August 3, 2023 • 44 mins
In this episode, Lisa talks with TrueMed founder and author Calley Means. While every institution in healthcare (hospitals, pharma, insurance, med school) depends on more sick patients for growth. Calley's working to change these incentives. Calley and Lisa talk about the obesity crisis in America, why millennials are getting sick more often, and much more! This is an episode you need to hear...your health depends on it. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the iHeartRadio Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday and Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Did you know that the average American visits twenty eight
different types of doctors before they die, seventeen point six
prescriptions are filled per person each year, and nineteen percent
of adult women taken antidepressant. The Financial Times was out
with an article recently talking about how there's been a
dramatic rise in cancer in millennials. For men, sperm count
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has decreased dramatically as infertility rises in women. So why
are Americans so unhealthy? What's behind it? We'll talk to
a guy who has been on a mission to expose
big food, big pharma and how they're collaborating to kill
us as Americans. His name is Calli Means. He's the
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founder of True med. It's a company that issues prescriptions
for food and exercise, which enables tax free spending on
items that actually promote health, which you would think would
be the goal in all this, but it doesn't seem
to be. He's also writing a book right now with
his sister, doctor Casey Means, about food is medicine and
how we could be healthier as Americans. His journey on
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all this started because he used to be a consultant
for food and pharma companies back in the day. Now
he's trying to expose these practices that are killing us
and killing Americans. I think you're really going to enjoy
this conversation. It's an important one about how big food
and big pharma are killing us. CALLI means us next Well, Cally,
(01:29):
I'm looking forward to having this conversation. You know, we
were talking a little bit before we got started and
I was like, I'm trying to be healthier. I did
eat Twizzlers today, so I laugh at that, but they
probably will kill me. But trying to work on health
and then that's what you do. So I think this
will be a really interesting conversation. I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh, pumped to be here. You know, Kelly.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
As I say that, I mean, we do have so
many Americans that are obese. You know, Americans are unhealthy.
Why are so many Americans unhealthy?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, I mean, even to your initial comment, I think
we've been conditioned to blame ourselves, and I think the
medical condition is basically you know, my sister went to
Stanford med school and she said the first day, from
the first day on their train that the American patients
are lazy. They're gonna eat their Twizzlers. They're gonna eat
their Big Max, They're gonna eat their soda, and their
medical system is there to pick up the rest. And obviously,
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you know, I think as conservatives, personal accountability is really important.
But when you look around America right now and you
look at eighty percent of Americans adults overweight or obese.
You look at children, You look at thirty percent of
kids now having pre diabetes, which would have been unthinkable
a generation ago. You look at twenty five percent of
teenagers having fatty liver disease, which you only used to
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see in elderly alcoholics not too long ago. You see
this condition after condition just exponentially skyrocketing. And I just
refuse to believe that the American people have become frankly
more suicidal. You know, life expecting is going down, diseases
are going up, or really wanting to live more miserable,
shorter lives. I don't think that's been as been flip
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that switched in the American psyche in the past forty years.
You've really got to look at some really the two
largest institutions by many measures in the country, the food
industry and the health care industry. The health care industry
is the largest and fastest growing industry in the country.
And yeah, I just refused to believe that the American
people have in the past generation, you know what, been
systematically have the death wish that they want to live shorter,
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less happy lives and be much sicker. I mean, these
rates of every condition you know, from heart disease, diabetes, cancer, depression,
you know, all these conditions which I'd argue are highly
tied to food have been skyrocketing, and I really think
it boils down. You know when you look at the institutions,
you know, when you really have to particularly when you
have all these stats skyrocketing among kids, you've got to
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ask what the systemic triggers are. And the triggers I'm
seeing from my early career working for food and pharma
companies now trying to change the incentives is we have
this devil's bargains so food companies when food is cheaper
and more addictive. And you would expect the medical system
to be ringing the alarm bell about that, you know,
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when eighty five percent of deaths in the United States
are tied to preventable conditions tied to food, But actually
the healthcare industry, as I said, has become the largest
and the fastest growing industry in the United States. By
treating sick patients, it necessitates patients to be sicker for
longer periods of time to grow, and that's exactly what happens.
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So the medical system is almost universally silent about why
we're getting sick, and ninety five percent of healthcare dollars
go towards managing conditions after we get sick. So you
have food almost you know, just just clearly making us sicker,
more infertile, more depressed, and more overweight, and you have
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the medical system shamefully, I would argue, standing silent. So
that's the dynamic I'm really trying to talk about, and
I actually feeling it back is easier than we think.
But we have to understand why everyone around us seems
to be getting sicker, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And I joke around with it, but I do. I
try to practice, you know. I eate healthy like ninety
percent of time. I work out a lot because I do,
you know, take it serious. I want to live along
in healthy life. What would happen to big pharma if
we focused on what we ate and what we eat.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Short term this would destroy the economy. In the short term.
Healthcare is the most employed industry. It's twenty percent of GDP.
It's growing two times more than GDP, So in twenty
years or so, it'll be forty percent of GDP. That
will that will be the depth of America. Like, if
the American experiment falls and ceases to exist, then number
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one reason will be because we drove ourselves bankrupt while
getting sicker, fout er, more depressed, and more infertile. So
right now, this is a huge part of the economy.
It's the biggest part of the economy, the inner invention
based healthcare system. I was recently driving in the South
and there were billboard saying we're hiring nurses, no criminal
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background check. There's just the sensatiable, appetitive growth of this industry,
which again from Republicans to Democrats in states, when they're
opening these massive new hospitals, it is saying jobs, jobs, jobs,
it's medical progress. But the fact that every city in
the United States, the largest and most gleaming building is
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a new childhood you know, children's hospital or children's cardiology center.
That's not a progress. This is a big problem. So
right now, pharma which I tie to the intervention based system,
where it's tied in where every institution that touches our
health makes more money when we're sick. That's an important
part of the economy. If we unreal that, which we
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have to because mathematically we're going to go bankrupt, there
would be big economic dislocations in the short term and
the long term. It would unleash human capital in this country.
It would solve our budget problems and on lease human capital.
Right now, we spend significantly more from the US budget
on caring for diabetics than we do on military defense
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and intelligence. You know, we are going to go bankrupt
because of this issue. So yeah, it'd be a short
term dislocation, but it's absolutely necessary for the long term
economic growth and vibrancy of the United States because as
you as you alluded to, there's nothing more important for
public policy. The first order issue in our country is
the happiness and health of our population. And it's almost
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like we're scoring an own goal and subsidizing terrible food
that's making us sick and really just pouring gasoline on that,
not causing the root cost. So I think when you
really tie it down, this is the biggest issue we face.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Well, even when I say, you know, I try to
eat healthy, what does healthy look like? I mean, one
of the problems, at least what we you know, saw
during COVID is how much the NIH controls studies in
America and controls, you know, studies through the grant process
and that sort of thing. And a lot of studies
are funded by someone, some organization with the purpose, with
the message, with the intention of, you know, essentially pushing
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propaganda on us. So when I say healthy, you know,
how do you figure out what healthy actually is? Given
the dynamic of you know, all these studies that we
see are you know, essentially being sponsored by a company
or an individual with an agenda.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
So let's look at doctor Faucci. Doctor Fauci was in
charge of overseeing autoimmune conditions, really a lot of oversiding
the chronic disease management of the past forty years. During
that time, the percentage of Americans chronic conditions went from
under twenty percent to over sixty percent. Now, while he
funded trillions of dollars the NIH during that time on
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research that ostensibly was to lower chronic conditions. So what
do we have with government agencies? The NIH is a
grant making organization, So you have bureaucrats at the NAH
who are able to take consulting payments from pharma or
if they're doing nutrition, many take consulting payments direct bribes
from food company and then ninety plus percent of the
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NIH and federal budgets on health it's actually they're not
doing the research themselves. They're grant making, and they're they're
able to issue those grants to conflicted researchers. And by
studies from Pro Publica and of their outlets show that
eighty to ninety percent of all research funding, you know,
goes to somebody that has a conflict. So that's certainly
happening with pharma, where it's just a wash in pharmacy,
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where there's this revolving door where leaders from the NIH
or you know, Scott Gottlieb who led the FDA which
oversees pharma, went straight to the bord of Pfizer. You know,
this is just well established, just a cesspool. It's also
the case with nutrition. So food companies interestingly contribute eleven
times more money to foundational and international research than the NIH,
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and the majority of NIH funding is going to those
same studies they're actually able. The NIH is able to
contribute money to conflicted studies. So actually the most pre
eminent nutrition study of the past five years, it's called
the Food Compass. This was millions of dollars from the NIH,
released with the Nhceal and Tough Nutrition School, one of
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the pre eminent nutrition schools. It was also funded by
processed food companies. And this this got some coverage and
talked to Jesse Waters and some others about this, but
this said that lucky charms is healthier than beef, and
hiding nutshearers was healthier than eggs. This is an NAH
the pre eminen nutrition study today. So that's what you get.
