August 17, 2023 • 23 mins
In this episode, Lisa is joined by Liz Wheeler, host of "The Liz Wheeler Show" and author of the book "Hide Your Children." They discuss various topics including the recent indictment of Donald Trump, Joe Biden's chances of being the Democratic nominee, and the issue of abortion. Liz expresses her belief that the indictment actually increases Trump's chances of becoming the Republican nominee and criticizes the left's attempts to criminalize free speech. They also discuss the misconceptions surrounding abortion and the importance of standing up for the rights of the unborn. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the iHeartRadio Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday and Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So this will be a fun one.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
We've got Liz Wheeler, the host of the Liz Wheeler
Show on my show. Liz's a friend, she's smart on everything.
So we're going to get her take on this most
recent Trump indictment. Of course, he's been indicted again, this
time out of Fulton County, Georgia, charged with thirteen counts.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Nineteen people have been charged in this.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We're going to get her take on, you know, does
she think Trump can win a general election? What does
this all mean for him? Also, Joe Biden hasn't really
been campaigning. Is he going to be in the Democrat nominee?
I want to get her take on that. But most importantly,
we're going to talk about her new book, Hydrid Children.
It talks about these attacks that we're staying on children
from the left. She identifies those groups, identifies the attacks,
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and then also lays out a groundwork for what we
can do about it. So we're going to talk to
her about her new book that is out in September,
but you can get it on pre order called Hide
Your Children. Here's Liz Wheeler, host of the Liz Wheeler Show.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well, Liz, It's great to have you on the show.
You've got a new book out which I'm looking forward
to getting into. So appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Thanks so much for having me. It's great to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It's great to have you.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
We're in obviously a pretty crazy time as a country.
I think is putting it lately. Trump's now indicted again
in a different state, Fulton County, Georgia, charged with thirteen counts.
Nineteen people have been charged. Can he win a general election?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Listen, I think that this increases his chances. I mean,
I think I had a similar reaction to a lot
of Americans. I have not yet picked a team in
the Republican primary. I don't know which candidate I'm going
to vote for to be the Republican nominee. I like
to wait until we've seen the debates and we've seen
how some of the early caucuses in primaries go. I haven't.
I know some people, especially on Twitter, have already picked sides.
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But this makes me much more likely to be on
Trump's team. I had this visceral reaction when this indictment
came down because Lisa, it's so unjust. It's I mean,
we taught we use the phrase often the weaponization of
the justice system, And I mean it's almost like that
phrase has become belittled or watered down because it's been
happening so often. But this particular indictment gave me a
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visceral reaction differently than the other ones because the allegations
are so absurd. They are claiming that he committed some
kind of conspiracy to overturn an election, a democratic election,
because he tweeted that people should watch a television channel,
because he rented rooms at the Capitol, because he wants
people to participate in the democratic process, go to legislative hearings.
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I mean, you almost can't make this stuff up, except
this precedent to criminalize free speech has been the precedent
that the left has been trying to establish through the FBI,
through the Department of Justice, through the prosecution of January
sixth defendants for the last two or three years. And
it's scary, Lisa, because the progression is not just going
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to be coming after Trumps, to be coming after Trump,
then coming after everyone associated with Trump, then coming after
anyone who ever talked about or supported Trump, then coming
after any conservative whoever said anything that the left doesn't
like it is the beginning of the criminalization of any
of our descent.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So I agree with everything you just said, except for
that it helps him in a general election. This is
what concerns me the most is even though that we
know it's complete bs and we are aware of what
the Department of Justice is doing, and what Fultland County,
Georgia is doing, and what they're doing in New York City,
I just don't think that independents see it that way.
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I think they do think he's corrupt, and so I
do worry. And then you've also got the fact that
you know he's having to spend his campaign money on
legal fees, and so what's going to be left in
a general election for advertising and for actually winning an election.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So I don't know. I just I don't It's a
big concern of mine.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You could be right on that. I suppose, I mean it.
I suppose I should. I should amend my state and
say I think that it makes him more likely to
be the Republican nominee. I don't know how it will
impact the general election. Yet, we don't even know if
he's going to be in jail. Right, they could have
pre trialed attention. They could try to put him in prison.
I don't know how that plays out in a general election,
but for the purpose of the Republican primary, I think
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it does make him more likely to be the nominee.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
It's crazy what's happening in the country. It's almost like
you're almost a disbelief at it. You know, this doesn't
seem like America anymore. Do you think Joe Biden is
going to be the Democrat nominee? I mean, he's not campaigning.
He doesn't seem to even care. You know, we saw
his response about Hawaii and there was callous, you know,
no comment why he's on vacation. What's your sense is
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he going to be the nominee?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I think so. If you'd ask me this question six
months ago, I would have had a different answer. I
thought they were teeing up Gavin Newsom to be his
heir apparent, because Gavin Newsom had proved just how far
leftist he was by how he's handled California, how he's
run California into the ground, how tyrannical he acted during COVID.
But now I don't think that they're necessarily going to
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do that. I think Joe Biden might be the nominty.
This campaigning that he's not doing this summer is exactly
the kind of campaigning he didn't do in twenty twenty.
And I know they said always campaigning from his basement
because he's elderly, he's vulnerable. It's COVID YadA, YadA, YadA.
But this is exactly what he did in twenty twenty
and it worked because their strategy wasn't to win public opinion.
