing each other, and like queer men are
just doomed to be single forever because we don't know
(25:32):
how to be vulnerable with each other. We are not
having the difficult conversations each other kind of like crap,
you know. And not all people. But I think like
in the romantic world, and now that I'm a little older,
I'm like kind of just a peace with um. Nothing
has to look any one way, and um, if you
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don't like your life, it's because you're the one who's
kind of creating it that way, you know. Like I
feel like if you want to be a sex positive
person and sleep with a bunch of people, and like,
there are many people who live that lifestyle, and UM
create community within that lifestyle, and they create, like, you know,
they create a really strong semblance of family within that community. UM.
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If you want to have like the more heteronormative style,
I think that's also fair and beautiful. And so now
I think like there's just a certain liberty where like
queerness doesn't have any one way of looking. And so
I'm currently in the space in my life where I'm thinking,
what is it that I want to create in the
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next ten fifteen years, UM, And I don't know what
that looks like to me, but it feels like a
like a blank canvas, um, you know, or like I
painted an old canvas that was covered with paint. I
painted it white, and I'm going to start again with
like new textures and stuff. This is where I love
you so much. That is so beautiful and so amazing.
(27:03):
My answer is very similar, Like as a young kid,
I was like, Wow, they're so beautiful, They're like mermaids,
Like they're so beautiful. I need I just want one
gay friend. And now I'm like, oh, there's cigarette in
hand picked heart and I'm like, oh god, how the
gapers And I gotta go I'll see you later. No,
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There's been so many times where I go to an
event and I'm like, what is this grinder? Live Jesus
Christ and now live the hit show Grinder. What's the
grinder song sound? Just drop it down, low girl, Dropping
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down low girl. Welcome to this week of our zod
X section with my arch nemesis, my enemy of all time.
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Uh splash my mind. We will say my friend and me.
We'll just say the sign I love to hate and
the sign that I hate to love a Capricorn. So
the first question on the docket is why are Capricorn
is the best? This is what I mean. This is
what I'm talking about. Oh my god, the audacity, emphasis
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on the acity of it all. Like I love this
for Capricorns when they're on your side, when Capricorn is
part of your team and they're just there for you.
Oh my god, Like you want a Capricorn on your side,
like if if I had a capcorn mother, if I
had like a Capricorn, Like I don't know, I have
the best friend to Capporn, but like just when in
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my life, Yes, you guys go to bat and you
will slice for people, which I love, which is really beautiful.
But today we're gonna talk about dating because I feel
like capricorns um are emotionally scented, and I want to
know what it's like, what the fuck? Literally, how do
you expect me to roll up in here and just
let you diss me like that? And we're emotionally stunned
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and we have feelings, we gonna let you run up
on it, like, yeah, tell me tell me about this please?
What you mean? Like it's just it's like it's like
we care. We actually I think apricorns are not emotionally scented.
There one of the most emotional signs is just too intense,
and so we just don't let everybody be able to
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access those feelings because it's like you don't deserve it.
What have you done to deserve all of that? Because
like once we invest like with you, you can text
me five minutes before you need me on your podcast
and I'm like, yeah, we're all up. What was up?
You needed me? Which is what I did, by the way,
I didn't want to put you on blast, but like, um,
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but you've earned that spot in my life absolutely, and
you know what about me so much? And I don't
think you're actually don't think you're mortally sensitive, and I
don't think they kept. I'm just saying it because I
like to. I like to. I will say everybody who
listens whenever I talk about Capricorns, like, I don't walk
around being like caprican kind of like I'm not. I
just like to. I feel like Capricorns can take a
little heat and maybe of all the signs, they know
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how to be playful and play back, you know what
I mean. I like to tussle. Yeah, absolutely, um, But
we're talking about like dating. What's dating like for you?
You we were talking about earlier and you mentioned you're
signs that you date that for you, I was like,
who's your capricorn? And you mentioned the sign Libra aries.
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I don't then they're interesting. Oh I wish my I
was here second read her drag her. Yeah no, I okay,
Well Libra's I just find that. I'll mean a man
and all of a sudden, I'm smiling and I'm leaning
in and I'm like blushing. I'm like, why am I
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getting so flirty right now? And then I'll turn to
him and I'll say, hey, are you a Libra? And
he goes, yeah, you know, and I'm like, I need
to go because they are wishy washy, don't know what
they want and make you think that you they promise
you the world and the next thing you know, they
out here running these streets. Wow. You know, I don't
have enough experience with libras. I always thought they were
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just kind of boring and just kind of I always
thought of libras is like um like background. You know,
I noticed the capricorn. I can smell an aries walk
through the room. I absolutely, I'm like, I'm like, oh,
that's an Aries. I know. It's like because it's like
I always do the smell spiritual cologne, Like they smell
like they're just so slaggy and they're fun and there's
like this energy about them. And I'm like, are you
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an Aries? And they're like yes. I'm like, oh god,
I gotta go. I'm the same way too. How do
you feel about let's start from time. How do you
feel about other Caprivores. I've never dated another capricorn Um.
That's it. We can move on. What about Aquarius? No,
I can't date in a claire is. Why is too much?
It's too much energy. It's just a lot. It's like
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it's like they live in their own planet, and I
don't know how to handle that because I'm like, we're
on Earth today and I don't I don't know where
you're off to in your spaceship. But I love here.
