August 7, 2023 • 37 mins
In this podcast episode, Lisa talks to Kurt Schlichter about the recent indictment of Donald Trump by the Department of Justice. They discuss the allegations, the political bias behind the charges, and the potential implications for the country. They also touch on the weaponization of government and the erosion of First Amendment rights. Kurt expresses disbelief at the charges, arguing that they are protected under the First Amendment. He criticizes the multiple indictments against Trump as politically motivated and part of an effort to manipulate the election. They discuss the danger of an official truth defined by the ruling class and the potential consequences for freedom of speech. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the iHeartRadio Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Department of Justice Special counsel Jack Smith came out with
another indictment. This time I'm having to do with January sixth.
The Federalists noted that Donald Trump has now been charged
with more than seventy five crimes, and many of them
from the Department of Justice. More than seventy five crimes.
He's probably going to be indicted out of Georgia. It
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looks like as well, what does this all mean and
what does this mean for Donald Trump? What does this
mean for the country as the people who try to
get him are destroying the country in the process. We're
going to talk to Kurt Schlichter, who's a columnist for
town Hall. He's also a former Army veteran an attorney.
We're going to get his take on all of this.
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So what does it mean? Kurts?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Next, stay with us.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's great to have you on my friend, first time
on the show, so I appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Thank you for having me. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well hopefully you still feel that way. We're done.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Let's talk about how you suck. Oh wait, this is
social media.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It's a little premature occurt, you know, I'm just getting
said all right, we'll jump into it for real. So
you know, obviously a lot's happened. So Donald Trump has
now been charged, I think, with more than seventy five
crimes at this point, you know, many of them from
the Department of Justice. This latest indictment from Jack Smith,
the Department of Justice's Special counsel. What's he alleging in
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this latest indictment that Trump did.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Well, you know, I read the forty five page complaint
and then I read it again because I thought I
might have missed something. I wasn't. I missed the crime.
Apparently it's now a conspiracy to say something that has
been decreed not to be true. And there's this thing
called the First Amendment where you're allowed to do that.
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And procedurally what they're accusing about our crimes substantively, the
defense in a fraud claim would be whether you believe
something or not. So he would have that argument because
I have no doubt he believed what Lynn Wood and
Sydney Power telling him about these soon to be released cracking.
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It's a farce and a scam. It's it's total garbage.
All the all the allegations in all the indictments against
al Trump are garbage. It's all crap. There's not a
single bit, and I'm yeah, I get exhausted by some conservatives,
but well, we we need to we need to see
how the system plays out. There is no system, okay,
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there's there's no justice system when it comes to political cases.
And we've seen that again and again. There are two
tracks of justice, which means there are no tracks of justice.
Everything that they've charged him with is completely illegitimate. It
is also substantively garbage. And I'm not a Trump supporter
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of the primary roun. I'd like to see Ron Desantus
dominated because I think he can win in the general election.
But the simple fact is this is an outrageous and
disgusting attack on a political opponent, and it is going
to change our country for the worst.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
And it might be a little bit more believable if
they hadn't have been throwing everything they can at him
since day one.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You know, it's just like it is so and.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Then now multiple indictments from multiple cities and multiple you
know that it's like an.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
All Democrat soroscots.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, like it'd be a little bit more believable if
they just try to hit him with one. It's just
this onslaught just really underscores and paints the picture of
just blatant political bias and weaponization of government.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
That's true. And it's the thing is this is I mean,
this is earth shattering. This is an asteroid hitting the
earth ten years ago, utterly comprehensible. Now we're actually dealing
with it and the damage that these guys have done
for the short term advantage of trying to manipulate the
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election by charging Trump, which is what they're trying to do,
and what they want to do is manipulate the Republicans
and the nominating them and manipulate people in the general
to not vote for But they also want to send
a message to the rest of us that this isn't
your country. You don't have a say you're a serf.
We're going to disenfranchise you, and if you dare oppose us,
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we're going to take everything you ever owned, including your freedom.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So you think the intention is to get Donald Trump nominated,
I think.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
That's one of the intentions. They also want revenge. They
also want to send a message this does. This fulfills
a lot of roles and you know, and it further
cements the total destruction of our institutions. You know, our
institutions have stopped doing what institutions are supposed to do
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and become purely instruments of maintaining power for a garbage elite.
It's really hard to overestimate the potential damage to our society.
I look back at Roman history. I remember Caesar cross
Garubicon because they were declaring lawfair on him. What's going
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to happen here? People are going to fight back. They're
going to fight back using whatever power they have.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I think could be pretty And Smith's alleging that Trump's
claims about the twenty twenty election were false, that he
knew they were false, But how do you prove that?
I do believe, I mean, there's voter fraud in every election,
without a doubt. I do believe that Donald Trump legitimately
felt like there was voter fraud now where things maybe
played up to beget money, and you know, like by
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certain people, Like sure, what do you make of that? Like,
how does he prove that Trump knew the claims were false?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Well, first step is you're allowed to say things people
don't think are true. You're allowed under the First Amendment
to go out and tell everybody that this election was garbage. Now,
other people may have evidence that it was not, but
that doesn't matter. Even if you know it's a giant
lie and you're attempting to manipulate people to get political advantage,
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you're allowed to do that because it's the First Amendment.
You can do that. So even if he did all this,
that's protected First Amendment activity, How do you prove it?
I assume what he's gonna do is find various incidents
of people saying, well, I told Donald Trump it wasn't true,
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you know, although he had other lawyers telling him it
was true. And what they're effectively trying to do is
establish a unofficial truths that is, you are you cannot
possibly hold an opinion, an opinion that is contrary to
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what the elitist said. The elite said, this is a
perfectly fine election. It is a crime to think otherwise.
And look how that will apply to other things. What
happens when there becomes an official truth about climate change,
about gender? Why wouldn't there what? What? Why could I
not file a indictment under eighteen United States Code two
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forty one via conspiracy to violate rights about people opposing
climate change right, Well, your right to be alive, because
this was your right to vote. Why couldn't I do that?
Because we all at LISA, ninety seven percent of scientists agree.
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So now we're having now we're having courts define official truth. Well, gosh,
why do you think the official truth's going to be.
I'm thinking it's going to be exactly what our garbage
ruling class wants it to be. And that's what they want.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And that's really the direction that this is. I mean,
we saw this during COVID, right, you know. And the
sad thing is that you have willing participants with you know,
big tech or the media going along with us to
create an official truth. And when we lose the First Amendment,
when you lose a second amendment, we no longer have
a country and are really you know, that's what Jonathan
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Turley said all about about this. He noted on Twitter
he said, if you take a red pen to all
the material presumptively protected by the First Amendment, you can
reduce much of the indictment to a haiku, making the
point that you're making that this is really an attack
on the First Amendment. You know, we've really seen this
for quite some time.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Now, the problem with criminal cases like I do mostly
civil litigation. Okay, if this was a civil suit, I
would do a twelve rule twelve B six motion to
dismiss and say, your honor, assuming everything in this complaint
is factually true. Because on emotion I dismiss, you have
to assume that they are still not intelled to relief
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because what they're talking about violates no law. It is
not unlawful to express your thoughts and push an unofficial troop.