Their strategy was to rig election rules and laws and procedure,
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to do ballot harvesting and universal mail in ballots and
degradation of signature verification and all targeted recruitment of different
pockets of people who they thought would vote their way.
That was really how they won in twenty twenty, and
the Republicans haven't made any visible effort or at least
demonstrated that they're effectively competing in that area with Democrats.
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That's one of the reasons I think we lost in
twenty twenty two. Republicans had one public opinion on many issues,
from inflation to Biden's botch withdrawal of Afghanistan to social
issues like critical race theory and trans ideology. Even abortion
if you look at if you ignore the pundits and
just look at the polls and the surveys. But the
reason we lost in twenty twenty two was because we
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didn't even try to compete with early voting. We didn't
try to compete during election season because we prefer election day.
And I think the Biden administration is counting on that
for twenty twenty four. Because we're now a year and
just a couple of months shy of this election, it
will be awfully hard for Republicans to catch up to
the Democrat apparatus at this point. The Democrats have had
a decade to build this up almost and Republicans are
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just sitting around twiddling their thumbs. So, yes, at this point,
I think Biden will be the nominee because I think
he's counting on winning, counting on using electioneering strategies.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, I mean, to your point, he might feel like
he doesn't even have to lift a finger.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I mean, I do worry about abortion in the sense
of and I hate admitting this because I'm pro life,
and I've actually, as i've gotten older, I don't even
believe in exceptions anymore, because you know, life is a life.
But I do worry that I am extremely far to
the right than the rest of the country on this,
and I do think it turns out women as disgusting
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as that is.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Well, I think the surveys show that the vast majority
of Americans, this is men and women, liberals and conservatives,
pro lifers, and people who identifi as pro choice want
abortion band in the third trimester. The vast majority of
Americans also want abortion band in a second trimester. It's
the left that takes this really extreme position of abortion
for any reason up until the moment of birth that
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is out of step with the American public. But we
as conservatives and Republicans, thanks to the consultant class who's
been scaring political candidates and elected officials away from talking
about abortion, we've just surrendered the narrative on abortion. And
the left has effectively taken the word abortion and rebranded it.
No longer when voters think about abortion, do they think about, well,
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what is it, what does it do? What are the
implications of abortion? Instead, the left has made people think
when they hear the word abortion, they think miscarriage, ECH topic, pregnancy,
OBGYN care, rape, incest, life of the mother, they don't
think about the vast, vast, vast majority of cases of
what abortion does to a human baby, what abortion does
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to the mother of this baby. And I think Republicans,
if we are going to be able to effectively use
state laws or states to change laws on abortion, we
have to compete for the narrative first. We're not doing that.
So maybe you feel that you're out of step with
with the American public. You feel you're far to the right,
simply because public opinion right now is being pulled so
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far to the left by extremists who themselves are out
of step with what most Americans think.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Agree with you that we don't do a great job
messaging it and talking about how morbid it is. But
you know, I wonder, even if you know Susan B.
Anthony or List or a group like that, if they
even try to go up with advertising explaining the process,
they probably would be denying the ability to do so.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I don't know think about what.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Donald Trump did. Think about what Donald Trump did in
that last presidential debate before the twenty sixteen election. He
was up on stage with Hillary Clinton and he's talking
to her about abortion, and she's saying like, oh, I
believe I'm pro choice. I believe in a women's right
to make a decision, and late term abortions happen rarely
and women are in tough decisions, and he goes, I
do not support ripping a baby limb from limb from
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the mother's womb the day before birth. And it was
funny because I lived in California at the time, in
my hairstylist was a leftist, and she literally told me
after that debate, She's like, I couldn't. I was going
to vote for Hillary Clinton and I couldn't. She's like,
I didn't vote for Donald Trump, but I couldn't vote
for Hillary Clinton. I just didn't vote at all because
that position is so extreme. And I didn't realize the
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reality of what her position was until I heard Donald
Trump say that you have to be savage. I mean,
we know this already. You have to be based, you
have to be savage included. And I'm not talking about
you and I. I think you and I are pretty
basic at pretty savage. I'm talking about elected elected officials.
I'm talking about politicians have to be unafraid to say
these things. And I think if they did it, would
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turn out differently.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
No, that's a really good point. And then also, I
think when you talk.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
To a lot of these people, when I push back
on folks, they don't understand that when you talk about rape,
in life of the mother, all these things that Democrats
try to make it seem like this is the main
emphasis of abortions. It's like less than one percent. You know,
like the almost all of abortions are elected. You know,
they're elective. They're just because someone decides, you know what,
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I don't want to be a mom, like, you know,
I'm going to end it. And that's the vast majority
of them. So, you know, even that doesn't really get
out there that much.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Even in late term abortions, late term abortions. The left
always likes to portray late term abortions as being oh,
there were serious feetal abnormalities, there was a risk to
the life of the mother, because we all are sympathetic
for of all of those you know, medical issues. But
that's not true if you look at even surveys by
the Gutmacher Institute, which is associated with Planned Parenthood, the
largest abortion business in the country, the reason that women
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get later abortions is still elective. It's because they didn't
realize they were pregnant, or they couldn't decide in the
first two trimesters, or they didn't they decided it's going
to impede their economic or educational opportunities, et cetera, etcetera.