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And having worked for the food companies early in my
career and steering really helping to actually create a strategy
for research funding, I was blown away that researchers that
toughts at Harvard, at Stanford, at pre eminent institutions are
basically nothing more than pr tools of big food. It
was just a list of Harvard professors, Tough professors, professors
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at prominent schools. We give them millions of dollars and
they'd create studies saying still to this day, leading institutions
are questioning whether sugar causes obesity, you know, so that
that's how the game is playing. The last point i'd
make you know, having seen behind the kernel a little
bit with the food companies, is that confusion is the goal.
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So there's been fifty thousand pure review nutrition studies in
just the last two years, and the goal is that
you get these new studies saying, well, this is good,
this is bad, this is good, and it's confusion when
in reality, humans are the only animals that are systematically obese.
We're the only animals that systematic have chronic rates of diabetes,
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heart disease, cancer. Humans and animals we've domesticated. So if
you take a dog like a dog a pet, they
have an over fifty percent cancer rate, over fifty percent
depression rate, So fifty percent of dogs get cancer, okay,
and over fifty percent obc rate. If you measure dogs,
wolves in the wild have a one percent cancer rate.
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The depression rate doesn't register, and they are not obese.
There's not a problem of obese drafts and lions or
any animal in the wild. This only happens when we
get the experts involved. That's the only difference between humans
and every literally every other animal in the world. So
I think we really have been misled, just as we
have with the COVID and the pharmaceutical policies. We've been
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completely misled to literally question on TikTok. You know, you
have influencers literally questioning even whether natural food versus processed food,
which one is better? This is literally a debate in
nutrition communities.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Let's take a quick commercial break more with Cali on
the other side, what percentage of what we are told
about health and nutrition is true?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The food companies spend a lot of times more than
ANAH and nutrition sites, and the vast for drave and
AHE funding goes to conflicted studies. I would treat any
nutrition study as a publications document for big food. You know,
working for big food, you know watching specifically Oke and
PEPSTI the interest organization from them watching hundreds of millions
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of dollars go to really be the backbone of nutritional
research from Coke and other processed food companies. I can
tell you it's actually illegal for companies to spend that
type of money without a return. It's against their fiduciary duty.
These people are very smart. They're spending that for a return.
So I just that's this is my point, and it
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gets to very simple. We have been I think it's
actually this represents a spiritual crisis because we have actually
been so being down and taken away from any awe
or curiosity or ability or empowerment to ask questions about
our bodies. I mean, just think about this. You know,
a child is born, you go into the doctor. You
are a terrible parent for even asking a question about
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the seventy one shots that child is supposed to take
before the day turned six. And then you're anti science
if you questioned any of this dietary philosophy that's being
pushed on that child, as fifty percent of teenagers or
or abisa a wait, and parents are battered to not
question the science you know, on any of this stuff
when kids are being fed into a to a wood chip,
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or essentially for their health. We've been battered to trust
the science when the science has completely and utterly failed us.
We've also been told it's complicated when every other animal
in the world implicitly seems to figure this stuff out.
So I truly would would look at the record of
the current nutrition and health apparatus, look at the fact
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that the rates of every chronic condition, which lead to
eighty five percent of deaths in the United States and
eighty five percent healthcare costs, are off the charts. We've
been completely failed. So yeah, I mean, listen to your
doctor when it comes to chronic conditions. I guess, you know,
maybe look at a study, but they deserve no benefit
of the doubt. You know, you often have guests come
on here with the medical stuff and say, you know,
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consult your doctor. You maybe should consult your doctor, but
you should not trust your doctor when it comes to preventing,
reversing lifestyle based squad of conditions.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Well, I mean I found out during COVID that doctors
actually don't know a whole lot. I mean, I had
some that tried to convince me to get the COVID vaccine,
and then upon pressuring them and asking additional probing questions,
they couldn't answer them or their answers didn't make sense.
And actually, you know, going through with getting the code,
and now I'm more suspicious of everything and about a
bit of doctor's head off who asked me if I
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wanted to get the flu shut. So I'm suspicious of
everything now you'd mentioned.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I mean, look, if everyone's you know, they're all liars, right.
You know, our government lies to us and they make
money off of it. And then you know, big pharma
makes money, and as does the food companies. As you
pointed out, you know, I wanted to ask you you
had mentioned infertility earlier, which is a bit concern particularly
you know, look, I haven't had kids yet. I want kids,
you know, I know a lot of my friends is
this is something that's discussed and is concerning the mill
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sperm count has reduced significantly over the years, miscarriages have
gone up.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Why Yeah, I think this is the biggest warning sign
there is. And to people my face and close to be,
our male and female are struggling with fertility issues and
these just to just to hammer home that you just said,
this is off the charts right now. So just a
high level, our bodies, our core evolutionary functions are really
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like shutting down. I mean, if there is not a
more blatant sign our bodies could send us, then male
sperm count down by some measures seventy percent in a generation,
and then PCOS, which is the leading cause of female infertility,
skyrocketing by some measures, twenty five percent of women experiencing it.
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You know, our core evolutionary purpose on this earth is
actually like really shutting down. We are truly on a
trajectory of becoming an infertile population. And I think this
represents the dynamic of that devil's bargain. So you know,
we we we fundamentally through our incentive of the of
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society right now, you know, we're much more sedentary. Only
twenty percent of twenty one year old males are eligible
to join the military, only twenty percent, eighty percent are
not eligible based on their fitness. We are, you know,
systematically like obst RT. Eighty percent of adults are a
beast or overweight. We're sleeping two hours less, We're you know,
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a sedentary lifestyle and sunless rooms. So so fundamentally like
we're doing a science experiment on ourselves. And then we're
throwing up our hands and wondering why all these things
are happening, including infertility. So just take PCOS and I
just I would just like, I think this is a
very important point that it's criminal doctors don't talk about
PCOS is insulin resistance. PCOS is the same trigger as diabetes.
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It literally is the same thing. The foundational trigger of
what causes the leading cause of infertility for women PCOS
is insulin resistance, which is which is UH diabetes is
simply a an arbitrary marker along the line of fast
and glucose, which is a which is an indicator of
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insulin resistance, which which which means ourselves are not processing
UH energy correctly, which is almost entirely tied to food
and other metabolic habits like exercise. You can reverse this
almost anyone can. And what happens is you have women
UH not even told that, and just funneled into this
highly invasive, highly intervention based UH system where you know,
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leading UH fertility UH doctors that I know from Harvard
and Stanford actually don't even fully understand the link between
UH insulin resistance and UH pc us. And obviously, if
if patients understand how to eat healthy and and reverse
the underlying cause of their infertility, that doesn't make the
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hospitally many but obviously I V and these other very
invasive procedures do. So it sounds so simple, but you
know the way we treat our body, you know our biomarkers.
But but if you I just say this, and you
know everyone's on their own journey, but you know, your
core biomarkers around blood sugar levels, cholesterol levels of things
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you get for free, your annual checkup, really having curiosity
if those are not on the right levels and how
to bring those down. It really is an indicator and
highly tied to fertility like most other conditions, but fertility
highly tied. And then as far as male sperm count
and male fertility issues, you know, male testosterone, male sperm
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accounts plummeting, and you know, we kind of throw up
our hands, wonder why we throw a bunch of pills
and procedures and hormone therapy is at the issue. But
it's like, is that man exercising, is that man in
the sun. Is that person eating the right amount of protein?
Is that person feeling theirselves with the right things? Is
that person not a ton of pharmaceuticals. It's like it's
like we're just ignoring this. And yeah, I as a
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as a conservative, you know, I take it to just
the force first order issue. This isn't the free market
playing out. We're we've actually we've bastardized the free market
right right through pharma spending five times more than the
oil industry on lobbying through a government takeover of these industries.
We have a totally rigged system where we're literally our
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fertility is shutting down. So so that's crushing free will
in a way, it's crushing human capital. So the free
market solution is calling this stuff out and getting on
a more even playing field where we're not just funneled
into this innervation base. You know, people just aren't told,
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people aren't incentivized that everything that that, that pc OS,
that diabetes, that heart disease, these things all result from
the same thing. And least if I do this one
more story. You know, I've talked about this before, but
a huge physis for me on this is my mom.
You know, abruptly in twenty twenty one got pay cred
of cancer and twelve days later died and it was
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it was It was obviously shocking and she was our
best friend. But in a way it really heightened this
mission because the oncologists at Stanford where she was dying
said this was unlucky her cancer. But you go back
forty years and she had some fertility issues. Having me,
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I was twelve pounds, which which is actually an indicator
of metabolic dysfunction that she probably you know, had predestational diabetes. Olho.
That's fine. She had high cholesterol, took a stant and
high blood sugar, took that form, and she had all
of these conditions, high blood pressure. Took a pill for that.