And I could have that heard, and I could attempt
to appeal it, maybe even during the case. So that's discretionary.
Criminal cases, it'll go to the judge. Judge will deny
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a motion to dismiss, and you you've got no chance
to take it up. Your next stop is the trial,
and then after the trial you can appeal it, like
Bob O'Donnell did the Virginia governor after Jack Smith convicted him,
and it eventually it was appealed up to the Supreme
Court nine zero. They threw it out because Smith did
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what he's doing here, which is taking a law and
bending and expanding and stretching it to cover condoct it
was never intended to cover and shouldn't have covered. So
there's a saying among criminals and cops, you might be
able to beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride,
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and the ride here is going through the justice system.
Force going to spend money and time and focus and
effort and emotion on defending these bogus criminal charges in
which they're trying to frame him, and you know, whether
he gets convicted or not, he's still the damage is
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still done.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Let's take a quick commercial break more with Kurt on
the other side. There's not charges at least yet that
include you know, incitement and violence on January six? Do
you think there are more charges in this arena that
are to come? Are they trying to get people to
flip right now?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And I'm sure because there are gonna be other revelations
about the Bidens and their garbage corruption, the corruption which
is actually real. So look for a superseding indictment after
you know, there's a videotape of the big guy saying
where's my ten percent? And the next day we'll see
a superseding indictment where all Trump is guilty of sedition
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whatever the hell that means.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Well, that soun's pretty wild because if you do look
at the the Hunter Biden stuff and the Biden stuff.
It's like this guy Greg Price posted this timeline on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
It's like June.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Seventh, FBI releases documents to Congress alleging the Bidens took
a ten million dollars bribe from Bresma. Next day, June eighth,
Jacksmith and tights Trump marl Lago case. And then you
go to July twenty six Hunter Biden goes to court,
rejects the sweetheart deal. July twenty seventh, jack Smith adds
more charges for Trump and the Marral logo case. And
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then you know, you continue July thirty first, Hunter Biden's
former business partner, you know, testifies before Congress about Joe Biden.
Than August first, Jacksmith, you know, indicts him on January sixth.
So they're not even really trying to hide this timeline either.
That like the like, they're not even trying to hide
anything anymore, Ert Lisa.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
They want us to know it. This is a message
we can do anything we want because we hold these institutions.
They want us to know this is this isn't it
is not ashamed of it. They want us to know
about now. I think it's very, very shortsighted because right
now our culture is kind of running on fumes. Back
when we had a real republic, normal folks like us,
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we're beyond the hypocrisy thing. You know, it would be
totally unbased. If you and I were like, well, imagine
if it's with Donald Trump Junior. Okay, that's we're past that.
We've accepted the hypocrisy. Normal people who don't do this
twenty four seven. He demonstrates their power. But the normal
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people haven't woke up. They they still give some credit. There.
There are people out there going, well, my gosh, it
is troubling that he's been charged. I mean if he's
charge I mean, they couldn't charge them for nothing. They
couldn't invent charges and try and frame the president. Why
that would never happen. But you and I are like, yeah,
that's totally happening. And more and more people are seeing it,
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and more and more people are going to get based,
and more and more the anger is going to build
up because this is unsustainable. Can you imagine one hundred
years of this, one hundred years of normal Americans living
under the birkenstocks pressed against their face by these petty fascists. Yes,
your children will be mutilated and conform to bizarre delusions.
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Yes you will disarm, Yes you will have no stay
in your government. Yes, your sons and daughters will go
fight in Ukraine. History is full of revolts, rebellions, and backlash.
And it's going to take a while because where most
Americans are used to thinking America is a free country
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with generally squared away institutions. That's monstrably not so right now.
But people will get aware of it and they will act.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
But do you really think that the rest of America
will wake up? Because, I mean, a lot of the
media is not covering the Biden stuff. I mean, the
good thing about the judge rejecting the plea deal for
Hunter Biden was that the forced mainstream media to cover it.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
So how will they wake up?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Though?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
If they're not hearing about it.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Over time, they will experience things. We had a massive
wake up during COVID when you know, you know, wear
your mask everywhere, take this vaccine that's going to protect
you from the virus, except it doesn't, And then their
kids are staying home from.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
School and suddenly they're seeing, you know, the pride flag lessons,
and you know, experience wakes people up, pain wakes people up.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
It's not going to happen fast, but it's happening. More
and more people are feeling it. More and more people
are getting angry. And then it becomes a question of
how the backlash manifests. Is it a backlash at the
ballot box? Is an American franco? You know, I don't
know what the answer is. I do know the answer
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is normal Americans aren't going to go well. You know,
living in a democrat or republic with democratic principles was fun.
But I guess I'm a serf. I just don't see
it happening.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
It sounds hyperbolic, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Know what would happen after this election though, like, because
we already saw such intervention in the previous presidential elections
from the Department of Justice and the FBI, which really
begs the question have they always been meddling in elections?
And we're just now kind of finding out and waking
up to it. And then but beyond that, you know, look,
we saw Joe Biden take the stage in Pennsylvania before
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the midterms and essentially label seventy five million Americans as
enemies of the state with the military behind them, you know,
and like a red backdrop looking like likeitarian that he is.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, like really paints a picture. But like, isn't that
what's happening?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And isn't that what's gonna happen if we lose this election,
do we lose the opportunity to take back or power
in you know, the most peaceful and in the best
way after this election.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
No, there is still the possibility of electoral victory. It's
just got to be massive. I was speaking, I'm here
in Dallas. I was speaking as a bunch of Republicans yesterday.
Very interesting, by the way, I was very open about
my position on Brian desantus. Uh, and of two hundred people,
not a single one stood up and said you need
to you need to support Trump. We need to be
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looking not Donald Trump's name was never mentioned to me.
I thought it was very interesting, very different from us
the social media world, but a case we had that
same question, you know, what what do we do? And uh,
you know we we we we have to win beyond
the margin of fraud. Uh. It is you know, hard
to uh think an election when it isn't close and
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We're just going to have to do the hard work
of convincing people. Uh, there is the possibility that these
people are ruling class who are dumb. These are let's
understand our enemies, Lisa, these are unaccomplished people. These are
cultural trust fund babies. They inherited America's institutions. They certainly
didn't build them. They're like the third generation. You know,
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you look at them.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
But they've successfully taken them over.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
To give them credit, well, they've inherited and filled them
with people like them with their fate credentials. You look
at somebody like Henry Ford, a guy with a lot
of a lot of issues, but he you know, he
invented the eight hour day, he invented the assembly line.