It's all elective reasons, even for late term abortions. That's
really horrifying to people when they realize it. It's just
it's an uncomfortable topic to talk about, right, I mean,
even pro lifers, even conservatives, even religious folks. It's not
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our favorite topic to talk about. I actually don't even
like talking about it, except I feel an obligation to
stand up for the voiceless because it's so grotesque. I mean,
it makes me sick to my stomach to think of
what's being done to these babies on a daily basis.
But and so a lot of people shy away because
it's uncomfortable. But the cost of shying away is that
the left has been able to prey on especially middle
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class suburban women, and say like, hey, you won't get
the ectopic pregnancy care that you need if you have
a miscarriage. You might not be able, you might your
doctor might decline to treat you because they'll be worried
about being prosecuted. These horrible lies that just prey on
women's fears, and conservatives are just allowing the left to
manipulate women.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
It's awful, No, it's very well said.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
And they've also convinced young women that somehow, you know,
it's a rate and to completely to not account for
the fact that you're talking about, you know, human life.
So they've just they've reduced it to a club of
sales and dehumanized it intentionally. Let's take a quick commercial
break more with Liz Wheeler. We're talking about children right now,
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the Life of children. Your new book is called Highrid Children,
And having written it and done all the research, what
should parents be the most concerned about?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, this book I've been working on for a while.
I've been working on for about a year and a half,
and I didn't tell anybody for about a year because
one of my pet peeves is when people announce a
book and then I'm all excited about it and I
go to Amazon to buy it and it's not available
for like nine or ten months, and I'm like, Okay,
I wanted to read this now, not next year. So
I kept the book a secret for a while and
only announced it last month so that it comes out
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in September, so people can pre order it now and
it'll be in their mailboxes in just a couple of weeks.
It's called High and Your Children, exposing the Marxists behind
the attack on America's kids. And it started out for
me as just a question that I had, like a
lot of parents have across the country. I think a
lot of us during COVID, you know, look over our
children's shoulders on Zoom school and see these horrible things,
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critical race theory, trans ideology being poured into our children's
minds via the school system. And a lot of parents
were shocked about that because they didn't realize it had
gotten that extreme. And so it seems to me that it,
with this attack on our children's minds, was more of
a concerted effort than it had been ever before, all
of these different ways that children were being attacked. So
I set out to figure out, Okay, is this a
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concerted effort or is my perception warped? And why is
the concerted effort happening now? And it turns out that
the answer to that question is less of a why,
and more of a who is behind it? So what
I do in the book is I name the names
of the specific people who are behind the attack on
America's children. Really, the attack itself is not new. I mean,
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the Left has been trying to re engineer our society
for probably a century now, and unfortunately they've they've been
pretty successful at doing it because they've captured various institutions.
I say in the book that they've captured four out
of five of the major found dational cultural institutions in
our country. And this is very obvious to people listening.
They've captured the media, they've captured the education system, they've
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captured a lot of religious institutions, they've captured a lot
of our legal system, and they're just just about ready
to destroy the nuclear family. You could argue that there's
one element of the family that is left standing, that
being children, which maybe explains why the Left has their
site set on children. So I not only name the
names of the people behind the attack on children, I
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name the names and the organizations that are behind the
capture of our institutions. And then, Lisa, I offer a
solution that I will tell you is different than the
solution the Republican Party offers for how we can recapture
our institutions and therefore protect our children from these attacks,
which we have to do not only for the sake
of their individual souls, but because the future of our
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country demands it well.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And that's really you know why the left goes after
our children, because you know, they realize that if you
can a doctrinate the and that you control the future
of a country, get into some of the groups, you
don't have to get at everything. And I want to
leave a little bit of a cliffhanger, so people go
out and want to buy the book, but you get
into some of the groups, you know, what should people know?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, So one of the most interesting, one of the
most interesting parts are one of the chapters that I
liked the best while writing the book is the chapter
on the word woke. There's been this debate over the
word woke, what does it mean? How do you define it?
Especially among conservatives over the past six months or so.
And I trace the word woke back to its origins.
Its origin was it was coined. This idea of wokeness
was coined by a Brazilian Marxist named Paolo Friari, who
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contended that there's no such thing as objective truth, that
what we consider to be truth or knowledge is really
just the prevailing political narrative. So he contended that in
the education system, teachers shouldn't teach children facts and knowledge,
they should teach children what he called critical consciousness, which
is a way to think. It is what he really meant,
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critical consciousness is looking at the world through the lens
of Marxism. And if you look at exactly how he
taught children in Brazilian schools, taught them critical consciousness, taught
them to look at the world through this Marxist worldview,
it is wokeness. And this critical consciousness exists in the
United States today called critical pedagogy. Critical pedagogy is taught
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in American public schools everywhere in your own neighborhood, where
your child goes to school. It is hidden in social
emotional learning, which parents know is a very tricky, vague,
convoluted concept. It's not really a subject matter. It's disguised
as values education, like this is how you teach children
what's right and wrong. But the values that social emotional
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learning embrace are the values of critical consciousness from Pallo freari,
which is just a Marxist worldview. It sounds unbelievable, but
once you see it laid out, it's impossible to unsee it.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Liz, I think what they've really hurts my heart with
all of this is they're stilling the innocence of children.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
It's awful. The hardest chapter in my book to write
was the chapter on queer theory. So the transgender ideology,
the trans nonsense that we hear all the time, that
a girl can be a boy if she wants to
be a boy, can be a girl if he identifies
as one. That stuff is not just a random assortment
of nonsense. Right, the gender spectrum or the fact or
this contention that gender is not correlated to your biological sex.