So you're mad at Aquarius as well. It's not that,
but I'm just like, I don't think I can. I
love being their friend. Where you sound a little man,
that's just my tone because I'm a Capricorn, um my
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nervous blob. What about Pisces. I love a Pisces. Oh,
they're so sweet and soft. I think they're super cute.
Capric Pisces Harries, I do too. Actually, I love a
good Pisces. They're a little too soft for me sometimes,
but I like, I like when they get a little
it's really hard for them to get upset, I think.
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And then when they finally get upset, it's like they turn.
They go from like Jean grades like the scenics, and
I'm like, oh, I love to see you Pisces destruction.
It's just it's it's the most interesting thing to watch.
You're like the whole town, You're burning the whole town town.
So you enjoy up setting pisces. Oh, I'm not upsetting them.
I'm literally just the bystander. I'm like everybody to get
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japapcorn ready. This is gonna be like, Okay, a virgo
when they fight will slice you. We have like surgical
knives and we could we slice you. Capricorns will slice
you with a butter knife. It's a little too blunt
and with these dry blood prices will burn the whole
city down and then stare in your action. Okay, who's
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after we did areas already? There spirital clone. Yeah, I
just I'm dating an areas now. And uh. They say
that Capricorn areas are like diametrically opposed because it's a
lot of cardinal energy, and I honestly do believe it
sometimes because there are some moments where I'm like, his
tone is sharp and I have to literally walk myself
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off the ledge because this he's not This is not
a front. He is not trying to attack you. It
is just a sharp tone and we can handle that.
But how of me is just like, oh, I'm gonna
take this earring off because I'm from the hood. Girl,
I don't know who you're talking to with that tone. Wow,
that's right, you said you were from the hood earlier.
What about Tauris. I love a Taurus. I love a Taurus.
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Are so cuddly, sensual, fun. I think the two earth
signs are just nice. What about Geminis. I people people
give crap to geminis all the time, but I think
they're fun. They're wild and chaotic and I kind of
like it. What about Leos, I don't know. I don't
have a lot of Leo's in my family. My mom,
I have like ten members of my family who are Leo's,
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So I think that just I'm like too too is
too familiar. Oh my god, I love leos. Both of
my Bilas are one of I'm gonna say they are
both Leos because they're both alive um in my heart, um,
and they are amazing. I think I'm only interesting because
my fire sign of Weilas and the areas of my
life made me interesting. That's fair. I mean, I've only
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dated one Leo man, and he treated me better than
almost anyone I've ever dated. It was a really sweet
and but big extravagant, like we would go out to
really expensive dinners and stuff. What about cancers. I love cancers.
I'm a cancer rising, So I really do like them.
They're very sunsy and sweet. Uh, but don't I don't.
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I've never seen a cancer. I've never dated a cancer
who's gotten mad. And I hear that like a mad
cancer or like an upset cancer is really like spooky.
Oh it's not that scary. I've literally cancers in my life.
I always laugh when they get mad because they're just like,
they're so mad. I mean, they're a little crabs they like,
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and then they just go in their little shells and
I'm like, oh, that was so cute. I will say,
they don't know how to fight. They always like punch
below the belt. Like you'll be like, oh, I'm not
really feeling going to the movies. Yeah, and that's why
your dad left you exactly. Okay, what about wait wait
at capricorna, Caarius, pisces Aries, Taurusts, Gemini, cancer, Leo virgo
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you anyway, I'm just kidding, it's fine. I always saying
whenever people drag virgos, it's okay because you have to
punch up. It's like you have to punch up, Oh
my god, hierarchy of things. It just it doesn't hurt
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us as much because you get to data virgo. Um.
I have a lot of Virgo friends. We will we
will leave you traumatized. Don't do it back. You know.
Virgos will make you and secure about like your nail
beds and be like, oh, so I see you don't
so you don't cut your cuticles? Uh huh, And then
you'll leave and be like, oh my god, I didn't
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evenalize it. Might have to train my cuticles, and then
for the rest of your life you'll never look at
your cuticles the same way. Let me checking my cuticles.
I've got baticel nail beds exactly. Don't date us. It's
just to be honest. If you like your heart, if
you like who you are as a person, don't date
a virgo. Don't date a virgo because you'll just leave
being mike. Am I wait, what's your partner's sign? Oh? Okay,
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can you take your can you take the little Oh?
The man is perfect, The man is beautiful. I have
never been literally, I could say one thing and he's like, whatever,
I'm amazing. You're like, you are amazing. But run If
you date for your own spiritual stake, run, um, what
about such a serious Oh? What you jumped half the
you jumped a quarter of the Yeah, we talked about
Libra and then oh, Scorpio. I guess you say I
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love a scorpio. Scorpio and make me laugh. I think
they're hilarious and they're a little like dirty. Does it
make sense that a lot of my placements are in Scorpio?
Oh it sure does, what abous? I don't think I've
ever dated a sagittarius, but I do like their energy.
But I don't think I can take it forever um
because I have a lot of sagittarious friends and like
they'd like to go go go, go, go, go go,
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and I like that sometimes, but I also need like
someone to just chill with and cuddle. I will say,
as my Virgo lover, I think that you are light
and your sweet and h Any room that you walk
into is a gift to be a part of. Oh
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I love you so much. I love you. It's show
I'm really nice in and humble and humble. Oh wow,
thank you so much. I appreciate you for that one.
I am, Yes, so are you. I don't know, I
don't know to take complet just kidding, delete the whole show.
Control let alrighty guys, Well, thank you so much for
joining us on another episode of The Super Secret Besty Club.