So she was on five pills by the time she
was seventy. Oh that's normal eighty percent you know, or
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excuse me, forty percent of people your age on a
stat No problem. It was all these rights of passages,
all these siloed issues, you know, not ringing the all
arm bell forty years ago when I was born large,
when she had to stationial diabetes, when she had fertility issues,
that could be a warning sign, that could be actually
a gift that you actually have some underlying metabolic dysfunction
that will eventually lead to something more serious later. But no,
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it was. It was an isolated pill masking the issue
each time, and then oh tough break when when when
she ends up dying. Cancer isn't random. Alzheimer's is now
called type three diabetes. It's so tied to blood sugar,
just regulation what we're eating. If you have stable blood sugar,
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which I really believe is a barometer on on your
diet and lifestyle and is very under control and can
be reversed in a matter of months with the right
you know, with the right interventions, you are not going
to die of covid, Like you are not going to
get Alzheimer's, you have a you by definition aren't going
to get diabetes. You have almost a zero percent chance
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of getting heart disease, and just go down the list.
The fact that our medical leaders aren't saying this like
in Unison, the fact that ninety five percent of the
people that make our nutrition guidelines are directly paid by
food companies. The fact that doctor Fauci was only talking
about a marginal pharmaceutical solution instead of the fact that
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COVID only killed metabolic and healthy people like this is
a scandal, and it's because the largest industry in the
country actually profits from the fact that our food system
has been totally totally corrupted.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I mean, they have to know they're killing us.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I go back and forth on that, and that's what
a lot of people hit on, is what you know,
what's like, what's the motivation here? And I'll tell you
I've I've had some very dark views on this and
kind of modulate, you know, based on the day. I
would say this. I think the beauty of the system
in a way is that everyone has some plausible deniability, right,
Like nobody is response for asking why everyone's getting sick. Right.
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You know, these obestie clinics that are popping up, they're
trying to help payatis, you know, manage their obeseity, give
them drugs and surgeries. They're not asking why people are
getting obese. They fundamentally lose money. If those patients learn
to eat better and actually manage, you know, they're they're incentivized,
you know, for these lifetime drugs, this new zebic thing,
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and surgeries, and they can probably maybe go to sleep
at night or convince themselves to Doctor Fauci feels like
he's giving grants to, you know, to researchers to research disease, uh,
not really taking responsibility for the fact that he's responsible
for trillions of dollars. I think over his career at
the in age, it's like almost a trillion dollars of
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research funding for chronic disease management and chronic disease race
have exploded, which is in the interest of everyone he's
funding so so so I think there is potentials. But
if you look at doctors right now, they have the
highest suicide rate and the highest burnout rate of any profession.
If you talk to any doctor off the record at
any hospital in America, they'll say something's very wrong. They'll
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say their system is not helping patients. The patients aren't
getting better. And I think when you look at that
suicide rate, which is actually at epidemic levels for doctors,
you don't you know, missionaries who are working hard don't
commit suicide at epidemic rates. People that believe in what
they're doing. They've actually the New York Times, which they
were right in this case, actually to the study of
doctors recently has said they have the same chronic across
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the medical field, the same psychological problem that soldiers who
for forced to commit war crimes have, that doctors are
actually realizing and have this PTSD feeling because they got
in for the right reasons, but actually understand that they're
actually committing crimes against humanity essentially. So I actually do
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think there's this awareness building, you know, I think we
all know good doctors, but I do think there is
a lack of moral courage among leaders in the medical
industry among pharmaceutical leaders, hospital leaders, doctors to not raise
their hand and say this has to end. Are our
voracious appetite as a system for more and more sick
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patients to grow? It's going to destroy the country. What
are the assumptions of a brand new pediatric cardiology center.
The loans that underwrote the building of that hospital necessitate
more kids with heart problems? It will the loan that
Goldman Sachs gave that hospital, some big bank will default
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if more kids don't get sick. The new obeste clinics
that they're building will go bankrupt and people will be
fired if more people don't get obese. Like this, you
just have to look at the banks that are underwriting
and investing in this industry and look at their models,
and look when they're underwriting the new obestie drug they
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have rates of obestie going up as the drugists prescribe more.
That's what the dollars tell us. That's what history tells us.
But we're being gaslight. Had been told that more and
more like siloed drugs that just band aid the problem
instead of the core issue, which is food, are going
to work. We're being played for fools, and it unfortunately
keeps working.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Well and not only a band aid, but I mean
it's a vicious cycle because we're being encouraged to eat
food that's making us sick, then put on medicine, and
then what are the consequences of the medicine? Like what
are the consequences of taking ozembic for the future, or
you know, what are the consequences of the COVID vaccine
for someone who was never at risk from COVID in
the first place and was forced to get the vaccine,
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or even on infertility to be honest, like, I don't
have any evidence of this, but I have concerned about
what birth control that they give young women over a
long period of time does to a woman's body. Is
that introducing something unnatural to a woman? Is that creating?
And you know, and so like, what are the consequences
of the things that are quote unquote supposed to fix us?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, let's just take a case study of a child
to answer that question. So the America, Thecavity Pediatrics, which
sets the standard of care for pediatric care pediatric management,
is their bulk of their budget comes from pharma. They
have been given millions of dollars by the Ozimpic maker,
and they recently said after just a sixty eight week study,
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one of the shortest studies ever to approve a drug.
They have said that kids twelve years and up who
are overweight obese should be prescribed to ozempic, which is
a lifetime treatment. Okay, So let's take the forty five
percent of teenagers who are overweight obese. Okay, they inevitably
have high blood pressure, they nevertly have high blood sugar
back lesterol, overweight, they're put on ozempic. Okay, what are
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they being told when they are given ozmpic. The core
doctors who are speaking out about OBC, doctor Fatima Stanford
who is at Harvard, who was on sixty minutes and
it's paid for biozempic stead obesie is a brain disease
children have been completely misled to say it's tied to
diet lifestyle. She literally said this you can google in
sixty minutes. That is the message from an actually has
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to be the message from OBC doctors, because if you
establish the OBC is under control, you can't label as
a disease that we need government funding to treat that
people have no control over so obest medicine Field has
completely washed their hands and set OBEs is not due
to what you do, it's genetic, okay. So the kid
being given ozimpic is told it's not about food, so
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that kid takes the ozempic and there's a core side effects.
There's a black box warning on on on thyroid cancer.
The EU has actually put a halt to prescriptions because
it's causing such high rates of suicidal aviation and depression,
which makes total sense because the drug is gas or
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intentional dysfunction, and ninety five percent of our serotonin is
in our gut, which regulates our happiness, and the drug
is a weapon of mass destruction for the gut. By definition,
it's it's it's it's essentially ejectable bolimia, which is which
is what it is. So there's a host of side effects.
But even if the drug worked perfectly, you're telling that child,
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don't worry about what you eat. So maybe they're eating
what twenty percent less crappy food, but they're still fueling
their celves with crappy food, so they're going to get
on a stand obviously, which you know forty percent of
men over forty you're on, so they're going to get
on a stand. There's huge side effects with stands that
are increasing or coming out. Joe Rogan just did a
big episode on this, But stands are very problematic. But
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even if they were perfect, you're still being told, oh,
you now have your heart disease at Bay, no problem,
keep eating whatever you want. Then they inevitably are on
that format or insulin or something for diabetes. Shockingly, the
American Diabetes Association until twenty eighteen said that if you
take your diabetes medication, you can eat whatever you want.
You can drink cokes, eat any food you want, as
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much sugar as you want, as long as you take
your diabetes medication. Absolutely criminal, but that's the message people
are being told. They're being told that they're doing something
by taking the pill, but if they don't reverse the
underlying habits that are actctually causing all these comorbidities. But
you're not going to play whack them all with the pill.
You can literally, you know, as a as a health strategy,
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take the four trillion dollars that we spend on healthcare
and actually like work to drive better root cause outcomes.
It sounds so simple. But that's the way anyone would
design the system. If they just came with a blindfold
on and saw the fact that fifty percent of adults
were pre diabetic or diabetics, eighty percent worldbees all of
the metabolic that's obviously what you would do. You know,
(31:30):
you'd work to take some of the poison out of
our food system. You wouldn't recommend from the USCA that
two year old should eat ten percent of their diaz
added sugar, which we do today. You wouldn't subsidize sugar
and ultra processed food, which we do, which is a
completely non conservative policy. You know, you would just start
to unwind the fact that we recommend and subsidize poisonous food.
You know, and I would personally pay lower income folks
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on medicaid who are diabetic, who are bankrupting our country,
pay them to exercise, and just think about incentives to
get people. That would save us much more than the fact,
you know, a thirty year old on Medicaid who's diabetic
is costing our system the taxpayers, millions of dollars over
the course their life. Diabetes is a brilliant disease for
the medical system because it doesn't kill you right away,
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but it guarantees you have more holmorbidities to manage. So yeah,
that's that's a quick grant.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
On that quick break more on how big food and
big farmer are killing us. We're supposed to be, you know,
body positivity. You know it's okay to be you know.
The Financial Times recently had an article about the dramatic
rising cancer and millennials. Right, you had touched upon this earlier.