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This is not just ridiculous nonsense that all came together.
These are the tenets of queer theory. Just like the
racial stuff that was taught in schools a couple of
years ago. It is still to a certain extent, but
parents have fought back against it. But the idea that
white children are inherently racist because they're white, and black
children are inherently oppressed because they're black, that also was
that's the outgrowth of the foundational critical race theory that
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underpins it, and the transgender ideology is the same way.
It is the outgrowth of the foundational queer theory that
underpins it. Like critical race theory is a Marxist theory.
And I read the founding document of queer theory to
fully understand what it is and what it's trying to achieve.
And Lisa, I got to tell you, I have never
been more disturbed in my entire life. I had to
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get up from my computer, step away from my desk,
and like walk around, walk around the house because it
is so disturbing to see these self avowed Marxists who
write this stuff talk about how their goal is to
sexualize children. The founder, the woman that wrote the founding
document of Queer Theory openly advocates for child pornography. She
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openly defends pedophilia. Like this is what This is the
outgrowth of the transgender ideology. This is what They want
to destabilize the nuclear family by alienating children from their
parents to capture them for Marxism. And like I said,
I know some of this stuff. Viewers and listeners might say, Wow,
that sounds really extreme. Yes, it is very extreme, and
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it's so extreme they count on us not catching on
or not believing it's what they're doing. But that's why
I wrote this book. I put together all of this research,
all of these back sources that prove exactly what's going
on when it comes to whether it's queer theory, critical
race theory, whether it's homeschooling, technocracy, all these different areas
that are being leveraged to attack children. And listen, if
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we don't understand the reality of the enemy that we
are facing, the political enemy that we are facing, that
we won't be able to fight back well against it,
and we won't win. And I really want to win.
So this book is also a labor of love because
the Republican Party needs to be critiqued. We need to
reorient how we're fighting back against these attacks on our
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country because we haven't been very effective in playing defense
against these attacks for the last fifty years and it's
time for us to regroup.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Very well said and such an important book, really pivotal
moment in history. So I'm so glad that you did
the work to put it out there for people. You know,
I wanted to ask you, you know, you look at students.
You know, let's take students heading to college. You know,
these younger generations, they've already basically gone through a cycle
of indoctrination in you know, K through twelve. And what
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do you do about the students who have already been indoctrinated?
You know, how do you reach them? How do you
change their minds? Or is it too late?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I know that's the million dollar question. I have a
two and a half year old daughter, and my husband
and I have discussed what we're going to do about
education for her and what higher education will even look
like in fifteen years when she's ready to go off
to college. And my views on whether I would feel
comfortable sending my child to college have changed in the
last five years. Five years ago, I would have been like, yeah,
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of course, we just equip her well with the talking
points and you know, of the right and train her
and how to discern right from wrong and teach her
good values and she'll be fine. And now I don't
think that I would be comfortable sending my child to
college because it is such a pit of snakes waiting
to insert their venom into her. I don't know what
I would do. I don't want to write off any
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young person that's been indoctrinated. I believe in redemption, I
believe in conversion. I believe in change of heart and mind.
But it is hard to change someone's mind who's been
completely indoctrinated, which is why it's so important to prevent
that indoctrination, to prevent that capture from happening in the
first place. That is something that's more realistic for the
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Republican Party to do on a large scale basis, versus
changing the mind of every single committed revolutionary young person
who has already been captured by the Left. And I
say this again, I'm not trying to dismiss these people.
I'm not saying it's that they're not worth fighting for.
They certainly are, but that might be best left for
families and churches and communities while we shore up the
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institutions that indoctrinated them in the first place to prevent
it from ever happening again.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, it's like we think things are crazy now, and
then you look at the incoming generations who are going
to be out in the workforce and are going to
be the future leaders, and they're way worse. So important
to try to recapture these institutions to your point, and
so the book is out in September. Hydrid Children, Liz,
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You're awesome. Anything else you want to leave us with.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Oh, I appreciate it so much. You can find the
book at Hide your childrenbook dot com. That's hideo childrenbook
dot com. Like I said, I'm proud of the whole book.
I'm particularly proud of the second half of the book.
It is it's kind of a critique of the Republican
Party's I'm challenging conservatives and Republicans to think about issues
in a different way than the Republican Party has taught
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us to think about it in the last fifty years.
So I'm very excited, slightly feel slight bit of trepidation
about how it's going to be received, But I can't
wait to hear what people think, because it's not going
to be easy to recapture our institutions to take back
our country. I don't think that it's simply downstream of
us properly ordering our personal lives or our family lives.
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We do need to use the power of government to
do it. So I'm very interested to hear everyone's thoughts.
Once you read that second half of the book. You
can go to Hide your Children book dot com and
get your copy today.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Well, we'll have to have you come back on after
the book is out and then we can we can
reassess it and talk about the reaction.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
But it's an important book.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I have no doubt that it's going to be amazing,
and I know it's going to be a huge success.
I appreciate you taking the time, your friend, and proud
of you.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Thank you so much, Lise, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
That was Liz Wheeler, host of The Liz Wheeler Show,
author of the new book Hydried Children. A really interesting conversation.