Then the second generation Affords and built the Mustang, made
this giant corporation. Who's the third generation of Fords? What
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have they done? Got busted for drugs? I mean these
and that's the equivalent of our ruling class. We have
one class that beat the Nazis and beat the depression,
another to put a man on the moon. This ruling
class is given as grinder and pronouns. Okay, these are
not accomplished smart people. They didn't build this stuff. They
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are unaware of history. They are deliberately ignorant because our
educational system is not about transferring knowledge, but rather transferring
cultural and social cachet and credentials, and these are not
you know, as far as oppression goes, Yeah, they can
manifest pretty well persecuting a few thousand people for thought crimes.
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But what do they do when an entire state like
Texas says we're done playing, We're not doing any of that.
What do they do turn to the military. Well, the
generals would be all for it, because the generals are garbage.
But I'm not sure that the troops would be real
happy about going and hurting their friends and family.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
So I'm a little disheartened about the twenty twenty four
election because just alone why I love DeSantis, and you know,
I know him, and I know that he would be
a very effective president. And I say effective like, look,
Trump did a great job. I'm not going to discount that,
but I say effective in the sense of DeSantis is
more disciplined and I believe would get the job done
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in a more meaningful and long lasting way than like
the executive orders and those things that have already been
overturned with Joe Biden being in office. But that being said,
I don't know if he has the juice as a
candidate to win the nomination, And then if he can't
win the nomination, how do you win a general election
if you can't convince your own people to vote for you.
And then I do think that Trump's a better candidate,
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but I worry in a general election he turns more
people out against him than for him. And so we're
we're sort of in this predicament where, you know, if
you had someone like Trump as a candidate with DeSantis's effectiveness,
we'd crush it.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
But that's not that's not where we are, and so
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I worry about our ability to win in a general election,
despite the fact that Joe Biden is essentially a weekend
at Bernie's president. But you know, but then we also
know that they have everything behind them and the systems
behind them.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I'm worried about what happens this cycle for us, and
I worry about what happens if we don't win.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I agree with I agree with almost everything you said.
I think Donald Trump is very weak in the general
election because for irrational reasons, there are about fifty three
percent of Americans who will just never vote for him. Okay,
He's like, yeah, he's a good president. Yeah, he kept
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us out of war. Yeah, the economy was great. But
you know, he called Rosie O'Donnell horse face on Twitter,
and I just can't deal with that.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
That was Mika Brazion's games. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
The Rosie o'donald thing was when that was actually like
probably one of the best responses ever begging Kelly, who
I actually really love and respect, but she was asking
about his comments on women, and then Trump was like
only Rosie O'Donnell but which was actually pretty epic. You
and I think Mika Brazinski's the horse face just we
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have to accept.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
The fact that a majority of Americans just hate this
guy and they're never going to vote for him. I think, uh,
I think Ron DeSantis would have a chance. I think
Ron Sants is proven, Uh is proven effective. Look, he
turned a purple state into a red state. That's that's important. Uh.
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But yeah, I mean he's got to win this election.
We're five months out, He's he's got about a fifty
electorate wrapped up. The no nothing's had. You know, the
he also rans the Tim Scott's and Nicky Haleys and
a Suns instance have about another twenty twenty five percent
among them, Trump between forty five and fifty five percent.
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But that's today. Remember there's a lot of people who
are not paying attention to this five months out in
the middle of August, you know, they're outfishit or you know,
taking their kids to soccer or doing other things, and
they say, who do you support? Like, I guess I
support Trump. The people who are active tend to support Destansus,
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And I think as time goes by, people will suddenly
have to think about it and start making some tactical
decisions like you were talking about can this guy win?
I like Trump, but I like Trump. I wrote a
book defending Trump. It's nothing personal, you know. I to me,
candidates are fungible. Okay. One is to say, you know,
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I I'm not loyal to any of them. I demand
they be loyal to me. If Trump can't get it done,
then I want the guy I think can, and I
think the guy who can is DeSantis. He's got to
stay alive right now. He needs to build his infrastructure,
needs to keep getting money. I think he's doing a
good job getting himself out there. I think this Newsome
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debate is going to be interesting. But he's got to
win in Iowa and New Hampshire. He's got to go
in Iowa and New Hampshire and win that. At that point,
I think people take a close look at him. That's
really his only strategy. Trump is a weak candidate because
he's only at about half of the party. You know,
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only half the party supports it. And while that's a
lot more than the other nine guys, that's not good,
that's actively bad. I will that being said, I'm going
to vote for the nominee of the Republican Party. If
it is Donald Trump, I will support him wholeheartedly and genuinely.
If it's as the Hutchinson, I'll be very surprised. I think,
(24:01):
really it's a two man race.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I might set that one out.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
If it's a you know, like I keep saying, let's
just buy it's just running zeb.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I might pass on the I might pass on the
guy that you know is okay with the mutilation of uh.
I might pass on that, you know, And I wonder too,
you know, obviously, as conservatives, we know what they're doing right,
and they know that we know what they're doing right.
But but I I you know, if you look at
some polling. I think there was like an ABC poll
I saw on Twitter before we were talking, and then
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after the New York I mean, the rest of America
they're for these indictments.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
So they're not.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I mean, I hope they wake up because you know,
regardless if it's Donald Trump or who it is, the
weaponization of government ends up. We're all going to bear
the consequences of it, right, And so yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
They're defaulting to old America, where if the Justice Department
indicted something, that's pretty good chance he did something. We're wrong,
you know. But that's not what America is now. You know,
our ruling class is gliding on fumes, is feating off
the corpse of a country that has died. But we
can bring the country back. We just need to win
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the election. And I you know, Trump is not going
to have the money he is going to He's got
to thread the needle in every single swing stage. He
did in twenty sixteen. He defied all the odds, you know,
but but but you know, hey, he had a miracle
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once he'll have one. Again, it's not a great argument.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But then to that point, you know, he also has
such name ida that does he even have to put
in the work that some of these other you know
what I mean, Like he's almost pulling to some degree
as an incumbent. So it's like, I don't know, I
go back and forth in my head and a lot
of these arguments of Victor Davis. Hansen had a good
piece recently about just like no one the hell knows,
you know what I mean, Like there's so many variables,
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you know, Like it's like there's so many How does
one human face multiple indictments in criminal indictments in multiple
cities as a human?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I mean, what toll does that take on a person?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Well, frankly, I think there's nobody who's better suited to
putting putting up with it a guy like Donald Trump. However,
it is going to take a toll. It's going to
take a toll on his time, his emotion, his focus,
which is part of the plan real people. Look, a
lot of conservatives rallied to them, and I fully understand
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that Trump is a giant middle finger to bad people.
The problem is as much fun it is to flip
people off. I prefer the joy of victory, and I
don't believe in a gracious defeat or glorious defeat. I
just want to win, and I think there are other
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people who disagree. Remember, you know, folks like you and
I have been involved in politics for a long time.
Trump run in a lot of people who haven't been.
They brought in a lot of people who came into
politics simply because of Trump. So Trump is their north star,
He's their load star. He is the point of the politics,
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the point forgot people like you and me, it's gwinn
And you know, if it's not this politician, it's the
next one. That's not what they're thinking. They're therefore Trump,
and some of them have a quasi religious belief in him.