But how much of cancer is avoidable?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Oh, my mom's Pancreatic cancer is highly tied to blood
sugar regulation and pre diabetes, diabetes, breast cancer. I can
just cannot stress this enough. Right, we all can understand
the link between smoking and lung cancer. Elevated blood sugar
you know they essentially pre diabetes or diabetes is as
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predictive for many leading forms of cancer as smoking is
to lung cancer. Cancer is not random at all. As
I said, fifty percent of dogs we process crap we
give them have cancer. Cancer rates are demnimous in the
natural world, right, any animal can get cancer. This is
this is essentially a invention of what humans have done
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to ourselves. And food is number one. But it's basic stuff,
it's food, sleep movement, environmental toxins. You know, again, I
used to work for you know, large consumer packaged good
companies and say it's a nanny state to regulate the
chemicals and substances in our food and personal care products.
But I think that actually I've been I was gaslighted
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by the system that to call that nanny state. What's
nanny state is that corporations have ribed and corrupted. They've
got so much that there are thousands of neurotoxins in
our household products and food that are banned in every
other developed country. That's not the free market. Actually, that's
a corruption of the market right there, that we don't
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have oversight of proven neurotoxins in our in our food
and personal care products. So, you know, you go down
this rabbit hole. You look at healthcare influencers. They're basically
ringing alarm about everything. They're ringing alarm about shampoo, They're
ringing the laara about you know, what's in our air,
what's in our water, what's in our food? Uh but
but but but I will say, and this is how
I look at it. I won't trade our benefits of
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modern society for everything I think the US and capitalism
has produced, you know, the greatest I would not want
to be in any other society. But that does not
mean we haven't lost our way in some key areas,
and uh, we have been. Our systems have been corrupted,
and we absolutely should not be trusting the institutions that
you know, make the products that we put on our
our children's in our children's bodies, in our bodies. And
(34:55):
this is the tax we have to pay as I
think taking more u trusting the system a little bit
less and taking matters into their own hands more. But yeah,
to reel it all back. Obviously, this is tied to
the fact that cancer is rising dramatically among kids. They
don't call it early on set diabetes diabetes anymore. You know,
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one third of all new diabetes cases among teenagers and
young adults. They used to call that early onset. It
used to be super rare. There's early onset Alzheimer's. They're
about to drop the early onset label because people so
much younger are getting dimensioned Alzheimer's now, So everything is
going younger and it's all tied together.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
So if someone's listening to this and they're saying, you
know what, I'm not going to let these assholes kill
me with their crappy food. I don't want to take
you know, I don't want to make Big Pharma even
richer by taking their meds. What does a healthy lifestyle
actually look like?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
So on a one top down thing, I think we've
got to I think there's massive frustration on this issue.
But the reason that big food and big Pharma win
is because they're able to focus their first on specific legislation,
whereas it's very dispersed. But I think every parent in
the country is horrified by how sick kids are getting
and how overweight. One thing I just say is I
(36:10):
would encourage everyone to call, you know, their elected representatives.
The food stamp bill is up for renewal right now,
and they're about to continue to hand out to coke.
Coke is the number one item that we subsidize on
food stamps, and Senator Rubio and Senator Booker Biparison bill
just very simple, just not pay for sugar water with
a government nutrition program, which is totally letting down lower
(36:33):
income people. You know, single moms in such war depending
on this program to to have their kids by nutritious food.
So so call and support the Rubio Booker bill to
not have food stamps fund coke anymore. It's the number
one item on food stamps. But it's got to be
a bottom up, bottoms up revolution of one hundred percent.
And the key message I have is that we have
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been completely lied to that things are complicated. If you
scan your l for three ingredients, you're getting eighty percent there.
So the three ingredients obviously are added sugar, which is everywhere.
Sugar consumption is up one hundred times and one hundred years.
Sugar is the most deadliest and I think most pernicious
(37:15):
drug in the country. I think with food we have
an addiction problem, myself included. We all are in some addicted.
Food has been weaponized. And if you start cutting sugar
out of your diet, which comes obviously comes in surprising places,
you're getting a long way there. Number two is seed oils.
Seed oils are the number one source of American calories
right now. If you look at anything, you'd be shocked,
(37:36):
right there will be numerous soybean oil, safflower oil, sunflower oil.
It is unbelievable how these ingredients sneak into any product
you buy, even if it's at whole foods, organic expensive,
you always have seed oils. These did not exist in
the American diet until one hundred years ago because they
were only created one hundred years ago as an industrial
byproduct by John Rockefeller, as a byproduct of oil production,
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originally made to grease machinery. Literally, these these are cheap
oils that are now the staple and largest sources of
calorie in the American diet. And I think you are
seeing and going to see increasing research come out about
the scandal of seed oils. So you want to stick
to olive oil, You want to stick to butter, You
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want to stick to healthy fats that aren't seed oils.
Number three is highly processed grains. So if you go
to a grocery store, gas station, if you pick up anything,
you'd be shocked, Right, it's some kind of enriched wheat,
probably some sugar, and then a couple of seed oils.
Like those three ingredients are the foundation of ulti processed food,
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which is seventy percent of our diet now, and all
three of those ingredients didn't exist one hundred years ago.
You know, processed, you know, readily available sugar is a
wholly new invention, seed oils are new, and then the
processed s grain. The processing takes the fiber off of
the grain and creates into this frankin food that allows
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products to stay on shelves for years. But the fiber
contains a lot of the nutrients and blunts the glucose impact.
So if you eliminate those three ingredients, you're basically forcing,
particularly with your kids, to a more whole foods diet.
Or if you're buying processed food, it's it's probably slightly better,
but that would be it, you know. And I think
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something that's helped me is just seeing you know, I
don't really like to exercise, but my mental shift has
been exercise is just a tax that we have to
pay in modern society. You know, we used to walk
around a lot as humans. We used to be in
the stun more. You know, indoors is basically a new
concept biologically, but we have like we're being forced into
a sedentary life and getting movement and building that habit
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isn't for anything other than the fact that if you
put any animal in an enclosed cage in New York
and an apartment in an office, they'll go c And
I think we really are going crazy by lack of movement.
That's at least we can go down the list, but
it's going through the basic metabolic habits. It's cut the
(40:11):
ultra processed food, move sleep. You know, read books by
Mark Hymen, by Rob Loustick, by a lot of Warriors
in the space Frankly, listen to Joe Rogan and another
podcast you're talking about it, you know, and just go
on a path of curiosity believing that you can cure
and thrive things in your body instead of depending on
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this medical system. And that's totally letting us down.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Now, I may I have to work out. It's just
a you know, a mental health thing. It just clears
my mind. It's like I just I have to. I'd
ask you about alcohol, but I don't know if I'm
ready for that conversation before we go, and tell us
a little bit about true medicine.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
So after my mom died, that was a big impact
on me. And then my sister, who I mentioned briefly,
after thirteen years of training as a surgeon, left the
field abruptly quipped because she realized that at Samframed School
she didn't take one nutrition class like ninety percent of
doctors that graduate and went on a journey on metabolic
(41:08):
health and has been a a big advocate as well.
Doctor Casey means. So I started asking a couple of
years ago, how can I impact this issue which is
really changing the incentives to instead of healthcare dollars kicking
and once people get sick, to manage conditions, how do
we keep people healthy? So Trumed actually in a very
(41:28):
seamless way writes doctors notes for food or exercise which
actually unlock hsa FSA spending. So there's one hundred and
fifty billion dollars in these accounts most people have. I
never use these accounts because they're seen as like, you know,
tools to use when you're sick for drugs, but almost
every American has these accounts. You can put ten thousand
dollars tax free money into these accounts, and with our
(41:51):
notes that we can provide, we write prevention and reversal
plans for conditions, tying food, exercise, supplements, cold plunges, so
as metabal key healthy items. So we're enabling people to
buy their exercise, tax free healthy groceries, their supplements, and
for average, that's a thirty percent savings. We have a
(42:12):
very seamless process, so true mead dot com. We're partnering
with a lot of leading brands. You can see our
Snipe and a lot of brands you've probably heard of.
And it's just a simple, probably three minute process to
get that doctor's note and use medical dollars right, use
like tax advantage medical dollars, not waiting for when you
get sick and need a bunch of drugs, but actually
(42:33):
you know, to be buying exercise of food for your family.
So that's our mission. And I'm also writing a book
which is coming out next year with my sister on
this topic, which we're really excited about.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, well, we'd love to have you both on when
the book comes out, and maybe we can talk about alcohol.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Oh, I don't know, we might want to give that.
You know, you got to have some fun, but you
just sugar or sometimes alcohol sometimes. But the analogous point
is like we're not putting alcohol or committing alcohol or
kids and putting in all the like sugar just sneaks
in everywhere. I think that's the problem. We just we
need to think of more things like alcohol like not
necessarily a good thing, not a good thing, but you know,
we should be allowed to have treats and fun, but
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with food, it's just been normalized into everything we eat,
which I think is really the problem.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
I laugh about the alcohol, but I've actually tried to
cut that down to you to just like a couple
of glasses of wine, because I know that's you know,
going to kill me too. For everything's killing Kelly. This
is such an interesting conversation. We've learned so much from you,
so I really appreciate you taking the time for joining
us and enlightening us. So thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Thank you, Lisa.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Those Calie Means, founder of True med. I mean that
was a fascinating conversation. I hope you guys enjoyed it.