I'm glad she wrote this book. It sounds like it
is very much needed. Proud of her, appreciate her taking
the time. I want to thank you guys at home
for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen
throughout the week. Want to think John Cassio and my
producer for putting the show together as always.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Until next time,
So this will be a fun one.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
We've got Liz Wheeler, the host of the Liz Wheeler
Show on my show. Liz's a friend, she's smart on everything.
So we're going to get her take on this most
recent Trump indictment. Of course, he's been indicted again, this
time out of Fulton County, Georgia, charged with thirteen counts.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Nineteen people have been charged in this.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We're going to get her take on, you know, does
she think Trump can win a general election? What does
this all mean for him? Also, Joe Biden hasn't really
been campaigning. Is he going to be in the Democrat nominee?
I want to get her take on that. But most importantly,
we're going to talk about her new book, Hydrid Children.
It talks about these attacks that we're staying on children
from the left. She identifies those groups, identifies the attacks,
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and then also lays out a groundwork for what we
can do about it. So we're going to talk to
her about her new book that is out in September,
but you can get it on pre order called Hide
Your Children. Here's Liz Wheeler, host of the Liz Wheeler Show.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well, Liz, It's great to have you on the show.
You've got a new book out which I'm looking forward
to getting into. So appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Thanks so much for having me. It's great to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It's great to have you.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
We're in obviously a pretty crazy time as a country.
I think is putting it lately. Trump's now indicted again
in a different state, Fulton County, Georgia, charged with thirteen counts.
Nineteen people have been charged. Can he win a general election?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Listen, I think that this increases his chances. I mean,
I think I had a similar reaction to a lot
of Americans. I have not yet picked a team in
the Republican primary. I don't know which candidate I'm going
to vote for to be the Republican nominee. I like
to wait until we've seen the debates and we've seen
how some of the early caucuses in primaries go. I haven't.
I know some people, especially on Twitter, have already picked sides.
(01:51):
But this makes me much more likely to be on
Trump's team. I had this visceral reaction when this indictment
came down because Lisa, it's so unjust. It's I mean,
we taught we use the phrase often the weaponization of
the justice system, And I mean it's almost like that
phrase has become belittled or watered down because it's been
happening so often. But this particular indictment gave me a
(02:15):
visceral reaction differently than the other ones because the allegations
are so absurd. They are claiming that he committed some
kind of conspiracy to overturn an election, a democratic election,
because he tweeted that people should watch a television channel,
because he rented rooms at the Capitol, because he wants
people to participate in the democratic process, go to legislative hearings.
(02:37):
I mean, you almost can't make this stuff up, except
this precedent to criminalize free speech has been the precedent
that the left has been trying to establish through the FBI,
through the Department of Justice, through the prosecution of January
sixth defendants for the last two or three years. And
it's scary, Lisa, because the progression is not just going
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to be coming after Trumps, to be coming after Trump,
then coming after everyone associated with Trump, then coming after
anyone who ever talked about or supported Trump, then coming
after any conservative whoever said anything that the left doesn't
like it is the beginning of the criminalization of any
of our descent.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So I agree with everything you just said, except for
that it helps him in a general election. This is
what concerns me the most is even though that we
know it's complete bs and we are aware of what
the Department of Justice is doing, and what Fultland County,
Georgia is doing, and what they're doing in New York City,
I just don't think that independents see it that way.
(03:36):
I think they do think he's corrupt, and so I
do worry. And then you've also got the fact that
you know he's having to spend his campaign money on
legal fees, and so what's going to be left in
a general election for advertising and for actually winning an election.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So I don't know. I just I don't It's a
big concern of mine.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You could be right on that. I suppose, I mean it.
I suppose I should. I should amend my state and
say I think that it makes him more likely to
be the Republican nominee. I don't know how it will
impact the general election. Yet, we don't even know if
he's going to be in jail. Right, they could have
pre trialed attention. They could try to put him in prison.
I don't know how that plays out in a general election,
but for the purpose of the Republican primary, I think
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it does make him more likely to be the nominee.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
It's crazy what's happening in the country. It's almost like
you're almost a disbelief at it. You know, this doesn't
seem like America anymore. Do you think Joe Biden is
going to be the Democrat nominee? I mean, he's not campaigning.
He doesn't seem to even care. You know, we saw
his response about Hawaii and there was callous, you know,
no comment why he's on vacation. What's your sense is
(04:41):
he going to be the nominee?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I think so. If you'd ask me this question six
months ago, I would have had a different answer. I
thought they were teeing up Gavin Newsom to be his
heir apparent, because Gavin Newsom had proved just how far
leftist he was by how he's handled California, how he's
run California into the ground, how tyrannical he acted during COVID.
But now I don't think that they're necessarily going to
(05:03):
do that. I think Joe Biden might be the nominty.
This campaigning that he's not doing this summer is exactly
the kind of campaigning he didn't do in twenty twenty.
And I know they said always campaigning from his basement
because he's elderly, he's vulnerable. It's COVID YadA, YadA, YadA.
But this is exactly what he did in twenty twenty
and it worked because their strategy wasn't to win public opinion.
Their strategy was to rig election rules and laws and procedure,
(05:28):
to do ballot harvesting and universal mail in ballots and
degradation of signature verification and all targeted recruitment of different
pockets of people who they thought would vote their way.
That was really how they won in twenty twenty, and
the Republicans haven't made any visible effort or at least
demonstrated that they're effectively competing in that area with Democrats.