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I'm so thankful for you, Donna for joining us today.
Where can people find you on the internet? Hey, so
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T I you h And then they're feelfully to slip
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the attention. Me and my partner will look at it together. Well,
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Hey, who are you? You're not Maya. I may not
have our booty, but I sure am fruity. I'm so
sorry I made do you say that? That's all right?
Get in here. My name is Curly and I'm Maya,
and welcome to the Super Secret Best Club podcast, a
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super secret club where we talk about super secret things,
a super secret, more time secret. In each episode, we'll
talk about love, friendships, heartbreaks, men, and of course our
favorite secrets. Who well, well, well, everybody, welcome back to
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another episode of The Super Secret bestI Club. Maya is
actually right now. She decided to just leave. L A
literally called me and was like, I'm going to Europe
and didn't invite by the way, I didn't say like
would you like to come with, just like Tolu, I
don't have it other in French and just left. But
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I invited one of my other closest friends, one of
my super angel love love Angel music babies, um in
the White World um and a not my favorite part
about them, but truly part of them, A Capricorn. If
you haven't even started, and I'm already dragging this first,
I've heard this about you, Curly. I heard that you're
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getting a lot of ship to capricorns, well, none other
than truly a cherub of a human. But baby, do
you go by your last name so you see don't
you know? No, no, I don't even say it. Wait nope, yeah,
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And I feel like your last thing sounds like you're flirting.
I mean, babe, I'm always flirting. I'm a capric are
always flitting. Um. I saw this on your TikTok. Your
best friend. I'm trying to say your last name. Your
best friend of like thirty seven years, was like, how
do I say? You're also like twenty five. I literally
was like, not you aging me? Okay, a facetrack moment.
Don't no, no, my last name doesn't exist. Don't get
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people because the people are gonna start googling me. You
should google this human. They're absolutely gorgeous and beautiful. And
I think your last name honestly, So I was like,
it sounds like you're like in my ear when you
see your last name. I mean I am in your ear.
You're wearing headphones. Girl, We'll say it one more time.
See my names you killed my father prepared to die. Well, look,
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America and everybody listening wherever you are in the world
right now, um, don't you or Donna is a super
close friend of mine. We actually you might recognize them
from a wonderful show that we're both on called Vida
or The Promised Land on ABC, which is a huge deal.
By the way, I hope you guys you might not
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know this, but it's The Land on the show ABC
and Stars, but ABC, like it's a major America for
Dona space to be everywhere, it's major. I tell you
this all the time on him like your face is
fucking on ABC. Um. And then they're also on Angeline
another show on Angeline. Only on Peacock and Angeline. I'm
one and reason Hollywood and Angeline for us is like
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the patron saint of Hollywood. In the nineties, she literally
was on every single billboard. We would wake up, go
to school and you would see this woman with her
giant boobies on every billboard, absolutely no story about who
she was. She would just show her boobs and she
was just part of the culture. And so she was
voted out. And so they voted for her to not
be on the billboards because she was too graphic. They
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voted her out. They I believe she was on the ballot.
I mean you were on the show and oh they
I mean she was on the ballot to Um run
for governor for the state of California. I mean she
still does it, like now she's like sixty something and
they're still doing the same thing. Well, she's bad because
they know that they had stopped for a long time.
They had made it so that they she couldn't do
that anymore. But I love her. I met her once,
(04:02):
I like chased her down. I have I chased her
down like a weirdo. And when google her by the way,
Angeline um and she's fascinating. We almost like ran into
her in the parking lot and as we were on
to see her face, she covered her face with her fan. Yeah,
it was the most the gayest moment. I was just
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so happy to see this and I was like, oh
my god. Like she's like the original drag Queen, almost
like she is an icon. She had a bunch of
plastic surgery to make herself look like a real life Barbie.
And her whole mythology was who says that you have
to be who you were born into. I get to
decide who I am, and I'm going to create who
I am. And she was the original influencer. Um, she
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was advertising herself and just herself all over Los Angeles.
I mean she had I think the most over a
hundred billboards in Yes, she's amazing. She's amazing. Where are
you from? Yeah? I was born and raised in Last
angels I was actually born in boil Heights. Uh, maybe
I should not be giving out this information. Are people
gonna like Gmail hack me? Anyway? My mother's made a
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name is and my social Security number is. Let's say
they did Gmail, hackey? What would they find? Honestly? Really
boring stuff? My Gmail isn't particularly interesting. I think like
the most interesting is like Speedo sale advertisements. I don't
know there's a Speedo sale right now. So boring, I wink. Yeah,
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I don't do it. Don't hack because I'm so boring.
But I didn't want to talk to you too, because
we are both Latino Latino Latin X. Sure, Latino Latin X.
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What do you like? Either one works? I just don't
like Hispanic. I don't like Hispanic either. What do you
tell people when they're like, uh, like, when you what's
what's the first thing that comes out of your mouth
when you say, how do you identify? I probably I've
adapted the Latino culture um the newest update on the
diaspora of Latini da um. So I am. I'm currently
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up to date on the latest charge. And I say
Latino or I say Latina. I feel like a little
more hip. I used to be a twink, but you
know those days are over. You're still a twink now,
twas Oh my god, Oh my god, can you tell
people what a twice? So my whole thing is, there's
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a twink in the queer world is traditionally just like
a really skinny young uh, most likely from gay boy. Um.
