March 11, 2024 • 18 mins
In this episode, Lisa interviews Senator Chuck Grassley, discussing topics such as the 1980 presidential election, bipartisanship, and his feelings during the Kavanaugh confirmation. They explore the parallels between the 1980 and 2024 elections, Grassley's bipartisan efforts, and the polarization of politics. Grassley recounts his experience during Kavanaugh's hearings and expresses concerns over government weaponization and the Biden administration's challenges, including inflation and immigration. Grassley also gives his thoughts on Joe Biden's shift from his Senate days to his presidency. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There have been a lot of parallels made between the
nineteen eighty presidential election when Ronald Reagan defeated Jimmy Carter
on a landslide to where we are today in twenty
twenty four. So will Joe Biden go down and defeat
like Jimmy Carter did? And what parallels are there? We're
going to talk to a man who was elected to
the Senate in nineteen eighty and has been surveying ever since.
(00:20):
That man is Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa. He is
a legend in the Senate and I'm so honored to
have him on the show. I have so many questions
for him. But what we are going to talk to
him about is how is.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
He so liked?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We live in such a politically toxic world where everyone
hates each other, but somehow Conservatives love him, Moderates love him,
and even Democrats seem to love the guy.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
So how does he manage to do that?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
While so talked to him about that nineteen eighty election,
does he think Donald Trump is going to have the
same victory? And of course we're going to get his
take on his time as Chairman of the Senate Judiciary
Committee during that Supreme Court nomination of Justice on no
Justice Brett Cavanaugh. I could tell he was deeply troubled
during that process. So we'll talk to him a little
(01:03):
bit about that, and lastly about the weaponization of government.
Trust me, you're not going to want to miss this
interview with a legend of the Senate, just a legend
in life, Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa. Hi, Senator, It's
such an honor to have you on the show. You're
a legend. So I'm so excited about this.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I see you a lot of times on Fox News.
I once in a while I turn over to CNN
to find out what the enemy's saying, and Barbara Grassley
just shouts out, why do we want to watch CNN?
So I'm forced to watch Fox all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well, well, Fox is great. You know, I wouldn't want
to watch CNN either.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
My staff has been telling me that you said your
dad look for the Appropriations Committee. What was his name?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
My name was Jeff Booth and so he was a
staffer on the Appropriations Committee in nineteen eighty seven. I
think you were a minority ranking member of one of
the subcommittees.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, the one on military construction.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Something like that. But he has so much respect for you,
and as do I. But everyone does.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And that's the thing that you know, Democrats even seem
to like you, moderate seemed to like you, Conservatives seemed
to like you. How do you manage to do that
in today's politically toxic world.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Well, I think the I think the institution of the Senate,
with the requirement of a super majority to stop debate
before you get to finality on a bill, forces by partisanship.
And you know, people would think I was brag and
if I said I work in a biparson way, and
(02:49):
I say that two ways, one pretty difficult to prove.
But there isn't a senator I dislike, and if anybody
dislikes me, I don't want to know who their name is.
And secondly, I refer people to the Georgetown University website
to go on to click on to Senator Lueger's Center,
(03:13):
and once a year they give index of bipartisanship in
the United States Senate. And I've never worse off than
twelve out of one hundred, and sometimes I've been as
good as five out of one hundred. So I think
that centers shows that at least. The survey show that
(03:38):
I work in a by Parson away, and I think
that's how you get along with very liberal people and
very conservative people.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Have those relationships changed over the years. Is it more
challenging for people to get along now?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, And it comes from the change of all most
liberals being Democrat and except for two or three Republicans,
most of them conservative. You see, when I came to
the United States Senate in nineteen eighty one, there was
(04:15):
probably twenty percent of the Republican caucus. You had moderates,
a lot of people from New England as one example,
and Democrats had a few conservatives, mostly from the South end.