(05:49):
That's one of the reasons I think we lost in
twenty twenty two. Republicans had one public opinion on many issues,
from inflation to Biden's botch withdrawal of Afghanistan to social
issues like critical race theory and trans ideology. Even abortion
if you look at if you ignore the pundits and
just look at the polls and the surveys. But the
reason we lost in twenty twenty two was because we
(06:09):
didn't even try to compete with early voting. We didn't
try to compete during election season because we prefer election day.
And I think the Biden administration is counting on that
for twenty twenty four. Because we're now a year and
just a couple of months shy of this election, it
will be awfully hard for Republicans to catch up to
the Democrat apparatus at this point. The Democrats have had
a decade to build this up almost and Republicans are
(06:31):
just sitting around twiddling their thumbs. So, yes, at this point,
I think Biden will be the nominee because I think
he's counting on winning, counting on using electioneering strategies.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, I mean, to your point, he might feel like
he doesn't even have to lift a finger.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I mean, I do worry about abortion in the sense
of and I hate admitting this because I'm pro life,
and I've actually, as i've gotten older, I don't even
believe in exceptions anymore, because you know, life is a life.
But I do worry that I am extremely far to
the right than the rest of the country on this,
and I do think it turns out women as disgusting
(07:04):
as that is.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Well, I think the surveys show that the vast majority
of Americans, this is men and women, liberals and conservatives,
pro lifers, and people who identifi as pro choice want
abortion band in the third trimester. The vast majority of
Americans also want abortion band in a second trimester. It's
the left that takes this really extreme position of abortion
for any reason up until the moment of birth that
(07:25):
is out of step with the American public. But we
as conservatives and Republicans, thanks to the consultant class who's
been scaring political candidates and elected officials away from talking
about abortion, we've just surrendered the narrative on abortion. And
the left has effectively taken the word abortion and rebranded it.
No longer when voters think about abortion, do they think about, well,
(07:47):
what is it, what does it do? What are the
implications of abortion? Instead, the left has made people think
when they hear the word abortion, they think miscarriage, ECH topic, pregnancy,
OBGYN care, rape, incest, life of the mother, they don't
think about the vast, vast, vast majority of cases of
what abortion does to a human baby, what abortion does
(08:10):
to the mother of this baby. And I think Republicans,
if we are going to be able to effectively use
state laws or states to change laws on abortion, we
have to compete for the narrative first. We're not doing that.
So maybe you feel that you're out of step with
with the American public. You feel you're far to the right,
simply because public opinion right now is being pulled so
(08:32):
far to the left by extremists who themselves are out
of step with what most Americans think.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Agree with you that we don't do a great job
messaging it and talking about how morbid it is. But
you know, I wonder, even if you know Susan B.
Anthony or List or a group like that, if they
even try to go up with advertising explaining the process,
they probably would be denying the ability to do so.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I don't know think about what.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Donald Trump did. Think about what Donald Trump did in
that last presidential debate before the twenty sixteen election. He
was up on stage with Hillary Clinton and he's talking
to her about abortion, and she's saying like, oh, I
believe I'm pro choice. I believe in a women's right
to make a decision, and late term abortions happen rarely
and women are in tough decisions, and he goes, I
do not support ripping a baby limb from limb from
(09:15):
the mother's womb the day before birth. And it was
funny because I lived in California at the time, in
my hairstylist was a leftist, and she literally told me
after that debate, She's like, I couldn't. I was going
to vote for Hillary Clinton and I couldn't. She's like,
I didn't vote for Donald Trump, but I couldn't vote
for Hillary Clinton. I just didn't vote at all because
that position is so extreme. And I didn't realize the
(09:36):
reality of what her position was until I heard Donald
Trump say that you have to be savage. I mean,
we know this already. You have to be based, you
have to be savage included. And I'm not talking about
you and I. I think you and I are pretty
basic at pretty savage. I'm talking about elected elected officials.
I'm talking about politicians have to be unafraid to say
these things. And I think if they did it, would
(09:59):
turn out differently.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
No, that's a really good point. And then also, I
think when you talk.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
To a lot of these people, when I push back
on folks, they don't understand that when you talk about rape,
in life of the mother, all these things that Democrats
try to make it seem like this is the main
emphasis of abortions. It's like less than one percent. You know,
like the almost all of abortions are elected. You know,
they're elective. They're just because someone decides, you know what,
(10:23):
I don't want to be a mom, like, you know,
I'm going to end it. And that's the vast majority
of them. So, you know, even that doesn't really get
out there that much.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Even in late term abortions, late term abortions. The left
always likes to portray late term abortions as being oh,
there were serious feetal abnormalities, there was a risk to
the life of the mother, because we all are sympathetic
for of all of those you know, medical issues. But
that's not true if you look at even surveys by
the Gutmacher Institute, which is associated with Planned Parenthood, the
largest abortion business in the country, the reason that women
(10:53):
get later abortions is still elective. It's because they didn't
realize they were pregnant, or they couldn't decide in the
first two trimesters, or they didn't they decided it's going
to impede their economic or educational opportunities, et cetera, etcetera.
It's all elective reasons, even for late term abortions. That's
really horrifying to people when they realize it. It's just
it's an uncomfortable topic to talk about, right, I mean,
even pro lifers, even conservatives, even religious folks. It's not
(11:14):
our favorite topic to talk about. I actually don't even
like talking about it, except I feel an obligation to
stand up for the voiceless because it's so grotesque. I mean,
it makes me sick to my stomach to think of
what's being done to these babies on a daily basis.