And then I've invented the past tense of twink, which
is it was uh. And then there's also what do
you do you think that you invented that? I'm going
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to say that I did, and let me let my fantasy.
Oh my god, that is the most capricorn thing I
have ever heard. Okay, enough, we're gonna battle this out.
Why do you hate on capricorns so much? I've heard
that you're even getting hate mail from this I am getting.
It's not that I hate on capricorns, it's just that, y'all. Okay,
I've always said this my the woman that I would
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have married, and I've been straight. My very best friend
in my life, the person who if something happened to her,
I would absolutely like, check on me, tie me up,
check on me. She's like the love of my life
is a Capricorn. Okay, so when I drag Capricorn, it
is with a lot of love. It's mostly like a
thing where I'm like my capric confession, will have to
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check me and all the things like yo, stop over thinking,
like calm down, and I have to be like, can
you have a heart? Oh? I have to be like
what you just said, although it's true and factual, cut
too deep with too factual, bring it back. Really, you
shipped on me so much sometimes when we're hanging out
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for Capricorns up. But it doesn't phaze me because obviously
I don't have a heart. I was going to say
that literally one time I think I tripped or something.
It was something kind of embarrassing and currently touches my
shoulder and he's like, don't worry how no one saw,
And I go, I don't care if they saw, and
he goes, oh my god, you're such a fucking Capricor.
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That sounds like me, you literally know because also the
other things to have me like you did such an
amazing job, Like I hope you're really proud of yourself
and you're like, well it could have been better than
I'm like, oh my god, Like you're such a capricorn,
like give yourself that credit, like be kind to yourself.
Like okay, so yes, I drag you, but I'll also
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uplift you in different ways to you do. And I
feel like with caper points, there's like this um this
energy of like I invented twice and you're like I
invented twas stop trying to make touch happen. Oh my god.
Well okay, look so we're talking about out and then
the past sense of that, but basically, um, you are
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Mexican American, Yeah, Mexican Nico and I went American. Wow.
Um do you which one do you like identify with more?
I mean genetically, I'm kind of all over the place.
I did my twenty three in me because casting was
always asking are you authentically this, which I'm like, okay,
you never ask a white person if they're authentically white.
I don't know, or like from whatever country, but um,
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I am all over the place in terms of genetics,
but in terms of culture, I'm more Mexican. I don't
really know my Nica side at all. Yeah, I think, Um,
I love when you get into the culture. By the way,
this don'na. I loved when I dragged on it or
when I talk shit like it's not I'm not a bully.
This is very bully. Send help. This is so admirable.
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I will say that one time we went to this
uh lapino I think maybe Mexican and um drag bar
and we danced together, and you don't remember when you
dipped me, And I was like the moment you fell
in love with me, the moment I found out and
when I was like, whoa, because I don't look I'm
not heavy, but I'm like a thicker individual. I'm I'm
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pretty like people are always like, oh I picked you up,
like you can't pick me up, Like I'm pretty, I'm
thick and you when you dip me, I was like,
and that wasn't my twin days. That was when I
was a little hundred and fifty pounds. I'm a little lady.
As you're dipping me, does your family know about you
know about me? What like that you are queer. Oh yeah, yeah,
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I came out like twelve or thirteen. I was really young.
How did you come out? I don't think I ever
was in to be honest, I was really like, I
was a really fum child. I loved like I would
go to the McDonald's and asked for Barbie dolls instead
of the cars for my sister that I did not
have at the time, and um played with my little
(10:58):
ponies and grew up in a beauty salon and was
just always like cheese men. They I remember distinctly, like
when I was like five or six, me and my
friend at the time, Marla, and Marla, if you're listening
to this, send a message. I haven't seen you since
I was five. But she was talking about how like, oh,
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when I grew up, I'm going to have a husband
who blank. And then I think I said, well, when
I grew up, my husband's going to be like this,
and she goes, you mean wife, and I said no.
So when I came out, I don't know, like I
feel like my mom was just like, what do you
want a cookie? Like we already know? How did you
tell her? Um? Basically, uh, my brother like found out
(11:45):
that I was gay and not me voice cracking, it
was gay. And I was so nervous that I got
on me bow at the time, which like a AM
chat rooms for anyone remembers that. And I was texting
my best friend. I was like, oh my god, what
do I do? And she's like, you have to tell
her before your brother does, and I was like what.
(12:07):
I called her and she was working and I was like, hey, mom, m,
I just need to tell you something. I'm gay and
she was like, okay, well, I'm working on congratulations. I'll
talk to you later. And oh my god, how did
he take it? After whild she come home? Was it weird?
When she got home and she's like, did you take
out the chicken? Did you take out the boil? And
You're like, I'm gay. I don't do that. Well my
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mom was like no, no, she was super chill about it.