As you know, the South had a lot of conservative Democrats,
(04:37):
and so a lot of differences were worked out in
the United States Senate within our caucuses. So when you
went to the floor, things were kind of moderated. Now
you don't do that in your caucus, and that's more
difficult when you get to the floor, and so I
(04:59):
think that has led to partisanship. Then the other thing
is just the evolution of talk radio, the evolution of
TV TV with all the channels we have, and then
(05:21):
maybe even more so social media and the most extreme
views are expressed where thirty five, forty years ago or
even twenty five years ago were not so expressed. And
then I think some of it started at least as
far as our consideration of judges, with the Democrats feeling
(05:45):
that George W. Bush stole the election in two thousand
and Schumern and a bunch of other people, including led
by Lawrence Tribe of Harvard, said, you know, we got
to start taking ideological points a view of nominees to
the Supreme Court or the courts generally into consideration. And
(06:05):
it's all right to do that. And for two hundred
years before that, nobody ever thought of that. You looked
at the qualifications of the judges and you chose them
based upon their qualifications and their independence and their temperament,
and I ideology didn't serve as a major goal. And
(06:29):
so that's so that's how we have become on at
least on judges, almost everyone. You got to have a
cloture vote before you get to final passage. And so
I think those things all added together has led to
the partisanship that we have. And it's bad, and I
(06:51):
don't think in my lifetime. I'm ninety years old. I
don't think in my lifetime it's going to change, but
I do think it's going to get back better as
time goes on.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I hope so.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And you had mentioned, you know, Judges, you're obviously the
chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. During Supreme Court Justice
Brett kavanaughs confirmation hearing, I could tell the way he
was being treated and the character assassination directed towards him
really bothered you. What do you think bothered you the
most about it? You know, is there anything you can
give us behind the scenes or kind of what was
(07:25):
going through your mind during all of that.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
When Democrats tried to shut down the Kavanaugh hearing, I think,
you know, you don't shut down a hearing. You can
shut down try to shut down an executive meeting of
the committee, but not a hearing. So they kept trying
to adjoin the hearing, and I decided to put up
(07:52):
with it and fight it, but not fight it by
gabling people down, but by letting talk and probably irritated
my Republicans more than I did the Democrats because they
thought I ought to shut them up right away, But
it takes longer to shut up people that are complaining
(08:13):
that it is to let them talk. So I instead
of a meeting, that first meeting getting over and by
two o'clock it got over I guess by five o'clock,
so we wasted three hours, but they didn't run over me.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You had mentioned that you were elected in nineteen eighty
eight to the Senate or nineteen eighty to the Senate.
Obviously you're in the House before then. That was during
the Reagan landslide against Jimmy Carter. Republicans had captured the
Senate for the first time since nineteen fifty four. A
lot of people are comparing Joe Biden to Jimmy Carter
and just the weakness of his numbers, the weakness of
(08:50):
the state of the country.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Do you see parallels.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Between what you saw then in nineteen eighty and what
is happening now in the country?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Heading in the twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, inflation, mostly higher interest rates was a big factor,
and I think it's related to that, But how it
affects the economy now this administration is trying to say, well,
(09:22):
interest rates have gone down from nine high of nine
to three. They forget it was one point four when
they took office, and what they want people to feel
good about, like inflation has gone, well, increase, inflation has gone,
But for a family of four in Iowa, I see
(09:44):
the figure close to seven thousand dollars a year. In
the case of big cities, for a family of four,
maybe ten thousand dollars a year. That Biden inflation is
branded into their their family budget for the rest of
their life. It's never going to go away. And that's
(10:08):
that's pretty important. And then you've got this Biden border
crisis is unlike anything we've seen before. It's unparalleled in
American history. And and and that's a major issue as well.
Now you want me, I guess I guess I just
(10:30):
mentioned immigration. That was not a problem in the Carter administration,
but it's surely a problem for this administration.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
We're going to take a commercial break more with Senator
Chuck Grassley. You know throughout the years, well, you know,
we just talked about what they did to Brett Kavanaugh.
They'd left it to Brett kavanon the character assassination, the
you know, false allegations that they waged against him. We're saying,
(11:00):
the government just become more weaponized against people. You know,
what they're doing to Donald Trump. I know you've been
investigating the anti Catholic memo that came from that Richmond
FBI field office. Has the government become more weaponized against Americans?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
And if so, why do you think that is?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Well, I don't know, because civil servants or even political appointees,
at least in the justice environment FBI should throw politics
to the side. But the way that they worked on
on Trump even before he was elected that he was
(11:41):
a Russian agent, the way they are using the courts
now to do it, they haven't put politics aside. And
I sure hope that we have a President Trump that
will not will forget this word about retribution. I think
(12:01):
maybe he has. I haven't heard him talk about it much.