I've been thinking a lot about health recently, just trying
to be healthier to the best of my ability. I've
found him fascinating. So appreciate you guys listening to the
show every Monday and Thursday, but so you can listen
throughout the week. I want to thank John Cassio and
my producer for putting the show together. Please drop us
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Whatever you want. Until next time,
Did you know that the average American visits twenty eight
different types of doctors before they die, seventeen point six
prescriptions are filled per person each year, and nineteen percent
of adult women taken antidepressant. The Financial Times was out
with an article recently talking about how there's been a
dramatic rise in cancer in millennials. For men, sperm count
(00:22):
has decreased dramatically as infertility rises in women. So why
are Americans so unhealthy? What's behind it? We'll talk to
a guy who has been on a mission to expose
big food, big pharma and how they're collaborating to kill
us as Americans. His name is Calli Means. He's the
(00:43):
founder of True med. It's a company that issues prescriptions
for food and exercise, which enables tax free spending on
items that actually promote health, which you would think would
be the goal in all this, but it doesn't seem
to be. He's also writing a book right now with
his sister, doctor Casey Means, about food is medicine and
how we could be healthier as Americans. His journey on
(01:04):
all this started because he used to be a consultant
for food and pharma companies back in the day. Now
he's trying to expose these practices that are killing us
and killing Americans. I think you're really going to enjoy
this conversation. It's an important one about how big food
and big pharma are killing us. CALLI means us next Well, Cally,
(01:29):
I'm looking forward to having this conversation. You know, we
were talking a little bit before we got started and
I was like, I'm trying to be healthier. I did
eat Twizzlers today, so I laugh at that, but they
probably will kill me. But trying to work on health
and then that's what you do. So I think this
will be a really interesting conversation. I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh, pumped to be here. You know, Kelly.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
As I say that, I mean, we do have so
many Americans that are obese. You know, Americans are unhealthy.
Why are so many Americans unhealthy?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, I mean, even to your initial comment, I think
we've been conditioned to blame ourselves, and I think the
medical condition is basically you know, my sister went to
Stanford med school and she said the first day, from
the first day on their train that the American patients
are lazy. They're gonna eat their Twizzlers. They're gonna eat
their Big Max, They're gonna eat their soda, and their
medical system is there to pick up the rest. And obviously,
(02:18):
you know, I think as conservatives, personal accountability is really important.
But when you look around America right now and you
look at eighty percent of Americans adults overweight or obese.
You look at children, You look at thirty percent of
kids now having pre diabetes, which would have been unthinkable
a generation ago. You look at twenty five percent of
teenagers having fatty liver disease, which you only used to
(02:39):
see in elderly alcoholics not too long ago. You see
this condition after condition just exponentially skyrocketing. And I just
refuse to believe that the American people have become frankly
more suicidal. You know, life expecting is going down, diseases
are going up, or really wanting to live more miserable,
shorter lives. I don't think that's been as been flip
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that switched in the American psyche in the past forty years.
You've really got to look at some really the two
largest institutions by many measures in the country, the food
industry and the health care industry. The health care industry
is the largest and fastest growing industry in the country.
And yeah, I just refused to believe that the American
people have in the past generation, you know what, been
systematically have the death wish that they want to live shorter,
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less happy lives and be much sicker. I mean, these
rates of every condition you know, from heart disease, diabetes, cancer, depression,
you know, all these conditions which I'd argue are highly
tied to food have been skyrocketing, and I really think
it boils down. You know when you look at the institutions,
you know, when you really have to particularly when you
have all these stats skyrocketing among kids, you've got to
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ask what the systemic triggers are. And the triggers I'm
seeing from my early career working for food and pharma
companies now trying to change the incentives is we have
this devil's bargains so food companies when food is cheaper
and more addictive. And you would expect the medical system
to be ringing the alarm bell about that, you know,
(04:10):
when eighty five percent of deaths in the United States
are tied to preventable conditions tied to food, But actually
the healthcare industry, as I said, has become the largest
and the fastest growing industry in the United States. By
treating sick patients, it necessitates patients to be sicker for
longer periods of time to grow, and that's exactly what happens.
(04:31):
So the medical system is almost universally silent about why
we're getting sick, and ninety five percent of healthcare dollars
go towards managing conditions after we get sick. So you
have food almost you know, just just clearly making us sicker,
more infertile, more depressed, and more overweight, and you have
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the medical system shamefully, I would argue, standing silent. So
that's the dynamic I'm really trying to talk about, and
I actually feeling it back is easier than we think.
But we have to understand why everyone around us seems
to be getting sicker, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And I joke around with it, but I do. I
try to practice, you know. I eate healthy like ninety
percent of time. I work out a lot because I do,
you know, take it serious. I want to live along
in healthy life. What would happen to big pharma if
we focused on what we ate and what we eat.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Short term this would destroy the economy. In the short term.
Healthcare is the most employed industry. It's twenty percent of GDP.
It's growing two times more than GDP, So in twenty
years or so, it'll be forty percent of GDP. That
will that will be the depth of America. Like, if
the American experiment falls and ceases to exist, then number
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one reason will be because we drove ourselves bankrupt while
getting sicker, fout er, more depressed, and more infertile. So
right now, this is a huge part of the economy.
It's the biggest part of the economy, the inner invention
based healthcare system. I was recently driving in the South
and there were billboard saying we're hiring nurses, no criminal
(06:03):
background check. There's just the sensatiable, appetitive growth of this industry,
which again from Republicans to Democrats in states, when they're
opening these massive new hospitals, it is saying jobs, jobs, jobs,
it's medical progress. But the fact that every city in
the United States, the largest and most gleaming building is
(06:24):
a new childhood you know, children's hospital or children's cardiology center.
That's not a progress. This is a big problem. So
right now, pharma which I tie to the intervention based system,
where it's tied in where every institution that touches our
health makes more money when we're sick. That's an important
part of the economy. If we unreal that, which we
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have to because mathematically we're going to go bankrupt, there
would be big economic dislocations in the short term and
the long term. It would unleash human capital in this country.
It would solve our budget problems and on lease human capital.
Right now, we spend significantly more from the US budget
on caring for diabetics than we do on military defense
(07:09):
and intelligence. You know, we are going to go bankrupt
because of this issue. So yeah, it'd be a short
term dislocation, but it's absolutely necessary for the long term
economic growth and vibrancy of the United States because as
you as you alluded to, there's nothing more important for
public policy. The first order issue in our country is
the happiness and health of our population. And it's almost
(07:30):
like we're scoring an own goal and subsidizing terrible food
that's making us sick and really just pouring gasoline on that,
not causing the root cost. So I think when you
really tie it down, this is the biggest issue we face.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Well, even when I say, you know, I try to
eat healthy, what does healthy look like? I mean, one
of the problems, at least what we you know, saw
during COVID is how much the NIH controls studies in
America and controls, you know, studies through the grant process
and that sort of thing. And a lot of studies
are funded by someone, some organization with the purpose, with
the message, with the intention of, you know, essentially pushing
(08:04):
propaganda on us. So when I say healthy, you know,
how do you figure out what healthy actually is? Given
the dynamic of you know, all these studies that we
see are you know, essentially being sponsored by a company
or an individual with an agenda.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
So let's look at doctor Faucci. Doctor Fauci was in
charge of overseeing autoimmune conditions, really a lot of oversiding
the chronic disease management of the past forty years. During
that time, the percentage of Americans chronic conditions went from
under twenty percent to over sixty percent. Now, while he
funded trillions of dollars the NIH during that time on
(08:40):
research that ostensibly was to lower chronic conditions. So what
do we have with government agencies? The NIH is a
grant making organization, So you have bureaucrats at the NAH
who are able to take consulting payments from pharma or
if they're doing nutrition, many take consulting payments direct bribes
from food company and then ninety plus percent of the
(09:02):
NIH and federal budgets on health it's actually they're not
doing the research themselves. They're grant making, and they're they're
able to issue those grants to conflicted researchers. And by
studies from Pro Publica and of their outlets show that
eighty to ninety percent of all research funding, you know,
goes to somebody that has a conflict. So that's certainly
happening with pharma, where it's just a wash in pharmacy,
(09:24):
where there's this revolving door where leaders from the NIH
or you know, Scott Gottlieb who led the FDA which
oversees pharma, went straight to the bord of Pfizer. You know,
this is just well established, just a cesspool. It's also
the case with nutrition. So food companies interestingly contribute eleven
times more money to foundational and international research than the NIH,
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and the majority of NIH funding is going to those
same studies they're actually able. The NIH is able to
contribute money to conflicted studies. So actually the most pre
eminent nutrition study of the past five years, it's called
the Food Compass. This was millions of dollars from the NIH,
released with the Nhceal and Tough Nutrition School, one of
(10:06):
the pre eminent nutrition schools. It was also funded by
processed food companies. And this this got some coverage and
talked to Jesse Waters and some others about this, but
this said that lucky charms is healthier than beef, and
hiding nutshearers was healthier than eggs. This is an NAH
the pre eminen nutrition study today. So that's what you get.