She was just like, I love you, but I gotta go,
you know. And I think the weird part was that
I didn't have to come out to anyone else because
my mom was basically the family newsletter. So I told
her and then everybody just is like, oh he's out now,
everybody you can you can talk about her walking down
the hall where she's like he's gay. Oh my god. Um,
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was it weird with anybody in your family? Were they
like no, No, I actually was really fortunate. Like nobody
in my family was really particularly weird about it. There
was one aunt who over time became a little bit
more religious, and um, just like some small micro you know,
aggressions were said. But I was like really an adult,
(13:15):
so at that point I was just like that'stumb, Like
I don't care. I came out when I was like too, well,
look at us. So then when you came out, when
was it like the like as you got older, did
you find okay? So like for me, for example, growing
up as a queer Latino person, I found that I
not only had to deal with the gender rules of
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being a man or a boy like in at this
time in twenty and not twenty but like you know,
when I was coming up in the late nineties, and
there was but I also had to live up to
a lot of Latino expectations of what people are like,
what people expect men to be like, right, So like
you know, at one point I shaved my head and
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I was like, um, wearing like Rocke wear and on
John and then I got the Caesar haircut and I
was in fitted ball caps because I was like, well,
this is what we look like. Traditionally, I make sure
I was at a barber every two weeks since I
was getting my little like like faith but like my
little love handle when we get like the thin sideburns
that would turn into your little like goateee, my little
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earrings in not contouring with a beard like he's literally
over here contouring down his cheek. How how was it
for you? Though? I mean I don't know if I mean.
Gender for me was such a weird thing because, um,
well I look like a lesbian prey mantis at the
age of twelve and thirteen. Um, and people were asking
me my pronouns before it became a thing, like people weren't.
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They weren't sure if I was a man or a woman. Um.
And it didn't help that I was also plucking my
eyebrows like dalia um so that mad. So did you
own it though? Did you like it? Yeah? So? At first,
like I didn't. I just was awkward and like weird shaped.
And then I got into high school and there was
this a friend of mine in the in my theater
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when I one class um Michael Colara, God bless him.
If Michael, if you're listening, I haven't seen you in
a long time, come back into my life. Anyway. I
saw you pass. They're not They're really not. But that's
the Capricorn energy that I bring. You never know. This
world is small. You're like Mrs Hopkins from the second grade.
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If you're listening to this, dad, if you're listening to this,
call me, I haven't seen you in a long time.
Not dad, by the way, he mentioned your dad at Also,
I like scratched the questions like what was that Tierra
Marie song. I had no Daddy Brown when I was
growing up. That's why. And I'll give a hut anyway,
(15:46):
this is why I love you. This is our usual
conversations that in like waiters telling us what a beautiful couple.
And then I look at him and I'm like we're brothers,
and he's like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. Michael
was just like senior and he was beautiful, and he
was six ft one or two, and like I was
sewing up his own genes and had like bangs and
lip cloths and all this other stuff, and he was
(16:06):
so unapologetically fem that I was like, we can do that.
And so then I started being unapologetically fem and if anyone,
if any of my bullies gave me ship like I
would fight them. I was like, fuck you. And then
I switched it up and then like my energy change,
and I went to college and I joined a fraternity,
and so I was exploring that side of me, and
then I became like a hippie and like a straight fraternity,
(16:32):
like a hetero s I was like, maybe there were
two or three at the time queer people in the fraternity.
Since college, a couple of them came out, which I
was like, y'all, how do you how do you go
into I want nothing to do with this set? Man?
If I find out that there's like the ratio between
men is bigger than it is suspends in the room,
how do you go into the lions den and join
(16:52):
a fraternity? Um, I don't know. With your mouth open
and your nose closed, I don't know. I'm just kidding it.
Why is your note? I understand your mathen Why is
your nose closed? They're probably not hygienic. I don't know.
I never realized, like an in freshman year, that I
had no male friends, and so I just decided to
join and in it, I found that I'm very much
(17:12):
not a part of that culture. Um, but I found
some really cool people in that experience. And I think
that's why certain acting roles, I'm like, oh, I can
tap into this because I know exactly what this is
that you actually you absolutely know how to tap into
your masculine role and act like a street dude, which
to me, I could never do that. Like I every
(17:34):
time anyone's like act masculine and like I have the
gayest accent, Like I literally have I draw my words
that too long? I have a gay Latino l a accent. No,
thank you, I mean it sounds good to me. Um,
what about like your um, when did you start dating? Oh? Goodness,
(17:54):
we are going there. Um. Honestly, I didn't start dating
until after call it maybe like one or twenty two.
I think I didn't know how to make dating happen.
Like I didn't feel attractive, I didn't feel desirable. Uh yeah,
(18:14):
and so I just didn't And I also didn't know
how to flirt with people. Albeit if you ask Curly,
he'll say that I'm constantly flirting. I was going to
see that, and now you're like a master flirter. Like literally, okay,
if you ever have a conversation with Dona have the pleasure.
I'm talking. What I feel like I know about you
(18:35):
now is your your brain might people going a million
a million miles the hour, just like mine. But on
the outside you're so like hello, are you yeah? And
I'm like, don't don't talk to me. What's going on?
I'm getting dipped. I'm hangs up, hangs up the line.
(18:56):
We'll be my back. It's your podcast. It's your podcast now. Um.
But like for me, dating was really hard because I
had to learn the ropes of being a queer individual,
like I would get ghosted. I think that now I'm
to me to be honest, now it's an adult. I
don't even if people ghost me. I don't care. If
I don't even notice come into mine. I mean, I know,
I definitely do notice, but I'm also like live it up, demo,
(19:19):
like who cares? It felt like very early on I
had to learn the ropes of queerdom or queer the
florist of being queer if you will, and you know,
I feel like I had to learn very quickly that
we are all some of the most traumatized in the
individuals whatever met, and so it's like, how do we
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How am I going to get without a person who
as equally as a trauma as I do? Know, it's crazy,
I I think, well. I also was like a really hardcore,
anxious attacher Venus and Pisces, romantic person who was trying
to find their notebook aerial Titanic love story. You know
what I'm saying. I was putting and investing all of
my ah love, attention, soft innocence into the hands of boys,
(20:07):
you know, people who just wanted to smash and like
not get too involved. And I think that I was
very sweet and sensitive, um, probably a little too sensitive honestly.