But this president Trump has an opportunity to do what
Biden said he was going to do in the last
election and his inaugural bring people together. They've divided America
up into religious, secular people, black and white people. Hispanics
(12:28):
separate from Blacks and from Asians, and I don't know
how many different divisions we have. We're all Americans, and
I want candidate Trump, hopefully Trump presidency, to do what
(12:50):
Biden said he was going to do on inaugural day,
bring America together. But he's done just exactly the opposite,
and I think it has caused Americans to lose faith
in our institutions like the FBI. And I want to
(13:11):
give you an example of one person that I whistleblowers
helped me bring to the public's attention, t Bow, and
it's spelt in a French way. It's a good example
where we had whistleblowers say, you need to look at
this guy's what he's doing and what his social media says,
(13:37):
and we got proof that he was starting investigations against
Trump on lousy newspaper information. He was stopping investigations of
Hunter Biden when there was evidence they should proceed, and
(13:57):
he was in charge of starting and stop all these investigations.
And I pointed out to Ray, probably the only time
Ray ever did anything that I asked him to do,
but he fired the guy, or at least the guy's gone.
And then another one is this ten twenty three example
where I heard from whistleblowers and FBI and they brought
(14:22):
to me this ten twenty three It took me several
months to actually get my hands on it, but they
told me what was in it. And even before I
got my hands on it, I was trying to get information.
What are you doing about this information? No answers. And
then even after I made it public July of last year,
(14:43):
it was September twenty seventh before they started questioning this guy.
I think he's name Smearoff, and I never knew who
he was, didn't know he existed. I didn't say that
what was in the ten twenty three was truthful or
not truthful. I just wanted to know what the FBI
was doing. And we found out that this document was
(15:06):
existed since June twenty twenty and here twenty twenty three.
Almost the end of twenty twenty three, they started investigating it. Now,
if I hadn't made this ten to twenty three public,
this guy had been working for the FBI, paid a
(15:26):
couple hundred thousand dollars over a period of ten I
suppose now you'd say thirteen years, and he would still
be lying to the FBI, and he would still be
being paid by the taxpayers, and still maybe be an
agent for the Russians. I don't know for that for sure,
(15:47):
but those are some of the things that my oversight
has done to make sure the FBI does its job. Hopefully,
if they do their job, they're going to re establish
their credibil But that's why oversight is so important. The
checks and balance is a government that you learned in
eighth grade sevix and I'm going to keep it up.
(16:10):
But I want to know whether the FBI is earning
their money and or are they doing are they being political?
And I think they weren't investigating this guy because they
didn't want to. They didn't want to get in the
Hunter Biden situation, and my ten twenty three forced them
(16:33):
to get a person they had been paying for and trusting.
In fact, Ray testified to Congress that he was a
credible source of information, So even Ray didn't know what
was going on, that this guy was lying to him.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And I hope you get to the bottom of it
before we go. Senator.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I just wanted to get your take before you know,
Joe Biden was president, he was vice president, he was
in the Senate for quite a while. You served alongside him.
How much has he changed since you knew him as
a senator?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Only to this, Well, maybe he's changed a dozen ways,
but I can only testify to one. I worked very
closely with Biden as a member of the Judiciary Committee,
he was chairman of it. We worked on legislation together,
not a lot because he's a Democrat and I'm a Republican,
but we did work a lot on some things. And
(17:31):
I can say this, if he were president of the
United States the way he was a senator, working in
a bipartisan way as a senator, we wouldn't have this
country going left the way it's going.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
So he's changed a great deal.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yes, yes, he has changed a great deal.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Well, Senator Chuck Grassley, I know you've got a busy schedule.
It's such an honor to have you on the show, sir.