(10:28):
And having worked for the food companies early in my
career and steering really helping to actually create a strategy
for research funding, I was blown away that researchers that
toughts at Harvard, at Stanford, at pre eminent institutions are
basically nothing more than pr tools of big food. It
was just a list of Harvard professors, Tough professors, professors
(10:52):
at prominent schools. We give them millions of dollars and
they'd create studies saying still to this day, leading institutions
are questioning whether sugar causes obesity, you know, so that
that's how the game is playing. The last point i'd
make you know, having seen behind the kernel a little
bit with the food companies, is that confusion is the goal.
(11:12):
So there's been fifty thousand pure review nutrition studies in
just the last two years, and the goal is that
you get these new studies saying, well, this is good,
this is bad, this is good, and it's confusion when
in reality, humans are the only animals that are systematically obese.
We're the only animals that systematic have chronic rates of diabetes,
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heart disease, cancer. Humans and animals we've domesticated. So if
you take a dog like a dog a pet, they
have an over fifty percent cancer rate, over fifty percent
depression rate, So fifty percent of dogs get cancer, okay,
and over fifty percent obc rate. If you measure dogs,
wolves in the wild have a one percent cancer rate.
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The depression rate doesn't register, and they are not obese.
There's not a problem of obese drafts and lions or
any animal in the wild. This only happens when we
get the experts involved. That's the only difference between humans
and every literally every other animal in the world. So
I think we really have been misled, just as we
have with the COVID and the pharmaceutical policies. We've been
(12:18):
completely misled to literally question on TikTok. You know, you
have influencers literally questioning even whether natural food versus processed food,
which one is better? This is literally a debate in
nutrition communities.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Let's take a quick commercial break more with Cali on
the other side, what percentage of what we are told
about health and nutrition is true?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The food companies spend a lot of times more than
ANAH and nutrition sites, and the vast for drave and
AHE funding goes to conflicted studies. I would treat any
nutrition study as a publications document for big food. You know,
working for big food, you know watching specifically Oke and
PEPSTI the interest organization from them watching hundreds of millions
(13:03):
of dollars go to really be the backbone of nutritional
research from Coke and other processed food companies. I can
tell you it's actually illegal for companies to spend that
type of money without a return. It's against their fiduciary duty.
These people are very smart. They're spending that for a return.
So I just that's this is my point, and it
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gets to very simple. We have been I think it's
actually this represents a spiritual crisis because we have actually
been so being down and taken away from any awe
or curiosity or ability or empowerment to ask questions about
our bodies. I mean, just think about this. You know,
a child is born, you go into the doctor. You
are a terrible parent for even asking a question about
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the seventy one shots that child is supposed to take
before the day turned six. And then you're anti science
if you questioned any of this dietary philosophy that's being
pushed on that child, as fifty percent of teenagers or
or abisa a wait, and parents are battered to not
question the science you know, on any of this stuff
when kids are being fed into a to a wood chip,
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or essentially for their health. We've been battered to trust
the science when the science has completely and utterly failed us.
We've also been told it's complicated when every other animal
in the world implicitly seems to figure this stuff out.
So I truly would would look at the record of
the current nutrition and health apparatus, look at the fact
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that the rates of every chronic condition, which lead to
eighty five percent of deaths in the United States and
eighty five percent healthcare costs, are off the charts. We've
been completely failed. So yeah, I mean, listen to your
doctor when it comes to chronic conditions. I guess, you know,
maybe look at a study, but they deserve no benefit
of the doubt. You know, you often have guests come
on here with the medical stuff and say, you know,
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consult your doctor. You maybe should consult your doctor, but
you should not trust your doctor when it comes to preventing,
reversing lifestyle based squad of conditions.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Well, I mean I found out during COVID that doctors
actually don't know a whole lot. I mean, I had
some that tried to convince me to get the COVID vaccine,
and then upon pressuring them and asking additional probing questions,
they couldn't answer them or their answers didn't make sense.
And actually, you know, going through with getting the code,
and now I'm more suspicious of everything and about a
bit of doctor's head off who asked me if I
(15:22):
wanted to get the flu shut. So I'm suspicious of
everything now you'd mentioned.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I mean, look, if everyone's you know, they're all liars, right.
You know, our government lies to us and they make
money off of it. And then you know, big pharma
makes money, and as does the food companies. As you
pointed out, you know, I wanted to ask you you
had mentioned infertility earlier, which is a bit concern particularly
you know, look, I haven't had kids yet. I want kids,
you know, I know a lot of my friends is
this is something that's discussed and is concerning the mill
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sperm count has reduced significantly over the years, miscarriages have
gone up.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Why Yeah, I think this is the biggest warning sign
there is. And to people my face and close to be,
our male and female are struggling with fertility issues and
these just to just to hammer home that you just said,
this is off the charts right now. So just a
high level, our bodies, our core evolutionary functions are really
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like shutting down. I mean, if there is not a
more blatant sign our bodies could send us, then male
sperm count down by some measures seventy percent in a generation,
and then PCOS, which is the leading cause of female infertility,
skyrocketing by some measures, twenty five percent of women experiencing it.
(16:39):
You know, our core evolutionary purpose on this earth is
actually like really shutting down. We are truly on a
trajectory of becoming an infertile population. And I think this
represents the dynamic of that devil's bargain. So you know,
we we we fundamentally through our incentive of the of
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society right now, you know, we're much more sedentary. Only
twenty percent of twenty one year old males are eligible
to join the military, only twenty percent, eighty percent are
not eligible based on their fitness. We are, you know,
systematically like obst RT. Eighty percent of adults are a
beast or overweight. We're sleeping two hours less, We're you know,
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a sedentary lifestyle and sunless rooms. So so fundamentally like
we're doing a science experiment on ourselves. And then we're
throwing up our hands and wondering why all these things
are happening, including infertility. So just take PCOS and I
just I would just like, I think this is a
very important point that it's criminal doctors don't talk about
PCOS is insulin resistance. PCOS is the same trigger as diabetes.
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It literally is the same thing. The foundational trigger of
what causes the leading cause of infertility for women PCOS
is insulin resistance, which is which is UH diabetes is
simply a an arbitrary marker along the line of fast
and glucose, which is a which is an indicator of
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insulin resistance, which which which means ourselves are not processing
UH energy correctly, which is almost entirely tied to food
and other metabolic habits like exercise. You can reverse this
almost anyone can. And what happens is you have women
UH not even told that, and just funneled into this
highly invasive, highly intervention based UH system where you know,
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leading UH fertility UH doctors that I know from Harvard
and Stanford actually don't even fully understand the link between
UH insulin resistance and UH pc us. And obviously, if
if patients understand how to eat healthy and and reverse
the underlying cause of their infertility, that doesn't make the
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hospitally many but obviously I V and these other very
invasive procedures do. So it sounds so simple, but you
know the way we treat our body, you know our biomarkers.
But but if you I just say this, and you
know everyone's on their own journey, but you know, your
core biomarkers around blood sugar levels, cholesterol levels of things
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you get for free, your annual checkup, really having curiosity
if those are not on the right levels and how
to bring those down. It really is an indicator and
highly tied to fertility like most other conditions, but fertility
highly tied. And then as far as male sperm count
and male fertility issues, you know, male testosterone, male sperm
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accounts plummeting, and you know, we kind of throw up
our hands, wonder why we throw a bunch of pills
and procedures and hormone therapy is at the issue. But
it's like, is that man exercising, is that man in
the sun. Is that person eating the right amount of protein?
Is that person feeling theirselves with the right things? Is
that person not a ton of pharmaceuticals. It's like it's
like we're just ignoring this. And yeah, I as a
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as a conservative, you know, I take it to just
the force first order issue. This isn't the free market
playing out. We're we've actually we've bastardized the free market
right right through pharma spending five times more than the
oil industry on lobbying through a government takeover of these industries.
We have a totally rigged system where we're literally our
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fertility is shutting down. So so that's crushing free will
in a way, it's crushing human capital. So the free
market solution is calling this stuff out and getting on
a more even playing field where we're not just funneled
into this innervation base. You know, people just aren't told,
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people aren't incentivized that everything that that, that pc OS,
that diabetes, that heart disease, these things all result from
the same thing. And least if I do this one
more story. You know, I've talked about this before, but
a huge physis for me on this is my mom.
You know, abruptly in twenty twenty one got pay cred
of cancer and twelve days later died and it was
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it was It was obviously shocking and she was our
best friend. But in a way it really heightened this
mission because the oncologists at Stanford where she was dying
said this was unlucky her cancer. But you go back
forty years and she had some fertility issues. Having me,
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I was twelve pounds, which which is actually an indicator
of metabolic dysfunction that she probably you know, had predestational diabetes. Olho.
That's fine. She had high cholesterol, took a stant and
high blood sugar, took that form, and she had all
of these conditions, high blood pressure. Took a pill for that.