Eventually I just kind of got jaded, and then I
became that I became a part of the thing. You
become the thing, you become the thing. I'm I'm a
little bit more. I used to be there. I used
(20:28):
to like write my best capcorn friend used to write
her letters and be like, one day I'm gonna get
married and I'm going to have a husband, and we're
gonna have a nice house and a little daughter, and
I would draw a little pictures of my little daughter
looked like now I'm like my spirit smoking a cigarette.
It's like, um my heart has been pickled in vodka.
And I'm like, I don't go fuck about it. No,
(20:51):
you're over here smoking a cigarette. Meanwhile, I have the
trachy old thing just like I'm over nation Ship. I'm
smoking through the track like injection. We have been wounded, essentially,
is what this is. What we're saying. This is really intense.
It's weird because I feel like everybody's thirsty four romance
but also equally calloused, and it's so much easier for
(21:13):
them to say something like hey you want to smash
or like send you a dick pic than to just
be like, hey, I actually kind of like you and
I would love to just watch a movie with you.
I find that I usually date men that are also
then of color and tends to be a little bit
more traditional. So like the man that I'm with right
now is a bit more traditional. I think he really
likes that there's no one out there that can claim
that they've engaged with me. And if you do, if
(21:35):
you're like, oh, yeah, we did whatever, it's like we're
you my boyfriend, like we're re dating for a while,
Like it was my boyfriend. It was a relationship that
I was in, not just like a rando. Yeah, not
a rando. Or if you're like, well, I I never
met him and we thought I was like was it
seven years ago when I still drank and did drugs?
Because if you're still talking about it, that's a different person,
(21:56):
I mean so different person. But also thank you for
the compliments. Leave a yelp repeal. Um, well, I'm curious.
Do you and your partner ever talk about your past
sexual experiences. One of the big things for me that
it is very important about every relationship is that I
put everything out in the open beforehand, so there's no surprises.
(22:17):
Like I don't like surprises. I don't want to feel
like I'm living in the closet in any sort of way.
I give people the option to leave, to walk away
if they're not okay with any of that. Um, I'm
very like, uh, this individual who was walking into the
living room, Um, we hooked up with each other years ago,
Like I don't I don't ever want anything to catch
(22:38):
whoever I'm with by surprise. I think that it's a
for me. It's respectable in a way, but it can
be hard. Literally it can be a friend and he
and something not my boyfriend now, but you know, people
would be like, um, well, y'all fucked and it leaves
kind of like that that little like um stain in
your head. And I get it, I understand, but I'm like,
(22:59):
it's not been worth it. One time we made out
a one time, you know, we're doing one thing and
even work it like that. So the person that I'm dating,
they invited me to brunch and I sat down and
I met all o their friends and I shook hands
with everyone. And then the person that I sat down
in front of I had already hooked up with, and
so I know I wasn't gonna front, so I just
shook their hand. I was like, oh, hey, how are
(23:20):
you It nice to see you again, and they, without
blinking and eye were just like, yeah, you two, how's
life are you more busy now? The gay says, and
I just I laughed at the audacity of that being
their first like come back, and I was like, definitely
am not that you'd remember, Like, oh my god. Emphasis
(23:41):
on the acity of it, that is theasity aacity of it.
Oh yeah, so no, it was really cool because like,
did you for watching secure? Okay, well, season five, Molly
finally finds a partner and like she goes up and
she had been hooking up with his dud spoilers, She
had been hooking up with this dude and they see
him and then the guy was She just looked at
her new boyfriend and was like, oh, this is dree um.
(24:04):
We used to have sex. Now we don't. And the
guy was high and just eating something and goes cool,
and that was a similar experience. He was like, did
you hook up with this person? And I was like, yeah,
we did, and this is what happened and this is
the end of it. And then he was like okay cool,
and I'm like is this weird and he goes no,
I mean you had a life before you met me. Yeah,
And that's important to remember everybody who was listening, like,
(24:26):
people have had lives before they met you. It's bound
to happen before we went to move into the zodiac
section of this. Aw Um, how do you feel about
queerness now versus is what you thought about it as
a young lucky no CREEKID. Oh, that is a good question. Honestly,
(24:49):
I think being young, I had no idea what it was,
and I was imagining life through the lens of straight people,
particularly straight women. So I was expecting to be swept
off my feet by some man and falling madly in
love and having a house and having kids and all
(25:10):
of that good good. Then in my twenties, I was
and I hate to say it, but I was really
disheartened and like disgusted with the community in the sense
that like I was like, oh God, like we are
all just retraumatizing each other, and like queer men are
just doomed to be single forever because we don't know
(25:32):
how to be vulnerable with each other. We are not
having the difficult conversations each other kind of like crap,
you know. And not all people. But I think like
in the romantic world, and now that I'm a little older,
I'm like kind of just a peace with um. Nothing
has to look any one way, and um, if you
(25:56):
don't like your life, it's because you're the one who's
kind of creating it that way, you know. Like I
feel like if you want to be a sex positive
person and sleep with a bunch of people, and like,
there are many people who live that lifestyle, and UM
create community within that lifestyle, and they create, like, you know,
they create a really strong semblance of family within that community. UM.