I'm such a fan of yours. I just think you're
such a measured and you seem like such a good man,
and I just really appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It's truly an honor.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I'll be glad to be with you again, Lisa, if
you want me, oh, I.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Would love that.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Thank you, Sirkay, goodbye. That was Senator Chuck Grassley. Appreciate
him making the time. Appreciate you guys at home for
listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout
the week. I also want to thank John Cassio, my producer,
for putting the show together.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Until next time.
There have been a lot of parallels made between the
nineteen eighty presidential election when Ronald Reagan defeated Jimmy Carter
on a landslide to where we are today in twenty
twenty four. So will Joe Biden go down and defeat
like Jimmy Carter did? And what parallels are there? We're
going to talk to a man who was elected to
the Senate in nineteen eighty and has been surveying ever since.
(00:20):
That man is Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa. He is
a legend in the Senate and I'm so honored to
have him on the show. I have so many questions
for him. But what we are going to talk to
him about is how is.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
He so liked?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We live in such a politically toxic world where everyone
hates each other, but somehow Conservatives love him, Moderates love him,
and even Democrats seem to love the guy.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
So how does he manage to do that?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
While so talked to him about that nineteen eighty election,
does he think Donald Trump is going to have the
same victory? And of course we're going to get his
take on his time as Chairman of the Senate Judiciary
Committee during that Supreme Court nomination of Justice on no
Justice Brett Cavanaugh. I could tell he was deeply troubled
during that process. So we'll talk to him a little
(01:03):
bit about that, and lastly about the weaponization of government.
Trust me, you're not going to want to miss this
interview with a legend of the Senate, just a legend
in life, Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa. Hi, Senator, It's
such an honor to have you on the show. You're
a legend. So I'm so excited about this.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I see you a lot of times on Fox News.
I once in a while I turn over to CNN
to find out what the enemy's saying, and Barbara Grassley
just shouts out, why do we want to watch CNN?
So I'm forced to watch Fox all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well, well, Fox is great. You know, I wouldn't want
to watch CNN either.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
My staff has been telling me that you said your
dad look for the Appropriations Committee. What was his name?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
My name was Jeff Booth and so he was a
staffer on the Appropriations Committee in nineteen eighty seven. I
think you were a minority ranking member of one of
the subcommittees.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, the one on military construction.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Something like that. But he has so much respect for you,
and as do I. But everyone does.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And that's the thing that you know, Democrats even seem
to like you, moderate seemed to like you, Conservatives seemed
to like you. How do you manage to do that
in today's politically toxic world.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Well, I think the I think the institution of the Senate,
with the requirement of a super majority to stop debate
before you get to finality on a bill, forces by partisanship.
And you know, people would think I was brag and
if I said I work in a biparson way, and
(02:49):
I say that two ways, one pretty difficult to prove.
But there isn't a senator I dislike, and if anybody
dislikes me, I don't want to know who their name is.
And secondly, I refer people to the Georgetown University website
to go on to click on to Senator Lueger's Center,
(03:13):
and once a year they give index of bipartisanship in
the United States Senate. And I've never worse off than
twelve out of one hundred, and sometimes I've been as
good as five out of one hundred. So I think
that centers shows that at least. The survey show that
(03:38):
I work in a by Parson away, and I think
that's how you get along with very liberal people and
very conservative people.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Have those relationships changed over the years. Is it more
challenging for people to get along now?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, And it comes from the change of all most
liberals being Democrat and except for two or three Republicans,
most of them conservative. You see, when I came to
the United States Senate in nineteen eighty one, there was
(04:15):
probably twenty percent of the Republican caucus. You had moderates,
a lot of people from New England as one example,
and Democrats had a few conservatives, mostly from the South end.