I mean, gosh, if you look at some of the
embarrassing memes of you know, super macho jacked Trump without
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a shirt and a machine gun and he's riding a dragon,
and it's not ironic. There are there are people who,
you know, adore this guy, and I don't think we
can count on them as part of the Republican coalition
unless Trump's at the top of the ticket. What we've
got to focus on are a lot of suburban people
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who are frankly soft, who are very concerned about you know,
Trump's very concerned about mean tweets, and I think there
are more of those, and I think they can be
one back. I don't think, you know, we lost the suburbs,
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We lost those kind of soft Republicans, and I think
they are there for the taking because Biden's been so
terrible about everything. But we're not going to take a
back if we put up the guy who they hate.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Quick break more on this Trump insanity. Do you think
there's ever going to be accountability for the Bidens?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
No, Yeah, no, I don't.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I don't think there is. I I think I look,
I'm I'm more concerned and that annoysment, but I'm more
concerned with systemic accountability holding the institutions. I don't think
we know to Biden is certainly going to be impeached,
and he should be. He will escape, but we'll be
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able to show his corruption. And the reason to do
that is not to prosecute this eighty year old senile moron.
It is to demonstrate the corruption of our institutions. And
it's the institutions I care about. I want them torn down, gutted,
and rebuilt in an image befitting America, starting with the military,
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which needs to be a first institution that suffers radical
a radical rebuild. And frankly it should be because as
a hierarchical organization, it's relatively easy to reorient it quickly,
establish a massive victory early on, and use as a
template for other agencies like the DOJ, etc. So, as
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much as I'd like personal accountability for Biden and his
meth head son, I'm really interested in institutional accountability. I
want to break these institutions and reorient them in a
way where they support America rather than the interests of
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our garbage ruling class.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Is it possible to change the system, though, I mean
it seems today though that the system, the deep state,
the bureaucratic state, whatever you want to call it, has
more power than the president. And then also, I mean
you can go back and you know Ron Paul, who
I've had on a couple of times, you know, has
been right about like basically everything. I feel bad for
every thinking he was kind of off the reservation. I mean,
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the guy's been he's like nailed it. He was just
early warning us about everything. But you know he was
talking about, you know, back in the nineteen eighties that
the FBI's sole purpose was to spy on Americans. So
it's like we're talking about reforming institutions that when the
has been probably stacked against us for you know, forever.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
What you need to do is what the SANTIS has
done in Florida, which is unashamedly use your executive power.
We assume we win in twenty twenty four. Step one,
you fire Chris Ray. Step two, you tell the you
tell the FBI. I am ordering you, as the president
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to not expend any time, resources, money, or effort on
investigating anyone within my administration without my express permission. If
you do, you're misusing government funds. We will prosecute you again.
New attorney general in there, The Attorney General says, hey,
after after the pardons of all the J six people
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and all the other Republicans, including Trump who've been caught
up in this garbage, all prosecutions that might be politically
oriented must have my signature. They do not go through.
There's no independence here. I am running the DJ I
am running the Pentagon, I am running the FBI. I
was elected president. It all comes through me. I'm not
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going to let you do these things. If you misuse
government money by doing something I've ordered you not to,
I'm going to arrest you and I'm going to put
you in jail. And you simply refuse to let them act.
And that's that is a real problem for them because
Donald Trump, at his core, respected institutions. He respected academia.
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You know how he always talks about, oh, he's very impressive.
What to Harvard blah blahlah blah. If you're based, you
know that going to Harvard is not a cell. Okay,
it's not a good point. That is a bad thing.
But he respected institution. He still calls Maggie habermann, Hey, Maggie,
how's it going, Let's chaft, because he cares what the
New York Times things. You've got to hate these institutions
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and what these institutions have become. You've got to use
your power to nuture them and make it so they
cannot do the things that they want to do. And
you have to be ruthless and unashamed about you know.
I mean, you can imagine the New York Times running
an article Trump refuses to allow his you know, investigations
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of his own administration, and you have to say yes
because their proven track record of perjury, fraud, and framing people.
They have lost the respect of the American people who
elected me, and I am not going to allow them
to do this to anyone else in my administration. I
am the chief executive. I will person I must personally
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sign off on any investigation of any member of the
executive branch, period and I don't care if you don't
like it. And that kind of screws them.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
No, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I think the media stuff might just be because they
used to love him, so he's like, hey, you know
what I mean. Like it's like, I don't know, like
a scorned like lover type thing. You know.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
We're like, what happened? Like, I don't know. Is there
anything else you want to leave us with before we go?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
I'm hopeful. I have a remarkable amount of faith in
the American people decided, despite some of their recent decision making,
I think we're going to have the Republican Party take
this election very seriously. I think I think they're going
to look very carefully at who is going to be
able to win in the general election, and I suspect
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they will pick a candidate to do that, and doing
that does not mean you hate Donald Trump. I don't
hate Donald Trump. I'm grateful for Dald Trump. I think
he was a largely good but imperfect precedent. But I
don't care about Donald Trump in the sense that his
feelings are a matter of utter indifference to me. I
understand that the election in twenty twenty was rigged between
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fraud and changed rules and institutional thumbs on the scale.
I don't care that he feels bad about it and
thinks he was wrong. That it's true, but it's irrelevant,
and I think I think the Republican Party is going
to nominate someone with a good shot at winning the election. Unfortunately,
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I think they're gonna have to go up against Cavin
Newsom because don't think the Democrats are going to run
that dust puppet who's currently occupying the Oval office. But
I do think that we have a good chance of winning,
and I think if we nominate the right person, we
will be able to do some massive changes to these institutions.
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So I'm optimist.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I've heard people throw Michelle Obama's name around, so I
certainly hope that doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Now she's lazy. Did you read the interview by Obama's
biographer just came out. It's devastating. This guy. He's essentially lazy.
He's essentially a guy who wants to enjoy his privilege,
and his wife is the same way. I don't think
he wants I don't think she wants to be precedent.
(36:02):
I think she wants to be on yachts with her friends.
And I'm glad about that because there are lots of
stupid people who would vote for Michelle Obama because they've
seen her on TV, and I think it's more likely
that we'll see newsome. I'm totally counting out Kamela because
she's just terrible, and even the Democrat, she is a dumb,
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dumb lady. She is just unaccomplished. I mean, well, she
dated Montel Williams, which I can't even deal with that. Look,
I'm always going to be optimistic for America. I know
that's kind of Sonny and ragany, but the alternative is
to be totally black pilled, depressed and suicidal, and I
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refuse to do that. If I'm going out, I'm going
out on a pile of brass. It's I will never
give up the fight. I will never become a serf.
If we don't in today, then we got to win tomorrow.
And I want to win it twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
But I do too my movie have to Kurt. Thanks
so much for taking the time for joining the show.
I appreciate it. Nice to catch up with you and
have you on.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Those Kurt Slicker, I appreciate him taking the time for
joining the show. Appreciate you guys for listening as always.