But and so a lot of people shy away because
it's uncomfortable. But the cost of shying away is that
the left has been able to prey on especially middle
(11:35):
class suburban women, and say like, hey, you won't get
the ectopic pregnancy care that you need if you have
a miscarriage. You might not be able, you might your
doctor might decline to treat you because they'll be worried
about being prosecuted. These horrible lies that just prey on
women's fears, and conservatives are just allowing the left to
manipulate women.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
It's awful, No, it's very well said.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
And they've also convinced young women that somehow, you know,
it's a rate and to completely to not account for
the fact that you're talking about, you know, human life.
So they've just they've reduced it to a club of
sales and dehumanized it intentionally. Let's take a quick commercial
break more with Liz Wheeler. We're talking about children right now,
(12:14):
the Life of children. Your new book is called Highrid Children,
And having written it and done all the research, what
should parents be the most concerned about?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, this book I've been working on for a while.
I've been working on for about a year and a half,
and I didn't tell anybody for about a year because
one of my pet peeves is when people announce a
book and then I'm all excited about it and I
go to Amazon to buy it and it's not available
for like nine or ten months, and I'm like, Okay,
I wanted to read this now, not next year. So
I kept the book a secret for a while and
only announced it last month so that it comes out
(12:43):
in September, so people can pre order it now and
it'll be in their mailboxes in just a couple of weeks.
It's called High and Your Children, exposing the Marxists behind
the attack on America's kids. And it started out for
me as just a question that I had, like a
lot of parents have across the country. I think a
lot of us during COVID, you know, look over our
children's shoulders on Zoom school and see these horrible things,
(13:03):
critical race theory, trans ideology being poured into our children's
minds via the school system. And a lot of parents
were shocked about that because they didn't realize it had
gotten that extreme. And so it seems to me that it,
with this attack on our children's minds, was more of
a concerted effort than it had been ever before, all
of these different ways that children were being attacked. So
I set out to figure out, Okay, is this a
(13:24):
concerted effort or is my perception warped? And why is
the concerted effort happening now? And it turns out that
the answer to that question is less of a why,
and more of a who is behind it? So what
I do in the book is I name the names
of the specific people who are behind the attack on
America's children. Really, the attack itself is not new. I mean,
(13:46):
the Left has been trying to re engineer our society
for probably a century now, and unfortunately they've they've been
pretty successful at doing it because they've captured various institutions.
I say in the book that they've captured four out
of five of the major found dational cultural institutions in
our country. And this is very obvious to people listening.
They've captured the media, they've captured the education system, they've
(14:06):
captured a lot of religious institutions, they've captured a lot
of our legal system, and they're just just about ready
to destroy the nuclear family. You could argue that there's
one element of the family that is left standing, that
being children, which maybe explains why the Left has their
site set on children. So I not only name the
names of the people behind the attack on children, I
(14:28):
name the names and the organizations that are behind the
capture of our institutions. And then, Lisa, I offer a
solution that I will tell you is different than the
solution the Republican Party offers for how we can recapture
our institutions and therefore protect our children from these attacks,
which we have to do not only for the sake
of their individual souls, but because the future of our
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country demands it well.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And that's really you know why the left goes after
our children, because you know, they realize that if you
can a doctrinate the and that you control the future
of a country, get into some of the groups, you
don't have to get at everything. And I want to
leave a little bit of a cliffhanger, so people go
out and want to buy the book, but you get
into some of the groups, you know, what should people know?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, So one of the most interesting, one of the
most interesting parts are one of the chapters that I
liked the best while writing the book is the chapter
on the word woke. There's been this debate over the
word woke, what does it mean? How do you define it?
Especially among conservatives over the past six months or so.
And I trace the word woke back to its origins.
Its origin was it was coined. This idea of wokeness
was coined by a Brazilian Marxist named Paolo Friari, who
(15:37):
contended that there's no such thing as objective truth, that
what we consider to be truth or knowledge is really
just the prevailing political narrative. So he contended that in
the education system, teachers shouldn't teach children facts and knowledge,
they should teach children what he called critical consciousness, which
is a way to think. It is what he really meant,
(15:58):
critical consciousness is looking at the world through the lens
of Marxism. And if you look at exactly how he
taught children in Brazilian schools, taught them critical consciousness, taught
them to look at the world through this Marxist worldview,
it is wokeness. And this critical consciousness exists in the
United States today called critical pedagogy. Critical pedagogy is taught
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in American public schools everywhere in your own neighborhood, where
your child goes to school. It is hidden in social
emotional learning, which parents know is a very tricky, vague,
convoluted concept. It's not really a subject matter. It's disguised
as values education, like this is how you teach children
what's right and wrong. But the values that social emotional
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learning embrace are the values of critical consciousness from Pallo freari,
which is just a Marxist worldview. It sounds unbelievable, but
once you see it laid out, it's impossible to unsee it.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Liz, I think what they've really hurts my heart with
all of this is they're stilling the innocence of children.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
It's awful. The hardest chapter in my book to write
was the chapter on queer theory. So the transgender ideology,
the trans nonsense that we hear all the time, that
a girl can be a boy if she wants to
be a boy, can be a girl if he identifies
as one. That stuff is not just a random assortment
of nonsense. Right, the gender spectrum or the fact or
this contention that gender is not correlated to your biological sex.
(17:28):
This is not just ridiculous nonsense that all came together.