So she was on five pills by the time she
was seventy. Oh that's normal eighty percent you know, or
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excuse me, forty percent of people your age on a
stat No problem. It was all these rights of passages,
all these siloed issues, you know, not ringing the all
arm bell forty years ago when I was born large,
when she had to stationial diabetes, when she had fertility issues,
that could be a warning sign, that could be actually
a gift that you actually have some underlying metabolic dysfunction
that will eventually lead to something more serious later. But no,
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it was. It was an isolated pill masking the issue
each time, and then oh tough break when when when
she ends up dying. Cancer isn't random. Alzheimer's is now
called type three diabetes. It's so tied to blood sugar,
just regulation what we're eating. If you have stable blood sugar,
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which I really believe is a barometer on on your
diet and lifestyle and is very under control and can
be reversed in a matter of months with the right
you know, with the right interventions, you are not going
to die of covid, Like you are not going to
get Alzheimer's, you have a you by definition aren't going
to get diabetes. You have almost a zero percent chance
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of getting heart disease, and just go down the list.
The fact that our medical leaders aren't saying this like
in Unison, the fact that ninety five percent of the
people that make our nutrition guidelines are directly paid by
food companies. The fact that doctor Fauci was only talking
about a marginal pharmaceutical solution instead of the fact that
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COVID only killed metabolic and healthy people like this is
a scandal, and it's because the largest industry in the
country actually profits from the fact that our food system
has been totally totally corrupted.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I mean, they have to know they're killing us.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I go back and forth on that, and that's what
a lot of people hit on, is what you know,
what's like, what's the motivation here? And I'll tell you
I've I've had some very dark views on this and
kind of modulate, you know, based on the day. I
would say this. I think the beauty of the system
in a way is that everyone has some plausible deniability, right,
Like nobody is response for asking why everyone's getting sick. Right.
(23:56):
You know, these obestie clinics that are popping up, they're
trying to help payatis, you know, manage their obeseity, give
them drugs and surgeries. They're not asking why people are
getting obese. They fundamentally lose money. If those patients learn
to eat better and actually manage, you know, they're they're incentivized,
you know, for these lifetime drugs, this new zebic thing,
(24:17):
and surgeries, and they can probably maybe go to sleep
at night or convince themselves to Doctor Fauci feels like
he's giving grants to, you know, to researchers to research disease, uh,
not really taking responsibility for the fact that he's responsible
for trillions of dollars. I think over his career at
the in age, it's like almost a trillion dollars of
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research funding for chronic disease management and chronic disease race
have exploded, which is in the interest of everyone he's
funding so so so I think there is potentials. But
if you look at doctors right now, they have the
highest suicide rate and the highest burnout rate of any profession.
If you talk to any doctor off the record at
any hospital in America, they'll say something's very wrong. They'll
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say their system is not helping patients. The patients aren't
getting better. And I think when you look at that
suicide rate, which is actually at epidemic levels for doctors,
you don't you know, missionaries who are working hard don't
commit suicide at epidemic rates. People that believe in what
they're doing. They've actually the New York Times, which they
were right in this case, actually to the study of
doctors recently has said they have the same chronic across
(25:22):
the medical field, the same psychological problem that soldiers who
for forced to commit war crimes have, that doctors are
actually realizing and have this PTSD feeling because they got
in for the right reasons, but actually understand that they're
actually committing crimes against humanity essentially. So I actually do
(25:43):
think there's this awareness building, you know, I think we
all know good doctors, but I do think there is
a lack of moral courage among leaders in the medical
industry among pharmaceutical leaders, hospital leaders, doctors to not raise
their hand and say this has to end. Are our
voracious appetite as a system for more and more sick
(26:04):
patients to grow? It's going to destroy the country. What
are the assumptions of a brand new pediatric cardiology center.
The loans that underwrote the building of that hospital necessitate
more kids with heart problems? It will the loan that
Goldman Sachs gave that hospital, some big bank will default
(26:29):
if more kids don't get sick. The new obeste clinics
that they're building will go bankrupt and people will be
fired if more people don't get obese. Like this, you
just have to look at the banks that are underwriting
and investing in this industry and look at their models,
and look when they're underwriting the new obestie drug they
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have rates of obestie going up as the drugists prescribe more.
That's what the dollars tell us. That's what history tells us.
But we're being gaslight. Had been told that more and
more like siloed drugs that just band aid the problem
instead of the core issue, which is food, are going
to work. We're being played for fools, and it unfortunately
keeps working.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Well and not only a band aid, but I mean
it's a vicious cycle because we're being encouraged to eat
food that's making us sick, then put on medicine, and
then what are the consequences of the medicine? Like what
are the consequences of taking ozembic for the future, or
you know, what are the consequences of the COVID vaccine
for someone who was never at risk from COVID in
the first place and was forced to get the vaccine,
(27:33):
or even on infertility to be honest, like, I don't
have any evidence of this, but I have concerned about
what birth control that they give young women over a
long period of time does to a woman's body. Is
that introducing something unnatural to a woman? Is that creating?
And you know, and so like, what are the consequences
of the things that are quote unquote supposed to fix us?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, let's just take a case study of a child
to answer that question. So the America, Thecavity Pediatrics, which
sets the standard of care for pediatric care pediatric management,
is their bulk of their budget comes from pharma. They
have been given millions of dollars by the Ozimpic maker,
and they recently said after just a sixty eight week study,
(28:13):
one of the shortest studies ever to approve a drug.
They have said that kids twelve years and up who
are overweight obese should be prescribed to ozempic, which is
a lifetime treatment. Okay, So let's take the forty five
percent of teenagers who are overweight obese. Okay, they inevitably
have high blood pressure, they nevertly have high blood sugar
back lesterol, overweight, they're put on ozempic. Okay, what are
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they being told when they are given ozmpic. The core
doctors who are speaking out about OBC, doctor Fatima Stanford
who is at Harvard, who was on sixty minutes and
it's paid for biozempic stead obesie is a brain disease
children have been completely misled to say it's tied to
diet lifestyle. She literally said this you can google in
sixty minutes. That is the message from an actually has
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to be the message from OBC doctors, because if you
establish the OBC is under control, you can't label as
a disease that we need government funding to treat that
people have no control over so obest medicine Field has
completely washed their hands and set OBEs is not due
to what you do, it's genetic, okay. So the kid
being given ozimpic is told it's not about food, so
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that kid takes the ozempic and there's a core side effects.
There's a black box warning on on on thyroid cancer.
The EU has actually put a halt to prescriptions because
it's causing such high rates of suicidal aviation and depression,
which makes total sense because the drug is gas or
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intentional dysfunction, and ninety five percent of our serotonin is
in our gut, which regulates our happiness, and the drug
is a weapon of mass destruction for the gut. By definition,
it's it's it's it's essentially ejectable bolimia, which is which
is what it is. So there's a host of side effects.
But even if the drug worked perfectly, you're telling that child,
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don't worry about what you eat. So maybe they're eating
what twenty percent less crappy food, but they're still fueling
their celves with crappy food, so they're going to get
on a stand obviously, which you know forty percent of
men over forty you're on, so they're going to get
on a stand. There's huge side effects with stands that
are increasing or coming out. Joe Rogan just did a
big episode on this, But stands are very problematic. But
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even if they were perfect, you're still being told, oh,
you now have your heart disease at Bay, no problem,
keep eating whatever you want. Then they inevitably are on
that format or insulin or something for diabetes. Shockingly, the
American Diabetes Association until twenty eighteen said that if you
take your diabetes medication, you can eat whatever you want.
You can drink cokes, eat any food you want, as
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much sugar as you want, as long as you take
your diabetes medication. Absolutely criminal, but that's the message people
are being told. They're being told that they're doing something
by taking the pill, but if they don't reverse the
underlying habits that are actctually causing all these comorbidities. But
you're not going to play whack them all with the pill.
You can literally, you know, as a as a health strategy,
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take the four trillion dollars that we spend on healthcare
and actually like work to drive better root cause outcomes.
It sounds so simple. But that's the way anyone would
design the system. If they just came with a blindfold
on and saw the fact that fifty percent of adults
were pre diabetic or diabetics, eighty percent worldbees all of
the metabolic that's obviously what you would do. You know,
(31:30):
you'd work to take some of the poison out of
our food system. You wouldn't recommend from the USCA that
two year old should eat ten percent of their diaz
added sugar, which we do today. You wouldn't subsidize sugar
and ultra processed food, which we do, which is a
completely non conservative policy. You know, you would just start
to unwind the fact that we recommend and subsidize poisonous food.
You know, and I would personally pay lower income folks
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on medicaid who are diabetic, who are bankrupting our country,
pay them to exercise, and just think about incentives to
get people. That would save us much more than the fact,
you know, a thirty year old on Medicaid who's diabetic
is costing our system the taxpayers, millions of dollars over
the course their life. Diabetes is a brilliant disease for
the medical system because it doesn't kill you right away,
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but it guarantees you have more holmorbidities to manage. So yeah,
that's that's a quick grant.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
On that quick break more on how big food and
big farmer are killing us. We're supposed to be, you know,
body positivity. You know it's okay to be you know.
The Financial Times recently had an article about the dramatic
rising cancer and millennials. Right, you had touched upon this earlier.