Want to thank John Cass, you and my producer for
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us review on Apple Podcast. Love reading those Until next time.
Department of Justice Special counsel Jack Smith came out with
another indictment. This time I'm having to do with January sixth.
The Federalists noted that Donald Trump has now been charged
with more than seventy five crimes, and many of them
from the Department of Justice. More than seventy five crimes.
He's probably going to be indicted out of Georgia. It
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looks like as well, what does this all mean and
what does this mean for Donald Trump? What does this
mean for the country as the people who try to
get him are destroying the country in the process. We're
going to talk to Kurt Schlichter, who's a columnist for
town Hall. He's also a former Army veteran an attorney.
We're going to get his take on all of this.
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So what does it mean? Kurts?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Next, stay with us.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's great to have you on my friend, first time
on the show, so I appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Thank you for having me. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well hopefully you still feel that way. We're done.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Let's talk about how you suck. Oh wait, this is
social media.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It's a little premature occurt, you know, I'm just getting
said all right, we'll jump into it for real. So
you know, obviously a lot's happened. So Donald Trump has
now been charged, I think, with more than seventy five
crimes at this point, you know, many of them from
the Department of Justice. This latest indictment from Jack Smith,
the Department of Justice's Special counsel. What's he alleging in
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this latest indictment that Trump did.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Well, you know, I read the forty five page complaint
and then I read it again because I thought I
might have missed something. I wasn't. I missed the crime.
Apparently it's now a conspiracy to say something that has
been decreed not to be true. And there's this thing
called the First Amendment where you're allowed to do that.
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And procedurally what they're accusing about our crimes substantively, the
defense in a fraud claim would be whether you believe
something or not. So he would have that argument because
I have no doubt he believed what Lynn Wood and
Sydney Power telling him about these soon to be released cracking.
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It's a farce and a scam. It's it's total garbage.
All the all the allegations in all the indictments against
al Trump are garbage. It's all crap. There's not a
single bit, and I'm yeah, I get exhausted by some conservatives,
but well, we we need to we need to see
how the system plays out. There is no system, okay,
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there's there's no justice system when it comes to political cases.
And we've seen that again and again. There are two
tracks of justice, which means there are no tracks of justice.
Everything that they've charged him with is completely illegitimate. It
is also substantively garbage. And I'm not a Trump supporter
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of the primary roun. I'd like to see Ron Desantus
dominated because I think he can win in the general election.
But the simple fact is this is an outrageous and
disgusting attack on a political opponent, and it is going
to change our country for the worst.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
And it might be a little bit more believable if
they hadn't have been throwing everything they can at him
since day one.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You know, it's just like it is so and.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Then now multiple indictments from multiple cities and multiple you
know that it's like an.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
All Democrat soroscots.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, like it'd be a little bit more believable if
they just try to hit him with one. It's just
this onslaught just really underscores and paints the picture of
just blatant political bias and weaponization of government.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
That's true. And it's the thing is this is I mean,
this is earth shattering. This is an asteroid hitting the
earth ten years ago, utterly comprehensible. Now we're actually dealing
with it and the damage that these guys have done
for the short term advantage of trying to manipulate the
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election by charging Trump, which is what they're trying to do,
and what they want to do is manipulate the Republicans
and the nominating them and manipulate people in the general
to not vote for But they also want to send
a message to the rest of us that this isn't
your country. You don't have a say you're a serf.
We're going to disenfranchise you, and if you dare oppose us,
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we're going to take everything you ever owned, including your freedom.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So you think the intention is to get Donald Trump nominated,
I think.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
That's one of the intentions. They also want revenge. They
also want to send a message this does. This fulfills
a lot of roles and you know, and it further
cements the total destruction of our institutions. You know, our
institutions have stopped doing what institutions are supposed to do
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and become purely instruments of maintaining power for a garbage elite.
It's really hard to overestimate the potential damage to our society.
I look back at Roman history. I remember Caesar cross
Garubicon because they were declaring lawfair on him. What's going
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to happen here? People are going to fight back. They're
going to fight back using whatever power they have.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I think could be pretty And Smith's alleging that Trump's
claims about the twenty twenty election were false, that he
knew they were false, But how do you prove that?
I do believe, I mean, there's voter fraud in every election,
without a doubt. I do believe that Donald Trump legitimately
felt like there was voter fraud now where things maybe
played up to beget money, and you know, like by
(05:55):
certain people, Like sure, what do you make of that? Like,
how does he prove that Trump knew the claims were false?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Well, first step is you're allowed to say things people
don't think are true. You're allowed under the First Amendment
to go out and tell everybody that this election was garbage. Now,
other people may have evidence that it was not, but
that doesn't matter. Even if you know it's a giant
lie and you're attempting to manipulate people to get political advantage,
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you're allowed to do that because it's the First Amendment.
You can do that. So even if he did all this,
that's protected First Amendment activity, How do you prove it?
I assume what he's gonna do is find various incidents
of people saying, well, I told Donald Trump it wasn't true,
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you know, although he had other lawyers telling him it
was true. And what they're effectively trying to do is
establish a unofficial truths that is, you are you cannot
possibly hold an opinion, an opinion that is contrary to
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what the elitist said. The elite said, this is a
perfectly fine election. It is a crime to think otherwise.
And look how that will apply to other things. What
happens when there becomes an official truth about climate change,
about gender? Why wouldn't there what? What? Why could I
not file a indictment under eighteen United States Code two
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forty one via conspiracy to violate rights about people opposing
climate change right, Well, your right to be alive, because
this was your right to vote. Why couldn't I do that?
Because we all at LISA, ninety seven percent of scientists agree.
(07:51):
So now we're having now we're having courts define official truth. Well, gosh,
why do you think the official truth's going to be.
I'm thinking it's going to be exactly what our garbage
ruling class wants it to be. And that's what they want.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And that's really the direction that this is. I mean,
we saw this during COVID, right, you know. And the
sad thing is that you have willing participants with you know,
big tech or the media going along with us to
create an official truth. And when we lose the First Amendment,
when you lose a second amendment, we no longer have
a country and are really you know, that's what Jonathan
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Turley said all about about this. He noted on Twitter
he said, if you take a red pen to all
the material presumptively protected by the First Amendment, you can
reduce much of the indictment to a haiku, making the
point that you're making that this is really an attack
on the First Amendment. You know, we've really seen this
for quite some time.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Now, the problem with criminal cases like I do mostly
civil litigation. Okay, if this was a civil suit, I
would do a twelve rule twelve B six motion to
dismiss and say, your honor, assuming everything in this complaint
is factually true. Because on emotion I dismiss, you have
to assume that they are still not intelled to relief
(09:05):
because what they're talking about violates no law. It is
not unlawful to express your thoughts and push an unofficial troop.
And I could have that heard, and I could attempt
to appeal it, maybe even during the case. So that's discretionary.