These are the tenets of queer theory. Just like the
racial stuff that was taught in schools a couple of
years ago. It is still to a certain extent, but
parents have fought back against it. But the idea that
white children are inherently racist because they're white, and black
children are inherently oppressed because they're black, that also was
that's the outgrowth of the foundational critical race theory that
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underpins it, and the transgender ideology is the same way.
It is the outgrowth of the foundational queer theory that
underpins it. Like critical race theory is a Marxist theory.
And I read the founding document of queer theory to
fully understand what it is and what it's trying to achieve.
And Lisa, I got to tell you, I have never
been more disturbed in my entire life. I had to
(18:14):
get up from my computer, step away from my desk,
and like walk around, walk around the house because it
is so disturbing to see these self avowed Marxists who
write this stuff talk about how their goal is to
sexualize children. The founder, the woman that wrote the founding
document of Queer Theory openly advocates for child pornography. She
(18:38):
openly defends pedophilia. Like this is what This is the
outgrowth of the transgender ideology. This is what They want
to destabilize the nuclear family by alienating children from their
parents to capture them for Marxism. And like I said,
I know some of this stuff. Viewers and listeners might say, Wow,
that sounds really extreme. Yes, it is very extreme, and
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it's so extreme they count on us not catching on
or not believing it's what they're doing. But that's why
I wrote this book. I put together all of this research,
all of these back sources that prove exactly what's going
on when it comes to whether it's queer theory, critical
race theory, whether it's homeschooling, technocracy, all these different areas
that are being leveraged to attack children. And listen, if
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we don't understand the reality of the enemy that we
are facing, the political enemy that we are facing, that
we won't be able to fight back well against it,
and we won't win. And I really want to win.
So this book is also a labor of love because
the Republican Party needs to be critiqued. We need to
reorient how we're fighting back against these attacks on our
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country because we haven't been very effective in playing defense
against these attacks for the last fifty years and it's
time for us to regroup.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Very well said and such an important book, really pivotal
moment in history. So I'm so glad that you did
the work to put it out there for people. You know,
I wanted to ask you, you know, you look at students.
You know, let's take students heading to college. You know,
these younger generations, they've already basically gone through a cycle
of indoctrination in you know, K through twelve. And what
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do you do about the students who have already been indoctrinated?
You know, how do you reach them? How do you
change their minds? Or is it too late?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I know that's the million dollar question. I have a
two and a half year old daughter, and my husband
and I have discussed what we're going to do about
education for her and what higher education will even look
like in fifteen years when she's ready to go off
to college. And my views on whether I would feel
comfortable sending my child to college have changed in the
last five years. Five years ago, I would have been like, yeah,
(20:45):
of course, we just equip her well with the talking
points and you know, of the right and train her
and how to discern right from wrong and teach her
good values and she'll be fine. And now I don't
think that I would be comfortable sending my child to
college because it is such a pit of snakes waiting
to insert their venom into her. I don't know what
I would do. I don't want to write off any
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young person that's been indoctrinated. I believe in redemption, I
believe in conversion. I believe in change of heart and mind.
But it is hard to change someone's mind who's been
completely indoctrinated, which is why it's so important to prevent
that indoctrination, to prevent that capture from happening in the
first place. That is something that's more realistic for the
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Republican Party to do on a large scale basis, versus
changing the mind of every single committed revolutionary young person
who has already been captured by the Left. And I
say this again, I'm not trying to dismiss these people.
I'm not saying it's that they're not worth fighting for.
They certainly are, but that might be best left for
families and churches and communities while we shore up the
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institutions that indoctrinated them in the first place to prevent
it from ever happening again.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, it's like we think things are crazy now, and
then you look at the incoming generations who are going
to be out in the workforce and are going to
be the future leaders, and they're way worse. So important
to try to recapture these institutions to your point, and
so the book is out in September. Hydrid Children, Liz,
(22:15):
You're awesome. Anything else you want to leave us with.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Oh, I appreciate it so much. You can find the
book at Hide your childrenbook dot com. That's hideo childrenbook
dot com. Like I said, I'm proud of the whole book.
I'm particularly proud of the second half of the book.
It is it's kind of a critique of the Republican
Party's I'm challenging conservatives and Republicans to think about issues
in a different way than the Republican Party has taught
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us to think about it in the last fifty years.
So I'm very excited, slightly feel slight bit of trepidation
about how it's going to be received, But I can't
wait to hear what people think, because it's not going
to be easy to recapture our institutions to take back
our country. I don't think that it's simply downstream of
us properly ordering our personal lives or our family lives.
(22:58):
We do need to use the power of government to
do it. So I'm very interested to hear everyone's thoughts.
Once you read that second half of the book. You
can go to Hide your Children book dot com and
get your copy today.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Well, we'll have to have you come back on after
the book is out and then we can we can
reassess it and talk about the reaction.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
But it's an important book.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I have no doubt that it's going to be amazing,
and I know it's going to be a huge success.
I appreciate you taking the time, your friend, and proud
of you.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Thank you so much, Lise, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
That was Liz Wheeler, host of The Liz Wheeler Show,
author of the new book Hydried Children. A really interesting conversation.
I'm glad she wrote this book. It sounds like it
is very much needed. Proud of her, appreciate her taking
the time. I want to thank you guys at home
for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen
throughout the week. Want to think John Cassio and my
producer for putting the show together as always.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Until next time,
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