(26:20):
If you want to have like the more heteronormative style,
I think that's also fair and beautiful. And so now
I think like there's just a certain liberty where like
queerness doesn't have any one way of looking. And so
I'm currently in the space in my life where I'm thinking,
what is it that I want to create in the
(26:40):
next ten fifteen years, UM, And I don't know what
that looks like to me, but it feels like a
like a blank canvas, um, you know, or like I
painted an old canvas that was covered with paint. I
painted it white, and I'm going to start again with
like new textures and stuff. This is where I love
you so much. That is so beautiful and so amazing.
(27:03):
My answer is very similar, Like as a young kid,
I was like, Wow, they're so beautiful, They're like mermaids,
Like they're so beautiful. I need I just want one
gay friend. And now I'm like, oh, there's cigarette in
hand picked heart and I'm like, oh god, how the
gapers And I gotta go I'll see you later. No,
(27:23):
There's been so many times where I go to an
event and I'm like, what is this grinder? Live Jesus
Christ and now live the hit show Grinder. What's the
grinder song sound? Just drop it down, low girl, Dropping
(27:46):
down low girl. Welcome to this week of our zod
X section with my arch nemesis, my enemy of all time.
(28:06):
Uh splash my mind. We will say my friend and me.
We'll just say the sign I love to hate and
the sign that I hate to love a Capricorn. So
the first question on the docket is why are Capricorn
is the best? This is what I mean. This is
what I'm talking about. Oh my god, the audacity, emphasis
(28:31):
on the acity of it all. Like I love this
for Capricorns when they're on your side, when Capricorn is
part of your team and they're just there for you.
Oh my god, Like you want a Capricorn on your side,
like if if I had a capcorn mother, if I
had like a Capricorn, Like I don't know, I have
the best friend to Capporn, but like just when in
(28:52):
my life, Yes, you guys go to bat and you
will slice for people, which I love, which is really beautiful.
But today we're gonna talk about dating because I feel
like capricorns um are emotionally scented, and I want to
know what it's like, what the fuck? Literally, how do
you expect me to roll up in here and just
let you diss me like that? And we're emotionally stunned
(29:15):
and we have feelings, we gonna let you run up
on it, like, yeah, tell me tell me about this please?
What you mean? Like it's just it's like it's like
we care. We actually I think apricorns are not emotionally scented.
There one of the most emotional signs is just too intense,
and so we just don't let everybody be able to
(29:35):
access those feelings because it's like you don't deserve it.
What have you done to deserve all of that? Because
like once we invest like with you, you can text
me five minutes before you need me on your podcast
and I'm like, yeah, we're all up. What was up?
You needed me? Which is what I did, by the way,
I didn't want to put you on blast, but like, um,
(29:55):
but you've earned that spot in my life absolutely, and
you know what about me so much? And I don't
think you're actually don't think you're mortally sensitive, and I
don't think they kept. I'm just saying it because I
like to. I like to. I will say everybody who
listens whenever I talk about Capricorns, like, I don't walk
around being like caprican kind of like I'm not. I
just like to. I feel like Capricorns can take a
little heat and maybe of all the signs, they know
(30:18):
how to be playful and play back, you know what
I mean. I like to tussle. Yeah, absolutely, um, But
we're talking about like dating. What's dating like for you?
You we were talking about earlier and you mentioned you're
signs that you date that for you, I was like,
who's your capricorn? And you mentioned the sign Libra aries.
(30:39):
I don't then they're interesting. Oh I wish my I
was here second read her drag her. Yeah no, I okay,
Well Libra's I just find that. I'll mean a man
and all of a sudden, I'm smiling and I'm leaning
in and I'm like blushing. I'm like, why am I
(31:00):
getting so flirty right now? And then I'll turn to
him and I'll say, hey, are you a Libra? And
he goes, yeah, you know, and I'm like, I need
to go because they are wishy washy, don't know what
they want and make you think that you they promise
you the world and the next thing you know, they
out here running these streets. Wow. You know, I don't
have enough experience with libras. I always thought they were
(31:21):
just kind of boring and just kind of I always
thought of libras is like um like background. You know,
I noticed the capricorn. I can smell an aries walk
through the room. I absolutely, I'm like, I'm like, oh,
that's an Aries. I know. It's like because it's like
I always do the smell spiritual cologne, Like they smell
like they're just so slaggy and they're fun and there's
like this energy about them. And I'm like, are you
(31:43):
an Aries? And they're like yes. I'm like, oh god,
I gotta go. I'm the same way too. How do
you feel about let's start from time. How do you
feel about other Caprivores. I've never dated another capricorn Um.
That's it. We can move on. What about Aquarius? No,
I can't date in a claire is. Why is too much?
It's too much energy. It's just a lot. It's like
(32:04):
it's like they live in their own planet, and I
don't know how to handle that because I'm like, we're
on Earth today and I don't I don't know where
you're off to in your spaceship. But I love here.
So you're mad at Aquarius as well. It's not that,
but I'm just like, I don't think I can. I
love being their friend. Where you sound a little man,
that's just my tone because I'm a Capricorn, um my
(32:28):
nervous blob. What about Pisces. I love a Pisces. Oh,
they're so sweet and soft. I think they're super cute.
Capric Pisces Harries, I do too. Actually, I love a
good Pisces. They're a little too soft for me sometimes,
but I like, I like when they get a little
it's really hard for them to get upset, I think.
(32:50):
And then when they finally get upset, it's like they turn.