Criminal cases, it'll go to the judge. Judge will deny
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a motion to dismiss, and you you've got no chance
to take it up. Your next stop is the trial,
and then after the trial you can appeal it, like
Bob O'Donnell did the Virginia governor after Jack Smith convicted him,
and it eventually it was appealed up to the Supreme
Court nine zero. They threw it out because Smith did
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what he's doing here, which is taking a law and
bending and expanding and stretching it to cover condoct it
was never intended to cover and shouldn't have covered. So
there's a saying among criminals and cops, you might be
able to beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride,
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and the ride here is going through the justice system.
Force going to spend money and time and focus and
effort and emotion on defending these bogus criminal charges in
which they're trying to frame him, and you know, whether
he gets convicted or not, he's still the damage is
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still done.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Let's take a quick commercial break more with Kurt on
the other side. There's not charges at least yet that
include you know, incitement and violence on January six? Do
you think there are more charges in this arena that
are to come? Are they trying to get people to
flip right now?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And I'm sure because there are gonna be other revelations
about the Bidens and their garbage corruption, the corruption which
is actually real. So look for a superseding indictment after
you know, there's a videotape of the big guy saying
where's my ten percent? And the next day we'll see
a superseding indictment where all Trump is guilty of sedition
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whatever the hell that means.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Well, that soun's pretty wild because if you do look
at the the Hunter Biden stuff and the Biden stuff.
It's like this guy Greg Price posted this timeline on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
It's like June.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Seventh, FBI releases documents to Congress alleging the Bidens took
a ten million dollars bribe from Bresma. Next day, June eighth,
Jacksmith and tights Trump marl Lago case. And then you
go to July twenty six Hunter Biden goes to court,
rejects the sweetheart deal. July twenty seventh, jack Smith adds
more charges for Trump and the Marral logo case. And
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then you know, you continue July thirty first, Hunter Biden's
former business partner, you know, testifies before Congress about Joe Biden.
Than August first, Jacksmith, you know, indicts him on January sixth.
So they're not even really trying to hide this timeline either.
That like the like, they're not even trying to hide
anything anymore, Ert Lisa.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
They want us to know it. This is a message
we can do anything we want because we hold these institutions.
They want us to know this is this isn't it
is not ashamed of it. They want us to know
about now. I think it's very, very shortsighted because right
now our culture is kind of running on fumes. Back
when we had a real republic, normal folks like us,
(12:30):
we're beyond the hypocrisy thing. You know, it would be
totally unbased. If you and I were like, well, imagine
if it's with Donald Trump Junior. Okay, that's we're past that.
We've accepted the hypocrisy. Normal people who don't do this
twenty four seven. He demonstrates their power. But the normal
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people haven't woke up. They they still give some credit. There.
There are people out there going, well, my gosh, it
is troubling that he's been charged. I mean if he's
charge I mean, they couldn't charge them for nothing. They
couldn't invent charges and try and frame the president. Why
that would never happen. But you and I are like, yeah,
that's totally happening. And more and more people are seeing it,
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and more and more people are going to get based,
and more and more the anger is going to build
up because this is unsustainable. Can you imagine one hundred
years of this, one hundred years of normal Americans living
under the birkenstocks pressed against their face by these petty fascists. Yes,
your children will be mutilated and conform to bizarre delusions.
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Yes you will disarm, Yes you will have no stay
in your government. Yes, your sons and daughters will go
fight in Ukraine. History is full of revolts, rebellions, and backlash.
And it's going to take a while because where most
Americans are used to thinking America is a free country
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with generally squared away institutions. That's monstrably not so right now.
But people will get aware of it and they will act.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
But do you really think that the rest of America
will wake up? Because, I mean, a lot of the
media is not covering the Biden stuff. I mean, the
good thing about the judge rejecting the plea deal for
Hunter Biden was that the forced mainstream media to cover it.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
So how will they wake up?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Though?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
If they're not hearing about it.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Over time, they will experience things. We had a massive
wake up during COVID when you know, you know, wear
your mask everywhere, take this vaccine that's going to protect
you from the virus, except it doesn't, And then their
kids are staying home from.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
School and suddenly they're seeing, you know, the pride flag lessons,
and you know, experience wakes people up, pain wakes people up.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
It's not going to happen fast, but it's happening. More
and more people are feeling it. More and more people
are getting angry. And then it becomes a question of
how the backlash manifests. Is it a backlash at the
ballot box? Is an American franco? You know, I don't
know what the answer is. I do know the answer
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is normal Americans aren't going to go well. You know,
living in a democrat or republic with democratic principles was fun.
But I guess I'm a serf. I just don't see
it happening.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
It sounds hyperbolic, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Know what would happen after this election though, like, because
we already saw such intervention in the previous presidential elections
from the Department of Justice and the FBI, which really
begs the question have they always been meddling in elections?
And we're just now kind of finding out and waking
up to it. And then but beyond that, you know, look,
we saw Joe Biden take the stage in Pennsylvania before
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the midterms and essentially label seventy five million Americans as
enemies of the state with the military behind them, you know,
and like a red backdrop looking like likeitarian that he is.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, like really paints a picture. But like, isn't that
what's happening?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And isn't that what's gonna happen if we lose this election,
do we lose the opportunity to take back or power
in you know, the most peaceful and in the best
way after this election.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
No, there is still the possibility of electoral victory. It's
just got to be massive. I was speaking, I'm here
in Dallas. I was speaking as a bunch of Republicans yesterday.
Very interesting, by the way, I was very open about
my position on Brian desantus. Uh, and of two hundred people,
not a single one stood up and said you need
to you need to support Trump. We need to be
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looking not Donald Trump's name was never mentioned to me.
I thought it was very interesting, very different from us
the social media world, but a case we had that
same question, you know, what what do we do? And uh,
you know we we we we have to win beyond
the margin of fraud. Uh. It is you know, hard
to uh think an election when it isn't close and
(17:01):
We're just going to have to do the hard work
of convincing people. Uh, there is the possibility that these
people are ruling class who are dumb. These are let's
understand our enemies, Lisa, these are unaccomplished people. These are
cultural trust fund babies. They inherited America's institutions. They certainly
didn't build them. They're like the third generation. You know,
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you look at them.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
But they've successfully taken them over.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
To give them credit, well, they've inherited and filled them
with people like them with their fate credentials. You look
at somebody like Henry Ford, a guy with a lot
of a lot of issues, but he you know, he
invented the eight hour day, he invented the assembly line.
Then the second generation Affords and built the Mustang, made
this giant corporation. Who's the third generation of Fords? What
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have they done? Got busted for drugs? I mean these
and that's the equivalent of our ruling class. We have
one class that beat the Nazis and beat the depression,
another to put a man on the moon. This ruling
class is given as grinder and pronouns. Okay, these are
not accomplished smart people. They didn't build this stuff. They
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are unaware of history. They are deliberately ignorant because our
educational system is not about transferring knowledge, but rather transferring
cultural and social cachet and credentials, and these are not
you know, as far as oppression goes, Yeah, they can
manifest pretty well persecuting a few thousand people for thought crimes.
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But what do they do when an entire state like
Texas says we're done playing, We're not doing any of that.