As you know, the South had a lot of conservative Democrats,
(04:37):
and so a lot of differences were worked out in
the United States Senate within our caucuses. So when you
went to the floor, things were kind of moderated. Now
you don't do that in your caucus, and that's more
difficult when you get to the floor, and so I
(04:59):
think that has led to partisanship. Then the other thing
is just the evolution of talk radio, the evolution of
TV TV with all the channels we have, and then
(05:21):
maybe even more so social media and the most extreme
views are expressed where thirty five, forty years ago or
even twenty five years ago were not so expressed. And
then I think some of it started at least as
far as our consideration of judges, with the Democrats feeling
(05:45):
that George W. Bush stole the election in two thousand
and Schumern and a bunch of other people, including led
by Lawrence Tribe of Harvard, said, you know, we got
to start taking ideological points a view of nominees to
the Supreme Court or the courts generally into consideration. And
(06:05):
it's all right to do that. And for two hundred
years before that, nobody ever thought of that. You looked
at the qualifications of the judges and you chose them
based upon their qualifications and their independence and their temperament,
and I ideology didn't serve as a major goal. And
(06:29):
so that's so that's how we have become on at
least on judges, almost everyone. You got to have a
cloture vote before you get to final passage. And so
I think those things all added together has led to
the partisanship that we have. And it's bad, and I
(06:51):
don't think in my lifetime. I'm ninety years old. I
don't think in my lifetime it's going to change, but
I do think it's going to get back better as
time goes on.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I hope so.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And you had mentioned, you know, Judges, you're obviously the
chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. During Supreme Court Justice
Brett kavanaughs confirmation hearing, I could tell the way he
was being treated and the character assassination directed towards him
really bothered you. What do you think bothered you the
most about it? You know, is there anything you can
give us behind the scenes or kind of what was
(07:25):
going through your mind during all of that.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
When Democrats tried to shut down the Kavanaugh hearing, I think,
you know, you don't shut down a hearing. You can
shut down try to shut down an executive meeting of
the committee, but not a hearing. So they kept trying
to adjoin the hearing, and I decided to put up
(07:52):
with it and fight it, but not fight it by
gabling people down, but by letting talk and probably irritated
my Republicans more than I did the Democrats because they
thought I ought to shut them up right away, But
it takes longer to shut up people that are complaining
(08:13):
that it is to let them talk. So I instead
of a meeting, that first meeting getting over and by
two o'clock it got over I guess by five o'clock,
so we wasted three hours, but they didn't run over me.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You had mentioned that you were elected in nineteen eighty
eight to the Senate or nineteen eighty to the Senate.
Obviously you're in the House before then. That was during
the Reagan landslide against Jimmy Carter. Republicans had captured the
Senate for the first time since nineteen fifty four. A
lot of people are comparing Joe Biden to Jimmy Carter
and just the weakness of his numbers, the weakness of
(08:50):
the state of the country.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Do you see parallels.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Between what you saw then in nineteen eighty and what
is happening now in the country?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Heading in the twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, inflation, mostly higher interest rates was a big factor,
and I think it's related to that, But how it
affects the economy now this administration is trying to say, well,
(09:22):
interest rates have gone down from nine high of nine
to three. They forget it was one point four when
they took office, and what they want people to feel
good about, like inflation has gone, well, increase, inflation has gone,
But for a family of four in Iowa, I see
(09:44):
the figure close to seven thousand dollars a year. In
the case of big cities, for a family of four,
maybe ten thousand dollars a year. That Biden inflation is
branded into their their family budget for the rest of
their life. It's never going to go away. And that's
(10:08):
that's pretty important. And then you've got this Biden border
crisis is unlike anything we've seen before. It's unparalleled in
American history. And and and that's a major issue as well.
Now you want me, I guess I guess I just
(10:30):
mentioned immigration. That was not a problem in the Carter administration,
but it's surely a problem for this administration.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
We're going to take a commercial break more with Senator
Chuck Grassley. You know throughout the years, well, you know,
we just talked about what they did to Brett Kavanaugh.
They'd left it to Brett kavanon the character assassination, the
you know, false allegations that they waged against him. We're saying,
(11:00):
the government just become more weaponized against people. You know,
what they're doing to Donald Trump. I know you've been
investigating the anti Catholic memo that came from that Richmond
FBI field office. Has the government become more weaponized against Americans?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
And if so, why do you think that is?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Well, I don't know, because civil servants or even political appointees,
at least in the justice environment FBI should throw politics
to the side. But the way that they worked on
on Trump even before he was elected that he was
(11:41):
a Russian agent, the way they are using the courts
now to do it, they haven't put politics aside. And
I sure hope that we have a President Trump that
will not will forget this word about retribution. I think
(12:01):
maybe he has. I haven't heard him talk about it much.