They go from like Jean grades like the scenics, and
I'm like, oh, I love to see you Pisces destruction.
It's just it's it's the most interesting thing to watch.
You're like the whole town, You're burning the whole town town.
So you enjoy up setting pisces. Oh, I'm not upsetting them.
I'm literally just the bystander. I'm like everybody to get
(33:11):
japapcorn ready. This is gonna be like, Okay, a virgo
when they fight will slice you. We have like surgical
knives and we could we slice you. Capricorns will slice
you with a butter knife. It's a little too blunt
and with these dry blood prices will burn the whole
city down and then stare in your action. Okay, who's
(33:32):
after we did areas already? There spirital clone. Yeah, I
just I'm dating an areas now. And uh. They say
that Capricorn areas are like diametrically opposed because it's a
lot of cardinal energy, and I honestly do believe it
sometimes because there are some moments where I'm like, his
tone is sharp and I have to literally walk myself
(33:52):
off the ledge because this he's not This is not
a front. He is not trying to attack you. It
is just a sharp tone and we can handle that.
But how of me is just like, oh, I'm gonna
take this earring off because I'm from the hood. Girl,
I don't know who you're talking to with that tone. Wow,
that's right, you said you were from the hood earlier.
What about Tauris. I love a Taurus. I love a Taurus.
(34:12):
Are so cuddly, sensual, fun. I think the two earth
signs are just nice. What about Geminis. I people people
give crap to geminis all the time, but I think
they're fun. They're wild and chaotic and I kind of
like it. What about Leos, I don't know. I don't
have a lot of Leo's in my family. My mom,
I have like ten members of my family who are Leo's,
(34:33):
So I think that just I'm like too too is
too familiar. Oh my god, I love leos. Both of
my Bilas are one of I'm gonna say they are
both Leos because they're both alive um in my heart, um,
and they are amazing. I think I'm only interesting because
my fire sign of Weilas and the areas of my
life made me interesting. That's fair. I mean, I've only
(34:56):
dated one Leo man, and he treated me better than
almost anyone I've ever dated. It was a really sweet
and but big extravagant, like we would go out to
really expensive dinners and stuff. What about cancers. I love cancers.
I'm a cancer rising, So I really do like them.
They're very sunsy and sweet. Uh, but don't I don't.
(35:17):
I've never seen a cancer. I've never dated a cancer
who's gotten mad. And I hear that like a mad
cancer or like an upset cancer is really like spooky.
Oh it's not that scary. I've literally cancers in my life.
I always laugh when they get mad because they're just like,
they're so mad. I mean, they're a little crabs they like,
(35:38):
and then they just go in their little shells and
I'm like, oh, that was so cute. I will say,
they don't know how to fight. They always like punch
below the belt. Like you'll be like, oh, I'm not
really feeling going to the movies. Yeah, and that's why
your dad left you exactly. Okay, what about wait wait
at capricorna, Caarius, pisces Aries, Taurusts, Gemini, cancer, Leo virgo
(36:01):
you anyway, I'm just kidding, it's fine. I always saying
whenever people drag virgos, it's okay because you have to
punch up. It's like you have to punch up, Oh
my god, hierarchy of things. It just it doesn't hurt
(36:21):
us as much because you get to data virgo. Um.
I have a lot of Virgo friends. We will we
will leave you traumatized. Don't do it back. You know.
Virgos will make you and secure about like your nail
beds and be like, oh, so I see you don't
so you don't cut your cuticles? Uh huh, And then
you'll leave and be like, oh my god, I didn't
(36:42):
evenalize it. Might have to train my cuticles, and then
for the rest of your life you'll never look at
your cuticles the same way. Let me checking my cuticles.
I've got baticel nail beds exactly. Don't date us. It's
just to be honest. If you like your heart, if
you like who you are as a person, don't date
a virgo. Don't date a virgo because you'll just leave
being mike. Am I wait, what's your partner's sign? Oh? Okay,
(37:07):
can you take your can you take the little Oh?
The man is perfect, The man is beautiful. I have
never been literally, I could say one thing and he's like, whatever,
I'm amazing. You're like, you are amazing. But run If
you date for your own spiritual stake, run, um, what
about such a serious Oh? What you jumped half the
you jumped a quarter of the Yeah, we talked about
Libra and then oh, Scorpio. I guess you say I
(37:29):
love a scorpio. Scorpio and make me laugh. I think
they're hilarious and they're a little like dirty. Does it
make sense that a lot of my placements are in Scorpio?
Oh it sure does, what abous? I don't think I've
ever dated a sagittarius, but I do like their energy.
But I don't think I can take it forever um
because I have a lot of sagittarious friends and like
they'd like to go go go, go, go, go go,
(37:50):
and I like that sometimes, but I also need like
someone to just chill with and cuddle. I will say,
as my Virgo lover, I think that you are light
and your sweet and h Any room that you walk
into is a gift to be a part of. Oh
(38:11):
I love you so much. I love you. It's show
I'm really nice in and humble and humble. Oh wow,
thank you so much. I appreciate you for that one.
I am, Yes, so are you. I don't know, I
don't know to take complet just kidding, delete the whole show.
Control let alrighty guys, Well, thank you so much for
joining us on another episode of The Super Secret Besty Club.
(38:33):
I'm so thankful for you, Donna for joining us today.
Where can people find you on the internet? Hey, so
you can find me on all social media under the
name I AM do not you T O N A
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(38:54):
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