What do they do turn to the military. Well, the
generals would be all for it, because the generals are garbage.
But I'm not sure that the troops would be real
happy about going and hurting their friends and family.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
So I'm a little disheartened about the twenty twenty four
election because just alone why I love DeSantis, and you know,
I know him, and I know that he would be
a very effective president. And I say effective like, look,
Trump did a great job. I'm not going to discount that,
but I say effective in the sense of DeSantis is
more disciplined and I believe would get the job done
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in a more meaningful and long lasting way than like
the executive orders and those things that have already been
overturned with Joe Biden being in office. But that being said,
I don't know if he has the juice as a
candidate to win the nomination, And then if he can't
win the nomination, how do you win a general election
if you can't convince your own people to vote for you.
And then I do think that Trump's a better candidate,
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but I worry in a general election he turns more
people out against him than for him. And so we're
we're sort of in this predicament where, you know, if
you had someone like Trump as a candidate with DeSantis's effectiveness,
we'd crush it.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
But that's not that's not where we are, and so
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I worry about our ability to win in a general election,
despite the fact that Joe Biden is essentially a weekend
at Bernie's president. But you know, but then we also
know that they have everything behind them and the systems
behind them.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I'm worried about what happens this cycle for us, and
I worry about what happens if we don't win.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I agree with I agree with almost everything you said.
I think Donald Trump is very weak in the general
election because for irrational reasons, there are about fifty three
percent of Americans who will just never vote for him. Okay,
He's like, yeah, he's a good president. Yeah, he kept
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us out of war. Yeah, the economy was great. But
you know, he called Rosie O'Donnell horse face on Twitter,
and I just can't deal with that.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
That was Mika Brazion's games. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
The Rosie o'donald thing was when that was actually like
probably one of the best responses ever begging Kelly, who
I actually really love and respect, but she was asking
about his comments on women, and then Trump was like
only Rosie O'Donnell but which was actually pretty epic. You
and I think Mika Brazinski's the horse face just we
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have to accept.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
The fact that a majority of Americans just hate this
guy and they're never going to vote for him. I think, uh,
I think Ron DeSantis would have a chance. I think
Ron Sants is proven, Uh is proven effective. Look, he
turned a purple state into a red state. That's that's important. Uh.
(21:44):
But yeah, I mean he's got to win this election.
We're five months out, He's he's got about a fifty
electorate wrapped up. The no nothing's had. You know, the
he also rans the Tim Scott's and Nicky Haleys and
a Suns instance have about another twenty twenty five percent
among them, Trump between forty five and fifty five percent.
(22:08):
But that's today. Remember there's a lot of people who
are not paying attention to this five months out in
the middle of August, you know, they're outfishit or you know,
taking their kids to soccer or doing other things, and
they say, who do you support? Like, I guess I
support Trump. The people who are active tend to support Destansus,
(22:30):
And I think as time goes by, people will suddenly
have to think about it and start making some tactical
decisions like you were talking about can this guy win?
I like Trump, but I like Trump. I wrote a
book defending Trump. It's nothing personal, you know. I to me,
candidates are fungible. Okay. One is to say, you know,
(22:51):
I I'm not loyal to any of them. I demand
they be loyal to me. If Trump can't get it done,
then I want the guy I think can, and I
think the guy who can is DeSantis. He's got to
stay alive right now. He needs to build his infrastructure,
needs to keep getting money. I think he's doing a
good job getting himself out there. I think this Newsome
(23:14):
debate is going to be interesting. But he's got to
win in Iowa and New Hampshire. He's got to go
in Iowa and New Hampshire and win that. At that point,
I think people take a close look at him. That's
really his only strategy. Trump is a weak candidate because
he's only at about half of the party. You know,
(23:35):
only half the party supports it. And while that's a
lot more than the other nine guys, that's not good,
that's actively bad. I will that being said, I'm going
to vote for the nominee of the Republican Party. If
it is Donald Trump, I will support him wholeheartedly and genuinely.
If it's as the Hutchinson, I'll be very surprised. I think,
(24:01):
really it's a two man race.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I might set that one out.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
If it's a you know, like I keep saying, let's
just buy it's just running zeb.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I might pass on the I might pass on the
guy that you know is okay with the mutilation of uh.
I might pass on that, you know, And I wonder too,
you know, obviously, as conservatives, we know what they're doing right,
and they know that we know what they're doing right.
But but I I you know, if you look at
some polling. I think there was like an ABC poll
I saw on Twitter before we were talking, and then
(24:33):
after the New York I mean, the rest of America
they're for these indictments.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
So they're not.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I mean, I hope they wake up because you know,
regardless if it's Donald Trump or who it is, the
weaponization of government ends up. We're all going to bear
the consequences of it, right, And so yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
They're defaulting to old America, where if the Justice Department
indicted something, that's pretty good chance he did something. We're wrong,
you know. But that's not what America is now. You know,
our ruling class is gliding on fumes, is feating off
the corpse of a country that has died. But we
can bring the country back. We just need to win
(25:10):
the election. And I you know, Trump is not going
to have the money he is going to He's got
to thread the needle in every single swing stage. He
did in twenty sixteen. He defied all the odds, you know,
but but but you know, hey, he had a miracle
(25:30):
once he'll have one. Again, it's not a great argument.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But then to that point, you know, he also has
such name ida that does he even have to put
in the work that some of these other you know
what I mean, Like he's almost pulling to some degree
as an incumbent. So it's like, I don't know, I
go back and forth in my head and a lot
of these arguments of Victor Davis. Hansen had a good
piece recently about just like no one the hell knows,
you know what I mean, Like there's so many variables,
(25:54):
you know, Like it's like there's so many How does
one human face multiple indictments in criminal indictments in multiple
cities as a human?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I mean, what toll does that take on a person?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Well, frankly, I think there's nobody who's better suited to
putting putting up with it a guy like Donald Trump. However,
it is going to take a toll. It's going to
take a toll on his time, his emotion, his focus,
which is part of the plan real people. Look, a
lot of conservatives rallied to them, and I fully understand
(26:28):
that Trump is a giant middle finger to bad people.
The problem is as much fun it is to flip
people off. I prefer the joy of victory, and I
don't believe in a gracious defeat or glorious defeat. I
just want to win, and I think there are other
(26:51):
people who disagree. Remember, you know, folks like you and
I have been involved in politics for a long time.
Trump run in a lot of people who haven't been.
They brought in a lot of people who came into
politics simply because of Trump. So Trump is their north star,
He's their load star. He is the point of the politics,
(27:13):
the point forgot people like you and me, it's gwinn
And you know, if it's not this politician, it's the
next one. That's not what they're thinking. They're therefore Trump,
and some of them have a quasi religious belief in him.