But how much of cancer is avoidable?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Oh, my mom's Pancreatic cancer is highly tied to blood
sugar regulation and pre diabetes, diabetes, breast cancer. I can
just cannot stress this enough. Right, we all can understand
the link between smoking and lung cancer. Elevated blood sugar
you know they essentially pre diabetes or diabetes is as
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predictive for many leading forms of cancer as smoking is
to lung cancer. Cancer is not random at all. As
I said, fifty percent of dogs we process crap we
give them have cancer. Cancer rates are demnimous in the
natural world, right, any animal can get cancer. This is
this is essentially a invention of what humans have done
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to ourselves. And food is number one. But it's basic stuff,
it's food, sleep movement, environmental toxins. You know, again, I
used to work for you know, large consumer packaged good
companies and say it's a nanny state to regulate the
chemicals and substances in our food and personal care products.
But I think that actually I've been I was gaslighted
(33:51):
by the system that to call that nanny state. What's
nanny state is that corporations have ribed and corrupted. They've
got so much that there are thousands of neurotoxins in
our household products and food that are banned in every
other developed country. That's not the free market. Actually, that's
a corruption of the market right there, that we don't
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have oversight of proven neurotoxins in our in our food
and personal care products. So, you know, you go down
this rabbit hole. You look at healthcare influencers. They're basically
ringing alarm about everything. They're ringing alarm about shampoo, They're
ringing the laara about you know, what's in our air,
what's in our water, what's in our food? Uh but
but but but I will say, and this is how
I look at it. I won't trade our benefits of
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modern society for everything I think the US and capitalism
has produced, you know, the greatest I would not want
to be in any other society. But that does not
mean we haven't lost our way in some key areas,
and uh, we have been. Our systems have been corrupted,
and we absolutely should not be trusting the institutions that
you know, make the products that we put on our
our children's in our children's bodies, in our bodies. And
(34:55):
this is the tax we have to pay as I
think taking more u trusting the system a little bit
less and taking matters into their own hands more. But yeah,
to reel it all back. Obviously, this is tied to
the fact that cancer is rising dramatically among kids. They
don't call it early on set diabetes diabetes anymore. You know,
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one third of all new diabetes cases among teenagers and
young adults. They used to call that early onset. It
used to be super rare. There's early onset Alzheimer's. They're
about to drop the early onset label because people so
much younger are getting dimensioned Alzheimer's now, So everything is
going younger and it's all tied together.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
So if someone's listening to this and they're saying, you
know what, I'm not going to let these assholes kill
me with their crappy food. I don't want to take
you know, I don't want to make Big Pharma even
richer by taking their meds. What does a healthy lifestyle
actually look like?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
So on a one top down thing, I think we've
got to I think there's massive frustration on this issue.
But the reason that big food and big Pharma win
is because they're able to focus their first on specific legislation,
whereas it's very dispersed. But I think every parent in
the country is horrified by how sick kids are getting
and how overweight. One thing I just say is I
(36:10):
would encourage everyone to call, you know, their elected representatives.
The food stamp bill is up for renewal right now,
and they're about to continue to hand out to coke.
Coke is the number one item that we subsidize on
food stamps, and Senator Rubio and Senator Booker Biparison bill
just very simple, just not pay for sugar water with
a government nutrition program, which is totally letting down lower
(36:33):
income people. You know, single moms in such war depending
on this program to to have their kids by nutritious food.
So so call and support the Rubio Booker bill to
not have food stamps fund coke anymore. It's the number
one item on food stamps. But it's got to be
a bottom up, bottoms up revolution of one hundred percent.
And the key message I have is that we have
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been completely lied to that things are complicated. If you
scan your l for three ingredients, you're getting eighty percent there.
So the three ingredients obviously are added sugar, which is everywhere.
Sugar consumption is up one hundred times and one hundred years.
Sugar is the most deadliest and I think most pernicious
(37:15):
drug in the country. I think with food we have
an addiction problem, myself included. We all are in some addicted.
Food has been weaponized. And if you start cutting sugar
out of your diet, which comes obviously comes in surprising places,
you're getting a long way there. Number two is seed oils.
Seed oils are the number one source of American calories
right now. If you look at anything, you'd be shocked,
(37:36):
right there will be numerous soybean oil, safflower oil, sunflower oil.
It is unbelievable how these ingredients sneak into any product
you buy, even if it's at whole foods, organic expensive,
you always have seed oils. These did not exist in
the American diet until one hundred years ago because they
were only created one hundred years ago as an industrial
byproduct by John Rockefeller, as a byproduct of oil production,
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originally made to grease machinery. Literally, these these are cheap
oils that are now the staple and largest sources of
calorie in the American diet. And I think you are
seeing and going to see increasing research come out about
the scandal of seed oils. So you want to stick
to olive oil, You want to stick to butter, You
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want to stick to healthy fats that aren't seed oils.
Number three is highly processed grains. So if you go
to a grocery store, gas station, if you pick up anything,
you'd be shocked, Right, it's some kind of enriched wheat,
probably some sugar, and then a couple of seed oils.
Like those three ingredients are the foundation of ulti processed food,
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which is seventy percent of our diet now, and all
three of those ingredients didn't exist one hundred years ago.
You know, processed, you know, readily available sugar is a
wholly new invention, seed oils are new, and then the
processed s grain. The processing takes the fiber off of
the grain and creates into this frankin food that allows
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products to stay on shelves for years. But the fiber
contains a lot of the nutrients and blunts the glucose impact.
So if you eliminate those three ingredients, you're basically forcing,
particularly with your kids, to a more whole foods diet.
Or if you're buying processed food, it's it's probably slightly better,
but that would be it, you know. And I think
(39:29):
something that's helped me is just seeing you know, I
don't really like to exercise, but my mental shift has
been exercise is just a tax that we have to
pay in modern society. You know, we used to walk
around a lot as humans. We used to be in
the stun more. You know, indoors is basically a new
concept biologically, but we have like we're being forced into
a sedentary life and getting movement and building that habit
(39:51):
isn't for anything other than the fact that if you
put any animal in an enclosed cage in New York
and an apartment in an office, they'll go c And
I think we really are going crazy by lack of movement.
That's at least we can go down the list, but
it's going through the basic metabolic habits. It's cut the
(40:11):
ultra processed food, move sleep. You know, read books by
Mark Hymen, by Rob Loustick, by a lot of Warriors
in the space Frankly, listen to Joe Rogan and another
podcast you're talking about it, you know, and just go
on a path of curiosity believing that you can cure
and thrive things in your body instead of depending on
(40:32):
this medical system. And that's totally letting us down.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Now, I may I have to work out. It's just
a you know, a mental health thing. It just clears
my mind. It's like I just I have to. I'd
ask you about alcohol, but I don't know if I'm
ready for that conversation before we go, and tell us
a little bit about true medicine.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
So after my mom died, that was a big impact
on me. And then my sister, who I mentioned briefly,
after thirteen years of training as a surgeon, left the
field abruptly quipped because she realized that at Samframed School
she didn't take one nutrition class like ninety percent of
doctors that graduate and went on a journey on metabolic
(41:08):
health and has been a a big advocate as well.
Doctor Casey means. So I started asking a couple of
years ago, how can I impact this issue which is
really changing the incentives to instead of healthcare dollars kicking
and once people get sick, to manage conditions, how do
we keep people healthy? So Trumed actually in a very
(41:28):
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never use these accounts because they're seen as like, you know,
tools to use when you're sick for drugs, but almost
every American has these accounts. You can put ten thousand
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(42:12):
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get sick and need a bunch of drugs, but actually
(42:33):
you know, to be buying exercise of food for your family.
So that's our mission. And I'm also writing a book
which is coming out next year with my sister on
this topic, which we're really excited about.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, well, we'd love to have you both on when
the book comes out, and maybe we can talk about alcohol.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Oh, I don't know, we might want to give that.
You know, you got to have some fun, but you
just sugar or sometimes alcohol sometimes. But the analogous point
is like we're not putting alcohol or committing alcohol or
kids and putting in all the like sugar just sneaks
in everywhere. I think that's the problem. We just we
need to think of more things like alcohol like not
necessarily a good thing, not a good thing, but you know,
we should be allowed to have treats and fun, but
(43:14):
with food, it's just been normalized into everything we eat,
which I think is really the problem.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
I laugh about the alcohol, but I've actually tried to
cut that down to you to just like a couple
of glasses of wine, because I know that's you know,
going to kill me too. For everything's killing Kelly. This
is such an interesting conversation. We've learned so much from you,
so I really appreciate you taking the time for joining
us and enlightening us. So thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Thank you, Lisa.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Those Calie Means, founder of True med. I mean that
was a fascinating conversation. I hope you guys enjoyed it.
I've been thinking a lot about health recently, just trying
to be healthier to the best of my ability. I've
found him fascinating. So appreciate you guys listening to the
show every Monday and Thursday, but so you can listen
throughout the week. I want to thank John Cassio and
my producer for putting the show together. Please drop us
(44:05):
a review on Apple. We like to look at those.
Whatever you want. Until next time,
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