But this president Trump has an opportunity to do what
Biden said he was going to do in the last
election and his inaugural bring people together. They've divided America
up into religious, secular people, black and white people. Hispanics
(12:28):
separate from Blacks and from Asians, and I don't know
how many different divisions we have. We're all Americans, and
I want candidate Trump, hopefully Trump presidency, to do what
(12:50):
Biden said he was going to do on inaugural day,
bring America together. But he's done just exactly the opposite,
and I think it has caused Americans to lose faith
in our institutions like the FBI. And I want to
(13:11):
give you an example of one person that I whistleblowers
helped me bring to the public's attention, t Bow, and
it's spelt in a French way. It's a good example
where we had whistleblowers say, you need to look at
this guy's what he's doing and what his social media says,
(13:37):
and we got proof that he was starting investigations against
Trump on lousy newspaper information. He was stopping investigations of
Hunter Biden when there was evidence they should proceed, and
(13:57):
he was in charge of starting and stop all these investigations.
And I pointed out to Ray, probably the only time
Ray ever did anything that I asked him to do,
but he fired the guy, or at least the guy's gone.
And then another one is this ten twenty three example
where I heard from whistleblowers and FBI and they brought
(14:22):
to me this ten twenty three It took me several
months to actually get my hands on it, but they
told me what was in it. And even before I
got my hands on it, I was trying to get information.
What are you doing about this information? No answers. And
then even after I made it public July of last year,
(14:43):
it was September twenty seventh before they started questioning this guy.
I think he's name Smearoff, and I never knew who
he was, didn't know he existed. I didn't say that
what was in the ten twenty three was truthful or
not truthful. I just wanted to know what the FBI
was doing. And we found out that this document was
(15:06):
existed since June twenty twenty and here twenty twenty three.
Almost the end of twenty twenty three, they started investigating it. Now,
if I hadn't made this ten to twenty three public,
this guy had been working for the FBI, paid a
(15:26):
couple hundred thousand dollars over a period of ten I
suppose now you'd say thirteen years, and he would still
be lying to the FBI, and he would still be
being paid by the taxpayers, and still maybe be an
agent for the Russians. I don't know for that for sure,
(15:47):
but those are some of the things that my oversight
has done to make sure the FBI does its job. Hopefully,
if they do their job, they're going to re establish
their credibil But that's why oversight is so important. The
checks and balance is a government that you learned in
eighth grade sevix and I'm going to keep it up.
(16:10):
But I want to know whether the FBI is earning
their money and or are they doing are they being political?
And I think they weren't investigating this guy because they
didn't want to. They didn't want to get in the
Hunter Biden situation, and my ten twenty three forced them
(16:33):
to get a person they had been paying for and trusting.
In fact, Ray testified to Congress that he was a
credible source of information, So even Ray didn't know what
was going on, that this guy was lying to him.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And I hope you get to the bottom of it
before we go. Senator.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I just wanted to get your take before you know,
Joe Biden was president, he was vice president, he was
in the Senate for quite a while. You served alongside him.
How much has he changed since you knew him as
a senator?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Only to this, Well, maybe he's changed a dozen ways,
but I can only testify to one. I worked very
closely with Biden as a member of the Judiciary Committee,
he was chairman of it. We worked on legislation together,
not a lot because he's a Democrat and I'm a Republican,
but we did work a lot on some things. And
(17:31):
I can say this, if he were president of the
United States the way he was a senator, working in
a bipartisan way as a senator, we wouldn't have this
country going left the way it's going.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
So he's changed a great deal.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yes, yes, he has changed a great deal.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Well, Senator Chuck Grassley, I know you've got a busy schedule.
It's such an honor to have you on the show, sir.
I'm such a fan of yours. I just think you're
such a measured and you seem like such a good man,
and I just really appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It's truly an honor.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I'll be glad to be with you again, Lisa, if
you want me, oh, I.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Would love that.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Thank you, Sirkay, goodbye. That was Senator Chuck Grassley. Appreciate
him making the time. Appreciate you guys at home for
listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout
the week. I also want to thank John Cassio, my producer,
for putting the show together.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Until next time.
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