I mean, gosh, if you look at some of the
embarrassing memes of you know, super macho jacked Trump without
(27:34):
a shirt and a machine gun and he's riding a dragon,
and it's not ironic. There are there are people who,
you know, adore this guy, and I don't think we
can count on them as part of the Republican coalition
unless Trump's at the top of the ticket. What we've
got to focus on are a lot of suburban people
(27:56):
who are frankly soft, who are very concerned about you know,
Trump's very concerned about mean tweets, and I think there
are more of those, and I think they can be
one back. I don't think, you know, we lost the suburbs,
(28:16):
We lost those kind of soft Republicans, and I think
they are there for the taking because Biden's been so
terrible about everything. But we're not going to take a
back if we put up the guy who they hate.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Quick break more on this Trump insanity. Do you think
there's ever going to be accountability for the Bidens?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
No, Yeah, no, I don't.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I don't think there is. I I think I look,
I'm I'm more concerned and that annoysment, but I'm more
concerned with systemic accountability holding the institutions. I don't think
we know to Biden is certainly going to be impeached,
and he should be. He will escape, but we'll be
(29:08):
able to show his corruption. And the reason to do
that is not to prosecute this eighty year old senile moron.
It is to demonstrate the corruption of our institutions. And
it's the institutions I care about. I want them torn down, gutted,
and rebuilt in an image befitting America, starting with the military,
(29:33):
which needs to be a first institution that suffers radical
a radical rebuild. And frankly it should be because as
a hierarchical organization, it's relatively easy to reorient it quickly,
establish a massive victory early on, and use as a
template for other agencies like the DOJ, etc. So, as
(30:00):
much as I'd like personal accountability for Biden and his
meth head son, I'm really interested in institutional accountability. I
want to break these institutions and reorient them in a
way where they support America rather than the interests of
(30:22):
our garbage ruling class.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Is it possible to change the system, though, I mean
it seems today though that the system, the deep state,
the bureaucratic state, whatever you want to call it, has
more power than the president. And then also, I mean
you can go back and you know Ron Paul, who
I've had on a couple of times, you know, has
been right about like basically everything. I feel bad for
every thinking he was kind of off the reservation. I mean,
(30:45):
the guy's been he's like nailed it. He was just
early warning us about everything. But you know he was
talking about, you know, back in the nineteen eighties that
the FBI's sole purpose was to spy on Americans. So
it's like we're talking about reforming institutions that when the
has been probably stacked against us for you know, forever.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
What you need to do is what the SANTIS has
done in Florida, which is unashamedly use your executive power.
We assume we win in twenty twenty four. Step one,
you fire Chris Ray. Step two, you tell the you
tell the FBI. I am ordering you, as the president
(31:25):
to not expend any time, resources, money, or effort on
investigating anyone within my administration without my express permission. If
you do, you're misusing government funds. We will prosecute you again.
New attorney general in there, The Attorney General says, hey,
after after the pardons of all the J six people
(31:48):
and all the other Republicans, including Trump who've been caught
up in this garbage, all prosecutions that might be politically
oriented must have my signature. They do not go through.
There's no independence here. I am running the DJ I
am running the Pentagon, I am running the FBI. I
was elected president. It all comes through me. I'm not
(32:09):
going to let you do these things. If you misuse
government money by doing something I've ordered you not to,
I'm going to arrest you and I'm going to put
you in jail. And you simply refuse to let them act.
And that's that is a real problem for them because
Donald Trump, at his core, respected institutions. He respected academia.
(32:34):
You know how he always talks about, oh, he's very impressive.
What to Harvard blah blahlah blah. If you're based, you
know that going to Harvard is not a cell. Okay,
it's not a good point. That is a bad thing.
But he respected institution. He still calls Maggie habermann, Hey, Maggie,
how's it going, Let's chaft, because he cares what the
New York Times things. You've got to hate these institutions
(32:57):
and what these institutions have become. You've got to use
your power to nuture them and make it so they
cannot do the things that they want to do. And
you have to be ruthless and unashamed about you know.
I mean, you can imagine the New York Times running
an article Trump refuses to allow his you know, investigations
(33:18):
of his own administration, and you have to say yes
because their proven track record of perjury, fraud, and framing people.
They have lost the respect of the American people who
elected me, and I am not going to allow them
to do this to anyone else in my administration. I
am the chief executive. I will person I must personally
(33:39):
sign off on any investigation of any member of the
executive branch, period and I don't care if you don't
like it. And that kind of screws them.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
No, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I think the media stuff might just be because they
used to love him, so he's like, hey, you know
what I mean. Like it's like, I don't know, like
a scorned like lover type thing. You know.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
We're like, what happened? Like, I don't know. Is there
anything else you want to leave us with before we go?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
I'm hopeful. I have a remarkable amount of faith in
the American people decided, despite some of their recent decision making,
I think we're going to have the Republican Party take
this election very seriously. I think I think they're going
to look very carefully at who is going to be
able to win in the general election, and I suspect
(34:29):
they will pick a candidate to do that, and doing
that does not mean you hate Donald Trump. I don't
hate Donald Trump. I'm grateful for Dald Trump. I think
he was a largely good but imperfect precedent. But I
don't care about Donald Trump in the sense that his
feelings are a matter of utter indifference to me. I
understand that the election in twenty twenty was rigged between
(34:53):
fraud and changed rules and institutional thumbs on the scale.
I don't care that he feels bad about it and
thinks he was wrong. That it's true, but it's irrelevant,
and I think I think the Republican Party is going
to nominate someone with a good shot at winning the election. Unfortunately,
(35:15):
I think they're gonna have to go up against Cavin
Newsom because don't think the Democrats are going to run
that dust puppet who's currently occupying the Oval office. But
I do think that we have a good chance of winning,
and I think if we nominate the right person, we
will be able to do some massive changes to these institutions.
(35:36):
So I'm optimist.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I've heard people throw Michelle Obama's name around, so I
certainly hope that doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Now she's lazy. Did you read the interview by Obama's
biographer just came out. It's devastating. This guy. He's essentially lazy.
He's essentially a guy who wants to enjoy his privilege,
and his wife is the same way. I don't think
he wants I don't think she wants to be precedent.
(36:02):
I think she wants to be on yachts with her friends.
And I'm glad about that because there are lots of
stupid people who would vote for Michelle Obama because they've
seen her on TV, and I think it's more likely
that we'll see newsome. I'm totally counting out Kamela because
she's just terrible, and even the Democrat, she is a dumb,
(36:26):
dumb lady. She is just unaccomplished. I mean, well, she
dated Montel Williams, which I can't even deal with that. Look,
I'm always going to be optimistic for America. I know
that's kind of Sonny and ragany, but the alternative is
to be totally black pilled, depressed and suicidal, and I
(36:49):
refuse to do that. If I'm going out, I'm going
out on a pile of brass. It's I will never
give up the fight. I will never become a serf.
If we don't in today, then we got to win tomorrow.
And I want to win it twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
But I do too my movie have to Kurt. Thanks
so much for taking the time for joining the show.
I appreciate it. Nice to catch up with you and
have you on.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Those Kurt Slicker, I appreciate him taking the time for
joining the show. Appreciate you guys for listening as always.
Want to thank John Cass, you and my producer for
putting the show together every Monday Thursday, but you can
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